what if the wars are caused not by real conflicts of interests between different groups of people but by simple misunderstanding?????
What if politics are not real?
It's based on the idea that the language you learned, changes your whole way of thinking - that you're brain works differently with a different language.
So when she learns the language of aliens who don't perceive time linearly, her brain changes and she also starts to perceive time non-linearly.
It plays with a more transcendental idealist view of time, where the linearity of time is a way for your brain to make sense out of what it perceives rather than the actual reality.
How is it not for sci-fi people?
It's about the Lt. Worf hypothesis after all.
Which basically says when you speak Klingon, you become a tough warrior and when you speak English you become a Federation pussy.
If it was for sci fi people who like sci fi, sci fi would have been front and center. Especially with a premise like that.
Most of the movie would be about people discussing translation, philosophy and ethics. Instead of just mentioning the topic. And the logic behing the"time loop" would be carefully crafted and logical, and solved with some scientific/philosophical method, not emotions and not a deus ex machina.
Compare it to how the V'GER problem is faced in Star Trek TMP. People explore, gather data, discuss, contact the alien thing, make guesses. The entire movie is about that, it's not solved with a montage.
Arrival was about bland mother feeling bad for (spolirous bad things that happened to her), with some cliche sci-fi like stuff happeneing around
Also the geopolitcial side of the story was cartoonish in Arrival
That's how I see it
Really liked it for the linguistic autism and then the philosophical questions it raises about determinism and the ethics surrounding genetic disease. Wrap it in an intriguing story about aliens and it was a 9.5/10.
>Really liked it for the linguistic autism
2mins montage >and then the philosophical questions it raises about determinism
doesn't do anythign with those > and the ethics surrounding genetic disease.
not in the movie > Wrap it in an intriguing story about aliens and it was a 9.5/10.
"Intriguing" lol
It was shit
Read the short story it's based off "The Story of Your Life and Others", it does a much better job of explaining the themes behind the Visitor's language.
As a professional linguist and a sci-fi connoisseur, I really, REALLY liked the movie. If you are fluent in a language, truly fluent, as if it was your mother tongue, your brain basically forms an entire personality around it. I can confirm this both anecdotally as well as talking to other multi-linguals and i see it even in my kids. When I speak English I'm a business person making deals, when I speak Czech I'm a foul teenager who never grew up, when I speak Russian I am a caring father etc.
It is a very interesting thought experiment in what would happen if you learned a language truly alien to human mind. Personally I think it would just make you go insane, which is also a possible interpretation of the movie coincidentally.
I said it to OP, but as a linguist, you will really love the story its based off. Ted Chiang does a really solid deep dive in to linguistic theory in explaining that very phenomenon you're talking about, it's a kino read, and not too long either.
Funny how people shit on Tenet for being nonsensical science but give Villeneuve a pass with Arrival. Somehow thinking about linguistics in a non-linear way (whatever that means) lets you think backwards in time, but radiation that simply reverses entropy was somehow impossible for people comprehend.
She knew he was gonna get his junk plowed off so she wanted his baby while he was still able.
what if the wars are caused not by real conflicts of interests between different groups of people but by simple misunderstanding?????
What if politics are not real?
That's the idea in nutshell.
Midwit take
It's just Slaughterhouse Five with all the fun taken out of it.
Arrival sucked so much that its only memorable shot ripped off a kino manga (Blame)
>kino manga (Blame)
The movie is great, still waiting for a sequel.
That looks like shit
It's based on the idea that the language you learned, changes your whole way of thinking - that you're brain works differently with a different language.
So when she learns the language of aliens who don't perceive time linearly, her brain changes and she also starts to perceive time non-linearly.
That’s a pretty intense theme to grapple with for these monoculturists. Just let it be about aliens to them.
That's not how time works
That's not how it works, but is how it did work.
It plays with a more transcendental idealist view of time, where the linearity of time is a way for your brain to make sense out of what it perceives rather than the actual reality.
It's a movie, not a documentary
It's a movie about those themes/tropes trying to pass as sci-fi
You can say it's sci-fi all right. Did someone hurt you?
It's a good thing the story is about languages and not time.
It was a story about interpersonal drama, solved by magic.
The rest was just half assed cosmesis
you sound like a guy who also complains about back to the future instead of just enjoying the movie
Thats also not how language works. In fact that hypothesis was mostly debunked before the movie was even developed.
All is explained here, anon.
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His sister gave him head in the ER.
It makes sense if you don’t think about it.
Doghsit movie.
Alsos the usual sci-fi for peole who don't like sci fi
How is it not for sci-fi people?
It's about the Lt. Worf hypothesis after all.
Which basically says when you speak Klingon, you become a tough warrior and when you speak English you become a Federation pussy.
If it was for sci fi people who like sci fi, sci fi would have been front and center. Especially with a premise like that.
Most of the movie would be about people discussing translation, philosophy and ethics. Instead of just mentioning the topic. And the logic behing the"time loop" would be carefully crafted and logical, and solved with some scientific/philosophical method, not emotions and not a deus ex machina.
Compare it to how the V'GER problem is faced in Star Trek TMP. People explore, gather data, discuss, contact the alien thing, make guesses. The entire movie is about that, it's not solved with a montage.
Arrival was about bland mother feeling bad for (spolirous bad things that happened to her), with some cliche sci-fi like stuff happeneing around
Also the geopolitcial side of the story was cartoonish in Arrival
That's how I see it
Really liked it for the linguistic autism and then the philosophical questions it raises about determinism and the ethics surrounding genetic disease. Wrap it in an intriguing story about aliens and it was a 9.5/10.
>Really liked it for the linguistic autism
2mins montage
>and then the philosophical questions it raises about determinism
doesn't do anythign with those
> and the ethics surrounding genetic disease.
not in the movie
> Wrap it in an intriguing story about aliens and it was a 9.5/10.
"Intriguing" lol
It was shit
Sorry you didn’t like it!
I wish it was good too. Synopsis made it look a sci fi movie
>Really liked it for the linguistic aut-ACK
Let the mogging begin!
>linguistic autism
Like the fact that it's impossible to translate a language out of nothing?
Read the short story it's based off "The Story of Your Life and Others", it does a much better job of explaining the themes behind the Visitor's language.
As a professional linguist and a sci-fi connoisseur, I really, REALLY liked the movie. If you are fluent in a language, truly fluent, as if it was your mother tongue, your brain basically forms an entire personality around it. I can confirm this both anecdotally as well as talking to other multi-linguals and i see it even in my kids. When I speak English I'm a business person making deals, when I speak Czech I'm a foul teenager who never grew up, when I speak Russian I am a caring father etc.
It is a very interesting thought experiment in what would happen if you learned a language truly alien to human mind. Personally I think it would just make you go insane, which is also a possible interpretation of the movie coincidentally.
I said it to OP, but as a linguist, you will really love the story its based off. Ted Chiang does a really solid deep dive in to linguistic theory in explaining that very phenomenon you're talking about, it's a kino read, and not too long either.
>The Story of Your Life and Others
Bought it on Amazon to read on my commutes, thanks Anon.
enjoy 🙂
>goyfiltered
Nothing happening is the happening of that happening movie. You must be into pilpul to get it.
bug people save the world: the movie
Same difference between cover and inside of a book.
But you can do you and be acritical
it is an acronym for lava rivr, a misspelling of "Lava River" like the river of diarrhea that runs through ops head
Funny how people shit on Tenet for being nonsensical science but give Villeneuve a pass with Arrival. Somehow thinking about linguistics in a non-linear way (whatever that means) lets you think backwards in time, but radiation that simply reverses entropy was somehow impossible for people comprehend.
Bacause Arrival have slow shots and le interpersonal drama, therefore it's deep, therefroe it's good
Wtf I just watched it on tuesday with my legal age e-girl gf, damn gangstalkers.
To me it's about attempting to create media about language that isn't insanely boring.