You know it’s crazy how back in 2015 we all interpreted his death as another Ben Kenobi situation and didn’t know it was just Kathleen Kennedy’s seething rage towards everything that everything Lucas created.
The idea that Disney bought a beloved franchise just to give it to someone who is more concerned about her political/social agenda than the fans was inconceivable.
>The idea that Disney bought a beloved franchise just to give it to someone who is more concerned about her political/social agenda than the fans was inconceivable
kek not to me. Call me a /misc/gay but by 2012 I had been expecting this of companies and I knew as soon as I saw the trailer it was going to be this way.
Having Han Solo back to die made sense.
Having Han Solo back to be a miserable old man that separated from Leia to go back to smuggling, with a Luke so disconnected from the force he failed to even realize his friend Han died, is what is the problem.
Making the entire old cast of heroes end up as miserable failures who lost everything they built after RoTJ will always fricking piss me off, that’s just unforgivable.
>Making the entire old cast of heroes end up as miserable failures who lost everything they built after RoTJ will always fricking piss me off, that’s just unforgivable.
Holy shit this, this is what gets me fricking angry, EVERYONE of the old gang is miserable and EVERYONE of the new characters isn't well developed. You don't give a shit about ANY of the 3 main guys. I don't think Isaac's character even talks to Rey for like a movie and a half, maybe more. And the old guys are just straight up depressing to watch
The prequels were shit but they at least developed their characters and had them TALK TO EACH OTHER
Seriously, why the frick wasn't Finn used after the first movie?
Rian originally wrote a story where Finn and Poe went off on a mission together. He scrapped that story in favor of Poe sitting around doing things that were right but which the story contrived to say were wrong (yes, REBELS should definitely blindly follow orders that look likely to get them all killed, that makes sense). Finn was partnered with a new character, Rose, to go off and Fail at casinoplanet stuff.
The reason why he decided not to do the Finn-and-Poe story was... he wrote the dialogue for them interacting, looked at it, and decided he couldn't make the two characters sound different. I swear to fricking God, that's what he said. He couldn't think of dialogue that would come out of the mouth of the "I don't want to be here" former Storm Trooper, without making it sound like dialogue that could have come out of the flippant devil-may-care rebel pilot.
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I’m beginning to think maybe all those writers fricking deserve to get replaced by AI, like how do you fail that badly that you can’t have two guys talk to each other without both sounding the same.
9 months ago
Anonymous
What they did to Finn makes me so sad.
Midway through episode 7 we had an ex-stormtrooper that decided to pursue his own freedom wielding a lightsaber in combat.
That was fricking cool.
And it gets all thrown away and the only real part of Finn's character that comes back to being a stormtrooper is they unnecessarily introduce another character that was once a stormtrooper and quit and also happens to be played by an actress of the same race because of fricking course.
They didn't have to give all of the main character status to just Rey, you can have a story with 2 Jedi in it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
There was no fixing what Rian broke. The sequels got off to a rocky start that could've stabilized, and then the baton was passed to a guy that admitted he was just throwing shit against the wall to make things "interesting" for whoever followed him. JJ assembled a bit of a clunky car, gave the keys to Rian, who proceeded to remove the engine and wheels then throw the keys in a swamp going "it'll be fun for whoever has to drive this next!"
9 months ago
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A post about TLJ when it released that's really stuck with me was an anon talking about how Rian was so consumed with deconstructing every facet of Star Wars, by the time the credits rolled he had forgotten to build anything in its place.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Dude you can tell the EXACT moment Finn gets cucked out of MC status >When he gets his ass beat on the jungle planet and gets bailed out by Han
AND the EXACT moment Rey steals the MC status from him >When she completely no sells a trained jedi/sith's mind probing
But I think the worst part is how they just ruthlessly humiliate Finn from making him just a janitor to making him a fricking buffoon in the sequel. Someone had to have waifued Rey and got mad about that almost kiss after the Falcon chase, that kind of shit is the kind of petty homosexualry a waifu gay would do
9 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/obWizwC.jpg
Hur HUR dur DUR dur
no you're not supposed to talk about that, only racists and misogynists would criticize the new trilogy! only incels would say finn should be with rey! rey was always meant for... *checks notes* a war criminal that mind rapes across a galaxy!
9 months ago
Anonymous
Rey should declare herself empress and frick Ahsoka.
9 months ago
Anonymous
On one hand, it's possible that Rian is just that incompetent a writer. On the other, that could just some bullshit he came up with because he wanted to force Rose and Finn together for that subplot (it's pretty obvious that Rose is Rian's pet character).
9 months ago
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>Knives Out is a relatively well-put-together murder mystery >Glass Onion is literally about how the most obvious answer is the correct one because the villain is a moron
hrm
9 months ago
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And? A Detective Story isn't bad if the most obvious villain is the correct one. Hell, some of the best Sherlock Holmes stories went "yup, it's that douchebag" right at the start, and Columbo told us the killer in every ep. Sometimes the fun is figuring out who did it (Agatha Christy excelled at that), and other times the fun is watching the detective piece things together and build a case.
Now if you wanted to mock the whole "she's SO honest she can't tell a lie without throwing up" thing, go ahead. But "the most obvious villain is the right one" is true in many great detective stories.
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I have absolutely no doubt in mind that it is 100% true. He could have come up with all sorts of wild explanations that would have made him look better than what he said.
He gave Finn and Poe separate plots (where both of them failed miserably) because when he was writing dialogue he couldn't make the characters sound different from one another. That is TOTALLY believable.
The OT did such a masterful job selling the core group of heroes as friends who’ve been through thick and thin together. Luke and Hans conversation after Han’s unfrozen says so much with a couple throwaway lines. In the ST Finn and Poe are the only characters who actually seem like they even know, let alone like, each other.
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Its interesting how you can compare it to Top Gun. Admittedly, it helps that its a Tom Cruise vehicle and he's very protective/controlling, but its a sequel long after the original, does a handover to a new-but-connected team, and still manages to be respectful to the original cast (fair play to Val Kilmer, dude is clearly still suffering but he still did his small role well).
>with a Luke so disconnected from the force he failed to even realize his friend Han died, is what is the problem.
I still can't believe that TLJ cut out the secen where Luke Skywalker reacts to Han Solo's death. Was that scene where the midget alien tries to hump BB8 really that more important to your movie Rian, you shitty hack?
Ford coming back disproves the whole "he played Han again just to die" myth fanboys have been spouting for years. If he REALLY didn't like Star Wars he could have told Kathleen and JJ to kiss his ass because he's already rich.
Harrison Ford probably wasn't going to do the role unless they promised to kill Han Solo. He probably had a party at his house on the night the movie premiered and Han died.
>Won't do Han Solo because he's a stupid swashbuckling character >Will dig Indiana Jones out of the grave for 2+ movies despite being the same character
It's because Han Solo had nothing to do as a character after Empire and he felt it would've been better for the story to just die there or at least in ROTJ. He spends almost all of that movie being a blind idiot or standing next to a door so I kind of see his point.
>You know it’s crazy how back in 2015 we all
Who the frick is "we"? I saw TFA for the garbage was at the time and all you apologetic homosexuals gave people like me shit for it.
Anyone who was able to convince themselves to overlook the kanjiclub/tentacleball scene on the first watch is responsible for ghe state of modern media.
....No, it was pretty obvious even all those years ago that Kennedy was an egomaniacal psychopath and that everything that happened in TFA was her petty, impotent way of destroying the old Star Wars so only her new Star Wars would exist and thus give her all the credit for making a new version of the old thing that didn't need any of the legacy actors.
Attack of the Clones is still by far the worst Star Wars movie
Why is it even called Attack of the Clones when the clones don't even attack anyone? Revenge of the Sith should be called Attack of the Clones since the clones kill all the Jedi.
It's shit but a different kid of shit than Rise of Skywalker
Both are still shit, stop trying to go >OH BUT THIS SMELLS BETTER!!!
You're still eating shit
Is that the one where it turned out they could have been doing hyperspace kamikaze attacks to take out giant ships, and it's just that nobody figured it out until Admiral Girlboss used it (after 99.999999999999999999999999999 of the Resistance was fricked)?
No Holdo Maneuver that was instantly retconned into being a million in one chance implying that, contrary to what the last movie portrayed, it was an act of cowardice/stupidity and not a heroic sacrifice, NO worst movie.
Also it had Christopher Lee, who automatically has more acting talent than everyone in The Last Jedi combined.
What part of it was a million to one chance?
Hitting every ship, hitting A ship, or damaging ships when you hit them with a large mass moving incredibly fast?
Prequels had good art design, which is probably the most important thing in SW. Sequels just had mushy humanoids and OT vehicles but bigger, one wing added or removed, and maybe a panel painted red.
Prequels did not have inferior writing to the shitshow of NuWars including bangers like "somehow, Palpatine returned" and "the fat angry b***h crashes into Finn so he DOESN'T blow up an enemy war machine, letting many more people die, and then smooches him. This is instantly forgotten about in the next movie, as if the characters themselves are as disgusted and ashamed of what has just happened as the viewer"
Yeah, the worst plot related issue for the prequels is that they were convoluted. You can make excuses for plenty of the convoluted shit like Jango's attempted assassination of Padme as just a convoluted way for the Jedi to go to Kamino, meanwhile nothing in the sequels makes any fricking sense starting from the fricking title crawl of 7
It's also worth noting that in the prequels, shit like R2D2 and C3PO bumbling around and accidentally blowing up a war droid factory or helping young Anakin destroy a space was portrayed as either a haha funny moment, or a heroically whimsical deus ex machina to remind you who the hero is and how he contributed to saving the day.
Something I don't see a lot of people talking about NuWars is that the older movies, even the prequels, were written with kids in mind. NuWars is written with the assumption that the viewer is an adult capable of relating to the washed out frickups and stressed out/smug nothingburgers populating it's cast.
What part of it was a million to one chance?
Hitting every ship, hitting A ship, or damaging ships when you hit them with a large mass moving incredibly fast?
It working at all.
You just KNOW that on some level it was meant to make Holdo look more impressive at one point, but based on how offhandedly it was dismissed (to kill the idea of them ever doing it again) from everyone's point of view Holdo did something that had a 99.9999% chance of ending up like this:
And, in-universe, seemed like she was either moronic all along or a coward trying to escape the resistance after realising her failure to communicate screwed them all even harder than they would have been.
It's honestly hard to tell who seems like a more plausible First Order mole, her or the fat asian mechanic with the dead sister
>went from wanting absolute control despite what everyone else was saying to selling it off because he couldn't cope that a lot of his ideas sucked
I know Star Wars fans are whiny autists that took things way too far but his stubbornness only made it worse.
I remember watching the prequel movies as a kid. I thought it was crock of bullshit from the start, that the Force didn't make sense (and not in a fun way), that there were a lot of impressive set pieces but very little substance behind them and that even early on the supposed "Dark Lord of the Sith" being chumped out by some kid from bumfrick nowhere in an aerial battle was pathetic. The only distinct thing the snarky princess did I remembered was snogging her own brother and ending up in a slave bikini, which confused the shit out of younger me and his boner.
You shouldn't have sold it to Disney George. You could've just put it on ice or let some other stooges run it for you. You chose to sell it to the slavers.
There is a ton of things wrong with the prequel trilogy, but at least they didn't try to actively undermine and destroy everything that the original trilogy stand for.
Dude straight up wanted to make a movie about how the midichlorians go on Osmosis Jones/Cells at Work adventures...since yeah, he made midichlorians and always intended for them to be tiny people living inside you which is dumb.
He's not capable of doing stuff by himself, he needs people to filter him.
Attack of the Clones is still by far the worst Star Wars movie
as a single movie? no
and as bad as the script was for episodes 1-3, it still wasn't as bad as the new trilogy. you'd think that a new group of people could write better, but that absolutely did not happen and episodes 1-3 will always be the best trilogy for saber fights. that's not even up for debate
>and as bad as the script was for episodes 1-3, it still wasn't as bad as the new trilogy. you'd think that a new group of people could write better, but that absolutely did not happen
Its worse in a way, because you've got the Prequels as a model of what NOT to do. Their weaknesses have been forensically dissected over twenty years, everyone involved should have been familiar with them. And yet they manage to keep the stodgy dialogue and moments of poor plotting, but also remove all the interesting stuff. 50s diner guy but an alien was a misstep, but at least he was more interesting to look at than the umpteenth beige blob man.
>"Mutt, you c**t. I hope you die in Space Vietnam! Where am I? George, get my plane ready. I've got to fly to Space Heaven or whatever the frick you wrote."
I can't believe the decisions that were made in the movies.
Wasn't there anyone supervising the project? Monkeys throwing fruit at a board with vague terms written on it would have created something more coherent.
They really thought they could wing a new trilogy it with no overarching plot or theme in mind, with a separate writer/director for each movie, while opening with fricking JJ Abrams getting first crack with his mystery boxes.
And got so bad at the end that instead of having the 3rd writer for episode 9, they just get JJ back just because episode 7 had been received better at the start since the mass audience liked the regurgitated New Hope for a brief time.
How they went into this multi-billion dollar purchase with no intention to plan out anything, I have no idea.
They assumed people will eat any slop given to them and for the most part they’re right
One or two bad received movies still didn’t stop them from pumping out constant Star Wars shit on TV
I guess but it’s amazing how everyone still gets excited for the orange chick getting some show when from what I hear kenobi sucked and mandelorian was good for 1 season
Now they just know where to shovel the shit
I don't think anyone is actually excited for Orange Buttcheeks' series
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I’m somewhat excited for it, but not for her but because it’s basically Rebels season five.
9 months ago
Anonymous
that's even worse
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Rebels season five
That's not a plus
>Won't do Han Solo because he's a stupid swashbuckling character >Will dig Indiana Jones out of the grave for 2+ movies despite being the same character
Harrison Ford probably wasn't going to do the role unless they promised to kill Han Solo. He probably had a party at his house on the night the movie premiered and Han died.
Listen.
Listen, your mistake is assuming Harrison cares about Star Wars as much as you do.
I'm sure he does hate Han. Maybe he likes Indy better, who knows, I can't imagine enjoying Dial of Destiny setting him up with a second Rey. But you know what Harrison Ford likes more than he hates anything?
Money.
Fat fricking paycheck stonks going U P, pay the man enough and he'll squeal like a pig while eating his own hat
9 months ago
Anonymous
I know a guy who eats up all this Disney slop while admitting it’s bad. I don’t understand it but he’s slightly autistic
9 months ago
Anonymous
He probably likes Star Wars as a setting more than he likes it as a narrative experience. I mostly feel the same way about the Jurassic Park trilogy.
It did loose a lot of peoples interest since it made the Mando basically a supporting character to Bo-Katan in his own show, not to mention it had the whole reunion of him and Grogu happen in the Boba Fett show so you had to have watched that to understand why they are together again.
Disney is doing the exact same shit they did with all their MCU shows and movies making them TOO interconnected.
I can't speak for everyone, but my feeling was that Mando season 1 was pretty cool, yes there is a cute baby but its mainly about this Mandalorian's series of adventures for pay/
But most of season 2 just dragged on with sidestories to nowhere and its clear they were abusing the streaming format by not knowing where to trim the fat.
Stuff that for a Television network would get axed to fit in the allotted half-hour / hour got to just stay at full runtime. If you were not a super hard core SW fan that eats up every detail of everything, you would be bored to hell by the middle of season 2. And I was pretty bored despite knowing more about Star Wars than most.
Didn't watch Season 3 after the shit they pulled in book of Boba Fett.
The Mando show does have a varied run time for each episode, some only last 30 minutes. They are bizarre though, how some are paced well and others suck. I don't know where the TV people went who managed to turn out 22 episodes of 45-60 minutes EVERY year ON time but this isn't just Lucasfilms issue, hollywood has the same problem.
Here's 7 episodes which we took two years to make... old shows are better written, better paced, better produced.
Mando season 2 is mainly cameos and backdoor pilots for spin off shows, >cobb vanth, Boba Fett, Bo Katan, Boba Fett, Luke skywalker
They became too greedy and thought of spin offs before making a decent story, it should end at seaaon 2.seasseason 3 is weirdly paced that you get to the finale and wonder if that is the show finished.
Yeah there's plenty of morons who are so deep in sunk cost for Star Wars and worship the brand hard enough to hand wave a lot of the frick ups. As long as they get their moronic Jedi shit they don't care
Chewbacca got shafted the most in the sequels, all his old friends are fricking dead and he’s stuck with Rey now who just kind of assumes ownership of the Falcon I guess.
Rey's most consistent characteristic is just kind of assuming ownership of anything not nailed down around her, like the scavenger she is. Up to and including the Skywalker family name.
I just feel bad for Zoomers (and whatever the hell came after them). I'm not saying all old media is perfect (lolno) but still, you have something like Star Wars where the rebels from all sorts of different backgrounds said "if we don't do it, nobody will," took a stand against an evil empire and won, finding love and starting a new and better way of life.
And the megacorporations bought that story (and others like it) retooling it to be "Actually the heroes all failed, their love rotted, their sense of responsibility withered, the villains came back stronger than ever, and just look at Han and Leia's kid." Sure it ends with evil being vanquished... again... but Jesus what a fricking story to be given. If the heroes win it won't last, the bad guys will just come back, and all the young heroes will grow up to be bitter joyless failures.
It's not enough that the Megacorps make the real world shit, they even introduce rot into the escapist fantasy that dreamed of good defeating evil.
I do have an idea for a third starwars trilogy that actually takes the concepts somewhere new but I doubt they'll do anything but more good verses evil establishment vs insurgency for the rest of the franchise's lifespan
>good verses evil establishment vs insurgency for the rest of the franchise's lifespan
You know what sucks they could have flipped the formula and made a good establishment vs evil insurgency story instead, shit was perfectly set up for it. >Rebel alliance is now in charge but having a hard time getting back to "normal" >Imperial remnants that didn't get absorbed into the new republic have gone off into the hinterlands of space and turned into space ISIS >They're actively trying to get their hands on hidden Imperial doomsday devices >Race against time to find the terrorists
And in sequels you can add >Republic is getting more and more repressive in dealing with First Order terrorism >First Order is getting progressively more and more extreme in their beliefs to the point of starting up Sith worship and other death cult shit
But no we gotta just rehash the Original Trilogy but worse
People who defend the sequel trilogy baffle me. You can't even get a solid answer of what the stakes are. Are the new republic supposed to be a huge powerful entity or a weak collapsing one? Are the first order a small fringe faction? Or a huge powerful one? The answer is both and neither, nothing makes sense.
All of you should shut up and consoom Filoni's slop, he's saving star wars right now. Every morning he's having kung fu fights with Kathleen Kennedy over the spirit of star wars.
You know it’s crazy how back in 2015 we all interpreted his death as another Ben Kenobi situation and didn’t know it was just Kathleen Kennedy’s seething rage towards everything that everything Lucas created.
The idea that Disney bought a beloved franchise just to give it to someone who is more concerned about her political/social agenda than the fans was inconceivable.
I always attributed it to Harrison Ford's long known desire to kill Han Solo.
>The idea that Disney bought a beloved franchise just to give it to someone who is more concerned about her political/social agenda than the fans was inconceivable
kek not to me. Call me a /misc/gay but by 2012 I had been expecting this of companies and I knew as soon as I saw the trailer it was going to be this way.
Are you moronic? This was the only way they were getting Harrison Ford back for the role.
Having Han Solo back to die made sense.
Having Han Solo back to be a miserable old man that separated from Leia to go back to smuggling, with a Luke so disconnected from the force he failed to even realize his friend Han died, is what is the problem.
Making the entire old cast of heroes end up as miserable failures who lost everything they built after RoTJ will always fricking piss me off, that’s just unforgivable.
>Making the entire old cast of heroes end up as miserable failures who lost everything they built after RoTJ will always fricking piss me off, that’s just unforgivable.
Holy shit this, this is what gets me fricking angry, EVERYONE of the old gang is miserable and EVERYONE of the new characters isn't well developed. You don't give a shit about ANY of the 3 main guys. I don't think Isaac's character even talks to Rey for like a movie and a half, maybe more. And the old guys are just straight up depressing to watch
The prequels were shit but they at least developed their characters and had them TALK TO EACH OTHER
Seriously, why the frick wasn't Finn used after the first movie?
Rian originally wrote a story where Finn and Poe went off on a mission together. He scrapped that story in favor of Poe sitting around doing things that were right but which the story contrived to say were wrong (yes, REBELS should definitely blindly follow orders that look likely to get them all killed, that makes sense). Finn was partnered with a new character, Rose, to go off and Fail at casinoplanet stuff.
The reason why he decided not to do the Finn-and-Poe story was... he wrote the dialogue for them interacting, looked at it, and decided he couldn't make the two characters sound different. I swear to fricking God, that's what he said. He couldn't think of dialogue that would come out of the mouth of the "I don't want to be here" former Storm Trooper, without making it sound like dialogue that could have come out of the flippant devil-may-care rebel pilot.
I’m beginning to think maybe all those writers fricking deserve to get replaced by AI, like how do you fail that badly that you can’t have two guys talk to each other without both sounding the same.
What they did to Finn makes me so sad.
Midway through episode 7 we had an ex-stormtrooper that decided to pursue his own freedom wielding a lightsaber in combat.
That was fricking cool.
And it gets all thrown away and the only real part of Finn's character that comes back to being a stormtrooper is they unnecessarily introduce another character that was once a stormtrooper and quit and also happens to be played by an actress of the same race because of fricking course.
They didn't have to give all of the main character status to just Rey, you can have a story with 2 Jedi in it.
There was no fixing what Rian broke. The sequels got off to a rocky start that could've stabilized, and then the baton was passed to a guy that admitted he was just throwing shit against the wall to make things "interesting" for whoever followed him. JJ assembled a bit of a clunky car, gave the keys to Rian, who proceeded to remove the engine and wheels then throw the keys in a swamp going "it'll be fun for whoever has to drive this next!"
A post about TLJ when it released that's really stuck with me was an anon talking about how Rian was so consumed with deconstructing every facet of Star Wars, by the time the credits rolled he had forgotten to build anything in its place.
Dude you can tell the EXACT moment Finn gets cucked out of MC status
>When he gets his ass beat on the jungle planet and gets bailed out by Han
AND the EXACT moment Rey steals the MC status from him
>When she completely no sells a trained jedi/sith's mind probing
But I think the worst part is how they just ruthlessly humiliate Finn from making him just a janitor to making him a fricking buffoon in the sequel. Someone had to have waifued Rey and got mad about that almost kiss after the Falcon chase, that kind of shit is the kind of petty homosexualry a waifu gay would do
no you're not supposed to talk about that, only racists and misogynists would criticize the new trilogy! only incels would say finn should be with rey! rey was always meant for... *checks notes* a war criminal that mind rapes across a galaxy!
Rey should declare herself empress and frick Ahsoka.
On one hand, it's possible that Rian is just that incompetent a writer. On the other, that could just some bullshit he came up with because he wanted to force Rose and Finn together for that subplot (it's pretty obvious that Rose is Rian's pet character).
>Knives Out is a relatively well-put-together murder mystery
>Glass Onion is literally about how the most obvious answer is the correct one because the villain is a moron
hrm
And? A Detective Story isn't bad if the most obvious villain is the correct one. Hell, some of the best Sherlock Holmes stories went "yup, it's that douchebag" right at the start, and Columbo told us the killer in every ep. Sometimes the fun is figuring out who did it (Agatha Christy excelled at that), and other times the fun is watching the detective piece things together and build a case.
Now if you wanted to mock the whole "she's SO honest she can't tell a lie without throwing up" thing, go ahead. But "the most obvious villain is the right one" is true in many great detective stories.
I have absolutely no doubt in mind that it is 100% true. He could have come up with all sorts of wild explanations that would have made him look better than what he said.
He gave Finn and Poe separate plots (where both of them failed miserably) because when he was writing dialogue he couldn't make the characters sound different from one another. That is TOTALLY believable.
The OT did such a masterful job selling the core group of heroes as friends who’ve been through thick and thin together. Luke and Hans conversation after Han’s unfrozen says so much with a couple throwaway lines. In the ST Finn and Poe are the only characters who actually seem like they even know, let alone like, each other.
Its interesting how you can compare it to Top Gun. Admittedly, it helps that its a Tom Cruise vehicle and he's very protective/controlling, but its a sequel long after the original, does a handover to a new-but-connected team, and still manages to be respectful to the original cast (fair play to Val Kilmer, dude is clearly still suffering but he still did his small role well).
>with a Luke so disconnected from the force he failed to even realize his friend Han died, is what is the problem.
I still can't believe that TLJ cut out the secen where Luke Skywalker reacts to Han Solo's death. Was that scene where the midget alien tries to hump BB8 really that more important to your movie Rian, you shitty hack?
Oh so RoS didn’t happen
Ford coming back disproves the whole "he played Han again just to die" myth fanboys have been spouting for years. If he REALLY didn't like Star Wars he could have told Kathleen and JJ to kiss his ass because he's already rich.
Harrison Ford probably wasn't going to do the role unless they promised to kill Han Solo. He probably had a party at his house on the night the movie premiered and Han died.
>Won't do Han Solo because he's a stupid swashbuckling character
>Will dig Indiana Jones out of the grave for 2+ movies despite being the same character
You just know he wants them to kill Indy as well, he was probably hoping for it back in Crystal Skull.
He was probably disappointed that they didn't do it in Dial of Destiny
he likes being Indy but hates being Han for whatever reason
It's because Han Solo had nothing to do as a character after Empire and he felt it would've been better for the story to just die there or at least in ROTJ. He spends almost all of that movie being a blind idiot or standing next to a door so I kind of see his point.
>You know it’s crazy how back in 2015 we all
Who the frick is "we"? I saw TFA for the garbage was at the time and all you apologetic homosexuals gave people like me shit for it.
Anyone who was able to convince themselves to overlook the kanjiclub/tentacleball scene on the first watch is responsible for ghe state of modern media.
....No, it was pretty obvious even all those years ago that Kennedy was an egomaniacal psychopath and that everything that happened in TFA was her petty, impotent way of destroying the old Star Wars so only her new Star Wars would exist and thus give her all the credit for making a new version of the old thing that didn't need any of the legacy actors.
Say it
Attack of the Clones is still by far the worst Star Wars movie
Cope troony
Why do you hate your own kin?
Attack of The Clones was good and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
>Sifo Dyas plot is completely dropped by the next movie
>all those hoops they had to jump through to set up Owen as Anakin's brother
Why is it even called Attack of the Clones when the clones don't even attack anyone? Revenge of the Sith should be called Attack of the Clones since the clones kill all the Jedi.
your a fricking mouth breathing moron
Oh yeah? Well you're a nose breathing moron
are these bots?
or just very, very stupid people?
It's shit but a different kid of shit than Rise of Skywalker
Both are still shit, stop trying to go
>OH BUT THIS SMELLS BETTER!!!
You're still eating shit
Is that the one where it turned out they could have been doing hyperspace kamikaze attacks to take out giant ships, and it's just that nobody figured it out until Admiral Girlboss used it (after 99.999999999999999999999999999 of the Resistance was fricked)?
No Holdo Maneuver that was instantly retconned into being a million in one chance implying that, contrary to what the last movie portrayed, it was an act of cowardice/stupidity and not a heroic sacrifice, NO worst movie.
Also it had Christopher Lee, who automatically has more acting talent than everyone in The Last Jedi combined.
What part of it was a million to one chance?
Hitting every ship, hitting A ship, or damaging ships when you hit them with a large mass moving incredibly fast?
The sequel trilogy being a nightmare made real doesn't negate the fact that the prequels sucked George.
Prequels had inferior writing but they were still fun movies and gave us a ton of great EU material.
they had fun sequences stuck in interminably boring slogs and EU material doesn't make the movies good.
Prequels had good art design, which is probably the most important thing in SW. Sequels just had mushy humanoids and OT vehicles but bigger, one wing added or removed, and maybe a panel painted red.
Prequels did not have inferior writing to the shitshow of NuWars including bangers like "somehow, Palpatine returned" and "the fat angry b***h crashes into Finn so he DOESN'T blow up an enemy war machine, letting many more people die, and then smooches him. This is instantly forgotten about in the next movie, as if the characters themselves are as disgusted and ashamed of what has just happened as the viewer"
Yeah, the worst plot related issue for the prequels is that they were convoluted. You can make excuses for plenty of the convoluted shit like Jango's attempted assassination of Padme as just a convoluted way for the Jedi to go to Kamino, meanwhile nothing in the sequels makes any fricking sense starting from the fricking title crawl of 7
It's also worth noting that in the prequels, shit like R2D2 and C3PO bumbling around and accidentally blowing up a war droid factory or helping young Anakin destroy a space was portrayed as either a haha funny moment, or a heroically whimsical deus ex machina to remind you who the hero is and how he contributed to saving the day.
Something I don't see a lot of people talking about NuWars is that the older movies, even the prequels, were written with kids in mind. NuWars is written with the assumption that the viewer is an adult capable of relating to the washed out frickups and stressed out/smug nothingburgers populating it's cast.
It working at all.
You just KNOW that on some level it was meant to make Holdo look more impressive at one point, but based on how offhandedly it was dismissed (to kill the idea of them ever doing it again) from everyone's point of view Holdo did something that had a 99.9999% chance of ending up like this:
And, in-universe, seemed like she was either moronic all along or a coward trying to escape the resistance after realising her failure to communicate screwed them all even harder than they would have been.
It's honestly hard to tell who seems like a more plausible First Order mole, her or the fat asian mechanic with the dead sister
this is your fault George
Why did you trust KK and Iger?
You were a savvy businessman and you bought in. I respect that.
uhn... gungy...
Exactly
>went from wanting absolute control despite what everyone else was saying to selling it off because he couldn't cope that a lot of his ideas sucked
I know Star Wars fans are whiny autists that took things way too far but his stubbornness only made it worse.
If he didn't do Star Wars he would've ended up directing Apocalypse Now
I'm not kidding
I hope you choke to death on your midichlorians
Maclunkey
Han shot first you fat hack
Jar Jar Binks was not a mistake and did nothing wrong
You owe your success to Gary Kurtz.
You ruined science fiction, the art of filmmaking and the imaginations of at least three generations. And you got filthy stinking rich doing it.
Based. Star Wars was always bad.
Always.
I remember watching the prequel movies as a kid. I thought it was crock of bullshit from the start, that the Force didn't make sense (and not in a fun way), that there were a lot of impressive set pieces but very little substance behind them and that even early on the supposed "Dark Lord of the Sith" being chumped out by some kid from bumfrick nowhere in an aerial battle was pathetic. The only distinct thing the snarky princess did I remembered was snogging her own brother and ending up in a slave bikini, which confused the shit out of younger me and his boner.
Thanks Star Wars, you gave me an incest fetish.
You shouldn't have sold it to Disney George. You could've just put it on ice or let some other stooges run it for you. You chose to sell it to the slavers.
There is a ton of things wrong with the prequel trilogy, but at least they didn't try to actively undermine and destroy everything that the original trilogy stand for.
I'm sorry George, we didn't deserve you.
I kneel Lucas-sama.
Messa say sowwy
He would have let us down as well.
Dude straight up wanted to make a movie about how the midichlorians go on Osmosis Jones/Cells at Work adventures...since yeah, he made midichlorians and always intended for them to be tiny people living inside you which is dumb.
He's not capable of doing stuff by himself, he needs people to filter him.
okay cool so he has silly ideas
the newest trilogy was still bad if not worse than an unfiltered george lucas
I already covered that.
Which would you anons rather have? The nu-trilogy or a movie that's basically Osmosis Jones in space?
george ripped off some of valerian and lorelein
as a single movie? no
and as bad as the script was for episodes 1-3, it still wasn't as bad as the new trilogy. you'd think that a new group of people could write better, but that absolutely did not happen and episodes 1-3 will always be the best trilogy for saber fights. that's not even up for debate
>and as bad as the script was for episodes 1-3, it still wasn't as bad as the new trilogy. you'd think that a new group of people could write better, but that absolutely did not happen
Its worse in a way, because you've got the Prequels as a model of what NOT to do. Their weaknesses have been forensically dissected over twenty years, everyone involved should have been familiar with them. And yet they manage to keep the stodgy dialogue and moments of poor plotting, but also remove all the interesting stuff. 50s diner guy but an alien was a misstep, but at least he was more interesting to look at than the umpteenth beige blob man.
Frick you, you aren't the savior, you're the snake.
TPBP
old SW fan deserve it since they could not fricking control themself
I'm mad at him for selling Lucasfilm, not at the prequels.
How did Han Solo come back as a ghost in the last movie?
Motherfricker you ain't no Jedi how you learn that.
He's hallucinating Han because he's snapped.
>"Mutt, you c**t. I hope you die in Space Vietnam! Where am I? George, get my plane ready. I've got to fly to Space Heaven or whatever the frick you wrote."
I can't believe the decisions that were made in the movies.
Wasn't there anyone supervising the project? Monkeys throwing fruit at a board with vague terms written on it would have created something more coherent.
They really thought they could wing a new trilogy it with no overarching plot or theme in mind, with a separate writer/director for each movie, while opening with fricking JJ Abrams getting first crack with his mystery boxes.
And got so bad at the end that instead of having the 3rd writer for episode 9, they just get JJ back just because episode 7 had been received better at the start since the mass audience liked the regurgitated New Hope for a brief time.
How they went into this multi-billion dollar purchase with no intention to plan out anything, I have no idea.
They wanted one Star Wars film per year, they thought they had the next MCU.
They assumed people will eat any slop given to them and for the most part they’re right
One or two bad received movies still didn’t stop them from pumping out constant Star Wars shit on TV
They wanted a lot of that TV shit to be movies though.
I guess but it’s amazing how everyone still gets excited for the orange chick getting some show when from what I hear kenobi sucked and mandelorian was good for 1 season
Now they just know where to shovel the shit
I don't think anyone is actually excited for Orange Buttcheeks' series
I’m somewhat excited for it, but not for her but because it’s basically Rebels season five.
that's even worse
>Rebels season five
That's not a plus
Listen.
Listen, your mistake is assuming Harrison cares about Star Wars as much as you do.
I'm sure he does hate Han. Maybe he likes Indy better, who knows, I can't imagine enjoying Dial of Destiny setting him up with a second Rey. But you know what Harrison Ford likes more than he hates anything?
Money.
Fat fricking paycheck stonks going U P, pay the man enough and he'll squeal like a pig while eating his own hat
I know a guy who eats up all this Disney slop while admitting it’s bad. I don’t understand it but he’s slightly autistic
He probably likes Star Wars as a setting more than he likes it as a narrative experience. I mostly feel the same way about the Jurassic Park trilogy.
Didn't Mandalorian, the show that got people interested in SW again, lose basically all its' viewers in season 3?
It did loose a lot of peoples interest since it made the Mando basically a supporting character to Bo-Katan in his own show, not to mention it had the whole reunion of him and Grogu happen in the Boba Fett show so you had to have watched that to understand why they are together again.
Disney is doing the exact same shit they did with all their MCU shows and movies making them TOO interconnected.
I can't speak for everyone, but my feeling was that Mando season 1 was pretty cool, yes there is a cute baby but its mainly about this Mandalorian's series of adventures for pay/
But most of season 2 just dragged on with sidestories to nowhere and its clear they were abusing the streaming format by not knowing where to trim the fat.
Stuff that for a Television network would get axed to fit in the allotted half-hour / hour got to just stay at full runtime. If you were not a super hard core SW fan that eats up every detail of everything, you would be bored to hell by the middle of season 2. And I was pretty bored despite knowing more about Star Wars than most.
Didn't watch Season 3 after the shit they pulled in book of Boba Fett.
The Mando show does have a varied run time for each episode, some only last 30 minutes. They are bizarre though, how some are paced well and others suck. I don't know where the TV people went who managed to turn out 22 episodes of 45-60 minutes EVERY year ON time but this isn't just Lucasfilms issue, hollywood has the same problem.
Here's 7 episodes which we took two years to make... old shows are better written, better paced, better produced.
Mando season 2 is mainly cameos and backdoor pilots for spin off shows,
>cobb vanth, Boba Fett, Bo Katan, Boba Fett, Luke skywalker
They became too greedy and thought of spin offs before making a decent story, it should end at seaaon 2.seasseason 3 is weirdly paced that you get to the finale and wonder if that is the show finished.
Yeah there's plenty of morons who are so deep in sunk cost for Star Wars and worship the brand hard enough to hand wave a lot of the frick ups. As long as they get their moronic Jedi shit they don't care
So how come Chewbacca never went on an insane life-debt rampage after this? I guess you can't fight mary sue pussy.
remember how Leia hugged Rey before Chewbacca when they came back
Chewbacca got shafted the most in the sequels, all his old friends are fricking dead and he’s stuck with Rey now who just kind of assumes ownership of the Falcon I guess.
Rey's most consistent characteristic is just kind of assuming ownership of anything not nailed down around her, like the scavenger she is. Up to and including the Skywalker family name.
Original > Sequel > Prequel
Finally a reason to post this.
muh nah muh nah
I just feel bad for Zoomers (and whatever the hell came after them). I'm not saying all old media is perfect (lolno) but still, you have something like Star Wars where the rebels from all sorts of different backgrounds said "if we don't do it, nobody will," took a stand against an evil empire and won, finding love and starting a new and better way of life.
And the megacorporations bought that story (and others like it) retooling it to be "Actually the heroes all failed, their love rotted, their sense of responsibility withered, the villains came back stronger than ever, and just look at Han and Leia's kid." Sure it ends with evil being vanquished... again... but Jesus what a fricking story to be given. If the heroes win it won't last, the bad guys will just come back, and all the young heroes will grow up to be bitter joyless failures.
It's not enough that the Megacorps make the real world shit, they even introduce rot into the escapist fantasy that dreamed of good defeating evil.
I do have an idea for a third starwars trilogy that actually takes the concepts somewhere new but I doubt they'll do anything but more good verses evil establishment vs insurgency for the rest of the franchise's lifespan
>good verses evil establishment vs insurgency for the rest of the franchise's lifespan
You know what sucks they could have flipped the formula and made a good establishment vs evil insurgency story instead, shit was perfectly set up for it.
>Rebel alliance is now in charge but having a hard time getting back to "normal"
>Imperial remnants that didn't get absorbed into the new republic have gone off into the hinterlands of space and turned into space ISIS
>They're actively trying to get their hands on hidden Imperial doomsday devices
>Race against time to find the terrorists
And in sequels you can add
>Republic is getting more and more repressive in dealing with First Order terrorism
>First Order is getting progressively more and more extreme in their beliefs to the point of starting up Sith worship and other death cult shit
But no we gotta just rehash the Original Trilogy but worse
It was a metaphor for killing Lucas.
People who defend the sequel trilogy baffle me. You can't even get a solid answer of what the stakes are. Are the new republic supposed to be a huge powerful entity or a weak collapsing one? Are the first order a small fringe faction? Or a huge powerful one? The answer is both and neither, nothing makes sense.
All of you should shut up and consoom Filoni's slop, he's saving star wars right now. Every morning he's having kung fu fights with Kathleen Kennedy over the spirit of star wars.