>I decree that at the end of the month there will be a grand parade and all of the ocean are invited, except for the mermaids.
>I hereby decree that a giant fence should be erected to keep all the mermaids out of the kraken kingdom
>Some mermaids shall be allowed into the kingdom to perform menial tasks. These mermaids shall not speak, or look at, or think about any krakens while they are within the walls of the kraken kingdom.
>If a kraken is found laying with a mermaid, then the kraken shall be held accountable and banished and the mermaid shall be liquidated
>Any spawn of the union of a mermaid and a kraken shall be found unclean. UNCLEAN!
>Trash collecting day will be every Tuesday, park your car on the right side of the street the first and third Tuesdays of each month, park your car on the left side every alternating Tuesday.
>We will move across their borders and pick our teeth with their bones. We will flush them from their homes and crush them beneath our tentacles. We will finally be free of the filthy mermaids once and for all!
What did Ruby Gillman mean by this?
What the frick are you talking about
Sounds like removing demons.
>Ruby proposes a final solution to the mermaid problem
What did Dreamworks mean by this?
BRAVO BINJO THE RACIST STORYTELLING SPIRIT
Hope that the HD bootleg would release on Kimcartoon soon. Just like My Little Pony: The Movie (2017) did.
Maybe soon, mermaids and kraken can get along in the end, once the main battle is over.
>Chelsea saved Ruby's life, offered peace, and STILL turned out to be an unrepentant villain
>She's also in this movie by herself despite being the queen
Mermaids are all evil and almost extinct
Even if they do find one who's convincingly innocent, why the frick would they trust her?
>Do everything to uplift savages and make the world a better place
>offer peace
>get fricked by the people you helped
Is Chelsea just an allegory for the white race?
Well she technically did backstab Ruby but that said between the "greatest race in the ocean", utter distrust of other races on principal no matter what and how the film reinforces this, and rather appalling self defense protocols, I guess you can say krakens are....sea israelites
I think you mean rare Deepwater israelites.
Yeah right
Can’t wait to see the prom scene with Ruby Gillman.
cute............
His movie
>Blurry hoodie guy in the background-left
Do all the humans in this movie look fricked up?
>humans
They're grubhubians
>yo what it do smurfette? y'all comin' to proms or nah?
They look like Aardman humans with none of the charm
I'm so glad mermaids ripped him apart in the post credit scene.
What did she say?
For once let her be racist in a way I can approve
That is one of the ugliest character designs I have ever had the displeasure of seeing.
Just finished watching the movie and I still can't believe they made the grandma a good guy, her speech from the beginning of the movie does not sound like the kind of one that'd come out the mouth of a good person
Really liked the shading and colors though
The movie wants to make its heart in the maternal lineage of the family reconciling but in the process they subverted something as basic and universally agreed on (well among mainstream films) as "racism bad"
> The movie wants to make its heart in the maternal lineage of the family reconciling but in the process they subverted something as basic and universally agreed on (well among mainstream films) as "racism bad"
This was what I was afraid they’ll do. Sounds worse than I expected.
>hey subverted something as basic and universally agreed on (well among mainstream films) as "racism bad"
I'm torn. I feel like this would actually be a pretty interesting concept to subvert for once. An antagonist race that are truly biologically remorseless monsters who do not care for for the lives of any opposing races in the slightest, have an alien-like view on empathy in their own species circle and just want to expand their array of knowledge and resources with no certifiable end in sight.
After several attempts at trying to make peace or be allies with them fail, the opposing species with human-tier mentality, but have a huge edge on their adversaries is now forced to have a moral debate on still trying to see them as people and not completely de-humanize (or whatever they're called) them, or just straight-up killing them on sight since the antagonistic race have made it clear they have no intention stopping their conquest and expansion and have little regards of being merciful. The main problem is, the concept was clearly done horribly here as for reasons other anons have stated.
>I'm torn. I feel like this would actually be a pretty interesting concept to subvert for once. An antagonist race that are truly biologically remorseless monsters who do not care for for the lives of any opposing races in the slightest, have an alien-like view on empathy in their own species circle and just want to expand their array of knowledge and resources with no certifiable end in sight.
Remind me of the gems from Steven Universe and The Strangers from Dark city (1988).
What I love about these concepts is that the race have a particular way of thinking/natures and usually act like a hive mind, individuality is completely foreign for them, yet they have the ability to change beyond their original purpose once they come in contact with humanity.
https://youtu.be/eU01X_pi0mI
>”Imagine a life alien to yours. In which your memories are not your own, but are shared with every other of your kind. Imagine the torment of such an existence. No experienced to call our own. But if you were to discover something different? Something better?”
>”When a Gem is made, it's for a reason. They burst out of the ground already knowing what they're supposed to be, and then... that's what they are. Forever. But you, you're supposed to change. You're never the same even moment to moment; you're allowed and expected to invent who you are. What an incredible power, the ability to grow up”
Is such a fricking dope concept, wish it got explored more on other media.
It's a cool premise just not one for a movie aimed at kids
That is Goblins from toblin slayer. They have the capacity to be intellegent, but use it on being horrible little frick monsters, so GS kills goblin babies since he is 100% sure they will grow up into horrible frick monsters.
well, i wouldn't say that's actually racism, as there is no known paralell to that irl where a race is biologically evil. (yeah except whatever, simmer down edgelords)
so it would just be a matter of framing it in a way where 'they just like us fr' isn't part of the equation, like LOTR orcs, or robots in any superhero movie. that is an old trope, not particularly subversive of anything.
The difference here is that unlike traditional fantasy Orcs, Chelsea is shown to be an emotional intelligent being. She passes for human in social situations without difficulty. Even after dropping her act she still shows quirks, likes, dislikes... she's basically human, if a bad person. So it's not like traditional monsters under the bed where you can go "okay they're human shaped but don't worry they're savage beasts that have no real emotions." Here it's just straight up a racism allegory. "They're humanish but don't be fooled, they cannot be trusted, they're pure evil."
>irl where a race is biologically evil
I don't think you get it.
It's framed as if mermaids are biologically evil, but are they really? Does such a concept even exist? Even some of the most dangerous animals on the planet are harmless if they are not hungry.
BUT we DO know from reallife, that some people have called other races "biologically evil". That is the parallel you missed
>Does such a concept even exist?
in fiction, why wouldn't it?
The point is that the grandma is a direct, while unintentional, parallel to actual reallife racist people. What she says is word for word what actual racist say, except replace "mermaid" with "[minority group/foreigners here]"
>they subverted something as basic and universally agreed on (well among mainstream films) as "racism bad"
BASED BASED BASED BASED
RUBY IS TRULY /OURGIRL/
She fricks this ugly mofo lol
Buck breaking makes it even better
Ruby doesn't have a penis and there's consent
>We subverted expectations by subverting our subversion after doubling down on the initial subversion!
Chelsea looked like these well-meaning, yet snobby friend in similar vein to Charlotte from princess and the frog.
She sound like a teenager and even showed compassion towards Ruby in instances where no one was looking, so there was no reason for her to act like that.
They have an interesting character and perfectly good plot right there, she could have acted as a foil to Ruby, who feels like she doesn’t fit anywhere and just wants to be free/fit in.
Chelsea could have been the perfect foil for her, in the surface she seems like she got everything and her life was perfect, except she is universally hated and ostracized in the sea.
They could have made her manipulative, interesting and sympathetic all at the same time, those aren’t mutually exclusive from each other.
There’s an interesting conflict in how overpowered the Krakens are and how weak the mermaids seem in comparison, they could have played with this generational conflict using Ruby and Chelsea and how they could mend those prejudices.
Is super weird how the movie proves right the black and white morality and unintentionally racist views of Ruby’s grandmother.
That’s the worst possible outcome for the movie, they had all the right elements right there and somehow they still butchered it up by tether to “subvert” it.
But by doing that, they made it predictable and created a terrible morally dissonance.
Like others have said, is the equivalent of:
All Dragon being evil in HTTYD despite Hiccup and toothless bonding over the course of the movie.
If Kronk was the real villain in Emperor’s new Groove.
If Shrek, Bruno and Perrito were evil all along.
by trying to be “subversive” and trying to give the middle finger to Disney they ruined the perfectly good plot they had right in front of them.
But hey Anon, at least we still got what critics are calling the result of Turning Red if it was written by ChatGPT
>hey could have made her manipulative, interesting and sympathetic all at the same time, those aren’t mutually exclusive from each other.
Basically Sasha from Amphibia (aka the best character on that show).
Was pre-twist to post-twist Chelsea handled a lot more smoothly than Cinemaphile imagined or was it as jarringly bad to the point where it felt like an entirely different character and left you wishing the twist never happened or that first trailer was a red herring?
Ruby and Chelsea friendship was so rushed that I don't really know. Like the first scene where she reveal herself as a mermaid and save Ruby from the captain as a payback from stealing her spotlight was genuinely great but afterward they just get into a quick friendship montage and Ruby trust Chelsea 100% despite the fact that only a few minutes ago her grandma called mermaids piece of shits that shouldn't be trusted which makes no sense because Ruby only had beef with her mother; not her grandma. She should've been a little more skeptical before becoming friends with Chelsea. Afterward they just spend their time trying to get the trident and once she gets it she just become a bad guy and that's it. Not really jarring because there just wasn't that much to it to begin with
She gets pissed at her daughter for not killing what arguably could've been the last mermaid on top of calling her "human" for it which makes it even worse
Grandma gave no shits
This movie sounds like a mess
It really is a mess lol, the beginning of the movie where it's just about Ruby and her family were the strongest parts, the double subversion twist fricking sucked because it really wasn't a movie that was made for it. The final battle is insanely underwhelming, shit looked like 2 kids fighting for a controller lmao
>It really is a mess lol, the beginning of the movie where it's just about Ruby and her family were the strongest parts
>The best part was when the film was about what it was originally intended to be before action was shoehorned in and the family sans the women are pushed aside to the point of not even appearing in trailers
GEE
WHAT
A
FRICKING
SURPRISE
would it have been better if Chelsea wasn't evil and her sob story backstory was played straight?
Yes, but by that point anything would've been better than what we got. I've seen better alternate stories in these threads than the one we've got. Frick, I'm fairly certain the movie could've been fixed (or at least partially) if they changed some of the dialogues. Not even changing the animation, just the dialogue. Could've made Chelsea a bad guy that was driven by her sob story instead of a bad guy that's just bad.... because. Even during the final battle Ruby say something along the line of "You can stop fighting, it doesn't have to be like this" which wouldn't make it come out of left field. I don't mind stories where the bad guy is just bad, in fact these stories tend to have some of the funniest villains but it does not work for Chelsea. She is not credible as a bad guy. Where the frick are her lackeys? Her army? Her power? Mermaids in this setting fricking suck at fighting which is why they needed the trident to begin with, so when the Kraken family beat her ass it's not impressive at all because she was already established as weak to begin with.
Probably to avert pic related since it'd make the grandmother a genuinely bad person rather than someone who "appears" to be a bad person
Makes more sense when you factor in the distinct possibility this whole draft of Meet the Gillmans is a self-indulgent fantasy for writers who never stopped seething over the popular kids from high school.
> this whole draft of Meet the Gillmans is a self-indulgent fantasy for writers who never stopped seething over the popular kids from high school.
is this one true or just a meme? pathetic if real
>mfw this is 100% canon
We don't know either way, probably never will know, but it would explain a lot.
>is this one true or just a meme? pathetic if real
Not him
All we know is this
A. The film was originally just gonna be about a family of krakens living among humans and trying to blend in, Ruby simply had the most focus
B. Chelsea likely was there from the start judging by the concept art leak, mermaid and all.
My personal hunch is that the original draft had her be an active alpha b***h bully who just so happened to be a mermaid but during rewrites where it became more about the Kraken vs Mermaid race war they wanted to keep her as the villain but during said rewrites they toned down the alpha b***h tendencies to the point where she's now a Hans tier twist villain and didn't notice they just made a film where a racist grandma is proven right
i quite like bell-bottoms
oh, that makes more sense. Man, what a clusterfrick, by that point they should've completely ditched the whole Kraken vs Mermaid war. It would've allowed them to make Chelsea a bad guy without all the horrifying implications; wouldn't make it that much better of a movie but it's a start
I also believe this could've been 100% avoided if they bothered to show other mermaids instead of just Chelsea but maybe that's because they're all fricking dead lol, after all only Chelsea had the trident so it's highly possible that all the others were easily killed
>Anons called people trashing this film dumb for theory crafting the krakens attempted a genocide
>Movie comes out, we've only gotten more evidence that yes the krakens did attempt and still support genocide
>by that point they should've completely ditched the whole Kraken vs Mermaid war
The theory goes that execs were the ones who mandated the film to be more action oriented
I'm aware, but that never forced them to make it about Krakens vs Mermaids. They could've easily made Chelsea a bad guy without it being about her being a mermaid. Could've been just like all the other sea monsters we see during grandma's dialogue; Chelsea's is just another MotW. Also they never explained why Krakens and Mermaids were in war with each other, would've been interesting to know how it all started
>would've been interesting to know how it all started
Around fin-backs Anon
Around fin-backs
i mean yeah but they could've gone for something funny 🙁
>the cause of a war and genocide was done because of a gag
I'm not sure that makes things better
True but do you have a better idea? Final movie is just bland
>how it all started
Lebensraum. The finbacks had it. It's all in Mein Grandf.
What other sea monsters do krakens persecute?
Can't remember the names and I can't find a clip either but they were mentioned just before they showed the caricatures of the mermaids
they don't get mentioned either after that so you can assume that the krakens actually got rid of them before they moved on to killing mermaids lol
Up next are the surface dwellers
Whales are next in the Kkkraken agenda.
Ruby saved a whale when she was little and we even get to see it twice in the movie so no they're off the radar
Everything else? Prime material for genocide
They sound like Aquaman villains
>"Ruby, you'll never guess who showed up to help me plan a final solution to the Atlantean question! A human! Must be one of the good ones."
>[non-diegetic music abruptly stops as the camera moves over to show Black Manta]
>[heavy breathing that's barely audible through the water and his suit]
>Grandma tells Ruby whales are bad
>Ruby points out she saved one as a kid
>Either grandma immediately finds and kills it or the whale really was a satanspawn the entire time
>"Thank you!"
>"Goodbye..."
Truly demonic…
>just bad.... because
Around fin-backs never relax
That's not true Anon, Chelsea has one power
It's the most powerful power ever used by a DreamWorks villain
It's called race guilt
>Twist villain is a much more interesting, deeper, compelling character with potential BEFORE the twist turning them into a 1D antagonist
Has that frick-up ever been done before?
I normally enjoy shipper tears but frick it let them tear this movie apart
The movie probably would've been better if Ruby and Chelsea really were gay fish
villain is a much more interesting, deeper, compelling character with potential BEFORE the twist turning them into a 1D antagonist
>Has that frick-up ever been done before?
Was he really that interesting and had potential had he stayed good?
He was pretty vanilla all things considered even if the villain reveal was lame
nta but even if he wasn't that interesting, they could've gone more into his relationship with his siblings as a contrast to Anna's relationship with Elsa. Them both being distant with their families (but for different reasons) was a nice potential connection.
Better than the random nice guy who lived with the stupid rock trolls.
Pre-twist:
>Was polite to Anna before even knowing she was a princess and has genuinely nice chemistry with her, plus his backstory sort of mirrors hers
>Casually drops that he's been emotionally abused by his siblings, not even realizing how messed up it sounds, implying that it's a normal occurrence in his household while shrouding him in the mystery of a dark past (which was left unexplored)
>His proposal doesn't make him look manipulative because it's normal for royalty in that time period to marry total strangers and he and Anna actually like each other, what it makes him look like is naive and desperate to escape a bad home situation
>Took care of the kingdom during a time of crisis even though he's a foreigner and it's literally not his responsibility
>Is assertive and decisive when necessary without coming across as a jerk, like when he puts the Duke in his place, and doesn't take the opportunity to lord over people with his given authority
>He's a leader who actually places himself on the front line and doesn't allow the chain of command to fall apart in the face of panic, and is courageous and puts his life on the line to recover a stranger and restore her land, literally almost dying in the process
>Is good at psychologically reading people and providing for their needs, like when he talked Elsa down and resolved the confrontation without violence
>A potentially tragic origin while striking a decent balance between being virtuous and having a personality without defaulting to being a cynical prick who needs to be fixed by the creator's self-insert princess
Hans is surprisingly nuanced before the awful shock-value scene and unironically came so close to being one of the most dimensional Disney prince characters, up there with the Beast, so of course the screenwriters had to go and totally screw that up. He had so much going for him and they utterly wasted his potential. But others are free to disagree.
Exactly.
Huh, you've actually got me thinking about it
Take the Hans pill, anon.
>I would argue that Hans is a minor character.
No one's said otherwise. The anon I responded to only spoke in the context of a character who becomes one-dimensional after a twist-villain reveal. I'm not sure comparing all this to Elsa is entirely accurate because she exhibited more villainous (or at least negative) traits before the Hans 180. I think she could've made for a tragic villain or antagonist (same with Hans if they had put in the effort), but the Frozen writers didn't seem to want to totally commit one way or the other, which is part of why the story's such a mess, especially in terms of characterization.
I would argue that Hans is a minor character. Chelsea is practically the co-star. This is "what if Toothless and all the other dragons turned out to be evil." Surprising but just not the most enjoyable thing to do after a lot of friendship buildup. Or evil Elsa for that matter. Okay, surprising, but still not the most satisfying end.
I don't understand the ship, its made clear that they are polar opposites, and have absolutely no chemistry whatsoever.
The fanart porn is good enough.
The competition is Connor
Haven't you ever heard the saying, "opposites attract"?
That’s a myth, you hang around people that are similar to you as you have things to bond over. The mermaid was shown to be narcissistic in the trailer.
Pre-twist Chelsea is a lot nicer than she is in the film
Still vain and hogs the spotlight but came across as a convincingly good person with the implication that such a personality is really masking her personal problems
And then they threw it all away
*a lot nicer in the film than she was implied to be in the trailer
Whichever girl you seethed at in high school, I am relieved you were too chickenshit to go through with raping her.
I don't find company in people who are similar to me
I find company in those who like to have me around and vice-versa similarities or not
They have more chemistry than she does with Connor
Ruby spends more time and heart to heart conversations with the twist villain than her actual human friends who don't do shit
Also people like popular girl/unpopular girl
Can't wait for the "Ruby Gillman but its just Grandmamah being racist" video
100% unintentional but it's like one of the morals of the story is that
>If your grandma talks about certain people in a negative light, she's perfectly right
>Doesn't matter if they want to be your friend, make peace between your races, or even flat out saved your life, they're still evil because grandma said so
>If you disobey that and do give them trust, they will betray you because again grandma was right
This is the polar opposite of what Shrek and HTTYD preached
>This is the polar opposite of what Shrek and HTTYD preached
Oh no, it's quite in keeping with Shrek and HTTYD. Fair is foul and foul is fair. "Beautiful people need to be destroyed," said President Nega-Reagan.
>HTTYD
Shrek, I can understand where you're getting at but HTTYD?
>Afterward they just spend their time trying to get the trident and once she gets it she just become a bad guy and that's it.
So, she was straight up a bad guy manipulating the heroine without any motivations behind it?
She wanted her stuff back and wanted revenge
Not to avenge her mom but because she's the mermaid queen in actuality because why the frick not
The End
Her motivation was just to get back at the Kraken (most notably Ruby's mother) and fricking shit up on land I guess
Wait, is she actually somehow more racist than people assumed/joked about?
Camrip when
>Anti-globalism in 2023
I will now watch your movie
>He didn't know that Sam Raimi was an uncredited writer
the love interest is an ugly black guy
I will no longer watch your movie.
it could've been great...
>The most rational explanation of the kraken vs mermaid war shit is an executive way to stick it to Disney with their Little Mermaid remake
>The result is a film with very unfortunate implications
>For a film whose fanbase are yuri shippers who lets be honest would've shipped the two anyways even if Chelsea was evil only to be double subverted
>This is made worse by nuking the ship by making Chelsea an adult
>All this when DreamWorks could've easily one upped Disney by having an animated queer lead couple people would actually like
this movie is a fountain of wasted potential.
I mean you can iron out any bad non-sequel DreamWorks film with enough thinking
It's just that this one was the easiest one to pull it off with
Indeed. When it's a perfect opportunity for lesbians they don't use it.
🙁
Gays are so desperate to have "representation" in media that they never actually put any effort in the characters they're trying to push for. I just want them to put their pride aside and go to a fricking writing class.
>wish I got a new animated movie with a cute heterosexual female protagonist, a hot female villain played straight, and no generational trauma bullshit
>and no generational trauma bullshit
don't you know? lmao
>he doesn't know how foolish it is to question the necessity of claiming lebensraum for your superior race
It's a repost before the official premiere today
It’s okay if the mermaids have generational background trauma no one cares since they’re evil.
In other words,
>Hear that, Veronica?! I'm GLAD you got molested by your uncle for years, you fricking c**t!
This but unironically
t. Grandma
That's what Veronica deserves for going out with Chad and blocking me on all her social media.
I just saw the movie and I loved it
Sounds like you guys are talking about a totally different movie
What did you love about it?
I loved how cute Ruby was, I loved how it dealt with her being different, I loved her family, I loved how her mom realized she was wrong despite trying her best, I loved how the grandma realizes she was wrong despite trying her best. I feel the character development was solid and the mermaid being the villain was cool and slimy as a villain should be. The boyfriend, while shallow, serves a purpose and she makes Ruby happy so I'm happy for her.
And the setting I loved because I love seaside stuff
>villain was cool and slimy as a villain should be.
She's Hans tier Anon
So?
Nope
Jokes on you, I use doordash
They didn't kill her and frankly I'd love to see a sequel or an animated series explore more mermaids
What did you have in mind for the boyfriend to do?
>So?
Hans fricking sucked
And?
I still don't think Chelsea was a bad villain
>They didn't kill her
The grandma still advocates for her execution
>sequel or animated series
That doesn't erase how she was right about her prejudices
Ruby was punished by the plot for defying her grandma's prejudice instructions
But they didn't kill her even tho the grandma wanted to, they did not kill her.
I don't know how the grandma wanted to, they didn't because her family did not want her to and she understands that her family needs are more important because she cares about her family :y
Well then okay, all mermaids are evil, fine. Doesn't change the fact that Ruby made a mistake and learned from it, which is a character arc thing to do, you know?
Question is why didn't they kill her? Makes me want to see a sequel or series that dives into Chelsea's backstory and we get to see the mermaid kingdom or something.
I don't care how right the grandma is, I want to see more of the sea world the krakens and mermaids have because I am invested
Grandma didn't realise she was wrong for killing the mermaids but because she tried to force a future for her daughter that she didn't want to commit to; which is paralleled with Ruby and her mother
She does not give a shit about mermaids at all
>This is just Turning Red and Elemental but with krakens and an even shittier plot
The entire third act of the film could've been avoided if Ruby was as racist as her grandma and refused to give Chelsea a chance on principle
>boyfriend to do?
Actually earn the girl
He's no better than Lisa's love interest in The Simpsons Movie
You wanted a scene of her and him meeting and bonding?
That's fair, the movie had a very fast pace
And yeah the third act could've been avoided if Ruby didn't trust Chelsea, but she did, because we have character development and plot development and drama. That's why we watch movies, for drama and plot and stuff. Let characters be flawed and then learn from them. What does she learn from trusting Chelsea? Don't trust fake people
>Don't trust fake people
homie she saved her life what more did Ruby need from her?
Don't take over the world and kill her family afterward?
Just a thought
That happened AFTER Ruby trusted her
Yeah??
Does it matter if she does it after?
Cause you shouldn't kill your friends' families after you gain their trust because killing people is bad?
>Gee Chelsea seems like a genuinely nice girl who saved my life
>But I'm not gonna trust her anyways because Grandma told me about finbacks
>Cue credits
>The End
That's essentially what
wanted
So I get why she trusted Chelsea, she had nobody else to connect with from the sea and then Chelsea abused that trust because she is the villain
How the frick is that Ruby's fault?
What is she supposed to learn?
To not trust people at all because they can in-theory betray that trust?
If there was a genuine innocent, good-hearted mermaid who defied grandma's belief that mermaids are all evil and should be killed, is Ruby just expected to not trust her on principle to avoid another Chelsea situation?
To not trust people like Chelsea who abused her trust and instead keep people who care about you closer like her friends that she was ignoring the whole film.
Also if Chelsea was good then maybe would've gotten a kaiju fight with Ruby, Chelsea and the mom vs. the grandma.
What's stopping her friends from theoretically backstabbing her?
They're not finbacks.
Yeah but the bf is black so......I'd say it balances out
I don't know
Do they have motivation to backstab her?
Why WOULD they backstab her?
Because the moral of the story is to not trust fake people, as in, everyone? You think me saying that means that Ruby should not trust anyone ever?
I think you're looking too deep into that moral, man
And I mean she made a mistake, Chelsea is still the bad guy here for abusing her trust, I'm not saying Ruby should be punished for trusting a bad person.
>Ruby should be punished for trusting a bad person.
That's how the narrative works
You side along with someone who clearly is a bad person and you get punished for it
It's storytelling 101
It's the standard "Don't talk to strangers" moral that's given to kids
Someone who's as seemingly nice and genuinely saved your life is someone you give a chance not shut down completely
Okay
So
What punishment should Ruby go through?
I think getting burred by rocks is a good punishment but what did you have in mind?
Except Chelsea wasn't obviously evil until she got a hold of the trident
Without the trailer spoling the twist or buying into Grandma's kool-aid, you're not going to assume Chelsea is on the same level as say the Mayor from Rango who screams evil and suspicious from the first scene
Protagonists make mistakes and do bad things and learn from them
You don't have the big frick up your protagonist make be boiled down to "not being a racist"
Chelsea was like Gaston
Even without the trailer I feel you would've thought she was a villain because of how much vanity she has
Belle hated Gaston the minute he shows up
Gaston was an active antagonist who also served as a legit threat without a macguffin in the third act
Even before he led the angry mob the dude tried to get Belle's father locked up
Lottie from Princess and the Frog is vain but she's still a fundamentally good person
The vain popular girl must be a heartless b***h is a dying trope for a reason the same way the butthole jock bully is tired out
Do they have to be obviously the villain at the start? Wouldn't that be spoonfeeding information that you could've assumed from the start if you know people who are brats? She was clearly shown to not be that great of a girl by shutting up the boy
>She was clearly shown to not be that great of a girl by shutting up the boy
Again, the movie at first subverts this by trying to paint her as a nice person deep down inside who's really more lonely if anything else (before fricking that up)
The "alpha girl is actually sweet once you get to know her" trope has been done plenty of times in recent years and it's a welcomed change from "pretty popular girl bad" which comes across as petty seething
It's a double subversion
>Introduce popular girl
>She's a mermaid but she's also proven herself to be a good person for saving the protagonists life
>This creates a subversion playing against both the popular girl archetype and what the grandma said about mermaids
>Following scene gives her more depth, the subversion is furthered
>Then she's revealed to be pure evil and the subversion just gets subverted as a result
That doesn't make the scenario any less shit. Especially if she doesn't try to take over the world or something after becoming evil.
Oh no I hated it
Frick double subversions
That sounds really fricking stupid
It is
It's what you'd get if Toothless was a twist villain in HTTYD
>It is. It's what you'd get if Toothless was a twist villain in HTTYD
Precisely, imagine if they did the same in HTTYD would completely ruin the movie.
Or as if Shrek, he was revealed to be evil all along.
Double subversions are always stupid.
Isn’t the plot of the movie literally what we saw in little mermaid 2? Is not even original and pretty idiotic on top of that.
>Double subversions are always stupid.
I never even thought about double subversion until this film
I can't name another example of this happening and probably for a good reason
When something is subverted, at its best is for the character to learn
When something is double subverted what the frick even becomes the moral of the story?
If Wreck it Ralph was double subverted, would Ralph or Felix Jr. be a villain the whole time?
felix jr
i was pleasantly surprised when i watched that movie that felix was just a nice guy and his only real crime was being oblivious. a dumber movie would have made him the villain and the ending that ralph got his job
I remember a deleted scene showing they did consider him as a villain at some point back when the plot was A LOT more different from what we got
But yeah, Felix Jr. being a good boy made the film a better experience
A plus and a minus don't make another plus
I hate it as well Anon
I hate it as well
i'm so tired of subversions
sometimes they can be fun but if you do them just for the sake of them it ironically becomes predictable
at this point it would be a subversion for a movie to actually play something straight
The subversion was good
The double subversion though was where it fell apart and now here we are joking about the grandma being a genocidal maniac
>Barnacles! What could be worse than a giant subversion
>Oh I know! Two giant subversions
>We subverted expectations by subverting our subversion after doubling down on the initial subversion!
I'm going to subvert Dreamworks' expectations by not buying a ticket.
>to not trust people like Chelsea who abused her trust and instead keep people who care about you closer like her friends that she was ignoring the whole film.
But how the frick would Ruby know that Chelsea truly was a bad guy until the moment where she gets the trident which is where it ultimately matter? By that point it was too late to do anything about it (at least for Ruby alone) Nothing stop her others friends from backstabbing her either
She wouldn't have
That's why she trusted her at first and did not know. We all go through fake people in our lives. Maybe the moral isn't don't trust fake people, but rather be aware that there are going to be fake people in your life but that shouldn't mean you shouldn't talk to nobody ever.
But why would her friends backstab her?
Why is that the point you bring up when I talk about how Chelsea backstabbed her?
>Why is that the point you bring up when I talk about how Chelsea backstabbed her
Because you made the point that you shouldn't trust fake people; which is something that you cannot predict. Ruby couldn't have predicted Chelsea being a bad guy so why would she be able to predict that her friends aren't fake too? The movie is shit because it created no distinction between the two scenario. Maybe if Chelsea already showed that she was a b***h from the get go or did scummy shit here and there it would've worked but for the entire movie before she gets the trident she's shown as compassionate and actually saves Ruby's life. You could say that maybe when she stole Ruby's fame for saving her crush matter but she immediately apologize for it in her next appearance and does absolutely nothing that could hint at her being evil. If that was the point then it was executed like shit; which is why I don't believe that it was what they were trying to get at. The whole mother/daughter conflict makes more sense.
>To not trust people at all because they can in-theory betray that trust?
This is the issue, there's a disconnection between the movie's message, and grandmama's ideals, and the movie doesn't disprove grandma's point, quite the opposite, it inforces her racist ideals by making Chelsea the embodiment of her racist beliefs, and no matter how the moral this movie pretents to be acceptance, the fact grandma was right invalidates it.
Damn
I don't even think it was racist but that is an interesting point. Again, I just hope to see a sequel or animated series that dives into the future of Chelsea and Ruby's relationship
That'd be fun and dandy
Could give shippers more ammo if the bf moved away considering yurigays make up the majority of this film's limited fanbase
Oh wait, Chelsea's an adult
>considering yurigays make up the majority of this film's limited fanbase
Man, I keep forgetting that Cinemaphile is full of terminally-online morons.
The majority of people who give a frick about this turd are dumbass children, just like every other animated movie.
i mean, they must still make the movie look appealing enough for those children's parents, kids don't usually go alone to the theater.
Don't be stupid, do you think my parents took me to watch YGO and Pokemon movies because they liked it?
It's less than they like it and more than they see value at taking you to watch those movies.
>Ruby's mom should've accepted Grandma's demand that mermaids all need to die
>Ruby should've accepted Grandma is right no matter what
>The former removes Chelsea altogether and the latter has the protagonist punished for not buying into grandma's narrative
If Ruby didn't trust Chelsea the friend veil would have eventually fell or she would have given up and tried to find another way to get revenge.
A simple gunshot to the face would have sufficed
>A simple gunshot to the face would have sufficed
Some of you guys are alright, don't go to Oceanside High tomorrow
>What did you have in mind for the boyfriend to do?
To build up actual chemistry between characters. He feels like bruteforced in the story just for the sake of a love interest. He doesn't feel organic atvall, just a plot device with no much interesting aspects for the audience to care of. There's good reasons people keep gravitating around Chelsea even after we all learned who she really is.
Grubhub creatura hands wrote this post.
>I loved how the grandma realizes she was wrong
Was she? Like, the Mermaid was bad, and a menace to be eradicated.
>The boyfriend, while shallow, serves a purpose
Le cope. Give the relevant character an actual role, not a tropeish archetype.
Did the movie end with Ruby and Chelsea being friends? Or do the Krakens continue their reign of genocide?
This movie is aimed at the LGBTQ+ xer community.
But Anon, the main couple is heterosexual
i really liked the movie, i think the word that comes to mind is comfort food
it's very reminiscent of more conventional 2000s movies, like you can see where the plot is going from miles away but it's still fun
i'd love if they make a show for netflix or something
>i'd love if they make a show for netflix or something
Every DreamWorks film has had a show since The Croods so this probably won't be an exception unless it bombs THAT badly
What remains of this movie's fandom is probably gonna demand Chelsea or bust
A series that dives into Chelsea learning to become a better person would be neat. Kinda like a gay Vegeta
A previous thread thought up having her age be retconned to be a teenager for mermaid standards, escaping Gordon, and having nowhere to go (the town hates her and if she goes back to the ocean the Krakens would lynch her on sight) she turns to Ruby out of desperation and stays with her like a kid-friendly Roger from American Dad
That be funny kinda
Like she's this super pretty girl brat but she's always doing middle class stuff that makes her learn humility
Bring all the greentexts from the previous thread, those were kino.
I'll just link the thread
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/137942050/#137987347
Is the mermaid girl really fricking 30? What the frick?
MOTHERFRICKER
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/136229701/#136282823
Idk if people actually cares anymore but I promised I'd do a review basically spoiler free it's a 5/10 not that bad I think we just over hyped it.
So getting into spoilers no chelsea isn't the last mermaid but really might as well be, I mean the b***h is the only living one we see or meet. She does confirm the mermaids are in hiding ever since losing to the krakens who have a specific hateboner for them. Also they imply the krakens are broken as they are the only species with all the cool powers and their royal line has the whole kaiju thing it's crazy. Like mermaids are human size they stand no chance my theory that they were mostly wiped out was all but confirmed as the grandma gloats about how easily she slaughtered them because giant krakens are broken. Which is funny as they portray chelsea the queen of the mermaids as bad because she used le trident to kill kraken but it seems like only with the trident did she stand a chance in the fight.
Also yeah the grandma is hella racist she not only is racist to mermaids but all species she gloats about subjugating and defeating. It seems the only reason mermaids are on their shit list is because they seem to be the only active living enemy to fight them. Also the grandma is pretty racist and uncaring to humans as well really feels like originally she was the antagonist as she has anger problems seems to come off as spoiled and arrogant constantly talking shit about ruby's human side and friends while over hyping being a kraken. Really one of the reasons I hate how it plays out they had the keys to a good finale and flopped. it should be chelsea is the mermaid queen daughter, the grandma is a war-loving tyrant who believes in kraken supremacy it's crazy they decided hey that one race grandma talked about being evil is let's jump and imprison their queen. But yeah chelsea barely feels evil as she only went to the town to find and kill ruby's mom
I swear the moment someone has a list of all the races the krakens wiped out/subjugated someone is gonna make a Raimiposting Uncle Ben copypasta of it
I'd like to see that never seen the raimi post but yeah she literally listed like 7 races and it seems like their are more statues as well. No wonder they're the rules they kill anyone that fights them
cant believe dread sleeping god cthulu was a kraken the whole time
Never did get the grandma's name. She is the ruler of the sunken city, mercy was out of the question
Continued mostly just me b***hing but yeah it's a pretty average movie not the worst animated movie every and some of the art is nice.
yeah really they talk mad shit about mermaids but the queen only wanted to fight the krakens. she did say she wanted to rule the sea but I mean who cares. Really crazy they end everything with hugs and family stuff as if the grandma wasn't kind of on bs like the b***h is super tyrannical and into fighting. She even gloats about the kraken greatness as if they are perfect and any other sea species exist to be defeated by them and the fact we see no other sentient sea species is a little disconcerting.
Also their were good moments like the moment ruby first transforms and she's trying to avoid her mom thinking she'd be mad. then the mom basically just wants to help her calm down and isn't mad trying to help her out. It actually is a night and day with the grandma who they try to parallel her with but ruby's mom is a 10/10 to me. She literally calms ruby down by getting her to focus less on her anxiety and freakish form and think about some dumb childhood story we needed more family moments if they were gonna frick everything up anyway. Also chelsea was the best part as we all guess the other characters are ugly as hell so are ruby's friends who are nothing burgers. Good thing love interest boy is barely in it so hey good news.
Now it's time to talk about the Queen the Alpha b***h Chelsea. Really she was fun and I enjoyed her interacts with ruby the only thing that fricked it up was the heel drop of Chelsea being evil. I know it was obvious but really I blame marketing she barely came off as evil the trailers fricked it. I mean if it happened with how nice and caring she seems I'd been a bit surprised but hey we got some rubysea moments that's all we can ask for. Also the final fight was ok pretty slow though
The movie sounds off
Shark Tale is a disaster but it's an enjoyable disaster
Movies like Turbo are just bland and what potential they had to be a KFP level surprise has to be thought out of a labyrinth but this though?
What genuine moments of heart it did have (presumably stemming from its origins as Meet the Gillmans) work and prevent it from being a train wreck like Shark Tale but the parts that are so awfully overlooked by the team are distracting enough that once you notice them, you can't enjoy the film the way it was intended
This movie was THIS close to being a welcomed surprise but it was also THIS close to being a mess that's hilarious for the wrong reasons
But the final film is just bland
yeah exactly my friend literally a outside observe saw the potential and said something along these lines. Basically saying the only way to refer to Ruby in a great light is in the potential and almost fanfic territory of what you headcanon or try to take away.
I still say 5/10 as it wasn't so bad I couldn't watch but maybe that's because unlike other anons I didn't still have my overly high hopes. I still say its a travesty as it has so much potential to be a true stand-out, but is just a pretty at times mess. also god we should have just stayed in the sea .anytime you see the humans you are like jesus ew.
But yeah really Idk if enjoyable is even what I'd call it but I think it may break even as I went to a early showing at like 2 and it was fairly full I was expecting an early premiere to only have 5 or so people but about 1/3 of my theater was filled. It's as my friend says average-mid it's something that if it was on and I had no internet i'd watch but not go out of my way.
There are two sides to enjoying Ruby Gillman
Headcanon all the potential
OR
Racism/genocide jokes
The former rejects what the movie is and the latter satirizes it
With Shark Tale its awful but you can enjoy how awful the movie is on its own with an actual watch
The most fun you can get from Ruby Gillman is outside of seeing it
yeah I feel I almost gave it a 6/10 because all me and my bro did was just whisper fricked up jokes and memes whenever the grandma said something. But yeah really you got to watch it with headcanon or with the jokes and memes in mind.
I can kind of see this anon I still think it's decent and we just got a little caught up in the sauce. Also is shark tales really that bad? I haven't seen it since I was a brat just remember it being a straight to video type movie.
Lowkey basically this I'm sure in some scrapped scripts when chelsea was original a teen their was some threatening or subtle racism, but yeah grandma feels like she had to be the original antagonist maybe we can blame encanto and turning red for the changes they were like dammit we can't do generational grandma trauma a third time.
Shark Tale is hideous, has an unlikable protagonist, a flawed message, and questionable world building decisions (Black Fish History Month sign for example)
In other words, watch it friends and laugh at how awful it is
Damn I used to just like will smith as a kid maybe I do need to rewatch it.
yeah like I said even the whole time line of 15 years would fit to make ruby and Chelsea what and what in age. They keep saying 15 years I believe originally they weren't supposed to know chelsea was the mermaid queens daughter or something and then the grandma reveals the le queen had a daughter.
Chelsea is actually a good girl and the mermaid queen's daughter tries to put ruby on the right path. Ruby kills her mom and joins hands with her grand ma. But she still has a bit of regret and views chelsea as a friend so she keeps her as a pet.
>pic related
they probably won't I saw twitter users posting the final fight as if it was peak cinema, it looks nice but it's very slow because they are in water but hey at least the fight felt like it had weight but weight in a water fight means every attack feels slow and sluggish.
Yeah it's so obvious she was meant to be good, or misunderstood. Because she has constant scenes where she cares about ruby and no one is watching and she actually talks like a teen and as if she truly relates to ruby. Sadly not really evil chelsea went out in a whimper she was barely evil to me as all she wanted was to beat ruby's mom's ass. Then got jumped by the krakens
true really design wise I actually like ruby and Chelsea so much they just work well off each other. But sadly we know what we got. Also lowkey as me and my buddy talked about odds of it getting a squeal series is high seeing as all dreamwork movies even the trash ones have. Hopefully in the sequel they drop the boy and change chelsea to a teen and do a redemption arc
>Implying were getting a sequel after this bombs
That said
>We get a show
>Chelsea is confirmed to be in it
>First episode reveals Grandma did eat her and the one time Chelsea is voiced is her screaming in a simplistic flashback showing it
I'll do you better
>Show happens
>Chelsea is in it and is given a redemption arc throughout the series
>Immediately she's aged up to into a saggy old hag to reflect her age
>People said generational trauma would've worked best with this film instead of double subverting Chelsea
>There is generational trauma, it's just poorly done
dark AU where ruby is the heir to murderous bloodthirsty empire when
Doesn't need to be an AU if it's already canon
>the movie we got is the darkfic AU of Meet the Gillmans
>Grandma has Connor assassinated to instigate a new ocean war with *insert species on the genocide list*
>During the funeral none of the other krakens are mourning until Grandma presses a button that makes a neon sign say "CRY"
>Ruby doesn't notice this
LMAO
>the funeral turns into a Sportpalast speech rally a la https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH0ZDRgAY80 or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrA-SxiLN4M
>"HAIL WOOMY!" "Hail Woomy! Hail Woomy! Hail Woomy! Hail Woomy! Hail Woomy!"
Goddamn, every autist in this thread needs to spread both our repudiation and our scorn (
) to the tropers and the Tumblr/Twitter art hoes. Our memes must propagate at Dreamworks' expense.
>ruby's mom is a 10/10
Agreed. She always wanted what she thought was best for her daughter and once she sees how much miserable it made Ruby's she changes her mind and even allow Ruby to go to the prom (even if by that point she didn't care about it), like throughout the entire movie you can see how she's preoccupied with the well being of her daughter and feels remorse from hiding things from her; Compare that to grandma who just has to wait for the plot to bend over and proves her right
>Like mermaids are human size they stand no chance my theory that they were mostly wiped out was all but confirmed as the grandma gloats about how easily she slaughtered them because giant krakens are broken. Which is funny as they portray chelsea the queen of the mermaids as bad because she used le trident to kill kraken but it seems like only with the trident did she stand a chance in the fight
Must...resist.....low hanging political joke
I want to know what the low hanging fruit is, but while watching it with my bro we already made the
>Despite only making up 13% of the ocean
>Mermaids commit 50% of crime.
lol granny is a b***h but she is pretty based lowkey. I'm more mad my chelsea comes over to dinner at the gillman's green was on the money with the grandma personality. I saw a leak of the scene of ruby offering chelsea to come over and got the idea of how I expected the scene to go down.
>saw a leak of the scene of ruby offering chelsea to come over and got the idea of how I expected the scene to go down.
That was speculation from us over how the movie could've been better without the double subversion
was it? I'm talking about this
Idk if it is connect to what you're talking about but yeah I do agree the double subversion was kind of dumb especially since it added no interesting nuance.
yeah really the only one truly validated is the grandma even though ruby's mom is a good one. She literally tries so hard to be better than her mom but the movie constantly shits on her as being just as bad. Even though in reality she was right in most cases and really was just trying to help ruby. She even admits she wanted to finally be open with her but ruby had decided to go off on her own which she was right to do as her mom had lied to her for so long. Overally Ruby's mom really only had a few moments to shine but when they appear she was a peak character same with Chelsea. I wish Chelsea was the mermaid queen's daughter and then you could do a parallel on how maybe ruby's mom used to be fricked up or how killing the mermaid queen and maybe seeing a young chelsea made her realize she didn't want to be like her mom.
Ah heh nice
eh if you know you know anon Chelsea being a adult
Actually another add on bros they call her the Ancient mermaid queen but bros all the events happened 15 years ago. like they set it up as if it was a long time but it all happened 15 fricking years ago wtf. It's so obvious that originally a certain character wasn't meant to be a certain age.
>Chelsea being adult
Yeah I know
They're still gonna hate this b***h
Grandma is like the antagonist of every forbidden love plot but were supposed to like her
ikr like even if you like your grandma you'd try to keep her away from others. Also yeah she's also the usual antagonist in most modern family plots but is the only right one in this movie.
>Grandma:See ruby I told you, you can't trust a Sea Monkey
>Ruby: wow grandma you were right they do have no souls and deserve to be culled and imprisoned
>ruby's mom:................
that guy is me anon I was saying I made it and was unintentional right. That was the whole point I saw a leak of a scene of ruby offering chelsea to come to her house but then it cuts off after chelsea agrees. so then I wrote the green as a joke and I was unintentional right about the grandma's racist personality.
Oh NOW I get
My apologies
Sorry I'm just fricking baffled by this whole film
I'd only be more baffled if people outside of Cinemaphile didn't notice
Haven't checked Twitter lately, but at least this morning they were in a heavy denial.
They moved to bargaining.
They're calling it the next Mario Movie, as RT keeps getting lower and lower.
Okay so we all love pre-twist Chelsea
She nails the spoiled sweet best friend who's secrely lonely (and fricking hell she could have been a Ms. Cinemaphile contender) but was post-twist Chelsea even fun as a villain or just boring and generic evil?
boring generic evil
>No twist
>Boring generic evil
>Twist
>Boring generic twist I saw coming a mile away
>Double twist
>Boring generic twist I saw coming a mile away
It's like you ALL have the inability to like anything that came out after your childhood ended
Jack horner being an unrepentant butthole is great, wtf are you going on about?
This thread literally gave better ideas on how to handle Chelsea better as an antagonist
Even if she was still a villain, her sob story motivation is more engaging than being some old ass mermaid queen
Jack Horner, Jafar, Maleficent = fun evil
Post-twist Hans = boring evil
It's not that hard to get
see
It's execution.
Jafar, Scar, Jack Horner, Ursula... characters like that are fun as irredeemable evil characters because the hero is off doing other things and forming fun-to-watch relationships and having fun-to-watch experiences. Here much of the movie is about Chelsea and Ruby bonding, so it's not much fun watching that get "subverted" to turn Chelsea into a 2-dimensional villain.
It's also jarring thematically. "When your grandma tells you to blindly hate this group of people, you should!" is just not something that gels with the rest of the movie.
Dreamworks forced them to rewrite the script in an attempt to cash in on the superhero audience, and we got something bad as a result.
:See ruby I told you, you can't trust a Sea Monkey
>>Ruby: wow grandma you were right they do have no souls and deserve to be culled and imprisoned
>>ruby's mom:................
Can someone draw this?
maybe I will later on, really already doing a drawing for the gwenpool thread. But i want to do some ruby art before this movie dies off in a few days.
kek I was just gonna say this
jesus no I'd raid the studio and force them to bring her back.
wait did they actually do that i sat through the credits and didn't see this?
See
According to him, Chelsea didn't explicitly die on screen
She ends up caught by the crazy old fishermen
>gets to bang an old man
It's not fair.
seems he's more of a schizo who bangs his crab
that actually sounds hilarious and something a petty old matriarch would do. But she'd still be as old as ruby's mom hope they retcon her being grown didn't add a damn thing, she barely talked with ruby's mom
>Meet the Gillmans show comes out
>Chelsea convinces the Gillmans to take her in for refuge
>Awkward dinner scene, no grandma present
>Chelsea's age is retconned in that mermaids have long lives but she's still a teen for their standards
>Everyone awkwardly quietly eating
>Eventually someone tells her "It's not all bad, you have your whole life ahead of you. 15 years is what? Yesterday?"
>Chelsea responds "Yeah...yesterday"
>Everyone goes quiet again
I'm interested in this green anon, how does she convince the gillman's to take her in? But yeah I kind of love that one anons approach of having chelsea be needed in the squeal or series because maybe mermaids are scissors to another sea monsters paper. I added the concept of maybe having chelsea be kind of on the back foot in the relationship, have her be more desperate to prove herself to ruby now that ruby needs her. Almost like trixie alone with timmy chelsea hasn't been unloved or alone for so long being left in the cage now she's disheveled and broken. She tries her boss b***h attitude but ruby still kind of hates her and ignores her, but Chelsea genuinely wants to be friends
also I kind of don't get the end joke is it just like that typical awkward dinner trail-off?
>how does she convince the gillman's to take her in?
The original idea from the previous thread was that she offers assistance for MotW threats as a willing prisoner because she can't go to town since everyone hates her and she can't go into the ocean because the moment the krakens notice, she's dead
I don't think you can get any sort of satisfactory-to-us continuation of the movie we got. Too at odds with itself. Either do a Meet the Gillmans unconnected to the movie or take the piss.
I want to see a TV series that follows the movie's implications to their natural conclusion and have Ruby genocide the mermaids. Just go full-on pitch black comedy.
>genocide the mermaids
All 14-25 of them?
I never said she had to STOP there. May as well get rid of all the OTHER races that bothered granny.
Even the seagulls die.
I want to know how this would work because I do love my black comedies? Also does she at least spare chelsea
Not him
She makes her watch/force her to rat them out/used as bait
jeez that's kind of fricked but depending on the way she goes about it could be hot. Imagine that one line
In the disgusting way or sexy way? Also sounds kind of like that one anons genocidal ruby but I said she'd keep chelsea more out of shame and weakness she represents her guilt. But your's sounds even worse damn
As utterly disgusting as possible.
jeez why not the sexy way? also damn poor chelsea she's queen of nothing
noooooooooooooo it has begun, but eh we all expected this
Because the only worse blight than existing is betrayal.
I can´t take pictures on screen.
But I wanna see the meltdown.
Gets converted into a living toilet. Death would be welcome in comparison.
>Executive Producers:
>Sam Raimi
>Binjo
damn that's kind of sad but nice, guess it's kind of similar to the other anons concept of maybe the next ocean threat is super strong but is weak to mermaid songs or something which bleeds into my own concept. But yeah that'd be a fun little series Chelsea having to deal with being an opp but also trying to regain some standing.
damn now that's sad, but I guess a long lived or young person would remember trauma like that deeply.
nice anon I was the greentexter so happy you liked it enough to draw. But damn I was just about to pull out my sketch book but hey better digital and colored lol.
>damn I was just about to pull out my sketch book
do it anon, traditional art is always soulful
also it's not like this movie is going to get a lot of fanart soon
no don't you put a jinx on this series also maybe I will but I was thinking of trying to sketch my greentext of Chelsea coming to dinner with racist kraken grandma.
But I rarely do comics so hope it comes out good but I may say frick it and do something simpler
>I was thinking of trying to sketch my greentext of Chelsea coming to dinner with racist kraken grandma.
YES
do that. don't forget to have fun
yeah, working on my thumbnails now trying to focus on being loose but god i really need to get better at expressions but no tuber makes good expression practice vids.
i feel this damn those moralgays
jeez no mercy even jesus showed mercy to judas
I don't I want the ship to last forever
>pic related
>also I kind of don't get the end joke is it just like that typical awkward dinner trail-off?
Chelsea remembers the fall of her kingdom and people like it's yesterday. In her POV not much time has passed
I like how both are me lol, also I meant that the grandma said this but ruby told her not to i.e leaving chelsea in the cage I guess imprisoned. I should have finished the full line of dialogue but was focusing more on how schizo and murderous the grandma was
not the other anon but I was already drawing this so I decided to finish it lol
Fricking nice Anon
fricking hell ruby face in the last panel is gold
It's funny how this simultaneously works as a slur for mermaids and also being a literal species Grandmamah genocides as well
>I'm talking about this
Yeah, that's just Cinemaphile's fanfiction
The guy even said he "might make more"
>I wish Chelsea was the mermaid queen's daughter
No idea why they changed that; if mermaids supposedly went into hiding how would Grandma know that the queen didn't have a daughter? It's such a shit plot twist its baffling
>Ancient mermaid queen
They could easily retcon that as the formal title
You can be queen for a day and be called "ancient"
Maybe even joke that this happened after the second or third queen prior didn't want to feel old when a successor came
>want to know what the low hanging fruit is
Israeli self defense
granny sounds pretty based if she was in a different, better movie
Grandma sounds like the Fairy Godmother from Shrek 2 if she was right all along and was supposed to be seen as a good guy
Well before the whole "drug Fiona" part
All hail Ruby, future ruler of Earth!
lol I can see the grandma saying the whole more like under new management thing
OH YEAH! I forgot to mention at the end the grandma implies she's about to kill a defeated and weaken chelsea.
>Ruby: what do we do with her?
>Grandma: Hey I love a good Fish fry
Jesus the grandma is a schizo this all but confirms she killed and most likely ate every species she defeated like the frick grandma.
: Hey I love a good Fish fry
Shippers (the vast majority of this movie's pre-release fanbase) are gonna hate this b***h
Knowing that theaters will be empty for Ruby Gillman, I will go watch it as the autist I am.
Thousand Year Woomy Reich confirmed?
So...
The actual based character is Ruby's mom. Right?
yeah
she did nothing wrong, just a little bit too overprotective
Looks like she's the only reason to give barely a frick about this trainwreck.
Well at least Ruby and Chelsea are still cute
But you'd have to ignore the movie for maximum pleasure
i mean i'm already denying this movie's broken ass ideals. i'm just looking for a reason to actually watch this instead of getting second hand opinions.
How say i loved Chelesea's death. I like it when they actually kill the villains
She didn't die
Just gonna be implied as a joke after the movie ends
The scene with the emo girl being good at making sushi out of Chelsea's tail and everyone just eating it with no hesitation was hilarious
>Don't just look at it bestie
>Suck it
please
don't end the masterful art
it's a glimpse at the superior film
Tell the artist as much.
It was cute when they hold hands while running happily in the school
Lots of movies do that. Usually as space aliens.
Difference here is, they're on the same planet and the moral implications of what the opposing race would have to do to survive would be the main focus, as this potential mass genocide would be in their history forever and could effect the type of morals of future generations have.
I totally would do her.
>t. Ruby
Movie message is Toxic mathriarchy is le bad.
But it's still intact in the end of the film
What's stopping grandma from making another child?
i imagine she aged out idk it is a good question in 15 years she would have had another op giant kraken
I don't know if that's the message of the movie anon, it doesn't seem to add up.
C´mon Ruby´s mom lied her whole life
& it was the cataclism that started all the movie´s events..
>mathriarchy
>add up
Sounds like we're not so divided on this issue
>has even worse marketing than Elemental
It's already dead.
In latin releases when Chelsea betrays Ruby, she uses a very offensive word at Ruby calling her BOLUDA
CHElsea basada
Would you Ruby?
why does this drawing feel like a panel from something like chainsaw man. Just like the snowball scene but with Chelsea and ruby
>Chelsea watches the weekly Stand User fight
lol I saw it more like she accepts her I'm assuming the artist assumed inevitable death.
what's she gonna do about it cry? krakens rule the world.
true feels like something that fits that one anons take on more of a tragic chelsea. Like the one that Chelsea realizes she's the last mermaid or that ruby mom murdered her mom and goes full lapis water tower corrupted by pain loss and apathy. An now ruby has to kill her friend who's in mourning
it'll be ok anon
>Super Ruby trying to cup a feel
Thats problematic(and hot)Ruby.
A futile image of what could've been.
Remember, if the popular kid want to be your friend, kill them, they just want to use you like a discount condom.
Thanks, racism grandma.
Grandma's Shoshonesque wisdom.
Now remember Ruby, humanity is Krakenkind's greatest ally
I saw it and enjoyed it alot. I really dont understand what there is to hate about the movie except for some of you guys being upset the MC love interest was black. I liked how it had a genuine villain unlike most disney films these days and the fact that shes a ariel parody was funny
>had a genuine villain
She's a genuine villain the same way Belwether and Hans are genuine villains
I think you guys are overanalyzing this film too much
So you want to wait until some approved movie reviewer tells you what to think about it instead?
I saw the movie in theaters already, i liked it i dont think there was a "le racism good" message beyond making a joke that mermaids at least chelsea are evil.
Also ruby makes me stiff
Cinemaphile doesnt seem to enjoy anything anymore it seems. Sad
>Cinemaphile doesnt seem to enjoy anything anymore
>anymore
b***h been like that even before the horsepocalipse.
welcome to Cinemaphile
After The Last Wish they brought them to themselves
It's Star Vs all over again
How? Ruby never killed magic
Killing the ocean is saved for the sequel.
Well, The Last Wish was full of rich easter eggs.
Nah, I'm just here for the porn.
what porn? you're looking at the wrong place for that
Is already better than the other mermaid movie released this year.
I just love the whole family, even the uncle. I’m glad the son and the father didn’t get completely sidelined in the movie
They all had good designs i liked how they all squished and squashed and stretched because they were literal squid people i wonder what lovecraft wouldve thought of this film
>the family comfy movie it could've been if they kept Paul Tibbitt at the head of the production
it's not fair
So wait how much did this movie change in production?
>The plot for Meet the Gillmans is the story of a typical teenage girl, Ruby. Growing up in a seaside town in Florida. Like all teenagers, she’s embarrassed by her family. Only in this case, Ruby has extra reason to be embarrassed; because she’s from a family of …sea monsters. No one in town knows this (the Gillmans are “different” but the locals chalk it up to them being from Canada), but poor Ruby is scared to death that someday the truth will come out. If this happened, what would become of her social life? It would be calamitous. Naturally, the truth comes out, and disaster ensues.
https://thegww.com/exclusive-dreamworks-animation-sets-meet-the-gillmans-for-2022/
General consensus in these threads is a lot.
I think this would have been better as a television series than a film. As expected, I like Ruby and Chelsea a hell of a lot better than Ruby and fricking CONNOR.
Same
Energy
>Colin
>Connor
Like pottery
God i hated this fricker as a kid. Why did zombie simpsons always make everything surrounding lisa cringe?
>fricking CONNOR.
Not, not gonna frick that grubhub entity.
Krakens did OceanGate
Someone PLZ draw ruby crushing the titan sub while smiling at the screaming passengers from within
*Grandma crushing
I wonder if the movie would have been improved if Chelsea didn't know initially that Ruby was directly related that grandmother kraken that nearly wiped out the merfolk.
I'd imagine they'd be good friends, but the moment Chelsea finds out that Ruby's grandmother was the one who genocided her race, she'd see this as a betrayal and flip her shit.
Almost anything would've improved the film
Either have her go full alpha b***h from the start or actually do something with the the sob story
She could've been a solid love to hate villain ala Jack Horner who reveled in being a c**t every time she's on screen
She could've been a complex villain who genuinely loves Ruby but is still loyal to her personal mission to avenge her people and something like that could've rivaled Shen or Tai Lung except with a better chance of redemption
She could've simply been an all-around likable friend if the grandma was the villain
But nope, we got a 2010's Disney twist villain
I kind of pitched this somewhere above with Chelsea being the mermaid queen's daughter since they work so hard emphasizing the whole 15 year timeline. My idea though was that Chelsea was the reason ruby's mom stop being a warrior basically she killed chelsea's mom and sees a young chelsea that witnessed it realized she's just a kid and could be her own daughter ruby. Runs away to not be involved in mom's one sided war, then chelsea meets ruby's mom maybe have it be chelsea doesn't recognize her out of kraken form but she sees her when she goes to confront the grandma and realizes ruby's mom murdered her mom. Then when ruby gives her the trident instead of peace she wants to make ruby feel her pain and kill her mom thinking ruby is actually the betrayer
So what’s the moral of this movie? Racism is justified sometimes?
Racism is justified if it's against Stacy's or Chad's race.
Mother's and daughters shouldn't hide secrets and the former shouldn't try and control the latter's direction and choices in life
Also, yes your racist grandmother is right and forgetting that will get you killed
Could the Penguins of Madagascar stop Grandma's racism?
she has laser eyes, she could just kill them instantly
It was a letdown when Chelsea don´t say "Kusjes" in the movie.
Back from theaters, it was pretty cool, lotsa giant Ruby scenes. 8/10
hands that jerk off at theaters wrote this
This is the funniest fricking post I’ve read all night
Not dfc.
IT´S SOILED!
not liking the idea of Ruby using Chelsea as her personal boob spacer while she sleeps for shame anon
Ruby or Chelsea?
All those twitter b***hes moragayging over RubyxChelsea fanart because Chelsea is an adult & Ruby a teenager.LOL
At least they agree all racial enemies must be liquidated, especially that c**t Stacy who stole my boyfriend.
You can just feel a large chunk of that The Last Wish goodwill fading into dust
What do you think about Ruby´s uncle?
He's cool
He's ok, Ruby's family is actually enjoyable.
I just saw it. It was ok.
>chelsea says early on that apologies are so corny
>doesn't do her own apology video at the end
missed opportunity
though at least we're 2 for 2 on will forte apology videos in 2023
Since this is Turning Red but somehow worse, I guess this question needs to he raised
Were Krakens involved in 9/11?
Krakens said it was Merkind's inside job.
Alotsa "artists" are deleting RubyxChelsea fanart & making public apologies on twitter.
top kekus maximus!
Goddammit DreamWorks
Will this create a backlash against Dreamworks for taking Meet the Gillmans in this direction, or will it just get this movie memory holed?
Shippers don't carry enough weight for backlash
The "pro racism" meme is a funny inside joke but normal people lack imagination and can only see the literal so they wouldn't get it
That said, if this movie gets a show the showrunners will probably be pressed to address complaints aimed at the film
>normal people
I was gonna suggest reaching out to influential fandom wokescolds, because they'd be able to see the unintentional racism, but then I stopped to think if they might give it a pass for the intentional holding on to high school resentments.
People bring up Sing when discussing films that spoil the plot in a single trailer
Ruby Gillman will be the same except with much MUCH more to discuss in that conversation
Also if lame double subversions keep happening, this movie is gonna be the poster child of it
ARCHIVE IT
ARCHIVE IT ALL
WE MUST SAVE ALL THE FANART BEFORE IT GETS DELETED!
Who the frick cares? Do you know how much worse shit there is out there in terms of art.
any screencap? i want a healthy laugh
What a fricking loser.
...okay maybe we shouldn't rush an archive yet
Every second we don't rush is a second good art risks going away forever.
>Captcha: HMMDP
Also a good moment to let people know that Hydrus exist
What the frick is proshipping
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pro-shipper
>One who supports a ship or shipping deemed problematic (e.g., due to incest, age differences, abusive dynamics, etc.), and/or believes in the freedom to create and consume fanworks with such elements.
remember when that was just normal fandom and drawings were just drawings. People used to just have fun and not b***h yeah i don't either
>and/or believes in the freedom to create and consume fanworks with such elements.
Because it absolutely is a freedom and right to do so. Frick these puritanical homosexual moral fascists, their dads didnt beat them hard enough when they were kids
I'm guessing Carmilla is something they consider bad then.
I fricking hate twitter puritans so fricking much. Death to moralhomosexuals
god damn twitter losers, also love how twitter people feel it's so important they are posting spoilers in artist fan art ruining the movie for anyone that gives a damn. Like such a dick move just because you're a moral gay
I like how her actual name is Grandmamah but people don't even bother
this person spamming this in every piece of fanart involving Ruby and Chelsea. lmao this movie wroke these frickers.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
lol that's exactly who i saw too, what a fricking loser. Imagine going through a whole thing of fanart mass posting to moral gay. I hope they think their a bot and they lose their account I hate this type of shit
Actually, yeah i think you can report this as spamming. Time for some counterattack lmao
how fricking detached from reality do you have to be to police around the ages fictional character? I know this is falling on deaf ears but fricking real kids are being groomed as we speak and all these people do is b***h and moan about 2d images which does nothing to actually help, you know, the actual real kids that are being exploited
It's even worse because actual pedophiles use that argument as a scapegoat so people don't suspect they're diddling kids behind closed doors, they're basically helping their enemy so much to the point you start wondering if it's not being done on purpose
Because these people would rather feel self righteous and morally superior going after drawings and creative works of ART then to go after legitimately evil groups of people that probably they themselves belong to as well
It's people who are extremely sheltered or like you said, actual pedophiles that think hiding in plain sight is the best strategy. It's similar to the moronic argument that video games turn you into a mass murderer.
I honest to god have no idea how these people exist to the point it makes me mad. I grew up in a very prudish upbringing and hated it and became very vulgar and obscene as a result, i imagine these chucklefricks grew up in a similar limelight but embraced the methods of control and oppressiveness over them. Why do they enjoy being repressed and enslaved by puritanism is beyond me. My only guess is that self righteousness is one serious hell of a drug
Not to go off-topic but i’ve seen multiple cases of morons on twitter moralgayging over artists and writers for creating semi-taboo content, while basically ignoring the genuine kid diddlers and dogfrickers on that site. It’s honestly depressing as all hell and just makes me wonder how worse the internet is gonna get when it comes to people getting so worked up over this shit. Like I don’t even give a frick if people are uncomfortable over it, just don’t ruin someone’s godddamn life over a fictional piece of media.
Why has no one started going after moralgays the way moralgays go after others?
Because that would be enemy of morals. Bad look.
So what we do nothing in the wake of their purity inquisition? Frick that
Best mind melting character age thing is Zakuro from "dokuro-chan" she has an adult body but she is offcially 9 years old. Like a reverse "actually 100 years old".
https://twitter.com/PainfulBuggery/status/1480474406136786951
Does that make her like a grown up moronic person?
I'm sure the moron is just trying to stir shit with RubyxChelsea shippers, I have 2 nsfw of them and I'm not gonna repurpose it.
What a way to close out pride month
How many minutes of screen time did Post-Twist Chelsea got?
20 minutes kinda.
I feel about 15 mins depending on if you stop counting once she gets depowered
probably the best bet but knowing twitter doesn't count when you're moral gayging
>probably the best bet but knowing twitter doesn't count when you're moral gayging
Doesnt elon not give a frick about twitter puritans tho? Why would his administration mods defend them?
he doesn't really do shit but hurt the people that thought he'd be cool which is kind of hilarious
exactly why I said we should do it but I was just being pessimistic.
>he doesn't really do shit but hurt the people that thought he'd be cool which is kind of hilarious
Man frick elon musk, i thought hed fumigate that shithole site of its moralgay blue hair problem and all he does is suck cheeto mans dick instead
>i thought hed fumigate that shithole site of its moralgay blue hair problem
You stupid b***h.
Even for the goal of deleting people who speak ill of him he isn't successful. What a useless buyout.
Im glad grimes cucked him with a trans
>doesn't count when you're moral gayging
But it does count when you're copy pasting the same message over and over. No matter the message, if it's literally the same, it counts as spam.
So, the movie is good, right?
Look at all these posts.
Once you get past the wasted potential mourning and HOLY SHIT THE GRANDMA GETS AWAY WITH IT stuff, the movies just meh
The family is fun and charming but the movie isn't about them sans the women
The Grubhubians are horrifying
This is how you do a twist villain. Have the hero build a relationship with them and really get to know their better side before unleashing the nastiness
Who hurt you?
>It's a good twist just because it was unexpected and came suddenly
There's a difference between Muntz and Hans
Morally conflicted villain driven by years of loneliness and confronted with what could be a chance to avenge her people > lol I'm evil just because
Post ChelseaxRuby fanart.
STEP AWAY FROM THE CHILD
DUN DUN
The art of them hanging out and doing fun things might get the axe also, is everybody really gonna ape out now?
You had a good thing DreamWorks
You had a really good thing
umm that image is problematic please don't post that on my wholesome Cinemaphile board, okay sweetie?
Ruby Gillman literally looks like a Sweet Pete production lmao
I fricking hated most of the RR movie but i loved middle aged peter pan and ugly sonic and the butthurt over the fly fricking gadget
Yeah it was shit. I liked how Pete was trying to get a honest job in bootleg movies.
Miss Tweedy is still the queen of Dreamworks Female Villains.
Four words Anon
I NEED A HERO
Would all the artists deleting stuff feel stupid if a show continuation confirms Chelsea is 16 in mermaid years?
they always do, literally every time people moralgay like this they only hurt themselves. Shit most artist that actually make it usually used to draw weird shit or proship stuff then they moralgay and get cancelled it's the new artist ecosystem
How is the mermaid a twist villain? Unless there was a GREATER EVIL lurking in the shadows and the mermaid was bait. Then I'd applaud Dreamworks.
There are alotsa evil monsters behind the sea and now Ruby protects her city from them at the end of the movie.
She's only evil for the last 20 minutes of the movie and it's still treated as a twist by the plot
A twist spoiled by the trailers is still a twist
If you saw the film blind, she'd clearly be noticed as the twist villain
See
>evil monsters
*untermenschen who were physically destroyed for squatting on rightful kraken lebensraum
Hail Woomy
Hail Woomy indeed
How did Dreamworks not know that a lesbian Kraken and Mermaid couple would be way more interesting?
See
The more things change the more they stay the same
They just watched a mediocre film
>Grubhub sleep paralysis demon facing away from the viewer
How thoughtful of the artist.
aw this is adorable. I hope this gets a cult following with cute little girls :3
>I hope this gets a cult following with cute little girls :3
It won't. It killed its own fanbase in the crib. The original idea was solid, what they reworked it into could've maybe worked with a few more rewrites, but what was released was so "meh" it's getting out-tweeted by Nimona.
This will have as much of a fanbase as Norm of the North has, but since it cost WAY more to make there won't be any followup.
5 years from now we're gonna see someone make a video essay titled "How DreamWorks ruined their potentially first lesbian film"
>getting out-tweeted by Nimona
A fate worse than death
Checked btw.
Nimona is slaughtering Gillman on RT score alone.
RT is worthless lets not lie but imagine being mogged in any shape or form by a cancelled Blue Sky movie
Nimona feels like the most annoying movie in existence. Every promo image of it has that demon girl smirking like a moron gamer.
With that said, the fact Nimona is kicking Ruby's ass is quite depressing...
>Be me
>Pull up camrip of Ruby Gillman
>10 minutes in "Yeah I'm not digging this."
>Pull up Nimona on Netflix.
>10 minutes in "Well I'm gonna go to bed... but I think I'll finish it later. Seems kinda fun actually."
It seems oddly fitting that the Disney-killed somehow-resurrected movie is more enjoyable than the one that resulted from Dreamworks mangling a pitch to chase superhero fans.
sauce? I love wholesome harmless fanart when I'm not looking at hardcore rape shotacon doujins.
I... didn't need to know that but good for you anon.
(you) deserve no sauce. Use reverse image search or something.
The artist's name is on the pic
Imagine if they double subverted Kronk
The character who defies the evil sidekick shtick by being the nicest person in the film was secretly the true main villain all along
I remember people were expecting Perrito to want to kill everyone for his previous owner almost drowning him. So he'd steal Death's powers with the wish and become some kind of Cerberus monster.
I legit never paid attention to The Last Wish until it came out and blew expectations out of the water so this is hilarious
Wait I thought Death was a twist reveal kept secret until the movie came out? I know Jack Horner never shows up in trailers
*the wolf being Death
I need an edit of this like Ruby´s mum or grandma yelling at Chelsea.
So is this movie gonna make people stop wanking DreamWorks for making The Last Wish and remember DreamWorks is....DreamWorks?
Hopefully.
What's the age of consent in the kraken culture?
Depends, How long do krakens live? When are krakens physically, sexually, and mentally mature?
yes
Already posted
Back in the 90s I had a conversation with a friend's Aunt, who was a jaded old mummified self-loathing editor for one of the few New York publishers that did fantasy (her career covered a period with very few options for fantasy writers). She hated what her job had turned her into and wanted to retire.
As she explained it was her job to tell writers to stop writing good things and produce consumables instead. Don't do clever unique settings, nothing that readers might have to think to understand. Simple archetypes. No thinking, okay? If they're thinking they're not reading, if they're not reading they're not getting through your book as fast as possible and looking for the next one. Don't do complex characters. Don't do CHARACTERS if you can help it. Do story beats. The heroic arc. A couple of twists. Don't worry about whether or not the twists make sense, your reader won't be thinking about it much because they'll be reading and looking for the next book. That's what the industry looks for. Don't try to be clever and do some unusual story in a fantasy setting. A quest, that's what's needed. Young hero vanquishing an old evil. That's what the industry wanted. Make the reader sad, make the reader happy, make the reader surprised, but don't make the reader think.
This feels like an adaptation of one of the books she "fixed." Shove in an ancient evil, do a couple of twists, don't worry about what the story "has to say" or if it even makes sense. Get it out, move on to the next product.
Go full GMK, the trident is powerful and is a sacred relic of the mermaids but it's also powered by the deceased souls of mermaids who sacrificed their lives to power it during the war and said souls have been aware of everything for years
Chelsea isn't aware of this thinking it's just something her people value and could it's return be a token of peace but when she touches it she goes berserk seeking revenge
>and then grandma was right, all mermaids are evil
What a waste of movie...
Meet the Gillmans would have been better.
Would've been like Luca, and i loved Luca. i'm sad now.
I think the big difference between the two in how they wanted to tackle themes is that Ruby's identity as a sea creature in Teenage Kraken is revealed at the end and Meet the Gillmans would apparently made it be revealed a lot earlier as part of the main conflict
>and then we go through a journey where mothers and daughters reconcile through an understanding of honesty, trust, and independence (how the frick this connects to evil mermaids is anyone's guess)
>If the statues are anything to go by black mermaids existed
>Chelsea might as well be the last one
>Chelsea is white
>Ergo, Grandma genocided all the black mermaids
if they didn't say it in the movie it didn't happen
Chelsea's perfectly vertical flat chest.......
this movie really boils down to mermaids bad, krakens good. No joke
>hah, you thought chelsea was good, she's not!
>where are all the other mermaids you ask? the krakens got rid of them all, they were probably also evil too!
>we're totally the good guys, just ignore that we wiped out a bunch of species!
I honestly don't know what the message of this movie is supposed to be
>I honestly don't know what the message of this movie is supposed to be
I can, and I think a certain austrian artist can too.
We're supposed to care about the Krakens family gripes finally being resolved
This is gonna be cruel since Ruby and Agatha are genuinely likable but this is as engaging as watching Saddam Hussain's family make amends with each other
>I honestly don't know what the message of this movie is supposed to be
It's a bad thing when Studio execs say "turn your goofy family comedy into [FAD MOVIE TYPE THAT'S ON ITS WAY OUT]"
>Chelsea's true self have no legs and therefore no vagania, just a fish cloaca
>Ruby's true self has three legs, therefore at least two vaganias, maybe more. imagine
What you gonna choose, huh? Huh? The fish (fishe)? or the Kraken (woomy)?
>thursday previews is 400k
This movie will have a 2-3 million OW. Why are you fricks standing behind it so hard.
idk, cute fish girl? disney hate? My best guess is Puss in Boots 2 being a surprise hit.
>. Why are you fricks standing behind it so hard.
I gave up on this movie being good or successful (never had faith in it to begin with, the marketing was a disaster)
I just want to see how low it can go and watch the sole redeeming thing about it pre-release go up in smoke
I can't look away either way
Man, making Chelsea the Queen's daughter would've been more logical. How no one stopped to think about this?
They (presumably) planned Chelsea as an antagonist from the start and they never reconsidered her to be any different after the multiple changes to the original plot of the film
incompetence at its finest.
Yeah that all makes sense and lines up but when the most "evil" and "sus" Chelsea was before the twist was not saying the right things or show logical fear of an adult kraken, it falls apart
>show logical fear of an adult kraken, it falls apart
Honestly this is a key aspect that makes the whole movie fall apart.
The most logical thing to do is to fear krakens. People don't respect them, people fear them. You MUST show sympathy for the Kraken, whoever didn't in the past got systematically erased. Those old stories about krakens being horrible creatures were real after all.
You don't understand, the krakens are just misunderstood good people protecting their species by killing all who dare get in their way. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that
This is the same site that says Hans holding his jacket tighter is foreshadowing him being evil