We haven't seen him yet, but he's the Shit Shoveler character from the fantasy episode of TTS. They've made one or two references to him living in the area.
Absinthe is no different than any strong spirit. It being a hallucinogenic was a myth spread by winemakers to try and keep it from cutting into their profits
I drink Absinthe. They were just trying to sound cool or got served laced drinks.. it just a strong, anice flavored liquor. Strong as hell, but not anything more. Really pleasant actually, if you cut it with some ice water till it looks like pearl water.
Also like to mix it with grapefruit juice, since the tartness compliments its flavor. Only gays do the sugar cube thing though, but it is French In origin so I'll allow it
I dont exaggerate when i say that caught me more off guard than anything else in a good long while across all media, the inmediate utterance of his "bottom's up" was incredible, as in i could not believe it when i heard it.
It's pretty funny, cut through the "heckin' wholesome adornable and boy" bullshit real nice. The consequences are more than little post traumatic quips like "it's like deathmatch in real life", they drive Boy to drink.
Yeah but even the "I shot a b***h" line is basically a cute joke, Boy saying "hood gangster" shit that contrasts with his cinnamon bun personality and appearance. There is nothing cute about Boy identifying absinthe and then slamming it back in short order. There's no layer of humor or irony insulate it, it's just dark.
Low generation = stronger
High = weaker and eventually thin blood, which fun fact, actually shifted to a higher minimum generation between dark ages and modern nights
I thought I heard somewhere you can ghoul animals, but that would sort of make Animalism Discipline a bit redundant.
Ghouled animals are better. And much deadlier. It's why you don't frick with nossies. The rats...good lord the rats
Probably a Wyrm creature, which is Werewolf lore. They believe there's something called the Triat, which consist of the Wyld, who creates all things, the Weaver, who orders all things, and the Wyrm, who destroys all things. This is a natural cycle, but has been thrown out of balance recently and everyone is worried it's heading towards the apocalypse.
Most werewolves think Wyld = Good and Weaver and Wyrm = Bad. The Weaver is heavily tied to the rise of humanity and technology, while the Wyrm is more associated with the supernatural darkness like vampires.
Keep in mind, this is all werewolf lore. They ascribe vampires to the Wyrm, but vampires themselves have absolutely nothing in their own mythology that resembles the Wyrm. So it's possible werewolves are wrong. Likely, even.
As far as Horse goes, that looks pretty close to Wyrmshit, but he's remarkably friendly for one. He's probably an Aughisky, which is a horse-type of Fomori (possessed creature) possessed by a Bane (spirit who willing serves the Wyrm), though the physical description of an Aughisky says they're black horses with the head of wolves. Likely a reference to Hours and his wolf association, if that form is one Horse will eventually turn into and isn't just being written out for sake of having a fun reveal.
In summary, we don't really know because the closest thing we can find should probably have killed and eaten Boy rather than try to warn him about the future.
>though the physical description of an Aughisky says they're black horses with the head of wolves. Likely a reference to Hours and his wolf association
Frick. Shit. Dammit men, he's cracked the code.
What we know about Horse
1 - He's a gift D. got from his "Parents" with emphasis on the multiple
2 - he might be some kind of psychic/mental construct.
3 - The beast is demonic in nature.
So either
1. D is a high level vampire and Horse is basically a ghoul running off of low generation blood.
2. D is some kind of supernatural entity (possibly Gaia or Malfean related, probably Malfean given the reference to a Grandmother)
3. The stories are false leads and D. just befriended a demonic horse.
So that Kindred Son-In-Law killed, he was a Nagaraja, right? I don't even think I've heard of this Vampire clan yet, but maybe I just forgot about it bashing my brains trying to remember all 13 clans and all the specifics.
It was a nagajara. They're not a full clan, but a bloodline who might not even be proper cainites if you believe the origin story they preach.
Other bloodlines include the daughters of cacophony, the samedi, a bunch of random shit in Africa including another batch of vampires that aren't cainites if you believe their creation myth...Two different types of fairy vampire...lots of shitty extinct ones to
But not the drowned legacies of South America. Those motherfrickers might not even be vampires
We don't know much about them, and what we do know is from becket's jihad diary. They're...strange and have abilities and banes unlike any other vampire. but the regional Sabbat and camarilla are scared shitless of them, and they're the reason they can't get a foothold down there. Cause they'll just murder them.
And it's theorized They may be a breed of vampires unconnected to cane, or a type of entirely different monster that simply...mimics what's around, and vampires are their current mask.
They're called the drowned legacies cause they held a reign of blood over the land long before any cainite stepped foot on the Americas
>The Karai Pyrahe are native from Peru to Argentina. They recognize a forthcoming descendant named Tunchi, who gifted them the powers to imitate the sounds of any creature, walk without making a sound or leaving a trace, and contort their way through impossibly small spaces. Tunchi has not yet been born. When he is, he will reclaim his power.
What...what does that mean?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Reminds me of Santana from the Pillar Men
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Wheel turns
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Drowned_Legacy
Here's their wiki page. Real spooky motherfrickers
>Mysterious South American vampire-adjacent entities that scare the shit out of vampires
Sounds.. familiar
2 years ago
Anonymous
Whatever your GM wants it to mean. Old WoD is full of headcanon plothooks like that.
Freaking out about the coffee feels like a clue to something too, but maybe that's just regular Kindred autism about keeping up appearances.
Also, I know any Kine actually surviving a Kindred encounter is rare, let alone killing one, but is it really that far fetched in WoD? I know baseline humies are really just the fodder for the setting, but considering Hunters, all the supernatural shit around humans, and whatever human resistances and tricks they have up their sleeves, it feels like everyone calling Kitten a Werecat is a bit of a leap. People get lucky sometimes, especially protagonists, y'know.
It could have been a very low-generation Vamp, maybe even a thin-blood. If it had no real skill in fighting then whatever little vampire power it had could have fallen short in the face of a lucky kick out a window.
Most of the time a guy gets lucky against a vampire is either when the vampire is extremely weak and/or stupid, or when they themselves are enhanced in some way.
Kitten may not be a werecat but a normal dude surviving a direct attack from a vampire, let alone killing one, is downright weird.
Based on the way he told the story it sounds like the vamp had totally lost it and was frenzied. Kitten more than likely got lucky with fighting him. What's also worth noting though is that he more or less blacked out sometime during the experience, so assuming he is a werebeast of some variety he probably unknowingly transformed and wrecked the guy.
The reason he wears clothes like he does would imply he has troubles changing back to human form, or he can't control it well.
Also his "my parents are deeeaaadd" thing also carries some implications, though chekhov's gun and all that.
I think it was more just him freaking out about appearance, yeah, and considering him trash Kine.
And yes, it's absolutely a leap to consider him a werecat currently. Normie hunters have been a thing forever, even discounting the Imbued (which he's also probably not). Guy got lucky in a fight with a probably fairly young, relatively speaking, vamp.
I'd agree, but no message from on-high. Though I suppose he could have been keeping that part secret.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>implying it's not D or his homolust for Marckus
2 years ago
Anonymous
What if D himself is a messenger that has decided to take on a human form. Now i am picturing the not!Celestine being one of these to.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mercy, Vision, and Zeal all in one
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mercy, Vision, and Zeal all in one
>D and his brothers killed a meth >his sons turned on him >imbued might stand a chance against a meth, at least for a short while >imbued can become corrupted and turn to evil
hmmm
They all know about the Arcanum, they brush shoulders(or did) with sorcerors. Who knows of they are still normal? For all we know Big D is some unclassified supernatural entity and was secretly feeding his children super-power jizz i their food.
ive only done some research but some of his shit he was talking about reminded me of some scenarios i read about taking place during basically what is the White Wolf equivalent of the End Times
ive only done some research but some of his shit he was talking about reminded me of some scenarios i read about taking place during basically what is the White Wolf equivalent of the End Times
Not really. 3rd gens are like roaches. Even the one auggie SUCKED stuck around. Frick Lasombra and tzmisce simply killed their would be usurpers and Saulot straight up absorbed Tremere after he diablerized his three eyed ass.
Malkav was also super duper deader than fricking dead can be and just went "Lul. Lmao."
Killing Antes is super fricking hard.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Malkav must've laughed their ass off when they saw how "easy" brujah, ravnos and lasombra went down
2 years ago
Anonymous
Malkav is a cheating cheater who cheats. Almost as bad as Tzimisce.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tzimisce stole the flesh cathedrals look, he's a no good copy cat b***h who lives in a sewer
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lasombra’s death was according to plan as he went off to the Abyss. What he didn’t expect was for the other Abyss dwellers to bully the frick out of him for having been a mortal, now he’s just running around plotting to sink the world back into the Abyss to get the other guys to stop calling him names.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Killing Antes is super fricking hard.
Oh come now, it's not that difficult. You just need to spend enough energy to cripple a star spanning empire after nuking the fricking afterlife as your opening gambit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Causing the sixth maelstrom was just the technocracy dabbing and flossing before they whipped out their technodick to slap ravnos with
2 years ago
Anonymous
Said technodick promptly exploded, it should be said. Because even the Technocracy couldn't handle the sheer amount of force needed to nuke an Ante out of existence. Killing Ravnos essentially puts them out of commission for the rest of the apocalypse and the ToJ scenarios.
2 years ago
Anonymous
To be entirely fair, even if it puts you in traction, dickslapping a 3rd generation to death is some goddamn bragging rights material.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Especially since, unlike most end times, mage had quite a few win scenarios, including one where all factions get exactly what they want
Which means the technocracy could, in some timeliness, recover and flourish after dickslapping the angry vampire God of illusions...and gypsies
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I've come to make an announcement, Ravnos is a b***h ass motherfricker...
Big D almost dies to Kevin. Also Ravnos only was there cause the ravnos clan are a bunch of morons who mass embraced and speedran the thinning of their blood
Fricking gypsies
going into this I was expecting them to reveal that Horse was some kind of Werehorse. I have no idea what he is, other than it's clearly not a vampire and very hostile towards them. It's too hostile to be a Psychopomp, and those only possess Awakened Mages. And yet not hostile enough to be a Demon. A ghoul would devour blood, not vomit it. I need to do more research.
my current theory is that Horse is a Beast. The wiki says Beasts are formed when a Mortal's soul fuses with a Horror. it does not say the mortal has to be human. Perhaps Horse is a Beast and D is a Hero who's managed to fight off the Compulsion to hunt Horse through copious amounts of drugs?
D definitely cares for Horse, genuinely, so I'm thinking he might not even be a Hero. Honestly, we're all expecting him to be All-Powerful because he's, well, Big D, but who's to say he's not something like an extremely knowledgeable Thin-Blood? Would be pretty hilarious if he IS like 3000 years old, but he's a rare 4th Generation Thin Blood, so he's just been a bystander to all this shit.
Could also be one of those independent ghoul lineages, the mention of killing the fourth gen along with all the mothers and fathers makes points towards a really close inbred ghoul family of a lesser bloodline that turned against the kindred in revenge as hunters after their patrons got wiped out by other kindred.
Doubt since Beasts are from the new WOD, is the most unliked of the franchise and written by a genuine creep.
Though something nice is that he doesn’t seem aggressive towards boy, even calling him nephew and saying farewell. Could even be considered as warning boy of events to come.
I think the author is a confirmed rapist, and his Beast book allows you to rape ordinary people to “teach a lesson”, chastised the victims saying it’s their fault, and if the Hero comes to stop you he’s a bad person
Basically this. The entire book is written from an abuser point of view, with layers of layers of justification for the bad things that "beasts" do, how it's not really bad, how it teaches people a lesson, how "heroes" (which happens to casually be the kind of people that would detect abusers, like parents, social workers, educators etc) are actually just self serving individuals and the true bad guys. And despite regular WoD splats where it's usually made obvious that these kind of things are just a monster way of justifying themselves they are written completely straight. The whole splat is basically a defense of abuse.
Then it turned out the lead writer was a serial rapist and all the pieces fell in place .
2 years ago
Anonymous
don't forget it was supposed to be the "queer splat" right down to the heroes's great crime being undermining the importance of the beast's personal narrative by inserting their mundane values into it.
I knew a guy who worked on it, said the truth coming off hit the company like an atom bomb because it was so fricking obvious in retrospect.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It make sense, given the whole 'egg' thing that Trans community does.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well that's another reason to avoid Chronicles then.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Couldn’t they just have gone CHECHNYA A SHIT even harder, that would at least have made sense.
might be a bane or wyrm related creature
those are know to be rotting and decrepit things
would not play nice if it was tho
There's a non-zero chance Horse is Wyrm entity, since those of the Deceiver Wyrm can be subtle and prone to slow deception as needed. He could also be a Nephandi or Nephandi-aligned entity, a servitor of the Lords of the Outer Black.
I like the idea that D is a changeling tbh.
I doubt it, since he would be taking Banality hits like crazy otherwise. Though his clear derision for the New World Order makes it a possibility (but if he was a Changeling, he has no business knowing about the NWO). He might be a Mummy.
The way Door spoke about Big D was basically just the God Emperor. Really nice though. This show keeps getting better and better. I Fricking love this shit.
Man I really fricking hate that White Wolf ever included >Ahhh this setting MAY be the exalted setting except in a very degenerated form in the far future. Wouldn't that be FUNNY? HUH? Or maybe it ISN'T! Or maybe it is? HUH HUH?
in anything ever. I get super tired of people mixing them together because it feels like it makes both settings fricking worse.
Wasn't that idea removed RIGHT BEFORE Exalted was first published, anyway? Which made it very awkward when names like Ebon Dragon and Scarlet Empress showed up in both.
No clue, but I loathe that it plagues the minds of the fanbase permanently. I'd much rather them stay separate settings. Exalted is too useful as a kitchen sink anything goes setting to waste on >Okay what if we made it grimdark and BORING?
Oracle is a term specifically used for those mages who have transcended Earth entirely and entered the Umbra as Ascended or stopped just short of Ascending to help (or frick over) those back on Earth. Not sure if Boy would be one, but I'm not writing it off.
Then gets btfo by the technocracy before he can do any real damage
He did a ton of damage, especially to the Technocracy itself. Killing him all but crippled them and indirectly wiped out not only an entire game line as a result, but led to nobody having the means to stop the OTHER Antes who woke up after him or all the other ToJ scenarios.
Actually that might track, usually those kids are abandoned because "muh sins of the father" as if the fricking wolves don't have enough blood on their hands already.
Most Metis are in fricking agony, so I'm not sure if he is one. Either a full woof who hasn't undergone the change yet or one of the other surviving Fera.
Until their first change, which could be the "puberty disease."
Keep in mind they raised the little fricker on nothing but protein and yet he seems perfectly fine. That and he can turn back a bottle of absinthe like gatorade.
Of course I could be totally wrong, my knowledge of the setting is like 3 steps removed from the tabletop or source books.
>He did a ton of damage, especially to the Technocracy itself. Killing him all but crippled them and indirectly wiped out not only an entire game line as a result
yea but it also made god give a frick and helped humanity by having god wipe out all the supernatural shit. Also frick the technoc**ts. They are magic users saying its science when in reality its magic
They're literally compromised by the Weaver, their ability to think critically went out the window a long time ago.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>They're literally compromised by the Weaver
HmmmmMMm how?
2 years ago
Anonymous
One of the ToJ scenarios (IIRC) literally has it so the Technocracy's victory ends up with them creating a stagnant sterile universe where it's pretty explicitly stated that the Weaver reigns supreme. Iteration X is controlled by the Computer, which is an aspect of the Weaver. In 1st ed, the Technocracy frequently worked with Weaver spirits to sanitize reality (see Loom of Fate), though later editions move away from that. And most Technocratic branches are in the total thrall of Clarity, which REEKS of Weaver corruption.
They are also compromised by the Wyrm, due to the existence of the Syndicate and what it represents.
>Also frick the technoc**ts. They are magic users saying its science when in reality its magic
something something
Science you don't understand is indistinguishable from magic.
something something
>Science you don't understand is indistinguishable from magic
no its literally just magic. Its stagnant magic forced into a new form and held together by techno wizards who order techno tards to do stuff for them. Its why everything goes to shit for them when god fricks them over and all the supernatural shit goes byebye. Its because they are supernatural themselves
I've read one of the last pre-enlightenment encylopedia the other day, it had chapter of magic, and it distinguished it threefold - demonic shit, "natural" shit that "just works" like chicken soup curing common cold for some reason, and "artificial" magic that was basically advanced technology of the day like mechanical horses.
For pre modern man it's not science that you don't understand is indistinguishable from magic. It's that all science is magic and vice versa.
>WHAT IS IT THOUST SEE...? >DOTH THINE EYES... SEE IT... ORACLE? >GAZE INTO... MINE CRIMSON MIASMA. >THINE FAEDER, LAID BARE, DESICCATED BY THY HAND... THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW >OF TWO, ONE FALLS. ONE RISES. DAMNATION. THE THIRD EYE OPENS. HIS SUET SHALL FEED AND WARM HER GULLET. THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW >THE PATRIARCH, IN MASTERING LUNA, ENDS HAMSTRUNG... HE WILL WISH DEATH UPON HIS FLESH, BUT NO MERCY SHALL BE GIVEN, FOR NONE HE HATH GAVE. >THE RISING THREE SHALL SIGNAL WARS END. WOE AND TRIUMPH. THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW. >FROM THEM... BLOODSHED. ARMAGEDDON FOR ALL.KINE, KINDRED, GAROU, MILKLINGS, ELOHIM. IN THE LIGHT, THEY ALL WILL...[Door wakes up]
sure > thine faeder, laid bare... desiccated on the rocks, by thy hand. the abbot will know
the fae maybe? >of two, one falls... one rises. damnation. the third eye opens. his suet will feed and warm her gullet. the abbot will know
maybe
Tremere and Saulot. one turns to a high lifeform and damns the other. saulot wakes up and takes over the boys.
>the patriarch, in mastering luna, ends hamstrung... he will wish death upon his flesh, but no mercy shall be given, for none he hath gave
Werewolf. The war to take everything over and enslave luna ends the path that would have fixed the world. second part is confusing but maybe it has to do with dancers and no skinwalkers will help for the shitty things they done. >the rising three shall signal wars end. woe and triumph. the abbot, will know.
the Triat maybe
>from them... bloodshed. armageddon for all.kine, kindred, garou, milklings, elohim. in the light, they all will
Gehenna
>WHAT IS IT THOUST SEE...? >DOTH THINE EYES... SEE IT... ORACLE? >GAZE INTO... MINE CRIMSON MIASMA. >THINE FAEDER, LAID BARE, DESICCATED BY THY HAND... THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW >OF TWO, ONE FALLS. ONE RISES. DAMNATION. THE THIRD EYE OPENS. HIS SUET SHALL FEED AND WARM HER GULLET. THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW >THE PATRIARCH, IN MASTERING LUNA, ENDS HAMSTRUNG... HE WILL WISH DEATH UPON HIS FLESH, BUT NO MERCY SHALL BE GIVEN, FOR NONE HE HATH GAVE. >THE RISING THREE SHALL SIGNAL WARS END. WOE AND TRIUMPH. THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW. >FROM THEM... BLOODSHED. ARMAGEDDON FOR ALL.KINE, KINDRED, GAROU, MILKLINGS, ELOHIM. IN THE LIGHT, THEY ALL WILL...[Door wakes up]
I'll give my shot at this >WHAT IS IT THOUST SEE...? >DOTH THINE EYES... SEE IT... ORACLE?
Calling Boy Oracle is pretty fricking wild, guess he's going Mage in this Setting? I don't know shit about the Mages or Technocracy >GAZE INTO... MINE CRIMSON MIASMA.
Ok Horse! >THINE FAEDER, LAID BARE, DESICCATED BY THY HAND... THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW
So Door's days are numbered. Desiccated is a key word here though, because that's a moisture-less corpse. Somebody is going to drink Door dry, and it'll at the very least be Boy's fault, though I don't believe he'll be the one to do it. Makes me suspect Door will probably get forcibly Embraced, possibly by Kevin in a last ditch effort to save him. >OF TWO, ONE FALLS. ONE RISES. DAMNATION. THE THIRD EYE OPENS.
So this is making me think of Markus and Kitten. I suspect Markus falls, becomes Embraced or worse, and Kitten rises? Third eye opening obviously points to Markus considering his TTS counterpart but who knows, it could be the inverse. I could see Son-In-Law be a lot, LOT more monstrous down the line in this series >HIS SUET SHALL FEED AND WARM HER GULLET. THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW
So the Prince is going to eat Markus. Cool cool cool. At least, that's what I'm thinking. Did the Prince of North-Norfolk get confirmed to be the Unshaven Tremere Reagent? I forget, but I've been thinking the whole time the Prince is female in their area. Or it could be that woman from Episode 1! >THE PATRIARCH, IN MASTERING LUNA, ENDS HAMSTRUNG... HE WILL WISH DEATH UPON HIS FLESH, BUT NO MERCY SHALL BE GIVEN, FOR NONE HE HATH GAVE.
Big D is going to suffer, possibly in one of the outer planes of WoD? I'm not too familiar of the stuff outside our "realm", but Big D will be stuck in wherever Mastering Luna is.
sure > thine faeder, laid bare... desiccated on the rocks, by thy hand. the abbot will know
the fae maybe? >of two, one falls... one rises. damnation. the third eye opens. his suet will feed and warm her gullet. the abbot will know
maybe
Tremere and Saulot. one turns to a high lifeform and damns the other. saulot wakes up and takes over the boys.
>the patriarch, in mastering luna, ends hamstrung... he will wish death upon his flesh, but no mercy shall be given, for none he hath gave
Werewolf. The war to take everything over and enslave luna ends the path that would have fixed the world. second part is confusing but maybe it has to do with dancers and no skinwalkers will help for the shitty things they done. >the rising three shall signal wars end. woe and triumph. the abbot, will know.
the Triat maybe
>from them... bloodshed. armageddon for all.kine, kindred, garou, milklings, elohim. in the light, they all will
Gehenna
>WHAT IS IT THOUST SEE...? >DOTH THINE EYES... SEE IT... ORACLE? >GAZE INTO... MINE CRIMSON MIASMA. >THINE FAEDER, LAID BARE, DESICCATED BY THY HAND... THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW >OF TWO, ONE FALLS. ONE RISES. DAMNATION. THE THIRD EYE OPENS. HIS SUET SHALL FEED AND WARM HER GULLET. THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW >THE PATRIARCH, IN MASTERING LUNA, ENDS HAMSTRUNG... HE WILL WISH DEATH UPON HIS FLESH, BUT NO MERCY SHALL BE GIVEN, FOR NONE HE HATH GAVE. >THE RISING THREE SHALL SIGNAL WARS END. WOE AND TRIUMPH. THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW. >FROM THEM... BLOODSHED. ARMAGEDDON FOR ALL.KINE, KINDRED, GAROU, MILKLINGS, ELOHIM. IN THE LIGHT, THEY ALL WILL...[Door wakes up]
>THE RISING THREE SHALL SIGNAL WARS END. WOE AND TRIUMPH. THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW.
So this one's a bit tricky, because it'll be the remainder of the hit list I've just theorized. Boy is definitely one of the Three. Then either Kitten/Markus, whoever still Team Hunter (most likely Kitten), and the third will be....... Kevin? I fricking hope it's Kevin oh my GOD. >FROM THEM... BLOODSHED. ARMAGEDDON FOR ALL.KINE, KINDRED, GAROU, MILKLINGS, ELOHIM. IN THE LIGHT, THEY ALL WILL...[Door wakes up]
Aaaaand it'll end up making things a FRICKLOAD worse, possibly kickstarting WoD End Times
I think it's not 'Mastering Luna' as a proper noun, but that Big D will master (as in dominate/seize control of/come to a greater understanding of) something related to the moon (Luna) or werewolves, and suffer a fate worse than death as a result.
I don't think that's how it works, as it's literally the Old/Middle English way of informally referring to 'you' along with 'Thou' and 'Thee' and the rest of those words, buuuuut English is a terrible bastard language which has mutated beyond recognition so I'll accept that there's probably some weird case where you're right.
Horus comforting Malal was touching and reminded everyone that before the Heresy he was a good caring man
2 years ago
Anonymous
He even offered hot cocoa to Malal. The madlad was a great guy before his fall.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sons of Horus > Ultrasmurfs
2 years ago
Anonymous
why did he do it, bro?
why?
the empire could've been so beautiful
2 years ago
Anonymous
Horus wasn't exactly firing on all cylinders even before that FRICKER Erebus dicked him over and the Ruinous Powers got their claws into him, he's hardly to blame for his fall.
Granted if you take some of the books into account Big E planned for exactly this scenario to occur, he just didn't expect how severely fricked Horus would get in the process.
2 years ago
Anonymous
he was supposed to be the best of them
was his father and brothers' love not enough?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Horus was a good man >Warmaster, Favored Son, Respected by All >Routinely betrayed >Mindraped so hard he might as well be a different person >Soul OBLITERATED from all of reality, the only character in the setting explicitly nuked into non-existence >No chance for Redemption, to see the Imperium for how it is now, to reject his loathsome Masters and come back to the Emperor's Light
Morty better shape the frick up and take the chance his brother will never have
2 years ago
Anonymous
pretty sure the other primarchs would just kill him
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes but not really.
Also shows up in the Retconium in the fan questions episode
Frickin' shit... I didn't even know that. Now I gotta rethink this real qui- >THE THIRD EYE OPENS. HIS SUET SHALL FEED AND WARM HER GULLET. THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW
...Oh.... Oh no....
Reminder that the Abbot refers to a high ranking vampire or ghoul who acts as a priory to the Sabbat.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So the question remains: exactly who is the Abbot?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Possibly Kevin, but I'm pretty sure it's the robed woman we saw overlooking the tunnels in the first episode.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Fiddler, yeah.
Not sure if she's pic related or that's the regent
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah.
Caine also had three childer.
[...] >three rises
oh frick
>third eye
Oh frick!
welp, time to rewatch the credits
2 years ago
Anonymous
>third eye >rising three
2 years ago
Anonymous
oh, you just made this a lot easier >THINE FAEDER, LAID BARE, DESICCATED BY THY HAND... THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW
Boy might be a were something, transform, frenzy, and kill his father or kill door on accident some other way. The ghoul will be there to see it. >OF TWO, ONE FALLS. ONE RISES. DAMNATION. THE THIRD EYE OPENS. HIS SUET SHALL FEED AND WARM HER GULLET. THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW
Kevin turns Door to 'save' him and may in some form achieve Golconda or display his skill in Auspex (the vampiric third eye) before being diaberlized by the regent or fiddler. >THE PATRIARCH, IN MASTERING LUNA, ENDS HAMSTRUNG... HE WILL WISH DEATH UPON HIS FLESH, BUT NO MERCY SHALL BE GIVEN, FOR NONE HE HATH GAVE.
Big D fricked Luna (possibly literally) and she is pissed. Door's turning might drive him suicidal but due to some supernatural condition he cannot die. >THE RISING THREE SHALL SIGNAL WARS END. WOE AND TRIUMPH. THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW.
Three. The third generation maybe. Could be Door, Kitten, and Marckus though.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Given the last bit where Horse namedrops all the major splats, the rising third are definitely the third generation. Ravnos waking up is the big signal for Time of Judgement to begin.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah.
Caine also had three childer.
The Fiddler, yeah.
Not sure if she's pic related or that's the regent
>Embraced or worse, and Kitten rises? Third eye opening obviously points to Markus
what if Markus gets embraced by a Salubri or somethinmg?
tho if that where the case Salubri can only embrace or even feed on people who fully consent to such a thing, which means Markus would ya know need to be all for becoming a vamp
Everyone likes to shit on Tremere, but they managed to survive despite every clan fricking hating them, nearly wiped out a clan, and their antedeluvian at least isn't a total butthole during Gehenna if he overcomes or escapes Saulot.
Tremere himself was actually a power enough mage to summon the collective name of humanity to frick Tzimisce, at least in the scenarios where Tzimisce doesn't hijack it.
What I hearing is that despite how frightening it seems things are going to get way worse.
Also I honestly think Big D might be Jesus, but that's just because he's probably super old, middle eastern, and seeking redemption for others. I also know nothing about World of Darkness, so I don't know if the position has been filled already.
Eh, Jesus is kinda maybe sorta implied to be fake and Christianity used as a tool by various clans to lord over mortals and use against each other.
Right now, we know several things.
>Big D is a meth killer >Big D had a father and brothers >Big D was betrayed by his sons before
Jesus is somewhat real.
The actual validity of his claims and such just depend on what game and what you decide.
VtM: God is real/caine is real so Jesus can be real
Werewolf follows Gaia
Mage is literally up to the belief based reality to discern
Hunter and Demon both make the VtM stuff real again
I was expecting it but it still took me off Guard when Horse started talking.
Does anyone know what he was talking about? I assume there were cryptic references to WoD lore and it seemed like he was implying Boy is some sort of Oracle.
Also, Karl's song at the end was lots of creepy fun!
Okay so from what I gather from the audio dramas and this thread: >Big-D
Not a normal human, possibly centuries old, knows too much of the supernatural and knows the risk of having said knowledge. Possibly got caught by Kevin and Pyotr on purpose to give family a chance. Abhors the idea that someone can "own" a part of the earth. >Door
Seems human. Though staying in one spot for 6 hours for a single boar and ending up with too much boar to count is suspicious. >Marckus
99% sure he's human. Him walking with just his crutches is impressive but I'll chalk that up to D-genes. Him saying the family's blood is too thin to take aspirin is weird and makes me think someone is pulling a gaff that the whole family is very high generation thin-bloods but that's moronic and has nothing to do with aspirin. >Kitten
Maybe human maybe werecat. Taking on a vampire and winning is very suspicous. >Boy
Not human. Able to carry countless boar (they're about 170 pounds) in a short period of time is not human. Being able to drink absinthe like water is not human, at least at his age. Seeing shifting images in blood splatters is not human. Might be a were-whatever. Might be magically inclined (is called oracle). >Horse
Not sure what's going on with him. Someone ITT said a malkavian might have ghoulified Horse. That sort make sense but vomiting blood because of it does not. Alfa could be taking extreme liberties of the lore and say Horse was sired by a malkavian. Aabbt kindred was seemingly retconned so it's not cannon anymore, but it would, unfortunately, make a lot of sense. Horse could have been sired recently and started having the usual malkie thoughts. He wants to share these visions with his family but he can't speak human so he does the next best thing: vomits blood. He does this for everyone until someone interprets his message; the boy in this case. Also the medicine made him vomit blood. >Krakus
Idk, maybe the malk who gave Horse his vampire aids?
What do you all think?
Boy being an Oracle would mean he'd explode the instant he did anything flashy because Paradox. But given Haight is a thing, there's no reason he couldn't be a Fera AND some fricked up Oracle fusion. Might even explain why Big D seemingly knows so much about the war between Garou and the Wyrm.
Horse was seeing the future, could be he was refering to Boy as his future title.
Could also be using our definition of oracle: a medium of the divine. The divine in this case would be Horse or whomever is controlling Horse.
I took the blood thing as a reference to him having lost a great deal of blood during the fight with Pyotr, and still having wounds which are in the process of healing. Which would make it a bad idea to consume a medication which may cause or worsen bleeding.
>Though staying in one spot for 6 hours for a single boar and ending up with too much boar to count is suspicious.
Dis homie never went hunting or fishing before
yep, it's the fricking credits sequence >laid bare >dessicated by thy frick huge hand >the abbot is the fiddler standing in the center, seeing it all happen
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Reaper_(WTO)
Maybe Big-D is the reaper, not in the sense that he's a wraith but in one that he removed someone cauld. And not that he wants death but that he wants his title of reaper to die.
Milklings are changelings: humans kidnapped by True Fae from one of the weirdest astral planes. Exposure to the plane and Fae influenced their nature to become supernatural, giving them super powers.
The dreaming/ old world changeling are just people whose prior lives used to be faeries and their souls reawoke to it. They need to be childish and whimsical or else their fairy souls go back to sleep and they become average Joes who forget all the fun fairy adventures they had and just assume they were dreams/ childhood games of pretend, and if asked about it will go "Yeah, I pretended I was a fairy queen as a little girl, why are you still doing it?".
That's the banality. Old World changeling literally are fighting against the dullness of reality
Unlike their counter parts in changeling the lost, who you mistook for them, who are fighting to recover from fae torture and to NOT fall unrecoverable from reality by retreating into fantasy.
They're basically the exact opposite, and I have a theory the dreaming changelings are actually the true fae of changeling the lost, cause their ghouls really resemble lost changelings
So the changelings D would encounter are Chuunis with magical powers. And the ones the other guy though of, are magic abuse victims who are trying not to become real fairies.
could've sworn it was the other way
then again, they're fricking changelings
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nope. Here's an easy guide. If it's old world, they're manchildtrn trying to cling to the hope and innocence of childhood against the unrelenting March of normality.
If it's new world, they got raped by the mad hatter and the easter bunny
2 years ago
Anonymous
i meant changelings are worthless and forgettable
2 years ago
Anonymous
Less than demon or mummy, bout equal with Geist and prometheans, who they share a podium with beneath hunter, werewolf, mage and vampire. But you're right about dreaming changelings, they're the same bottom tier as demon and mummy, and that's cause they simply don't fit the tone of world of darkness
Which is why NwOd changelings became abuse survivors. Who fun fact, one of the awakenings of mages, I believe fate or time, has the soon to be mage go to a dinner party in Arcadia as an honored guest
Where they're served by still trapped and enslaved changelings, as their true fae masters treat the mage cordially as they play the role of kindly fairy royalty. Probably just to torment their changlingd more, tbh
2 years ago
Anonymous
based fae
2 years ago
Anonymous
Shit, those mages probably eat and drink with the fine China, which are also changelings made into dinner and Glass where, given the sharpest knives and cutlery, also changelings, sat in the finest and most luxuriously soft chair, which is also a changeling, as they drink wine grown from their hosts vineyards, which has more changelings in it than fairy trees, enjoying a finely prepared meal made by changelings and made of changelings
Before they move onto a light desert of cake, which is also a changeling, in the smoke room beneath the singing crystal chandler, also a changeling, and their pond of lounging mermaids, also all changelings
2 years ago
Anonymous
god, i love those wacky ass true fae
into the rape basement~
2 years ago
Anonymous
Really it's a great set up for a minor conflict of a mage stumbling into a freehold and expecting to be treated as am honored and beloved guest by the changelings there.
Like a plantation owner visiting a free family of former slaves
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
Also I didn't list beast or deviant, cause no will ever play beast or use them as anything besides a guiltless target in hunter. And cause Deviant hasn't been around long enough to be measured with a stick
2 years ago
Anonymous
Changelings from CTD are rape babies while Changelings from CTL (which is the current setting) are lost Fairy spirit otherkin larpers
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Jesus is somewhat real.
The actual validity of his claims and such just depend on what game and what you decide.
VtM: God is real/caine is real so Jesus can be real
Werewolf follows Gaia
Mage is literally up to the belief based reality to discern
Hunter and Demon both make the VtM stuff real again
Damn, I want to know what the deal is with the Worm and whatever those two other W names I keep seeing thrown around are and how they affect Vampires.
What the frick are the "milklings" that Horse mentioned, at least?
going to do a huge lore dump which might also be spoilers based on what was explained above but basically in mage, all humans warp reality based on what the masses collectively believe is real which is supported by demon which claims that in the past, contradictory timelines existed on multiple layers of reality.
there are only two timelines that you really need to understand that explains every supernatural group:
the abrahamic one where caine was cursed by god to be the first vampire while the imbued are created by angels and demons are fallen angels.
the other timeline is one with gaia as the spirit of the world who the werewolves believe created them with the other three spirits of the metaphysical trinity: the wyld, the weaver and the wyrm. The Wyld is the creative force/chaos while the Weaver is order/stasis and the Wyrm the force of decay and necessary destruction.
(going to explain real fast that in Mage, the part of one's soul that allows humans to warp reality is refered to as the avatar)
Mage is kind of the middleman between these two timelines as in the past, Angels were the ones who helped lead avatars to mages and in demon, the avatars are refered to as "shards of divinity" that are embedded in every human. Mage also shares the trinity which they refer to as Dynamic/Pattern/Primordial essence (but mages and werewolves disagree on whether the spirits are the representations of these concepts or the ones generating them)
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Changelings from CTD are rape babies while Changelings from CTL are lost fairy spirit otherkin larpers
Other way around moron.
CtD changelings are lost spirit otherwise larpers
CtL, which is not the current setting, but is the Chronicles version of changeling, are the rape babies
2 years ago
Anonymous
my bad, forgot to check for typos
2 years ago
anonymous
Everyone is right. No one is wrong. Reality got shattered in a primordial event. The various shards lost their references in each other and thus, left on their own, went to their own logical extremes through self reference.
Don't forget that Chronicles Changelings can also be Playmates, who were treated well by their True Fae Keepers in Arcadia, acting as literal playmates in many cases. Then the Gentry got bored of them and tossed them away, leaving a broken person with heaps of abandonment issues.
The True Fae are c**ts.
So the changelings D would encounter are Chuunis with magical powers. And the ones the other guy though of, are magic abuse victims who are trying not to become real fairies.
Eh, not sure which I'd prefer to get the D
Big D would get along well with Dreaming Changelings, since he also seems to despise reality being ceaselessly marched into a death of dream and hope and childish whimsy (thank you Technocrats and Weaver). He'd probably get along better with those CtL Changelings who aren't fully broken, but I can definitely see him trying to comfort those who are. Then he makes plans to kill the True Fae.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This makes me think, besides who he's already stated as enemies he has no qualms of killing (Antes, Caine, Leeches, etc), who do you think would be on Big D's shit-list, and who do you think he'd spare or sympathize with, like Kevin? Obviously it depends on how the HunterFam interacts with them, but I'm guessing most Garou Tribes would probably not be as cordial as our ragtag band of Sabbat rejects.
I hope Alfa is encouraged by all the feedback from Hunter to really continue it forward, though I am itching to see his Half-Life parody soon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well going off his stated goals anyone who either wants to be human or at least "humane" would be in his good boy coloumn.
The unapologetic buttholes, of which WoD is full of mind you, would be on his kill list.
Like a werewolf that's just minding his business and trying to keep Gaia safe without having to resort to mass murder, nice guy could probably share a stolen beer with.
Mage using humans as either ingredients or experimental material, shotgun right in the gussy, and if they don't have one he's going to make one.
2 years ago
Anonymous
In terms of enemies, the NWO (and probably the rest of the Technocrats by extension) is obvious. Weaver and Wyrm are obvious, though the Weaver is kind of the lesser immediate problem. The Traditions are fully capable of hosting evil monsters, so it depends on who he meets first. Most Garou are dicks and I doubt they'll make a gods impression outside of the Children of Gaia (who are slightly less dicks), Changelings are just a race of chuuni's so they'll get along SUPER WELL with Big D. Wraiths would earn his sympathy, but that's assuming he meets any before they get spirit-nuked out of existence. Many Demons aren't really evil, just warped from their time following the Fall, so I can see him treating most decently barring the very worst Earthbound.
If we include Orpheus, then he might end up sympathizing with Grandmother even if he recognizes that she's destroying the multiverse.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What would be the most likely tribe of Garou they could encounter? If it's Black Furies, Gets of Fenris, or especially Red Talons we can expect things to go south very quickly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Depends. Which tribe is most likely to be congregated around Norfolk?
2 years ago
Anonymous
wichever operates near england
not counting gnawers ofc, those are a given
2 years ago
Anonymous
Big D has stated to Kitten that Garou are fighting a war they hardly understand. Big D might know of the Wyrm shenanigans and Pentex, but not all of it.
The Black Spiral Dancers are def on the shitlist for being literally EVIIIIIIIL. The Black Furies, amazonian men haters, would prolly attack them on site first as well.
The Mages and Changelings are also dependent on the mage/changeling. Mages seek to change reality, their evil counterparts like Marauders/Nephandi are crazy bastards Big D would try to put down. Changelings have Unseelie and Seelie counterparts, but neither are exactly evil per se, they are bastards at times.
The changelings have counterparts born of nightmares too, Thallain. Shit like Goblins, Skinwalkers, Ogres and such.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He didn't even know what Vaulderie/Vinculum was, he's more versed in Tremere/Camarilla lore than overall kindred one
Also its pronounced clan Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrruuujjjah!
Isn't it OLD Changeling that are the kidnap victims? The LARP Changlings are the newer ones. In the original Changeling, you get drawn in to The Hedge (which is related to MAGE in some ways) and the risk here is accidentally getting caught on a thorn trying to get your way through it. Which is essentially your soul getting torn. Which puts you irreversibly closer to the nature of the fae. From there, your fate depends on the fae that ultimately grabs you and how they treat you. What kind of changeling you end up as. You could just as easily be treated as a fae's child as you could be treated as their new lamp. Or a pet bird in a cage. Or, say, a beloved pet cat.
Also Old Changeling is not necessarily weak, but the problem is very much in keeping with the theme of WOD at the time. Power comes at a price. You get closer to your fae nature. Changelings are only really powerful when they have essentially been lost to it. If I remember right, the implication is one can become a new true fae under the right circumstances. The whole fight in old changeling is trying not to slip away from humanity.
Kitten being a changeling who was treated like a fae's pet cat would be funny as hell. Also potentially appropriate. The confusion over the state of his parents could be that some other version of him lives with them. Who is actually just an enscrolled bundle of twigs. Some changelings just leave such a situation be for varying reasons (since to outsiders you look like you're the monster comming to kill their loved one). That said, this might create an issue with his double inherently desiring to kill him if they ever meet up.
Also would mean Kitten has a TRUE FAE stalking him. At all times. Near or far. You may escape The Hedge somehow, but your old master always wants you back.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>which is related to MAGE in some ways
If you believe Imperial Mysteries (the ultimate nWoD mage wank book in the sense that Masters of the Art is the ultimate oWoD mage wank book), the True Fae were one of the gods that the archmages tried to cast down back in the day. But being gods of time and fate, well, they just fricked off into a new timeline where they weren't wiped out. And that's how we got the Hedge, coexisting simultaneously with the much nicer Arcadia that Acanthus mages witness upon awakening.
2 years ago
anonymous
I was always fine with the basic assumption it's just a path in to the very realm mages want to ascend to. As it's also a representational sort of reality. It's just one of the many, many, parts of it. Neat, though.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Actually, True fae just play along with Acanthus mages in their awakening. Trying to frick with anything from or in Arcadia is one of the ways for Mages to get fricked hard and without lube.
However, True fae, and everything arcadia, follow fairy tale rules. So, for mages during awakening, they play the role of nice fairy kings and queens.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>isn't it OLD Changeling that are the kidnap victims? The LARP Changlings are the newer ones.
No. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. So let me explain again.
I have the New changeling books, Changeling the lost. I've read them from cover to cover, several They're the kidnapping victims.
Changeling the Dreaming, Old changelings, are the larpers who need to act childish and whimsical or they become normies.
The true fae, do not fricking exist in old world of darkness. Fetches, do not fricking exist in old world of darkness. The hedge does not fricking exist in old world of darkness Those are New world only, Changeling the lost only.
They are not in dreaming at all, which is the original changeling. How many times does this need to be explained, jesus christ
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nope, all that is Lost /nWoD.
Lost = you were abducted by buttholes from beyond, and you've been warped by the experience. Make a new life, because the buttholes from beyond put a doppelganger in your place when they took you.
Dreaming = you had a fairy soul inside you all along! This makes you a powerful dream creature, but being near mundane drudgery will harm you. You're part of a feudal society of nobles and commoners, go out and cause drama to bring magic back to the world.
That's glossing over loads, but basically that's the difference.
2 years ago
anonymous
Shame, I recall LOST being the actual interesting one.
The dreaming/ old world changeling are just people whose prior lives used to be faeries and their souls reawoke to it. They need to be childish and whimsical or else their fairy souls go back to sleep and they become average Joes who forget all the fun fairy adventures they had and just assume they were dreams/ childhood games of pretend, and if asked about it will go "Yeah, I pretended I was a fairy queen as a little girl, why are you still doing it?".
That's the banality. Old World changeling literally are fighting against the dullness of reality
Unlike their counter parts in changeling the lost, who you mistook for them, who are fighting to recover from fae torture and to NOT fall unrecoverable from reality by retreating into fantasy.
They're basically the exact opposite, and I have a theory the dreaming changelings are actually the true fae of changeling the lost, cause their ghouls really resemble lost changelings
theres another world called arcadia that is part of the metaphysical representation of humanity's dreams and ideals and at a certain point in history, got its connection severed from our world leaving many Fae spirits stranded.
Yeah, see, in New world/ Chronicles of darkness Arcadia is just fairy tale hell. Separated from the real world by the hedge, a place with a bunch of thorns that rip away pieces of your soul, off the grid changelings and a frickton of hobgoblins and other monsters.
Arcadia in NwoD is, rather than dreamland, is a place controlled by the true fae, who if you used equinox road, aren't just cruel, inhuman gods who like to kidnap mortals...for really any reason, they're instead sapient concepts and stories who have a number of avatars, who are the true fae in the rest of the books. True fae can be a cruel wizard, an enchanted ring, a living mansion, a man eating wizard, a sea goddess and pretty much anything else. An equinox road true fae will be several of those things at once, all seperate.
Oh and if you changeling reaches 0 clarity and 10 wyrd it's all but directly stated they transform into a new true fae. You lose control of them, and they March past tseparate. Oh and if true fae get trapped in trapped in the real world/ killed their, they become amnesiac who closely resemble changelings until something triggers their memory and they return to their old selves
They can take you to serve as a candle light, a chess piece, a hunting dog, a troll beneath q bridge, a living painting. Anything, which is why lost changelings can be so many different things
Milklings are changelings: humans kidnapped by True Fae from one of the weirdest astral planes. Exposure to the plane and Fae influenced their nature to become supernatural, giving them super powers.
although, changelings fricking suck as far as supernaturals go
at least they're not unimbued hunters
Changelings from CTD are rape babies while Changelings from CTL (which is the current setting) are lost Fairy spirit otherkin larpers
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going to do a huge lore dump which might also be spoilers based on what was explained above but basically in mage, all humans warp reality based on what the masses collectively believe is real which is supported by demon which claims that in the past, contradictory timelines existed on multiple layers of reality.
there are only two timelines that you really need to understand that explains every supernatural group:
the abrahamic one where caine was cursed by god to be the first vampire while the imbued are created by angels and demons are fallen angels.
the other timeline is one with gaia as the spirit of the world who the werewolves believe created them with the other three spirits of the metaphysical trinity: the wyld, the weaver and the wyrm. The Wyld is the creative force/chaos while the Weaver is order/stasis and the Wyrm the force of decay and necessary destruction.
(going to explain real fast that in Mage, the part of one's soul that allows humans to warp reality is refered to as the avatar)
Mage is kind of the middleman between these two timelines as in the past, Angels were the ones who helped lead avatars to mages and in demon, the avatars are refered to as "shards of divinity" that are embedded in every human. Mage also shares the trinity which they refer to as Dynamic/Pattern/Primordial essence (but mages and werewolves disagree on whether the spirits are the representations of these concepts or the ones generating them)
Anyways so the main antagonist in Werewolf is the Wyrm (and also partially the weaver) which for extremely complicated plot reasons has gone out of control and started turning people into Captain Planet supervillains where the loss of balance in the triat is degrading reality. So werewolves basically hate anything that is aspected towards The Wyrm/decay and thus have a rage boner towards all vampires. Most vampires inist that they are Cainites while the werewolves believe that they are wyrmspawn or a creation of the weaver who sucked on wyrmblood.
Also as an interesting note, Vampires with a high enough humanity score (which requires being a literal saint) do not register as Vampires when Werewolves use their Sense Wyrm ability.
I find it amazing that the Ratkin, who's whole schtick mind you is population control via induced plagues of the human population ala black death, still look good compared to the fricking werewolves.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Really, Pentex making the war wolves, horrid monsters that can only eat werewolf flesh, was an entirely good deed
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's just fricking hilarious that the more you learn about the werewolves it becomes less, "These are the champions of Gaia, the sworn protectors of the world and it's last line of defense" and more "These are the team killing fricktards that screwed us all over so hard that if you somehow managed to wipe them off the face of the earth it might get better instead of worse."
It should be noted that Sense Wyrm is mostly just an excuse for the Garou to kill you. It is heavily, heavily, HEAVILY slanted towards justifying their confirmation bias on all things non-Garou or their traditions being Wyrm-tainted.
To be fair TTS was never about the spess mehrens, it was always about the top dogs of the setting so making it a more personal thing as a group of hunters works better
Any idea what that Edwin guy actually was? Because, Kitten beat him in a close quarters fight which would be almost impossible unless kitten is a werecat. And Edwin's behavior would be quite strange for a vampire, the cutting open his victim to feed on organs, and being well known on his university campus. And his death too, the sun didn't rise but his body faded away.
Could be a thinblood? They're dangerous but still within the realms of a "normal" man being able to get a good few hits in.
Of course if he wasn't then Kitten is probably a fera of some sort or another(listening to Kitten he may have also been stabbed, which gives points to the werecat theory.) As for his nature they're called nagaraja.
These frickers, according to the wiki, are "artificial vampires" created by some ancient Indian mages (as in from India) pulling a Hellsing. Since they're not "natural" Cainite vampires they need flesh as well as blood.
wouldnt the technoboys have a vested intrest in keeping the masquarade up?
if the existance of vampires becomes public then the consensus of "magic aint real" takes a major blow
could turn apocalyptic really fast too
mages without the paradox leash are scary
I mean, they collared magic to begin with, cause their ancestors were mages who looked around and said "Wow, grinding up babies to make potions is kind of fricking evil" and all the evil overlords who eventually made the traditions said "Lol, what the frick you gonna do it, b***h"
And they influenced the collective consciousness of mankind to begin slowly locking away magic and fantasy shit. It started with the Backlash in the dark ages, Which only made there be a chance for magic to disastrously fail when performed poorly, then it progressed into the scourge in Renaissance, Which only reacted to the beliefs of the local populace, sometimes aiding and sometimes hindering magic
then in the 17th century it fully became Paradox, becoming fully negative and actively punishing the use of vulgar magic
They actually do in some places, mostly sabbat controlled areas.
The issue however is Vampires, Changelings, Werewolves and Wraiths are all immune to paradox. This is justified as being due to an ancestral memory or belief in things in the night. Werewolf's delirium is explicitly stated as such.
Changeling's banality is sort of like Dox, but its more just being extremely unimaginative and stagnant over specific disbelief in their reality.
Honestly if the werewolves weren't all murderous c**ts then them, the mages, and the changelings could just straight up frick the Weaver's day because that b***h is basically the main cause to all their problems.
It'd depend on which Mage and how they reach ascension basically.
Sons of Ether are scientific themselves, albeit a far more romanticized and personal view with psuedoscience and abandoned theories.
Virtual Adepts are leet hackers with super cool computer tricks to hack reality.
Both of which kinda fall into a weird middle ground with the Weaver, but if either of them do ascend, they might be able to fix both the Weaver and the Wyrm without destroying reality.
Speaking of the Sons of Ether, I hope if we get any Mages, they are gonna be from that tradition. They'd fit the techpriests more than the Technocracy.
House Thig of the Order of Hermes fits too.
We haven't seen him yet, but he's the Shit Shoveler character from the fantasy episode of TTS. They've made one or two references to him living in the area.
Very subtly. Or in the cases where they can cast vulgar magic and get away with it, usually either in the Umbra where Paradox doesn't apply or when the universe has decided to look away for whatever reason. Some also either have loopholes for evading the full brunt of Paradox or passing it off.
it only kicks them in the balls if a normie sees it
there are ways arround it, mostly be casting magic that can be explained away with logic
like a gun that never needs to be reloaded (maybe he reloaded when i wasnt looking) a granade with an extra mystical punch (must be special order stuff) or a sudeen lightning stike in a storm (shit happens), aka subtle magic
note if there are no normies arround, mages's powerlevel raises exponentially and they can turn a vampire or even a werewolf into a floorstain reliably
If you shoot a fire ball from a wand, that's vulgar as the sleeper knows it to be impossible.
But if you say, cause a molotov wienertail to explode into a fireball, that wouldn't cause any paradox as the sleeper would believe the molotov just exploded.
So it's misdirection?
If a mage tossed a bottle of water with a rag in it and made it burst into flames, it would work because everyone would assume it was a molotov?
could work
of course the more flimsy you excuse the more likely it is you explode your liver instead
of coures you could allways just tank the paradox backlash and cast it anyways, you can allways heal
i believe there is a group of sikh mages who see subtle magic as an insult and do vulgar magic exclusively
they fly arround in carpets and shit, they dont give a frick
Yeah, they arent a full on tradition because they usually fricking explode.
If they're lucky
Paradox backlashes are fricking wild. You know that scene in Harry Potter where a spell gone wrong accidentally causes him to lose the bone in his arm?
That would be what Paradox does to you if you're not careful.
A mage's familiar consumes some of his paradox each day. Otherwise a mage can use Prime to cancel out paradox with Quintessence or Correspondence to make it someone else's problem.
My take on Oracle was more that Boy has oracular ability, rather than anything like the mage Oracles (which, aren't those a New World thing anyway?)
Oracles are in both and are basically the same except in the old setting, they stopped just short of ascending.
It does when magic blatantly violates the accepted "Consensus" of what things should go. So if a mage goes "I CAST MAGIC MISSILE" paradox ensues because "we know that there is no such thing as people throwing magic fireballs from their finger tips", but if there a mage casts a fireball close to a gas pipe or leak, people have no problem accepting that a fire could happened due the gas getting ignited, because it's a consensus that gases are inflammable.
It's always fun getting into a new setting. Word of warning shit gets weird.
Like a lot of the stuff in this thread is kinda surface level, if you dig deeper you get to some really fricked up shit.
Only if we also get to bring up the human second class citizens of the werewolves getting their own forms by hunting down and skinning 5 of the frickers to get a beast mode.
Ahh, yet another excuse to bring up the penis worms
That poor priest, and he was even going to do a confession and a few hail mary's to show how remorseful he was. Ah well his fault for sticking his dick in a devil worshiping vampire shota who might also be a half insect centaur in his true form.
They're (mostly) animated vids and the discussion is way more constructive than the usual bullshit on Cinemaphile. As long as people don't try to make a general out of it I don't see the issue. That was pretty much the case with TTS anyway, threads just sprung up whenever there was a new episode and that was it.
Its long established that no Board can discuss its own topic well. Its why /tg/ used to be the greatest of boards, creative people taking what they liked from everywhere and being seriously frivolous
They're captain planet villains. They make beet that makes its drinkers become what seething frogs think Americans are like and temp tattoos that makes kids serial killers
Subsidiaries: A Guide to Pentex is genuinely hilarious because it fully embraces the Captain Planet villainy. As well as the evil beer they have subsidiary companies for oil, pharmaceuticals, toys, video games and, worst of all, the RPG company Black Dog, creators of Revenant: The Ravishing, Lycanthrope: The Rapture, and Warlock: The Pretension.
Frick, i just remembered Urist is running around Commoragh
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Urist is running around Commoragh
Fricking what, please explain how that happened.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Leman summoned him into reality
2 years ago
Anonymous
Watch this video to find out.
If you don’t give a shit and want the quick explanation, Leman uses his psyker potential to manifest Urist into existence before immediately setting him upon the nearest Dark Eldar like an attack dog.
>Human: the Protagonist
I can just imagine World of Darkness Cinemaphile equivalent making memes about Human:The Protagonist players being chads for no other reason than "The Protagonist" part
Also greentext >Be me >Play Human:The Protagonist >I am a human >I am one of the protagonists in the rpg
BRAVO BLACK DOG
2 years ago
Anonymous
>World of Darkness Cinemaphile equivalent
There's two, one for old and new. Old has Shrecknet (usenet for nossies) and New has VIIChan (which gets mentioned as occasionally picking on random vampires and getting them staked for the lulz*)
*This book was published 2008, so its a bit dated now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't know if Shrecknet really counts, but fair is fair, also isn't VII also a name of some weirdo vampire antagonist group with sleeper agents out of kazoo in Chronicles of Darkness?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I know its not 1:1, but I find that oWoD is so tied to the 90s (even if its carried on long after then) that Usenet seems like the closest comparison. Certainly the closest feel for occasionally malevolent literal basement dwellers,
And yeah, VII is an antagonist group in Requiem with several different takes you can use, but they're almost always vampires who hunt vampires (or at the very least make their unlives incredibly difficult) and they often have sleeper agents. VIIchan might be related to them or be a poor taste joke by the founder of the website. As the line went on, VII got looked at leass to focus more on kindred infighting and things like the Strix for out of context threats.
If you're vaguely interested in crazy monsters, the "Night Horrors" is a subline of books for antagonists. Requiem got two, Immortal Sinners for villainous vampires (where that snippet was from) and The Wicked Dead for strange things like Penanggalan or
this happy little fella, Cymothoa sanguinaria.
2 years ago
Anonymous
isnt there also hunter(chan)-net
2 years ago
Anonymous
I remember hunter.net is basically used to coordinate with other imbued and discourages you from posting personal information. I would imagine a lot of hunters would have threads about their personal hobbies anyways.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hunternet is basically Cinemaphile yeah, it's not supposed to be, but frick if the arguments in some of the Creed books don't seem like shit that would crop up here
2 years ago
Anonymous
It would be funny if hunters can figure out who is a vampire or not by how much they love human: the protagonist
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Anon1:Who the frick even plays Human:The Protagonist? It isn't even about slaying monsters and shit, you literally have to file taxes and buy groceries >Anon2:A plebian like you wouldn't get it >Anon3:bebethesalamanderseating.jpg >Anon4:t.vampires
2 years ago
Anonymous
At least one of these anons is an ancient vampire instructing their minions to type on their behalf. >"Is he mad?" >"He is very mad, my lord, though pretends otherwise." >"Good. Goooooood. Now thou'rt to call him an anused b***h and affix the image 'laughing nossies dot jaypeeg' as a reply. We shall see then what his next gambit is."
Ancient Roman vampires must have the time of their unlives with the ol' message boards. Although probably as hunt-and-peck typists.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130422164104/http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%20Pompeii.htm
It's funny because White Wolf/OPP unironically one-upped it's own self-parody by letting an actual sex offender publish Beast the Primordial, and putting the worst kind of Dracula cosplayer in charge of the project that got White Wolf so much bad press it had to rebrand as Onyx Path.
They're captain planet villains. They make beet that makes its drinkers become what seething frogs think Americans are like and temp tattoos that makes kids serial killers
They also run smoker support groups that turn you into a walking, smokestack that breaths nicotine at people, to make them by cigarettes. You also become immune to lung cancer, but only lung cancer and will die from the dozens of other cancers you smoke room lungs will give you
Hoping that eventually they'd do all the WoD books. First vampires, then hoping for Werewolves, Mages, Wraiths and eventually everything from the old WoD.
Sons of Horus > Ultrasmurfs
I do wonder if there was no Horus Heresy, would these two be the biggest rivals when it comes to tactics and strategies?
You make them sound like the speeshmehren equivalent of Hells Angels
2 years ago
Anonymous
nah
cartel
2 years ago
Anonymous
So why are the Black Templars not given shit for how much of a murdertrain they are?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do you think the imperium DOESN’T want a fanatically loyal murdertrain that kills xenos and demons with fervor that would make Khorne manage half of a grin?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thats the problem: it makes Khorne manage half a grin.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They want one as long as it's codex compliant
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thats just the Minotaurs
2 years ago
Anonymous
There are worse Marines in terms of friendly causalities, and the Black Templars believe in the Imperial religion so they actually get on ok.
The sketchiest shit about them is their number, which no one besides the Chapter Master really knows beyond "too many", but the Inquisition has decided to be ok with it so long as they don't group up too much.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Rough estimates I remember reading somewhere put them at 6000 which they justify as being OK since they put themselves on permanent crusade.
2 years ago
Anonymous
3rd-4th Ed. Codex and articles like Index Astartes from the time had notes and maps from in universe Inquisitors going "look, this doesn't add up given there's this many crusades reporting in right now"
>There usually numbers three or mare Crusades at any one time - their history shows that during the Treachery of Dalmark there were as many as fourteen Crusades fighting across the Segmentum Solar. The size of a Crusade can also vary widely, sometimes as few as fifty to one hundred Marines, sometimes the equivalent of several Companies from a Codex Chapter. Only the Black Templars themselves have even the roughest idea how many Black Templars Space Mannes there are, but it is obvious that they are far more numerous man most conventional Chapters, although dispersed over a much wider area. If certain accounts are taken to be true, then they could even be as strong as five to six thousand Battle-Brethren in total, a force which in the present lmperium would be all but unstoppable if ever gathered in a single place.
There was usually a little note saying something along the line of "Inquisitor So-and-so mysteriously disappeared after submitting this report, what a shame, probably fine". Similar thing to Inquisitors trying to find out more about these "Fallen" the Dark Angels are so interested in.
Thats the problem: it makes Khorne manage half a grin.
So why are the Black Templars not given shit for how much of a murdertrain they are?
The thing is that Black Templars can be so focused on being the most psychotic murderers they can be that they don't feel anything that Khorne can feed on. This was a duel between the OGs, Kharn the Betrayer and Sigismund, even Kharn was freaked out.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The thing is that Black Templars can be so focused on being the most psychotic murderers they can be that they don't feel anything that Khorne can feed on.
So their basicly going on autpilot when doing their thing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The thing is that Black Templars can be so focused on being the most psychotic murderers they can be that they don't feel anything that Khorne can feed on.
Ah yes, the Aenarion tactic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The thing is that Black Templars can be so focused on being the most psychotic murderers they can be that they don't feel anything that Khorne can feed on. This was a duel between the OGs, Kharn the Betrayer and Sigismund, even Kharn was freaked out.
You saying they're the "oh boy, here I go killing again" chapter?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Basically
2 years ago
Anonymous
>There are worse Marines in terms of friendly causalities
Marines Malevolent comes to mind
>Wait, you're BLACK >I'm what >Black >I don't know what race is, Milord
Paraphrasing but learning about Kitten's race had me in stiches, especially since it was coupled with the Custodes oily bullying
2 years ago
Anonymous
>What the frick? Yo are black, yet yo are shittalking other blacks. >THEN WHAT IN THE FRICK ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>What the frick? Yo are black, yet yo are shittalking other blacks. >THEN WHAT IN THE FRICK ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY?
>shows him the literal pitch black skin of Vulcan's children
oh
Did Blessed dog die recently? One of my other siblings besides the one who dog I walk her dog did died like a week and a half ago .Going to need to take some time off of story time to walk it's a wench who dog is alive.
If you read the intermissions, you'd know he was adopted and they found him as a feral child, who is suffering from "Puberty disease" which is why Dorn keeps him on an all meat diet
Dorn’s wife was a German-AMERICAN woman with a pronounced lack of humor and a hobby of watching paint dry. Dorn and her met when Dorn mistook her for a particularly bland stack of wood at a hardware store
Im glad they are using old world of darkness lore but that does make me a bit sad on some accounts. I personally prefer changeling the lost and think it has some interesting story hooks and angles. Promethean also has some neat stuff. But overall its the right choice,
I've been on /tg/ for years, and I don't think I've ever come across an account of an actual Dreaming game. Having looked through all the metaplots I have to say Dreaming comes across as the most pathetic of the lot. People rightfully shittalk the Garou, but the Changelings are literally dying slowly over time because of LOGIC and FACTS
I know exactly one person who goes to the bat for Dreaming and poo-poos Lost. He hasn't played either game yet, I'm prepping a Lost game right now. I'm prepared to accept Dreaming could be a goodish game, but the themes and mechanics encourage the worst of the fanbase.
Im glad they are using old world of darkness lore but that does make me a bit sad on some accounts. I personally prefer changeling the lost and think it has some interesting story hooks and angles. Promethean also has some neat stuff. But overall its the right choice,
What I find ironic is that they seem to be using the Hunter the Vigil rules as a base, which is nWoD. Vigil is also almost universally praised as better than Reckoning, and it has more variety of Hunters. Oh well.
It's funny because White Wolf/OPP unironically one-upped it's own self-parody by letting an actual sex offender publish Beast the Primordial, and putting the worst kind of Dracula cosplayer in charge of the project that got White Wolf so much bad press it had to rebrand as Onyx Path.
To clarify, Paradox bought out White Wolf and put Swedish Dracula in charge, leading to the Chechen International Incident disaster. Swedish Dracula did not care about anything other than oWoD larps, so what was left of the nWoD devs splintered into Onyx Path, which was much less hands off because they simply didn't have the staff and so freelancers and devs were trusted to work more independently. This led to the Beast rape fantasy disaster. We are trapped in this horrible timeline because the EVE Online developers were somehow less competent than the current mob.
>I know exactly one person who goes to the bat for Dreaming and poo-poos Lost.
I am sincerely, profoundly curious as to why. It can't be as simple as "Lost is too stupidly grimdark", right?
Simply put, its edition wars. They wanted to play oWoD but never actually managed it and simply read lots of the books. nWoD came across as betrayal of the entirely imaginary games they really believed in, so they didn't engage with any of the line (but still felt obligated to put the boot in). I can explain till I'm blue in the face about the interesting things about Lost, or that in practice Dreaming has way more weirdos as a percentage of the player base than any other owod gameline, but it doesn't go in. Old good, new bad. It's not even a unique phenomenon, especially in the WoD world, it's the fact it's Dreaming of all things that makes it peculiar.
This drove me up the wall, but I've solved the issue by calling their bluff and running a nWoD mortals oneshot (which they enjoyed) and I'm planning a short Lost and longer Vigil game now. If they're still that interested they can run a Dreaming game themselves after or anything really, I'd really like to be a player for once even just a session please it doesnt have to L5R or anything even D&D would be fine at this point
...shit, not going to lie: I actually do feel similarly about Exalted 3e relative to 2e. Although I do maintain that 3e's charm design and lore is legitimately badly set up to an alarming, inane and immersion-breaking degree despite the many flaws in 2e.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>an Exalted fan, of any edition
... you poor bastard
2 years ago
Anonymous
GOD YOU HAVE NO IDEA
NO UNDERSTANDING
OF WHAT IT IS LIKE, BEING AN INFERNALS FAN AND KNOWING JUST HOW FAR BACK ON THE QUEUE THEY ARE
On the plus side, judging from the Exigents draft the devs are slowly realising they lowered the power curve too much for Solars to the extent that they've warmed to the idea of large scale Essence level-boosted abilities even for the OC bargain bin Exalts who (mostly) aren't even supposed to be Solar-tier. Between them and Lunars, at the rate things are going by the time we get to Abyssals and Infernals they'll leave Solars in the dirt given how botched 3e core was.
>how botched was 3e core,
you ask? Let me put it this way: The War charmline was left half-unfinished so weaker Exalts have more a comprehensive showing of War charms than Solars likely ever will at the rate OPP published, and the book contradicts itself on whether or not Dragonblooded should be dealt with via mass combat.
Play Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines from 2004, though you have to mod the absolute shit out of it to get it playable and decent to look at. But it's a massive crash course into the setting while also being a fun as frick RPG. I'm still chipping away at my first playthrough, but there's 7 different character classes, 5 endings, and it's one of those good old RPGs where there are so many different endings and resolutions to quests that you might as well look at a 20 page flowchart to see all of the variations and dialogue. High, high quality stuff, I'm glad a buddy of mine recommended it right before Alfabusa released the first episode.
So how old, generally, do Kindred be in WoD without being hilariously OP? We all know 3rd and 4th Gen are broken, but those guys could be 4000+ years old. Would it be possible to meet an extremely old 8th or 9th gen from Classical Antiquity? Though Kindred who last more than a century are probably few and far between already considering how cutthroat WoD is.
With the exception of the Methuselah (who are at least as old as the tale of Noah's Ark/Jesus) it varies from generation to generation, but there's no fixed average for Kindred since it's all up to personal ability
Playable vamps in Masquerade range from 8th to 13th (with 13th being the standard gen, and 14th and 15th gen being thinbloods you need an expansion book to use). Dark Ages Vampire, the medieval game, has 7th to 12th as standard. 8th-9th gen are usually from about the 1300s. In theory you could have a classical era high gen vampire, but they'd have to be the result of a whole lot of vampires speedrunning the time of thin blood and then the old/high vampire being very lucky to survive to modern nights. If your ST approves though go for it. Old/low Methusalah vampires are right at the barely playable / storyteller fiat scale.
Requiem vampires have Blood Potency rather than generation, so there are definitely a few kicking about from the Ancient Rome era (and before!). Blood Potency increases over time automatically, and decreases when theyre resting in torpor. The problem is that Requiem vampires can lose their memories or get confused about events while in torpor, so they can wake up not remembering details about their last time awake. One of the big things these vampires do is try to set things up so that when they wake up they have trustworthy diaries to hand and getting paranoid about rivals changing them[/spoilers].
is there a specific reason why they couldn't just mix-and-match the stuff from Old and New WoD? It's not like it has to adhere 100% to the settings canon after all. Or would it just become a convoluted mess?
There's translation guides for the big 3 plus Demon, which are designed to help you port ideas from one setting to the other if they did want to mix and match. There isn't one for Changeling, however, and Dreaming vs Lost would be a complete flustercuck of themes combined. They're already mixing stuff up though, and its likely most people watching it will be casual fans, so the main barriers would come down to people like me, if I'm being honest having conniptions.
There's translation guides for the big 3 plus Demon, which are designed to help you port ideas from one setting to the other if they did want to mix and match. There isn't one for Changeling, however, and Dreaming vs Lost would be a complete flustercuck of themes combined. They're already mixing stuff up though, and its likely most people watching it will be casual fans, so the main barriers would come down to people like me, if I'm being honest having conniptions.
I don't know, given how much each splat is super convinced of their own version of reality, kludging LOST in to place shouldn't be hard. Fae bullshit is easy to explain away as Fae bullshit. It also becomes easy for me to see that each splat is only seeing part of the truth of a degenerated physical reality. In making splats work together at all, even if you used only all Old or New, you kind of have to deal with that anyway. Besides, every WoD game is going to be a bit homebrewy just from people's interpretations of the more open ended questions.
What I do know is that Kitten being a changeling, like some of the theories, would be super fricked for one reason. Inevitably a true fae is going to come looking for him.
True fae don't go after dreaming changelings, cause they aren't in Old WoD. There'd be nothing fricked up about Kitten Being a Dreaming changeling, because he fricking clearly isn't one cause he isn't dancing around tossing glitter and shit around and acting like a manchild. And it's obvious He isn't a Lost changeling, despite the obvious, because he also in no way resembles one
More likely, he's a baset or Baset kinfolk, considering his cat like attributes and the fact he kicked A nagajara out of a window while it was full up on vitae
The point of the post was how easily you could include what's needed with minimal issue, illiterate-san.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No you couldn't moron kun
2 years ago
anonymous
Yeah you could.
Yeah but the flavor really is the cherry ontop of that particular shit sundae
The base book was pretty obscure about exactly what was causing the powers. Giving it more of a strange vibe not knowing who or what was driving these compulsions. Which is what a 1E game of hunters need. How do you know you're even helping the situation?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You really couldn't.
2 years ago
anonymous
You really could.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nuh uh
2 years ago
anonymous
Yuh huh.
I roll manipulation + persuasion.
2 years ago
Anonymous
NUH UH!
I roll Brawl+ dexterity to kick you in the balls
2 years ago
anonymous
The true flaw of the storyteller system shows itself again...
>Inevitably a true fae is going to come looking for him.
Again, Don't exist in Old WoD. And they really haven't mixed World or Chronicles at all. They're just baseline hunters, those exist in OWoD, not every fricker who decided to go "Man I wanna kill vampires" was imbued. Those were the special hunters, most of them were average joes.
There's translation guides for the big 3 plus Demon, which are designed to help you port ideas from one setting to the other if they did want to mix and match. There isn't one for Changeling, however, and Dreaming vs Lost would be a complete flustercuck of themes combined. They're already mixing stuff up though, and its likely most people watching it will be casual fans, so the main barriers would come down to people like me, if I'm being honest having conniptions.
this guy as well. Since really, as a guy who prefers Chronicles, there's really nothing they've pulled from it. The hunters are just what hunters were before Imbued became a thing, which are normal dudes. Which Vigil hunters are, until they level up enough.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Inevitably a true fae is going to come looking for him.
Again, Don't exist in Old WoD. And they really haven't mixed World or Chronicles at all. They're just baseline hunters, those exist in OWoD, not every fricker who decided to go "Man I wanna kill vampires" was imbued. Those were the special hunters, most of them were average joes.
Yeah, that's why Vigil is one of the Chronicles splats preferred over its Old World counterpart. Reckoning made the mistake of, instead of putting you in the shoes of the scrappy motherfrickers who players had been stomping in Masquerade, Apocalypse or Ascension for years, they made them agents of god standing on equal footing. People wanted to play the Hunters who went after monsters with sheer grit and tenacity and cunning, not special snowflakes with angel powers that were added in above the NPC Hunters
Vigil learned from this mistakes, and focused on the little guys people had wanted Reckoning to be about, with an option to become Big scary frickers if you wanted.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, really, Reckoning's Imbued could be made a conspiracy without any trouble, at least fluff wise. Hunters really are the same in both settings
Besides that Vigil gives you more toys to play with a bunch of colorful groups like Ashwood Abey and shit
It would be super convoluted, even by the already convoluted standards of oWoD. Also, they just don't mix. The Uratha don't mix with the Garou or Fera because they aren't horrible murderous dicks who ruined literally everything, Awakening doesn't mesh with Ascension because the Supernal, Abyss and Exarchs make no sense in a setting where the Umbra and Technocracy exists, neither version of Changeling meshes, nor do the two versions of Demon, etc. It would just be a mess.
Precisely. Though for some reason the Uratha smacked a bunch of brineborn babies against rocks.
2 years ago
Anonymous
In fairness, not playing an Imbued is possible. It's just painful and hard compared to the alternative. Especially since unlike Imbued, you can't fall back on being completely off your gourd.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, but that's just playing a mortal. Which, really no one does. Like, its easier to do in Chronicles, but no ones gonna do it. Unless you're running like, an innocents game or something. In Old World, its a much greater pain in the ass, both from In game difficulty and from setting the game up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Really sounds like you should be playing a Hunter in Vigil you might as well just be roleplaying Alexander Anderson
2 years ago
Anonymous
Reckoning, how can you get that mixed up? Reckoning Hunters, the imbued were the ones given missions from god.
Vigil hunters are guys who, might find out they're decended from demons, or get a big enough goverment spook gig to get a laser gun, or become a labrat for psionic powers, or become a fricking slasher, or my favourite, FRICKING FLEECE/ SCAM SUPERNATURAL POWERS AWAY FROM MONSTERS
2 years ago
Anonymous
Man your reading comprehension is shit
Reckoning, how can you get that mixed up? Reckoning Hunters, the imbued were the ones given missions from god.
Vigil hunters are guys who, might find out they're decended from demons, or get a big enough goverment spook gig to get a laser gun, or become a labrat for psionic powers, or become a fricking slasher, or my favourite, FRICKING FLEECE/ SCAM SUPERNATURAL POWERS AWAY FROM MONSTERS
Personally, my favourite compact are the nerds who learned how to make it so they record supernaturals, like vampires and ghosts. And they're specifically mentioned as being close to becoming a full blown conspiracy, just because of that.
2 years ago
anonymous
>Reckoning made the mistake o
No, reckoning made the mistake of literally not being playable as written. Literally does not work as written. There's no way to get any number of mechanics to actually work without the ST making up rules for them to work.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well yeah, but the angel powers thing was also a mistake
2 years ago
anonymous
Most of which, even if the ST realized they need to handcraft a system to actually get them, don't do much to help you. And then drive you insane for getting something on the tier of protecting you from a stubbed toe.
There's a lot of reasons to forget 1E hunter exists. The flavor wasn't really the issue.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah but the flavor really is the cherry ontop of that particular shit sundae
It would be super convoluted, even by the already convoluted standards of oWoD. Also, they just don't mix. The Uratha don't mix with the Garou or Fera because they aren't horrible murderous dicks who ruined literally everything, Awakening doesn't mesh with Ascension because the Supernal, Abyss and Exarchs make no sense in a setting where the Umbra and Technocracy exists, neither version of Changeling meshes, nor do the two versions of Demon, etc. It would just be a mess.
the fae and some of the werewolves have historically worked together (namely the fianna) so having the true fae be complete buttholes would be akward. Compared to nWod, the major theme of oWod is the loss of wonder and beauty in the world due to an overabundance of weaver/pattern influence and the loss of arcadia means that the fae are greatly weakened and cant so the rape baby stuff even if they wanted to. The role of the seelie fae are supposed to be inspirations and muses to the mortals fighting for the return of wonder to the world.
Yeah, they just aren't compatible. Like Dreaming stands out from the rest of the OWoD splats, but you can't just slot in Lost in its place, as much as I'd like to.
Not Requiem vampires could be easily switched out, comparatively
What's wrong with the hoarse?
Too many secrets
FRICK, we're back already, lads? Great too see ya again, it's been what, 12 hours?
Can't wait to see Horse and here some juicy backstory on our dysfunctional family.
Who is krakus and why does he howl like a deathly demon in the middle of rain storm
We haven't seen him yet, but he's the Shit Shoveler character from the fantasy episode of TTS. They've made one or two references to him living in the area.
How loathsome.
Krakus would Low diff dung eater
That’s a deep cut.
Helped that someone linked the Fantasy special during the conveniently timed thread that 404'd like 12 hours before Bruv released the new episode.
Huh, Horse seems to be an actually horse........weird.
Isn't there a whole bunch of homosexuals in it?
No, that would be you. You have many homosexuals in you right now.
>Boy drank absinthe
NO
>finds absinthe on the floor
>without a pause immediately starts drinking it
Boy what the frick
it looks and smells like candy, sort of
Licorice, Devils Candy
Absinthe is no different than any strong spirit. It being a hallucinogenic was a myth spread by winemakers to try and keep it from cutting into their profits
Yeah, but like why is the small child immediately gunning it for the booze as soon as it becomes available?
Motherfricker takes ayahuasca with his grandpa. Booze is like a capree sun to boy
Well, depends on what kind of Absinthe you drink.
No it doesn't. Green fairy is a myth made by butthurt frogs
Dunno, I've heard it from people who tried it, tho it was in Czechia.
I drink Absinthe. They were just trying to sound cool or got served laced drinks.. it just a strong, anice flavored liquor. Strong as hell, but not anything more. Really pleasant actually, if you cut it with some ice water till it looks like pearl water.
Also like to mix it with grapefruit juice, since the tartness compliments its flavor. Only gays do the sugar cube thing though, but it is French In origin so I'll allow it
I dont exaggerate when i say that caught me more off guard than anything else in a good long while across all media, the inmediate utterance of his "bottom's up" was incredible, as in i could not believe it when i heard it.
It's pretty funny, cut through the "heckin' wholesome adornable and boy" bullshit real nice. The consequences are more than little post traumatic quips like "it's like deathmatch in real life", they drive Boy to drink.
Boy is built different. He can handle anything. Including absinthe.
Boy not being a soft baby was obvious from his whole "I shot a b***h" moment after the Pyotr fight.
Yeah but even the "I shot a b***h" line is basically a cute joke, Boy saying "hood gangster" shit that contrasts with his cinnamon bun personality and appearance. There is nothing cute about Boy identifying absinthe and then slamming it back in short order. There's no layer of humor or irony insulate it, it's just dark.
Also, he stayed up past his bedtime.
From what Door said, it sounds like Boy drinks often. Also, he has coffee at his age.
I think he's fricking invincible
boys isnt being rised to be a b***h
also, europe is way, way more lax with that kind of stuffs
absinthe is a bit too much tho
The horse seems fine tbh
HOLY SHIT HORSE IS POSSESSED
Is... horse possessed?
Any lore gays know what the frick is afflicting this poor animal?
Is.... is... horse a fricking werehorse or some shit????
Low generation Vampire
A thin blood horse? I didn't even know you could embrace animals.
I thought I heard somewhere you can ghoul animals, but that would sort of make Animalism Discipline a bit redundant.
Low generation = stronger
High = weaker and eventually thin blood, which fun fact, actually shifted to a higher minimum generation between dark ages and modern nights
Ghouled animals are better. And much deadlier. It's why you don't frick with nossies. The rats...good lord the rats
The Horse Heresy begins
Horse seems to be telling boy about Gehenna, so methinks Horse is a Malkavian ghoul
might be a bane or wyrm related creature
those are know to be rotting and decrepit things
would not play nice if it was tho
Like two of the other guys said, I'm leaning towards Wyrm entity
Probably a Wyrm creature, which is Werewolf lore. They believe there's something called the Triat, which consist of the Wyld, who creates all things, the Weaver, who orders all things, and the Wyrm, who destroys all things. This is a natural cycle, but has been thrown out of balance recently and everyone is worried it's heading towards the apocalypse.
Most werewolves think Wyld = Good and Weaver and Wyrm = Bad. The Weaver is heavily tied to the rise of humanity and technology, while the Wyrm is more associated with the supernatural darkness like vampires.
Keep in mind, this is all werewolf lore. They ascribe vampires to the Wyrm, but vampires themselves have absolutely nothing in their own mythology that resembles the Wyrm. So it's possible werewolves are wrong. Likely, even.
As far as Horse goes, that looks pretty close to Wyrmshit, but he's remarkably friendly for one. He's probably an Aughisky, which is a horse-type of Fomori (possessed creature) possessed by a Bane (spirit who willing serves the Wyrm), though the physical description of an Aughisky says they're black horses with the head of wolves. Likely a reference to Hours and his wolf association, if that form is one Horse will eventually turn into and isn't just being written out for sake of having a fun reveal.
In summary, we don't really know because the closest thing we can find should probably have killed and eaten Boy rather than try to warn him about the future.
>though the physical description of an Aughisky says they're black horses with the head of wolves. Likely a reference to Hours and his wolf association
Frick. Shit. Dammit men, he's cracked the code.
KARL LUTE SOLO LETS FRICKING GOOOOOO!
What will you do when your grandma comes for you?
I think D is a grandson of the Grandmother
wasn't expecting Karl to sing good... and I want his mask for larping
What we know about Horse
1 - He's a gift D. got from his "Parents" with emphasis on the multiple
2 - he might be some kind of psychic/mental construct.
3 - The beast is demonic in nature.
So either
1. D is a high level vampire and Horse is basically a ghoul running off of low generation blood.
2. D is some kind of supernatural entity (possibly Gaia or Malfean related, probably Malfean given the reference to a Grandmother)
3. The stories are false leads and D. just befriended a demonic horse.
I like the idea that D is a changeling tbh.
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORSE
So that Kindred Son-In-Law killed, he was a Nagaraja, right? I don't even think I've heard of this Vampire clan yet, but maybe I just forgot about it bashing my brains trying to remember all 13 clans and all the specifics.
either that or some kind of Skinwalker
It was a nagajara. They're not a full clan, but a bloodline who might not even be proper cainites if you believe the origin story they preach.
Other bloodlines include the daughters of cacophony, the samedi, a bunch of random shit in Africa including another batch of vampires that aren't cainites if you believe their creation myth...Two different types of fairy vampire...lots of shitty extinct ones to
But not the drowned legacies of South America. Those motherfrickers might not even be vampires
And bloodlines in VtM are different than Bloodlines in VtrR, where they're subsects/ specializatons/ evolutions of existing clans.
In VtM bloodline just means any lineage too small and rare to be considered a clan.
>But not the drowned legacies of South America. Those motherfrickers might not even be vampires
The... the WHAT?
We don't know much about them, and what we do know is from becket's jihad diary. They're...strange and have abilities and banes unlike any other vampire. but the regional Sabbat and camarilla are scared shitless of them, and they're the reason they can't get a foothold down there. Cause they'll just murder them.
And it's theorized They may be a breed of vampires unconnected to cane, or a type of entirely different monster that simply...mimics what's around, and vampires are their current mask.
They're called the drowned legacies cause they held a reign of blood over the land long before any cainite stepped foot on the Americas
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Drowned_Legacy
Here's their wiki page. Real spooky motherfrickers
>The Karai Pyrahe are native from Peru to Argentina. They recognize a forthcoming descendant named Tunchi, who gifted them the powers to imitate the sounds of any creature, walk without making a sound or leaving a trace, and contort their way through impossibly small spaces. Tunchi has not yet been born. When he is, he will reclaim his power.
What...what does that mean?
Reminds me of Santana from the Pillar Men
The Wheel turns
>Mysterious South American vampire-adjacent entities that scare the shit out of vampires
Sounds.. familiar
Whatever your GM wants it to mean. Old WoD is full of headcanon plothooks like that.
Could've just been a Tzimisce with the flaw that they have to eat flesh to replace their own weird Samedi-like rotting.
There's a flaw where you think you have to eat organs along with blood, end up vomiting them up later if you don't have Eat Food or similar
Freaking out about the coffee feels like a clue to something too, but maybe that's just regular Kindred autism about keeping up appearances.
Also, I know any Kine actually surviving a Kindred encounter is rare, let alone killing one, but is it really that far fetched in WoD? I know baseline humies are really just the fodder for the setting, but considering Hunters, all the supernatural shit around humans, and whatever human resistances and tricks they have up their sleeves, it feels like everyone calling Kitten a Werecat is a bit of a leap. People get lucky sometimes, especially protagonists, y'know.
It could have been a very low-generation Vamp, maybe even a thin-blood. If it had no real skill in fighting then whatever little vampire power it had could have fallen short in the face of a lucky kick out a window.
Most of the time a guy gets lucky against a vampire is either when the vampire is extremely weak and/or stupid, or when they themselves are enhanced in some way.
Kitten may not be a werecat but a normal dude surviving a direct attack from a vampire, let alone killing one, is downright weird.
Based on the way he told the story it sounds like the vamp had totally lost it and was frenzied. Kitten more than likely got lucky with fighting him. What's also worth noting though is that he more or less blacked out sometime during the experience, so assuming he is a werebeast of some variety he probably unknowingly transformed and wrecked the guy.
The reason he wears clothes like he does would imply he has troubles changing back to human form, or he can't control it well.
Also his "my parents are deeeaaadd" thing also carries some implications, though chekhov's gun and all that.
I think it was more just him freaking out about appearance, yeah, and considering him trash Kine.
And yes, it's absolutely a leap to consider him a werecat currently. Normie hunters have been a thing forever, even discounting the Imbued (which he's also probably not). Guy got lucky in a fight with a probably fairly young, relatively speaking, vamp.
could be inbued
his story is textbook
damn supernuatural forces beyond comprehension beckoning people to kill vampires and giving them superpowers
I'd agree, but no message from on-high. Though I suppose he could have been keeping that part secret.
>implying it's not D or his homolust for Marckus
What if D himself is a messenger that has decided to take on a human form. Now i am picturing the not!Celestine being one of these to.
Mercy, Vision, and Zeal all in one
>D and his brothers killed a meth
>his sons turned on him
>imbued might stand a chance against a meth, at least for a short while
>imbued can become corrupted and turn to evil
hmmm
still not enough to go off of
They all know about the Arcanum, they brush shoulders(or did) with sorcerors. Who knows of they are still normal? For all we know Big D is some unclassified supernatural entity and was secretly feeding his children super-power jizz i their food.
hahaha
Big D might predate the Arcanum if he was present during that one witch's trial.
or he founded it and things went to shit because he told too much
Would be thematically fitting considering he's an expy of the Emperor
what the frick is the horse talking about
Time of Judgement. End of the world. I only know the ones for Vampire and Werewolf, so for all I know Horse is referencing a Mage scenario
ah, k
ive only done some research but some of his shit he was talking about reminded me of some scenarios i read about taking place during basically what is the White Wolf equivalent of the End Times
Time of Judgement. Specifically, Gehenna. Which gets kicked off the moment Ravnos awakens in Bangladesh and initiates the Week of Nightmares.
Then gets btfo by the technocracy before he can do any real damage
Well that's not happening. Big D was in Bangladesh, so chances are he's purged the country before he fled
I question if Big D could beat a 3rd Gen, but if it were asleep, then maybe there's a chance.
Not really. 3rd gens are like roaches. Even the one auggie SUCKED stuck around. Frick Lasombra and tzmisce simply killed their would be usurpers and Saulot straight up absorbed Tremere after he diablerized his three eyed ass.
Really troile was the only vampire to make the leap to 3rd gen by eating one of the OG Antes. Tremere failed, auggie failed
Malkav was also super duper deader than fricking dead can be and just went "Lul. Lmao."
Killing Antes is super fricking hard.
Malkav must've laughed their ass off when they saw how "easy" brujah, ravnos and lasombra went down
Malkav is a cheating cheater who cheats. Almost as bad as Tzimisce.
Tzimisce stole the flesh cathedrals look, he's a no good copy cat b***h who lives in a sewer
Lasombra’s death was according to plan as he went off to the Abyss. What he didn’t expect was for the other Abyss dwellers to bully the frick out of him for having been a mortal, now he’s just running around plotting to sink the world back into the Abyss to get the other guys to stop calling him names.
>Killing Antes is super fricking hard.
Oh come now, it's not that difficult. You just need to spend enough energy to cripple a star spanning empire after nuking the fricking afterlife as your opening gambit.
Causing the sixth maelstrom was just the technocracy dabbing and flossing before they whipped out their technodick to slap ravnos with
Said technodick promptly exploded, it should be said. Because even the Technocracy couldn't handle the sheer amount of force needed to nuke an Ante out of existence. Killing Ravnos essentially puts them out of commission for the rest of the apocalypse and the ToJ scenarios.
To be entirely fair, even if it puts you in traction, dickslapping a 3rd generation to death is some goddamn bragging rights material.
Especially since, unlike most end times, mage had quite a few win scenarios, including one where all factions get exactly what they want
Which means the technocracy could, in some timeliness, recover and flourish after dickslapping the angry vampire God of illusions...and gypsies
>I've come to make an announcement, Ravnos is a b***h ass motherfricker...
pfft buncha whiners
For me, it's Tzimisce
The motherfricker was obliterated and just reformed himself from his childer.
Ventrue.
He won, in the end, because he was a king who could take himself off the board.
suicido
Big D almost dies to Kevin. Also Ravnos only was there cause the ravnos clan are a bunch of morons who mass embraced and speedran the thinning of their blood
Fricking gypsies
well, no, the Week of Nightmares points towards Gehenna's approach, but it does not itself begin it
going into this I was expecting them to reveal that Horse was some kind of Werehorse. I have no idea what he is, other than it's clearly not a vampire and very hostile towards them. It's too hostile to be a Psychopomp, and those only possess Awakened Mages. And yet not hostile enough to be a Demon. A ghoul would devour blood, not vomit it. I need to do more research.
my current theory is that Horse is a Beast. The wiki says Beasts are formed when a Mortal's soul fuses with a Horror. it does not say the mortal has to be human. Perhaps Horse is a Beast and D is a Hero who's managed to fight off the Compulsion to hunt Horse through copious amounts of drugs?
D definitely cares for Horse, genuinely, so I'm thinking he might not even be a Hero. Honestly, we're all expecting him to be All-Powerful because he's, well, Big D, but who's to say he's not something like an extremely knowledgeable Thin-Blood? Would be pretty hilarious if he IS like 3000 years old, but he's a rare 4th Generation Thin Blood, so he's just been a bystander to all this shit.
Could also be one of those independent ghoul lineages, the mention of killing the fourth gen along with all the mothers and fathers makes points towards a really close inbred ghoul family of a lesser bloodline that turned against the kindred in revenge as hunters after their patrons got wiped out by other kindred.
Horse could also be a VERY benign Demon-Beast, aka the child of a Demon and an animal
Doubt since Beasts are from the new WOD, is the most unliked of the franchise and written by a genuine creep.
Though something nice is that he doesn’t seem aggressive towards boy, even calling him nephew and saying farewell. Could even be considered as warning boy of events to come.
The fact that Horse actually acknowledged that Boy as his nephew makes it even more unsettling. I'm surprised he didn't reveal himself to Kitten
Either he wanted to traumatized Boy in particular, or deliver a message only him can work with
Well Kitten was telling a story, it's only polite not to interrupt.
I'd say it's the latter. Big D is big on Opsec after all and Horse learned from the best.
So what are the odds Horse is a shapeshifter and is only staying as a horse to stay quiet? Oh wait, thats something the Alpha Legion would do
I'm gonna guess the latter, since Horse greeted Boy as 'Oracle' at first.
Can I get a TLDR on why?
Especially the creep part
Horse knows shit is coming and chose to relay it to Boy. He also sounded like Horus from the 30k trailer
I think the author is a confirmed rapist, and his Beast book allows you to rape ordinary people to “teach a lesson”, chastised the victims saying it’s their fault, and if the Hero comes to stop you he’s a bad person
man, beast was such a mess
Basically this. The entire book is written from an abuser point of view, with layers of layers of justification for the bad things that "beasts" do, how it's not really bad, how it teaches people a lesson, how "heroes" (which happens to casually be the kind of people that would detect abusers, like parents, social workers, educators etc) are actually just self serving individuals and the true bad guys. And despite regular WoD splats where it's usually made obvious that these kind of things are just a monster way of justifying themselves they are written completely straight. The whole splat is basically a defense of abuse.
Then it turned out the lead writer was a serial rapist and all the pieces fell in place .
don't forget it was supposed to be the "queer splat" right down to the heroes's great crime being undermining the importance of the beast's personal narrative by inserting their mundane values into it.
I knew a guy who worked on it, said the truth coming off hit the company like an atom bomb because it was so fricking obvious in retrospect.
It make sense, given the whole 'egg' thing that Trans community does.
Well that's another reason to avoid Chronicles then.
Couldn’t they just have gone CHECHNYA A SHIT even harder, that would at least have made sense.
There's a non-zero chance Horse is Wyrm entity, since those of the Deceiver Wyrm can be subtle and prone to slow deception as needed. He could also be a Nephandi or Nephandi-aligned entity, a servitor of the Lords of the Outer Black.
I doubt it, since he would be taking Banality hits like crazy otherwise. Though his clear derision for the New World Order makes it a possibility (but if he was a Changeling, he has no business knowing about the NWO). He might be a Mummy.
The way Door spoke about Big D was basically just the God Emperor. Really nice though. This show keeps getting better and better. I Fricking love this shit.
I also Theorize D. is a Solar Exalted and Sanguinius will be a Golden Child
Man I really fricking hate that White Wolf ever included
>Ahhh this setting MAY be the exalted setting except in a very degenerated form in the far future. Wouldn't that be FUNNY? HUH? Or maybe it ISN'T! Or maybe it is? HUH HUH?
in anything ever. I get super tired of people mixing them together because it feels like it makes both settings fricking worse.
Wasn't that idea removed RIGHT BEFORE Exalted was first published, anyway? Which made it very awkward when names like Ebon Dragon and Scarlet Empress showed up in both.
No clue, but I loathe that it plagues the minds of the fanbase permanently. I'd much rather them stay separate settings. Exalted is too useful as a kitchen sink anything goes setting to waste on
>Okay what if we made it grimdark and BORING?
Based opinion
So are we just gonna ignore the fact that Horse sounded EXACTLY LIKE FRICKING HORUS?!
I thought the joke was pretty obvious
isnt oracle a title given to some very big wig mages
was boy a mge in a previous life?
Oracle is a term specifically used for those mages who have transcended Earth entirely and entered the Umbra as Ascended or stopped just short of Ascending to help (or frick over) those back on Earth. Not sure if Boy would be one, but I'm not writing it off.
He did a ton of damage, especially to the Technocracy itself. Killing him all but crippled them and indirectly wiped out not only an entire game line as a result, but led to nobody having the means to stop the OTHER Antes who woke up after him or all the other ToJ scenarios.
Yeah, but wraith died because of the ghost nuke the technocracy dropped.
Also, someone fricking stopped lasombra. Took them longer, but He got staked just like ravnos. By...something
Frankly I think Boy might be a Fera.
The mentions of puberty disease, the fact he shrugged off the absinthe, and the absolutely meat and protein filled diet all have me suspicious,
You know the more episodes come out the more convinced i am that big E for sure impregnated many a fera
So what? He's some kind of Metis?
Actually that might track, usually those kids are abandoned because "muh sins of the father" as if the fricking wolves don't have enough blood on their hands already.
Most Metis are in fricking agony, so I'm not sure if he is one. Either a full woof who hasn't undergone the change yet or one of the other surviving Fera.
Metis are born in their werewolf form tho right?
Until their first change, which could be the "puberty disease."
Keep in mind they raised the little fricker on nothing but protein and yet he seems perfectly fine. That and he can turn back a bottle of absinthe like gatorade.
Of course I could be totally wrong, my knowledge of the setting is like 3 steps removed from the tabletop or source books.
>He did a ton of damage, especially to the Technocracy itself. Killing him all but crippled them and indirectly wiped out not only an entire game line as a result
yea but it also made god give a frick and helped humanity by having god wipe out all the supernatural shit. Also frick the technoc**ts. They are magic users saying its science when in reality its magic
careful we're gonna have 15,000 buttmad techie stans screaming to us about their STEM degree.
Oh yea cause it makes so much sense that a STEM degree somehow allowed little timmy the ability to make a FTL drive and armor that lets you go DBZ.
For a group of people who care about humanity and have super advance not magic tech they seem to be so fricking useless
They're literally compromised by the Weaver, their ability to think critically went out the window a long time ago.
>They're literally compromised by the Weaver
HmmmmMMm how?
One of the ToJ scenarios (IIRC) literally has it so the Technocracy's victory ends up with them creating a stagnant sterile universe where it's pretty explicitly stated that the Weaver reigns supreme. Iteration X is controlled by the Computer, which is an aspect of the Weaver. In 1st ed, the Technocracy frequently worked with Weaver spirits to sanitize reality (see Loom of Fate), though later editions move away from that. And most Technocratic branches are in the total thrall of Clarity, which REEKS of Weaver corruption.
They are also compromised by the Wyrm, due to the existence of the Syndicate and what it represents.
>Also frick the technoc**ts. They are magic users saying its science when in reality its magic
something something
Science you don't understand is indistinguishable from magic.
something something
>Science you don't understand is indistinguishable from magic
no its literally just magic. Its stagnant magic forced into a new form and held together by techno wizards who order techno tards to do stuff for them. Its why everything goes to shit for them when god fricks them over and all the supernatural shit goes byebye. Its because they are supernatural themselves
I've read one of the last pre-enlightenment encylopedia the other day, it had chapter of magic, and it distinguished it threefold - demonic shit, "natural" shit that "just works" like chicken soup curing common cold for some reason, and "artificial" magic that was basically advanced technology of the day like mechanical horses.
For pre modern man it's not science that you don't understand is indistinguishable from magic. It's that all science is magic and vice versa.
So who's gonna post the full prophecy that Horse mentioned?
>WHAT IS IT THOUST SEE...?
>DOTH THINE EYES... SEE IT... ORACLE?
>GAZE INTO... MINE CRIMSON MIASMA.
>THINE FAEDER, LAID BARE, DESICCATED BY THY HAND... THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW
>OF TWO, ONE FALLS. ONE RISES. DAMNATION. THE THIRD EYE OPENS. HIS SUET SHALL FEED AND WARM HER GULLET. THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW
>THE PATRIARCH, IN MASTERING LUNA, ENDS HAMSTRUNG... HE WILL WISH DEATH UPON HIS FLESH, BUT NO MERCY SHALL BE GIVEN, FOR NONE HE HATH GAVE.
>THE RISING THREE SHALL SIGNAL WARS END. WOE AND TRIUMPH. THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW.
>FROM THEM... BLOODSHED. ARMAGEDDON FOR ALL.KINE, KINDRED, GAROU, MILKLINGS, ELOHIM. IN THE LIGHT, THEY ALL WILL...[Door wakes up]
sure
> thine faeder, laid bare... desiccated on the rocks, by thy hand. the abbot will know
the fae maybe?
>of two, one falls... one rises. damnation. the third eye opens. his suet will feed and warm her gullet. the abbot will know
maybe
Tremere and Saulot. one turns to a high lifeform and damns the other. saulot wakes up and takes over the boys.
>the patriarch, in mastering luna, ends hamstrung... he will wish death upon his flesh, but no mercy shall be given, for none he hath gave
Werewolf. The war to take everything over and enslave luna ends the path that would have fixed the world. second part is confusing but maybe it has to do with dancers and no skinwalkers will help for the shitty things they done.
>the rising three shall signal wars end. woe and triumph. the abbot, will know.
the Triat maybe
>from them... bloodshed. armageddon for all.kine, kindred, garou, milklings, elohim. in the light, they all will
Gehenna
Faeder is father in old English so Horse will feed on Door?!
Side note: Blessed wrote a banger of an episode
Boy is adopted, could be either door or his birth father
I'll give my shot at this
>WHAT IS IT THOUST SEE...?
>DOTH THINE EYES... SEE IT... ORACLE?
Calling Boy Oracle is pretty fricking wild, guess he's going Mage in this Setting? I don't know shit about the Mages or Technocracy
>GAZE INTO... MINE CRIMSON MIASMA.
Ok Horse!
>THINE FAEDER, LAID BARE, DESICCATED BY THY HAND... THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW
So Door's days are numbered. Desiccated is a key word here though, because that's a moisture-less corpse. Somebody is going to drink Door dry, and it'll at the very least be Boy's fault, though I don't believe he'll be the one to do it. Makes me suspect Door will probably get forcibly Embraced, possibly by Kevin in a last ditch effort to save him.
>OF TWO, ONE FALLS. ONE RISES. DAMNATION. THE THIRD EYE OPENS.
So this is making me think of Markus and Kitten. I suspect Markus falls, becomes Embraced or worse, and Kitten rises? Third eye opening obviously points to Markus considering his TTS counterpart but who knows, it could be the inverse. I could see Son-In-Law be a lot, LOT more monstrous down the line in this series
>HIS SUET SHALL FEED AND WARM HER GULLET. THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW
So the Prince is going to eat Markus. Cool cool cool. At least, that's what I'm thinking. Did the Prince of North-Norfolk get confirmed to be the Unshaven Tremere Reagent? I forget, but I've been thinking the whole time the Prince is female in their area. Or it could be that woman from Episode 1!
>THE PATRIARCH, IN MASTERING LUNA, ENDS HAMSTRUNG... HE WILL WISH DEATH UPON HIS FLESH, BUT NO MERCY SHALL BE GIVEN, FOR NONE HE HATH GAVE.
Big D is going to suffer, possibly in one of the outer planes of WoD? I'm not too familiar of the stuff outside our "realm", but Big D will be stuck in wherever Mastering Luna is.
[cont.]
>THE RISING THREE SHALL SIGNAL WARS END. WOE AND TRIUMPH. THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW.
So this one's a bit tricky, because it'll be the remainder of the hit list I've just theorized. Boy is definitely one of the Three. Then either Kitten/Markus, whoever still Team Hunter (most likely Kitten), and the third will be....... Kevin? I fricking hope it's Kevin oh my GOD.
>FROM THEM... BLOODSHED. ARMAGEDDON FOR ALL.KINE, KINDRED, GAROU, MILKLINGS, ELOHIM. IN THE LIGHT, THEY ALL WILL...[Door wakes up]
Aaaaand it'll end up making things a FRICKLOAD worse, possibly kickstarting WoD End Times
You know this makes me think "Milkling" is a slur for changelings. I don't think horse likes changelings much.
To be fair some changelings are almost as bad as werewolves. Which is saying a fricking lot.
I think it's not 'Mastering Luna' as a proper noun, but that Big D will master (as in dominate/seize control of/come to a greater understanding of) something related to the moon (Luna) or werewolves, and suffer a fate worse than death as a result.
Ahh, bingo, that sounds right on the money there.
>DESICCATED BY THY HAND
Something tells me FRICKING HORSE will be his killer
'Thine' and 'Thy' mean 'Your'. He's talking to Boy.
Thine and Thy can also mean "my".
I don't think that's how it works, as it's literally the Old/Middle English way of informally referring to 'you' along with 'Thou' and 'Thee' and the rest of those words, buuuuut English is a terrible bastard language which has mutated beyond recognition so I'll accept that there's probably some weird case where you're right.
Also HORSE IS VOICED BY FRICKING HORUS
Wait, Horus was in TTS?
Yes but not really.
Wait no he wasn't. I'm dumb.
He was in the April’s fool episode
And that one episode that showed Retconnia.
Horus comforting Malal was touching and reminded everyone that before the Heresy he was a good caring man
He even offered hot cocoa to Malal. The madlad was a great guy before his fall.
Sons of Horus > Ultrasmurfs
why did he do it, bro?
why?
the empire could've been so beautiful
Horus wasn't exactly firing on all cylinders even before that FRICKER Erebus dicked him over and the Ruinous Powers got their claws into him, he's hardly to blame for his fall.
Granted if you take some of the books into account Big E planned for exactly this scenario to occur, he just didn't expect how severely fricked Horus would get in the process.
he was supposed to be the best of them
was his father and brothers' love not enough?
>Horus was a good man
>Warmaster, Favored Son, Respected by All
>Routinely betrayed
>Mindraped so hard he might as well be a different person
>Soul OBLITERATED from all of reality, the only character in the setting explicitly nuked into non-existence
>No chance for Redemption, to see the Imperium for how it is now, to reject his loathsome Masters and come back to the Emperor's Light
Morty better shape the frick up and take the chance his brother will never have
pretty sure the other primarchs would just kill him
Also shows up in the Retconium in the fan questions episode
?t=740
How could this happen to me. I made my mistakes.
He got banished to the Retconium.
Patriarch is almost definitely Caine, Big D doesn't fit since he has given mercy.
Three eyes is associated with Saulot, most likely referring to Golconda. Given Kevin's motivations that probably applies to him more than anyone else.
Frickin' shit... I didn't even know that. Now I gotta rethink this real qui-
>THE THIRD EYE OPENS. HIS SUET SHALL FEED AND WARM HER GULLET. THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW
...Oh.... Oh no....
Reminder that the Abbot refers to a high ranking vampire or ghoul who acts as a priory to the Sabbat.
So the question remains: exactly who is the Abbot?
Possibly Kevin, but I'm pretty sure it's the robed woman we saw overlooking the tunnels in the first episode.
The Fiddler, yeah.
Not sure if she's pic related or that's the regent
>third eye
Oh frick!
welp, time to rewatch the credits
>third eye
>rising three
oh, you just made this a lot easier
>THINE FAEDER, LAID BARE, DESICCATED BY THY HAND... THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW
Boy might be a were something, transform, frenzy, and kill his father or kill door on accident some other way. The ghoul will be there to see it.
>OF TWO, ONE FALLS. ONE RISES. DAMNATION. THE THIRD EYE OPENS. HIS SUET SHALL FEED AND WARM HER GULLET. THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW
Kevin turns Door to 'save' him and may in some form achieve Golconda or display his skill in Auspex (the vampiric third eye) before being diaberlized by the regent or fiddler.
>THE PATRIARCH, IN MASTERING LUNA, ENDS HAMSTRUNG... HE WILL WISH DEATH UPON HIS FLESH, BUT NO MERCY SHALL BE GIVEN, FOR NONE HE HATH GAVE.
Big D fricked Luna (possibly literally) and she is pissed. Door's turning might drive him suicidal but due to some supernatural condition he cannot die.
>THE RISING THREE SHALL SIGNAL WARS END. WOE AND TRIUMPH. THE ABBOT, WILL KNOW.
Three. The third generation maybe. Could be Door, Kitten, and Marckus though.
Given the last bit where Horse namedrops all the major splats, the rising third are definitely the third generation. Ravnos waking up is the big signal for Time of Judgement to begin.
Yeah.
Caine also had three childer.
>three rises
oh frick
>Embraced or worse, and Kitten rises? Third eye opening obviously points to Markus
what if Markus gets embraced by a Salubri or somethinmg?
tho if that where the case Salubri can only embrace or even feed on people who fully consent to such a thing, which means Markus would ya know need to be all for becoming a vamp
Considering he's the most gung-ho about learning about Diablerie and Vampiric Lore he's the most likely to Turn in my mind.
Nah, I think he's gonna at least try to stay human. It's the other shit that might get him though.
>D is missing
>Door and Boy are off on their fending of Tremere vampires
>Kitten is off getting groceries or something
>5th or 6th gen Salubri appears
i doubt it'll happen but i imagine it going down like that
>What power could be worth betraying us all?
>The power to save you.
oh shit, forgot Vattu exists, it should be nearing it's end soon, time to catch up
Maybe the stake-jacket trick doesn't work out the second time.
Considering how Magnus's fall to the allegiance of Tzeentch went it wouldn't be a surprise if Markus got tricked into giving his consent
My take on Oracle was more that Boy has oracular ability, rather than anything like the mage Oracles (which, aren't those a New World thing anyway?)
So was that whole spiel between Marcus and the horse supposed to be a reference?
WHAT THE FRICK
WHAT THE FRICK
WHAT THE FRICK
Everyone likes to shit on Tremere, but they managed to survive despite every clan fricking hating them, nearly wiped out a clan, and their antedeluvian at least isn't a total butthole during Gehenna if he overcomes or escapes Saulot.
Tremere himself was actually a power enough mage to summon the collective name of humanity to frick Tzimisce, at least in the scenarios where Tzimisce doesn't hijack it.
Would Kevin potentially be a reincarnation of Tremere?
nah, i don't think alfa will touch the antes until we're like years into the parenting
You forgot also managing to frickup the order of mages that turned on them for going vampire.
you know, the people who can drop a sun on you
Don't care, still hate the dumb vampire wizard clan.
I CURSE YOU WITH LUPUS
I curse you with shitty larp name
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
HOW! DO! YOU! KNOW! THIS!
boy is the cutest thing ever and i want him to kill everyone
that is all
Mastering Luna could also refer to a Silver Exalted
Adding Exalted would just confuse even more people.
What I hearing is that despite how frightening it seems things are going to get way worse.
Also I honestly think Big D might be Jesus, but that's just because he's probably super old, middle eastern, and seeking redemption for others. I also know nothing about World of Darkness, so I don't know if the position has been filled already.
Eh, Jesus is kinda maybe sorta implied to be fake and Christianity used as a tool by various clans to lord over mortals and use against each other.
Right now, we know several things.
>Big D is a meth killer
>Big D had a father and brothers
>Big D was betrayed by his sons before
Elohim (Angels/Demons) were mentioned by Horse, so Jesus exists/existed. It also means that Lucifer orchestrated the Fall under God's direct orders.
Yea Cain is around and it's his line that are the ancestral vampires.
Jesus is somewhat real.
The actual validity of his claims and such just depend on what game and what you decide.
VtM: God is real/caine is real so Jesus can be real
Werewolf follows Gaia
Mage is literally up to the belief based reality to discern
Hunter and Demon both make the VtM stuff real again
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!!
i love all the shit thrown out brits in this
I was expecting it but it still took me off Guard when Horse started talking.
Does anyone know what he was talking about? I assume there were cryptic references to WoD lore and it seemed like he was implying Boy is some sort of Oracle.
Also, Karl's song at the end was lots of creepy fun!
I think he's partly referencing the scene we've seen at the end
He was talking about the Time of Judgement. The literal apocalypse. He might also have referenced near future events as well.
Time of Judgment or aka "They nuke a vampire god twice and that's just the fricking start of the crazy shit."
Btw Karl's animations and musical skill are fricking a treat. Plus he looks like a Finnish folk metal artist irl
So, what are the odds Kitten is an actual animal person, given the insistence on the animal eared hoodies, his ability to climb, and stuff?
Depends, are werecats a thing?
they're called bastet
Still werecats
>Kitten actually hit a vampire hard enough to send him flying
yeah, he's a werecat
Imma ask speaker d on twitter real quick
>asking anyone involved in a story about story details, expecting them to give anything more than coy hints (if even that)
Im expecting coy hints
probably "Look at the hat" or something. Kitten does make cat sounds.
Ok i asked him
Okay so from what I gather from the audio dramas and this thread:
>Big-D
Not a normal human, possibly centuries old, knows too much of the supernatural and knows the risk of having said knowledge. Possibly got caught by Kevin and Pyotr on purpose to give family a chance. Abhors the idea that someone can "own" a part of the earth.
>Door
Seems human. Though staying in one spot for 6 hours for a single boar and ending up with too much boar to count is suspicious.
>Marckus
99% sure he's human. Him walking with just his crutches is impressive but I'll chalk that up to D-genes. Him saying the family's blood is too thin to take aspirin is weird and makes me think someone is pulling a gaff that the whole family is very high generation thin-bloods but that's moronic and has nothing to do with aspirin.
>Kitten
Maybe human maybe werecat. Taking on a vampire and winning is very suspicous.
>Boy
Not human. Able to carry countless boar (they're about 170 pounds) in a short period of time is not human. Being able to drink absinthe like water is not human, at least at his age. Seeing shifting images in blood splatters is not human. Might be a were-whatever. Might be magically inclined (is called oracle).
>Horse
Not sure what's going on with him. Someone ITT said a malkavian might have ghoulified Horse. That sort make sense but vomiting blood because of it does not. Alfa could be taking extreme liberties of the lore and say Horse was sired by a malkavian. Aabbt kindred was seemingly retconned so it's not cannon anymore, but it would, unfortunately, make a lot of sense. Horse could have been sired recently and started having the usual malkie thoughts. He wants to share these visions with his family but he can't speak human so he does the next best thing: vomits blood. He does this for everyone until someone interprets his message; the boy in this case. Also the medicine made him vomit blood.
>Krakus
Idk, maybe the malk who gave Horse his vampire aids?
What do you all think?
Boy being an Oracle would mean he'd explode the instant he did anything flashy because Paradox. But given Haight is a thing, there's no reason he couldn't be a Fera AND some fricked up Oracle fusion. Might even explain why Big D seemingly knows so much about the war between Garou and the Wyrm.
Horse was seeing the future, could be he was refering to Boy as his future title.
Could also be using our definition of oracle: a medium of the divine. The divine in this case would be Horse or whomever is controlling Horse.
I took the blood thing as a reference to him having lost a great deal of blood during the fight with Pyotr, and still having wounds which are in the process of healing. Which would make it a bad idea to consume a medication which may cause or worsen bleeding.
>Though staying in one spot for 6 hours for a single boar and ending up with too much boar to count is suspicious.
Dis homie never went hunting or fishing before
yep, it's the fricking credits sequence
>laid bare
>dessicated by thy frick huge hand
>the abbot is the fiddler standing in the center, seeing it all happen
I suppose you can interpret the reaper as wanting to die
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Reaper_(WTO)
Maybe Big-D is the reaper, not in the sense that he's a wraith but in one that he removed someone cauld. And not that he wants death but that he wants his title of reaper to die.
Problem with that is Big D isn't dead.
>dessicated by thy frick huge hand
Gave me a chuckle while catching up with the thread
>mastery of luna
So are there any decent lore channels for WoD?
The only ones I could find kinda sucked.
not really
The Parenting's pretty great so far in letting you know about stuff in an immersive way.
Damn, I want to know what the deal is with the Worm and whatever those two other W names I keep seeing thrown around are and how they affect Vampires.
What the frick are the "milklings" that Horse mentioned, at least?
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Wyld_(WOD)
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Wyrm
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Weaver
Milklings are changelings: humans kidnapped by True Fae from one of the weirdest astral planes. Exposure to the plane and Fae influenced their nature to become supernatural, giving them super powers.
Wrong. That's Chronicles/ new world changeling
The dreaming/ old world changeling are just people whose prior lives used to be faeries and their souls reawoke to it. They need to be childish and whimsical or else their fairy souls go back to sleep and they become average Joes who forget all the fun fairy adventures they had and just assume they were dreams/ childhood games of pretend, and if asked about it will go "Yeah, I pretended I was a fairy queen as a little girl, why are you still doing it?".
That's the banality. Old World changeling literally are fighting against the dullness of reality
Unlike their counter parts in changeling the lost, who you mistook for them, who are fighting to recover from fae torture and to NOT fall unrecoverable from reality by retreating into fantasy.
They're basically the exact opposite, and I have a theory the dreaming changelings are actually the true fae of changeling the lost, cause their ghouls really resemble lost changelings
So the changelings D would encounter are Chuunis with magical powers. And the ones the other guy though of, are magic abuse victims who are trying not to become real fairies.
Eh, not sure which I'd prefer to get the D
could've sworn it was the other way
then again, they're fricking changelings
Nope. Here's an easy guide. If it's old world, they're manchildtrn trying to cling to the hope and innocence of childhood against the unrelenting March of normality.
If it's new world, they got raped by the mad hatter and the easter bunny
i meant changelings are worthless and forgettable
Less than demon or mummy, bout equal with Geist and prometheans, who they share a podium with beneath hunter, werewolf, mage and vampire. But you're right about dreaming changelings, they're the same bottom tier as demon and mummy, and that's cause they simply don't fit the tone of world of darkness
Which is why NwOd changelings became abuse survivors. Who fun fact, one of the awakenings of mages, I believe fate or time, has the soon to be mage go to a dinner party in Arcadia as an honored guest
Where they're served by still trapped and enslaved changelings, as their true fae masters treat the mage cordially as they play the role of kindly fairy royalty. Probably just to torment their changlingd more, tbh
based fae
Shit, those mages probably eat and drink with the fine China, which are also changelings made into dinner and Glass where, given the sharpest knives and cutlery, also changelings, sat in the finest and most luxuriously soft chair, which is also a changeling, as they drink wine grown from their hosts vineyards, which has more changelings in it than fairy trees, enjoying a finely prepared meal made by changelings and made of changelings
Before they move onto a light desert of cake, which is also a changeling, in the smoke room beneath the singing crystal chandler, also a changeling, and their pond of lounging mermaids, also all changelings
god, i love those wacky ass true fae
into the rape basement~
Really it's a great set up for a minor conflict of a mage stumbling into a freehold and expecting to be treated as am honored and beloved guest by the changelings there.
Like a plantation owner visiting a free family of former slaves
Also I didn't list beast or deviant, cause no will ever play beast or use them as anything besides a guiltless target in hunter. And cause Deviant hasn't been around long enough to be measured with a stick
Changelings from CTD are rape babies while Changelings from CTL (which is the current setting) are lost Fairy spirit otherkin larpers
going to do a huge lore dump which might also be spoilers based on what was explained above but basically in mage, all humans warp reality based on what the masses collectively believe is real which is supported by demon which claims that in the past, contradictory timelines existed on multiple layers of reality.
there are only two timelines that you really need to understand that explains every supernatural group:
the abrahamic one where caine was cursed by god to be the first vampire while the imbued are created by angels and demons are fallen angels.
the other timeline is one with gaia as the spirit of the world who the werewolves believe created them with the other three spirits of the metaphysical trinity: the wyld, the weaver and the wyrm. The Wyld is the creative force/chaos while the Weaver is order/stasis and the Wyrm the force of decay and necessary destruction.
(going to explain real fast that in Mage, the part of one's soul that allows humans to warp reality is refered to as the avatar)
Mage is kind of the middleman between these two timelines as in the past, Angels were the ones who helped lead avatars to mages and in demon, the avatars are refered to as "shards of divinity" that are embedded in every human. Mage also shares the trinity which they refer to as Dynamic/Pattern/Primordial essence (but mages and werewolves disagree on whether the spirits are the representations of these concepts or the ones generating them)
>Changelings from CTD are rape babies while Changelings from CTL are lost fairy spirit otherkin larpers
Other way around moron.
CtD changelings are lost spirit otherwise larpers
CtL, which is not the current setting, but is the Chronicles version of changeling, are the rape babies
my bad, forgot to check for typos
Everyone is right. No one is wrong. Reality got shattered in a primordial event. The various shards lost their references in each other and thus, left on their own, went to their own logical extremes through self reference.
Don't forget that Chronicles Changelings can also be Playmates, who were treated well by their True Fae Keepers in Arcadia, acting as literal playmates in many cases. Then the Gentry got bored of them and tossed them away, leaving a broken person with heaps of abandonment issues.
The True Fae are c**ts.
Big D would get along well with Dreaming Changelings, since he also seems to despise reality being ceaselessly marched into a death of dream and hope and childish whimsy (thank you Technocrats and Weaver). He'd probably get along better with those CtL Changelings who aren't fully broken, but I can definitely see him trying to comfort those who are. Then he makes plans to kill the True Fae.
This makes me think, besides who he's already stated as enemies he has no qualms of killing (Antes, Caine, Leeches, etc), who do you think would be on Big D's shit-list, and who do you think he'd spare or sympathize with, like Kevin? Obviously it depends on how the HunterFam interacts with them, but I'm guessing most Garou Tribes would probably not be as cordial as our ragtag band of Sabbat rejects.
I hope Alfa is encouraged by all the feedback from Hunter to really continue it forward, though I am itching to see his Half-Life parody soon.
Well going off his stated goals anyone who either wants to be human or at least "humane" would be in his good boy coloumn.
The unapologetic buttholes, of which WoD is full of mind you, would be on his kill list.
Like a werewolf that's just minding his business and trying to keep Gaia safe without having to resort to mass murder, nice guy could probably share a stolen beer with.
Mage using humans as either ingredients or experimental material, shotgun right in the gussy, and if they don't have one he's going to make one.
In terms of enemies, the NWO (and probably the rest of the Technocrats by extension) is obvious. Weaver and Wyrm are obvious, though the Weaver is kind of the lesser immediate problem. The Traditions are fully capable of hosting evil monsters, so it depends on who he meets first. Most Garou are dicks and I doubt they'll make a gods impression outside of the Children of Gaia (who are slightly less dicks), Changelings are just a race of chuuni's so they'll get along SUPER WELL with Big D. Wraiths would earn his sympathy, but that's assuming he meets any before they get spirit-nuked out of existence. Many Demons aren't really evil, just warped from their time following the Fall, so I can see him treating most decently barring the very worst Earthbound.
If we include Orpheus, then he might end up sympathizing with Grandmother even if he recognizes that she's destroying the multiverse.
What would be the most likely tribe of Garou they could encounter? If it's Black Furies, Gets of Fenris, or especially Red Talons we can expect things to go south very quickly.
Depends. Which tribe is most likely to be congregated around Norfolk?
wichever operates near england
not counting gnawers ofc, those are a given
Big D has stated to Kitten that Garou are fighting a war they hardly understand. Big D might know of the Wyrm shenanigans and Pentex, but not all of it.
The Black Spiral Dancers are def on the shitlist for being literally EVIIIIIIIL. The Black Furies, amazonian men haters, would prolly attack them on site first as well.
The Mages and Changelings are also dependent on the mage/changeling. Mages seek to change reality, their evil counterparts like Marauders/Nephandi are crazy bastards Big D would try to put down. Changelings have Unseelie and Seelie counterparts, but neither are exactly evil per se, they are bastards at times.
The changelings have counterparts born of nightmares too, Thallain. Shit like Goblins, Skinwalkers, Ogres and such.
He didn't even know what Vaulderie/Vinculum was, he's more versed in Tremere/Camarilla lore than overall kindred one
Also its pronounced clan Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrruuujjjah!
Isn't it OLD Changeling that are the kidnap victims? The LARP Changlings are the newer ones. In the original Changeling, you get drawn in to The Hedge (which is related to MAGE in some ways) and the risk here is accidentally getting caught on a thorn trying to get your way through it. Which is essentially your soul getting torn. Which puts you irreversibly closer to the nature of the fae. From there, your fate depends on the fae that ultimately grabs you and how they treat you. What kind of changeling you end up as. You could just as easily be treated as a fae's child as you could be treated as their new lamp. Or a pet bird in a cage. Or, say, a beloved pet cat.
Also Old Changeling is not necessarily weak, but the problem is very much in keeping with the theme of WOD at the time. Power comes at a price. You get closer to your fae nature. Changelings are only really powerful when they have essentially been lost to it. If I remember right, the implication is one can become a new true fae under the right circumstances. The whole fight in old changeling is trying not to slip away from humanity.
Kitten being a changeling who was treated like a fae's pet cat would be funny as hell. Also potentially appropriate. The confusion over the state of his parents could be that some other version of him lives with them. Who is actually just an enscrolled bundle of twigs. Some changelings just leave such a situation be for varying reasons (since to outsiders you look like you're the monster comming to kill their loved one). That said, this might create an issue with his double inherently desiring to kill him if they ever meet up.
Also would mean Kitten has a TRUE FAE stalking him. At all times. Near or far. You may escape The Hedge somehow, but your old master always wants you back.
>which is related to MAGE in some ways
If you believe Imperial Mysteries (the ultimate nWoD mage wank book in the sense that Masters of the Art is the ultimate oWoD mage wank book), the True Fae were one of the gods that the archmages tried to cast down back in the day. But being gods of time and fate, well, they just fricked off into a new timeline where they weren't wiped out. And that's how we got the Hedge, coexisting simultaneously with the much nicer Arcadia that Acanthus mages witness upon awakening.
I was always fine with the basic assumption it's just a path in to the very realm mages want to ascend to. As it's also a representational sort of reality. It's just one of the many, many, parts of it. Neat, though.
Actually, True fae just play along with Acanthus mages in their awakening. Trying to frick with anything from or in Arcadia is one of the ways for Mages to get fricked hard and without lube.
However, True fae, and everything arcadia, follow fairy tale rules. So, for mages during awakening, they play the role of nice fairy kings and queens.
>isn't it OLD Changeling that are the kidnap victims? The LARP Changlings are the newer ones.
No. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. So let me explain again.
I have the New changeling books, Changeling the lost. I've read them from cover to cover, several They're the kidnapping victims.
Changeling the Dreaming, Old changelings, are the larpers who need to act childish and whimsical or they become normies.
The true fae, do not fricking exist in old world of darkness. Fetches, do not fricking exist in old world of darkness. The hedge does not fricking exist in old world of darkness Those are New world only, Changeling the lost only.
They are not in dreaming at all, which is the original changeling. How many times does this need to be explained, jesus christ
Nope, all that is Lost /nWoD.
Lost = you were abducted by buttholes from beyond, and you've been warped by the experience. Make a new life, because the buttholes from beyond put a doppelganger in your place when they took you.
Dreaming = you had a fairy soul inside you all along! This makes you a powerful dream creature, but being near mundane drudgery will harm you. You're part of a feudal society of nobles and commoners, go out and cause drama to bring magic back to the world.
That's glossing over loads, but basically that's the difference.
Shame, I recall LOST being the actual interesting one.
to explain
theres another world called arcadia that is part of the metaphysical representation of humanity's dreams and ideals and at a certain point in history, got its connection severed from our world leaving many Fae spirits stranded.
Yeah, see, in New world/ Chronicles of darkness Arcadia is just fairy tale hell. Separated from the real world by the hedge, a place with a bunch of thorns that rip away pieces of your soul, off the grid changelings and a frickton of hobgoblins and other monsters.
Arcadia in NwoD is, rather than dreamland, is a place controlled by the true fae, who if you used equinox road, aren't just cruel, inhuman gods who like to kidnap mortals...for really any reason, they're instead sapient concepts and stories who have a number of avatars, who are the true fae in the rest of the books. True fae can be a cruel wizard, an enchanted ring, a living mansion, a man eating wizard, a sea goddess and pretty much anything else. An equinox road true fae will be several of those things at once, all seperate.
Oh and if you changeling reaches 0 clarity and 10 wyrd it's all but directly stated they transform into a new true fae. You lose control of them, and they March past tseparate. Oh and if true fae get trapped in trapped in the real world/ killed their, they become amnesiac who closely resemble changelings until something triggers their memory and they return to their old selves
They can take you to serve as a candle light, a chess piece, a hunting dog, a troll beneath q bridge, a living painting. Anything, which is why lost changelings can be so many different things
although, changelings fricking suck as far as supernaturals go
at least they're not unimbued hunters
Anyways so the main antagonist in Werewolf is the Wyrm (and also partially the weaver) which for extremely complicated plot reasons has gone out of control and started turning people into Captain Planet supervillains where the loss of balance in the triat is degrading reality. So werewolves basically hate anything that is aspected towards The Wyrm/decay and thus have a rage boner towards all vampires. Most vampires inist that they are Cainites while the werewolves believe that they are wyrmspawn or a creation of the weaver who sucked on wyrmblood.
Also as an interesting note, Vampires with a high enough humanity score (which requires being a literal saint) do not register as Vampires when Werewolves use their Sense Wyrm ability.
big daddy caine would utterly rape every garou race into nonexistence, lol
I dunno. Most of the other Fera aren't moronic.
I find it amazing that the Ratkin, who's whole schtick mind you is population control via induced plagues of the human population ala black death, still look good compared to the fricking werewolves.
Really, Pentex making the war wolves, horrid monsters that can only eat werewolf flesh, was an entirely good deed
It's just fricking hilarious that the more you learn about the werewolves it becomes less, "These are the champions of Gaia, the sworn protectors of the world and it's last line of defense" and more "These are the team killing fricktards that screwed us all over so hard that if you somehow managed to wipe them off the face of the earth it might get better instead of worse."
A shame most of them got eaten by the werewolves.
The problem with big daddy Caine hates his own children more than anything save for God and himself.
It should be noted that Sense Wyrm is mostly just an excuse for the Garou to kill you. It is heavily, heavily, HEAVILY slanted towards justifying their confirmation bias on all things non-Garou or their traditions being Wyrm-tainted.
> warhammer 40k channel does hunter: the vigil instead of mage: the ascension which has literal wizard space marines
still pretty nice content though
To be fair TTS was never about the spess mehrens, it was always about the top dogs of the setting so making it a more personal thing as a group of hunters works better
Any idea what that Edwin guy actually was? Because, Kitten beat him in a close quarters fight which would be almost impossible unless kitten is a werecat. And Edwin's behavior would be quite strange for a vampire, the cutting open his victim to feed on organs, and being well known on his university campus. And his death too, the sun didn't rise but his body faded away.
In all likelihood, tzimisce or nagaraja
Could be a thinblood? They're dangerous but still within the realms of a "normal" man being able to get a good few hits in.
Of course if he wasn't then Kitten is probably a fera of some sort or another(listening to Kitten he may have also been stabbed, which gives points to the werecat theory.) As for his nature they're called nagaraja.
These frickers, according to the wiki, are "artificial vampires" created by some ancient Indian mages (as in from India) pulling a Hellsing. Since they're not "natural" Cainite vampires they need flesh as well as blood.
All the other vampires hate these frickers.
They are walking masquerade breaches
also, really fricking weird and capable of necromancy
isnt the prophecy the stuff depicted in the credits?
scroll up
just did
yep
The theme to the episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZAFo4jXhW0
wouldnt the technoboys have a vested intrest in keeping the masquarade up?
if the existance of vampires becomes public then the consensus of "magic aint real" takes a major blow
could turn apocalyptic really fast too
mages without the paradox leash are scary
I mean, they collared magic to begin with, cause their ancestors were mages who looked around and said "Wow, grinding up babies to make potions is kind of fricking evil" and all the evil overlords who eventually made the traditions said "Lol, what the frick you gonna do it, b***h"
And they influenced the collective consciousness of mankind to begin slowly locking away magic and fantasy shit. It started with the Backlash in the dark ages, Which only made there be a chance for magic to disastrously fail when performed poorly, then it progressed into the scourge in Renaissance, Which only reacted to the beliefs of the local populace, sometimes aiding and sometimes hindering magic
then in the 17th century it fully became Paradox, becoming fully negative and actively punishing the use of vulgar magic
Based Technocracy
They actually do in some places, mostly sabbat controlled areas.
The issue however is Vampires, Changelings, Werewolves and Wraiths are all immune to paradox. This is justified as being due to an ancestral memory or belief in things in the night. Werewolf's delirium is explicitly stated as such.
Changeling's banality is sort of like Dox, but its more just being extremely unimaginative and stagnant over specific disbelief in their reality.
Honestly if the werewolves weren't all murderous c**ts then them, the mages, and the changelings could just straight up frick the Weaver's day because that b***h is basically the main cause to all their problems.
I mean they hunt down renegade garou for DARING to think they can have a life outside of living in the woods and having sex with wolves.
Potentially.
It'd depend on which Mage and how they reach ascension basically.
Sons of Ether are scientific themselves, albeit a far more romanticized and personal view with psuedoscience and abandoned theories.
Virtual Adepts are leet hackers with super cool computer tricks to hack reality.
Both of which kinda fall into a weird middle ground with the Weaver, but if either of them do ascend, they might be able to fix both the Weaver and the Wyrm without destroying reality.
Speaking of the Sons of Ether, I hope if we get any Mages, they are gonna be from that tradition. They'd fit the techpriests more than the Technocracy.
House Thig of the Order of Hermes fits too.
What in the everloving frick is Krakus?
See
I know who he is but I want to know what the frick could make those horrible sounds. Certainly it can't be human.
he could be a shit troll
A Bane is what I'm assuming he is for now.
Deranged guy who does deranged things but probably still just a human.
Nice
If paradox basically means reality kicking mages in the balls for using magic, how do mages actually do magic?
Very subtly. Or in the cases where they can cast vulgar magic and get away with it, usually either in the Umbra where Paradox doesn't apply or when the universe has decided to look away for whatever reason. Some also either have loopholes for evading the full brunt of Paradox or passing it off.
it only kicks them in the balls if a normie sees it
there are ways arround it, mostly be casting magic that can be explained away with logic
like a gun that never needs to be reloaded (maybe he reloaded when i wasnt looking) a granade with an extra mystical punch (must be special order stuff) or a sudeen lightning stike in a storm (shit happens), aka subtle magic
note if there are no normies arround, mages's powerlevel raises exponentially and they can turn a vampire or even a werewolf into a floorstain reliably
By disguising it to sleepers. (normies)
If you shoot a fire ball from a wand, that's vulgar as the sleeper knows it to be impossible.
But if you say, cause a molotov wienertail to explode into a fireball, that wouldn't cause any paradox as the sleeper would believe the molotov just exploded.
So it's misdirection?
If a mage tossed a bottle of water with a rag in it and made it burst into flames, it would work because everyone would assume it was a molotov?
When sleepers are watching at least yes. And thst example would potentially work, kinda depends on DM.
When they aren't Vulgar magic doesn't ding you as hard.
could work
of course the more flimsy you excuse the more likely it is you explode your liver instead
of coures you could allways just tank the paradox backlash and cast it anyways, you can allways heal
i believe there is a group of sikh mages who see subtle magic as an insult and do vulgar magic exclusively
they fly arround in carpets and shit, they dont give a frick
Yeah, they arent a full on tradition because they usually fricking explode.
If they're lucky
Paradox backlashes are fricking wild. You know that scene in Harry Potter where a spell gone wrong accidentally causes him to lose the bone in his arm?
That would be what Paradox does to you if you're not careful.
its awesome when it works tho
being a mage is basically a lifelong(length may vary) bullshittting act with reality itself as the dupe
I mean it's a great ride until the universe b***h slaps you, provided you don't manage to survive until the universal Ascension.
A mage's familiar consumes some of his paradox each day. Otherwise a mage can use Prime to cancel out paradox with Quintessence or Correspondence to make it someone else's problem.
Oracles are in both and are basically the same except in the old setting, they stopped just short of ascending.
Right, right. Gotcha.
Well
I still think it's more 'prophetic ability' than proper mage bullshit
Boy just might be just a regular sorcerer not full-on reality-bending mage
Or he might be a psychic with precognition
Yeah, my point
It does when magic blatantly violates the accepted "Consensus" of what things should go. So if a mage goes "I CAST MAGIC MISSILE" paradox ensues because "we know that there is no such thing as people throwing magic fireballs from their finger tips", but if there a mage casts a fireball close to a gas pipe or leak, people have no problem accepting that a fire could happened due the gas getting ignited, because it's a consensus that gases are inflammable.
>this thread
It's always fun getting into a new setting. Word of warning shit gets weird.
Like a lot of the stuff in this thread is kinda surface level, if you dig deeper you get to some really fricked up shit.
Ahh, yet another excuse to bring up the penis worms
Does this mean we can mention the Black Spiral Dancer rape pits now?
Only if we also get to bring up the human second class citizens of the werewolves getting their own forms by hunting down and skinning 5 of the frickers to get a beast mode.
Still a better deal than kinfolk normally get.
thats a by clan deal tho
also kinfolk can awaken and be embraced still me thinks
its a cool origin story
I want to frick a Coagulated Entity.
So tts threads are allowed here?
Eh, jannies let RWBY threads hang around when new episodes were airing, so I guess web animations are okay.
It's an animated show.
That poor priest, and he was even going to do a confession and a few hail mary's to show how remorseful he was. Ah well his fault for sticking his dick in a devil worshiping vampire shota who might also be a half insect centaur in his true form.
Seem to be. They've been left alone before
They're (mostly) animated vids and the discussion is way more constructive than the usual bullshit on Cinemaphile. As long as people don't try to make a general out of it I don't see the issue. That was pretty much the case with TTS anyway, threads just sprung up whenever there was a new episode and that was it.
It's also been long-established on Cinemaphile that the best /tg/ threads are outside of /tg/
Can confirm
t. /vt/sister
Its long established that no Board can discuss its own topic well. Its why /tg/ used to be the greatest of boards, creative people taking what they liked from everywhere and being seriously frivolous
Subsidiaries: A Guide to Pentex is genuinely hilarious because it fully embraces the Captain Planet villainy. As well as the evil beer they have subsidiary companies for oil, pharmaceuticals, toys, video games and, worst of all, the RPG company Black Dog, creators of Revenant: The Ravishing, Lycanthrope: The Rapture, and Warlock: The Pretension.
Ghastly stuff.
The horror.
Thai cuisine!
Frick, i just remembered Urist is running around Commoragh
>Urist is running around Commoragh
Fricking what, please explain how that happened.
Leman summoned him into reality
Watch this video to find out.
If you don’t give a shit and want the quick explanation, Leman uses his psyker potential to manifest Urist into existence before immediately setting him upon the nearest Dark Eldar like an attack dog.
That poor cat
Let's not forget "Human: the Protagonist" which is implied be geared and marketed towards vampires and other such creatures.
>Human: the Protagonist
I can just imagine World of Darkness Cinemaphile equivalent making memes about Human:The Protagonist players being chads for no other reason than "The Protagonist" part
Also greentext
>Be me
>Play Human:The Protagonist
>I am a human
>I am one of the protagonists in the rpg
BRAVO BLACK DOG
>World of Darkness Cinemaphile equivalent
There's two, one for old and new. Old has Shrecknet (usenet for nossies) and New has VIIChan (which gets mentioned as occasionally picking on random vampires and getting them staked for the lulz*)
*This book was published 2008, so its a bit dated now.
I don't know if Shrecknet really counts, but fair is fair, also isn't VII also a name of some weirdo vampire antagonist group with sleeper agents out of kazoo in Chronicles of Darkness?
I know its not 1:1, but I find that oWoD is so tied to the 90s (even if its carried on long after then) that Usenet seems like the closest comparison. Certainly the closest feel for occasionally malevolent literal basement dwellers,
And yeah, VII is an antagonist group in Requiem with several different takes you can use, but they're almost always vampires who hunt vampires (or at the very least make their unlives incredibly difficult) and they often have sleeper agents. VIIchan might be related to them or be a poor taste joke by the founder of the website. As the line went on, VII got looked at leass to focus more on kindred infighting and things like the Strix for out of context threats.
If you're vaguely interested in crazy monsters, the "Night Horrors" is a subline of books for antagonists. Requiem got two, Immortal Sinners for villainous vampires (where that snippet was from) and The Wicked Dead for strange things like Penanggalan or
this happy little fella, Cymothoa sanguinaria.
isnt there also hunter(chan)-net
I remember hunter.net is basically used to coordinate with other imbued and discourages you from posting personal information. I would imagine a lot of hunters would have threads about their personal hobbies anyways.
Hunternet is basically Cinemaphile yeah, it's not supposed to be, but frick if the arguments in some of the Creed books don't seem like shit that would crop up here
It would be funny if hunters can figure out who is a vampire or not by how much they love human: the protagonist
>Anon1:Who the frick even plays Human:The Protagonist? It isn't even about slaying monsters and shit, you literally have to file taxes and buy groceries
>Anon2:A plebian like you wouldn't get it
>Anon3:bebethesalamanderseating.jpg
>Anon4:t.vampires
At least one of these anons is an ancient vampire instructing their minions to type on their behalf.
>"Is he mad?"
>"He is very mad, my lord, though pretends otherwise."
>"Good. Goooooood. Now thou'rt to call him an anused b***h and affix the image 'laughing nossies dot jaypeeg' as a reply. We shall see then what his next gambit is."
Ancient Roman vampires must have the time of their unlives with the ol' message boards. Although probably as hunt-and-peck typists.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130422164104/http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%20Pompeii.htm
It's funny because White Wolf/OPP unironically one-upped it's own self-parody by letting an actual sex offender publish Beast the Primordial, and putting the worst kind of Dracula cosplayer in charge of the project that got White Wolf so much bad press it had to rebrand as Onyx Path.
>shithammer
Kek
Cinemaphile is an Elric board
Sir, this is a World of Darkness thread.
I hope Marcus plays a Pentex wargame, made by black dog
Battlemace 50000 is made by another pentex subsidiary called Play Laboratories
1000% percent he and Kitten play one of Black Dogs shit modules like Zombie and think it's the absolute breasts
i just cant take pentex seriously tbh
they are almost as comically evil as nephandi
They're captain planet villains. They make beet that makes its drinkers become what seething frogs think Americans are like and temp tattoos that makes kids serial killers
too bad captain planet has anger issues and keeps mauling the planateers
Their marketing department must be amazingly well funded.
They also run smoker support groups that turn you into a walking, smokestack that breaths nicotine at people, to make them by cigarettes. You also become immune to lung cancer, but only lung cancer and will die from the dozens of other cancers you smoke room lungs will give you
So basically they just shove a vape down your throat and throw you at the nearest playground.
Talk about working smarter not harder.
They basically own the planet for all intents and purposes, and are only rivaled ans kept in check by the Technocracy and repeat attacks by the Garou.
I just started with chapter 1 on youtube. Hoping it gets better because, so far, I'm not impressed.
Just finished a bit more impressed, now. VO and writing could do with some work.
a lot of stuff is explored in the audio logs but if you are iffy on it it just might not be worth it
Are we gonna get another hunter episode? Alfa seems to be working on that half life project according to his patreon
Yeah it's going on hiatus, the Half Life show is just gonna be four episodes then it's back to Hunter again for another arc
Hoping that eventually they'd do all the WoD books. First vampires, then hoping for Werewolves, Mages, Wraiths and eventually everything from the old WoD.
I do wonder if there was no Horus Heresy, would these two be the biggest rivals when it comes to tactics and strategies?
If i recall i think Horus himself acknowledged that Perturabo was a brilliant strategist whenever he wasn't being a manchild
Perty needed more love. While Angron needed the rest of his brain regrown.
Perty needed to grow the frick up and appreciate what he had.
That too.
Nice song at the end
Karl's a talented shitposter
To be fair Horus could've just stormed into the palace and asked "What the frick Dad?!"
Watching the video while I do story time, was there anything American about Rogal Dorn in 40K or 30K?
Being the sternest motherfricker in existence and loving tacos.
One of his most important successor chapters was Mexican
Crimson Fists get enough shit as it is.
oye
Space Hulk: Deathwing
frick em up, dorn's hombres
You make them sound like the speeshmehren equivalent of Hells Angels
nah
cartel
So why are the Black Templars not given shit for how much of a murdertrain they are?
Do you think the imperium DOESN’T want a fanatically loyal murdertrain that kills xenos and demons with fervor that would make Khorne manage half of a grin?
Thats the problem: it makes Khorne manage half a grin.
They want one as long as it's codex compliant
Thats just the Minotaurs
There are worse Marines in terms of friendly causalities, and the Black Templars believe in the Imperial religion so they actually get on ok.
The sketchiest shit about them is their number, which no one besides the Chapter Master really knows beyond "too many", but the Inquisition has decided to be ok with it so long as they don't group up too much.
Rough estimates I remember reading somewhere put them at 6000 which they justify as being OK since they put themselves on permanent crusade.
3rd-4th Ed. Codex and articles like Index Astartes from the time had notes and maps from in universe Inquisitors going "look, this doesn't add up given there's this many crusades reporting in right now"
>There usually numbers three or mare Crusades at any one time - their history shows that during the Treachery of Dalmark there were as many as fourteen Crusades fighting across the Segmentum Solar. The size of a Crusade can also vary widely, sometimes as few as fifty to one hundred Marines, sometimes the equivalent of several Companies from a Codex Chapter. Only the Black Templars themselves have even the roughest idea how many Black Templars Space Mannes there are, but it is obvious that they are far more numerous man most conventional Chapters, although dispersed over a much wider area. If certain accounts are taken to be true, then they could even be as strong as five to six thousand Battle-Brethren in total, a force which in the present lmperium would be all but unstoppable if ever gathered in a single place.
There was usually a little note saying something along the line of "Inquisitor So-and-so mysteriously disappeared after submitting this report, what a shame, probably fine". Similar thing to Inquisitors trying to find out more about these "Fallen" the Dark Angels are so interested in.
The thing is that Black Templars can be so focused on being the most psychotic murderers they can be that they don't feel anything that Khorne can feed on. This was a duel between the OGs, Kharn the Betrayer and Sigismund, even Kharn was freaked out.
>The thing is that Black Templars can be so focused on being the most psychotic murderers they can be that they don't feel anything that Khorne can feed on.
So their basicly going on autpilot when doing their thing.
>The thing is that Black Templars can be so focused on being the most psychotic murderers they can be that they don't feel anything that Khorne can feed on.
Ah yes, the Aenarion tactic.
>The thing is that Black Templars can be so focused on being the most psychotic murderers they can be that they don't feel anything that Khorne can feed on. This was a duel between the OGs, Kharn the Betrayer and Sigismund, even Kharn was freaked out.
You saying they're the "oh boy, here I go killing again" chapter?
Basically
>There are worse Marines in terms of friendly causalities
Marines Malevolent comes to mind
Okay I got to ask is this Rogal Dorn voice actor from TTS at the end?
definitely
Kitten just mentioned he had four brothers and one sister, Do we have any fan theories on who they are?
The Fabulous Custodes would be the obvious answer.
Yes but who would be a good female individual to make the sister?
isn't it obvious?
Celestine
Astropath Sassafras? Celestine?
Oh yeah, kitten is black, isn't he?
like race matters when it comes to the genebabies
>Wait, you're BLACK
>I'm what
>Black
>I don't know what race is, Milord
Paraphrasing but learning about Kitten's race had me in stiches, especially since it was coupled with the Custodes oily bullying
>What the frick? Yo are black, yet yo are shittalking other blacks.
>THEN WHAT IN THE FRICK ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY?
>shows him the literal pitch black skin of Vulcan's children
oh
>those proportions
MEIN DICK
Karstodes
Custodisi
Wamuudes
Diavodes
Not sure who the sister would be.
I would say Santodes is more likely than Diavodes.
The Fabulous Custodes and a Sister of Silence, presumably.
Can someone tell me in the world of Darkness what that Horse was?
Many things
Did Blessed dog die recently? One of my other siblings besides the one who dog I walk her dog did died like a week and a half ago .Going to need to take some time off of story time to walk it's a wench who dog is alive.
>Did Blessed dog die recently?
Frick i hope not
Any word about Boy's mom / Door's wife?
If you read the intermissions, you'd know he was adopted and they found him as a feral child, who is suffering from "Puberty disease" which is why Dorn keeps him on an all meat diet
He's adopted, and also possibly not human, or at least entirely human.
So far it's a toss up between some kind of were-creature youngling, a mage who's soul is on the cusp of ascension, or something else.
boy took that absinthe like a champ
Dorn’s wife was a German-AMERICAN woman with a pronounced lack of humor and a hobby of watching paint dry. Dorn and her met when Dorn mistook her for a particularly bland stack of wood at a hardware store
>Implying Door didn't meet his wife at the hardware store because she reminded him of solid Oak
That was why he agreed to the second date
Door's wife is his finely constructed bed
Im glad they are using old world of darkness lore but that does make me a bit sad on some accounts. I personally prefer changeling the lost and think it has some interesting story hooks and angles. Promethean also has some neat stuff. But overall its the right choice,
A lot of people seem to prefer Lost to Dreaming, but that might just be because nobody has ever played Dreaming.
I've been on /tg/ for years, and I don't think I've ever come across an account of an actual Dreaming game. Having looked through all the metaplots I have to say Dreaming comes across as the most pathetic of the lot. People rightfully shittalk the Garou, but the Changelings are literally dying slowly over time because of LOGIC and FACTS
I know exactly one person who goes to the bat for Dreaming and poo-poos Lost. He hasn't played either game yet, I'm prepping a Lost game right now. I'm prepared to accept Dreaming could be a goodish game, but the themes and mechanics encourage the worst of the fanbase.
What I find ironic is that they seem to be using the Hunter the Vigil rules as a base, which is nWoD. Vigil is also almost universally praised as better than Reckoning, and it has more variety of Hunters. Oh well.
To clarify, Paradox bought out White Wolf and put Swedish Dracula in charge, leading to the Chechen International Incident disaster. Swedish Dracula did not care about anything other than oWoD larps, so what was left of the nWoD devs splintered into Onyx Path, which was much less hands off because they simply didn't have the staff and so freelancers and devs were trusted to work more independently. This led to the Beast rape fantasy disaster. We are trapped in this horrible timeline because the EVE Online developers were somehow less competent than the current mob.
>I know exactly one person who goes to the bat for Dreaming and poo-poos Lost.
I am sincerely, profoundly curious as to why. It can't be as simple as "Lost is too stupidly grimdark", right?
Simply put, its edition wars. They wanted to play oWoD but never actually managed it and simply read lots of the books. nWoD came across as betrayal of the entirely imaginary games they really believed in, so they didn't engage with any of the line (but still felt obligated to put the boot in). I can explain till I'm blue in the face about the interesting things about Lost, or that in practice Dreaming has way more weirdos as a percentage of the player base than any other owod gameline, but it doesn't go in. Old good, new bad. It's not even a unique phenomenon, especially in the WoD world, it's the fact it's Dreaming of all things that makes it peculiar.
This drove me up the wall, but I've solved the issue by calling their bluff and running a nWoD mortals oneshot (which they enjoyed) and I'm planning a short Lost and longer Vigil game now. If they're still that interested they can run a Dreaming game themselves after or anything really, I'd really like to be a player for once even just a session please it doesnt have to L5R or anything even D&D would be fine at this point
...shit, not going to lie: I actually do feel similarly about Exalted 3e relative to 2e. Although I do maintain that 3e's charm design and lore is legitimately badly set up to an alarming, inane and immersion-breaking degree despite the many flaws in 2e.
>an Exalted fan, of any edition
... you poor bastard
GOD YOU HAVE NO IDEA
NO UNDERSTANDING
OF WHAT IT IS LIKE, BEING AN INFERNALS FAN AND KNOWING JUST HOW FAR BACK ON THE QUEUE THEY ARE
On the plus side, judging from the Exigents draft the devs are slowly realising they lowered the power curve too much for Solars to the extent that they've warmed to the idea of large scale Essence level-boosted abilities even for the OC bargain bin Exalts who (mostly) aren't even supposed to be Solar-tier. Between them and Lunars, at the rate things are going by the time we get to Abyssals and Infernals they'll leave Solars in the dirt given how botched 3e core was.
>how botched was 3e core,
you ask? Let me put it this way: The War charmline was left half-unfinished so weaker Exalts have more a comprehensive showing of War charms than Solars likely ever will at the rate OPP published, and the book contradicts itself on whether or not Dragonblooded should be dealt with via mass combat.
PLAY 1E YOU FRICKING COWARD
YOU WON'T
FIGHT ME
anyone know what's up with the body in the credits?
listen horse's prophecy again
good shit
Any good shit to read to get into this setting?
Every splat book. I'm serious.
BUT if you can't do that on a time crunch, then get Vampires playbook and work from there.
Play Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines from 2004, though you have to mod the absolute shit out of it to get it playable and decent to look at. But it's a massive crash course into the setting while also being a fun as frick RPG. I'm still chipping away at my first playthrough, but there's 7 different character classes, 5 endings, and it's one of those good old RPGs where there are so many different endings and resolutions to quests that you might as well look at a 20 page flowchart to see all of the variations and dialogue. High, high quality stuff, I'm glad a buddy of mine recommended it right before Alfabusa released the first episode.
So how old, generally, do Kindred be in WoD without being hilariously OP? We all know 3rd and 4th Gen are broken, but those guys could be 4000+ years old. Would it be possible to meet an extremely old 8th or 9th gen from Classical Antiquity? Though Kindred who last more than a century are probably few and far between already considering how cutthroat WoD is.
With the exception of the Methuselah (who are at least as old as the tale of Noah's Ark/Jesus) it varies from generation to generation, but there's no fixed average for Kindred since it's all up to personal ability
It's plausible but unlikely since something would probably kill them sooner or later on the way if they're relatively weak late gens.
Playable vamps in Masquerade range from 8th to 13th (with 13th being the standard gen, and 14th and 15th gen being thinbloods you need an expansion book to use). Dark Ages Vampire, the medieval game, has 7th to 12th as standard. 8th-9th gen are usually from about the 1300s. In theory you could have a classical era high gen vampire, but they'd have to be the result of a whole lot of vampires speedrunning the time of thin blood and then the old/high vampire being very lucky to survive to modern nights. If your ST approves though go for it. Old/low Methusalah vampires are right at the barely playable / storyteller fiat scale.
Requiem vampires have Blood Potency rather than generation, so there are definitely a few kicking about from the Ancient Rome era (and before!). Blood Potency increases over time automatically, and decreases when theyre resting in torpor. The problem is that Requiem vampires can lose their memories or get confused about events while in torpor, so they can wake up not remembering details about their last time awake. One of the big things these vampires do is try to set things up so that when they wake up they have trustworthy diaries to hand and getting paranoid about rivals changing them[/spoilers].
Honestly since much if the characters are like, alternate universe versions of the TTS characters the chaos gods as true fae would work pretty well.
The lost is also just a solid splat in general
Shame its OWoD then, so unlease they mix the streams, they won't be. But Yeah, Changeling the Lost is radical. The Scarecrow ministry are my homies
is there a specific reason why they couldn't just mix-and-match the stuff from Old and New WoD? It's not like it has to adhere 100% to the settings canon after all. Or would it just become a convoluted mess?
There's translation guides for the big 3 plus Demon, which are designed to help you port ideas from one setting to the other if they did want to mix and match. There isn't one for Changeling, however, and Dreaming vs Lost would be a complete flustercuck of themes combined. They're already mixing stuff up though, and its likely most people watching it will be casual fans, so the main barriers would come down to people like me, if I'm being honest having conniptions.
Well we are on a Mongolian Basket Weaving forum, so I can respect the autism.
I don't know, given how much each splat is super convinced of their own version of reality, kludging LOST in to place shouldn't be hard. Fae bullshit is easy to explain away as Fae bullshit. It also becomes easy for me to see that each splat is only seeing part of the truth of a degenerated physical reality. In making splats work together at all, even if you used only all Old or New, you kind of have to deal with that anyway. Besides, every WoD game is going to be a bit homebrewy just from people's interpretations of the more open ended questions.
What I do know is that Kitten being a changeling, like some of the theories, would be super fricked for one reason. Inevitably a true fae is going to come looking for him.
True fae don't go after dreaming changelings, cause they aren't in Old WoD. There'd be nothing fricked up about Kitten Being a Dreaming changeling, because he fricking clearly isn't one cause he isn't dancing around tossing glitter and shit around and acting like a manchild. And it's obvious He isn't a Lost changeling, despite the obvious, because he also in no way resembles one
More likely, he's a baset or Baset kinfolk, considering his cat like attributes and the fact he kicked A nagajara out of a window while it was full up on vitae
Reread the post
Mhmm, yep still moron
The point of the post was how easily you could include what's needed with minimal issue, illiterate-san.
No you couldn't moron kun
Yeah you could.
The base book was pretty obscure about exactly what was causing the powers. Giving it more of a strange vibe not knowing who or what was driving these compulsions. Which is what a 1E game of hunters need. How do you know you're even helping the situation?
You really couldn't.
You really could.
Nuh uh
Yuh huh.
I roll manipulation + persuasion.
NUH UH!
I roll Brawl+ dexterity to kick you in the balls
The true flaw of the storyteller system shows itself again...
>Inevitably a true fae is going to come looking for him.
Again, Don't exist in Old WoD. And they really haven't mixed World or Chronicles at all. They're just baseline hunters, those exist in OWoD, not every fricker who decided to go "Man I wanna kill vampires" was imbued. Those were the special hunters, most of them were average joes.
Shit meant to link
this guy as well. Since really, as a guy who prefers Chronicles, there's really nothing they've pulled from it. The hunters are just what hunters were before Imbued became a thing, which are normal dudes. Which Vigil hunters are, until they level up enough.
Yeah, that's why Vigil is one of the Chronicles splats preferred over its Old World counterpart. Reckoning made the mistake of, instead of putting you in the shoes of the scrappy motherfrickers who players had been stomping in Masquerade, Apocalypse or Ascension for years, they made them agents of god standing on equal footing. People wanted to play the Hunters who went after monsters with sheer grit and tenacity and cunning, not special snowflakes with angel powers that were added in above the NPC Hunters
Vigil learned from this mistakes, and focused on the little guys people had wanted Reckoning to be about, with an option to become Big scary frickers if you wanted.
Yeah, really, Reckoning's Imbued could be made a conspiracy without any trouble, at least fluff wise. Hunters really are the same in both settings
Besides that Vigil gives you more toys to play with a bunch of colorful groups like Ashwood Abey and shit
Precisely. Though for some reason the Uratha smacked a bunch of brineborn babies against rocks.
In fairness, not playing an Imbued is possible. It's just painful and hard compared to the alternative. Especially since unlike Imbued, you can't fall back on being completely off your gourd.
Yeah, but that's just playing a mortal. Which, really no one does. Like, its easier to do in Chronicles, but no ones gonna do it. Unless you're running like, an innocents game or something. In Old World, its a much greater pain in the ass, both from In game difficulty and from setting the game up.
Really sounds like you should be playing a Hunter in Vigil you might as well just be roleplaying Alexander Anderson
Reckoning, how can you get that mixed up? Reckoning Hunters, the imbued were the ones given missions from god.
Vigil hunters are guys who, might find out they're decended from demons, or get a big enough goverment spook gig to get a laser gun, or become a labrat for psionic powers, or become a fricking slasher, or my favourite, FRICKING FLEECE/ SCAM SUPERNATURAL POWERS AWAY FROM MONSTERS
Man your reading comprehension is shit
Personally, my favourite compact are the nerds who learned how to make it so they record supernaturals, like vampires and ghosts. And they're specifically mentioned as being close to becoming a full blown conspiracy, just because of that.
>Reckoning made the mistake o
No, reckoning made the mistake of literally not being playable as written. Literally does not work as written. There's no way to get any number of mechanics to actually work without the ST making up rules for them to work.
Well yeah, but the angel powers thing was also a mistake
Most of which, even if the ST realized they need to handcraft a system to actually get them, don't do much to help you. And then drive you insane for getting something on the tier of protecting you from a stubbed toe.
There's a lot of reasons to forget 1E hunter exists. The flavor wasn't really the issue.
Yeah but the flavor really is the cherry ontop of that particular shit sundae
It would be super convoluted, even by the already convoluted standards of oWoD. Also, they just don't mix. The Uratha don't mix with the Garou or Fera because they aren't horrible murderous dicks who ruined literally everything, Awakening doesn't mesh with Ascension because the Supernal, Abyss and Exarchs make no sense in a setting where the Umbra and Technocracy exists, neither version of Changeling meshes, nor do the two versions of Demon, etc. It would just be a mess.
the fae and some of the werewolves have historically worked together (namely the fianna) so having the true fae be complete buttholes would be akward. Compared to nWod, the major theme of oWod is the loss of wonder and beauty in the world due to an overabundance of weaver/pattern influence and the loss of arcadia means that the fae are greatly weakened and cant so the rape baby stuff even if they wanted to. The role of the seelie fae are supposed to be inspirations and muses to the mortals fighting for the return of wonder to the world.
Yeah, they just aren't compatible. Like Dreaming stands out from the rest of the OWoD splats, but you can't just slot in Lost in its place, as much as I'd like to.
Not Requiem vampires could be easily switched out, comparatively