>I did what I had to do to win! But somebody wouldn't let us win!
The longer the war lasts, the more guns and bombs and planes and tanks get sold
The more them things get sold, the more money politicians make
War is good for business, and its a very big business
Not really. War is just politics by other means. Politics is power. Money is power. They go hand in hand, and war generates both money and power for politicians.
Money isn't even real. They don't need all these complicated schemes to pretend there's more in their account. Any theory which has economics at its root should be dismissed out of hand.
>Money isn't even real.
Lmao. Maybe in some abstract sense you are right, but it's real enough that hundreds of millions would kill or risk death for the right price (that's what we call a selling number of that abstract concept you just dismissed). That's real enough for anything.
>Money isn't even real. They don't need all these complicated schemes to pretend there's more in their account. Any theory which has economics at its root should be dismissed out of hand.
Money effects not being "real" is a principle in economics. Either learn abut it or stop talking about things you don't understand.
Why do you think we're still keeping the Ukraine war going? Because Raytheon got to sell the US's entire stockpile of Javelins to Ukraine, which means now Raytheon is getting paid to fully replenish that stockpile. The US can't let this war end because Raytheon, Lockheed, Boeing and General Dynamics are making billions of dollars off of it.
maybe, maybe not? someone's making LOTS of money off the blood spilled over there though, that's for sure
Money isn't even real. They don't need all these complicated schemes to pretend there's more in their account. Any theory which has economics at its root should be dismissed out of hand.
whatever you say, anon. i disagree. money is most certainly real, and anyone willing to get involved with politics is a person who wants more of everything, including money.
>Otherwise they wouldn't get baited into it >baited
You really can't allow your opposition to redefine the conflict dyad for you after a certain point. That's like saying Japan was "baited" into attacking Pearl Harbor - superficially that's true, but that's like squeezing someone into a dead end alley and then saying you baited them into attacking you when they try to squeeze by you to leave.
That is one of the realizations I came to when I redeployed. The point wasn't victory, leadership wasn't interested in taking the offensive. The point was to keep the war going and keep the factories open
>just sit in the south and let the numerically superior foe endlessly retreat, rearm, heal up and attack again and again and again until they get tired of it
Genuinely among the dumbest war plans ever
1984
he was talking about always being at war with Eastasia or Eurasia, depending on the day. Oceania would change who it was fighting at a moment's notice and tell the citizenry that they'd always been at war with one particular nation and always been friends with another. just more double think.
>Oceania would change who it was fighting at a moment's notice and tell the citizenry that they'd always been at war with one particular nation and always been friends with another. just more double think.
Does this happen in real life?
money is a means to an end: power
war is politics by other means
power and money go hand in hand
money is not the sole reason for war, but it's a very large reason none the less
The war would end tomorrow if the US would stop sending them weapons and cash. But we won't ever stop, because this is too profitable for the military industrial complex.
>private weapons manufacturing companis produce weaponry that gets sent to ukrain >america places more orders with those companies to make more weaponry >politicans own stock in companies that produce weapons, or are on the payroll from them >politicians earn private money off political wars
You don't have to be a cynic to see how popular opinion has gone against Russia. I know people personally who had their view of the mighty Russian military shattered to the reality that they are a paper bear. In turn the same holds true for "mighty China." You have to at least give the US credit for being the only country in the whole world to correctly "predict" the Russian invasion. Russia and China have demoralize the US with a culture war for almost a decade now and the Ukrainian war has been the biggest boost to the US standing in the world in the last few years.
No but they did trick Ukraine into comitting suicide instead of negotiating
Putin literally warned them this would happen but Americans think diplomacy and negotiation = I get everything I want and you get nothing you want, in fact, lose more than you had
its funny how they labeled trump a tyrannical war monger because he was willing to TALK to our political adversaries
and now we've got sleepy joe overseeing the latest ocean of blood that he and his ilk so love to make
The fact that the entire American political establishment actively tried to sabotage Trump for trying to cool down tensions with North Korea killed any hope I had left that this government could be saved.
That is one of the realizations I came to when I redeployed. The point wasn't victory, leadership wasn't interested in taking the offensive. The point was to keep the war going and keep the factories open
also same. was a greenside corpsman and i just stopped giving a frick
>hurr just agree to Russian terms to lose land and get invaded 3 years later once Russia remobilize, rearm and Ukraine has less land and manpower to work with.
Fricking moron, only way Ukraine gets a win here is if they bleed Russia enough to get NATO to back them as a member.
>only way Ukraine gets a win here is if they bleed Russia enough
The only way Ukraine gets a win is by retaking Melitopol and Berdyanks
>the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must >A small country cannot contend with a great; the few cannot contend with the many; the weak cannot contend with the strong.
there are politicians and private company owners making lots of money off the war. are you saying because YOU haven't seen any money that other people aren't getting rich by the bullet and bomb explosion?
>They just needed to let us rape and murder random Vietnamese villagers bro, we could have stopped the commies for God emperor Reagan!
Conservastupids should just be fed to the war machine at birth, frick educating these murderous hicks, just let them kill each other.
southern riceBlack folk very so fricking corrupt holy shit
they deserved the post-war re-education camps
then the commies understood how moronic some things were and now vietnam is ok
>return on investment?
i binged it but it only gave me info about how much money usa sends to isreal, not the other way around. whats your sauce for the amount israel sends back?
>USA orchestrated and backed the coup against the elected pro-russian government in 2014. This is a fact.
t. Vlad
Give it up tovarisch, no one wants moronic geriatric communist dictators or their friends ruling their countries anymore.
>Wars aren't fought for money, NO ONE makes money off of wars or tries to prolong wars to sell more war machines, if you think they do you are a crazy conspiracy theorist
this is what they actually want you to think
Russians dindu nuffin le evil west forced them to start a war!
Cinemaphile is just a gathering of brown goatfricking and streetshitting morons who unironically believe le israelites are behind everything now.
>Like them politicians in Washington. Want to fight their war with one hand tied around their balls
The longer the war lasts, the more guns and bombs and planes and tanks get sold
The more them things get sold, the more money politicians make
War is good for business, and its a very big business
This is a vulgar, exoteric understanding of war.
Not really. War is just politics by other means. Politics is power. Money is power. They go hand in hand, and war generates both money and power for politicians.
Money isn't even real. They don't need all these complicated schemes to pretend there's more in their account. Any theory which has economics at its root should be dismissed out of hand.
>Money isn't even real.
Lmao. Maybe in some abstract sense you are right, but it's real enough that hundreds of millions would kill or risk death for the right price (that's what we call a selling number of that abstract concept you just dismissed). That's real enough for anything.
>Money isn't even real. They don't need all these complicated schemes to pretend there's more in their account. Any theory which has economics at its root should be dismissed out of hand.
Money effects not being "real" is a principle in economics. Either learn abut it or stop talking about things you don't understand.
>war is politics
I enjoyed this movie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz
I disagree with him.
Why do you think we're still keeping the Ukraine war going? Because Raytheon got to sell the US's entire stockpile of Javelins to Ukraine, which means now Raytheon is getting paid to fully replenish that stockpile. The US can't let this war end because Raytheon, Lockheed, Boeing and General Dynamics are making billions of dollars off of it.
>Why do you think we're still keeping the Ukraine war going?
To kill young Europeans.
>Slavs
>White
homie please
>Why do you think we're still keeping the Ukraine war going?
Biden needs a win after Ghanny.
>exoteric
When hundreds of billions of dollars are flowing into a war, politicians and their friends in the defense industry get to skim off the top
that's why the neocons started the war in Ukraine
maybe, maybe not? someone's making LOTS of money off the blood spilled over there though, that's for sure
whatever you say, anon. i disagree. money is most certainly real, and anyone willing to get involved with politics is a person who wants more of everything, including money.
Shame the entire russian nation isn't as smart as you. Otherwise they wouldn't get baited into it.
>Otherwise they wouldn't get baited into it
>baited
You really can't allow your opposition to redefine the conflict dyad for you after a certain point. That's like saying Japan was "baited" into attacking Pearl Harbor - superficially that's true, but that's like squeezing someone into a dead end alley and then saying you baited them into attacking you when they try to squeeze by you to leave.
>i watched the cutscene of Metal Gear Rising on youtube, let me educate you about war
>the military industrial complex didn't exist until metal gear rising invented it
>we're making the mother of all omelettes here jack, can't fret over every egg
That is one of the realizations I came to when I redeployed. The point wasn't victory, leadership wasn't interested in taking the offensive. The point was to keep the war going and keep the factories open
i'd like to hear about it potheads!
~~*somebody*~~
>if i had twenty good men our troubles here would be over very quickly
thats not what he said
>just sit in the south and let the numerically superior foe endlessly retreat, rearm, heal up and attack again and again and again until they get tired of it
Genuinely among the dumbest war plans ever
>implying winning was ever the goal of vietnam or afghanistan
"The war is not meant to be won, it is mean to be continuous." - Orwell
Which book did he write that in?
1984
he was talking about always being at war with Eastasia or Eurasia, depending on the day. Oceania would change who it was fighting at a moment's notice and tell the citizenry that they'd always been at war with one particular nation and always been friends with another. just more double think.
>Oceania would change who it was fighting at a moment's notice and tell the citizenry that they'd always been at war with one particular nation and always been friends with another. just more double think.
Does this happen in real life?
Germany, Italy, Japan, all US allies now
money is a means to an end: power
war is politics by other means
power and money go hand in hand
money is not the sole reason for war, but it's a very large reason none the less
The war would end tomorrow if the US would stop sending them weapons and cash. But we won't ever stop, because this is too profitable for the military industrial complex.
>be US
>be massive trade corporation
>infiltrate and take over everything
>install patented US trade corporations as governments
>fund and arm them
...I fail to see the problem you have with this, since every trade corporation since Babylon has done that.
Because trade corporations are gay
>private weapons manufacturing companis produce weaponry that gets sent to ukrain
>america places more orders with those companies to make more weaponry
>politicans own stock in companies that produce weapons, or are on the payroll from them
>politicians earn private money off political wars
ukryne provoked the war by disenfranchising and imprisoning ethnic russians
You don't have to be a cynic to see how popular opinion has gone against Russia. I know people personally who had their view of the mighty Russian military shattered to the reality that they are a paper bear. In turn the same holds true for "mighty China." You have to at least give the US credit for being the only country in the whole world to correctly "predict" the Russian invasion. Russia and China have demoralize the US with a culture war for almost a decade now and the Ukrainian war has been the biggest boost to the US standing in the world in the last few years.
No but they did trick Ukraine into comitting suicide instead of negotiating
Putin literally warned them this would happen but Americans think diplomacy and negotiation = I get everything I want and you get nothing you want, in fact, lose more than you had
its funny how they labeled trump a tyrannical war monger because he was willing to TALK to our political adversaries
and now we've got sleepy joe overseeing the latest ocean of blood that he and his ilk so love to make
The fact that the entire American political establishment actively tried to sabotage Trump for trying to cool down tensions with North Korea killed any hope I had left that this government could be saved.
same
also same. was a greenside corpsman and i just stopped giving a frick
>hurr just agree to Russian terms to lose land and get invaded 3 years later once Russia remobilize, rearm and Ukraine has less land and manpower to work with.
Fricking moron, only way Ukraine gets a win here is if they bleed Russia enough to get NATO to back them as a member.
Well they're going to lose it, and have manpower to work with either way now
>only way Ukraine gets a win here is if they bleed Russia enough
The only way Ukraine gets a win is by retaking Melitopol and Berdyanks
>the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must
>A small country cannot contend with a great; the few cannot contend with the many; the weak cannot contend with the strong.
there are politicians and private company owners making lots of money off the war. are you saying because YOU haven't seen any money that other people aren't getting rich by the bullet and bomb explosion?
>War is over. If you want it.
-John Lenin
>They just needed to let us rape and murder random Vietnamese villagers bro, we could have stopped the commies for God emperor Reagan!
Conservastupids should just be fed to the war machine at birth, frick educating these murderous hicks, just let them kill each other.
southern riceBlack folk very so fricking corrupt holy shit
they deserved the post-war re-education camps
then the commies understood how moronic some things were and now vietnam is ok
>return on investment?
i binged it but it only gave me info about how much money usa sends to isreal, not the other way around. whats your sauce for the amount israel sends back?
>THEY WOULDN'T LET ME MASSACRE CHILDREN GODDAMNIT
uh this is the good goy?
>he doesn't know how lethal vietnam fricking shits children
ngmi
please cite your source
just provide a link to the actual documents you are refrencing
>"Incoherent gibberish"
russia lost
so you don't have any sources to back up your claim?
Literally yes.
USA orchestrated and backed the coup against the elected pro-russian government in 2014. This is a fact.
This fact and the refusal of NATO and USA to promise not to admit Ukraine into NATO are directly the causes of this war.
>USA orchestrated and backed the coup against the elected pro-russian government in 2014. This is a fact.
t. Vlad
Give it up tovarisch, no one wants moronic geriatric communist dictators or their friends ruling their countries anymore.
Sure thing Ivan. 0.002ru have been deducted from your debt.
Because they're not American. They're israeli.
>I shit what I had to poo
what did he mean by this?
>Wars aren't fought for money, NO ONE makes money off of wars or tries to prolong wars to sell more war machines, if you think they do you are a crazy conspiracy theorist
this is what they actually want you to think
Russians dindu nuffin le evil west forced them to start a war!
Cinemaphile is just a gathering of brown goatfricking and streetshitting morons who unironically believe le israelites are behind everything now.
Even a thread about first blood turns into third worlders and russians kvetching why usa doesn't tell ukraine "just surrender lmao"
how gauche