>I am altering the deal. Pray that I do not alter it any further.
even then lucas had the most bizarre and robotic dialogue. it's only more noticeable in the prequels because he had full creative control.
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>the bizarre and robotic villain has bizarre and robotic dialogue
Woah...
the entire galaxy seems to have autism based on the way they speak
Could it be because its creator has autism?
I prefer that over the marvel dialogue we get nowadays
>I am altering the deal. Pray that I do not alter it any further.
How is this bizarre or robotic?
That's the coolest line of the entire movie though??
Followed closely by "Perhaps you think you're being treated unfairly?"
That's such a cool line, so menacing. Vader is in complete control, he doesn't need Lando anymore, he can do whatever the frick he wants.
It's crazy to think whiny b***h Anakin became such a cool bad guy.
>It's crazy to think whiny b***h Anakin became such a cool bad guy.
Narratively, Anakin had to get all his humanity burned away before he could become the ethical subject Darth Vader.
Well, his first scene after getting burned is crying about his dead wife, whom he choked out because he tried to save her but his plan involved chopping up a bunch of preschoolers.
And he still has his humanity in RotJ. I mean, he doesn't do anything THAT bad in the OT. Like, he is complicit in the destruction of Alderaan but it was ordered by Palpy and Tarkin was the chief executive, Vader is basically just agent of Emperor and his trusted figure when it comes to the Force matters. He kills a bunch of combatants on screen, basically. So a cool redeemable bad guy officer.
Then in PT he casually murders kids multiple times. Cool.
Right, the last remnants of his humanity are leaving him in that moment. After that only Vader remains. He’s no fan of the Death Star (“don’t be too proud of this technological terror”) or the Empire (he executes several officers for incompetence) and is a stand in for all the rejects and outcasts of the world. Like Christ, he’s spending most of his time with lepers and slaves, whom he ends up bringing directly onto the flagship and placing them above the imperial crew.
The end of RotJ should be understood as Palpatine tempting Luke to betray his ethics, going “just kill this wretched creature and we can have world peace”. Luke rejects this offer and Vader destroys the emperor. It should not be understood as Vader becoming Anakin again, who was a whiny momma’s boy nazi who spent his formative years killing Muslims in the Middle East.
Anakin’s whole arc in the prequels is characterization for the Jedi order. He goes in wanting to free slaves and comes out *wrong*.
>don’t be too proud of this technological terror
Huh yeah, he even calls it "terror", I don't think he's too fond of that. Oh man, would I love to see a version of PT where Anakin is an actually likeable and heroic character who has been manipulated by Palpy to believe Empire is the way to peace and prosperity for the common man of the galaxy, and not just "I'm sad my wife might die, better choke my wife".
> It should not be understood as Vader becoming Anakin again, who was a whiny momma’s boy nazi
I mean, that's retroactive. OT was before PT ruined Anakin. He clearly didn't want to kill his son, so he had some parental, human feelings. Post-PT changes do make it clear Vader "became Anakin" again by digitally inserting Hayden Christensen as a Force ghost in one of the final scenes of RotJ, but who cares.
The problem here is that a likable heroic character is naturally going to oppose empire. Lucas already made this character too, his name is Luke Skywalker. And he nearly gives in to Satan.
But what if Empire didn't start so overtly evil?
>a likable heroic character is naturally going to oppose empire. Lucas already made this character too, his name is Luke Skywalker
Wasn't Luke going to join the Imperial Academy to train as a pilot as a way off of his shitty sand planet? He wasn't that concerned with morals until he saw the Empire for what it was. Anakin could have been tempted with a vision of a better future. The Jedi Order and the Republic were far from perfect systems. He personally experienced how little the big people on Coruscant gave a shit about slavery out in the boonies. How they weren't prepared for even a small war and resorted to using child soldiers to fight for them. Being tempted and falling to that temptation happens to tragic heroes in literature all the time. It was just handled poorly by Lucas.
I got the feeling that up until the events of the Death Star blowing away an entire planet, most people didn't see the Empire as all that bad, as long as they personally weren't impacted. Sure they heard about some cousin of a friend being sent to space gulag for sympathizing with rebels, but this never really touched their daily lives. Then the Empire blew up an entire planet for what some small percent of them were doing, and all bets were off. Now you couldn't trust the Empire to be mostly hands off and were worried that because some guy shot a couple of stormtroopers a few blocks away, the Empire would come in and glass your whole city. It was an enormous blunder to put so much stock into a space station that could impose your will on the entire galaxy, blow up a planet, and then a day or two later have that station blown up by rebels. The rebellion wouldn't have grown without Alderaan being destroyed in the first place.
I think Luke was hoping to do what Biggs did. Go to the academy and then jump ship.
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>version of PT
Not familiar with Star Wars movies. What is PT?
Palpa Teen? I never realized thats how they spelled it
PT = Prequel Trilogy. Episodes 1-3
OT = Original Trilogy. Episodes 4-6
ST = Sequel Trilogy. Episodes 7-9
He tortured Leia with that ball droid. We never got to see what he did to her.
you think it worked like pear of anguish
He did some really sick stuff. Hours and hours of depraved sexual torture on Leia. But she's a tough, cookie and didn't crack. Kept egging him on telling him to do more, which unsettled Vader after a while. Later Obiwan's ghost would appear and mock Vader for what he did to his own daughter.
Leia was a pretty sassy teen so she probably tried to goad Darth Vader by saying stuff like "Am I a bad girl daddy?"
knowing it was his daughter
have a nice day
You are robotically troonish.
That's one of the few good and natural lines in these movies.
All the clunky lines in the OT and you pick this one?
Whi did they pray to? Who were their gods?
Han specifically mentioned the galaxy has all sorts of kooky religions.
he had lost his mind by ROTS, can't make this shit up
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Redditors thought the autistic, imperious talk was cool when it was behind an epic mask
They're right. It is cool.
Ugh, you like, did NOT just agree with a redditor. Erm...
>furthermore, I wish you to wear this dress and bonnet.
What did Lucas mean by this?
It worked because Vader is such an over the top villain with an over the top voice. It was already going downhill in RotJ. We all love Sheev, but he’s a stereotypically campy cackling evil wizard.
>NO disintegrations
Oh what the frick man? Lame
he didn’t write empire strikes back.
I thought the deal was that he took Leigh Brackett's draft and punched it up and that's what they shot with.
little survived from her draft (which was based on Lucas’ notes and outline in the first place, of course). it was really a draft written by Lucas and then heavily rewritten by Kasdan.
SW has weird dialogue but that one line is pretty normal. The only odd thing is Vader asking Boba to "pray"
Christianity exists in Star Wars: in Empire Strikes back Vader tells Lando to pray and on Hoth Han tells a rebel he'll see them in Hell should he die.
Neither prayer nor hell is exclusive to Christianity. Also I'm sure there's some moronic autistic "lore" on this but I think it's fair to assume that the characters are not really speaking English, since it takes place in the past far from Earth and England never existed yet.
Vader did nothing wrong and was showing a great deal of goodwill towards Lando by letting Leia and Chewie stay at Cloud City instead of imprisoning or executing them.
Formerly an agreement
>Pray
who do these aliens pray to though
Wow you guys are so smart. There's no way religion would develop in another galaxy.
They pray to Glup Shitto. They're Shitolics
>pray
Wait, does the concept of prayer to a diety exist in the Star Wars universe? Do they have monotheism?
God exists in Star Wars.
'ate matthew wood droids.
simple as.
Shut up mouth-breathing idiot.
He's talking like a nazi officer from a ww2 movie you fricking moron.
No he isn't.
>>I am altering the deal. Pray that I do not alter it any further.
One of the most badass lines in any film ever, and you're mocking it
All the movies are based on early sci fi serials that had hammy dialogue. Lucas is a cinematographer first and prefers to set the tone and tell the story with visuals more than with dialogue.
>Lucas is a cinematographer first and prefers to set the tone and tell the story with visuals more than with dialogue.
Woah and his visuals in the prequels looked bad anyways. Epic.
>PERHAPS
>YOU THINK
>YOU'RE BEING
>TREATED
>UNFAIRLY