Do you prefer splinter to be a mutated Hamato Yoshi/Human or to be already a rat that just gets mutated into a humanoid rat?
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Human or Rat splinter?
Do you prefer splinter to be a mutated Hamato Yoshi/Human or to be already a rat that just gets mutated into a humanoid rat?
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I like the rat, something about Yoshi being long dead and the turtles carrying on his name feels like it adds layers to the story. Maybe it's the Dragon Ball obsessed kid in me where Grandpa Gohan's influence is still felt even though Goku wasn't his actual grandkid. the legacy lives on through the being he touched in his life.
TMNT03 Season 5 is a bit of a mess but I thought it was really touching how Yoshi's ghost pets Splinter. You're suddenly pulled back into reminding you he was an animal and a pet once, and just getting a little pet from his master makes him happy.
I used to dislike rat Splinter because how much Splinter could actually know about his master Yoshi and ninjutsu just from watching from his cage? Then I thought about it... The idea of him taking this really basic tenants and lessons from observation and spending his years BECOMING a master alongside teaching his sons? I kinda dig that.
Human. I just cannot believe that Splinter became one of the best fighters in the world thru martial arts instructional videos.
>became one of the best fighters in the world thru martial arts instructional videos.
Wasn't this just rise and mutant mayhem?
and Michael bay.
Mutant Mayhem stole a ton from michael bay's, for reasons that are completely indiscernable to me.
(villains want to capture turtles for their blood, splinter is just a rando rat who learned from tv/books)
just in mutant mayhem. In rise, Splinter basically used to be Bruce Lee/Jackie Chan.
Not sure how I feel about splinter being a former star. Like that kinda gives off vibes of hubris.
That aside, what was comic Splinter's origin?
>Not sure how I feel about Splinter being a former star.
I mean, that show was all about "rising," so yeah Spinter isn't the disciplined ninja master dad he should be at the start.
> What was comic Splinter's origin?
In the original comic, he was a rat. Also Daredevil is there, kind of. But the 80's cartoon established him as a former human.
>Comic splinter
Going to have be more specific there champ, there's ALOT of comic splinters.
OG one was Hamato Yoshi's pet rat who wanted revenge for his master's death, then you got 80s comics ones that was hamato yoshi like the show, then you got the idw one where he's a mutated rat but supposed to be a reincarnation of hamato yoshi.
My preference for Splinter tends to be a master when he's teaching the turtles since otherwise, someone who doesn't know what they're doing teaching someone else just makes me think that it's hard to imagine the turtles becoming good.
Though I am biased. I liked 2012, 87 and the 1990 TMNT film (and even secret of the ooze.) Tried to get into rise, didn't hook me and I just dropped it a few episodes in. Again a lot of people insisted Rise was good and maybe it is. But I never got super into it. Didn't hate it. Didn't get hooked.
It works in Rise since you initially think Splinter is a bit of a poser, but learn that he is a legitimate badass who was able to take down mutants 4 times his size. The fact that he used his talents for shitty movies and commercials only adds to his character.
>Like that kinda gives off vibes of hubris.
Thats part of his character arc, the trauma as to why he chose to become an actor instead and his eventual return to being a proper ninja master. Rise splinet gets a lot of flak for being a deadbeat dad, but I hes also one of the most developed incarnations of the character
>That aside, what was comic Splinter's origin?
The pet of Hamato Yoshi who was mutated by the ooze, same as the 1990 movie and the 2003 show.
Laird says he wasn't necessarily a normal rat, he just never got around to expanding on it.
What I suspect is that he was that Yoshi. Early on in Mirage, the Turtles encounter a family of samurai who can pass down knowledge and skills to their descendants at the moment of death through spiritual means. I think the idea was going to be that Yoshi did something similar, and that's why Splinter was more spiritually aware and able to use the astral plane when he meditated.
Rise had its problems
Splinter is surprisingly not one of them
Rise Splinter was raised to be a genuine ninja with an obligation to maintain a mystic seal on a supremely powerful cursed warrior. But then bailed on his family and obligations to become a movie star who eventually was kidnapped to fight in a magical monster arena where he was then double kidnapped to be a source of powerful super soldiers.
I prefer human. Splinter having lost a normal life and now devoting himself to the betterment of his adoptive sons. It better illustrates his fall from grace if he was a human ninja master, who is now a sewer rat.
I prefer human Splinter. The rat who learned from a book with no actual practical experience to become a master fighter always felt stupid to me. It makes more sense that he used to be a human in order to gain his wisdom and fighting skill.
2012 had alot of issues, but its depiction of Splinter as hamato Yoshi was pure 10/10.
Human all the way.
Him choosing to put aside the thoughts of a normal life and focus on his sons is both very heartwarming and a good arc for him, plus him being an ex-human grandmaster makes sense.
This also allows for more of a reason for shredder's feud with him.
Human, the rat thing is just a bit to goofy for my taste. And yes I know this is a series about 6 feet tall turtles, that's just where I draw the line.
The thing is, while 6 foot anthropomorphic turtles SOUNDS crazy, the universe is generally consistent with why and how; Mutagen is established pretty strongly/firmly as being able to do that, so its not that weird so long as it exists.
However there's never really any good explanation for why a rat can somehow learn ninjitsu masterfully from literal TV or books, so that juts out as breaking the universe logically.
Is it more consistent to you when he's learning it by mimicking or watching Hamato Yoshi? Not facetious or rhetorical. Just asking.
DESU, i'm not a bit fan of him being hamato yoshi's rat either.
But I'll at least allow for the wank of him retroactively gaining memory training of his master's actions upon mutating than from mimicking books and TVs, especially since he has to first learn english and then to read before he can start reading.
Makes sense to me. He has presence of mind enough to remember Hamato Yoshi's training exercises even if as a rat his body and mind were not suited to them.
The other thing about the mutagen is that it also elevated Leatherhead to near Utrom level intelligence.
I suspect the idea was that the mutagen was intended to evolve creatures to the Utrom's level to advance civilization. But because it was kind of risky to expose on a civilization en masse it was kept guarded and only used once on earth intentionally, with the turtles and splinter being an accident.
Is there no version of Splinter where he after trained by Yoshi after mutating?
A human turned into a rat-man is has more interesting synergy with the turtles than a rat mutating into man-sapience like the turtles do.
extremely sexy badass martial arts human to fat, chubby little piece of shit is the best splinter
Human, because the scene with tiny rat Splinter copying Yoshi's moves doing tiny rat karate in his little rat cage is the stupidest thing ever.
Eithers fine, but human to rat probably has more potential for story or character development.
Human origin, usually with some ties to the foot clan, especially if it gives him a darker past that he's atoning for. That's mostly a storytelling and motivation thing, though. I want there to be a good overarching story that ties things together. A guy trying to make up for his sins by both raising 4 mutants as his sons, but also training them to tie up his unfinished business has a nice ring to it. At this point, it's not an original take on the character, but it's one that works, and gives the rest of the potential stories a little more gravitas. The turtles have been instilled with a sense of justice and duty, but also have Splinter wanting them to one day be able to break free of the cycle of revenge. Classic, satisfying stuff.
>Splinter wanting them to one day be able to break free of the cycle of revenge.
I feel that's a lesson missing from certain action adventure cartoons lately. Maybe I'm just a doddering old boomer but I've always felt like giving in to impulsive anger was self destructive. The message always resonated with me not because I was someone averse to those fits of anger but because I've been prone to it. So rather than totally giving in to it and succumbing I felt like I was being taught I could and should do better. Rather than that I was totally justified in feeling angry.
I think that's something that makes for a good running theme for any long-form action show. The goal is for the fighting to stop, some day, and figuring out a way to do that, while also having them figure out what a life without constant patrols and gang wars and ninja blood feuds actually looks like for a family that has only ever known war.
At the risk of sounding pretentious, something I heard once that really resonated with me was: "The Mark of the Immature Man Is That He Wants To Die Nobly for a Cause, While the Mark of the Mature Man Is That He Wants To Live Humbly for One."
It's proven more right to me with time. The origin of the quote is something of a contentious debate but it's attributed to Catcher in the Rye even if Salinger was paraphrasing someone else.
that's one thing I liked about the 2012 series with splinter.
Even though he knows splinter is a bastard, he still aknowledges his own role in their feud rather than putting all the blame on shredder, and tries whole heartedly to avoid falling into the trap of hatred that shredder fell into (And tries to make sure raph learns from his mistakes to not repeat them about anger)
>knows splinter is a bastard
knows shredder is a bastard.
The main thing with 2012 Splinter I don't like is I feel like Shredder should have crippled him in the season one finale, because he still hung back a lot even when he was theoretically invested in the results and no longer seemed to have anything holding him back.
I'm aware that's always been Splinter's problem but don't most versions have poor stamina?
Splinter does go out when he knows the problems are too dire (Generally whenever it involves the shredder, as he heads to shredder's hideout to personally fight him at the end of I believe the second season finale), he just doesn't always accompany them on their missions because he knows he needs to let his sons grow.
Leo and the others have a bad habit of not checking in with splinter for Krang related stuff though, but that's more the 4 of them's fault than his.
Splinter also tries to avoid heading out because he knows that Shredder is INTENTIONALLY trying to bait him out, as alot of his plans are to try and horrify splinter in some way (Like shredder's plan to use Karai as bait for him), and Splinter is generally trying to de-escelate the situation with the Foot clan due to his attempts to break the cycle of revenge that he feels he helped cause.
human because its more fricked up
Rat always, human is stupid..because you get the conflict of him wanting to be human again and rat fits in with him always being outcast like his sons.
Only an issue if there's any means for him to be human again, and anti-mutagen does not have any serious usage as part of the story. He can see mutation as a punishment for his actions, or since he's a goddamned ninja master, he can be used to living in the shadows. Either way, he's an old man whose only connection to the world is his sons, so it's not like he's hurrying to escape from them or that he has anyone to run to.
human splinter.
make it so the turtles figure out Splinter is a former human and that's why Shredder hunts them down because he recognizes their Foot Clan training.
>recognizes their Foot Clan training
This is something I feel like several of the series could have done something more with. When they're fighting random street goons and purse snatchers, they do great. When they actually encounter the Foot clan, they struggle, but their mutant strength and toughness helps them pull through, and now they're confused because it felt too much like fighting each other. When they fight Shredder for the first time, they get stomped, because he recognizes they're using Foot Clan Ninjutsu immediately.
Now the turtles have pressing questions about their training, but also they need to rethink how they fight, which can be a good way to make each character a little more unique by having them play to their strengths and learn to use their turtle-traits more actively.
The human origin makes more sense but I really hate those "doomed to fail" plotlines. I know that he isn't going to turn back to a human so I'm not invested in that plotline.
Can we all agree that 2012 Splinter is the hottest one?
Rat all the way
Human. Even if am able to suspend my disbelieve of a regular pet rat learning martial arts(something I should do, being the kind franchise this is), the human background allows just for that, an actual background of all he did before the mutation, whatever it was the rivalry with Shredder or expand the training and knowledge he could had actually got. And all of these without sacrificing the story of development of adapting to live as a mutant, or his relation with the Turtles. Overall, I just think is a net gain to his character.