Hybridbros, it's over... Generic looking cg films will still be the standard from now on
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Hybridbros, it's over... Generic looking cg films will still be the standard from now on
>"The working conditions required to produce such artistry are not sustainable"
i.e. "If the preset settings in the software can't do all the work for us, is not sustainable"
imagine if the art world ran on merit, surely the conditions would be sustainable
Spoken like someone that's never produced any art.
That low FPS look is already generic. It's a cost saving measure, not artistry. The "creativity" is mostly superficial, especially the stuff that gets attention and is thus copied by the productions, producing new dumb trends
There are very few artists in LA who can actually produce good animation. If productions and people cared about art quality there would be a lot more. The more people care the easier it gets
Insulting anybody who criticizes your sacred cow just makes you look pathetic
If they were we would be seeing things from them nobody has done before like in the Golden Age and some '90s productions, not generic family movies that are somewhat more appealing.
>NFTs bad!
>uhh ackhsually spider-NFTs gud!
>muddy AI art and janky animation bad!
>uhh ackhsually spider-verse muddy art and janky animation gud!
>overworking artists and workers bad!
>uhh ackhsually spider-verse overworking artists and workers gud!
Fricking lmao twitter is such a flock of sheep, Sony could tell them genocide is good and they'd parrot immediately as long it came from the mouth of le heccin holesome black spidaman
brainlet detected
They already are ok with genocide.
>celebrity VAs bad!
>spider-verse celebrity VAs gud though!
lol what a joke of a fandom
It's not the fans, it's race grifters. Spider-Verse isn't a super hero movie for kids, it's a sermon on why White people are evil and blacks are godly.
Dont know if race had anything to do with it but when I watched it I was genuinely confused as to why I was supposed to root for Miles. Dude was a selfish moron the entire movie.
>OP is about art style
>first replie is about "NFT's BAD!!!"
>second replie is "muh whites are v-victimized!!!"
just give up bro, thread is all over the places already kek
How is hallee steinfeld a celebrity? She is an actress. No one watches spiderverse because halle steinfeld is in it.
Celebrity VA means basically a nonVoice Actor doing voice acting. Like Chris Rock and Jada Smith are still Celebrity VAs. But yeah I highly doubt that people were flocking to Spider-verse to see the girl from True Grit.
I really wish they did what Rango did with its mostly composed of Celebrities voice cast, film the scenes with them so they can bounce off each other, get into character and its easier for animators to get the characters mannerisms.
She has 20M followers on Instagram, she's both a Hollywood actress and a singer, how is that not a celebrity
When she was brought on for spiderverse she had less than 5 million.
That was 5 years ago b***h!
Meaning that she wasn't a celebrity VA when she was cast... do you have brain damage?
Liberals are the most gullible people to ever exist.
I mean Mario made 1.3B already and SV will probally just barely reach a billion. And we haven't heard a horror story from the production on ethier it or any Illumination movie for that matter. And considering how much the internet hates Illumination we would probally have heard one of these production stories if they actually happened but guess what
>SV will probally just barely reach a billion.
Not it won't lol
Every Illumination movie just reuses the same city assets in a different context. No shit they don't have workers issues and always have cheap budgets.
>barely reach a billion
That's almost double what it's currently brought in and everyone's already seen it. It will be lucky to hit $700m
I’m sure they said the same thing about 3D before technology made it easier to make.
>not sustainable
This is probably what 2d animators were saying right before everything got shipped off overseas.
The only thing not sustainable are the salaries of animators when their $250 million budget movie fails to break even. Worry about that instead.
But we know for a fact that most this stuff is already shipped over seas and that money isn't going to animators. So blaming them for overinflated budgets seems like the real issue
The sustainabillity is probably a lot like crunch in vidya, they have terrible hours and pay due to poor management by higher ups who want to hit unreasonable deadlines they didn't account for.
>So blaming them for overinflated budgets seems like the real issue
To be clear, I'm not blaming animators, I just think the "not sustainable" comment is dumb and not a helpful way of looking at things at all.
But since we're on the topic of budgets, you want to know why animators get such a raw deal? Because the actors, the directors, the writers, and the producers unions are fricking fantastic. They're compensated as a percentage budget, and they'll continue to be compensated through residuals. You can't increase the animation budget directly without those people getting a big taste.
>Producers Union
Disgusting
Translation: it requires actual effort and people who are skilled at what they do, we can't just churn it out from the garbage machine.
Guess what: Illumination movies are also a labor of people working their asses off. No matter how "souless" you think their movies are. The difference between them and Snoy is that they probally don't overwork their employees like a wagie job or at least not to the point that the animators have to report their conditions to a news outlet
Overwork in a relative term. Thats a function of a bad release schedule, not the nature of the animation itself. Give the animators an additional 2-3 months to make the movie, and they won't feel overworked. Easy fix.
This movie took five years to make and was already delayed once
>animate 3d
>run some parts through Stable Diffusion filter
>profit
They also use Maya, Blender Pencil and Adobe After Effects to get the signature 2D-3D style, but you didn't know that of course.
I think he's implying that it's just that easy to animate in 3D then have an AI filter do all the hard work.
They don't need to, the end result would be the same and normalgays don't know the difference. It's like portrait painters at the time when the first cameras were made, the method is already outdated and the end result rendered unimaginative.
This but for stop motion artists and films being already kicked when they are down with the trend of blending 2D and 3D with a choppier frame rate to simulate stop motion.
No, I mean only AI filter and nothing else, maybe some mistake fixing, especially with that low FPS.
Huh
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Pathetic. Your movie is pathetic by association
where's your movie, b***h?
>100 million dollar film
>Defenders act like little kids on a playground
Lmao. Wait to show that merit is reversed in American animation - oh and I also made my own version of the movie's story, loudmouth
Calling horseshit for one reason.
Render times
One of the most time consuming aspects of 3d animation is render times and cel shaded 3d animated films cut down render times in half. If anything cel shaded 3d animated films are cheaper and more efficient to produce.
>t. Indie /3/gay that switched artstyles because of this
>~~*Not sustainable*~~
Oh right because actually spending money on making a good product is considered a waste now, they'd rather give that money to executives and writers and producers instead of investing in making something that looks and sounds good. The slowly increasing use of stock sound effects instead of proper foley, the use of digital instrumentation instead of actual orchestration, generic CGI "animation" instead of traditional, actual animation. An entire world of poorly-made Shrek knockoffs.
No this is the animators, they mean they can't personally work the hours and keep up with the unreasonable demands from the israelite Producers. But we can't change anything to make those conditions better and yield the same output because...we just can't.
I really fricking hate artists.
You fricking draw for a living. You're not even physically exerting yourself. I'm supposed to take your complaints about "long hours" seriously?
arthritis and carpal tunnel?
frick boxtown for wasting cash on Tara Strong
hire a theatre actor you mongols
>You're not physically exerting yourself
Artists both physically and mentally exert themselves ontop of y'know having to forfeit time from their own lives.
Spidercels getting absolutely MOGGED by JOHN BVLL
If he ever comes back i will suck his dick untill i die
man is a legend
Luckily they saved some money by not hiring any writers
"stepped animation is too expensive and cool"
dumb fricking Black folk believe this
Ask Japan, they were only able to sidestep the "shit working conditions" by fomenting the creators with pure passion and a sociocultural hierarchical structure where complaints are looked down upon. Their output at their best is always top tier. This even applies to videogames. It's always been the difference between the two industries.
>Dies of japanese cold or kills self
>This was the last thing they made
Anyway....
A poignant parting gift.
So artists got an outlet to b***h online and all of a sudden they figured out that they could get the same pay for less effort and since they don't give a frick if the project is actually good they'll take it. Zero sense of pride in these frickers anymore.
It's so funny that Cinemaphile really hates artists and animators, doesn't understand anything about the process or what involves but loves to b***h about it like they do anyway.
That's not funny, it makes perfect sense. They view artists as gatekeepers to soomething they want, that in the back of their mind just innately exists but the artists are hoarding it and mutating it. Artists don't create art, they just ruin something that already exists.
It's because artists are close to gods. Closer than any other profession by a longshot. They can manifest images and entire worlds onto paper just by using their minds eye and two hands. It scares NPC people, so they attack art, the most human profession of all. Art is simply human. It separates us from beasts. If you cannot draw or understand art, you are a beast, a dog, a cow. A lesser living creation living alongside gods.
This makes them jealous. Being able to draw separates us distinctly from animals like them. Therefore, they want to boil it down and make it a product. They delude themselves and unironically call themselves "AI artists", like the subhumans (perhaps not humans at all) they are. They are obsessed with the artificial for a reason.
The delusion you are in is extremely potent.
AI shills can seethe, but cannot refute my argument.
This right here is why some people are cheering for AI to replace artists.
Ironically that can be read both against and in support of what he's saying
Animal people like yourself are just angry. You wish to make art into a consumable, like a food. It's very animalistic. Very cow-like.
I mean AIgays want to do that but calling Artists literal gods is just a c**t move that hurts the idea of respecting the creative endeavor of art simply because people will refuse that out of spite thinking of people like that.
Since this thread is already terrible, and can only get worse. Might as well post this
>calling artists literal gods makes me seethe
Why do you think I did it? To remind you.
But Doctor, I AM AN ARTIST
"AI artisans" using a generated program called Stable Diffusion are not artists.
As long as you appreciate art, you're not like the AI NPC shills.
Yeah, never touched the thing.
>AI shills can seethe, but cannot refute my argument.
I have dysgraphia but at least I'm creative unlike commies who can.
Shut the frick up, paint pigs.
They're just AI chudlets that only know how to sit on reddit and use tell-tale language like "paint pigs" to out themselves. They unironically think AI can think lol.
They are sõys who backstab each other and deserve to suffer. The stigmatization of nfts is proof of that.
Animators did hand-drawn each frame cels for 80 years and now you get computers to help the process on top of that and NOW you're telling me you cannot do even basic animation because of "muh overworking" because you had to work 11 hours once?
If it's so easy, you do it? Oh that's right, because the AI shills aren't artists. They need good art to feed to their little tools, too, so they secretly love artists. They will always be the parasite on the backs of creators.
This is going to be the new generic for the next 10 to 15 years or so
Im already kinda bored with it
There's one-two spiderverse looking movies every year while there's 15 with "Realistic-ish" visuals
Wouldn’t it be sustainable if they paid enough money and or gave them more time to animate instead of rushing them? In other words it’s doable without a time crunch
You know corporations won't do that in a trillion years.
They possibly could with enough backlash. Either way movies are not a Necessity and are spoiled society could do with less entertainment to be honest. Too much lack of discipline and the only reasons these corporations get this greedy is because we the people keep giving them money
I thought artists already do get paid as per their contract but for them to paid to the amount of hours they should put int would dwarf executive/managerial positions it looks like. Which begs the question, should managerial positions even get paid more than their subordinates?
Spider-Verse threads are the most schizophrenic shit on this whole fricking site. Not even /x/ is this deluded.
AI tools are divine gifts from God to punish artists for being annoying on Twitter.
Artists are gods divine punishment on the creatively void, which is all of Hollywood. A constant reminder he has their blessing.
>twitter screencap thread
Artists who are unwilling to suffer for their work are not artists, they are employees creating a product.
Said the non-artist shill who has never worked in his life and does not intend to start. A parasite on the planet. Void of life and meaning.
Artistic suffering is painstakingly trying to perfect their vision, technique, or message and being willing to weather the criticism and hardship of creating what they believe in, it doesn't mean allowing yourself to get nickeled and dimed by ungrateful patrons and bosses. Michelangelo's suffering was in that he was an insecure dirty gay incel who knew he was living in the time of greats so he had to struggle to be worthy of living in such a time. But when the church shortchanged him for going above and beyond on the Sistine Chapel he made sure they paid him in full when they wanted him back to do it again. Frick your "Artists need to starve" bullshit", artists should know and fight for their worth. If a company underpays them, it's their artistic duty to say "frick you pay me"
>Working 10 hours a day for a few weeks? That's simply not sustainable
>Says man who's working 0 hours a day for a few years