How would you improve Sun-Spider?
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How would you improve Sun-Spider?
How would you improve Sun-Spider?
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Have her be the Shilouette of world-623-whatever
Remove it
actually just delete Spider-Man and all his spinoffs at this point, there's nothing worth saving
You're right. Spider-Man was my favorite comic growing up. It's time to let it go. Let other people co-op it and do what they want. There's nothing we can do about it. You're better off just accepting it and finding something else. Or, creating something yourself.
nah thats moronic as well
Le this. Le just destroy le everything. Le everything is le shit.
kill her
make her be a bisestual instead of a lesbane and give her a big dumper
i liked her joke in the movie.
frick it, i am no hater anymore.
Make her like Polnareff from Part 5's videogame
cool as this sounds, i think part of the appeal of p5 polnareff in general (not just in the game) is that you already know who polnareff is from p3 so you know fully well how badass he was there and how much it hurts to see him in this position, while also commending him for putting up a good fight despite his limitations. yeah, it'd be cool, but i don't think it'd really be as impactful, even if you're just talking about gameplay (+ players still probably got the same impact since hftf exists and his theme in giogio is even a remix of his theme in hftf)
So just turn her into a Jojo character?
Sounds nice
I was referring to make her go thru her own personnal race from pretending to be strong while berating everyone else to coming to terms with her disaliblity and stop calling evryone who offers a help an ableist.
That works too.
Left her disabled if you want but don't have her going ''Iam beautiful the way I am'' and then b***hing about how she can't do things like regular people do every page.
This, have characters work around their limitations instaed on just existing to be "Empowering".
wheelchair turns into spider-legs
sounds like a fun idea, but I can't deal with the "2-cool-4-sckool" hat that's lame 20 years ago.
Oh frick I just posted a similar idea
yeah? I wanna see.
looks kind of interesting but kind of underwhelming.
damn now i can't just push her out of her chair
https://www.tiktok.com/@buriedsocks/video/7240955636232539438
happens in the movie, but doesn't look as cool as I imagined.
Turn her into Johnny Joestar.
>that pose
Hold up can she actually move her legs?
Yes but it hurts
Presumably she got the full package of spider-totem powers if she can swing from webs, right? Including the porportional strength of a spider? If those legs can move, she can fricking walk.
It should be a running joke that she can walk now but has to pretend she can't as to not raise suspicion and revel her civilian identity.
Weaknesses
Fatigue: Because of E.D.S. Charlie gets exhausted after spending too much time as Sun-Spider.
Imagine her collapsing after a fight and Peter needing to carry her home
I still question how she was one of the last spiders standing in End of the Spider-Verse. If her near crippled ass can survive, there’s no excuse for the others
I still remember laughing my ass off at the thought of being the artist on that first panel of her swinging and having to decide to either make it look normal and imply that her legs work fine now and she's pretending to still be disabled or draw her legs fricking flailing around in the wind as she swings.
I understand the concept of spider-sonas and shit but the idea of a crippled Spider-Man is just a farce
just break peni parkers legs so she can't leave the mech. job done
Quite common. She has limited use of them. Not enough for full mobility without crutches or a wheelchair.
>Quite common
Sure, among people who don't have spider-totem powers. That'd be like remaining crippled after a shot of super soldier serum, it just doesn't add up.
Anon, it's comics. No-prize this shit. Superheroes who have a glaring weakness they overcome (Daredevil, for example) work pretty well.
She got bit by a radioactive Spider, it gave her superstrength, agility, speed, spider-sense, reflexes, the whole nine yards, but her legs are still fricked up. Roll with it.
>Roll with it.
No thanks, I think I'll leave the rolling to her.
How do you get a radioactive spider bite that rewrites your DNA to give you superstrength and agility, but only above your waist? You wouldn't even need the rest of the powerset, those two alone would make her capable of running like an olympian, let alone walk again.
I'll roll with it when the idea isn't garbage from its very inception.
Her legs are fricked up by nerve damage. She's got superstrength, it didn't repair the nerve damage.
It's all nonsense science anon, for pity's sake. "A radioactive spider-bite rewrote her DNA? Yeah, that sounds fine. BUT SO HELP ME, IF IT DIDN'T CURE EVERYTHING WRONG WITH HER FROM BEFORE THE BITE..."
>She's got superstrength, it didn't repair the nerve damage.
So spider-powers don't come with a healing factor anymore now?
Thing is, if she can swing her entire body weight on one arm, she can fricking walk now. This condition isn't localized to her legs, it's just what takes the most weight moving around for normal people. Meanwhile she's pulling Gs propelling herself off buildings.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees that. Thank you Wesley.
>Roll with it.
Kill her and EVERY SINGLE SPIDER-MAN VARIANT that isn't Peter Parker.
Reboot current Peter Parker Spider-Man with Bengus CAPCOM version
Imagine the kino
>The simple, but effective design
>The masculine voice
>The playful banter
>Maximum Spider being stolen by every speedster/ninja character as their ultimate attack
If someone could copy Bengus artstyle and give us a comic run drawn in his style, it could be the best iteration of Spider-Man
>no mvc spider-man in the chase sequence that goes ham on miles with his maximum spider
i miss when Spider-man was a fricking badass. Modern Spidey is such a mope.
>Punisher kills the spider-verse
I'd buy it
Personally I’d make her a classmate of Peter in college. The two snark at each other a bit and work on a few projects together and eventually she gets powers and starts helping out
Easy. Make Charlie a miserable person who fell into deep despair and anger following a diagnosis that slowly stole the ability to walk. She pushes away potential friends and rejects kindness, conflating it with pity. Charlie sits at the window envying runners or joggers or people simply taking a stroll, something she once took for granted. She wishes she could be "normal" again. That people wouldn't see her as a freak, someone to be pitied, or "helped" just to make a show out of it for social standing. She hates feeling helpless, and hates that she can't even help the people she loves.
Then, a spider crawls down...
Charlie wakes up the next night and discovers that she can walk again. But it's a temporary thing, only capable of about four hours of walking a day. Charlie once again is screwed, limited by her body as she struggles to balance her civilian and cape identities, hide her superheroics from her family, and decide whether to pursue a career as a runner (and sacrifice the innocent as a result) or be a hero (and give up her dream of being in the Olympics).
We can't have that because that would imply a disability actually hinders you and isn't just a life style.
Alyster Smythe had a cooler wheelchair.
I really liked him in the cartoon... then again I also really liked Kingpin as the archenemy that Pete can't just punch and throw to cops. The man behind the crime, but not doing anything Pete can prove.
Whatever happened to the gay spiderman with the b***hing cool outfit?
No Iron Man or Mr. Fantastic to give her some working legs? What the frick.
It's weird right? You have Otto offering help to her but no Tony or Reed or any other scientist offering help to a hero who sings around carrying a wheelchair?
A bigger ass
Delete her. On top of her insufferable personality, she shouldn't even exist as she does. Stupid disability shit never works in these crazy shared universes where people are building time machines as a hobby. You can't pretend she can't be cured and properly shit on her for refusing because it's her identity or some bullshit.
>You can't pretend she can't be cured and properly shit on her for refusing because it's her identity or some bullshit.
You can't even do that with muties anymore.
Less busy costume, something to do with light, staying in the spider leg chair, being creative with webs like they're tripwires clueing her in on advances
I thought this character was a joke from /here/
Nope.
Also, if I recall correctly, "Sun Spider" was an entry during a Marvel contest for "fan Spider characters" and this was one of the top 3 winning entries.
When people looked into it, however (get ready for a big no-surprise), the person who submitted the concept is literally named Charlie and looks exactly like the self-insert character they created, except, you know, not disabled at all. The whole disability thing was just a way to weasel her self-insert into the winning picks through pity/diversity, and it worked.
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I might be mis-remembering it, but I do recall the overall reaction of disgust from Cinemaphile upon realizing the backstory.
Sun Spider in 3 pages.
>being me is so hard, it's like I'm invisible and looked down on
>you want to help me? how dare you, I'm strong and independent
>I like you and even made legs for you
>FRICKING INCEL CHUD I AM ALREADY PERFECT
People take pride in their disability when they don't have options. Any wheelchair bound person would accept walking again
Not only is she refusing easy solutions to her situation, she's demanding the world cater to her "needs". It's mental illness.
Credits page.
See a competent way to write this is to pull from Babs/Oracle and say that she doesn't want special treatment if she's the only one getting the cure, that and just framing this dialogue better of spurring Otto because she knows he's nuts
>"Why? So you can puppet me on where to go? How to live?"
Oh, bonus page.
>boohoo, no one cares about me or wants to help me
Did a schizo write this? You can't have it both ways!
I think we're all missing the point in that she's cute and I bet sucks a mean wiener. I for one DID think about her. So there.
>ugh nobody cares about me
>ugh the spider verse cares about me again?
Did you skipped a lot of pages between these two pages?
Two pages only. A shitty fight anohjesus I missed that panel. Ok, other two pages because may as well.
Her web crutches are sitting right there in her wheelchair as well.
Just frick off
That could have killed him, and she was cooler in the movie with the spider leg wheelchair
How can she move her legs?
bro come on
any low life thug could throw the b***h off the chair and do unspeakable thing to her
would you accept body parts from a known super villain?
spiders kind of infamously have more legs than a person anon
Yeah. Could you imagine what would happen if she said yes?
At best Ock is just doing surgery on her. At worst she’s becoming a living puppet, getting brainwashed through the implant, or facing potential cyberpsychosis
So can she walk? Or does she have that thing where her legs are shit but are still good but not good enough to walk.
I'm assuming its a muscle degenerative disease where she can stand/walk with the aid of crutches but it can be exhausting. Kind of like Freddy from Shazam, only worse
ELS fricks up your joints among other things. She can move her legs but thanks to the joints, putting weight on them she's just crumple as they dislocate. Of course they don't explain any of this because it would take time away from preaching about how empowered she is.
Oh isn't that the condition where the cartilidge in your joints is nonexistent and basically too loose?
No it's that the connective tissue just stretches waaay too far. Like having an old rubberband holding your bones together.
The latter. She can walk but requires crutches when she does and can’t do it for long periods of time hence the wheelchair
Oh, don't worry about the logic or details, it's just nonsense.
The fan-creator chose Ehlers-Danlos syndrome (E.D.S) for Sun-Spider's diversity bonus, without realizing how stupid of a choice that was.
EDS is characterized by joint hypermobility (as in - your knees/elbows can bend completely in both the right and wrong directions); soft, elastic skin that bruises easily; chronic bone or muscle pain; and in some cases - even muscle weakness, delayed development, and weakened blood vessels and organs. The average life expectancy of someone with EDS is about 48 years.
The creator just saw those first parts about joints/ligaments being hyper-flexible, but being in constant dull pain, and was like "WOAH IT'S LIKE IT'S OWN SUPER-POWER ALREADY HOW COOL"
Meanwhile, despite having joints and muscles so weak that a child could out-wrestle her, she can apparently block Doc Oc's hyper-strong robotic arms single-handedly, as seen here
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I can't fuking take this seriously. Like you go around with your wheelchair tied to your back and then you go with the same wheelchair to class and prom night. How fricking moronic is this girl and the world she inhabits?
It's the special ed universe give em a break
given the sideways hat has no real context, i'm forced to believe it is otherwise a fly 90s universe
>How would you improve Sun-Spider?
Make her a cautionary tale that no, not everyone can be Spider-Man.
Would probably be kino
>Sun-Spider gives hours-long chase to Goblin-variant on a glider, all across city, snarking at him as she finally gains, exhaustion creeping up on her
>Goblin glider cuts her webs just as she's swinging over a train track
>Falls onto tracks in front of a tunnel, legs crumpling beneath her
>Web-crutches land too far to reach, one not even in sight
>Exhausted from the chase, spider-strength can't even get her on her knees
>Snarks become outright cusses as Goblin circles around, taunting her
>Spider sense starts tingling
>Tracks begin vibrating
>Sound of distant train horn
>Goblin taunts intensify
>Spider-defiance starts eroding into Spider-panic
>Trying to ignore Goblin and focus on survival, gives herself desperate pep-talks
>Crawling toward remaining web-crutch with arms alone, nearly reaches it
>Goblin swoops in and grabs it
>Much cussing, not even directed at Goblin anymore
>Tracks rumbling
>Light starts approaching
>Significantly louder train horn
>Goblin taunts barely audible over rumbling and horn now
>Sun-Spider, in a sweating panic, desperately tries to tear the wheelchair off her back, rip the webs off, and climb into it, ignoring Goblin entirely
>Rumbling and horn deafening
>Spider finally clambers into chair
>Light blinding
>Wheels too gummed-up with trace amounts of webbing to roll
>Spider-scream
>Goblin's final taunt goes completely unheard over the sound of aluminum and wet bone getting smashed and mangled under the train
>Goblin actually feels a little guilty, doesn't even wait until the train is gone to confirm the kill, just turns and glides away before he has to acknowledge/witness the grisly aftermath
>Keeps web-crutch as a trophy anyways
>However, as the sun rises and emergency crews reach the scene, they find...
>A fricking horror show, there was no cinematic last-second escape
>Narrative blurb talks about trying to play hero as the final panel focuses on the remaining web-crutch that fell away from the tracks
Angry anti-heroine who kills enemies the first time she runs into them so they can't meet her a second time and take advantage of her disability.
I fricking hate characters Like sunspider. Always this stupid bullshit about how they're disability is so important. Frick the x men movies for their anti cure bullshit and frick Sunnie.
Make her villains crippled too
Make spider Nazi
Make it as nasty as possible
Make spider Nazi kill israelites and black people and gays and children and old people
Spider Nazi belongs to me
Always
If anyone gets close to spider Nazi they get cancelled by other people
It's impossible to get co opted
Spider-Man is the new Homestuck with all these fricking 'Spider-Sonas" I keep seeing people post.
I have 8een summoned.
WE should do own Spidersona since everybody have one now. And since this b***h made it into canon we should thread our Spidersonas as canon as well.
I suggest "Spiderman" (no hyphen).
His diversity quota feature is autism, but not like quirky Hollywood autism - instead, more like real, severe, low-functioning autism that makes him almost impossible to work with.
>Will constantly try to correct people on the pronunciation of his spider-name - apparently it is pronounced differently from "Spider-Man", but in such a minute way that only he can tell if you've pronounced it right (you haven't)
>He WILL get distracted in the middle of literally anything to correct people on the pronunciation
>If nobody listens to him or agrees with him (on anything, not just his name) he will go into a foetal position and begin comfort-rocking, he cannot be hurt, damaged, moved, or reasoned with in this form, until he naturally calms down with his favorite Kidz Bop song
>He made his own costume with the help of his aunt May (she doesn't know he's a super... uh, hero, for the most part) - it doesn't quite fit properly, it's made of flannel (for comfort, on his insistence), and it is covered in various blood/food stains. He will go into "spider-comfort-rocking-mode" if anyone even suggests washing it
>He isn't as coordinated at web-swinging, but his 'tard speed is MAXIMUM, he can outrun the fastest cop cars and smash straight through walls without even noticing
>On top of speed, his 'tard strength is also off-the-charts, because unlike other Spider-Men, he doesn't just choose not to hold back, he literally can't hold back, often going into such an autistic fury beat-down on his opponents (and occasionally allies) that he cannot be stopped until the siren song of Kidz Bop distracts him
>Regularly and often attempts snarky quips, but they always end up cringey - he is relentlessly proud of his wordplay
>>He made his own costume with the help of his aunt May (she doesn't know he's a super... uh, hero, for the most part) - it doesn't quite fit properly, it's made of flannel (for comfort, on his insistence), and it is covered in various blood/food stains. He will go into "spider-comfort-rocking-mode" if anyone even suggests washing it
Kek
Sounds like in-practice he'd be a weaker, stranger Hulk.
Who are his rogue gallery?
And he's looking for a boyfriend free female side kick
We already have one
Who this?
Honey-Bee. Cinemaphile‘s reverse Spider-Man
>sun spiderman
>is not a chad Spider-Aztec or incan who sees the sun as his god
fricking gays
What a missed opportunity, I'm sure it could be memed into being real once the current sun spider is forgotten.
She needs an archnemesis.
Ah yes, Sun Spider’s true arch nemesis, the Stare. A wasp themed villainess with hypnotic abilities expressed through her eyes
I know people hate this, but dammit, I think it's neat. So much so I think it's a shame it's a Spider-tie-in. "I have some use of my legs, but not enough to walk around normally. Then I got superpowers that made me so superhumanly strong, agile, and fast - along with some other bullshit like webs and a spider-sense - that even with my disability I'm able fight crime.
That's workable!
Yeah, I honestly really like the concept. And as I mentioned I think that all of her villains should exist at some kind of peak of humanity to emphasize how she must use guile to defeat them. Like Rhino at the peak of strength, or a Goblin at the peak of intelligence
Also I was gonna say Kraven as a villain but knowing his character I think he would be more impressed with her overcoming her disability and might actually offer to train her rather than seeing her as prey
Damn, that actually seems badass. I could see him going full "Russian Ballet Teacher" on her ass, making her do the same move over and over and over again until he's satisfied, shouting "AGAIN!" every time she finishes... or stumbles, or misses the mark.
Indeed. I could also see a scene where he acknowledges Charlotte’s physical weakness, and makes her wear a blindfold while avoiding his strikes. Training her to rely upon her spider sense more than her eyes until her reflexes intertwine with the sense.
Also one thing I’ve wondered about in some of these aus is how Peter is doing. Some people seem to always forget that in most old what ifs he still becomes a hero even without powers (except in Gwen’s verse) so I could see Ricochet maybe being another hero who sometimes helps Charlie with tech support
Fix all her handicaps.
She cuts off her crippled legs and affixes spider mecha legs to her bottom torso with a mecha spider ass that shoors web
Scrap her. It’s a dumb idea.
why are there so many spider-people now?
Spider-Man is the Everyman but nobody wants to experience Parker luck. As such, people have developed a fantasy about somehow joining the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man as a helping hand in his patrols
Essentially people want to be part of a community that’s making a difference in the world, and in the world of fiction, Peter Parker stands out as a good community leader to rally around
So all the random spider characters are just self insert fantasies? I mean that makes sense considering every spider-man story for the last 10 years has been shit. I can't blame them though, I guess I enjoyed self inserting as Peter Parker too when in school, and since I lived an extremely mundane life I didn't really mind all the tragedy in his story.
>So all the random spider characters are just self insert fantasies?
Was that not obvious? That's really just carrying on Pete's legacy as the original self insert for kids who didn't want to be relegated to sidekicks back in the days.
>Was that not obvious?
I've tried reading some alternate spider-man stories just not that many, besides if I was a writer with any shred of dignity I'd go out of my way to avoid making my characters self inserts, even if I was still drawing from my own experiences.
Yeah. It’s kinda like I don’t think anyone actually wants to replace or be the only Spider-Man. Even at conventions, spiders are usually in large groups
People just don’t want to feel left out and also kind of want to help out Peter Parker.
Trust me, my sister has gone on and on about how sad some of Peter’s stories are and how he and MJ should stay together because they’re the perfect couple. Based on that and other accounts, I think these spidersonas are born from an idea of “if I was there I would’ve helped him”
It's the new sonic persona
Just from the drawing alone you can tell the artist is a very obnoxious person.
How do we approve of it?
Remove her being a cripple, give her a aztec theme, give her dark skin, maker her buff and have a mid ri- Oh frick my dick is hard now.
Why remove the disability? What if she wore power armor like a slimmer Samus and only took it off in front of those she trusted. Revealing the vulnerable girl underneath
True anon, BUT imma be blunt with you, I just want dark skinned muscle woman.
Fair enough. It probably won’t be long before we get one of those.
Personally I just like Sun Spider in the chair because I think she has the potential to reach that sweet spot between creepy and snarky. Skittering around on mechanical legs, and possibly with mechanical claws attached to the crutches which make them look a bit like pic related
>six legged “wheel”chair
>cover replicating the Spider-Woman crawl with actual spider physiology
FUND IT
I have muscular dystrophy and this character kind of pisses me off
The Courageous Crippled Crawler
Since Sun Spider is a gay, what kind of girls do you think she likes
She's a comicbook redhead so brunettes or ugly fat black women
she likes aster, the black lady with the nametag
Killing xer off a cripple can't be a spider-person
poop on them I guess.
Imagine how fricked it would be if you got superpowers and went the hero route and it removes your handicapped status. If you want to maintain your secret identity, you have to pretend to be handicapped, because there is no real other explanation for it.
not really, you could just call some scientist buddy and cook up a story between you
Well, if it like's the Marvel or DC universe where crazy science shit like that is semi normal, then yeah, I guess it would solve it. I was imagining the scenario happening in this world, where people don't usually just spontaneously stop being handicapped.
oh i see. well, there are certainly worse problems to have i suppose.