How would you salvage the DCEU without scrapping it entirely?
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sell it to disney.
Bring back Snyder.
Let him be in charge.
Do anything he says and give him unlimited budget.
Snyder was the problem in the first place, moron.
How was he the problem? Did he do Superman Returns? Catwoman? Jonah Hex? Green Lantern? Birds of Prey? Wonder Woman 1984?
>have complete creative control of MoS, shit the bed and make a garbage movie that exhausts audiences
>panic in the boardroom and try to attempt to meddle in BvS, too late, principle photography done
>throw a tantrum and change BoP, WW and JL.
If his first two movies weren't shit, Warner wouldn't have seethed so hard.
Oh and the first Suicide Squad movie was completely changed because of the studio freaking out too.
He was directing Nolan and Goyer script. The movie came out fine and is in fact the most profitable Superman movie ever.
WB execs were morons that expected MoS to do a billion just because it had Nolan name as a writer and producer, but they forgot that even Batman Begins, Nolan's first Batman movie, only did like 400 million. So them panicking was just WB execs being morons.
The WB execs also meddled on BvS. BvS was originally supposed to be MoS sequel, but because of their meddling they managed to piss off Nolan by forcing the movie to be a Superman and Batman cross-over movie. Then they meddled on it even further by butchering the movie in editing, same as they did with Green Lantern and Suicide Squad.
So we already established that WB execs are morons and them fricking up several other movies before and after Snyder should be of no surprise. I don't see why you're blaming Snyder over it.
Snyder chose to adapt The Dark Knight Returns for BvS. He chose to use an older version of Batman. He chose to have Batman take revenge on Superman. He chose to kill Superman off at the end. "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME" was his idea too. These are all Snyderisms that ruined the movie universe before it could really get off the ground.
Snyder was working on a MoS sequel with Goyer and Nolan that would feature Lex Luthor, Metallo, and Brainiac. Snyder only chose to use Dark Knight Returns as an inspiration after WB demanded for the sequel to be a cross-over and went on to piss Nolan off by trying to force Nolan's hands into bringing Christian Bale back as Batman and making the sequel a cross-over between Man of Steel and Nolan's Batman movies.
You don't know shit about the production history of the DCEU movies.
Probably because you are lying about multiple DC productions?
See
. I am now going to embarrass your homosexual lying ass, you idiot.
The bullshit about Christopher Nolan writing single-handedly a Superman script that was turned probably came from this bullshit news that was nothing but fanboys fanfic:
https://collider.com/man-of-steel-superman-early-script-details/
>Now an early treatment of the script credited to Snyder, Goyer, and producer Christopher Nolan reveals that Man of Steel could have ended up being very, very different than the film that we saw in theaters.
>UPDATE: Hitfix has updated their story to report that the treatment is fan-fiction. "I bought it because I wanted to buy it," reporter Drew McWeeny said in his honest explanation of why they ran the story.
Now here's an interview where Goyer talk about how Man of Steel was truly made:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/david-s-goyer-interview-1234983774/
>When Chris and I were beating out The Dark Knight Rises, we ran into some issues in the middle of the film. It was a number of things: How Bruce was going to defeat Bane, how he was going to escape the Pit and the switch reveal — that the child was actually Talia. Chris and I just hit a wall, and Chris suggested we take a break for a week and put our pencils down. It’s counterintuitive, because you think you have to keep at it. But often when you have writer’s block, it’s best to just walk away, do something completely different and just hope that your subconscious will come to the rescue.
>What happened during that week is I ended up rereading the first few years of Action Comics and writing down a two-pager for a Superman movie. So when we came back, Chris said, “Well, have any ideas?” And I said, “I’ve got this Superman movie that has nothing to do with The Dark Knight Rises.” That’s how Man of Steel happened. We ended up pitching it to Warner Bros. and getting that going.
>second link literally just repeats what I fricking said
Was never talking about any fan fiction regarding the script you dumb shill, I was saying that Nolan had heavy involvement with Goyer before Snyder came in and shat the bed. Woah, you greentexts exactly what I was talking about, you sure btfo me!
Go back to Snyder's Indian fan page you stupid fricking redditor.
Let me tell you a couple of three things.
>I was saying that Nolan had heavy involvement with Goyer before Snyder came in and shat the bed
Nolan was the one who brought Snyder on, you idiot. Snyder simple tried to film Nolan and Goyer's script.
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/movies/man-of-steel-aims-to-make-superman-relevant-again.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
>Mr. Nolan, a producer of Man of Steel, said he thought of Mr. Snyder to direct the film because of his stylized takes on 300 and Watchmen, and his “innate aptitude for dealing with superheroes as real characters.”“That was what a new approach to Superman required,” Mr. Nolan said. “He understands the power of iconic images, but he also understand the people behind them.”
>“It’s ironic but it’s a very productive irony. You’re dealing with a filmmaker who has deconstructed this mythology and now has to reconstruct it. That’s a fascinating challenge for him.”
I'm convinced you are ESL because you are in fact, not refuting the actual things I've said.
You're trying to imply that Snyder came in and changed everything, which pissed Nolan off. That's a fricking lie. Read the goddamn interviews. Nolan and Snyder are close friends. Nolan brought Snyder to the project. Nolan in fact had to convince Snyder to direct the movie. WB execs actually wanted Nolan to direct it.
Not what I said but you do you, friendo. MoS still sucks
You're full of shit.
First you try to imply that Nolan had a different pitch for a Superman movie.
Then you outright say that Nolan wanted MoS to be a cross-over with his Batman movies, when everyone in the know knows that this is was made Nolan step out as a producer on the sequel. WB kept pestering Nolan to add a post-credits scene to MoS where Christian Bale's Batman receives a black case filled with kryptonite. Nolan hated the idea. Said in the press that real movies don't have post credits scenes, which pissed off a bunch of Marvel fanboys.
>https://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/nov/04/-sp-christopher-nolan-interstellar-rebooted-blockbuster
>When the studio asked if Snyder would add a comedy coda ending, in the style of Marvel, Nolan’s reply was “A real movie wouldn’t do that.”
Actually all of the Batman stuff, including the branding, in BvS was mandated by Warner execs. Chris Terrio, the guy who re-wrote BvS and wrote JL talks about this at length in this interview.
https://www.slashfilm.com/580412/chris-terrio-batman-branding-lex-luthor/
> But what they didn't mention was that, for example, in the draft of the Batman/Superman script that W.B. had developed—[which was] the draft I washanded when Ijoined the project—Batman was not only branding criminals with a bat brand, he alsoendedthe movie by branding Lex Luthor.That ending was a point over which I explicitly went to the mat with the studio again and again.I argued that Batman cannot end the movie continuing this behavior, which amounted to torture, because then the movie was endorsing what he did."
Dude you're moronic, you got BTFO hard and should just take the L
Nice revisionist cope, Nolan pitched a very different first draft and then he lost interest in the project and they gave it to Goyer and Snyder with a credit to Nolan. MoS fricking sucks and is a tiresome movie that critics hate and polarized audiences. They panicked because response for MoS was abysmal, no Nolan movie was panned like MoS.
>it is in fact the most profitable Superman movie ever
Press x for doubt, homosexual. Superman 2 adjusted for inflation is probably most likely the most profitable Superman film. Stop defending poorly made capeshit.
>Nice revisionist cope
Do you want me to link the interviews where both Nolan and Goyer tell the story about how Man of Steel was made, you lying c**t?
Sure thing, Abu. Go quote me the interview where Nolan and Goyer say exactly what I fricking said.
>Nolan pitched a very different first draft
What was it?
Not this stupid grimdark bullshit, that's what. If I remember correctly, he suggested tying in the Nolanverse into Superman, still "grounded" but a bit more hopeful and stylized.
That dude is an idiot who bought some stupid fanfic or is straight up lying.
Nolan was that stupid ideas, you idiot. From the same THR interview with Goyer from here
:
>INTERVIEWER: Zack Snyder recently claimed that it wasn’t off the table to set Man of Steel in the Nolan-verse, which is tough to imagine. Was that ever discussed?
>GOYER: Not amongst us when I was doing Man of Steel, or among Nolan and myself. Chris always wanted to keep the Dark Knight films as a separate entity and [the studio] kept wanting, understandably, to pull him into a whole DC expanded universe. Chris obviously was a producer on Man of Steel, and it’s tempting to think they were linked, but they really weren’t. I mean, I’m sure one could retroactively do it.
>Snyder recently claimed
Stopped reading honestly.
Nah, the only Superman movie more profitable than Man of Steel was the original Superman movie from the 70s, adjusted for inflation
https://screenrant.com/highest-grossing-dc-comics-movies-ever-all-time-adjusted-for-inflation/
Snyder has quite honestly never made a good movie, Warner is the Chad of the group trying to save their most profitable IPs but going too far in course correction and too many cooks in the kitchen. You must have horrid taste in movies to shill Snyder's "vision" of anything.
>Warner is the Chad of the group trying to save their most profitable IPs
Every fricking stupid decision ever made in those movies came from a WB execs. WB, for example, didn't want Paul Dini and Bruce Timm involved in the DCEU movies because according to them Geoff Johns was their Kevin Feige. Before Johns it was Kevin Smith.
>He was directing Nolan and Goyer script.
The first of his terrible decisions, yeah.
and lets not forget WB execs ttrying to sabbatoge The Joker.
snyder is a moron, but WB gave him the keys to the kingdom. They should have had faith in him instead of panicking like animals and trying to change the dceu's course every single month
His cinematic universe was a weak foundation for the movies that followed. He should have been replaced immediately after Man of Steel. There should have been an Affleck Batman movie at that point. Then a "World's Finest" movie with no Superman death. Then Wonder Woman. Then Justice League.
>There should have been an Affleck Batman movie at that point. Then a "World's Finest" movie with no Superman death. Then Wonder Woman. Then Justice League.
The problem is that this was never WB intention. Snyder had to fight WB execs for Wonder Woman to be made and fight them even harder for it to come before Justice League. He even had to help fund the movie to get his way. WB never wanted to make separate solo movies.
So again why are you frickers blaming Snyder for WB execs stupidity?
>WB never wanted to make separate solo movies.
That's just a straight up lie.
BvS was good but Snyder was not heading in a great direction. Lois cucking Superman was a moronic idea and I honestly prefer Joss Whedon's interpretation of a quasi-suicidal Batfleck compared to the one from the Snyder cut. Overall Snyder Cut was much better but it wasn't perfect.
>I honestly prefer Joss Whedon's interpretation of a quasi-suicidal Batfleck compared to the one from the Snyder cut. Overall Snyder Cut was much better but it wasn't perfect.
Batman was a joke in the theatrical cut because of Johns hatred for the character and Whedon propensity for writing every "smart" as a snarky passive aggressive know-it-all.
Have comic book writers Chuck Dixon co-write or write the entire script. Don't leave everything up to wannabe artists that want to Nolanise everything (Sneeder).
Hire Wes Anderson. I think it would make an interesting movie.
Bring back Snyder.
Let him be in charge.
Do anything he says and give him unlimited budget.
Get the guys doing the animated movies to handle it.
The animated movies that adapted the shitty New 52 comic arcs and were so awful and sold so badly it tanked their budget forcing them eventually to give up on their pitiful "animated universe" in the most passive aggressive way possible?
>were so awful
Anon, please get some taste.
He's right, though. That specific animated universe failed to sell, so they had to reboot it by first killing everyone off in the most edgy way possible.
Wasn't aware they did poorly to be honest. I liked just about every movie they made in that universe. I figure it had just run its course.
fire all the israelites.
Turn the movies into porn parodies
the joker in the dark knight vivid parody was pretty good at both acting and fricking batgirl in the ass
Meera spin off. Aqua Man
Just make 90 minute version of classic silver age superman. No Snyder crap and no "homages" to 1978 movie
DC is so fricking weird. everyone is either gods or normal humans, which makes balancing things hard. maybe they should make the bad guys more cerebral or something.
Bring back Snyder.
Let him be in charge.
Do anything he says
>get ten Man of Steel movies and just destroy the franchise senpai
no thanks.
good morning sirs
Build world's separately before the mascot mashup. Bat family shit, teen titans, god spawn of the ancient world.
Obviously in some iterations the main spotlight will be on the franchise darlings, but in these not so solo films we can see them in their own element surrounded by all their own people. We'll get Supergirl and Batgirl, Nightwing and static shock, beastboy and black atom. No, they won't be the darlings that make it to JL films, but they'll provide a home for the heavy hitters on the off season.
Not everything needs to be some inorganic cherry picked Picasso shit hammered together because you end up with a product that's somehow less than the sum of it's parts.
Flay all the people in charge of it on live TV, salt their wounds, then fire them and hire people with brains and talent.
Recast the entire universe and reboot.
At this point it's beyond Fricked and there is nothing redeeming left.
So Goyer basically Fricked the DC universe?
No, David Goyer wasn't the one responsible for the BvS script. Both Goyer and Chris Terio, the screen-writer Ben Affleck brought on board as a condition to play Batman, were handed the BvS script and tried to work their best to make it work. WB had been trying to a Superman vs Batman cross-over movie for decades You had the Superman/Batman logo in movies like Will Smith's I Am Legend movie.
Goyer was fired from BvS because he couldn't "work" the BvS script that WB handed to him. So when Ben Affleck was hired but asked to be made a producer and bring his screen-writer friend to change the script, Terio inherited the messy script and did his best.
Originally Goyer, Nolan, and Snyder wanted to just make a Superman trilogy that was meant to be grounded and more sci-fi-y. Nolan and Goyer also wanted to do a prequel movie that took place entirely on Krypton, because Nolan loved helping develop the planet and its culture. If Krypton is so different in MoS is mostly thanks to Nolan.
If WB had kept their hands out of the cookie jar we would have gotten a Man of Steel trilogy and nothing but that, and a Justice League movie completely divorced from Man of Steel trilogy written by Will Beal and directed by Ben Affleck, that would take inspirations from the DCAU cartoons.
https://screenrant.com/will-beall-justice-league-movie-screenpay-bad-aquaman-2018/
>Reshoot Flash Movie
>Recast Lucas Till as Flash
>Recast John Hamm as Batman
>Flashpoint resets DCU
New Superman Movie
>Cast Matt Bomer as Superman and reboot
Lets start from there.
Just make a batman movie every 3-5 years and ignore the rest