How would you have improved the movie?
It would have made more sense for Ken to stay in the real world after finding validation while Barbie goes back after helping America Ferrara with her problems. Making Ken into the villain was weird when Kens are second-class citizens in Barbieland and his grievances were mostly justified. They went out of their way to force the "men bad" angle and the story suffered for it
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Remove a bit of the cringey dialogue from the end, and yeah your idea about Ken staying in the real world is better, the ending felt a lot like they didn't know how to finish it, the rest of the film was very tightly written but that was very bloated and weird, Barbie's entire goal was just to return things to how they used to be so she could go back to being a happy stereotypical Barbie, her wanting to become human didn't get signposted at all before then.
>the rest of the film was very tightly written
All Kens beside the main Ken were so fruity
Any man standing next to The Goose would look gay in comparison
POST BELOW AND YOUR MOTHER WILL DIE PAINFULLY
>Barbie is bored with how stagnant Barbieland is like in the actual movie
>Generic fish out of water story
>Barbie and Ken discover nobody really cares about them anymore and event hated them
>They meet someone who was inspired by Barbie to better themselves
>Barbie and Ken realise their lives aren't worthless while they can at least inspire one person
>They go back to Barbieland and think of new games to play like being doctors or something generic
>Ends with kid buys Barbie doll and says something like "I want to be a doctor when I grow up" and someone mentions the Barbie tag "Be who you want to be"
I thought of that on the train thinking how you can make a feminist movie that isn't absolutely brain damaged moronic
I bet AI could probably make a better one
Wow it's generic but I could swallow that as someone who hates this garbage. Why can't they do this? Why WONT they do this is the better question.
Because it sounds fricking boring and predictivable lmao.
Just finished the movie and honestly I’m not sure what it was about
The (many, many) monologues seemed as often as not in complete contrast with the movies themes.
Nothing really happened or changed and then it ended.
America ferrara looks like a gaunt, harrowed, bug eyed goblin.
What the frick are the plastic surgeons doing back west?
I guess I wouldnt have made gosling cry quite so much and maybe treat his plight with a bit more sympathy.
I liked the ken musical number but honestly not much else
Have the Barbies and Kens find coming ground and work together.
Right but the real world is seen through the funhouse mirror of feminism.
And the Barbie world is some feminist revenge fantasy.
When you think they’re taking an objective or nuanced view, The Message snaps back and drags you back into jezebel pravda
>“you’re not doing patriarchy very well”
> 🙂
>”no we are but we hide it better”
> 🙁
You really are being beaten over the head with propaganda the whole time.
Pretty nasty bait and switch for normies.
I guess i knew what to expect but I couldn’t have guessed at the intensity from any of the promo materials
Yeah I was expecting an attempt to reframe Barbie as feminist, but I wasn't expecting something so outright hateful.
>How would you have improved the movie?
Tickle torture scene.
Seriously, did Dan Schneider and Quentin Tarantino direct this film or something? There was so much up close foot action
Remove the patriarchy or any talking point of identity politics, but keep the other shit like depression.
Remove sex jokes.
Change the ending to Barbie going back to normal like the first music, and finally going to a date with Ken by the end of the day. Simultaneously, the latina woman becomes happier and so her daughter.
This would have at least completed a character arc or two
if you swap the genders, the plight and fight of the kens is a reflection of the fight of feminists in the real world. they made the male characters the metaphor for feminism so the men who watch this movie would empathize with them, and thus empathize with feminism.
its 4d chess from gerwig
>if you swap the genders, the plight and fight of the kens is a reflection of the fight of feminists in the real world. they made the male characters the metaphor for feminism so the men who watch this movie would empathize with them, and thus empathize with feminism.
>its 4d chess from gerwig
this is actually pretty kino if true
its also true in the actual barbie line of toys, ken is just a vacant vessel that is treated like a sex object
I wonder if this is exactly what they were thinking. Men aren't supposed to like the ending and it's supposed to convince them to support feminism, even though feminism is what would give birth to the gynocentrists matriarchy seen in the movie. It would mean that once again, feminists are taking credit for the suffragettes' reasonable cause while in reality being rabid manhaters and conflating the two. Woman moment.
Repeal the 19th amendment.
Yeah, did people not get this? I thought it was really obvious that the Kens wanting an identity and a say in what's going on in Barbieland, was mirroring feminists and suffragettes.
>I thought it was really obvious that the Kens wanting an identity and a say in what's going on in Barbieland, was mirroring feminists and suffragettes.
If we're being honest with ourselves, that wouldn't exist in a female-run world.
what part of the world, the muslim one?
the west is gynocracy where common men are 2nd class
Please name 10 female presidents of major """western""" countries. I will also accept 5 female US presidents since the US is world hegemon.
most of the Europe been ruled by women for the past ~20 years, get your head out of your ass already
Awesome, so name 10 european women in the lead executive role of their nation please. Theres been so many that im sure you wont even need to google this.
Women have been the majority of voters in the US since the early 80s. If they wanted a woman President then they should have voted for one.
I’m not going to give that homosexual replying a (you) but when the world is organized around what women want and need, it doesn’t matter who the actual administrators are.
You could have them be men, women or robots. The result will be the same.
Usually moving out of your mothers basement gets you into 1st class territory
Still, in the end they are portrayed as evil because they are men and all Barbies destroyed the little male space they created by turning one against other.
Men never did that with female spaces, woman who are boring to death when they are together and need to sneek into male ones, and the patriarchy boogie MAN is their justfy to do that .
>Men don't give a shit about entering female spaces
>Women get mad that men aren't paying attention to THEM (they also get mad at men who do want to enter female spaces i.e troons)
>Women infiltrate male spaces
>Frick shit up with their whining and pink washing, and veganal comminism
>They won't stop until every male space is a female hugbox where nothing ever gets done
Women will literally not allow men to have their own interests.
Yes.
That being said, it's still bullshit. We're considering the effects of gender roles and feminism in a movie about fricking dress up dolls?
As long as the movie is technically good, and decently written, hey that's fine. But are we really expecting that a 2hr movie about a fricking toy can speak to any of this shit in a manner that doesn't impact the two things mentioned above?
falls flat because men and women face incredibly different challenges
>>its 4d chess from gerwig
But if the ending supports the return of the previous societal standard of Barbieland(that Kens fought against) wouldn't the message be, matriarchy bad, return to patriarchy?
How is that 4d chess?
The narrator literally says this for the braindead audience.
It doesn't make sense, though.
Male societies don't get co-opted by female societies overnight. All Barbie suggests is that female-led societies are a fantasy that don't stand up to real world interests.
I would have Sofia Coppola write and direct it. Grey Gerwig isn't very talented and she uses misandry as a crutch for her lack of talent. The ragebait is intentionally used to distract from the fact that she's not a good film maker. Very Tarantino-esque.
> Making Ken into the villain was weird when Kens are second-class citizens in Barbieland and his grievances were mostly justified.
Would have made the villains a third group, we'll call them Kennies, a bunch of average to unattractive looking guys who are invisible to Barbies but can interact with Kens.
A Kenny who wants to be a Ken and have a Barbie follows the main pair and gets the patriarchy idea after deciding women like it. From there it goes the same with the Kennies telling the Kens to take over Barbieland. It ends with the stronk feminist waman telling the Barbies how to get rid of the Kennies: threaten to cut off the Kens from fun time at the Dream House.
The Kens drive out the Kennies. The main Kenny decides he doesn't need a Barbie or to be a Ken. The other Kennies call him a coping loser and kick him out of the Kenny Ghetto.
Make a live action life in the dreamhouse.
All conflict comes from internal sources like Raquelle.
this is what it should have been, Barbies and Kens in absolute outlandish comedic gag situations revolving around being real toys
We got best girl(male) in the end
>Incel ken fricks a troony
Sick of these feminist harpies trying to get me to be a homosexual.
Ah yes, so pretty
Is that really a shemale?
If you unironically can't tell... actually no it probably means you weren't exposed to excessive amounts of transporn which is a good thing.
>I love being a decoration
>Is that really a shemale?
yes, she was in The Idol also
Yes
Why do trannies dress like prostitutes?
It's how they view womanhood as one of their HECKIN HENTAI / pornm
Nobody hates women more than troons
>What is a bikini?
They want to have sex (with you).
Are you actually confused why a young actress on social media would provocatively show off her ass or are you playing a secret little game?
But it's literally a man lmao
Lets accept that for a second, then they are a man who believes they are a young actress on instagram being received by an audience who also believes that. So the logic remains the same. Use your head.
Of course, because politicians in america are famously not only female but drawn in a democratic fashion according to popular will and not picked primarily by concentrations of capital by and large in the hands of men.
Overwhelming amounts of the movie are dedicated to glorifying the beauty of margot robbie and white blonde bimbos lmfao
I had the same question and got the answer from different trans people, they are not engaged to want to be a woman that much, what they really want is all the sexual part of being a woman, being a prostitute, dress like one talk like a bawd is everything that they want.
They dont want to be a gay bawd, they want to be recognized as a woman that is a bawd
shes a hot man dressed as a woman, and im man enough to admit it.
>I'm a gay homosexual gay boy and I like men.
What did anon mean by this?
im straight but I would frick and smooch her
>shes a hot man dressed as a woman
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
HE'S LITERALLY (YOU), YOU homosexualS!
Despite the fact that he’s obviously a man, his voice gave him away the most
I guess he literally is us, me, (you)
>troony with the incel chud face
Destroys the point of the scene using a failed man as the woman
I didn't watch it, but if I were the producers then Baz Luhrmann would be the director and I'd put out a casting call for hot young 18-21 year old models because acting really isn't important in a movie about plastic dolls. Goose and Margoo are way too old for this shit.
Acting is most definitly imprtant because the story involved is not one that can just be substituted with eye candy
Nix all narration segments
Truncate Ferrara's incredibly boring lecture
Throw Ken some kind of bone to conclude his arc, like frick- give him a horse at the end or some shit.
Literally remove every black/minority who actively were distractingly ugly, especially compared to beautiful Goose and Margo
Ken rapes Barbie with the Barbie song in the background
I'd have laughed so hard I farded shidded and pissed if they had a tongue-in-cheek sex scene where it looked like when you mashed Barbie and Ken's bodies together as a kid, like with their bodies all stiff and their arms pointed out at each other
wheres that webm? I wanna see, also how come barbie isnt on pirate streaming sites yet
>wheres that webm?
Of the thing I just imagined?
they should have put that in the movie
The audience is asked (forced) to clap for 90 minutes as Barbie and Ken kidnap, torture and kill an incel while making fun of his tiny (white) penis and then Barbie runs away with a handsome israelite and literally smash the patriarchy (an object) to shards with an object of its historic dominance over women (a broom)
Just remove the diatribe and have ken and the other ken be friends who run a ranch
If this movie was truly subversive there would be a scene where ken rejects barbie and another scene where barbie is fine with it. Instead it's Barbie gives ken a pity deprogramming and sets him loose
The movie was always going to pander to big feminism so the rest was inevitable
>helping America Ferrara
Is it my coomer brain or that sounds like a pornstar name?
>Barbie Land is supposed to be the opposite of the real world
>Women have all the power and influence, men are just eye candy
>Ken takes over
>Barbies lose their shit and turn them against each other
>They regain control
>"Hey Barbie, can we have a Ken on the Supreme Court?"
>"Haha noooooo"
>ALL IS GREAT NOW THAT THINGS ARE BACK TO NORMAL, WHAT A HAPPY END 🙂
The message of the film is literally "don't give women any more power in the real world, the Ken's proved in Barbie land it will just frick everything up"
Right this is what I mean by thematic incongruity
If we take Barbie world to be a “what if” showing the supposed reverse of the real worlds gender balance of power, wouldn’t it follow that allowing women to gain more power will result in a mess like the kens made?
Also, does the movie celebrate Barbies tricking the kens into not voting so they can consolidate power.
There seem to be some half bake themes there but gerwig isn’t really smart enough to draw the narrative to its conclusion while allowing the metaphors to remain consistent.
Why are the kens all so needy? If we follow the “this is the reverse of our world” does that mean that women are needy here?
Ah frick it. I’m overthinking this piece of shit movie.
Oppenheimer was much better and the ending more satisfactory.
I agree this was a bit of a fault on storytelling part. But it's supposed to in a way be a mirror to the suffrage movement. Women when they finally gained the right to vote and work etc. Weren't immediately thrust in to high positions of power. They still had to rise up in to these positions and prove to themselves and others they were capable of doing the job itself. The Ken's receive this choice to begin the movement towards equality similar to the real world just flipped.
Knowing what we do now as a people (it might not seem like it but the average person is much more informed on things given the age of the internet, information flows exponentially faster than any other point in history). It obviously would make more sense to jump start them in to positions of representation for the rest of the Kens. As much as we are on Cinemaphile hahaha we hate women XD. Women themselves are individual humans. Just like us. We all have individual wants, needs. Mankind, man and woman, should have the unalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
> Women themselves are individual humans. Just like us. We all have individual wants, needs. Mankind, man and woman, should have the unalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Women should get a sword up their c**ts. Women are demons and destroy everything they touch
Wow I wonder why this movie actually hits a chord for women... huh.
Men's grievances are never justified of a women doesnt agree
A karate gi
just dont film it
its ugly kitch
its divisive feminists shit
I'll tell you guys the correct opinion tomorrow. Going out to eat tonight.
Barbie realizes she loves Ken and they see a little girl playing with a baby doll and Barbie tells Ken she wants to have a baby
The end
I would have cut the embarrassing lecture at the end of that women just complaining.
I just feel bad for any boys that got dragged to this thing by their parents. Imagine being 10 and watching this shit. Would've fricked me up.
My parents never took me to anything but why would it have fricked you up? Seeing something horrible as a kid just turns you off it for the rest of your life. I saw some Horror movies when I was a kid and now I hate the genre. If a kid watches Barbie and becomes a homosexual then it was always going to happen.
Nah it's not the homosexualry that would have bothered me. Probably wouldn't have been a fan of the aesthetic either way, but the main issue is just how mean spirited it seems to be towards men.
>the main issue is just how mean spirited it seems to be towards men.
If that's true then just don't watch. I think Margot's ugly ass alone is reason not to watch so I don't even need a second reason. I've seen like 1,000 Barbie threads and that makes me want to watch less too. I hope they do it for every new movie and then it'll be a reminder to never watch anything ever again.
For example: There were like 10,000 Avatar 2 threads and I never watched it. I'm one of the only Cinemaphileners left and you can't trick me into doing anything. If you try then I'll remember and I'll avoid it to spite you.
>Just don't watch it.
I was specifically talking about children being taken by their parents to watch it anon. They don't exactly get a real choice in the matter.
I thought of a slightly altered scenario.
>The movie stays the same until Barbie and Ken leave to the real world.
>It turns out the stereotypical Barbie and Ken are being used by a couple in a rocky marriage in counselling as communication tools which is influencing both the dolls.
>Barbie uses the memories to find the wife while Ken bumps into the husband randomly while exploring.
>The husband feels disenfranchised and emasculated and the wife feels neglected and unappreciated. Both have valid points but are unable to meet in the middle to truly understand each other.
>The husband speaks to Ken and urges him to return to Barbieland and take it over to install the same type of patriarchy we saw. It's lacking nuance and a power fantasy as it's what the husband feels he is missing.
>Barbie and the wife return and decide to return to 'fix' everything.
>Barbie and the wife still kidnap everyone but the wife tells everyone about her experience and how bad men and her husband can be which is why they should fight the patriarchy. She's not being completely realistic and lacking understanding of what it's like for men but it's from her point of view.
>The Barbies and Ken's end up at war but main Barbie and Ken talk and realise they both want different things and come to a friendly understanding of each other.
>They pass this on to all the other Barbies and Kens and the husband and wife who are finally actually able to communicate and understand each other.
>Barbie leaves with the couple to the real world and Ken stays in a more balanced Barbie world.
>the barbie movie needs to pander me!
The joke tell itself at this point
If the movie doesn't pander to me then why would I watch? Explain that. Here's a joke for you: I'm going to filter every Barbie thread I see for the rest of my life. Let's hope someone thinks I'm kidding.
They should have let a gay direct it. Women can't into camp.
>Barbie by John Waters
The elites wouldn't allow kino of such degree
We only get onions green in motion picture form now
kinda weird to make all this commentary on men vs women when the people who wrote this think men can be women and vice versa if they just say so
>Kens are second-class citizens in Barbieland and his grievances were mostly justified
This is literally a parallel of feminism. Women were/are considered second-class citizens compared to men. I will never cease to be surprised how such simple allegory can fly over Cinemaphile's heads.
Women get more special treatment now than at any other point in history. They have no right to complain.
>imagining that women will ever stop complaining under any circumstances
lmao
the reality is women are treated as 1st class citizens with extra unearned privilege. Then femnazis like you lie and claim they are oppressed.
We all get the parallels anon. The problem is that the movie is fricking stupid.
It's an allegory that doesn't work because men and women are, in fact, real. Men and Women have different goals and face different challenges to reach them.
>men's goals come first. Women should be in support roles so that men can achieve THEIR goals.
You've taken a gander at human history.... right anon?
tell me who is forced to do all the dangerous menial labour in society? who refuses to do it?
Tell me, who (on average) earns much more than the other party?
Young women earn more than young men today. Dangerous jobs often pay more than non-dangerous jobs due to supply/demand. When you account for job type, age, experience, and hours worked, then the "pay gap" disappears.
>Women were/are considered second-class citizens compared to men
>women control 84% of all consumer spending while they pay almost no taxes in comparison
>so oppressed
Behead leftoids, evict their corpses.
>This is literally a parallel of feminism. Women were/are considered second-class citizens compared to men.
It doesn't work because the concept of citizenship is an invention of men.
The movie fell off once they returned to Barbieland. America's rant that ended up being the "cure" to the "brainwashed" Barbies was cringe and basically irrelevant today.
Everything they accused the patriarchy of was happening in real time in Barbieland but against the Kens. A better ending would have been realizing men and women compliment each other and that Barbieland will become the idealized version of a world where they live together in happiness. But because Greta is a feminist she naturally hates the idea of men and so all of the petty, subversive tactics to ruin the Kens is seen as moral and justified even though the Kendom was objectively a more cohesive and egalitarian society than before.
Also, Barbie doing a total 180 in the end and wanting to be "real" was stupid and a poor attempt at some deeper meaning in the movie.
Overall, cut the final 25% and instead have everything go back to normal but with Kens being liberated and going to the real world and Mattel playing off that.
Ken now lives in matriarchy Barbie world where he now has the opportunities to work up to the point of being considered an equal to the Barbies. And Barbie herself goes in to a world that actually allows her to decide who she is by facing the consequence of an end. She is no longer, Barbie the doctor, the construction worker, the police woman. She is who she is. And decide that for herself. Pretty good outcomes for both characters.
a movie that promotes gender equality ends with one gender not equal and you think this is a good outcome?
Feminism isn't gender equality
>he still hasn't figured out that matriarch Barbie world is not good. But an allegory for the trials that women had to go through in a man's world
>How would you have improved the movie?
Probably by not making it anti-white and anti-male propaganda.
Havent' seen it, but would it have been more interesting if all Kens and all Barbies were played by Ryan Gosling and Margot Robbie?
>Havent' seen it, but would it have been more interesting if all Kens and all Barbies were played by Ryan Gosling
ftfy
>How would you have improved the movie?
Remove all meta aspects and come up with an actual story instead. There'd be no real world and Barbieland it'd just be a conventional narrative that takes place in Barbie's universe.
Them homies gay asf fr fr
>Barbie has a self realization that she treated Ken like shit
>LOL DOESN'T MATTER BACK TO THE BEACH BOY
>How would you have improved the movie?
by not making a movie about Barbie
All asian casting