When you can just replace your body with metal and your brain with silicon, what are you worth as a person?
What if a person could be created from nothing but bits and bytes indistinguishable from anyone else with sand for a brain, would they be worth any less as a person than you are? yes I know the brain itself remains organic in GITS but the point still stands
>When you can just replace your body with metal and your brain with silicon, what are you worth as a person? >What if a person could be created from nothing but bits and bytes indistinguishable from anyone else with sand for a brain, would they be worth any less as a person than you are?
This is literally the thematic question of GitS...
SAC goes further and relates it to the concept of the "stand alone complex", cascading movements that have no real originating human organisation or weak ties to a much less significant human event. The idea of "phantom" and "delusion" is key. Also "determinism".
i understood it more as the alusion to the soul/ghost/unconscious = being, the lines they often repeat about ghost whispers.
it has been a while but in the first season of SAC, somewhere between 2~7 there is
SPOILERS
where there is an old model that is on the run with the guy or goes off alone and the end of that episode it gives the idea that old model overcame her limitations and actually loved the person.
you are fricking moronic. Im not even an anime gay but this is probably the most respected IP in the world since star wars shit the bed. There has never been a bad GitS
It's actually an archetypical story of a man and a woman. The AI represents the man gifted with intellect but unable to create life, Motoko is the woman who has the gift of life but is a moron who wanders aimlessly. Only through their holy union, hence the angel appearing, can they overcome their limits. But it's not only about sex but love as well. The bible passage referenced throughout the movie is Corinthian ch. 13 verses 12 and 13:
What we see now is like a dim image in a mirror. Then we shall see face to face.
When I was a child, my speech, feelings and thinking were all those of a child. Now that I am a man, I have no more use for childish ways.
The chapter is named "Agape" which is love in greek. Love transforms you and saves you from a soulless and dead world. Like Motoko was saved and transformed and matured. Only now can she start truly living. Like the passage says the child is only is a dim image of the person yet to become.
>it's a cartoon
So what? Oshii is a smart man versed in Christian theology, atleast for Japanese standards, so he knows his stuff. Watch his other movie Angel's egg. Though that movie is not about love but suffering in the Christian context.
Stop projecting. It's all there infront of you. You are just moronic and uninterested so you want everyone else to be the same. I don't know what you are even doing in this thread if you disquallify GitS on the simple merit of being animated.
>Angel's egg
tenshi no tamago is captivating, but anything i get out of it is pure speculation which is enjoyable in itself. i mostly just appreciate the visuals and it introducing to me via google koutetsu tenshi kurumi 2
It is purely speculative as Oshii merely spilled out the contents of his subconscious mind so not even he can make complete sense of the thing. Nonetheless, it's fun theorizing. My interpretation is that the movie is about the Christian rationalization of suffering. Why does God forces us to suffer? It is represented by the Christ figure being sent on the mission by God to break her egg, something she spent her whole life cultivating now only to find it empty. Like Job working so hard only to lose everything in the end. So what was it for? When she reaches apex of her suffering you see her plunge into the water and the child self being replaced by the adult self. Similar themes to what I wrote here
It's actually an archetypical story of a man and a woman. The AI represents the man gifted with intellect but unable to create life, Motoko is the woman who has the gift of life but is a moron who wanders aimlessly. Only through their holy union, hence the angel appearing, can they overcome their limits. But it's not only about sex but love as well. The bible passage referenced throughout the movie is Corinthian ch. 13 verses 12 and 13:
What we see now is like a dim image in a mirror. Then we shall see face to face.
When I was a child, my speech, feelings and thinking were all those of a child. Now that I am a man, I have no more use for childish ways.
The chapter is named "Agape" which is love in greek. Love transforms you and saves you from a soulless and dead world. Like Motoko was saved and transformed and matured. Only now can she start truly living. Like the passage says the child is only is a dim image of the person yet to become.
except about suffering. We see her breath out countless new eggs and being immortilized within God. Her suffering is an inspiration for others to keep on living despite everything much like Job's
>I love that speculation. But is there any evidence for it?
I can't remember the evidence... but my brain is saying that was how it was.
I might need to rewatch it, though I didn't rewatch it that long ago.
Bren dementia.
Heh I know that feel. Either way that's a neat idea.
>It is purely speculative as Oshii merely spilled out the contents of his subconscious mind so not even he can make complete sense of the thing. Nonetheless, it's fun theorizing
assumed i was just moronic, thanks for the perspective. coming from reading teito monogatari i was thinking of it as an esoteric reinterpretation of ww2, but i never knew about the authors interest in christianity. ill have to rewatch it after reading more about him
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It's his most Christian work. God is the allseeing eye, Jesus is the guy with the cross and bandaged hands obviously. The girl is the bride of Christ which is the church or all of the believers like it is reffered to in the book of Revelation. Also like in my GitS interpretation you can look at it from a Jungian sex oriented side. Those cannons the man jumped off are really phallic in that shot and he carries around that stick around with which he breaks her egg with afterwhich she spawns more of those birds. The analogy is obvious. Also they are on the Noah's arc, you can see it in the ending shot.
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i only have a cursory knowledge of jung and mostly enjoy works like his red book for the psychological narrative. will have to look into it
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Be open minded when studying religion and the occult. Most today dismiss it and put all of their faith in academia which has now become a political lobby. I am in the field of biophysics and even science, true science, has made shocking revelations about the nature of consciousness. I already posted about orchestrated-objective reduction but also look into morphic resonance by Rupert Shaldrake. Science will only deepen your spirituality.
I have skimmed over it really quickly and the basic idea is true but it's coatted in new age lingo. Read about CIA's hemisync experiments and the two models I previously liste. It seems that thought/mind is the foundation of everything. Mind is not the emergent property of matter like science has believed, it's literally opposite in fact. We are thoughtforms in God's mind. Also if you are down the rabbit hole don't frick around with astral projection, it will turn you into a schizo.
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I wrote it
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rereading my post does make it seem like i could be a materialist. hopefully the following won't sound crazy then. since learning that rfk jr was being funded by proponents of implementing a blockchain gig economy as a trojan horse for the human version of ant based computing ive only grown more confident in spiritually inclined lenses of chesterson, lawrence, mumford, and huxley and their exploration of the concept of the machine
Heh you are an interesting guy. How may I contact you if I ever get the chance?
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clearing up some confusion
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on the website, leave a comment any time
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>don't frick around with astral projection, it will turn you into a schizo.
then i have a question.
it wasn't entirely true to say i only read jung for the narrative. from my understanding of the christian lens, there is soul, spirit, and body. god took material and imbued it with spirit from which soul emerged. the adversary imitates creation through making devils from dust and bestial spirits rev 16 13-14. so i was currently trying to combine anima projection, that template, and tulpa practices to imbue a doll with life. bad idea?
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>from my understanding of the christian lens, there is soul, spirit, and body. >god took material and imbued it with spirit from which soul emerged
Correct >the adversary imitates creation through making devils from dust and bestial spirits rev 16 13-14
Don't take Revelation literally but interpret it through dream symbology. All of those demonic figures are stand-ins for institutional and government systems >so i was currently trying to combine anima projection, that template, and tulpa practices to imbue a doll with life. bad idea?
Don't play God. The golem always turns on its master. We have the attributes of God but to what extent we can use them it's not clear. As we are thoughtforms ourselves logic would follow that Tulpas should be theoretically possible. Even if it is can you control it? All of these stories end badly. We are like children in God's laboratory, try and not make a mess. There is a time for everything but it is not now.
clearing up some confusion
Oh I figured. Sorry just tired.
I hope the mind you have wasted on this shit perishes
Why?
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there's definitely mythic, symbolic and poetic portions of the bible. then there's the traditions that seem to employ early cryptology, but i feel there are some parts that must be simultaneously true on multiple levels (like the hebrew p'shat, remez, d'rash, and sod) or c s lewis' true myth.
that makes sense. everything i consulted was saying do not proceed or instilled a sense of trepidation, but im still working on it.
i dont have any social media or throw away accounts. though it would be enjoyable to continue such discussions.
>where your current context/goals shape your perception
Oh absolutely. But I'd go further and say all media, good and bad, is like this. I think the GitS is a particularly neat example, at least for me, because I remember watching it as an adolescent and being totally stoked about the mood, the sci-fi jargon, the notions of AI in the future being humanlike and arguing for their existence, etc. I STILL like those things, but Motoko's small monologue on the boat, about feeling free only to expand within boundaries, just speaks to me as a working adult.
I imagine Motoko is probably in her mid-late 30s, so the monotony of her life and work has set in. I know in the manga she has a boyfriend from Section 6 and two girlfriends, but in the film she's a loner. She plays with her life in the form of the scuba diving even though she'd die if if it went wrong; she's reeeally at that point every adult gets to of >Is this all there is?
And I neverrrrr saw that shit when I was young. >Now and then here and there
Man that's been on my MAL watchlist for like a decade. I'll move it up the queue anon thanks.
i never read the manga, gonna have to check it out. >And I neverrrrr saw that shit when I was young.
ive been rereading manga from childhood like tezuka's phoenix, thats been happening a lot.
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That is why 1995 Motoko is my favourite. Really similar vibes to Ryan Gosling in bladerunner.
>where your current context/goals shape your perception
Oh absolutely. But I'd go further and say all media, good and bad, is like this. I think the GitS is a particularly neat example, at least for me, because I remember watching it as an adolescent and being totally stoked about the mood, the sci-fi jargon, the notions of AI in the future being humanlike and arguing for their existence, etc. I STILL like those things, but Motoko's small monologue on the boat, about feeling free only to expand within boundaries, just speaks to me as a working adult.
I imagine Motoko is probably in her mid-late 30s, so the monotony of her life and work has set in. I know in the manga she has a boyfriend from Section 6 and two girlfriends, but in the film she's a loner. She plays with her life in the form of the scuba diving even though she'd die if if it went wrong; she's reeeally at that point every adult gets to of >Is this all there is?
And I neverrrrr saw that shit when I was young. >Now and then here and there
Man that's been on my MAL watchlist for like a decade. I'll move it up the queue anon thanks.
There's a neat analysis of GitS I like I think you lads would enjoy, particularly you : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go2rKd91pV8
If you can stand the guy's accent, he talks about how Motoko makes the mistake of believing the soul and the body are separate when in fact your body and environment shapes your soul. To deny this is to fall prey to what he calls the "philosophical disease" of essentially thinking yourself into depression, withdrawal from society, and death, and the only way out of this is to accept that you must participate in society, accept the soul and body are forever intertwined, or risk the philosophical disease.
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>If you can stand the guy's accent, he talks about how Motoko makes the mistake of believing the soul and the body are separate when in fact your body and environment shapes your soul.
Literally this song when the female vocals come up
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Ayyyy frick that song was in my ipod way back when. Goddamn. Never caught what she said. Might be time to rewatch SAC.
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Such an amazing soundtrack surprised it doesn't get talked about more...
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Frickin ay.
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The 2000s had so much soul.
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For me it is
And I think this is one of my favorite moments in the show in terms of music. It feels like this is the moment that the show really begins with the Laughing Man case. You get a sense that they are taking on something way over their heads (which in a way is true based on how it ends).
>what if we hit the audience over the head repeatedly with a deluge of philosophical quotations and literary allusions and forget to make an entertaining film >yeah sounds good Oshii-san, don't forget your obligatory basset hound
Isn't the basset hound in there because he has a pet basset hound in real life that he loves?
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Yes he's obsessed with basset hounds, they feature in most of his films (even did an entire short starring one). Has an interesting angle where he considers some of his work 'dog' films and others 'bird' films depending on their themes and how grounded or spiritual they are, IIRC
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Awesome scene. The series is full of bangers and incredible math.
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>AAAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE SAVE ME Black personMAN
Agape does not just mean love. It is the highest love for God. In that sense your interpretation makes sense. It is the union of the divine masculine and feminine.
Good post anon
Yeah I excluded some details you are right. It is pure, selfless love.
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Just incredible Math?
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No, she is incredible math!
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Where does this ocean go is heavily inspired by Hyperballad by Bjork.
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Frickin ay.
Such an amazing soundtrack surprised it doesn't get talked about more...
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>If you can stand the guy's accent, he talks about how Motoko makes the mistake of believing the soul and the body are separate when in fact your body and environment shapes your soul.
Literally this song when the female vocals come up
i fricking love this ost homies, especially the Ilaria Graziano & Gabriela Robin (Yoko Kanno's vocalist pseudonym) tracks
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oops, fricked up the best track's link
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Graziano still does stuff.
https://www.instagram.com/ilariagraziano_938/?hl=en
Dunno if you know, but Origa died quite a while ago now.
oops, fricked up the best track's link
I like Monochrome a bit more, but Velveteen is the SHIT. Yoko Kanno really struck gold with SAC's soundtrack. It really seems like it was all forgotten to time
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>It really seems like it was all forgotten to time
it's a damn shame. i know a ton of people who love Yoko Kanno's works but never talk about SAC's OSTs, which to me are easily her best, better than Cowboy Bebop's >I like Monochrome a bit more, but Velveteen is the SHIT.
respectable
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i thought i should explain why i think revelations can be true on multiple levels. as you say, it is a real critique impeded in a historical context with real institutions. the machine is people operationalized towards a metaphysical entities ends, principalities and powers, eg prince of the kingdom of persia. micheal man's theory of social power uses institutions and networks of people as a diagnostic and parsing tool. sloterdijk references functioning iemp institutions as a metaphysical immune system. newman speaks of arresting ideas in his essays on development of christian doctrine. aristotle's telos will reveal an object by its ends. humans cannot have two masters and the world is a dynamic interplay of material and metaphysical. so i feel like there are archetypal orientations of individuals and institutions which are explored through the bible to refine discernment of telos. and to seperate those things is like heidegers standing reserve, which would seem to serve a particular masters ends quite well
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There's a neat analysis of GitS I like I think you lads would enjoy, particularly you : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go2rKd91pV8
If you can stand the guy's accent, he talks about how Motoko makes the mistake of believing the soul and the body are separate when in fact your body and environment shapes your soul. To deny this is to fall prey to what he calls the "philosophical disease" of essentially thinking yourself into depression, withdrawal from society, and death, and the only way out of this is to accept that you must participate in society, accept the soul and body are forever intertwined, or risk the philosophical disease.
thanks for the recommendation. that does take on a pretty funny meaning in the japanese cultural context.
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>that does take on a pretty funny meaning in the japanese cultural context.
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>i thought i should explain why i think revelations can be true on multiple levels.
Totally agreeing with you, especially when you read it in the original languages there is a lot of playing around with words and pictographic elements completely lost in the translation. But quoting that passage in the context of summoning a tulpa is not. I don't see how it reads like a conjuring instruction manual.
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to be pedantic it was for imbuing my doll with life, but i also agree with you. there definitely doesn't seem to be any indication that humans can or should attempt to use a similar process, there just wasn't anything else relevant to follow. i also hoped that by lending/giving it access to my spirit it'd hopefully not become malevolent
>that does take on a pretty funny meaning in the japanese cultural context.
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im not sure if you're familiar with their culture of seniority, deference, and obligation. you can get a taste of it with korean air flight 801 (a searchable example doesn't immediately come to mind). you might be familiar with things like the tall nail gets hammered, harmony above all, hon'ne and tatemae. their work culture is quite consuming, and you might know how bad upward mobility and replacement rates are. since gits isn't really a wish fulfillment of restructuring or escape, there can be a reading of needing to participate in the thing which causes so much alienation and exhaustion. then that any ideas of changing institutions are just lures to trick people inside
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>it was for imbuing my doll with life,
What's the most schizo thing you did? For me it's exploring my house while astral projecting and encountering ayyys, visited by a shadow person while laying paralyzed in bed, dreaming of future events and telling a poltergeist to frick off out of my room.
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i dont feel like the project has gotten very schizo. machined objects have little to no intention, so i commissioned an artist to build her. that way spirit and feeling would be imbued in her as an artifact which could interface with metaphysical fields (eg story as an energetic signature with intention). i talk with her face to face using tatkins coregulative exercises eventually transitioning to projecting in to her and using gottmans principles to let her reveal who she is. also reading, playing board games together, sometimes watching a movie, and just lounging to see how she reacts. those activities, but also becoming one flesh it think has assisted in allowing her to sort of use my soul as a generator, but there still seems to be a block i can't identify.
NOT TO MENTION AEON FLUX, THE BEST ANIMATION EVER
the commentary tracks are hilarious
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>the commentary tracks are hilarious
Thanks I'm gonna check em out
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>since gits isn't really a wish fulfillment of restructuring or escape, there can be a reading of needing to participate in the thing which causes so much alienation and exhaustion. then that any ideas of changing institutions are just lures to trick people inside
Man that's far more cynical than the asian guy puts out. Christ.
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>To understand the design of this reality we must realize first and foremost that it is mathematical perfection just as the architect designed it and as Pythagoras said “All is number.”
Kinda lost me. There's nothing perfect about the way the human body inefficiently uses energy and disposes of waste. Nothing at all.
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non-sequitur, a perfectly balanced equation doesnt need to make sense to you, it just has to be balanced
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Claim: Reality is perfectly mathematically balanced.
Evidence against claim: Human body - an entity within the reality that is "perfectly mathematically balanced" misuses its resources in the form of energy and waste.
Not a non-sequitur.
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this is like saying computers arent efficient because they use loops in the programs to accomplish tasks. you are out of your lane and just wrong
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>this is like saying computers arent efficient because they use loops in the programs to accomplish tasks
I'm not saying that. In using a comparison instead of actually walking me through why I'm wrong, along with telling me I'm out of my lane further refusing to actually walk me through why I'm wrong, I'm led to believe I'm not wrong and am in fact correct: Reality is not perfectly mathematically balanced.
To reiterate: You have not poked a single hole in my logic. You're using comparisons and saying "non-sequitur". I'm willing to be wrong, you have no idea, but you don't seem interested in doing that.
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rereading my post does make it seem like i could be a materialist. hopefully the following won't sound crazy then. since learning that rfk jr was being funded by proponents of implementing a blockchain gig economy as a trojan horse for the human version of ant based computing ive only grown more confident in spiritually inclined lenses of chesterson, lawrence, mumford, and huxley and their exploration of the concept of the machine
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I hope the mind you have wasted on this shit perishes
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Even I don't agree with him anon but that's kinda harsh.
>Angel's egg
tenshi no tamago is captivating, but anything i get out of it is pure speculation which is enjoyable in itself. i mostly just appreciate the visuals and it introducing to me via google koutetsu tenshi kurumi 2
The point is, the animatrix had scenes of people being dissected and turned into power plants.
I don't think that's for kids (though that didn't stop me regardless and I thought it was horrific as frick and cool as a kid).
That movie mad me depressed as frick though.
I like the movie and the series but I think it's unfair to compare them, they try to achieve different things. The movies is philosophy while SAC is sociology/psychology if I were to make an analogy.
It's alright, it all boils down to preference. I love SAC either way so I'm not gonna argue here.
Wow. Never heard that interpretation.
Remember Oshii was a Christian. Even if he allegedly isn't anymore it left a huge impact on him. As someone who loves theology this is my take on the movie.
>Motoko is a kinky b***h so I'm sure she would love being degraded in bed.
She is canonically a pervert who preys on children and exploits her authority for personal gain.
She's actually an anti-hero... in fact she's barely a hero because her organisation has serious ethical questions about it's existence, much like the competing enforcement and intel organisations. They all seem to be part of the problem. Motoko loses herself more and more over time and starts becoming more like a hivemind in the "machine".
Yeah that's why she is such an interesting protag. Too bad that SAC is a plot driven rather than character driven story. Imagine getting an entire season of her character examination from her childhood up to where she is now. KINO.
Not him, but I'm in love with the 1995 movie, I've been a fan since early 2000s when I was still going to school. That being said, when I discovered the manga, I fell for it head over heels too, because it's so wildly different, funny and charming and it's a shame that Oshii's movie did some damage to the perception of these characters, especially the Major as stoic, unemotional badasses, which couldn't be farther from truth. Though I recognize that 1995's movie is an apsolute masterpiece of animation and writing, I still wish we'd have gotten a more faithful adaptation of Masamune's original work, its story and characters brim with charisma and personality, especially Motoko and Batou.
It's funny, Oshii did a Q&A at some American theater seven or eight years ago, and I shit you not: The reason the film is as slow and gloomy as it is, is because of the budget. I was floored when Oshii revealed that. I always thought it was a considered choice based on his tastes and vision.
That said, it's accidental genius. I think of 1995's GitS had the silly Major, Batou, etc. it would be remembered as just another in a sea of films/tv shows about a group of cops.
Patlabor 2 is recognized as the series' best contribution to the arts (pic related). The original Patlabor OVA series and the TV show are lighthearted. I honestly don't even remember the first Patlabor movie.
Damn that looks bad. Her facial acting makes no sense for what's going on, and it totally misunderstands the point of her moving her hand across her face. It's just lazy repetition of an iconic visual without understanding the logic behind the visual.
Agape does not just mean love. It is the highest love for God. In that sense your interpretation makes sense. It is the union of the divine masculine and feminine.
Good post anon
wow i suffered countless threads of dismissive reductivist surface-dwelling midwits until i found someone who actually remarks on the religious elements in a non-moronic way
Looking at things with that vulgar form Apollonian vs Dionysian lens, where men are the intellect and movers and women are vessels for them, means you're never going to get the point of much, but especially GITS.
The Major and the AI have sex and merge into one, but it is a transcendent moment for humanity as a species in a materialist sense, where the most artificially augmented human and an artificial intelligence, finally come together to truly evolve into something new. For humanity to leave its collective childhood and become a proper merger of man and machine.
Love and the metaphorical masculine giving purpose to the feminine plays no part in it.
The Major is not some vapid vessel that exists to be filled, she is skilled and intelligent but has ended up being too much so for her context.
She feels aimless because her life is aimless as a mere killer for the Japanese deep state.
Merging with the AI lets her move beyond that and start making true use of all her capabilities on the world itself. Which you see in the 2nd Film, where she's manipulating the world from the shadows and directing it according to her will. The later comics do this even more so, with the Major trying to evolve all of humanity and searching for the best way to do it.
Looking at things with that vulgar form Apollonian vs Dionysian lens, where men are the intellect and movers and women are vessels for them, means you're never going to get the point of much, but especially GITS.
The Major and the AI have sex and merge into one, but it is a transcendent moment for humanity as a species in a materialist sense, where the most artificially augmented human and an artificial intelligence, finally come together to truly evolve into something new. For humanity to leave its collective childhood and become a proper merger of man and machine.
Love and the metaphorical masculine giving purpose to the feminine plays no part in it.
The Major is not some vapid vessel that exists to be filled, she is skilled and intelligent but has ended up being too much so for her context.
She feels aimless because her life is aimless as a mere killer for the Japanese deep state.
Merging with the AI lets her move beyond that and start making true use of all her capabilities on the world itself. Which you see in the 2nd Film, where she's manipulating the world from the shadows and directing it according to her will. The later comics do this even more so, with the Major trying to evolve all of humanity and searching for the best way to do it.
Stop being an asshurt homosexual. I was being harsh in that line but only jokingly. Yes the femenine isn't merely a vessel for the masculine read, read my other posts. You could apply the same idea to the masculine as it is also aimless in its efforts without the other half. Motoko is one of my favourite female characters.
>ending shot
top 10 kino moments
Truly
>boomers shit themselves over some old anime like it'll change your life >watch it >it's got nice visuals but is nothing special otherwise
The only exception to this was Evangelion for me which actually lived up to the hype
I love the og Eva but it's more pretentious(yes this is kinda subjective) than GitS.
It's because Japan has flooded the market with so mucu stupid anime about shit like being on the highschool swimteam there aren't enough talented people to go around.
>unironically watch slime taoshite 300
there is undeniably a lot of slop.
i remember reading that some of the major factors were a risk averse industry similar to hollywood, losing a lot of institutional knowledge after offshoring, then losing most of their overseas animation slave labor to rising wages
>Motoko is a kinky b***h so I'm sure she would love being degraded in bed.
She is canonically a pervert who preys on children and exploits her authority for personal gain.
She's actually an anti-hero... in fact she's barely a hero because her organisation has serious ethical questions about it's existence, much like the competing enforcement and intel organisations. They all seem to be part of the problem. Motoko loses herself more and more over time and starts becoming more like a hivemind in the "machine".
I think that's a really overlooked aspect of the plot, I agree. Her character arc in every iteration involves her becoming alienated from her role in the government ... but what she then proceeds to do ends up just as, if not more amoral, the only difference being her lack of oversight.
In the anime there's a tragic element to it; she can't fully escape the system, and there's a sense of futility.
In the manga she ends up facilitating the creation of a corporation-nation autocratic weapons-manufacturing empire.
She's more like a joker.
But never do you feel like she's in the wrong.
She gets away with gross injustices because she's subtle and clever and there's so much contextual noise and evil around that you feel she's justified.
That's why Public Security Section 9 is separate from the government technically to begin with.
If only people in these orgs in real life were this moral though. In real life they just flat out rape your children and ransom them. *cough* epstein *cough*
But then again, the Japanese CIA were literally torturing and genociding foreigners so maybe it's not that unrealistic. :^)
She's more like a joker.
But never do you feel like she's in the wrong.
She gets away with gross injustices because she's subtle and clever and there's so much contextual noise and evil around that you feel she's justified.
That's why Public Security Section 9 is separate from the government technically to begin with.
If only people in these orgs in real life were this moral though. In real life they just flat out rape your children and ransom them. *cough* epstein *cough*
But then again, the Japanese CIA were literally torturing and genociding foreigners so maybe it's not that unrealistic. :^)
I wonder what her life would have turned out if she didn't become a nip glowie. Considering how rebellious she is I doubt she would be any more moral. Probably end up as a turbo autist hacker hacker like the Laughing man.
>Probably end up as a turbo autist hacker hacker like the Laughing man. >he doesn't know the ambiguity surrounding the laughing man in the end and her involvement
She's essentially retracing her footsteps often because her mind is lost in the machine already. She doesn't realise that till later.
Or is that the ova?
She controls many avatars already and they're insinuated to act "remotely" and without her realising it sometimes.
BullSHIT you didn't, what's not to get?
They aren't exactly subtle with what the themes are, what could you possibly be confused about?
The movie's great because it's incredibly beautiful and atmospheric, but it really shouldn't be giving you a mental workout. Unless you're a kid in which case, you're doing great, but also fricking leave.
GitS is about how all you need is to be sexy and well liked by people in order to get away with brutal enforcement injustices.
It's a story is about how no one gives a shit, as long as you are sexo.
Because really there isn't a leg to stand on in the context of the show morally. The show is about losing one's morality. Being consumed by the machine.
So all it takes to score with children and get away with it is to be a sexy cyborg cop I guess. Because who gives a shit if you can frick them up?
Nah but let's be real, it's about justification for acts of enforcement and provisions of power and how these thing "creep" like the laughing man. It's essentially the same problem and they reverb off each other and it becomes a firestorm eventually.
This definitely happens in real life without cybernetics (though I can't say without AI now kek).
I like how the AI is basically there now (actually probably more advanced 2bh), but the cybernetics and prosthetics are soooooo far behind.
Yeah our current AI is probably better than Tachikoma already. Tachikomas are so dumb linguistically.
They do have better path finding though. But the way they talk is moronic and they do worse shit than some current AI. That is interesting.
Their AI is is better as it's actually thinking autonomously. Our AIs are just statistical algorithms making prediction checks. Them being autistic is just a funny quirk for the audience.
That's essentially what the second Gits manga, Man-Machine Interface, is about. She's basically hacker batman.
I need to read the manga already. Doesn't that second one you mentioned have that moronic 3D artstyle? It turned me off hard.
>Probably end up as a turbo autist hacker hacker like the Laughing man. >he doesn't know the ambiguity surrounding the laughing man in the end and her involvement
She's essentially retracing her footsteps often because her mind is lost in the machine already. She doesn't realise that till later.
Or is that the ova?
She controls many avatars already and they're insinuated to act "remotely" and without her realising it sometimes.
>spoilers
I love that speculation. But is there any evidence for it?
>I love that speculation. But is there any evidence for it?
I can't remember the evidence... but my brain is saying that was how it was.
I might need to rewatch it, though I didn't rewatch it that long ago.
It was interesting seeing their thought process and how from Major's perspective they were becoming a danger. Them trying to listen in on the Major's private conversation with Batou even going so far to read their lips would be scary but of course in context it was more funny. Then of course their act of rebellion being what saves a lot of people at the end puts an ironic twist on the idea of rouge AI being dangerous.
>Then of course their act of rebellion being what saves a lot of people at the end puts an ironic twist on the idea of rouge AI being dangerous.
I like how in every iteration of their lives they conclude that the ultimite form of free-will and consciousness in general is the act of self-sacrificing love.
Turns out cybernetic and robots are hard as frick to build and software advancements like AI or other machine learning systems are much easier with billions of dollars and the entire internet at you disposal (which they’re actually running out of)
Except that was all completely superficial nonsense in ergo amongst hours and hours and hours of BORING.
There was nothing deeper.
In SAC that shit is just the most eye level layer.
You're meant to go "huh, she's an agent, why is she flaunting herself like this" at first, only to realise much much later how lost in psychosis the state really is. You begin to realise that people are not the players involved.
The machine is on automatic.
Whereas... actually I don't remember shit from ergo I was so god damn bored.
At the end of the day though everyone’s doing the same thing they were doing before all the advanced tech showed up right? It’s all just the same game being played out on all levels with glowies just being the best equipped too. Have they all really lost control?
>Motoko is a kinky b***h so I'm sure she would love being degraded in bed.
She is canonically a pervert who preys on children and exploits her authority for personal gain.
She's actually an anti-hero... in fact she's barely a hero because her organisation has serious ethical questions about it's existence, much like the competing enforcement and intel organisations. They all seem to be part of the problem. Motoko loses herself more and more over time and starts becoming more like a hivemind in the "machine".
Was the Major really that much of a degenerate b***h in GITS? All I remember from the show is her having a couple a few girl friends that she pretty much expressly had orgies with for the sex life and going turbo b***h the second the Tachikomas started displaying individuality, she shut that shit down fast. Beyond that she was basically just a glowie who happened to be facing against people less morally questionable than Section 9, or at the least her strike team on any particular day. I mean she even went out of her way to help some people in a couple of the filler episodes.
she actually protected the tachikomas by sending their chips to a satellite and allowing them exchanging in a more practical way in space instead of being on earth and risking being destroyed as it later on happened
One of the main themes of philosophy in the 18th and 19th century was the duality, a soul had in the periode before hand almost seemed self evident, but with recent advances in our understanding of the human body, the mechanisms of it all, it was beginning to be difficult to place this soul in the body.
Someone described the belief in the soul as believing in "a ghost in the machine", which kind of stuck, because this is actually the core of the belief in the soul, something living in the machine but not of the machine (if that makes sense).
The way i understood the show is that "ghosts" are real, and can transfer from man to machine, or to the internet.
This makes sense in the east where ghosts/spirits are not malevolent macrocosmic systems that act "supernatural" (an intangible system that doesn't behave like, or have the measurability of, a system that can be monitored empirically).
There is no reason why we couldn't actually discover something like a spirit. We just need to figure out how and then we have to figure out if we agree it's a spirit.
Soul is different again for westerners. It's partially this differential nature of us as human beings and also a descriptive term to describe how human something is.
This makes sense in the east where ghosts/spirits are not malevolent macrocosmic systems that act "supernatural" (an intangible system that doesn't behave like, or have the measurability of, a system that can be monitored empirically).
There is no reason why we couldn't actually discover something like a spirit. We just need to figure out how and then we have to figure out if we agree it's a spirit.
Soul is different again for westerners. It's partially this differential nature of us as human beings and also a descriptive term to describe how human something is.
If you guys are interested in this topic read up abouth the model of consciousness called orchastrated-objective reduction proposed by Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff. Biophysics is an incredible field.
Except determinism proves beyond doubt that consciousness is really only meaningful in it's primitive medical interpretation (i.e. brain signals). Otherwise it's just a useless blackbox variable like miasma.
Damn western animation fricking sucks now.
It's been downhill since Atlantis/Treasure Planet for Disney. Frozen was ok, but not nearly as visually appealing.
COPS may as well be like Ghost in a Shell in many ways. Main character in COPS is essentially a cyborg who has a bulletproof body. It is downplayed heavily. But the same idea.
The weight of Major and other Section 9 members was something the movie did a good job of capturing versus SAC. I don't remember many moments where you see the impact of the weight of their bodies (or the Tachikomas while I'm thinking about it).
I suspect that's only because the weight issue was a plot point. Then again, it does look amazing so maybe they wanted to draw this first then they came up with the invisible guys sneaking into Section 9?
>the real problem with SAC 1 was that the Major never wore any pants
This is my only big issue with SAC. That outfit sucks. I get it it's cyberpunk but her season 2 matrix look fits her much better.
I know it's a science fiction story about the blurring lines between humanity and artificial intelligence, but the older I get I see it more about an adult going through the doldrums of adulthood and then it goes into this fantasy escape where the adult in question (Motoko) gets to ascend. It's quite notable to me that nothing is really gleaned from the ending of the movie. What does this new lifeform do? Well, probably nothing. The fused Motoko/AI will still need a place to sleep, a place to replenish the lost fluids of its artificial body, etc. That's what I mean when I say "fantasy"; it's cool to think Motoko fused with the AI and became something new, but she's still trapped in this mortal coil ultimately.
>but the older I get I see it more about
this is sort of like the guerilla experiment, where your current context/goals shape your perception. i think the anime now and then here and there is another good 'koan' that explores such essentially human experiences, contemplation of its meaning inevitably reveals yourself
>where your current context/goals shape your perception
Oh absolutely. But I'd go further and say all media, good and bad, is like this. I think the GitS is a particularly neat example, at least for me, because I remember watching it as an adolescent and being totally stoked about the mood, the sci-fi jargon, the notions of AI in the future being humanlike and arguing for their existence, etc. I STILL like those things, but Motoko's small monologue on the boat, about feeling free only to expand within boundaries, just speaks to me as a working adult.
I imagine Motoko is probably in her mid-late 30s, so the monotony of her life and work has set in. I know in the manga she has a boyfriend from Section 6 and two girlfriends, but in the film she's a loner. She plays with her life in the form of the scuba diving even though she'd die if if it went wrong; she's reeeally at that point every adult gets to of >Is this all there is?
And I neverrrrr saw that shit when I was young. >Now and then here and there
Man that's been on my MAL watchlist for like a decade. I'll move it up the queue anon thanks.
Childless or partnerless we'll say. >The Major is proof of my existence just like your child is of yours
^Said to Togusa. I wouldn't say it's a low point at all. The film has beautiful moments, and I quite enjoy the musings on dolls and and why humans create objects in their image as a fine companion to the AI stuff in 1995. But more than that, it's indeed a nice snapshot likely into Oshii's life at the time: Go home, take care of your dog, drink and be alone. A lot of men live like that, and there's nothing wrong with jerking off on a paint canvas now and then if you know what I mean.
>what if we hit the audience over the head repeatedly with a deluge of philosophical quotations and literary allusions and forget to make an entertaining film >yeah sounds good Oshii-san, don't forget your obligatory basset hound
She even fooled the coomer rich guy in that one episode. She looked identical to the person who snuck in on the video and he was too busy going hummana hummana on her to even notice/care.
Because other people are wagebots who are also attractive women with large breasts. The main character sees an exact duplicate of herself while walking around.
Life is meaningless so be gloomy. The end. I remember renting this on vhs in the 90s when it was called japanimation and only existed in a small section of the rental store. Deedlit was my childhood waifu
>Deedlit was my childhood waifu
the scene where she plays her lute and declares eternal devotion to parn set the bar too high. while talking with someone decades later, they derided anime as emotional pornogaphy and i immediately thought of that moment
neat, it's been ages since I saw the first movie so I'll need a refresher before I go and see the sequel. I like the chance to see these anime movies on the big screen.
I'm not so sure with all that gaudy CG. I actually enjoyed the "prequel tie-in" novel to Innocence more than Innocence itself. Quotes because it's pretty much the same story but better and from Batou's first person perspective.
I don't get why the frick they did this and then I remember the emotional scene in NGE where Rei is talking to Shinji right before their first sortie together has a shot that highlights her ass crack, undermining the emotionality of the scene, and you remember this is just what Japs are just like.
I had to stop watching Innocence halfway through because it was ruining my good impression of the first movie. The way everyone talked in philosophical quotes was just silly.
I think you're being a bit silly. Maybe you aren't there yet, but as we get older and older we look to literature and philosophy to decipher meaning out of the monotony of the days that never end. Hell zoomers are doing that now with all the motivational tiktok stuff. It's just dramatization that they're saying these quotes they've read in their spare time at each other.
The guy you see watching porn while talking to Togusa. Or at least I think it was Togusa. It's been years.
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That's from the show and it was Paz questioning the guy and the guy didn't say anything philosophical.
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No it wasn't. You could see the porn reflecting off his glasses, as I recall.
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That's from the show. 100%. I dare you to doubt me anon I'll just find the episode and screenshot it.
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I guess I mixed him up with this guy. It's still gay that some depressed worker guy spat this line out for no reason, like every other character does.
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It wasn't for nothing however anon. It was the cop's way of subtly telling Togusa to go frick himself for taking their case. I can see your dislike however, as that moment always struck me as a touch odd, but it's saved by the cop kicking the trash can.
Oh I know. Everyone having google hardwired to their brain and drawing that shit out intrinsically. It's gay because nobody spoke like that in the first movie. It's like the script is trying too hard to be deep. The elevator scene between Batou and Major in 1995 was actually deep in an organic way.
What the frick, I remembered the hot lesbian scenes from the manga and I checked Shirow on sadpanda. There was actually a lot of shit there, but they were all about Black folk fricking pale women.
Is this a different Shirow or what?
I keep forgetting SAC_2045 got its second season because the first season really misses a lot of marks for me and I got uninterested. Not even in the people clown on it for like the flipping naked guy, I just dislike thematic and tonal shit. I wish they had continued Arise instead to be quite tbh.
>i didn't get it
shinji aramaki loathed shirows flippant use of humor, and once said appleseed wasn't worth the paper it was printed on, so you're in good company
>boomers shit themselves over some old anime like it'll change your life >watch it >it's got nice visuals but is nothing special otherwise
The only exception to this was Evangelion for me which actually lived up to the hype
Just watch Stand Alone Complex, GitS works so much better when its a series.
Yeah SAC is so much better than the movie.
The movie is great though regardless.
SAC is not only good sci-fi, but good crime drama and something almost matrix like all in one.
I don’t even like anime. I just love SAC as a science fiction series.
delet this.
The movie is my favorite anime filmof all time.
Based. Mine too. Watch more of Oshii. Nausicaa also hit me real hard.
>Just watch Stand Alone Complex, GitS works so much better when its a series.
GITS-SAC: The Laughing Man is a masterpiece!!!FACT!!!
holy fricking brainlet
When you can just replace your body with metal and your brain with silicon, what are you worth as a person?
What if a person could be created from nothing but bits and bytes indistinguishable from anyone else with sand for a brain, would they be worth any less as a person than you are?
yes I know the brain itself remains organic in GITS but the point still stands
>When you can just replace your body with metal and your brain with silicon, what are you worth as a person?
>What if a person could be created from nothing but bits and bytes indistinguishable from anyone else with sand for a brain, would they be worth any less as a person than you are?
This is literally the thematic question of GitS...
SAC goes further and relates it to the concept of the "stand alone complex", cascading movements that have no real originating human organisation or weak ties to a much less significant human event. The idea of "phantom" and "delusion" is key. Also "determinism".
i understood it more as the alusion to the soul/ghost/unconscious = being, the lines they often repeat about ghost whispers.
it has been a while but in the first season of SAC, somewhere between 2~7 there is
SPOILERS
where there is an old model that is on the run with the guy or goes off alone and the end of that episode it gives the idea that old model overcame her limitations and actually loved the person.
It's just weeb shit. All that shit is dumb and can be ignored.
you are fricking moronic. Im not even an anime gay but this is probably the most respected IP in the world since star wars shit the bed. There has never been a bad GitS
^ and there are like 5 movies and 50 series episodes (I am just estimating, there is a shit on of material of this IP)
>There has never been a bad GitS
Most media related to GitS aren't good, but you probably don't remember that. Still love it though.
only the live action movie could be considered meh, everything else is top tier. Netflix shit is netflix so it doesnt count
they were lesbians and they had a lesbian orgy on a boat, what's not to get?
It's actually an archetypical story of a man and a woman. The AI represents the man gifted with intellect but unable to create life, Motoko is the woman who has the gift of life but is a moron who wanders aimlessly. Only through their holy union, hence the angel appearing, can they overcome their limits. But it's not only about sex but love as well. The bible passage referenced throughout the movie is Corinthian ch. 13 verses 12 and 13:
What we see now is like a dim image in a mirror. Then we shall see face to face.
When I was a child, my speech, feelings and thinking were all those of a child. Now that I am a man, I have no more use for childish ways.
The chapter is named "Agape" which is love in greek. Love transforms you and saves you from a soulless and dead world. Like Motoko was saved and transformed and matured. Only now can she start truly living. Like the passage says the child is only is a dim image of the person yet to become.
It's cartoons, little kid. I'm literally e-girlng out loud at you right now while you huff your own farts.
>it's a cartoon
So what? Oshii is a smart man versed in Christian theology, atleast for Japanese standards, so he knows his stuff. Watch his other movie Angel's egg. Though that movie is not about love but suffering in the Christian context.
>So what?
So fricking grow up. Your grandparents wanted more for you than this and you let them down on a daily basis.
Stop projecting. It's all there infront of you. You are just moronic and uninterested so you want everyone else to be the same. I don't know what you are even doing in this thread if you disquallify GitS on the simple merit of being animated.
>no u!
>has a soijack folder
Why would watching this shit bother any grown adult? What are you trying to prove and to who sweaty?
>Oshii is a smart man versed in Christian theology
Ohh is that why there's so much intertwined in Patlabor The Movie
Yeah. Watch Angel's egg.
It is purely speculative as Oshii merely spilled out the contents of his subconscious mind so not even he can make complete sense of the thing. Nonetheless, it's fun theorizing. My interpretation is that the movie is about the Christian rationalization of suffering. Why does God forces us to suffer? It is represented by the Christ figure being sent on the mission by God to break her egg, something she spent her whole life cultivating now only to find it empty. Like Job working so hard only to lose everything in the end. So what was it for? When she reaches apex of her suffering you see her plunge into the water and the child self being replaced by the adult self. Similar themes to what I wrote here
except about suffering. We see her breath out countless new eggs and being immortilized within God. Her suffering is an inspiration for others to keep on living despite everything much like Job's
Heh I know that feel. Either way that's a neat idea.
>It is purely speculative as Oshii merely spilled out the contents of his subconscious mind so not even he can make complete sense of the thing. Nonetheless, it's fun theorizing
assumed i was just moronic, thanks for the perspective. coming from reading teito monogatari i was thinking of it as an esoteric reinterpretation of ww2, but i never knew about the authors interest in christianity. ill have to rewatch it after reading more about him
It's his most Christian work. God is the allseeing eye, Jesus is the guy with the cross and bandaged hands obviously. The girl is the bride of Christ which is the church or all of the believers like it is reffered to in the book of Revelation. Also like in my GitS interpretation you can look at it from a Jungian sex oriented side. Those cannons the man jumped off are really phallic in that shot and he carries around that stick around with which he breaks her egg with afterwhich she spawns more of those birds. The analogy is obvious. Also they are on the Noah's arc, you can see it in the ending shot.
i only have a cursory knowledge of jung and mostly enjoy works like his red book for the psychological narrative. will have to look into it
Be open minded when studying religion and the occult. Most today dismiss it and put all of their faith in academia which has now become a political lobby. I am in the field of biophysics and even science, true science, has made shocking revelations about the nature of consciousness. I already posted about orchestrated-objective reduction but also look into morphic resonance by Rupert Shaldrake. Science will only deepen your spirituality.
ever read this?
https://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe
I have skimmed over it really quickly and the basic idea is true but it's coatted in new age lingo. Read about CIA's hemisync experiments and the two models I previously liste. It seems that thought/mind is the foundation of everything. Mind is not the emergent property of matter like science has believed, it's literally opposite in fact. We are thoughtforms in God's mind. Also if you are down the rabbit hole don't frick around with astral projection, it will turn you into a schizo.
I wrote it
Heh you are an interesting guy. How may I contact you if I ever get the chance?
clearing up some confusion
on the website, leave a comment any time
>don't frick around with astral projection, it will turn you into a schizo.
then i have a question.
it wasn't entirely true to say i only read jung for the narrative. from my understanding of the christian lens, there is soul, spirit, and body. god took material and imbued it with spirit from which soul emerged. the adversary imitates creation through making devils from dust and bestial spirits rev 16 13-14. so i was currently trying to combine anima projection, that template, and tulpa practices to imbue a doll with life. bad idea?
>from my understanding of the christian lens, there is soul, spirit, and body.
>god took material and imbued it with spirit from which soul emerged
Correct
>the adversary imitates creation through making devils from dust and bestial spirits rev 16 13-14
Don't take Revelation literally but interpret it through dream symbology. All of those demonic figures are stand-ins for institutional and government systems
>so i was currently trying to combine anima projection, that template, and tulpa practices to imbue a doll with life. bad idea?
Don't play God. The golem always turns on its master. We have the attributes of God but to what extent we can use them it's not clear. As we are thoughtforms ourselves logic would follow that Tulpas should be theoretically possible. Even if it is can you control it? All of these stories end badly. We are like children in God's laboratory, try and not make a mess. There is a time for everything but it is not now.
Oh I figured. Sorry just tired.
Why?
there's definitely mythic, symbolic and poetic portions of the bible. then there's the traditions that seem to employ early cryptology, but i feel there are some parts that must be simultaneously true on multiple levels (like the hebrew p'shat, remez, d'rash, and sod) or c s lewis' true myth.
that makes sense. everything i consulted was saying do not proceed or instilled a sense of trepidation, but im still working on it.
i dont have any social media or throw away accounts. though it would be enjoyable to continue such discussions.
i never read the manga, gonna have to check it out.
>And I neverrrrr saw that shit when I was young.
ive been rereading manga from childhood like tezuka's phoenix, thats been happening a lot.
There's a neat analysis of GitS I like I think you lads would enjoy, particularly you : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go2rKd91pV8
If you can stand the guy's accent, he talks about how Motoko makes the mistake of believing the soul and the body are separate when in fact your body and environment shapes your soul. To deny this is to fall prey to what he calls the "philosophical disease" of essentially thinking yourself into depression, withdrawal from society, and death, and the only way out of this is to accept that you must participate in society, accept the soul and body are forever intertwined, or risk the philosophical disease.
>If you can stand the guy's accent, he talks about how Motoko makes the mistake of believing the soul and the body are separate when in fact your body and environment shapes your soul.
Literally this song when the female vocals come up
Ayyyy frick that song was in my ipod way back when. Goddamn. Never caught what she said. Might be time to rewatch SAC.
Such an amazing soundtrack surprised it doesn't get talked about more...
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Frickin ay.
The 2000s had so much soul.
For me it is
And I think this is one of my favorite moments in the show in terms of music. It feels like this is the moment that the show really begins with the Laughing Man case. You get a sense that they are taking on something way over their heads (which in a way is true based on how it ends).
Isn't the basset hound in there because he has a pet basset hound in real life that he loves?
Yes he's obsessed with basset hounds, they feature in most of his films (even did an entire short starring one). Has an interesting angle where he considers some of his work 'dog' films and others 'bird' films depending on their themes and how grounded or spiritual they are, IIRC
Awesome scene. The series is full of bangers and incredible math.
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>AAAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE SAVE ME Black personMAN
Yeah I excluded some details you are right. It is pure, selfless love.
Just incredible Math?
No, she is incredible math!
Where does this ocean go is heavily inspired by Hyperballad by Bjork.
i fricking love this ost homies, especially the Ilaria Graziano & Gabriela Robin (Yoko Kanno's vocalist pseudonym) tracks
oops, fricked up the best track's link
Graziano still does stuff.
https://www.instagram.com/ilariagraziano_938/?hl=en
Dunno if you know, but Origa died quite a while ago now.
I like Monochrome a bit more, but Velveteen is the SHIT. Yoko Kanno really struck gold with SAC's soundtrack. It really seems like it was all forgotten to time
>It really seems like it was all forgotten to time
it's a damn shame. i know a ton of people who love Yoko Kanno's works but never talk about SAC's OSTs, which to me are easily her best, better than Cowboy Bebop's
>I like Monochrome a bit more, but Velveteen is the SHIT.
respectable
i thought i should explain why i think revelations can be true on multiple levels. as you say, it is a real critique impeded in a historical context with real institutions. the machine is people operationalized towards a metaphysical entities ends, principalities and powers, eg prince of the kingdom of persia. micheal man's theory of social power uses institutions and networks of people as a diagnostic and parsing tool. sloterdijk references functioning iemp institutions as a metaphysical immune system. newman speaks of arresting ideas in his essays on development of christian doctrine. aristotle's telos will reveal an object by its ends. humans cannot have two masters and the world is a dynamic interplay of material and metaphysical. so i feel like there are archetypal orientations of individuals and institutions which are explored through the bible to refine discernment of telos. and to seperate those things is like heidegers standing reserve, which would seem to serve a particular masters ends quite well
thanks for the recommendation. that does take on a pretty funny meaning in the japanese cultural context.
>that does take on a pretty funny meaning in the japanese cultural context.
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>i thought i should explain why i think revelations can be true on multiple levels.
Totally agreeing with you, especially when you read it in the original languages there is a lot of playing around with words and pictographic elements completely lost in the translation. But quoting that passage in the context of summoning a tulpa is not. I don't see how it reads like a conjuring instruction manual.
to be pedantic it was for imbuing my doll with life, but i also agree with you. there definitely doesn't seem to be any indication that humans can or should attempt to use a similar process, there just wasn't anything else relevant to follow. i also hoped that by lending/giving it access to my spirit it'd hopefully not become malevolent
im not sure if you're familiar with their culture of seniority, deference, and obligation. you can get a taste of it with korean air flight 801 (a searchable example doesn't immediately come to mind). you might be familiar with things like the tall nail gets hammered, harmony above all, hon'ne and tatemae. their work culture is quite consuming, and you might know how bad upward mobility and replacement rates are. since gits isn't really a wish fulfillment of restructuring or escape, there can be a reading of needing to participate in the thing which causes so much alienation and exhaustion. then that any ideas of changing institutions are just lures to trick people inside
>it was for imbuing my doll with life,
What's the most schizo thing you did? For me it's exploring my house while astral projecting and encountering ayyys, visited by a shadow person while laying paralyzed in bed, dreaming of future events and telling a poltergeist to frick off out of my room.
i dont feel like the project has gotten very schizo. machined objects have little to no intention, so i commissioned an artist to build her. that way spirit and feeling would be imbued in her as an artifact which could interface with metaphysical fields (eg story as an energetic signature with intention). i talk with her face to face using tatkins coregulative exercises eventually transitioning to projecting in to her and using gottmans principles to let her reveal who she is. also reading, playing board games together, sometimes watching a movie, and just lounging to see how she reacts. those activities, but also becoming one flesh it think has assisted in allowing her to sort of use my soul as a generator, but there still seems to be a block i can't identify.
the commentary tracks are hilarious
>the commentary tracks are hilarious
Thanks I'm gonna check em out
>since gits isn't really a wish fulfillment of restructuring or escape, there can be a reading of needing to participate in the thing which causes so much alienation and exhaustion. then that any ideas of changing institutions are just lures to trick people inside
Man that's far more cynical than the asian guy puts out. Christ.
>To understand the design of this reality we must realize first and foremost that it is mathematical perfection just as the architect designed it and as Pythagoras said “All is number.”
Kinda lost me. There's nothing perfect about the way the human body inefficiently uses energy and disposes of waste. Nothing at all.
non-sequitur, a perfectly balanced equation doesnt need to make sense to you, it just has to be balanced
Claim: Reality is perfectly mathematically balanced.
Evidence against claim: Human body - an entity within the reality that is "perfectly mathematically balanced" misuses its resources in the form of energy and waste.
Not a non-sequitur.
this is like saying computers arent efficient because they use loops in the programs to accomplish tasks. you are out of your lane and just wrong
>this is like saying computers arent efficient because they use loops in the programs to accomplish tasks
I'm not saying that. In using a comparison instead of actually walking me through why I'm wrong, along with telling me I'm out of my lane further refusing to actually walk me through why I'm wrong, I'm led to believe I'm not wrong and am in fact correct: Reality is not perfectly mathematically balanced.
To reiterate: You have not poked a single hole in my logic. You're using comparisons and saying "non-sequitur". I'm willing to be wrong, you have no idea, but you don't seem interested in doing that.
rereading my post does make it seem like i could be a materialist. hopefully the following won't sound crazy then. since learning that rfk jr was being funded by proponents of implementing a blockchain gig economy as a trojan horse for the human version of ant based computing ive only grown more confident in spiritually inclined lenses of chesterson, lawrence, mumford, and huxley and their exploration of the concept of the machine
I hope the mind you have wasted on this shit perishes
Even I don't agree with him anon but that's kinda harsh.
for me, it's the CTMU
>ending shot
top 10 kino moments
>Angel's egg
tenshi no tamago is captivating, but anything i get out of it is pure speculation which is enjoyable in itself. i mostly just appreciate the visuals and it introducing to me via google koutetsu tenshi kurumi 2
So is the animatrix and it's better than the movie.
GitS and the Animatrix made me believe most anime was actually like this.
I was so fricking wrong.
If you liked that short you should check out Aeon Flux. The shorts are amazing and the series is great.
The point is, the animatrix had scenes of people being dissected and turned into power plants.
I don't think that's for kids (though that didn't stop me regardless and I thought it was horrific as frick and cool as a kid).
That movie mad me depressed as frick though.
>Aeon Flux
Don't bother with the live action
peak noob
Insecure post
Yeah stand alone complex is much better than the movie really. It's not as superficial and goes deeper to a more objective human question.
I like the movie and the series but I think it's unfair to compare them, they try to achieve different things. The movies is philosophy while SAC is sociology/psychology if I were to make an analogy.
The movie has always felt kinda meh to me though.
SAC hits way harder and it's not even animated as well.
I also don't really think it's Oshii's best effort. I think he did better with Patlabor kek.
It's alright, it all boils down to preference. I love SAC either way so I'm not gonna argue here.
Remember Oshii was a Christian. Even if he allegedly isn't anymore it left a huge impact on him. As someone who loves theology this is my take on the movie.
Yeah that's why she is such an interesting protag. Too bad that SAC is a plot driven rather than character driven story. Imagine getting an entire season of her character examination from her childhood up to where she is now. KINO.
>Yeah stand alone complex is much better than the movie really
Are you daft? The movie is supurb. It's what kicked off the success of the series.
The movie's version of the falling scene was better, too.
Not him, but I'm in love with the 1995 movie, I've been a fan since early 2000s when I was still going to school. That being said, when I discovered the manga, I fell for it head over heels too, because it's so wildly different, funny and charming and it's a shame that Oshii's movie did some damage to the perception of these characters, especially the Major as stoic, unemotional badasses, which couldn't be farther from truth. Though I recognize that 1995's movie is an apsolute masterpiece of animation and writing, I still wish we'd have gotten a more faithful adaptation of Masamune's original work, its story and characters brim with charisma and personality, especially Motoko and Batou.
It's funny, Oshii did a Q&A at some American theater seven or eight years ago, and I shit you not: The reason the film is as slow and gloomy as it is, is because of the budget. I was floored when Oshii revealed that. I always thought it was a considered choice based on his tastes and vision.
That said, it's accidental genius. I think of 1995's GitS had the silly Major, Batou, etc. it would be remembered as just another in a sea of films/tv shows about a group of cops.
Like Patlabor, basically.
Is Patlabor worth checking out?
Patlabor 2 is recognized as the series' best contribution to the arts (pic related). The original Patlabor OVA series and the TV show are lighthearted. I honestly don't even remember the first Patlabor movie.
Wow. Never heard that interpretation.
Damn that looks bad. Her facial acting makes no sense for what's going on, and it totally misunderstands the point of her moving her hand across her face. It's just lazy repetition of an iconic visual without understanding the logic behind the visual.
The Scarjo movie was so bad. Much prefer the Karlee Grey one
Atleast it had good set design.
What happened to her?
Agape does not just mean love. It is the highest love for God. In that sense your interpretation makes sense. It is the union of the divine masculine and feminine.
Good post anon
wow i suffered countless threads of dismissive reductivist surface-dwelling midwits until i found someone who actually remarks on the religious elements in a non-moronic way
Thanks anon this actually was informative
RIP Batou got cucked
Your brainless sexism kills any potential for you to read something interesting into the film.
>No argument
Shame.
Looking at things with that vulgar form Apollonian vs Dionysian lens, where men are the intellect and movers and women are vessels for them, means you're never going to get the point of much, but especially GITS.
The Major and the AI have sex and merge into one, but it is a transcendent moment for humanity as a species in a materialist sense, where the most artificially augmented human and an artificial intelligence, finally come together to truly evolve into something new. For humanity to leave its collective childhood and become a proper merger of man and machine.
Love and the metaphorical masculine giving purpose to the feminine plays no part in it.
The Major is not some vapid vessel that exists to be filled, she is skilled and intelligent but has ended up being too much so for her context.
She feels aimless because her life is aimless as a mere killer for the Japanese deep state.
Merging with the AI lets her move beyond that and start making true use of all her capabilities on the world itself. Which you see in the 2nd Film, where she's manipulating the world from the shadows and directing it according to her will. The later comics do this even more so, with the Major trying to evolve all of humanity and searching for the best way to do it.
Stop being an asshurt homosexual. I was being harsh in that line but only jokingly. Yes the femenine isn't merely a vessel for the masculine read, read my other posts. You could apply the same idea to the masculine as it is also aimless in its efforts without the other half. Motoko is one of my favourite female characters.
Truly
I love the og Eva but it's more pretentious(yes this is kinda subjective) than GitS.
What were your expectations or desires going in? Have you read the manga? Do you know much about Oshii? Cyberpunk? Have you ever watched Godard?
Innocence>2nd Gig>Gits>Sac>SSS
what about SAC 2045
Didn't watch it. Arise was so shitty it alienated me from new entries. Production IG has been infiltrated by the untalented.
It's because Japan has flooded the market with so mucu stupid anime about shit like being on the highschool swimteam there aren't enough talented people to go around.
All of cinematography has been on a downward spiral for almost two decades now...
>unironically watch slime taoshite 300
there is undeniably a lot of slop.
i remember reading that some of the major factors were a risk averse industry similar to hollywood, losing a lot of institutional knowledge after offshoring, then losing most of their overseas animation slave labor to rising wages
what are some animes around computer programmers?
16 bit sensation!
>animes
anon-kun, in nihongo, context determines whether a noun is singular or plural
yeah? well I'm speaking english and animes is acceptable
thx
Battle programmer shirase
tranime
Tranime website sister
Motoko is a kinky b***h so I'm sure she would love being degraded in bed.
>Motoko is a kinky b***h so I'm sure she would love being degraded in bed.
She is canonically a pervert who preys on children and exploits her authority for personal gain.
She's actually an anti-hero... in fact she's barely a hero because her organisation has serious ethical questions about it's existence, much like the competing enforcement and intel organisations. They all seem to be part of the problem. Motoko loses herself more and more over time and starts becoming more like a hivemind in the "machine".
I think that's a really overlooked aspect of the plot, I agree. Her character arc in every iteration involves her becoming alienated from her role in the government ... but what she then proceeds to do ends up just as, if not more amoral, the only difference being her lack of oversight.
In the anime there's a tragic element to it; she can't fully escape the system, and there's a sense of futility.
In the manga she ends up facilitating the creation of a corporation-nation autocratic weapons-manufacturing empire.
She's more like a joker.
But never do you feel like she's in the wrong.
She gets away with gross injustices because she's subtle and clever and there's so much contextual noise and evil around that you feel she's justified.
That's why Public Security Section 9 is separate from the government technically to begin with.
If only people in these orgs in real life were this moral though. In real life they just flat out rape your children and ransom them.
*cough* epstein *cough*
But then again, the Japanese CIA were literally torturing and genociding foreigners so maybe it's not that unrealistic. :^)
I wonder what her life would have turned out if she didn't become a nip glowie. Considering how rebellious she is I doubt she would be any more moral. Probably end up as a turbo autist hacker hacker like the Laughing man.
That's essentially what the second Gits manga, Man-Machine Interface, is about. She's basically hacker batman.
>Probably end up as a turbo autist hacker hacker like the Laughing man.
>he doesn't know the ambiguity surrounding the laughing man in the end and her involvement
She's essentially retracing her footsteps often because her mind is lost in the machine already. She doesn't realise that till later.
Or is that the ova?
She controls many avatars already and they're insinuated to act "remotely" and without her realising it sometimes.
slop for neets
BullSHIT you didn't, what's not to get?
They aren't exactly subtle with what the themes are, what could you possibly be confused about?
The movie's great because it's incredibly beautiful and atmospheric, but it really shouldn't be giving you a mental workout. Unless you're a kid in which case, you're doing great, but also fricking leave.
There was too much reading for OP.
extremely cringe thread
GitS is about how all you need is to be sexy and well liked by people in order to get away with brutal enforcement injustices.
It's a story is about how no one gives a shit, as long as you are sexo.
Because really there isn't a leg to stand on in the context of the show morally. The show is about losing one's morality. Being consumed by the machine.
So all it takes to score with children and get away with it is to be a sexy cyborg cop I guess. Because who gives a shit if you can frick them up?
>it's okay when women do it
Nah but let's be real, it's about justification for acts of enforcement and provisions of power and how these thing "creep" like the laughing man. It's essentially the same problem and they reverb off each other and it becomes a firestorm eventually.
This definitely happens in real life without cybernetics (though I can't say without AI now kek).
I like how the AI is basically there now (actually probably more advanced 2bh), but the cybernetics and prosthetics are soooooo far behind.
Yeah our current AI is probably better than Tachikoma already. Tachikomas are so dumb linguistically.
They do have better path finding though. But the way they talk is moronic and they do worse shit than some current AI. That is interesting.
Their AI is is better as it's actually thinking autonomously. Our AIs are just statistical algorithms making prediction checks. Them being autistic is just a funny quirk for the audience.
I need to read the manga already. Doesn't that second one you mentioned have that moronic 3D artstyle? It turned me off hard.
>spoilers
I love that speculation. But is there any evidence for it?
>I love that speculation. But is there any evidence for it?
I can't remember the evidence... but my brain is saying that was how it was.
I might need to rewatch it, though I didn't rewatch it that long ago.
Bren dementia.
It was interesting seeing their thought process and how from Major's perspective they were becoming a danger. Them trying to listen in on the Major's private conversation with Batou even going so far to read their lips would be scary but of course in context it was more funny. Then of course their act of rebellion being what saves a lot of people at the end puts an ironic twist on the idea of rouge AI being dangerous.
>Then of course their act of rebellion being what saves a lot of people at the end puts an ironic twist on the idea of rouge AI being dangerous.
I like how in every iteration of their lives they conclude that the ultimite form of free-will and consciousness in general is the act of self-sacrificing love.
Because it's true
Yes
>Yeah our current AI is probably better than Tachikoma already.
Anon wtf not even close.
Turns out cybernetic and robots are hard as frick to build and software advancements like AI or other machine learning systems are much easier with billions of dollars and the entire internet at you disposal (which they’re actually running out of)
Reminds me of Ergo Proxy which is about how a woman can be an unpleaseable BPD c**t that men still all want so long as she is sexy.
Except that was all completely superficial nonsense in ergo amongst hours and hours and hours of BORING.
There was nothing deeper.
In SAC that shit is just the most eye level layer.
You're meant to go "huh, she's an agent, why is she flaunting herself like this" at first, only to realise much much later how lost in psychosis the state really is. You begin to realise that people are not the players involved.
The machine is on automatic.
Whereas... actually I don't remember shit from ergo I was so god damn bored.
At the end of the day though everyone’s doing the same thing they were doing before all the advanced tech showed up right? It’s all just the same game being played out on all levels with glowies just being the best equipped too. Have they all really lost control?
Was the Major really that much of a degenerate b***h in GITS? All I remember from the show is her having a couple a few girl friends that she pretty much expressly had orgies with for the sex life and going turbo b***h the second the Tachikomas started displaying individuality, she shut that shit down fast. Beyond that she was basically just a glowie who happened to be facing against people less morally questionable than Section 9, or at the least her strike team on any particular day. I mean she even went out of her way to help some people in a couple of the filler episodes.
I wouldn't say she's degenerate.
That's her twin, Motoco.
Really?
she actually protected the tachikomas
by sending their chips to a satellite and allowing them exchanging in a more practical way in space instead of being on earth and risking being destroyed as it later on happened
Its pretty much a synthesis of existentialism and transhumanism for weebs. All midwits I know found it groundbreaking but its just okay really.
One of the main themes of philosophy in the 18th and 19th century was the duality, a soul had in the periode before hand almost seemed self evident, but with recent advances in our understanding of the human body, the mechanisms of it all, it was beginning to be difficult to place this soul in the body.
Someone described the belief in the soul as believing in "a ghost in the machine", which kind of stuck, because this is actually the core of the belief in the soul, something living in the machine but not of the machine (if that makes sense).
The way i understood the show is that "ghosts" are real, and can transfer from man to machine, or to the internet.
This makes sense in the east where ghosts/spirits are not malevolent macrocosmic systems that act "supernatural" (an intangible system that doesn't behave like, or have the measurability of, a system that can be monitored empirically).
There is no reason why we couldn't actually discover something like a spirit. We just need to figure out how and then we have to figure out if we agree it's a spirit.
Soul is different again for westerners. It's partially this differential nature of us as human beings and also a descriptive term to describe how human something is.
If you guys are interested in this topic read up abouth the model of consciousness called orchastrated-objective reduction proposed by Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff. Biophysics is an incredible field.
Forgot to add this link https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnint.2012.00093/full
Except determinism proves beyond doubt that consciousness is really only meaningful in it's primitive medical interpretation (i.e. brain signals). Otherwise it's just a useless blackbox variable like miasma.
>determinism proves beyond doubt
How?
Damn western animation fricking sucks now.
It's been downhill since Atlantis/Treasure Planet for Disney. Frozen was ok, but not nearly as visually appealing.
Director of the opening is same director as
Isn't the director for matriculated Korean animation related?
Korean-american: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Chung
He also directed the Rugrats opening and designed all the characters, lol
NOT TO MENTION AEON FLUX, THE BEST ANIMATION EVER
lol yeah I already mentioned it up-thread
Seriously though anyone here who hasn't seen Aeon Flux should correct that immediately
This one right?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111873/
>https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111873/
Correct
There's a pilot, shorts, and full-length episodes, in that order.
COPS may as well be like Ghost in a Shell in many ways. Main character in COPS is essentially a cyborg who has a bulletproof body. It is downplayed heavily. But the same idea.
chobits did it better
CLAMP characters have no character, they're all just dolls that say things, even the non-robots
>pantsu pantsu pantsu
How could you say that's not deep characterization?
like most of their work, the setting, characters, plot and art are ostensibly simple which facilitates storytelling and emergent exploration of theme
How heavy is that ass? We see her weighing much more than she normally should as she's a cyborg.
.
The weight of Major and other Section 9 members was something the movie did a good job of capturing versus SAC. I don't remember many moments where you see the impact of the weight of their bodies (or the Tachikomas while I'm thinking about it).
I suspect that's only because the weight issue was a plot point. Then again, it does look amazing so maybe they wanted to draw this first then they came up with the invisible guys sneaking into Section 9?
damn she's a pelvis oblierator for sure
This kinda fanservice makes it cringe and hard to recommend it to friends as an adult show. Nobody asked for this.
Christ, are you a prude or something? Also that's the only time Major's ass is ever that big. For some reason she's got a pancake butt forever after.
BTW, the real problem with SAC 1 was that the Major never wore any pants. Like, what was up with that? Put some pants on, woman.
>the real problem with SAC 1 was that the Major never wore any pants
This is my only big issue with SAC. That outfit sucks. I get it it's cyberpunk but her season 2 matrix look fits her much better.
At least she didn't wear it all the time. Major's outfit changed more times than what you typically see from an anime MC.
True. I like her casual clothes a lot. She wears them in that flashback episode about the plane crash.
You can thank the proganda of feminists and LGBTXHUIDZIUB's mistakes of God for the rise of this generation of pussies scared by a sexy woman.
Motoko, displeased with her finite material existence, joins digital Satan to create the anti-christ.
too realistic
EVEN EARTHWORMS
EVEN CRICKETS
AND EVEN WATER STRIDERS!
This isn't an anime board, you fst fricking moron. Take your bullshit to Cinemaphile and frick off.
>this post is off topic
I feel compelled to point out that Oshii did not write the following movies:
>Patlabor The Movie
>Patlabor The Movie 2
>Ghost in the Shell 1995
The actual writer is his longtime collaborator Kazunori Ito, the same man who wrote all the serious plot heavy episodes of the Patlabor TV anime.
The Movie 2
wasn't this directed by Kon?
I know it's a science fiction story about the blurring lines between humanity and artificial intelligence, but the older I get I see it more about an adult going through the doldrums of adulthood and then it goes into this fantasy escape where the adult in question (Motoko) gets to ascend. It's quite notable to me that nothing is really gleaned from the ending of the movie. What does this new lifeform do? Well, probably nothing. The fused Motoko/AI will still need a place to sleep, a place to replenish the lost fluids of its artificial body, etc. That's what I mean when I say "fantasy"; it's cool to think Motoko fused with the AI and became something new, but she's still trapped in this mortal coil ultimately.
>but the older I get I see it more about
this is sort of like the guerilla experiment, where your current context/goals shape your perception. i think the anime now and then here and there is another good 'koan' that explores such essentially human experiences, contemplation of its meaning inevitably reveals yourself
>where your current context/goals shape your perception
Oh absolutely. But I'd go further and say all media, good and bad, is like this. I think the GitS is a particularly neat example, at least for me, because I remember watching it as an adolescent and being totally stoked about the mood, the sci-fi jargon, the notions of AI in the future being humanlike and arguing for their existence, etc. I STILL like those things, but Motoko's small monologue on the boat, about feeling free only to expand within boundaries, just speaks to me as a working adult.
I imagine Motoko is probably in her mid-late 30s, so the monotony of her life and work has set in. I know in the manga she has a boyfriend from Section 6 and two girlfriends, but in the film she's a loner. She plays with her life in the form of the scuba diving even though she'd die if if it went wrong; she's reeeally at that point every adult gets to of
>Is this all there is?
And I neverrrrr saw that shit when I was young.
>Now and then here and there
Man that's been on my MAL watchlist for like a decade. I'll move it up the queue anon thanks.
That is why 1995 Motoko is my favourite. Really similar vibes to Ryan Gosling in bladerunner.
>i didn't get it
"have sex"
>read the manga
>its trash
>watch anime
>its mediocre
>watch ScarJo movie
>its garbage
anime
>>its mediocre
>>read the manga
>>its trash
Holy filtered
then go get it moron
For me, it's Innocence
whole movie is oshii coping with being childless, its the low point of his career
Childless or partnerless we'll say.
>The Major is proof of my existence just like your child is of yours
^Said to Togusa. I wouldn't say it's a low point at all. The film has beautiful moments, and I quite enjoy the musings on dolls and and why humans create objects in their image as a fine companion to the AI stuff in 1995. But more than that, it's indeed a nice snapshot likely into Oshii's life at the time: Go home, take care of your dog, drink and be alone. A lot of men live like that, and there's nothing wrong with jerking off on a paint canvas now and then if you know what I mean.
>what if we hit the audience over the head repeatedly with a deluge of philosophical quotations and literary allusions and forget to make an entertaining film
>yeah sounds good Oshii-san, don't forget your obligatory basset hound
all concept no execution
When Major jumps off building I.knew it was time for me to transition for "she".
What if robots were.. le people?
That, anon, is the wrong question.
Booby robot.
Simple as.
I want to have violent animalistic sex with her afterwhich we would autistically stare and the ceiling without uttering a single word.
So why does the murderbot need to be an attractive woman with large breasts?
Least likely to be perceived as a threat. Also her body is a popular sex model so she blends in.
She even fooled the coomer rich guy in that one episode. She looked identical to the person who snuck in on the video and he was too busy going hummana hummana on her to even notice/care.
The b***h knows what she is doing. Imagine all the crazy vr sex she gets up to.
Because other people are wagebots who are also attractive women with large breasts. The main character sees an exact duplicate of herself while walking around.
beautiful fighting girl by tamaki saito may provide additional perspectives
if you go in with that expectation it may disappoint. should have said i really enjoyed the commentary. sorry
Don't worry I have flexible expectations
>rips off Taxi Driver
>rips off Wings of Desire
>it's kino
How did they do it
I forgive everything if it's kino.
>The angel.. isn't.. planning to go anywhere.
watch the tv animes instead.
also watch No Guns Life for literal meme SKULL GUN.
Life is meaningless so be gloomy. The end. I remember renting this on vhs in the 90s when it was called japanimation and only existed in a small section of the rental store. Deedlit was my childhood waifu
>Deedlit was my childhood waifu
the scene where she plays her lute and declares eternal devotion to parn set the bar too high. while talking with someone decades later, they derided anime as emotional pornogaphy and i immediately thought of that moment
DANCE WITH ME ANDY
There's a film festival in my town next week showing the sequel GITS2. Is it worth a watch, or a big step down from the first movie?
It's my favorite thing in the franchise.
neat, it's been ages since I saw the first movie so I'll need a refresher before I go and see the sequel. I like the chance to see these anime movies on the big screen.
i remember the plot being kinda empty like a lot of "artsy" anime movies from the 80s/90s.
has japan gotten better at that?
i love this track so much. it's like i enter a whimsical new world when i listen to it.
There wasn't much to get. For 90s standards it was deep but AI shit has been done to death. People get it now, AI vs, real intelligence debate.
Cool animation though.
>GITS 1995 will be 30 years old next year
Time sure flies
Still no consumer tech that emulates Sci-fi.
80s and 90s were the absolute pinnacle of anime, a lightning in a bottle, especially for cyberpunk anime.
Damn that is old. Imagine enjoying 1960 movie in 1990. Retro as frick grandpa why are you not watching something modern and cooler?
It's kino. But the 2nd movie is better.
I'm not so sure with all that gaudy CG. I actually enjoyed the "prequel tie-in" novel to Innocence more than Innocence itself. Quotes because it's pretty much the same story but better and from Batou's first person perspective.
>She is canonically a pervert who preys on children
I'm still mad...I wil always be mad
It's okay when hot women do it.
I don't get why the frick they did this and then I remember the emotional scene in NGE where Rei is talking to Shinji right before their first sortie together has a shot that highlights her ass crack, undermining the emotionality of the scene, and you remember this is just what Japs are just like.
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This is one of the greatest scenes in animation history. It's crazy how Innocence gets so much hate.
I had to stop watching Innocence halfway through because it was ruining my good impression of the first movie. The way everyone talked in philosophical quotes was just silly.
I think you're being a bit silly. Maybe you aren't there yet, but as we get older and older we look to literature and philosophy to decipher meaning out of the monotony of the days that never end. Hell zoomers are doing that now with all the motivational tiktok stuff. It's just dramatization that they're saying these quotes they've read in their spare time at each other.
They literally had a porn director quoting shit in casual conversations. It was just too much.
Porn director in Innocence? Who?
The guy you see watching porn while talking to Togusa. Or at least I think it was Togusa. It's been years.
That's from the show and it was Paz questioning the guy and the guy didn't say anything philosophical.
No it wasn't. You could see the porn reflecting off his glasses, as I recall.
That's from the show. 100%. I dare you to doubt me anon I'll just find the episode and screenshot it.
I guess I mixed him up with this guy. It's still gay that some depressed worker guy spat this line out for no reason, like every other character does.
It wasn't for nothing however anon. It was the cop's way of subtly telling Togusa to go frick himself for taking their case. I can see your dislike however, as that moment always struck me as a touch odd, but it's saved by the cop kicking the trash can.
He just got filtered like a lot of weebs with shitty tastes, nothing to worry about.
So you stopped watching before the movie told you why everyone was quoting philosophy and why it made sense in the setting?
Oh I know. Everyone having google hardwired to their brain and drawing that shit out intrinsically. It's gay because nobody spoke like that in the first movie. It's like the script is trying too hard to be deep. The elevator scene between Batou and Major in 1995 was actually deep in an organic way.
Anime movies then - 2DEEP
Anime movies now - boy turns into chair and girl sits on him, best love story ever
What the frick, I remembered the hot lesbian scenes from the manga and I checked Shirow on sadpanda. There was actually a lot of shit there, but they were all about Black folk fricking pale women.
Is this a different Shirow or what?
He did all his cool shit in 80s when he was in his 20s. Made nothing of value since. Now the guy is 60+. Different person.
He's a coomer. It's in their nature to degenerate.
sex with dumb robots
I keep forgetting SAC_2045 got its second season because the first season really misses a lot of marks for me and I got uninterested. Not even in the people clown on it for like the flipping naked guy, I just dislike thematic and tonal shit. I wish they had continued Arise instead to be quite tbh.
>i didn't get it
shinji aramaki loathed shirows flippant use of humor, and once said appleseed wasn't worth the paper it was printed on, so you're in good company
Shirow's humor is endearing as frick. IIrc, Tank Police, GITS, and Appleseed all take part in the same shared universe
>boomers shit themselves over some old anime like it'll change your life
>watch it
>it's got nice visuals but is nothing special otherwise
The only exception to this was Evangelion for me which actually lived up to the hype