I cried.
Why did that innocent brother and sister have to suffer?
What was the root cause?
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I cried. Why did that innocent brother and sister have to suffer? What was the root cause?
The root cause of suffering is birth.
>What was the root cause?
Japanese pride, the movie is quite clear about this
Japanese treat their cultural autism as a force of nature that everyone puts up with and no one can do anything about.
That's sort of true.
But it's also a source of comfort for them, and it makes them Japanese.
Takahata treats this brilliantly. Pom Poko is a good watch.
Tojo bombed Pearl Harbor. U-S-A! U-S-A!
Because the USA was bombing the Japs for months beforehand.
false
so true
I guess they shouldn't have tried to conquer all of Asia, oh well!
There was a war happening anon.
He should've pummeled his aunt to death.
His stubborn, autistic "Japanese pride". All he had to do was stay with his aunt and maybe get a job to appease her, or help out around the house.
The root cause were the Japs trying to enter the white man's colonial club and subsequently getting their shit kicked in. On a micro level, the boy is to blame for not swallowing his pride and staying with his aunt. If he did he and his sister might have lived to see the turn of the century.
It gets even worse if you read the actual novel - even if he got food, he would eat all of it himself instead of sharing with his sister.
Third nuke was needed
>stubborn pride causes the innocent he was responsible for to die
could this be a metaphor for something?
y-yeah, it's a metaphor for how evil America is! BANZAI
>What was the root cause?
Believing nazi bullshit.
The brother was a delusional idiot and deserved to starve. The only tragedy is he dragged his innocent sister with him.
>Get a job.
>NOOOOOOO, we’re gonna live on the streets instead because you’re MEAN!
the dude that dies at the beginning of the movie is actually the main character
I think people look way too deep into this. It’s not about Japanese pride or specifically that. It’s just about the civilians who are affected by war, especially if they’re ib a losing battle. Especially if they’re losing as hard as Japan
No it's about Japanese autism, pride, stubbornness, indifference.
It's the little minor faults of Japanese culture.
Takahata was the most brutally honest Japanese man to ever live. He's a god.
I didn’t get that from this movie tho. Like, the biggest conflicts are the aunt kicking them out because that happens when a civilization is struggling. And they are just kids they don’t really have a say in the matter
You need to watch again or know Japan better.
Yeah, I guess. Could you elaborate your perspective?
Japan is an unforgiving, and passive aggressive society.
I call it the Mexican standoff culture. They're always looking around at everyone else for something to blame. Standing out is as bad as doing something wrong.
When you mess up, there's no forgiveness, ever.
So they keep a lot of disruptive feelings and thoughts to themselves.
There's no way to communicate disagreement.
They're terrible at communicating and resolving disagreement.
This leads to resentment when "shit gets real".
There's pride, yes, but they lack the mechanisms for apology, blame, boundary building.
It's all kept on the inside while everyone all suffers. If you're lucky, you have it better than others. Just don't let anyone see it.
The main character had a b***h aunt who was unable to apologize or be nice.
The main character couldn't apologize either. Literally, even if he swallowed his pride, by admitting flaw, he would permanently get on the shit list.
So he tried to do it on his own with his little sister in nature.
Remember he's like 13 and she's maybe 2-3. He has almost no idea what he's doing.
She just dies under his care. No one in his environment has any ability to fix it.
He steals turnips, but that would only piss off a farmer.
And American planes are shooting at Japanese for fun just cause (I met a grandma in Tohoku who remembers that shit, like duck under a bush if a plane flies by because they'll shoot you just to frick with you).
IRL the main character lived, he died in the movie. The author lived. But his sister really did die.
Add the irony of a 2-3 year old is actually innocent, completely. When everyone else was guilty.
But it's not like people didn't care. Everyone cared. They were just stuck between war and Japanese autism.
The war itself was a product of Japanese autism and American cynicism.
It was all fricked.
I’m not the person you were originally replying to, but I appreciate that you made the effort to type all that out. It was interesting to read.
>the aunt kicking them out because that happens when a civilization is struggling
She didn't kick them out, they willingly left.
Admittedly, she was very callous and indifferent towards them, but she never forced them to leave.
Apparently the "message" of the movie from the director is that the two kids died because the brother refuse to apologize to his aunt.
Personally I think that's nonsense and mostly intepret the film as Japanese morons who can't accept they've lost a war and letting their innocents suffer as the price for their arrogance.
>uhm actually the message is LE WAR IS LE BAD!!!
That's not what I said at all, read my post again. I'm criticizing Japan for being arrogant enough to continue a war they had lost and letting their innocents suffer for it.
>I'm criticizing Japan for being arrogant enough to continue a war they had lost and letting their innocents suffer for it.
ok but what is the 10 year old supposed to do about it
I dunno, something about obeying his elders Japs are stupid
>ok but what is the 10 year old supposed to do about it
die
That's what happens in a collectivist society. It gets even worse when you combine it with their pagan belief system, which reinforces said collectivism, and their insane nationalism at the time.
Let's be honest here - if the US didn't enter the war, either the Soviet Union or China would've occupied the country and ground the Nips into salami via genocide.
This. Japan isn't some utopia. Its full of bug people much like China.
I really wish people would recognize this and stop glorifying soulless bugs.
It's absolutely about stubbornness and pride because the guy who made it based it on his own stubbornness and pride getting his own little sister killed in real life in a very similar scenario.
you're right obviously anyone who read about this movie know that the author said that, however I think it's fair to say that most westerners who watched this movie never thought to blame the brother. In the end, the author is humble enough not to push a narrative and a moral upon us and instead tell a story and let people reach their own conclusions. I think in this case either the author or japanese culture in general has a tendency to look for blame inwards, even though in this scenario there is at the very least shared responsibility with many other factors that were outside the brother and the sister's grasp.
The Axis should have won. Funny how all these utter literal homosexuals screech MUH NUKES MUHFUGGA well where’d it get you utter homosexuals? Are you happy with nogger trannies and israelites running the world? Sure seems like it
>where’d it get you utter homosexuals
If we'd nuke Berlin and Moscow we would be completely fine, chink lover.
Der juden
FDR's first cabinet meaning was the New Deal. Banking holiday and discussion of the Works Progress Administration.
His second cabinet meeting, next week, 1933 February, was how to attack and dominate Japan.
Two cabinet secretaries resigned over the meeting.
FDR was fricking obsessed with Japan and wanted to bomb them since 1932.
Japan sent a clear "final" telegram to Washington 2 weeks before Pearl Harbor.
Washington sent the Hull memo which said
>if you want to avoid war
>Give up ALL your territorial and colonial possessions
>Completely demilitarize
>Submit to American hegemony in Asia
>otherwise, war will come to you
This was the context for Japan choosing to attack Pearl Harbor.
Like, breh, frick FDR.
He was proven right though. The japs were hated by the people they "liberated" too vietnamese Filipinos
Not true. Taiwan and Malaysia loved Japanese rule. Not including the british bawds in Malaysia Japan raped.
The fact that we got Truman instead of Wallace as his VP was a miracle, things are bad now but they could have been so much more fricked.
Maybe next time you’ll listen to you aunt.
>what was the root cause
israeli banking.
WWII was America's war of choice.
Japan would have been quagmired in China. The Soviets would have attacked Germany and lost but to a sort of stalemate.
Nothing else would have happened.
America wanted the war on both fronts.
America is literally the bad guy of WWII with England in second place.
I wonder just how historically illiterate do you have to be to believe that?
It's basic literacy.
You know about the war memos in Poland where FDR threatened them with losing American support if they negotiated with Hitler?
The struggle with the Rockefeller and Anglo factions over whether a war in Asia in Europe was preferred.
FDR's second cabinet meeting to destroy Japan (1933).
The turning against Nazi Germany coinciding with German autarky and the loss of American markets there.
The Chicago Tribune article Hitler cited in his declaration of war.
The Pentagon cornerstone laying September 11, 1940 over a year before Pearl Harbor.
You have to be a dumb braindead illiterate Black person to not understand that WWII was America's and the israelites' war of choice.
Right, and remember when the US invaded Czechoslovakia in 1938, and Poland in 1939? And signed a secret pact with the USSR partitioning Poland between the two?
And then the US invaded France, Belgium, Holland, Norway, Denmark. And then North Africa and Greece.
And then the US broke their treaty with the USSR, and invaded it as well.
Oh, wait...
America took advantage of the situation but they were not any way responsibile for the outbreak of WW2
Their countrymen allowed despots to climb to power.
this is the worst Shitli movie and not because its sad but because it SUCKS
Why does it suck, chudfrog?
dumb unlikeable characters
I have some sort of soundtrack of this movie where some of the characters' dialogue is included around the music itself. The little girl is so cute, knowing what happens to her in the story is heartwrenching. But then again, the voice is from some young voice actress who went on to have a happy cheerful life. No cute girl and boy actually died in appalling tragedy, right?
This happened because American bombed their mother
>all the homosexuals ITT who have never seen the movie but MUST divulge their ultra-unique opinion on WW2, the least discussed topic in modern history
Why make threads in the first place?
This IS the place to discuss tv & film, or would you rather more blacked demoralization threads?
The boy not killing and eating his aunt and her bastard children.
For me it's Jap war crimes kino.
>Jap war crimes kino.
never happened
Jap government nd its populace didn't support the lost children of war. Midwits think its about America evil but its actually a criticism of Japan.
Don't forget they later on allowed to poison their own waters with mercury to such an extent that up to this day children are born with deformities.