No only islands was bro. Try watching the show next time.
I just ran through all of Adventure Time recently and I feel like this is where it really dropped off. The writers almost completely abandoned the idea of the one off fun episodes and going into season 8 everything was explicitly part of some greater plot.
I liked it when there was sometimes story sprinkled in there amongst the whacky adventures.
In other words you did not watch it. There were several one offs in later seasons.
Islands was good.
Elements started good but went to shit near the end.
Stakes went to shit pretty fast.
I don’t remember anything about Islands besides Finn’s mom and Susan having a girlfriend. Same for Elements, I only remembered LSP saving the day and Ice King refusing to being Simon again. At least remember most of Stakes, even if its not all good.
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Yeah it was just her childhood friend, no implications that they were in love.
I remember blushing and some crew members implying they were gay. They’re seen together riding a vine like Tarzan and Jane in F&C so I guess they’re gay now, if they weren’t before
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I don’t remember anything about Islands besides Finn’s mom and Susan having a girlfriend. Same for Elements, I only remembered LSP saving the day and Ice King refusing to being Simon again. At least remember most of Stakes, even if its not all good.
i feel like a moron bc i honestly preferred when susan was dumb. as soon as she became smart and regained her memories she became boring
It was definitely implying but not full on stating like they've been doing since 2018.
If they ever come back in a significant way they'll probably make it canon they're dykes.
I liked Islands the most. Nice adventure meat and cleaned up the human stuff in a enjoyable way. Finn meeting his mother, and saying goodbye, was probably the most compelling emotional beat in the show for me. The best of the mini series.
Stakes was fine. Enjoyable, mostly. But Sailor Moon anime reference saving the day made me roll my eyes. Pick something new to reference. And most of the vampires felt kinda boring. Powerups shaped like people. Head vampire was decent though.
Not a fan of Elements. The primal element stuff wasn't enjoyable to me for a while, and I was glad it was over. A plot tumor that was overdue to cut out.
Frick man, I really want to see some AU where nothing went wrong and Finn got to grow up with his parents.
I've seen some crumbs of it here and there, but I want more.
>Stakes
pretty good. The flashbacks were interesting and the music was some of ATs best. Kind of wish Finn, Jack, and Peppermint Butler weren't such assclowns but it's a little excusable here since they're not the focus. Vampire King is a 10/10 character >Islands
pretty good. Interesting to see what happened with humans, Finn's origin and Susan's past. The climax is a little underwhelming but not enough to sour the whole thing >Elementals
Dogshit outside of Ice King, LSP, and the episode Cloudy. Not even gonna hide my bias, I always found the Elementals subplot really stupid and boring, and it made pretty much everything it came into contact with boring like the Ice Crown's origins.
>it made pretty much everything it came into contact with boring like the Ice Crown's origins.
I saw it as their way of reconciling Ice King's quote from all the way back in season one where he says that he created the crown with magic he stole but the Simon reveal put that into question so they just transposed that backstory into Evergreen.
>I saw it as their way of reconciling Ice King's quote from all the way back in season one where he says that he created the crown with magic he stole but the Simon reveal put that into question so they just transposed that backstory into Evergreen.
I don't get why they couldn't just leave minor discrepancies from early episodes alone
It's not like any attempt to fix those doesn't cause other things to not make sense anymore
That's just how the writers of AT developed plot points, calling back to some obscure line or character and extrapolating from it into a full storyline. Like how The Lich first appeared as a cameo in Billy's debut episode or even how Gumbald was mentioned all the way back around season one or two.
>Like how The Lich first appeared as a cameo in Billy's debut
Lich was a major character from pitch bible and had an episode dedicated to him in season 1. But said episode ended up being unproduced and parts of it were reused in mortal folly. So he's different.
I just ran through all of Adventure Time recently and I feel like this is where it really dropped off. The writers almost completely abandoned the idea of the one off fun episodes and going into season 8 everything was explicitly part of some greater plot.
I liked it when there was sometimes story sprinkled in there amongst the whacky adventures.
Yeah a commom criticism was that there'd be several episodes of the characters going on wacky or random hijinks and not enough about one of the ongoing storylines or lore bombs
>people complain about the fact there are too many lore shows and not enough episodic adventure shows
Because half of them are boring as shit and would be better served focusing on self contained episodes occasionally referencing each other instead of some half-assed story told over four seasons with an unsatisfying resolution.
No such things. There are always going to be much more episodic shows. They're just made for literal toddlers so you don't hear anyone talking about them.
I'm old. Not really but I feel that way. Super cute special too.
>It started as a "Betty and Veronica" dynamic and almost every autist here knows it.
I don't think the show actually ever had the time to establish that dynamic. PB and Marceline's first ever appearance together was in Go With Me, where they reveal that they already knew each other and long enough for Marceline to casually call PB by her first name (which was also the first time we learned it was Bonnibel).
The next time they appeared together was in What Was Missing, which what established Marceline and PB's dynamic as "estranged old exes".
>into season 8 everything was explicitly part of some greater plot.
That's not a problem in when you are basically "ending" your show or parts of it. All of specials cover something important and were longer adventures. Plenty of episodic shows did end with movies. It's way better format than season 9's which tried to have a cake and eat it.
Stakes was actually requested by CN, after the success of OTGW. It's funny, because initially the execs were opposed to ongoing storylines, but then they started demanding more of it because it was easier to promote the episodes as part of a story arc, i.e. the "bomb" format.
Did they? Even shows like SCI had ongoing story arcs, as did Steven Universe/Future. They've definitely become a lot more open to more serialized content than they used to be.
I meant the miniseries format, CN never really did something like Over the Garden Wall ever again. Most of their serialized stuff moved to Max or Adult Swim though they still cancelled stuff like Infinity Train.
They cancelled inifinity train because it didn't do that well. Sorry inifinitygays.
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But then they also ordered a second season of Velma
7 months ago
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I think velma was renewed before season 1 even aired. Even still...
7 months ago
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>I think velma was renewed before season 1 even aired
How does shit like that seem like a good move to execs?
7 months ago
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The same thing happened with Adventure Time. If they think they've got a good thing going they'll want to keep the ball rolling. If Max had foreseen how successful Fionna and Cake was gonna be, they might've ordered a second season before season one aired so there isn't this big gap in AT content now.
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It’s usually just a scam to pay animators less money for more episodes. Streaming services can get away with paying animators less through some weird loopholes by separating big episode orders into “seasons”. Was a big controversy with the Cuphead Show and probably the same thing happened here.
That era is over, if you check their new series (the few they have), they only want silly episodic content for kids.
Adult cartoons do get more permission though, that is the new hub for serialized stories in animation. And really, it’s where it should be. You don’t have to follow status quo or family friendly guidelines for your story, just tell it how it is.
Also Future sucked balls.
that's the huge problem with highly transparent shows that are made really quickly, similar to netflix series. they essentially let the fans/twitter steer the series direction even if it means abandoning plot threads or drastically changing a style.
It's the miniseries I remember the most due to the wholesome moments between the heroes, but the actual threat of vampires was pretty dull.
How you gonna make a special like this without Abadeer, I will never know.
That’s my favorite part of this. I find people who are 25-40 thinking they are old when statistically many, many of them have many more years ahead than behind funny.
Honestly yeah like I don’t like orgalorg but at least his season finale felt like a season finale and not just one long ass season because cn was too stupid to pull the plug on this show in 2015
I find it weird how people seem to forget about The Comet—it’s like one of three times an AT season ended with some actual closure.
It may seem strange but part of me wishes the show had ended here. Yeah, it had already kinda shat the bed by this point, and the finale itself wasn’t very good, but it ended on a cautiously hopeful note that felt natural. After this it really started to feel like the show was meandering and pointless.
I think where it happened is mostly fine but it's just that it has huge importance developing the Bubbline dynamic at least how the writing tries to present it as. Even though we already got episodes where they end in very similar places to where Stakes ended.
Technically it started all the way back in season three and since then it was obvious the writers wanted to stick with it despite having to present it through subtext because of CN censors at the time like the Maja episode where Bonnie keeps sniffing the rock shirt and it's later shown to have more emotion and baggage poured into it than even Hambo.
It started as a "Betty and Veronica" dynamic and almost every autist here knows it. The problem is that even this version of relationship barely existed during first half of the show for "some" reason.
7 months ago
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Yeah CN loves censorship. Interesting to see how things changed.
7 months ago
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>It started as a "Betty and Veronica" dynamic and almost every autist here knows it.
I don't think the show actually ever had the time to establish that dynamic. PB and Marceline's first ever appearance together was in Go With Me, where they reveal that they already knew each other and long enough for Marceline to casually call PB by her first name (which was also the first time we learned it was Bonnibel).
The next time they appeared together was in What Was Missing, which what established Marceline and PB's dynamic as "estranged old exes".
7 months ago
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Yet people still complain that it wasn't obvious.
7 months ago
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I hate how early pb looks like a slug
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It started as a "Betty and Veronica" dynamic and almost every autist here knows it. The problem is that even this version of relationship barely existed during first half of the show for "some" reason.
Heck, if they really wanted the best of both worlds, they could've had Marcy tease Finn as a indirect way to mess with PB. Sowing seeds of doubt in Finn, and questioning whether or not PB is just using him as a pawn. PB can confront Marceline about this, further antagonizing each other with verbal jabs that have undertones of two resentful exes. The back-and-forth tugging can reach a boiling point, with Finn either acting as a mediator, getting over the fact of being used in order to save his fractured friendship, or just telling both of them off in his own frustration.
Marcy and PB could then realize their rivalry isn't worth getting others they care about emotionally hurt and work to repair their friendship with Finn and repair their own friendship. Then it can naturally and gradually come to them reigniting their past love.
7 months ago
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Too much for the show at the time. It had to look like kiddie slop instead of stoner humor ect.
7 months ago
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>Then it can naturally and gradually come to them reigniting their past love
This but with PB and her actual lover.
7 months ago
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So kind of like this comic? (part 1)
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Part 2
Part 3
LMAO as if the show would ever have Finn be on good terms with the two of them while they were setting up Bubbline in the background. He was deemed too much of a threat so they spent 7 seasons undoing any chemistry they had going on and turning Finn into a pathetic reject so the only possible ship in anyone's mind would be Bubbline. And it worked, people to this day bring up the retcons as a sign of "see, they were never meant to be all along it was all planned like this from the start".
7 months ago
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Oh look it's a schizogay.
7 months ago
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I dont know. I feel them turning Finn into a creepy incel didnt have much to do with PB and Marceline and more some writer not liking the FP ship for some reason and looking for any way to break them up. FP and Finn were actually very cute together but gotta make Finn act wildly out of character for some reason to frick it up.
7 months ago
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>He was deemed too much of a threat
actually delusional. No, they didn't make Finn pathetic in some conspiratorial effort to destroy his relationships with PB and Marcy. Get a grip.
Do you think it's a coincidence that the episode in which PB doesn't let Finn rest on his lap, and then he turns into a pathetic crying mess on the floor about it, is the same episode as FP is introduced in, all written by Sugar who introduced Bubbline in WWM a couple episodes earlier? Even though the same season has PB voluntarily kissing on the lips when written by another writer?
7 months ago
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>Even though the same season has PB voluntarily kissing on the lips when written by another writer?
Which she immediately disregarded once she grew up again
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7 months ago
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Ah Wizard Battle? Didn't she slap him afterwards for cheating? Funnily enough Pendelton Ward actually regrets making PB the prize of the wizard contest
7 months ago
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>Didn't she slap him afterwards for cheating?
Yes, but post-WWM PB would just slap him and nothing else >Funnily enough Pendelton Ward actually regrets making PB the prize of the wizard contest
That has nothing to do with the Finn kiss though, it's a general "women shouldn't be a reward for whoever wins" regret and possibly how PB agreeing to it affects her characterization, but her kissing Finn wasn't a reward for him winning
7 months ago
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This part was dumb, pen was right, it was a mistake.
7 months ago
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That's not the part he regretted
7 months ago
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I know that *technically* Finn didn't win because he cheated, but she kissed him within the context of her being a kissy prize. The whole thing is pretty gross, and not very in character. Yes, even for early PB. I'm sure you'll disagree on that.
7 months ago
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>but she kissed him within the context of her being a kissy prize
She didn't, she says "that's for being sweet" out loud after kissing him
7 months ago
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Being sweet... by cheating in a competition to kiss her. You can't divorce it from that context. If the prize was something else, it wouldn't have ended like that. PB didn't kiss him on the lips like that other times he was "being sweet." Kissing on the cheek's her usual go-to.
7 months ago
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You think if another cheater won and admitted it she would've kissed them on the mouth like she did Finn? She was kissing her champion for looking out for her
>"Oh Finn, you did all that for me?"
7 months ago
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No, but honestly I don't think she would for anyone. She wouldn't have offered herself up as a kissy prize to begin with. The way she was characterised in this ep was wrong. I still like it despite that.
7 months ago
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I think she would reveal herself as the second coming of Hitler and proceed to send them to a concentration camp.
7 months ago
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I just don't like how it sporadically died like that. I personally believe that Finn x FP was the kind of ship that was meant to be, but not meant to last. The breakup was the real issue; it should've been a slow burn falling out of love rather than a railroaded train crash. The fricking Cosmic Owl being there just made it worse too, that butthole did NOT need to be there.
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I just don't like how it sporadically died like that. I personally believe that Finn x FP was the kind of ship that was meant to be, but not meant to last. The breakup was the real issue; it should've been a slow burn falling out of love rather than a railroaded train crash. The fricking Cosmic Owl being there just made it worse too, that butthole did NOT need to be there.
Why couldn't they have just... let finn have his fire gf?
Their chemistry was absolutely fantastic, and made sense too.
The Hero redeeming the 'evil' misunderstood girl dynamic is fricking utter kino and fits adventure time like a glove.
They ruined it for what... drama and views? I genuinely wonder how many teens flipped their shit when Finn and FP broke up, because I sure did and I was absolutely coping and hoping they'd get back together in the follow up episodes. Shit's fricking lame.
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>Their chemistry was absolutely fantastic
It was desperate "love at first sight" bullshit and they barely even interacted. From day 1 it was a garbage ship with character forced by executives that fricked over the original premise.
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>Why couldn't they have just... let finn have his fire gf?
I guess its because its not the story they wanted to tell? Thats the only reasoning I have, I was never a part of the writer's room at that time, nor am I a writer, just some rando. >Their chemistry was absolutely fantastic, and made sense too.
This is where I have to call bullshit. They had chemistry the way baking soda has chemistry with vinegar; shit starts exploding. There was an entire episode about how dangerous it was that Finn tickled FP's heart, and beyond the practical issues, they didn't have interests in common or compatible lives. Finn is and always will be an adventurer, while Flame Princess has to be tied down to her kingdom. She doesn't really engage with dungeons in a way that Finn could jive with, and I can't recall a shared interest between the two of them at all. For god's sake, they can't even touch eachother without protective gear or magic. It was cute and I'm not denying it for a second, but it didn't have substance.
7 months ago
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>He was deemed too much of a threat
actually delusional. No, they didn't make Finn pathetic in some conspiratorial effort to destroy his relationships with PB and Marcy. Get a grip.
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Part 2
Part 3
This was really cool, too bad they turned Finn into an OOC creep who in this situation would have probably listened to Jake and think they were fighting over him instead of trying to help them out like a hero.
7 months ago
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>turned Finn into an OOC creep
So just like the second half of the show
Marceline is too out of character, I don't like this
>Marceline is too out of character, I don't like this
So just like in the second half of the show
7 months ago
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How so?
7 months ago
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She used to be a lot more chaotic early on. The only later episode where she was more in-line with her first few appearances was the one with her and LSP.
7 months ago
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I think that's simply because Finn and Jake came to know her more and more, and Marceline admits that it's not as fun trollling them once they knew what her actual deal was, plus the events of certain episodes like Stakes or I Remember You and her becoming less lonely by having a consistent group of friends mellowed her out.
7 months ago
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Part 2
Part 3
Domestic violence energy.
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Part 2
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The fan comic would have been a great addition before WWM. She only wrote "Come Along with Me" to a special someone after hearing there's a chance they could repair their relationship. That was 11 episodes later
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Part 2
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Marceline is too out of character, I don't like this
7 months ago
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In which way?
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Part 3
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Damn... That would have been a good follow up to WWM.
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>Then it can naturally and gradually come to them reigniting their past love.
But Cinemaphile hates lesbians.
7 months ago
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Speak for yourself.
Steven having to be inserted into every story was one of the worst parts of Steven Universe
SU sucked precisely because everything had to revolve around Steven.
Bingo.
Finn's the MC. Steven Universe was allowed to have drama where Steven inserted himself into other people's relationships, why can't Adenture Time?
There is a whole world other than Finn to see.
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>Cinemaphile hates contrived, poorly written lesbians.
ftfy
kek at Cinemaphile writing bubbline and still making it revolve around finn.
Finn's the MC. Steven Universe was allowed to have drama where Steven inserted himself into other people's relationships, why can't Adenture Time?
Speak for yourself.
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Bingo.
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There is a whole world other than Finn to see.
NTA, but using SU is a bad example given how much of a shitty character Steven is compared to Finn.
The point still stands that Finn and Jake are the main protags of AT's story. Yes the land of Ooo has plenty of other characters that you could show an entire episode's worth of lore with, but F&J are the mains due to their impact on the setting overall. the F&C mini-series already showed us that the land of Ooo would be a radically different place without Simon's influence on Marceline, leading to the Vampire AU. So can you really say that characters like PB, Marcy, and IK would still play out the exact same without Finn or Jake? Their heroism and good nature has rubbed off on them and made them better people than they once were. Like him or not, the land of Ooo would be a much bleaker place without someone like Finn in it.
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kek at Cinemaphile writing bubbline and still making it revolve around finn.
7 months ago
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Finn's the MC. Steven Universe was allowed to have drama where Steven inserted himself into other people's relationships, why can't Adenture Time?
7 months ago
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Steven having to be inserted into every story was one of the worst parts of Steven Universe
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SU sucked precisely because everything had to revolve around Steven.
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Finn is my favorite character and I like him being involved as much as possible but everyone hated how SU did it, whenever they had to do backstory they had to make it some dumb framing device of the gems telling Steven about it and he always had to be involved even when the episode would have worked better without him.
AT did it much better, but specifically in terms of Bubbline it sucks how after What Was Missing Finn was never involved in their arc in a meaningful way.
7 months ago
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I wouldn't want him always butting in on their business. Seems rude and messed up.
7 months ago
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It would just be nice if he like, every did anything important. The closest is Stakes and his role in that was to be moronic in the corner while Bubblegum and Marceline have meaningful moments with each other.
There can be something in between Finn has no impact and Finn is Steven Universe hogging the camera every second.
7 months ago
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>but everyone hated how SU did it
I never thought about how SU did it.
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>I don't think the show actually ever had the time to establish that dynamic. PB and Marceline's first ever appearance together was in Go With Me, where they reveal that they already knew each other and long enough for Marceline to casually call PB by her first name
That could still be in favor of the Betty and Veronica thing, it didn't inherently need to be anything that opposed the original idea. It was WWM that kickstarted the frickery.
And you can definitely tell that they were trying to make up from lost time, because god, does it feel like it’s being rushed. I still remember that cringe-inducing “or maybe it’s…love?” like from marceline.
It wasn't even that. The team was picking parts and bits of it from late season 3 onwards >I realized [sometime during the production of season two] that we'd never actually had Marceline and Ice King interact with each other in the same episode, and we’d also established that they were both 1000 years old. I thought that was meaningful, and so I started coming up with this whole elaborate backstory [explaining that] Marceline was the daughter of a demon and a human ... [and that roughly one thousand years prior to the start of the show] Marceline and Ice King were working together to save humanity [from vampires]. But Ice King was losing himself [to the ice crown], and it all landed on Marceline to fight off the vampires as the humans were escaping on an ark, set for some unknown shore. ... So in the final struggle, as a mutated horde of monsters and vampires come to kill the last remaining humans ... [Marceline] goes and fights the vampires with her demon powers so that the boat can leave. The humans make it, but Marceline is turned into a vampire. So she's stuck looking [like a teenager] forever, and Ice King is stuck being crazy ... and it's too heartbreaking for [Marceline] to ever even go near him, so she avoids him and lives in a cave ... Anyway, I pitched this whole huge elaborate thing to the writers room and they were like, "That's cool, Pat." But it was too much plot. Nobody was very excited about it.
To be honest, I would have preferred if Stakes was one long flashback story arc about Marceline and Simon vs the vampires in the past as per Patrick Mchale's original intention >I realized [sometime during the production of season two] that we'd never actually had Marceline and Ice King interact with each other in the same episode, and we’d also established that they were both 1000 years old. I thought that was meaningful, and so I started coming up with this whole elaborate backstory [explaining that] Marceline was the daughter of a demon and a human ... [and that roughly one thousand years prior to the start of the show] Marceline and Ice King were working together to save humanity [from vampires]. But Ice King was losing himself [to the ice crown], and it all landed on Marceline to fight off the vampires as the humans were escaping on an ark, set for some unknown shore. ... So in the final struggle, as a mutated horde of monsters and vampires come to kill the last remaining humans ... [Marceline] goes and fights the vampires with her demon powers so that the boat can leave. The humans make it, but Marceline is turned into a vampire. So she's stuck looking [like a teenager] forever, and Ice King is stuck being crazy ... and it's too heartbreaking for [Marceline] to ever even go near him, so she avoids him and lives in a cave ... Anyway, I pitched this whole huge elaborate thing to the writers room and they were like, "That's cool, Pat." But it was too much plot. Nobody was very excited about it.
Same here,still pissed we never got an empress flashback when it’s very clear she had the most interesting one like she was probably the first major vampire marceline staked and the whole event was probably the first time she saw Simon after he left
Look the thing is, people wanted to know what happened in Ooo, people wanted to know about the mushroom war, people wanted to know about Simon. They wienerteasead us since the very opening about these things, after Gravity falls was succesful it was inevitable they would try and to more plot related stuff, especially since the demand by the fanbase was gigantic.
Honestly it was alright the boomer vampire and the moon were fun the stupid “everything stays” message was super lame like they shot themselves in the foot having vampire king surrender immediately because it was just bs plot contrivance after bs plot contrivance after
As for the other two Miniseries islands was eh but it felt a bit lame that they barely were even on the actual island like the vr island was funny but it just dragged and the island with the one swedish woman was boring as hell not to mention the episode with the stupid annoying fish that felt like a fricking smg4 plot or how weak the stuff on the island was in general but the Minerva and Martin backstory was alright (I think it’s obvious it’s my least favorite)
As for elements , I honestly liked it though once again it’s ending was just lame they should’ve shelved the episode where the fire kingdom attacks the candy kingdom or the cloud episode hell even just that stupid orb episode between islands and elements and had more time between Betty getting sent to mars and lsp actually fixing ooo
>Almost a decade ago
That's the last bit of Adventure Time I actually sat down and watched because I like Marcy. I clocked out with that Martin stuff so that must've been...12 years ago?
I was always on board. Just wish I could have followed the show more. Life got complicated for me. The og show could have afforded more time to build on bubbline though.
Gibbon is the Kylo Ren of AT, he's Jake's grandson but since the pups age extremely fast, he would have already been around during the events of Distant Lands/Fionna and Cake and probably personally knew Finn, Jake, and the other mcs but it's implied he was the one who eventually brought the Human-Candy City to ruin in the far future.
Remember when that Frederator thing Mathematical confirmed Bubbline right after WWM aired all the way back in 2011 and had to cancel the whole video series over it? And then Olivia Olson confirmed it again at a book thing in 2014(?) and got in trouble for it?
I 'member. Honestly, I kind of get both of those. It's shitty that the crew had to be so sneaky with it, but it's bad form for people associated with production to impose their interpretations onto it.
I just think it's funny how they've been outed as being written as being gay exes from the start multiple times but everyone kept getting told to shut the frick up about it in public, and they only got a kiss in the finale in 2018.
Look at how far gay stuff's gotten with other shows now jumping from, say, Korrasami being absurdly vague to Bubbline kissing to Lumity being into each other for a good chunk of the series.
The guy who made the mathematical video had no involvement with the crew, he was just responding to fan speculation. Technically it didn't confirm anything, it just looked like it did. The Olivia thing though, 100%. No doubt in my mind she was being genuine.
It is crazy how far it's come. People will look back at these shows in the future as examples of the changing times.
>People will look back at these shows in the future as examples of the changing times.
It's crazy to me to see new fans complain that Bubbline is bad representation because it isn't explicitly gay until the finale. They don't realise that the writers literally COULDN'T do more. It's definitely interesting to see the progression of queer rep in cartoons, from something like Adventure Time to something more recent like The Owl House.
I’ve grown to appreciate the Bubbline moments due to how soft and lowkey they were compared to slog trite like Owl House.
7 months ago
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Yeah, I enjoy that too. They're cute.
7 months ago
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Yeah, but what about Finn/HW?
7 months ago
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I dig it. I would've loved to learn more about HW and see her and Finn's relationship further explored.
7 months ago
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I know, right?
7 months ago
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TOH was fine, it's nice to see less censorship.
7 months ago
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Oh no. They couldn't get with lots of stuff. Should I just for example treat PB x Finn the same way since cartoon network just didn't want any romances at the beginning when Ward was in charge? Should I call CN executives heterophobes? TV station's demands are not censorship, they're just station's demands.
7 months ago
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>TV station's demands are not censorship, they're just station's demands.
Not every network demand is censorship but most of the time it basically is
7 months ago
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>Please substitute for "dork" as it is slang for penis
That just makes EEnE even funnier within that context.
7 months ago
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if you wanna see trite see the gay relationship in kibo and the wonderbeasts, jesus that was cringe
>she was being genuine.
Depends on what do you mean by genuine, stakes were being made around 2014/2015 so what she said was nothing extraordinary, well outside of spoiler territory.
Here's a fragment of an older interview: >Olivia: Well…after the “What Was Missing” episode, the fansareactually the ones who cameup with the wholelesbianpossibility (laughs). I was talking toKentOsborne–
>Martin: – head writer of the show,andan old friend of ours –
>Olivia: --and we were just jokingaround,and I went, “Really? You mademealesbian?” (laughs)And he goes, “No! That didn’t even cross our minds.” But so many of the fans were convinced that was going on that inaweird way, they’re maybe kind of banking on thatalittle bit.
>Martin: They’re just letting the rumor be there, even though it’s not true.
Sugar has explicitly stated that it was her and Adam's intention to imply a past romantic relationship in WWM. It didn't come from the writers' room at first, which is what I'm guessing Kent was referring to, because there's no way he didn't know about that.
7 months ago
Anonymous
well then she's a big liar, as even a moron could tell. Nothing about that song, or any other interaction between the two, makes sense in any way other than "each mutually wishes to be near the other, but has always stayed away due to an assumption of disdain"
7 months ago
Anonymous
Surely people who sing about "wanting to drink the red from your pretty pink face" just want to be near each other and that's about it
7 months ago
Anonymous
Not him but context is the most important thing. Given context that could really be something other than infatuation or attraction.
7 months ago
Anonymous
In the context of the episode, it really does imply that they previously had a relationship and a lot of emotional baggage was left over since Marceline's song almost manages to open the door on its own until she realizes she was basically confessing her feelings and backtracked out of embarassment.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Damn dude you're autistic as frick.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I recognise you're being facetious but can't tell what point you're trying to make. I took this as an aggressive and mocking sentiment rather than indicative of any kind of romantic intent
7 months ago
Anonymous
You're autistic.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, but I think it's even more autistic to take it purely literally like "whoa she called her pretty, clearly this means something", rather than how that could easily be an insult. Likewise, wanting to see the colour drain out of someone's face when they see you is a sentiment people in the real world espouse too, towards people they hold grudges and spite against. It's not intrinsically WHOAAAAA SEXY LESBIAN TIME. It serves its only purpose which is to illustrate that there's genuine spite and resentment between them. It's open ended enough (without later seasons for context) to be read in any way because it doesn't suggest much at all, just that there WAS a past
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's like you don't even know the lyrics, or you're esl.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I mean it is a aggressive and mocking statement but in the context of them obviously having been in a relationship before that ended badly
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I want to suck your face >Where's the possible romantic implications???
Anon-chama...
7 months ago
Anonymous
I dunno man, it's less weird for a vampire to be saying it, you expect the weirdly sensual undertones to just be present automatically
It's like you don't even know the lyrics, or you're esl.
If I learned the lyrics to every sad lesbian breakup song I would be more brain-fried than an ESL
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm gonna take the word of the person who wrote the episode over some secondhand info from a voice actor. Is it really that hard to admit you were wrong?
It was back when you could call trannies out for trying to brainwash children, I’d be upset but noone watches this propaganda anymore, they watch shows lile Bluey that just try to be without grooming kids
next time someone brings up Lightyear and/or how it was 'supposed' to been released in 1995 ,remember this means couldn't have had it shot for shot in 2015
This is adorable but sad. Because even if they are happy deep down the same isn't true. Marceline was humming green sleeves for Christ sake. Anywho lovely picture.
I can't believe anons hate it so much just because they screwed up Finn. Sure he was way weaker in this story than he's supposed to be but are you just going to ignore how fun all of the rest of it was? Vamp hunting with friends is kino, and marceline's backstory was pretty tight.
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I remember blushing and some crew members implying they were gay. They’re seen together riding a vine like Tarzan and Jane in F&C so I guess they’re gay now, if they weren’t before
>reading this article >every time Ian is quoted it's him being the realest homie alive >every time Rebecca is quoted it's some pretentious word soup that makes it clear she has no idea what she's talking about
Rebecca’s contribution to cartoons is injecting tumblr/webcomic romance into everything, of course she’d try to dress it up as something more sophisticated
You know, sometimes I wonder why they didn't make Princess Bubblegum a playable character in Adventure Time: Explore The Dungeon Because I Don't Know??? She is one of the series' mains after all and was a fairly popular character at the time of the game's release, so her lack of inclusion is questionable at best. I personally like when video games have a lot of unlockable content, and Adventure Time: Explore The Dungeon Because I Don't Know??? was the perfect game to feature the entirety of the series' main cast as playable characters. I also believe Hunson Abadeer and The Lich would've been algebraic additions to the game.
I am weird, but I am not underaged, or a glowie. I enjoyed the game when I owned it on my Wii U and played it again for a short time recently on my friend's emulator setup.
So Stakes established that the humans wore animal hats to protect their necks against vampire bites but they're still doing it 1000 years later in Islands, is that because it involved into a cultural thing or...?
also-also, if you were fricking someone or whatever girls do in place of fricking, you'd know whether or not she wore your gift as pajamas. you would not think "oh I bought her that and she never wore it, guess she doesn't wanna be around me"
Playing the flute with her was part of the good memories that she saw from Finn at least, so there's that.
Man, I really wish we could've seen Finn's mom properly interacting with the cast.
A good option for good fanfic writers. Hopefully some physically disgusting fujo out there wrote something like it. I'll be diving into fanfics once I'm done watching the entire series.
Here's one I remember that has lots of HW and some of Minerva, good story in general. Bookmark this for when you're done dude
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13310518/1/In-Extremis
This version has a fricked up chapter order though so you should find the A03 version, I can't link it though because Cinemaphile is moronic.
It's tied to that, a lot of early AT humor was wacky and random with a dose "how can we get away with this in a children's cartoon" but that original energy drained as the show went on, mainly because the writers were running out of ideas and so they started to shift the focus and do more experimental or emotional episodes, including expanding on the lore than being as funny as possible.
I feel like the later seasons were still pretty funny. Maybe not as funny as the earlier ones, but when I think of flaws of the later seasons them lacking humor isn't one that is super prominent.
If Flapjack is canonically part of the Adventure Time multiverse and The Lich's jake hand was spread across every universe, does that mean Flapjack had to fight The Lich?
I always headcannoned that there's only a couple multiverses and that the flapjack world spearheaded the other worlds by some previous incarnation of flap wishing for the world to be made of candy or nicer or something
Marceline was like the one female friend aside from LSP that Finn made clear he had no attraction or feelings towards, he seems to prefer autistic girls like PB, Flame Princess, and Huntress Wizard.
>(mind you it was more like LSP raped him)
Early AT was kind of sus with how much characters wanted to bang Finn despite him being 12 at the time, like Slime Princess asking him to marry her in Prisoners of Love.
you must be a dyke, yes, it's setting up marcy as the ethereal older girl playing guitar who he may or may not be in love with. i'm not sure how to explain to a frigid lesbian how this works, but basically when your hero is a 13 year old boy and you throw in a mysterious cool girl playing guitar, that more or less suggests a possible romance later in the plot
Finn is living the male fantasy by the time of Fionna and Cake, he's constantly going out on adventures, he actually maintained a relationship with Huntress Wizard for over 12 years, and he's probably the most well connected guy in Ooo at that point. Sure Jake died and he's not coping completely healthily but it's still better than how Simon was initially faring.
that's cool, but it would have been better if that occurred in the original series and not ten years later in a spin off only tumblr rejects watched
7 months ago
Anonymous
>not ten years later in a spin off only tumblr rejects watched
Pretty sure it actually got more viewers than Ahsoka, it was the most watched original show on Max at the time
7 months ago
Anonymous
Why even bother with that troll?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>it was the most watched original show on Max at the time
Really? The AT name still carries that much weight?
Crazy.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, it did really well. Even now it's #2 on max in terms of online engagement.
https://televisionstats.com/s/adventure-time:-fionna-and-cake
7 months ago
Anonymous
That probably guarantees more AT content coming in the future, right?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Hopefully.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Need a F&C series that actually focuses on Fionna and Cake. Ideally one set up on their Ooo and is somewhat reminiscent of the serial silly nature of early AT. Its progressive for women to make fart jokes right?
7 months ago
Anonymous
I just want more alcoholic Fionna and cat jokes. Anything else is just extra.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'd be surprised if we didn't get more. The person who greenlit F+C isn't at Max anymore so who knows. It's a fickle business.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Muto said it's up in the air if Fionna and Cake gets a second season or they take anthology approach and create another limited series. He did say they have a list of AT ideas that could work as a totally new series, a miniseries, or a special.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think that's a good metric. Animation as a whole has been fairly starved of new content for a while now to the point where any new cartoon is going to have eyes on it. Fricking Velma had high engagement numbers.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Fionna and Cake engagement is still decent though, almost a month after it finished. While not nearly at its peak, AT still has a decently sized, loyal fanbase all these years later. That's very valuable. Who is talking about Velma now?
7 months ago
Anonymous
I feel like it was a combination of the Fionna and Cake actually receiving marketing unlike Distant Lands, old fans of the show watching out of AT nostalgia and it targeting that audience with the memberberries and the Y-14 rating, and the multiverse premise feeding the fandom is what led to the series being successful.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>you must be a dyke, yes, it's setting up marcy as the ethereal older girl playing guitar who he may or may not be in love with. i'm not sure how to explain to a frigid lesbian how this works, but basically when your hero is a 13 year old boy and you throw in a mysterious cool girl playing guitar, that more or less suggests a possible romance later in the plot
Holy moron schizo
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's really something. I wonder if these "lesbians" are in the room with him now lol.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I rewatched AT recently and, honestly, I never got the impression that PB or Marceline were ever meant to be actual romantic interests for Finn. Sure, Finn crushes on PB but the whole point is that it is puppylove and that she is both too old and too important for him. The episode where she regresses in age is specifically meant to show how the actual ship cant and doesnt work and Finn vowing to wait is due to the misguided advice of Jake (he is not even paying attention to Finn) and its meant to convey that Finn will lose romantic interest in PB way before he actually gets old enough to date her, as evidenced by the introduction of FP shortly after.
If anything, there is more to suggest a possible romance between Finn and Marceline in the movie night episode. But even then he only likes her as a friend. And that is explicitly stated.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'd argue PB still counts because Finn very explicitly had a crush on her, and they focused a LOT on that, she was very much an interest for Finn's love, it even seemed like it could work for a hot minute in Too Young, just for it to end terribly, and even after he donked it up with FP, Finn tried to rekindle the magic in Too Old, just to fail miserably.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's really something. I wonder if these "lesbians" are in the room with him now lol.
if you're not dykes, then you must be just plain gays, not sure what else to tell you. it's ok I don't hate gays.
Yes? Him getting a fricking boner because of her and desperately trying to hide is a pretty clear indication. What do you think that bed scene represents?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>him getting a boner
He literally didn't though, watch the episode. Also, are you a liar or a moron? Any kid would have gotten a boner(he didn't because it's pg), do you not know what the frick anything even is? Commit suicide you troll.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>he didn't because it's pg
No shit
This may surprise you but a boy getting a boner over someone does not imply that other somebody is somehow destined for him. It doesnt even imply that the boy even wants any romance with that woman.
>destined
That anon I was replying to was talking about attraction not some fricking "destiny". So what are you even whining about?
7 months ago
Anonymous
This may surprise you but a boy getting a boner over someone does not imply that other somebody is somehow destined for him. It doesnt even imply that the boy even wants any romance with that woman.
7 months ago
Anonymous
what is wrong with you
7 months ago
Anonymous
?
7 months ago
Anonymous
He was embarrassed at the thought of being watched doing gross shit like scratch his ass and sniffing it. Begone schizo finnceline poster.
yea there totally wasn't a FLCL dynamic where the young kid is in love with the older teen sister girl who plays guitar and has a mysterious past or anything
Finn was in love with PB, Marceline was more like his troll friend he liked to occasionally hang out with
7 months ago
Anonymous
if the series wasn't given to millenials with hang ups and who hated "male fantasies" marcy would have been girl number 2
7 months ago
Anonymous
Finn is living the male fantasy by the time of Fionna and Cake, he's constantly going out on adventures, he actually maintained a relationship with Huntress Wizard for over 12 years, and he's probably the most well connected guy in Ooo at that point. Sure Jake died and he's not coping completely healthily but it's still better than how Simon was initially faring.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Haven't and obviously will not ever watch this show obviously because I'm not a moron, but I know that everything you just said was a lie.
>Marceline was like the one female friend aside from LSP that Finn made clear he had no attraction or feelings towards
What about Susan Strong? And I guess Rainicorn too.
The correct ranking
(Stakes still isn't bad, Finn and Jake are just annoying in it and it has the biggest status quo of any miniseries. I wouldn't even say it develops Marceline's character much I feel like she acts the same after it as she did before)
It was okay. The comedic writing took a huge shit a season or two before it and so far hasn't recovered. My only hope going forward at this point is that the new Fionna show is actually funny rather than SNL-tier(shit)
Tipoff. After watching the series finale, the order goes like this
BMO > Obsidian > Wizard City > Fionna and Cake > Together Again
If you get disappointed by Come Along with Me, just know Together Again is the true ending to the series. It's also ironically the funniest of the post-show entries and the closest to capturing early AT's spirit, which is ironic considering the ending managed to make me cry.
Nah, Fionna and Cake should be watched last. I get why you put Together Again last, but it was intended to be viewed as part of Distant Lands, and F+C somewhat assumes you've seen it. Release order is the way to go pretty much every time. I agree on watching Wizard City first just because that was written with the hope it would air before Together Again.
>Together Again is the true ending to the series
I don't agree. Whatever your feeling on CAWM is, it was the finale to the show as a whole. Together Again is more like an epilogue.
Fionna and Cake directly references the original show and Distant Lands except Together Again beyond acknowledging Jake is dead but Obsidian kind of already hinted at that so it could easily still be watched last >I don't agree. Whatever your feeling on CAWM is, it was the finale to the show as a whole. Together Again is more like an epilogue.
CAWM didn't really feel like it had much finality, just that this was a storyline that the show happened to end on but it could have easily still continued on from there and technically it did through the sequel shows.
It could be, but I really don't like watching stuff out of release order personally. The Distant Lands specials definitely feel like their own unique AT series, for better and worse, and should be watched together imo.
>CAWM didn't really feel like it had much finality
You're right, but it summed up the ethos of the entire show, and included all the main characters - not just honed in on the Finn+Jake relationship. It's also the last episode of the og show. I liked Together Again, but like I said, the DL specials definitely feel like their own thing, and not as connected to the original show.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>The DL specials definitely feel like their own thing, and not as connected to the original show.
But ironically the DL specials were basically repurposed episodes that were going to be miniseries like Stakes and Islands had the show not been cancelled and Together Again takes elements from the cancelled Adventure Time movie.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The shape and tone those ideas took is very different to what would've been if they had been part of an actual season of AT. The 44-minute format, artstyle change, and new writers all give DL it's own feel.
>Together Again takes elements from the cancelled Adventure Time movie.
Did it? I know that part of it was inspired by a season 3 Jesse outline that eventually became Ghost Princess.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>A made for TV movie composing of four episodes was originally planned to air as the season finale of season 5 with the ending events of "Sky Witch" originally leading up to it. However, the film was pushed back and eventually canceled. Multiple parts and ideas from the film were later recycled throughout the series such as the beginning of the film being remade into the season 6 episode "Something Big", Orgalorg who was supposed to first appear in the film becoming the main antagonist of the season 6 finale "Hot Diggity Doom/The Comet" and the ideas for Finn traveling through the dead worlds and how they worked being reintroduced in the Distant Lands special "Together Again".
7 months ago
Anonymous
Interesting. I'm guessing the concept of travelling through the 50 dead worlds was thought up for Ghost Princess first, and then Jesse tried again with the movie.
The episode in Elementals with the flame princess has the best joke of the season. LSP having an outburst and stopping all the fighting to make a statement about not fighting, and fire-Finn responds with "kill her".
Not even a good joke, but when everything's shit you start to appreciate gravel.
I hated this moment >both have fought far worse foes, including surviving Glob abominations >random ass dragon shows up >”well, guess we die together!”
Frick off Marceline, go super vampire and whoop his ass
No he absolutely does not. He was pure evil, and he turned himself into a candy person by trying to turn her(and succeeding in turning his other two family members). And the only reason he's mad is because he's jealous, because pb took excellent care of him and he was so happy as a punch bowl.
He had almost no time to marinate as the final boss of the main series. He shows up, tells sympathetic backstory, has some shenanigans, then evil army of almost all the series villains with a reality destroying threat in the background.
>Before the conclusion of Adventure Time's original final season, an alternate four-part finale had been planned to be the Season 9 (later placed over to season 10) finale. Little is known about the plot of the episode, but it would have involved mole people in some way, and be a direct follow-up to an alternate draft of "Gumbaldia", which was rewritten after the series finished production. Setup for the Mole people was seen in the episode, "The First Investigation", as Jake encountered one.
>Before the restructuring of seasons following Adventure Time's cancellation, there was originally planned to be an additional season before the show came to an end, following the then-ninth season, now split into what we have is a Season 10. In the season, there would have been episodes focusing on Susan Strong, Minerva, Gumbald, and Sweet P. There was also reportedly going to be multiple miniseries in the backend of the season. These never made it to fruition and very little about them is known as of 2023.
Considering how BMO and Obsidian were originally meant to be miniseries before being revised and repurposed as Distant Lands specials, it's possible the series would have ended with a version of Together Again.
GOLB duh. Whole final season(the real one) was "cancelled" so Muto and the team had to shove him into the gumwar plotline. BMO special and Obsidian were based on reused ideas from that last season.
You can't prove it. Her skin only looks a little dark. But Marceline is clearly not black, I mean come on. And her mom doesn't even look like it aside from skin tone. Also we don't even know for sure if her mom is human. Like there's a good chance of it but we don't know.
>I think Vamp Finn should be The Sun, it represents freedom and fun, also represents how he's the natural enemy of other vampires and evil beings
That sounds rad
>Good question, I assume it would work because PB can go zombie like in that one ep.
I always assumed that was because she specifically made the zombie potion to work on candy. I guess she could inject something into Marceline that allows her to turn candy people into vampires.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Knowing the scientific shenanigans PB is capable of it's probably possible.
How much art of this version of Bubbline is there?
He seems to be mashup of several Major Arcana >The Vampire King is the only vampire not directly named after a Tarot card, though his name is analogous to The Emperor, while his slightly more monstrous design and desire to escape the chains of fate and the endless cycle of fighting, death and rebirth that comes from being a vampire evokes The Devil card. His grandiose speech also name drops Wheel of Fortune and The Chariot. His true form as a lion may also evoke The Strength card (which is typically depicted as a woman and a lion) not to mention as the king he is the strongest of the vampires.
They kinda made marceline to be a bit of a chump in this one. She only got the vampires either by complete luck or because other people got them for her. Apparently being half demon doesnt mean much in terms of actual competence.
>Apparently being half demon doesnt mean much in terms of actual competence.
Considering the state of the Nightosphere and what the demons there are generally like, this is probably true
The nightosphere is a realm of pure chaos so it sort of makes sense for it to be chaotic but Marceline is supposed to be the daughter of a pretty important demon. Its just kinda strange we know little to nothing about Hunson. It seems like the writers are intent in making him look like some homeless weirdo rather than actually show us what is his place in the whole power hierarchy of the show. Because it does seem like he rules over some sort of hell and yet he has little feats and even got roughed up by some random ghost, even if he was shackled at the time that was a bit embarrasing.
Reminder that Marcy and Finn's relationship was established as purely platonic with her explicitly having zero romantic interest in him in Go With Me which is like her fourth appearance
Enough about Finn's female friends, he needed MALE friends of his own age, that was the real problem, Finn never got any recurring unrelated friends or rivals that were around his age, he only really had older ones like Jake, or younger ones like BMO.
I don't think Tiffany was his age and they were definitely not friends. Finn's relationship with Fern was mega complicated but I don't think you could ever really call them friends exactly.
Would have been nice if the writers didnt waste of all Jake's kids for a stupid gag and then forget about the for several seasons. Finn should have been able to go on adventures with some of them.
I tried thinking of examples but I came to a complete blank. There was just Fern who was on his wavelength, and he turned evil and died. I wonder how isolating that really was for Finn, and if it puts his actions and interactions in a different light.
Finnceline shippers just reek of projection.
Like, I get that you liked Marcy and there's a bunch of fanart and fanfics about the ship,, but the show never even really implied anything between Finn and her, if anything, it went out of its way to sink that ship as soon as possible.
he should find an evil villain rival woman and get a batman/catgirl dynamic going. it really seemed like the writers hated finn toward the end of the series, and even in fionna and cake they seemingly went out of their way to make him look like a clueless, unfeeling meathead when the show proved he was so much more than that
Writers are obssesed with writing conflicted characters who constantly second guess themselves and are going through some sort of fricked up emotional turmoil. Finn and Fionna kinda represent the opposite, the headstrong young hero who doesnt reall question much outside of quick reflective moments here and there. Probably why they sidelined Fionna in her own show and concentrated most of their efforts on the Simon drama.
>Probably why they sidelined Fionna in her own show and concentrated most of their efforts on the Simon drama.
Which was a good decision because people were mainly invested in Simon's story.
At that point just call it Simon & Betty and skip all the filler episodes that were ultimately meaningless. Would have probably made everything not feel extremely rushed.
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The fan comic would have been a great addition before WWM. She only wrote "Come Along with Me" to a special someone after hearing there's a chance they could repair their relationship. That was 11 episodes later
This show should have died after 3 seasons. Its world building and plots sucked dick. The only homosexuals who enjoy this show are nostalgic Goons and yuricucks.
PB is probably around 18-20 here, although how she exactly ages has been inconsistent or unclear (does she add more gum to look older or does she naturally grow? Is she naturally immortal or was that something she achieved through experimentation?). There is a 173 year age gap between Marceline and PB though.
I think she intentionally aged herself up. She must've been a kid for a while in 'bonnibel bubblegum' to have been as knowledgeable as she was. At some point she must've realised it would be better to become an adult.
They both look like they’re middle schoolers here, which is probably how they felt at the time.
We already saw it at the end of Obsidian
I’d prefer to think that that wasn’t the very first meeting, but Marcy invited her to her show after they did. I like Sugar’s drawings with the shirt, especially since she doesn’t have the buzzed sidecuts and looks older and like more of a wistful roamer
>Marceline either serenading a lounging, entranced PB or doing a duet with her >as a promo for What Was Missing
What the frick, Becky?
This b***h had to have been one of the original shippers
The fact that their aesthetics and theme (wandering rocker with a soft heart x morally dubious pink rocker who’s a bit alien in human relationships) is so similar to Greg/Rose probably isn’t a coincidence
7 months ago
Anonymous
>rocker
*lady
Anyways, when you think about it bubbline is like steven’s spiritual grandparents
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Bubbline is proto Grose/ Greg Quartz
Deepest lore
7 months ago
Anonymous
>they both give the pink one a black rock shirt when they come see their concert
yeah
You think Marceline ever heard horror stories and rumors about Simon while growing up? He clearly survived the vampires so there must have been some stories floating around
>stakes
>islands
>elements
Horrible
frick you
Islands was good.
Elements started good but went to shit near the end.
Stakes went to shit pretty fast.
No only islands was bro. Try watching the show next time.
In other words you did not watch it. There were several one offs in later seasons.
I liked them all. Rated I'd put them elements>stakes>islands.
I don’t remember anything about Islands besides Finn’s mom and Susan having a girlfriend. Same for Elements, I only remembered LSP saving the day and Ice King refusing to being Simon again. At least remember most of Stakes, even if its not all good.
>susan ghey
I do not remember this. It sounds to me like you're just a moron and thought her friend was actually her giwlfriend.
I remember blushing and some crew members implying they were gay. They’re seen together riding a vine like Tarzan and Jane in F&C so I guess they’re gay now, if they weren’t before
>riding a vine like Tarzan and Jane in F&C
top kek
i feel like a moron bc i honestly preferred when susan was dumb. as soon as she became smart and regained her memories she became boring
You just like the company of your own.
true…
I found her more interesting as a random lone human in a sewer Finn teaches language to.
It was definitely implying but not full on stating like they've been doing since 2018.
If they ever come back in a significant way they'll probably make it canon they're dykes.
>Oh my gosh she has HEKKIN BLOOOOD in her HEKKIN FACE????????????
>GAAAAAAAAYack
Yeah it was just her childhood friend, no implications that they were in love.
It was pretty cute to see Susan reunited with her gf. Looks like they worked things out a bit.
I thought Stakes and Islands were alright, wasn’t into Elements though, was out of it for like the entire arc
I really liked Elements 🙁
Elements appealed to my corruption fetish therefor it's good.
I liked Islands the most. Nice adventure meat and cleaned up the human stuff in a enjoyable way. Finn meeting his mother, and saying goodbye, was probably the most compelling emotional beat in the show for me. The best of the mini series.
Stakes was fine. Enjoyable, mostly. But Sailor Moon anime reference saving the day made me roll my eyes. Pick something new to reference. And most of the vampires felt kinda boring. Powerups shaped like people. Head vampire was decent though.
Not a fan of Elements. The primal element stuff wasn't enjoyable to me for a while, and I was glad it was over. A plot tumor that was overdue to cut out.
>The primal element stuff wasn't enjoyable to me for a while
Bad taste, I won't elaborate.
On elements now, Marshaline is very neat and cute
Seeing all the familiar characters changed into the various elements were the best part of that mini.
You're about to get to one of the best episodes in the show, Finn and Jake sit on a cloud for 10 minutes
incredibly kino levels present
God I want to sit around a campfire eating Marshmaline
You were not kidding, they sure are on a cloud
Kino, are you joking?
I spit upon your rotten butthole for thinking I was joking.
Haircut therapy is some of the best Finn and Jake material in the entire show. Show some respect you whelp.
I'm probably older than your moronic ass kek.
Yet you have such bad opinions on cartoons, shameful display.
No you're just being a hipster.
>cleaned up the human stuff in a enjoyable way.
No it didn't shut up muto
You have no soul anon.
Frick man, I really want to see some AU where nothing went wrong and Finn got to grow up with his parents.
I've seen some crumbs of it here and there, but I want more.
He would still have all his teeth because there would be dentists on the island
So whats the lore here? Did Finn get sent to Ooo or did someone from Ooo go to the Founder's Island first?
I think Jake gets to the Founder's Island first
Damnit, now I want to see more.
More sketches by artist Neonruss
Thanks boss
>This version wouldn't be cosmically screwed by the Horny Owl and actually engaged with Phoebe
Bros...
Fricking hell
Nah, without Finn first simping hard for PB, and then failing horribly, FP would still be in her Lamp Prison.
Minerva wouldn't be an army of bots and that mega virus wouldn't have gotten released, probably.
fpwp kys Black person
>Stakes
pretty good. The flashbacks were interesting and the music was some of ATs best. Kind of wish Finn, Jack, and Peppermint Butler weren't such assclowns but it's a little excusable here since they're not the focus. Vampire King is a 10/10 character
>Islands
pretty good. Interesting to see what happened with humans, Finn's origin and Susan's past. The climax is a little underwhelming but not enough to sour the whole thing
>Elementals
Dogshit outside of Ice King, LSP, and the episode Cloudy. Not even gonna hide my bias, I always found the Elementals subplot really stupid and boring, and it made pretty much everything it came into contact with boring like the Ice Crown's origins.
>Jack
>it made pretty much everything it came into contact with boring like the Ice Crown's origins.
I saw it as their way of reconciling Ice King's quote from all the way back in season one where he says that he created the crown with magic he stole but the Simon reveal put that into question so they just transposed that backstory into Evergreen.
>I saw it as their way of reconciling Ice King's quote from all the way back in season one where he says that he created the crown with magic he stole but the Simon reveal put that into question so they just transposed that backstory into Evergreen.
I don't get why they couldn't just leave minor discrepancies from early episodes alone
It's not like any attempt to fix those doesn't cause other things to not make sense anymore
That's just how the writers of AT developed plot points, calling back to some obscure line or character and extrapolating from it into a full storyline. Like how The Lich first appeared as a cameo in Billy's debut episode or even how Gumbald was mentioned all the way back around season one or two.
>Like how The Lich first appeared as a cameo in Billy's debut
Lich was a major character from pitch bible and had an episode dedicated to him in season 1. But said episode ended up being unproduced and parts of it were reused in mortal folly. So he's different.
I just ran through all of Adventure Time recently and I feel like this is where it really dropped off. The writers almost completely abandoned the idea of the one off fun episodes and going into season 8 everything was explicitly part of some greater plot.
I liked it when there was sometimes story sprinkled in there amongst the whacky adventures.
You may think this but at the time people wanted them to drop the episodic episodes and focus on the plot
Yeah a commom criticism was that there'd be several episodes of the characters going on wacky or random hijinks and not enough about one of the ongoing storylines or lore bombs
And now here we are where people complain about the fact there are too many lore shows and not enough episodic adventure shows
>people complain about the fact there are too many lore shows and not enough episodic adventure shows
Because half of them are boring as shit and would be better served focusing on self contained episodes occasionally referencing each other instead of some half-assed story told over four seasons with an unsatisfying resolution.
No such things. There are always going to be much more episodic shows. They're just made for literal toddlers so you don't hear anyone talking about them.
People will never be happy so you might as well make what you want.
>people wanted them to drop the episodic episodes and focus on the plot
Listening to what people want on the internet is more often a bad idea than not.
Ah so they shouldn't drop the serialized episodes either.
this
see:
as a prime example of a bad idea
Was Bubbline even a notable ship before WWM? I thought its attention and popularity in the internet came from the episode, not vice versa.
Natasha was drawing them together before they even met in the show.
What's Natasha up to these days?
She was busy with Bee and Puppycat
We call those people "homosexuals", anon.
>people
>into season 8 everything was explicitly part of some greater plot.
That's not a problem in when you are basically "ending" your show or parts of it. All of specials cover something important and were longer adventures. Plenty of episodic shows did end with movies. It's way better format than season 9's which tried to have a cake and eat it.
>in
in theory*
Stakes was actually requested by CN, after the success of OTGW. It's funny, because initially the execs were opposed to ongoing storylines, but then they started demanding more of it because it was easier to promote the episodes as part of a story arc, i.e. the "bomb" format.
Then they immediately changed their minds
Did they? Even shows like SCI had ongoing story arcs, as did Steven Universe/Future. They've definitely become a lot more open to more serialized content than they used to be.
I meant the miniseries format, CN never really did something like Over the Garden Wall ever again. Most of their serialized stuff moved to Max or Adult Swim though they still cancelled stuff like Infinity Train.
They cancelled inifinity train because it didn't do that well. Sorry inifinitygays.
But then they also ordered a second season of Velma
I think velma was renewed before season 1 even aired. Even still...
>I think velma was renewed before season 1 even aired
How does shit like that seem like a good move to execs?
The same thing happened with Adventure Time. If they think they've got a good thing going they'll want to keep the ball rolling. If Max had foreseen how successful Fionna and Cake was gonna be, they might've ordered a second season before season one aired so there isn't this big gap in AT content now.
It’s usually just a scam to pay animators less money for more episodes. Streaming services can get away with paying animators less through some weird loopholes by separating big episode orders into “seasons”. Was a big controversy with the Cuphead Show and probably the same thing happened here.
That era is over, if you check their new series (the few they have), they only want silly episodic content for kids.
Adult cartoons do get more permission though, that is the new hub for serialized stories in animation. And really, it’s where it should be. You don’t have to follow status quo or family friendly guidelines for your story, just tell it how it is.
Also Future sucked balls.
>this is where it really dropped off.
You have a lot better tolerance than I do.
that's the huge problem with highly transparent shows that are made really quickly, similar to netflix series. they essentially let the fans/twitter steer the series direction even if it means abandoning plot threads or drastically changing a style.
It's the miniseries I remember the most due to the wholesome moments between the heroes, but the actual threat of vampires was pretty dull.
How you gonna make a special like this without Abadeer, I will never know.
Abadeer was never a vamp though.
I'm old. Not really but I feel that way. Super cute special too.
That’s my favorite part of this. I find people who are 25-40 thinking they are old when statistically many, many of them have many more years ahead than behind funny.
Seasons 6-10 felt like one long contiguous season
Pretty sure seasons 9 and 10 were actually supposed to be one season but they split it off so CN could pretend the show had ten seasons overall.
Honestly yeah like I don’t like orgalorg but at least his season finale felt like a season finale and not just one long ass season because cn was too stupid to pull the plug on this show in 2015
I find it weird how people seem to forget about The Comet—it’s like one of three times an AT season ended with some actual closure.
It may seem strange but part of me wishes the show had ended here. Yeah, it had already kinda shat the bed by this point, and the finale itself wasn’t very good, but it ended on a cautiously hopeful note that felt natural. After this it really started to feel like the show was meandering and pointless.
>meandering and pointless.
So like always.
>Dreamworks STAKES!
>Are getting raised this summer!
She could stake me.
The las parts were really boring
When I was doing an Adventure Time rewatch it was kind of fricking with me just how late into the series Stakes actually happened.
When do you think it should've happened?
I think where it happened is mostly fine but it's just that it has huge importance developing the Bubbline dynamic at least how the writing tries to present it as. Even though we already got episodes where they end in very similar places to where Stakes ended.
>Bubbline dynamic
Because in early seasons it wasn't a thing. So it couldn't exist
Technically it started all the way back in season three and since then it was obvious the writers wanted to stick with it despite having to present it through subtext because of CN censors at the time like the Maja episode where Bonnie keeps sniffing the rock shirt and it's later shown to have more emotion and baggage poured into it than even Hambo.
Still find it hilarious.
It started as a "Betty and Veronica" dynamic and almost every autist here knows it. The problem is that even this version of relationship barely existed during first half of the show for "some" reason.
Yeah CN loves censorship. Interesting to see how things changed.
>It started as a "Betty and Veronica" dynamic and almost every autist here knows it.
I don't think the show actually ever had the time to establish that dynamic. PB and Marceline's first ever appearance together was in Go With Me, where they reveal that they already knew each other and long enough for Marceline to casually call PB by her first name (which was also the first time we learned it was Bonnibel).
The next time they appeared together was in What Was Missing, which what established Marceline and PB's dynamic as "estranged old exes".
Yet people still complain that it wasn't obvious.
I hate how early pb looks like a slug
Heck, if they really wanted the best of both worlds, they could've had Marcy tease Finn as a indirect way to mess with PB. Sowing seeds of doubt in Finn, and questioning whether or not PB is just using him as a pawn. PB can confront Marceline about this, further antagonizing each other with verbal jabs that have undertones of two resentful exes. The back-and-forth tugging can reach a boiling point, with Finn either acting as a mediator, getting over the fact of being used in order to save his fractured friendship, or just telling both of them off in his own frustration.
Marcy and PB could then realize their rivalry isn't worth getting others they care about emotionally hurt and work to repair their friendship with Finn and repair their own friendship. Then it can naturally and gradually come to them reigniting their past love.
Too much for the show at the time. It had to look like kiddie slop instead of stoner humor ect.
>Then it can naturally and gradually come to them reigniting their past love
This but with PB and her actual lover.
So kind of like this comic? (part 1)
LMAO as if the show would ever have Finn be on good terms with the two of them while they were setting up Bubbline in the background. He was deemed too much of a threat so they spent 7 seasons undoing any chemistry they had going on and turning Finn into a pathetic reject so the only possible ship in anyone's mind would be Bubbline. And it worked, people to this day bring up the retcons as a sign of "see, they were never meant to be all along it was all planned like this from the start".
Oh look it's a schizogay.
I dont know. I feel them turning Finn into a creepy incel didnt have much to do with PB and Marceline and more some writer not liking the FP ship for some reason and looking for any way to break them up. FP and Finn were actually very cute together but gotta make Finn act wildly out of character for some reason to frick it up.
Do you think it's a coincidence that the episode in which PB doesn't let Finn rest on his lap, and then he turns into a pathetic crying mess on the floor about it, is the same episode as FP is introduced in, all written by Sugar who introduced Bubbline in WWM a couple episodes earlier? Even though the same season has PB voluntarily kissing on the lips when written by another writer?
>Even though the same season has PB voluntarily kissing on the lips when written by another writer?
Which she immediately disregarded once she grew up again
Ah Wizard Battle? Didn't she slap him afterwards for cheating? Funnily enough Pendelton Ward actually regrets making PB the prize of the wizard contest
>Didn't she slap him afterwards for cheating?
Yes, but post-WWM PB would just slap him and nothing else
>Funnily enough Pendelton Ward actually regrets making PB the prize of the wizard contest
That has nothing to do with the Finn kiss though, it's a general "women shouldn't be a reward for whoever wins" regret and possibly how PB agreeing to it affects her characterization, but her kissing Finn wasn't a reward for him winning
This part was dumb, pen was right, it was a mistake.
That's not the part he regretted
I know that *technically* Finn didn't win because he cheated, but she kissed him within the context of her being a kissy prize. The whole thing is pretty gross, and not very in character. Yes, even for early PB. I'm sure you'll disagree on that.
>but she kissed him within the context of her being a kissy prize
She didn't, she says "that's for being sweet" out loud after kissing him
Being sweet... by cheating in a competition to kiss her. You can't divorce it from that context. If the prize was something else, it wouldn't have ended like that. PB didn't kiss him on the lips like that other times he was "being sweet." Kissing on the cheek's her usual go-to.
You think if another cheater won and admitted it she would've kissed them on the mouth like she did Finn? She was kissing her champion for looking out for her
>"Oh Finn, you did all that for me?"
No, but honestly I don't think she would for anyone. She wouldn't have offered herself up as a kissy prize to begin with. The way she was characterised in this ep was wrong. I still like it despite that.
I think she would reveal herself as the second coming of Hitler and proceed to send them to a concentration camp.
I just don't like how it sporadically died like that. I personally believe that Finn x FP was the kind of ship that was meant to be, but not meant to last. The breakup was the real issue; it should've been a slow burn falling out of love rather than a railroaded train crash. The fricking Cosmic Owl being there just made it worse too, that butthole did NOT need to be there.
Why couldn't they have just... let finn have his fire gf?
Their chemistry was absolutely fantastic, and made sense too.
The Hero redeeming the 'evil' misunderstood girl dynamic is fricking utter kino and fits adventure time like a glove.
They ruined it for what... drama and views? I genuinely wonder how many teens flipped their shit when Finn and FP broke up, because I sure did and I was absolutely coping and hoping they'd get back together in the follow up episodes. Shit's fricking lame.
>Their chemistry was absolutely fantastic
It was desperate "love at first sight" bullshit and they barely even interacted. From day 1 it was a garbage ship with character forced by executives that fricked over the original premise.
>Why couldn't they have just... let finn have his fire gf?
I guess its because its not the story they wanted to tell? Thats the only reasoning I have, I was never a part of the writer's room at that time, nor am I a writer, just some rando.
>Their chemistry was absolutely fantastic, and made sense too.
This is where I have to call bullshit. They had chemistry the way baking soda has chemistry with vinegar; shit starts exploding. There was an entire episode about how dangerous it was that Finn tickled FP's heart, and beyond the practical issues, they didn't have interests in common or compatible lives. Finn is and always will be an adventurer, while Flame Princess has to be tied down to her kingdom. She doesn't really engage with dungeons in a way that Finn could jive with, and I can't recall a shared interest between the two of them at all. For god's sake, they can't even touch eachother without protective gear or magic. It was cute and I'm not denying it for a second, but it didn't have substance.
>He was deemed too much of a threat
actually delusional. No, they didn't make Finn pathetic in some conspiratorial effort to destroy his relationships with PB and Marcy. Get a grip.
This was really cool, too bad they turned Finn into an OOC creep who in this situation would have probably listened to Jake and think they were fighting over him instead of trying to help them out like a hero.
>turned Finn into an OOC creep
So just like the second half of the show
>Marceline is too out of character, I don't like this
So just like in the second half of the show
How so?
She used to be a lot more chaotic early on. The only later episode where she was more in-line with her first few appearances was the one with her and LSP.
I think that's simply because Finn and Jake came to know her more and more, and Marceline admits that it's not as fun trollling them once they knew what her actual deal was, plus the events of certain episodes like Stakes or I Remember You and her becoming less lonely by having a consistent group of friends mellowed her out.
Domestic violence energy.
The fan comic would have been a great addition before WWM. She only wrote "Come Along with Me" to a special someone after hearing there's a chance they could repair their relationship. That was 11 episodes later
Part 2
Marceline is too out of character, I don't like this
In which way?
Part 3
Damn... That would have been a good follow up to WWM.
>Then it can naturally and gradually come to them reigniting their past love.
But Cinemaphile hates lesbians.
Speak for yourself.
Bingo.
There is a whole world other than Finn to see.
>Cinemaphile hates contrived, poorly written lesbians.
ftfy
NTA, but using SU is a bad example given how much of a shitty character Steven is compared to Finn.
The point still stands that Finn and Jake are the main protags of AT's story. Yes the land of Ooo has plenty of other characters that you could show an entire episode's worth of lore with, but F&J are the mains due to their impact on the setting overall. the F&C mini-series already showed us that the land of Ooo would be a radically different place without Simon's influence on Marceline, leading to the Vampire AU. So can you really say that characters like PB, Marcy, and IK would still play out the exact same without Finn or Jake? Their heroism and good nature has rubbed off on them and made them better people than they once were. Like him or not, the land of Ooo would be a much bleaker place without someone like Finn in it.
kek at Cinemaphile writing bubbline and still making it revolve around finn.
Finn's the MC. Steven Universe was allowed to have drama where Steven inserted himself into other people's relationships, why can't Adenture Time?
Steven having to be inserted into every story was one of the worst parts of Steven Universe
SU sucked precisely because everything had to revolve around Steven.
Finn is my favorite character and I like him being involved as much as possible but everyone hated how SU did it, whenever they had to do backstory they had to make it some dumb framing device of the gems telling Steven about it and he always had to be involved even when the episode would have worked better without him.
AT did it much better, but specifically in terms of Bubbline it sucks how after What Was Missing Finn was never involved in their arc in a meaningful way.
I wouldn't want him always butting in on their business. Seems rude and messed up.
It would just be nice if he like, every did anything important. The closest is Stakes and his role in that was to be moronic in the corner while Bubblegum and Marceline have meaningful moments with each other.
There can be something in between Finn has no impact and Finn is Steven Universe hogging the camera every second.
>but everyone hated how SU did it
I never thought about how SU did it.
>I don't think the show actually ever had the time to establish that dynamic. PB and Marceline's first ever appearance together was in Go With Me, where they reveal that they already knew each other and long enough for Marceline to casually call PB by her first name
That could still be in favor of the Betty and Veronica thing, it didn't inherently need to be anything that opposed the original idea. It was WWM that kickstarted the frickery.
You just lie to yourself, huh?
She had been wearing it as a pyjama for centuries, really doubt that it had any stinky vampire sweat left in it.
And you can definitely tell that they were trying to make up from lost time, because god, does it feel like it’s being rushed. I still remember that cringe-inducing “or maybe it’s…love?” like from marceline.
Funny how most of Marceline's backstory was "planned", proposed and shelved long before, during season 2.
I think it was cold feet, the zeitgeist at the time was completely against serialized cartoons, the only one that did well was avatar
It wasn't even that. The team was picking parts and bits of it from late season 3 onwards
>I realized [sometime during the production of season two] that we'd never actually had Marceline and Ice King interact with each other in the same episode, and we’d also established that they were both 1000 years old. I thought that was meaningful, and so I started coming up with this whole elaborate backstory [explaining that] Marceline was the daughter of a demon and a human ... [and that roughly one thousand years prior to the start of the show] Marceline and Ice King were working together to save humanity [from vampires]. But Ice King was losing himself [to the ice crown], and it all landed on Marceline to fight off the vampires as the humans were escaping on an ark, set for some unknown shore. ... So in the final struggle, as a mutated horde of monsters and vampires come to kill the last remaining humans ... [Marceline] goes and fights the vampires with her demon powers so that the boat can leave. The humans make it, but Marceline is turned into a vampire. So she's stuck looking [like a teenager] forever, and Ice King is stuck being crazy ... and it's too heartbreaking for [Marceline] to ever even go near him, so she avoids him and lives in a cave ... Anyway, I pitched this whole huge elaborate thing to the writers room and they were like, "That's cool, Pat." But it was too much plot. Nobody was very excited about it.
To be honest, I would have preferred if Stakes was one long flashback story arc about Marceline and Simon vs the vampires in the past as per Patrick Mchale's original intention
>I realized [sometime during the production of season two] that we'd never actually had Marceline and Ice King interact with each other in the same episode, and we’d also established that they were both 1000 years old. I thought that was meaningful, and so I started coming up with this whole elaborate backstory [explaining that] Marceline was the daughter of a demon and a human ... [and that roughly one thousand years prior to the start of the show] Marceline and Ice King were working together to save humanity [from vampires]. But Ice King was losing himself [to the ice crown], and it all landed on Marceline to fight off the vampires as the humans were escaping on an ark, set for some unknown shore. ... So in the final struggle, as a mutated horde of monsters and vampires come to kill the last remaining humans ... [Marceline] goes and fights the vampires with her demon powers so that the boat can leave. The humans make it, but Marceline is turned into a vampire. So she's stuck looking [like a teenager] forever, and Ice King is stuck being crazy ... and it's too heartbreaking for [Marceline] to ever even go near him, so she avoids him and lives in a cave ... Anyway, I pitched this whole huge elaborate thing to the writers room and they were like, "That's cool, Pat." But it was too much plot. Nobody was very excited about it.
Same here,still pissed we never got an empress flashback when it’s very clear she had the most interesting one like she was probably the first major vampire marceline staked and the whole event was probably the first time she saw Simon after he left
this was comfy mini series and made me want something more with casual paranormal hunters that isnt gravity falls
Look the thing is, people wanted to know what happened in Ooo, people wanted to know about the mushroom war, people wanted to know about Simon. They wienerteasead us since the very opening about these things, after Gravity falls was succesful it was inevitable they would try and to more plot related stuff, especially since the demand by the fanbase was gigantic.
Honestly it was alright the boomer vampire and the moon were fun the stupid “everything stays” message was super lame like they shot themselves in the foot having vampire king surrender immediately because it was just bs plot contrivance after bs plot contrivance after
As for the other two Miniseries islands was eh but it felt a bit lame that they barely were even on the actual island like the vr island was funny but it just dragged and the island with the one swedish woman was boring as hell not to mention the episode with the stupid annoying fish that felt like a fricking smg4 plot or how weak the stuff on the island was in general but the Minerva and Martin backstory was alright (I think it’s obvious it’s my least favorite)
As for elements , I honestly liked it though once again it’s ending was just lame they should’ve shelved the episode where the fire kingdom attacks the candy kingdom or the cloud episode hell even just that stupid orb episode between islands and elements and had more time between Betty getting sent to mars and lsp actually fixing ooo
>Almost a decade ago
That's the last bit of Adventure Time I actually sat down and watched because I like Marcy. I clocked out with that Martin stuff so that must've been...12 years ago?
Yes, it still haunts them to this day.
this mogged it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCF-fK_jV30
Marcy has PB spoiled af. Making her a song for just about anything.
honestly obsidian saved bubbline for me. and some moments in season 10
I was always on board. Just wish I could have followed the show more. Life got complicated for me. The og show could have afforded more time to build on bubbline though.
Fricking bangers. Almost wished they did stay broken up because Marcy's more fun as a spiteful tsundere imo.
Not sure PB could handle the spicy bat that long.
In WWM Marceline spits on PB, they are beating each other out of house and home.
A lot has happened since then, and at the same time very little has happened.
All those passing moments that came and went, little did I know they were life.
Huntress Wizard if she had Marceline personality....
What is the difference here?
Finn can fix her good.
That's a good hug
Watching the cardwars episode with Jake's daughter Charlie. She seems like an butthole.
Well she does give birth to a future dictator
Hitler style (based) or Mao style (a lot less based)?
He does have a stache
Based style but against his own race
Gibbon is the Kylo Ren of AT, he's Jake's grandson but since the pups age extremely fast, he would have already been around during the events of Distant Lands/Fionna and Cake and probably personally knew Finn, Jake, and the other mcs but it's implied he was the one who eventually brought the Human-Candy City to ruin in the far future.
Remember when that Frederator thing Mathematical confirmed Bubbline right after WWM aired all the way back in 2011 and had to cancel the whole video series over it? And then Olivia Olson confirmed it again at a book thing in 2014(?) and got in trouble for it?
I 'member. Honestly, I kind of get both of those. It's shitty that the crew had to be so sneaky with it, but it's bad form for people associated with production to impose their interpretations onto it.
I just think it's funny how they've been outed as being written as being gay exes from the start multiple times but everyone kept getting told to shut the frick up about it in public, and they only got a kiss in the finale in 2018.
Look at how far gay stuff's gotten with other shows now jumping from, say, Korrasami being absurdly vague to Bubbline kissing to Lumity being into each other for a good chunk of the series.
The guy who made the mathematical video had no involvement with the crew, he was just responding to fan speculation. Technically it didn't confirm anything, it just looked like it did. The Olivia thing though, 100%. No doubt in my mind she was being genuine.
It is crazy how far it's come. People will look back at these shows in the future as examples of the changing times.
Everyone took the 2011 thing as solid proof
>People will look back at these shows in the future as examples of the changing times.
It's crazy to me to see new fans complain that Bubbline is bad representation because it isn't explicitly gay until the finale. They don't realise that the writers literally COULDN'T do more. It's definitely interesting to see the progression of queer rep in cartoons, from something like Adventure Time to something more recent like The Owl House.
I’ve grown to appreciate the Bubbline moments due to how soft and lowkey they were compared to slog trite like Owl House.
Yeah, I enjoy that too. They're cute.
Yeah, but what about Finn/HW?
I dig it. I would've loved to learn more about HW and see her and Finn's relationship further explored.
I know, right?
TOH was fine, it's nice to see less censorship.
Oh no. They couldn't get with lots of stuff. Should I just for example treat PB x Finn the same way since cartoon network just didn't want any romances at the beginning when Ward was in charge? Should I call CN executives heterophobes? TV station's demands are not censorship, they're just station's demands.
>TV station's demands are not censorship, they're just station's demands.
Not every network demand is censorship but most of the time it basically is
>Please substitute for "dork" as it is slang for penis
That just makes EEnE even funnier within that context.
if you wanna see trite see the gay relationship in kibo and the wonderbeasts, jesus that was cringe
They were pretty blatant with wwm anyways.
>she was being genuine.
Depends on what do you mean by genuine, stakes were being made around 2014/2015 so what she said was nothing extraordinary, well outside of spoiler territory.
Here's a fragment of an older interview:
>Olivia: Well…after the “What Was Missing” episode, the fansareactually the ones who cameup with the wholelesbianpossibility (laughs). I was talking toKentOsborne–
>Martin: – head writer of the show,andan old friend of ours –
>Olivia: --and we were just jokingaround,and I went, “Really? You mademealesbian?” (laughs)And he goes, “No! That didn’t even cross our minds.” But so many of the fans were convinced that was going on that inaweird way, they’re maybe kind of banking on thatalittle bit.
>Martin: They’re just letting the rumor be there, even though it’s not true.
>Olivia: Yeah.
Sugar has explicitly stated that it was her and Adam's intention to imply a past romantic relationship in WWM. It didn't come from the writers' room at first, which is what I'm guessing Kent was referring to, because there's no way he didn't know about that.
well then she's a big liar, as even a moron could tell. Nothing about that song, or any other interaction between the two, makes sense in any way other than "each mutually wishes to be near the other, but has always stayed away due to an assumption of disdain"
Surely people who sing about "wanting to drink the red from your pretty pink face" just want to be near each other and that's about it
Not him but context is the most important thing. Given context that could really be something other than infatuation or attraction.
In the context of the episode, it really does imply that they previously had a relationship and a lot of emotional baggage was left over since Marceline's song almost manages to open the door on its own until she realizes she was basically confessing her feelings and backtracked out of embarassment.
Damn dude you're autistic as frick.
I recognise you're being facetious but can't tell what point you're trying to make. I took this as an aggressive and mocking sentiment rather than indicative of any kind of romantic intent
You're autistic.
Yes, but I think it's even more autistic to take it purely literally like "whoa she called her pretty, clearly this means something", rather than how that could easily be an insult. Likewise, wanting to see the colour drain out of someone's face when they see you is a sentiment people in the real world espouse too, towards people they hold grudges and spite against. It's not intrinsically WHOAAAAA SEXY LESBIAN TIME. It serves its only purpose which is to illustrate that there's genuine spite and resentment between them. It's open ended enough (without later seasons for context) to be read in any way because it doesn't suggest much at all, just that there WAS a past
It's like you don't even know the lyrics, or you're esl.
I mean it is a aggressive and mocking statement but in the context of them obviously having been in a relationship before that ended badly
>I want to suck your face
>Where's the possible romantic implications???
Anon-chama...
I dunno man, it's less weird for a vampire to be saying it, you expect the weirdly sensual undertones to just be present automatically
If I learned the lyrics to every sad lesbian breakup song I would be more brain-fried than an ESL
I'm gonna take the word of the person who wrote the episode over some secondhand info from a voice actor. Is it really that hard to admit you were wrong?
That was pretty outrageous, thankfully that won't happen again with Bubbline at least. What a stupid thing to happen. Censorship is never any good.
i always wondered why they got so much trouble for that
Vladimir Putin personally called CN headquarters and threatened to blow them up
It legitimately was a different time.
Censorship is a b***h.
Like the other anon said, it was a different time, a WAY different time.
and now Nickelodeon is airing a cartoon with a nonbinary(female) frankenmonster who has a thing for a mummy girl
Uhhh i think it was uh mmm.. a different time i think maybe??, not sure tho!
It's called slow boiling the frog
I wish the frog would boil faster
still too many who cry about the gays
It was back when you could call trannies out for trying to brainwash children, I’d be upset but noone watches this propaganda anymore, they watch shows lile Bluey that just try to be without grooming kids
next time someone brings up Lightyear and/or how it was 'supposed' to been released in 1995 ,remember this means couldn't have had it shot for shot in 2015
>make susan strong get even more muscly
>also make her ugly as shit for no reason
But why
Season 8 jokes are bad.
dont know what that is but it looks like shit, finn is the main character
>finn
Who, incel?
Finn the femboy
This was at a time Marceline was barely in the show. She deserved her time in the sun, uh, shade.
kek
Imagine how much happier Ice King would be if he had let PB spread her elemental jizz all over him
This is adorable but sad. Because even if they are happy deep down the same isn't true. Marceline was humming green sleeves for Christ sake. Anywho lovely picture.
She was humming green sleeves because how else can you frick a giant tower?
Poor marshmallow was denied her hot gum sex because her girl turned into a tower.
Funny detail I just noticed from the Islands and Elements intros, when Finn fist-bumps Jake you can see that he is in pain because of the metal arm
Heh never noticed.
pretty funny
People have this idea that time passes faster than we think.
It doesn't, it's just that years are shorter than we think
I can not believe there isn’t a single good adventure time game
I can't believe anons hate it so much just because they screwed up Finn. Sure he was way weaker in this story than he's supposed to be but are you just going to ignore how fun all of the rest of it was? Vamp hunting with friends is kino, and marceline's backstory was pretty tight.
This place has literally the moronicest takes on AT. Ignore the haters.
It just wasn't very good anon
Yes it was.
Die this moment.
The fist bump that saved Adventure Time
>reading this article
>every time Ian is quoted it's him being the realest homie alive
>every time Rebecca is quoted it's some pretentious word soup that makes it clear she has no idea what she's talking about
Rebecca’s contribution to cartoons is injecting tumblr/webcomic romance into everything, of course she’d try to dress it up as something more sophisticated
I would love to know what the frick makes him cling to her so much. She's dragging him and the entire western animation industry down.
Examples
Only the last one is cringe.
It's a shame the series she was promised by Ward was merely a miniseries
You know, sometimes I wonder why they didn't make Princess Bubblegum a playable character in Adventure Time: Explore The Dungeon Because I Don't Know??? She is one of the series' mains after all and was a fairly popular character at the time of the game's release, so her lack of inclusion is questionable at best. I personally like when video games have a lot of unlockable content, and Adventure Time: Explore The Dungeon Because I Don't Know??? was the perfect game to feature the entirety of the series' main cast as playable characters. I also believe Hunson Abadeer and The Lich would've been algebraic additions to the game.
You're weird also was it a good game? I've never heard of anyone who played it.
I am weird, but I am not underaged, or a glowie. I enjoyed the game when I owned it on my Wii U and played it again for a short time recently on my friend's emulator setup.
So Stakes established that the humans wore animal hats to protect their necks against vampire bites but they're still doing it 1000 years later in Islands, is that because it involved into a cultural thing or...?
at that point its more a tradition/cultural thing.
Same thing as IRL, their pedophile leaders think it's attractive on children.
HW with a focus in the next series
I read that as "HW with a focus on sex scenes" and I agreed with it just as much.
The flashback version of Doctor Gross is kind of frickable.
>Minirva is Bri'ish
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO, I CAN'T BELIEVE I WHACKED OFF TO HER PICTURES, I'M THROWNIG UP ANON, OH NOOO
>Minirva is Bri'ish
Irish
>Finn's Irish
Frick I thought he was white, this ruins most of my ships
His name was Finn Mertens, it even sounds Irish you mook.
nta but it explains why he is so stupid
Good.
homie, Finn is paler and blonder than you
It aint the 1920s bud, unless you're joking
If he's got one drop of non-white blood then he's a non-white anon, I'm sorry
Finn is literally one of the most Irish fricking names possible. It's literally the name of one of their mythological heroes Finn McCool
HOT
I cared about Marceline in the stakes series, but this Islands series just seems so much better in almost every way.
She really shoulda tagged along considering
No, no need, half Demon. She isn't one of them fully they wouldn't accept her.
Commit suicide right now. I know you haven't seen it yet but you know something about it and if you think it's better then you need to DIE!
Nah
Stakes sucked ass.
also-also, if you were fricking someone or whatever girls do in place of fricking, you'd know whether or not she wore your gift as pajamas. you would not think "oh I bought her that and she never wore it, guess she doesn't wanna be around me"
Do you think Minerva would approve of Finn racemixing with Huntress Wizard?
Playing the flute with her was part of the good memories that she saw from Finn at least, so there's that.
Man, I really wish we could've seen Finn's mom properly interacting with the cast.
A good option for good fanfic writers. Hopefully some physically disgusting fujo out there wrote something like it. I'll be diving into fanfics once I'm done watching the entire series.
Here's one I remember that has lots of HW and some of Minerva, good story in general. Bookmark this for when you're done dude
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13310518/1/In-Extremis
This version has a fricked up chapter order though so you should find the A03 version, I can't link it though because Cinemaphile is moronic.
>I can't link it though because Cinemaphile is moronic.
That sure is weird. Thanks anon.
Jermaine's original voice (Jake's VA's best attempt at a blacky impression) was much better
Is it just me or this episode would have made a good "Marceline is a bigger sis to Finn" episode with it's theme.
It would've. A bigger sis impregnates
there was supposed to be a "he" in that.
Too late. Marceline impregnates Finn.
The futa aficionados have won, I kneel
Woah, based!
They should've had a rematch
Why are the later seasons so noticeably less funny?
The show mellowed out and became way more introspective than shitposty
That's not really what I mean. The jokes just seem worse. Not fewer in quantity, though that may or may not be true as well. Just worse. Less funny.
It's tied to that, a lot of early AT humor was wacky and random with a dose "how can we get away with this in a children's cartoon" but that original energy drained as the show went on, mainly because the writers were running out of ideas and so they started to shift the focus and do more experimental or emotional episodes, including expanding on the lore than being as funny as possible.
I feel like the later seasons were still pretty funny. Maybe not as funny as the earlier ones, but when I think of flaws of the later seasons them lacking humor isn't one that is super prominent.
now that the dust has settled, did you rike older Finn?
I've hated all forms of older Finn cause they're not Pillowworld older Finn
If Flapjack is canonically part of the Adventure Time multiverse and The Lich's jake hand was spread across every universe, does that mean Flapjack had to fight The Lich?
Does that mean flapjack is the Finn of that universe?
I always headcannoned that there's only a couple multiverses and that the flapjack world spearheaded the other worlds by some previous incarnation of flap wishing for the world to be made of candy or nicer or something
i feel like i am the only person on the internet that did not like the lesbian ship at ALL.
I didn't like it either anon, Finn should've laid the Vampire Queen.
Marceline was like the one female friend aside from LSP that Finn made clear he had no attraction or feelings towards, he seems to prefer autistic girls like PB, Flame Princess, and Huntress Wizard.
I don't care, he should've realized Marceline was best girl. Also Finn banged LSP later on (mind you it was more like LSP raped him)
>(mind you it was more like LSP raped him)
Early AT was kind of sus with how much characters wanted to bang Finn despite him being 12 at the time, like Slime Princess asking him to marry her in Prisoners of Love.
Makes sense considering Pen Ward explicitly wanted to make a hero fantasy for boys, which includes getting all the girls.
>he had no attraction or feelings towards
Anon you are a fricking moron, just because it was retconned later by hack writers doesn't mean anything.
is this scene supposed to prove something
you must be a dyke, yes, it's setting up marcy as the ethereal older girl playing guitar who he may or may not be in love with. i'm not sure how to explain to a frigid lesbian how this works, but basically when your hero is a 13 year old boy and you throw in a mysterious cool girl playing guitar, that more or less suggests a possible romance later in the plot
that's cool, but it would have been better if that occurred in the original series and not ten years later in a spin off only tumblr rejects watched
>not ten years later in a spin off only tumblr rejects watched
Pretty sure it actually got more viewers than Ahsoka, it was the most watched original show on Max at the time
Why even bother with that troll?
>it was the most watched original show on Max at the time
Really? The AT name still carries that much weight?
Crazy.
Yeah, it did really well. Even now it's #2 on max in terms of online engagement.
https://televisionstats.com/s/adventure-time:-fionna-and-cake
That probably guarantees more AT content coming in the future, right?
Hopefully.
Need a F&C series that actually focuses on Fionna and Cake. Ideally one set up on their Ooo and is somewhat reminiscent of the serial silly nature of early AT. Its progressive for women to make fart jokes right?
I just want more alcoholic Fionna and cat jokes. Anything else is just extra.
I'd be surprised if we didn't get more. The person who greenlit F+C isn't at Max anymore so who knows. It's a fickle business.
Muto said it's up in the air if Fionna and Cake gets a second season or they take anthology approach and create another limited series. He did say they have a list of AT ideas that could work as a totally new series, a miniseries, or a special.
I don't think that's a good metric. Animation as a whole has been fairly starved of new content for a while now to the point where any new cartoon is going to have eyes on it. Fricking Velma had high engagement numbers.
Fionna and Cake engagement is still decent though, almost a month after it finished. While not nearly at its peak, AT still has a decently sized, loyal fanbase all these years later. That's very valuable. Who is talking about Velma now?
I feel like it was a combination of the Fionna and Cake actually receiving marketing unlike Distant Lands, old fans of the show watching out of AT nostalgia and it targeting that audience with the memberberries and the Y-14 rating, and the multiverse premise feeding the fandom is what led to the series being successful.
>you must be a dyke, yes, it's setting up marcy as the ethereal older girl playing guitar who he may or may not be in love with. i'm not sure how to explain to a frigid lesbian how this works, but basically when your hero is a 13 year old boy and you throw in a mysterious cool girl playing guitar, that more or less suggests a possible romance later in the plot
Holy moron schizo
It's really something. I wonder if these "lesbians" are in the room with him now lol.
I rewatched AT recently and, honestly, I never got the impression that PB or Marceline were ever meant to be actual romantic interests for Finn. Sure, Finn crushes on PB but the whole point is that it is puppylove and that she is both too old and too important for him. The episode where she regresses in age is specifically meant to show how the actual ship cant and doesnt work and Finn vowing to wait is due to the misguided advice of Jake (he is not even paying attention to Finn) and its meant to convey that Finn will lose romantic interest in PB way before he actually gets old enough to date her, as evidenced by the introduction of FP shortly after.
If anything, there is more to suggest a possible romance between Finn and Marceline in the movie night episode. But even then he only likes her as a friend. And that is explicitly stated.
I'd argue PB still counts because Finn very explicitly had a crush on her, and they focused a LOT on that, she was very much an interest for Finn's love, it even seemed like it could work for a hot minute in Too Young, just for it to end terribly, and even after he donked it up with FP, Finn tried to rekindle the magic in Too Old, just to fail miserably.
if you're not dykes, then you must be just plain gays, not sure what else to tell you. it's ok I don't hate gays.
Only to the mind of a schizo would it prove anything.
Yes? Him getting a fricking boner because of her and desperately trying to hide is a pretty clear indication. What do you think that bed scene represents?
>him getting a boner
He literally didn't though, watch the episode. Also, are you a liar or a moron? Any kid would have gotten a boner(he didn't because it's pg), do you not know what the frick anything even is? Commit suicide you troll.
>he didn't because it's pg
No shit
>destined
That anon I was replying to was talking about attraction not some fricking "destiny". So what are you even whining about?
This may surprise you but a boy getting a boner over someone does not imply that other somebody is somehow destined for him. It doesnt even imply that the boy even wants any romance with that woman.
what is wrong with you
?
He was embarrassed at the thought of being watched doing gross shit like scratch his ass and sniffing it. Begone schizo finnceline poster.
Go be a moron somewhere else.
Yeah it was clear neither were interested.
yea there totally wasn't a FLCL dynamic where the young kid is in love with the older teen sister girl who plays guitar and has a mysterious past or anything
Finn was in love with PB, Marceline was more like his troll friend he liked to occasionally hang out with
if the series wasn't given to millenials with hang ups and who hated "male fantasies" marcy would have been girl number 2
Finn is living the male fantasy by the time of Fionna and Cake, he's constantly going out on adventures, he actually maintained a relationship with Huntress Wizard for over 12 years, and he's probably the most well connected guy in Ooo at that point. Sure Jake died and he's not coping completely healthily but it's still better than how Simon was initially faring.
Haven't and obviously will not ever watch this show obviously because I'm not a moron, but I know that everything you just said was a lie.
Wrong board
Correct, there wasn't.
there was, despite your frigid lesbian kvetching
I'm not arguing that they retconned Bubbline in, but Marcy was simply never an actual love interest of Finn.
Pb has zero autism you moron. Or are you just a liar trying to tell people that "autism = smart"?
>PB has zero autism
Unless you bring up magic
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Okay to be fair I know that episode LOOKS autistic but shut up. Also she changed, she knows magic is real now.
>Marceline was like the one female friend aside from LSP that Finn made clear he had no attraction or feelings towards
What about Susan Strong? And I guess Rainicorn too.
nah that's a pretty normal reaction if you're not some homosexualass tumblr user
Is it? No one outside of Cinemaphile b***hed about it
Yeah so far it's Islands >>>> Stakes >>>>>>>>> Elements
This but Islands > Elements > Stakes
The correct ranking
(Stakes still isn't bad, Finn and Jake are just annoying in it and it has the biggest status quo of any miniseries. I wouldn't even say it develops Marceline's character much I feel like she acts the same after it as she did before)
I never watched this, I gave up Adventure time after yet another episode that shit on Finn for no reason. Was it good?
It was okay. The comedic writing took a huge shit a season or two before it and so far hasn't recovered. My only hope going forward at this point is that the new Fionna show is actually funny rather than SNL-tier(shit)
Nah, Fionna and Cake wasn't really funny, the main hook was the drama with Simon and that it kind of acted as a retrospective on Adventure Time's run.
Tipoff. After watching the series finale, the order goes like this
BMO > Obsidian > Wizard City > Fionna and Cake > Together Again
If you get disappointed by Come Along with Me, just know Together Again is the true ending to the series. It's also ironically the funniest of the post-show entries and the closest to capturing early AT's spirit, which is ironic considering the ending managed to make me cry.
Nah, Fionna and Cake should be watched last. I get why you put Together Again last, but it was intended to be viewed as part of Distant Lands, and F+C somewhat assumes you've seen it. Release order is the way to go pretty much every time. I agree on watching Wizard City first just because that was written with the hope it would air before Together Again.
>Together Again is the true ending to the series
I don't agree. Whatever your feeling on CAWM is, it was the finale to the show as a whole. Together Again is more like an epilogue.
Fionna and Cake directly references the original show and Distant Lands except Together Again beyond acknowledging Jake is dead but Obsidian kind of already hinted at that so it could easily still be watched last
>I don't agree. Whatever your feeling on CAWM is, it was the finale to the show as a whole. Together Again is more like an epilogue.
CAWM didn't really feel like it had much finality, just that this was a storyline that the show happened to end on but it could have easily still continued on from there and technically it did through the sequel shows.
It could be, but I really don't like watching stuff out of release order personally. The Distant Lands specials definitely feel like their own unique AT series, for better and worse, and should be watched together imo.
>CAWM didn't really feel like it had much finality
You're right, but it summed up the ethos of the entire show, and included all the main characters - not just honed in on the Finn+Jake relationship. It's also the last episode of the og show. I liked Together Again, but like I said, the DL specials definitely feel like their own thing, and not as connected to the original show.
>The DL specials definitely feel like their own thing, and not as connected to the original show.
But ironically the DL specials were basically repurposed episodes that were going to be miniseries like Stakes and Islands had the show not been cancelled and Together Again takes elements from the cancelled Adventure Time movie.
The shape and tone those ideas took is very different to what would've been if they had been part of an actual season of AT. The 44-minute format, artstyle change, and new writers all give DL it's own feel.
>Together Again takes elements from the cancelled Adventure Time movie.
Did it? I know that part of it was inspired by a season 3 Jesse outline that eventually became Ghost Princess.
>A made for TV movie composing of four episodes was originally planned to air as the season finale of season 5 with the ending events of "Sky Witch" originally leading up to it. However, the film was pushed back and eventually canceled. Multiple parts and ideas from the film were later recycled throughout the series such as the beginning of the film being remade into the season 6 episode "Something Big", Orgalorg who was supposed to first appear in the film becoming the main antagonist of the season 6 finale "Hot Diggity Doom/The Comet" and the ideas for Finn traveling through the dead worlds and how they worked being reintroduced in the Distant Lands special "Together Again".
Interesting. I'm guessing the concept of travelling through the 50 dead worlds was thought up for Ghost Princess first, and then Jesse tried again with the movie.
The episode in Elementals with the flame princess has the best joke of the season. LSP having an outburst and stopping all the fighting to make a statement about not fighting, and fire-Finn responds with "kill her".
Not even a good joke, but when everything's shit you start to appreciate gravel.
So he doesn't even know what he's talking about. He's incredibly autistic and he never had any doubts about his assertions. Yeah he's moronic.
But at least he knows how to reply to posts
Sniff.
It's been a decade and sniff is still a massive bruh moment.
PB just had to be gay af. She's as gay as Marcie just not singing about it.
I hated this moment
>both have fought far worse foes, including surviving Glob abominations
>random ass dragon shows up
>”well, guess we die together!”
Frick off Marceline, go super vampire and whoop his ass
I thought it was funny. But you have a point. Unless it's too hot to touch Marceline would have a good chance.
They really upped their queerbaiting game in the last season.
She totally stole PB's sweater.
PB just likes giving people the "like like" sweaters, it's a way of manipulating them.
>Steals PBs sweater
>"Now you aren't kissing me, you're kissing PB."
And they call PB the manupilator
Nice stroke.
Worst AT villain and why is it Gumbald?
Introduced too late and killed too early?
Because he never was the epiphany type.
He was a great villain. What's your problem now?
He was never that great to begin with as a villain.
He was bad because I was actually rooting for him.
the candy kingdom was his idea.
No, his idea was like an evil version of it and also not even a kingdom.
Gumbald.
He has the right to be mad at his creator/niece.
No he absolutely does not. He was pure evil, and he turned himself into a candy person by trying to turn her(and succeeding in turning his other two family members). And the only reason he's mad is because he's jealous, because pb took excellent care of him and he was so happy as a punch bowl.
He had almost no time to marinate as the final boss of the main series. He shows up, tells sympathetic backstory, has some shenanigans, then evil army of almost all the series villains with a reality destroying threat in the background.
probably because he wasn't supposed to be the final boss.
That's news to me. Who was supposed to be the final villain then? Fallen hero incel Finn?
>Before the conclusion of Adventure Time's original final season, an alternate four-part finale had been planned to be the Season 9 (later placed over to season 10) finale. Little is known about the plot of the episode, but it would have involved mole people in some way, and be a direct follow-up to an alternate draft of "Gumbaldia", which was rewritten after the series finished production. Setup for the Mole people was seen in the episode, "The First Investigation", as Jake encountered one.
>Before the restructuring of seasons following Adventure Time's cancellation, there was originally planned to be an additional season before the show came to an end, following the then-ninth season, now split into what we have is a Season 10. In the season, there would have been episodes focusing on Susan Strong, Minerva, Gumbald, and Sweet P. There was also reportedly going to be multiple miniseries in the backend of the season. These never made it to fruition and very little about them is known as of 2023.
Considering how BMO and Obsidian were originally meant to be miniseries before being revised and repurposed as Distant Lands specials, it's possible the series would have ended with a version of Together Again.
The series would've ended with GOLB still, most likely. I find it highly unlikely they would've closed the series with Finn and Jake dead.
GOLB duh. Whole final season(the real one) was "cancelled" so Muto and the team had to shove him into the gumwar plotline. BMO special and Obsidian were based on reused ideas from that last season.
>evil army of almost all the series villainsI sure did love that they didn't do anything.
Boy, that sure was fun.
Literally the only time Marceline and Lich appeared onscreen together in the same episode
Ew, black woman, nope bye.
You can't prove it. Her skin only looks a little dark. But Marceline is clearly not black, I mean come on. And her mom doesn't even look like it aside from skin tone. Also we don't even know for sure if her mom is human. Like there's a good chance of it but we don't know.
Enjoying your copium?
lmao that's not proof dumbass.
If you sincerely don't believe that Marceline is genetically half-black you're actually moronic and I can't help you.
But she's not. Like what are you talking about anon? Have you even watched the show?
Missed opportunity to have her instead of butch PB in vamp world.
Punished Bubblegum had to be there to show off how much of a badass girlboss she is. And for some tragic bubbline parallels.
>tragic bubbline parallels
I still ship The Star and Bonnie
Also to show that she would not allow herself to not be the dominant superpower of Ooo
b***h PB was hilarious what are you not smoking?
I think at this point it's pretty unlikely we'll ever get to, but I really wish we could have seen the full set of tarot vampires.
>Fool - flight
>Magician - ?
>High Priestess - ?
>Empress - invisibility + hypnosis
>Emperor - ?
>Hierophant - shapeshifting
>Lovers - ?
>Chariot - ?
>Strength - ?
>Hermit - ?
>Wheel of Fortune - ?
>Justice - ?
>Hanged Man - ?
>Death - ?
>Temperance - ?
>Devil - ?
>Tower - ?
>Star - Marceline
>Moon - Healing
>Sun - ?
>Judgement - ?
>World - ?
What would powers would the other seventeen Major Arcana have?
>World
>vampire
Hmm it’s truly a mystery what power a vampire who represents the World would have
>World - ?
Vampire Finn with all his latent powers unlocked
I think Vamp Finn should be The Sun, it represents freedom and fun, also represents how he's the natural enemy of other vampires and evil beings
>I think Vamp Finn should be The Sun, it represents freedom and fun, also represents how he's the natural enemy of other vampires and evil beings
That sounds rad
>Lovers - ?
My first thought was what if Star turned PB.
Can you even turn a piece of gum into a vampire? PB seems kinda immortal already.
Good question, I assume it would work because PB can go zombie like in that one ep.
She would look good in something the same style as Star's outfits too.
>Good question, I assume it would work because PB can go zombie like in that one ep.
I always assumed that was because she specifically made the zombie potion to work on candy. I guess she could inject something into Marceline that allows her to turn candy people into vampires.
Knowing the scientific shenanigans PB is capable of it's probably possible.
Far from enough, that's all I found so far.
>Lover is angsty Vamp World Bonnie turned after the fall
I like it
How much art of this version of Bubbline is there?
wouldn't the Vamp King be the Emperor?
He seems to be mashup of several Major Arcana
>The Vampire King is the only vampire not directly named after a Tarot card, though his name is analogous to The Emperor, while his slightly more monstrous design and desire to escape the chains of fate and the endless cycle of fighting, death and rebirth that comes from being a vampire evokes The Devil card. His grandiose speech also name drops Wheel of Fortune and The Chariot. His true form as a lion may also evoke The Strength card (which is typically depicted as a woman and a lion) not to mention as the king he is the strongest of the vampires.
Maybe he's all 22 normally, but when he vamps someone he can transfer a single Arcana to that person.
What if he has a full Tarot deck of names to hand out?
You get turned and you're the butthole who gets stuck as Two of Coins
>I can not believe this was almost a decade ago
If you believe it
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I seriously believe the writers made Fern because it got too boring to just make one Finn miserable.
I just want more Marcy and PB
Same.
They kinda made marceline to be a bit of a chump in this one. She only got the vampires either by complete luck or because other people got them for her. Apparently being half demon doesnt mean much in terms of actual competence.
>Apparently being half demon doesnt mean much in terms of actual competence.
Considering the state of the Nightosphere and what the demons there are generally like, this is probably true
The nightosphere is a realm of pure chaos so it sort of makes sense for it to be chaotic but Marceline is supposed to be the daughter of a pretty important demon. Its just kinda strange we know little to nothing about Hunson. It seems like the writers are intent in making him look like some homeless weirdo rather than actually show us what is his place in the whole power hierarchy of the show. Because it does seem like he rules over some sort of hell and yet he has little feats and even got roughed up by some random ghost, even if he was shackled at the time that was a bit embarrasing.
Reminder that Marcy and Finn's relationship was established as purely platonic with her explicitly having zero romantic interest in him in Go With Me which is like her fourth appearance
It's good that they made it clear from the start.
So does Marcy feel cold to the touch because she's undead?
Was what happened with Marceline and Bubblegum in the future mentioned in F&C?
Gay stuff I assume. Though the tattoos didn't stick.
Enough about Finn's female friends, he needed MALE friends of his own age, that was the real problem, Finn never got any recurring unrelated friends or rivals that were around his age, he only really had older ones like Jake, or younger ones like BMO.
Very true, some boys his age to rough house with would do him some good.
Well there was Tiffany and Fern
I don't think Tiffany was his age and they were definitely not friends. Finn's relationship with Fern was mega complicated but I don't think you could ever really call them friends exactly.
Tiffany could've worked, but he had very few appearances in the show, and Fern also could've worked, but he wasn't meant to last.
Would have been nice if the writers didnt waste of all Jake's kids for a stupid gag and then forget about the for several seasons. Finn should have been able to go on adventures with some of them.
Yeah, and also so he could get some gay shipping.
I tried thinking of examples but I came to a complete blank. There was just Fern who was on his wavelength, and he turned evil and died. I wonder how isolating that really was for Finn, and if it puts his actions and interactions in a different light.
Wonder if PB tastes like normal pre war bubblegum? Well only Marceline would know.
bubblegum has no expiration date, so probably.
Neat. PB being so sturdy probably has to do with being made of gum too. That stuff is basically plastic.
Also the Tree Witch.
She tasted her bubblegum hair.
Great point. She probably shouldn't have chewed mystery gum though.
Finnceline shippers just reek of projection.
Like, I get that you liked Marcy and there's a bunch of fanart and fanfics about the ship,, but the show never even really implied anything between Finn and her, if anything, it went out of its way to sink that ship as soon as possible.
The only way they can fantasize about Marceline is by self inserting themselves as Finn. It is quite sad honestly.
Just self-insert as PB, easy.
Exactly.
he should find an evil villain rival woman and get a batman/catgirl dynamic going. it really seemed like the writers hated finn toward the end of the series, and even in fionna and cake they seemingly went out of their way to make him look like a clueless, unfeeling meathead when the show proved he was so much more than that
Writers are obssesed with writing conflicted characters who constantly second guess themselves and are going through some sort of fricked up emotional turmoil. Finn and Fionna kinda represent the opposite, the headstrong young hero who doesnt reall question much outside of quick reflective moments here and there. Probably why they sidelined Fionna in her own show and concentrated most of their efforts on the Simon drama.
>Probably why they sidelined Fionna in her own show and concentrated most of their efforts on the Simon drama.
Which was a good decision because people were mainly invested in Simon's story.
At that point just call it Simon & Betty and skip all the filler episodes that were ultimately meaningless. Would have probably made everything not feel extremely rushed.
I cannot believe we still talking about this shit show of a series. Western animation has fallen.
I can't wait for the seething to continue when the next AT project inevitably gets announced.
Yep the fun never ends.
Marcy has some issues kek.
This show should have died after 3 seasons. Its world building and plots sucked dick. The only homosexuals who enjoy this show are nostalgic Goons and yuricucks.
I can not believe that we're still talking about this show over a decade ago.
I can't believe it's not butter
this arc fricking sucked
Then how can you or anyone itt could make a better Marceline's vampire arc?
Make it a full prequel series about Marceline and Simon saving humanity from the vampires but at the cost of sacrificing their own humanity.
What if PB somehow became a vampire?
she'd form a bad habit of drinking herself grey, sorta like chewing on your fingernails.
Marceline would brood over it like an angsty teen.
How did they met?
We already saw it at the end of Obsidian
The shirt stank was so strong it increased PB's pixels
PB looks like a kid. Is Marceline a groomer?
PB is probably around 18-20 here, although how she exactly ages has been inconsistent or unclear (does she add more gum to look older or does she naturally grow? Is she naturally immortal or was that something she achieved through experimentation?). There is a 173 year age gap between Marceline and PB though.
I think she intentionally aged herself up. She must've been a kid for a while in 'bonnibel bubblegum' to have been as knowledgeable as she was. At some point she must've realised it would be better to become an adult.
They both look like they’re middle schoolers here, which is probably how they felt at the time.
I’d prefer to think that that wasn’t the very first meeting, but Marcy invited her to her show after they did. I like Sugar’s drawings with the shirt, especially since she doesn’t have the buzzed sidecuts and looks older and like more of a wistful roamer
>Marceline either serenading a lounging, entranced PB or doing a duet with her
>as a promo for What Was Missing
What the frick, Becky?
This b***h had to have been one of the original shippers
I mean, no shit. She's the person that gave us the Diamonds and the Crystal Gems.
The fact that their aesthetics and theme (wandering rocker with a soft heart x morally dubious pink rocker who’s a bit alien in human relationships) is so similar to Greg/Rose probably isn’t a coincidence
>rocker
*lady
Anyways, when you think about it bubbline is like steven’s spiritual grandparents
>Bubbline is proto Grose/ Greg Quartz
Deepest lore
>they both give the pink one a black rock shirt when they come see their concert
yeah
This arc was pretty good. And it was cool they got Rebecca Romijn and Paul Williams to be guest stars.
You think Marceline ever heard horror stories and rumors about Simon while growing up? He clearly survived the vampires so there must have been some stories floating around
We're getting old. And that's horrifying...