How would you improve the dragon ball story?
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How would you improve the dragon ball story?
How would you improve the dragon ball story?
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I would get rid of Senzu beans and use something other than Saiyan arrogance and stupidity to carry on a fight or arc.
Humans and Piccolo learn kaio ken and remain useful
Make Goku marry Bulma.
Make me marry 18.
More Kale
get rid of dragon balls and the afterlife
more great sayaman
Give everyone the ability to improve, maybe yes Saiyan's have the warrior gene and getting close to death boosts their power, but humans have a similar way to surpass their limits. Toryama gave it to Namekians, even though it's pretty fricked up, but if you're going to do a series with ever increasing stakes and power, there shouldn't be this insurmountable gap where no matter what no human will ever beat a Saiyan. Scale everyone up in their own unique ways, but keep them relevant.
No more power creep after the saiyan saga, just normal progression. If transformations are actually needed, make it have a meaningful downside that comes along with it. Keep the side characters more relevant (easier with more flat power curve anyway), like fusion that can't be reversed (at least not easily).
Kaioken is good in theory, it's just never shown to have a real downside.
Goku beating Freiza after he kills krillin just because he goes berserk and stops fighting like his honorable self would have been just as good if not better than triggering a transformation that just lets him obliterate Frieza.
>Kaioken is good in theory, it's just never shown to have a real downside.
It had a downside in the saiyan saga
Can you remind me?
I know there was always the vague idea that it puts stress on your body, and not to go over x10 or whatever, but he does all the time, and goku just never seems to suffer consequences?
Or did he run out of energy because of it and that's why gohan needed to fall on vegeta?
It ravaged his body in that fight which left him completely defenseless to great ape Vegeta. Muscle spasms and shit, although he got the better of Vegeta with the kaio ken it left him completely defenseless from pushing his body too far.
The fact the humans and Piccolo didn't learn it from king kai is such a missed opportunity. Especially Piccolo with his demon background
Goku had lost after the beam struggle. He was drained and Vegeta could have won. But Vegeta didn't know that and wasted a bunch of energy creating a moon, which became moot when his tail was cut off. By that point Gohan and Krillin could hold their own. Remember that the whole fight ended up being an endurance challenge where only Krillin was left standing, and barely. Goku would have burnt himself out if there were no allies or transformations to bail either side out.
Goku never obliterated Frieza, hell he wasn’t even the one to finish him off
Watch it again, when he goes super he is a class above Frieza, literally toying with him. At one point he just smacks the shit out of him for a bit
Frieza's last resort is to blow up the planet because he couldn't defeat Goku lmao. Goku even gave him some of his energy so Frieza could escape and Frieza uses it to launch an attack that Goku easily slaps down. If Toryama didn't have to hype up Trunks, that's where Frieza realistically would have died.
Honestly, I can't really find things that I hate about Saiyan to Cell. About MB, I hate that Ratku got ressurected, and I don't mind him coming back to show SS3 and fight Bejita, but he shouldn't have been resurrected, the same goes for Bejita. End of Z is average but considering how fricking AWFUL all other manga endings are, Z ending is great.
Make Frieza die on Namek and have King Cold be only one to come to Earth
Remove Majin Buu and make Dabura the new main villain and yes without a power boost, he is Perfect Cell tier but cannot be defeated due to ego + giving up fighting (Vegeta), lack of focus and training (Gohan) and childnisness (Goten+Trunks)
Only once did the z fighters feel like an actual team working together and that was the saiyan saga. I miss dragon ball where the gang actually came off as friends
make them racist against mexicans
joke's on you, they would make even more memes about it
Each person can only use the Dragon Balls a certain number of times, so eventually they've used up all their wishes and either have to con other people to make wishes on their behalf, or find a different way to handle problems than
>Who cares if we die? Dragonballs!
Make Broly (me) sexually curbstomp that green little bawd Cheelai in every scene. Green goblina sex correction!
how to make instant waifu characters
>is shortstack
like taking candy from a baby.
-make Z Broly canon
-delete Super
-GT Kai. It had good ideas, just needs to be streamlined
Drop power levels after the saiyan arc because it's fine for someone to be obscenely strong but quantifying it and saying they're 1000x stronger makes everything sound completely arbitrary and made up (it is).
Refine zenkai to say it's a saiyan's recently acquired gains becoming manifest quicker than if they spent a month resting and waiting. Goku and Vegeta's power-ups on Namek should be linked to their recent fights and training. That way it's not a cheat code to be hacked but can still give characters quick boosts between fights for plot reasons.
Add more bits in the Cell saga to characterize Gohan and Trunks better. Nothing was outwardly bad but it didn't feel like it was Gohan's arc even though he takes center-stage for the finale. Maybe give Trunks a better arc by allowing him to coach Gohan (like Gohan coached him) and thus change history.
Either fully commit to a zany Gohan-Saiyanman arc or do a streamlined Buu arc with Vegeta and Gohan as the main characters.
Power levels and their consequences have been a disaster for media.
The idea if power levels has become pervasive. It's not enough for someone or something to be strong; it has to be stronger than the main character, and then the main character has to become stronger than it, and the cycle never ends. You get to a point where the main character, who got his arse beaten by some nobody in season 1, is now challenging gods.
Power creep is a crutch for writers who lack the ability to write smart or cunning characters who overcome with their wits.
instead of being no16 triggering Gohan ss2 it's piccolo's death
no buu saga, end it there
Did you guys use to draw wacky transformations too when you were little with your mates?
no I was never a good drawer
Neither was I or most of my friends. That never stopped us from creating weird little short comics on A4 paper.
Planet busting should not have been revealed during the Saiyan saga
Vegeta is Mexican
Hopes & dreams for DAIMA?
>Disregards all the Super manga in your path
lol
lmao
Goku lands on a 10,000x gravity planet and has to fight like he's a diabetic slug. Arc ends with him doing a full-power kamehameha which is smaller than the first one he used against Bulma's car.
what? are they rebooting the series or something?
or some moronic curse that turns goku into a child like in GT?
is this an official movie?
We don't know anything at the moment lol
>they don't have a clue how to end Super.
I think so, the anime and manga team are at odds or something, it's weird
The manga is always playing catch up
This shit will fail. All this tells me is that they don't have a clue how to end Super.
Torch is passed to Gohan after Cell games.
The End.
>Saiyans get stronger every time they're close to death
Doesn't this mean Vegeta and Goku could just trade off kicking the shit out of each other to near death until they're literally unstoppable?
Vegeta did that on namek a few times with Dende's help. Toriyama kind of forgot about it after Namek
Yea he's a lot like Araki, haphazardly introduces something that seems really overpowered and useful, then drops it and continues like it never existed.
Piccolo should be wishing for more planets of Namekians to be populated so he can reap the harvest.
Yes
Jobgeta even has a new form that he gets stronger the more he gets hit
He still jobs, the form doesn't work
>he gets stronger the more he gets hit
The Trumpian moment for Vegeta lmao
Yea that's just like his form swapping from Blue to Deep Blue, that was supposedly stronger than just staying in Deep Blue or whatever. Vegeta actually has strategy, but it doesn't matter because Goku just hits harder.
You only get zenkai a certain amount of times, I know people hate Super here but they imply they've reached some kind of limit and their powerlevels don't jump so wildly from being healed anymore. It's more like a passive thing where they slowly improve during fights.
Make ChiChi and Bulma not act like screaming idiots the entire time. Make characters like them actually stay away from fights because they have no purpose being there. Have Bulma utilize her technical prowess more. But that'd probably piss off people who think that'd be forcing stronk wimmin.
Shorten namek and Frieza sagas by a metric ton. Cut out a lot of drawn out sequences for that matter.
I've would have dropped everything after Cell saga
Goku should have stayed dead after cell
make gohan the real protagonist by not being a homosexual and become the warrior he was supposed to be on Trunk's timeline
keep the buu saga, but keep vegeta's death permanent and make Trunks and Goten the next protagonists of the story
I also would have kept the stakes and power level bullshit under more gradual control and develop more interesting antagonists and non-villain characters in neutral or ambiguous roles against the heroes, like in hunter x hunter
there, I fricking fixed it
I would make GT canon and make Kefla go SSJ4 with the exact same characteristics as the males
Doesn't SSJ4 basically make you moronic?
Honestly, I never figured it out the personality changes of the SSJ4
I always saw it as Saiyans going full predator (apes aren't but Saiyans sure are) and relying purely on instinct and raw animal strength. No thoughts, only violence.
Remove the Saiyan girls, and if you must create a female Saiyan character, make her like pic related, not those stupid skinny weakling designs. There's a new girl (I didn't watch Super) that's a bit autistic and only get a bit of strong personality when she turn into a Broly like character. It's the most stupid and lazy attempt that I've seen at creating a female character. Saiyans are tough motherfrickers. They deserve better. Pic related is the way.
It should have ended with the Namak saga, and even that wasn't great. The android saga could have been good but then it was hijacked by Cell. Cell was a shit villain. Gohan is a shit character. Everything after Namak is just bullshit.