It's an attempt at tacking on something redeeming, to make you believe there was actually a point or message, when really you just wasted your time on the worst Coen bros' movie.
This >a made-up series of events involving a murderer that is, once again, a complete work of fiction >boo hoo i am old and don't understand this made-up thing >isn't the present so confusing and wasn't the past so much simpler
"in a sense he's the younger man" = Knowledge versus wisdom.
the first dream "i dont remember too well" about meeting his father in town, and his father gave him some money "i think i lost it" = the fortune of civilazation handed down to us from our ancestors being squandered.
the 2nd dream. about his father riding past him, going on ahead. his father was carrying a fire. his father was going off in all that dark and that cold (chaos) and his was father was gonna make a fire out in the nothingness. (bringing order, or cosmos to chaos)
its essentially cormac's insecurity that humanity has lost all Knowledge as to how or why the complex systems that built civilazation, particularly western civilization were built. civilization is a treasure handed down to us from our forefather and we sqaundered it.
yeah, its pretty obvious if you know Cormac's work and how he references the bible. the theme at work in the end of no country is clearly what inspired him to write The Road.
Its an old lawman lamenting the state of the world. He spent his life fighting criminals. He's wondering if he made a difference, if it was worth it. His dreams indicate that is all you can do, fight against that ever present tide and make sure those following you can continue the fight
"in a sense he's the younger man" = Knowledge versus wisdom.
the first dream "i dont remember too well" about meeting his father in town, and his father gave him some money "i think i lost it" = the fortune of civilazation handed down to us from our ancestors being squandered.
the 2nd dream. about his father riding past him, going on ahead. his father was carrying a fire. his father was going off in all that dark and that cold (chaos) and his was father was gonna make a fire out in the nothingness. (bringing order, or cosmos to chaos)
its essentially cormac's insecurity that humanity has lost all Knowledge as to how or why the complex systems that built civilazation, particularly western civilization were built. civilization is a treasure handed down to us from our forefather and we sqaundered it.
Besides Cormac's blackpills about civilization there's the obvious stuff about the title being literal.
The film's saying things aren't particularly disgusting in the modern world, we just get old and old people can't handle the ugliness anymore. Literally there's no place for old people. World doesn't go to shit, old people just age out.
blackpill for sure. Cormac clearly thinks civilization is the height of humanity and the worst thing that could happen is its collapse. its Agriculture versus pre agriculture (cain vs abel).
Its more that old people realize they spent their life trying to change what is. He spent his life just like his father, fighting crime. He made the mistake of thinking he could rid the world of it, when it will be ever present. He was tired of fighting it. His dreams simply meant he was worried he didn't do like his father had, and set things up for someone else to continue the struggle
It is incredible to me that a character can describe two dreams and still people will try to read literal meaning into it as if subtext does not exist and cormac mccarthy was not obsessed with the subconscious and the bible.
another interesting tid bit to the end that the coens could add by virtue of what film can do vs the novel; when the screen goes black you still hear the clock ticking "in the begining God created..." time was before light (in the BEGINING) then Gid saod let there be light. the movie ends in a Symmetrical opposite to biblical creation. the light dies, then sound falls as to where in the bible you hear God speak before you see Him create light.
Its literally about a cop who is sad he didn't do enough. The whole film he's pursuing this killer who is hunting another man. The cop is always too many steps behind
The water trough he hid behind in the war while his squad were killed is a symbol for the futility of cultivation in the face of inevitable disintegration. you are very close to that.
The water trough is also a metaphor for a monument of civilization. on one side of which lies a man in a false sense of security, on the other side pure violent chaos. the methaphor here being clearly that the veneer of cilvilization may hide mans natural, cruel state, but its still there, right on the other side. waiting.
almost harkens to a line soiken in anotber McCarthy novel "before man was, war waited for him"
The water trough imagery appears again in the end assuring officer bell that like the stonemason, his good work will also live on for the next generation. It's not just evil that will outlast him
but will that treasure that is handed down from the orecious generation be weiled or lost and forgotten. "it was about meetin' him in town somewhere, he gave me some money... i think i lost it..."
100% its a treasure man was never supposed to have anyway. he shouldnt have any fear of losing it because of the city his father will forge in the fire he carried in a horn up a mountian. pushing back the darkness and the cold. where his ancestors wait for him. eternity.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The money or the "treasure" youre talking about is the people you're supposed to protect: the town, his squad etc. his position as the town sheriff is something he inherited from his dad that's why ot manifests in his dream that way. There is no narrative support for whatever you are talking about.
The fire and horn story is literally referencing an old NA tale about a a leader selection test. Men carry coal in their horn over a long distance and whoever makes it back with their coal still hot gets to be the leader. You are pulling shit out of your ass about this eternity thing my guy
3 months ago
Anonymous
nope. not even close.
3 months ago
Anonymous
no no NO. wrong simply WRONG. this is some blue curtain means sad type of crap
3 months ago
Anonymous
exactly. this is a liberal arts professor's explanation. like "blood meridian is about right wing violence" rewriting history and trying to suck God out of everything. these themes literally run through all of mccarthy's books.
Idk how it happened but i suddenly became aware of mccarthys totally academic nihilism and its put me off all related media. Guess i wont be watching a favorably viewed mexican mafioso have a tautological diatribe against steve mcqueens boyfriend anytime soon.
If you have any philosophical and theological understanding, you probably wouldn't like his work. He has no basis for what is moral or not. He has no basis to decide what 'civilisation' is or when it's collapsed or collapsing. I watched No Country yesterday, and I came out of it thinking it's about a force of nature and nothing can stop it. That seems to be sufficient without adding all the other unjustified baggage.
seems to be but isnt. these are themes that are constant and evolving throughout all of his novels almost. its not baggage, you just dont want to see it.
he does have a moral basis, he's just wrong. cain planted, abel was a sheperd. agriculture was the begining of civilization and always led to babylonian type evil. cormac either didnt understand, or disregarded how little God thinks of Cities. the first act of violence in the bible is an agriculturalist killing a nomad because God favored the nomads way of life over his. What Cormac does get right Is that all of this violence and Inherent vice will inevitably lead to the disintegration of everything and the introduction of a new city, a perfect city, a new jerusalem.
Others like to place higher meaning on a simple tale of loss. The old man can't keep up anymore. His time is over and yet there are still killers moving among us
im reading too much into the book.... like the guy who wrote it? Are you even aware of how oxymoronic that sounds? You have more in common with Black folk than you realize.
3 months ago
Anonymous
i'm sorry that the public school system didnt spoon feed you the prerequisite knowledge to sufficiently analyze (anal lol) literature or art. that should be in any white man's toolkit. Unfortunately it would appear that you have been intellectually circumcised.
Keep up the intellectual guise, I'm sure someone will be impressed soon
3 months ago
Anonymous
I have no expectation of impressing someone who can't keep up with a conversation.
3 months ago
Anonymous
There is no conversation, just someone spouting off about religious allegory
3 months ago
Anonymous
I understand that you lack all prerequisites to be able to understand these allegories. it would be like explaining to a fish his position in the sea.
i hope one day you understand that this is a shortcoming, and it was DONE to you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I hope one day you understand nobody on Cinemaphile cares
3 months ago
Anonymous
you seem to care an awful lot.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You should check out the sweet east if you haven’t seen it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You probably go on /misc/ and b***h about liberal arts and the humanties not realizing that youre regurgitating a thesis that originated in the yale literary department. fricking moron.
i'm sorry that the public school system didnt spoon feed you the prerequisite knowledge to sufficiently analyze (anal lol) literature or art. that should be in any white man's toolkit. Unfortunately it would appear that you have been intellectually circumcised.
Sailing to Byzantium
That is no country for old men. The young
In one another's arms, birds in the trees
– Those dying generations – at their song,
The salmon‐falls, the mackerel‐crowded seas,
Fish, flesh, or fowl, commend all summer long
Whatever is begotten, born, and dies.
Caught in that sensual music all neglect
Monuments of unageing intellect.
An aged man is but a paltry thing,
A tattered coat upon a stick, unless
Soul clap its hands and sing, and louder sing
For every tatter in its mortal dress,
Nor is there singing school but studying
Monuments of its own magnificence;
And therefore I have sailed the seas and come
To the holy city of Byzantium.
O sages standing in God's holy fire
As in the gold mosaic of a wall,
Come from the holy fire, perne in a gyre,
And be the singing‐masters of my soul.
Consume my heart away; sick with desire
And fastened to a dying animal
It knows not what it is; and gather me
Into the artifice of eternity.
Once out of nature I shall never take
My bodily form from any natural thing,
But such a form as Grecian goldsmiths make
Of hammered gold and gold enamelling
To keep a drowsy Emperor awake;
Or set upon a golden bough to sing
To lords and ladies of Byzantium
Of what is past, or passing, or to come.
A journey to Byzantium (Constantinople) as a metaphor for a spiritual journey. Yeats explores his thoughts and musings on how immortality, art, and the human spirit may converge. Through the use of various poetic techniques, Yeats's "Sailing to Byzantium" describes the metaphorical journey of a man pursuing his own vision of eternal life as well as his conception of paradise
His story was about growing old and becoming disconnected from the modern world.
It's an attempt at tacking on something redeeming, to make you believe there was actually a point or message, when really you just wasted your time on the worst Coen bros' movie.
filtered
there is a lifetime of wisdom in this movie
nah it’s just mumbling and a mcguffin
This
>a made-up series of events involving a murderer that is, once again, a complete work of fiction
>boo hoo i am old and don't understand this made-up thing
>isn't the present so confusing and wasn't the past so much simpler
>this truly is, no country for old men.
thanks joel
>it truly was a Shawshank Redemption
My friend and I were laughing through this whole scene and I picked up the remote and threatened to turn off the TV if he actually said it.
It's in the title. He's a bitter boomer who can't keep up with the tik tok trends. The kids are all into cattle guns, and he just doesn't get it.
His dad told him he's too old
"in a sense he's the younger man" = Knowledge versus wisdom.
the first dream "i dont remember too well" about meeting his father in town, and his father gave him some money "i think i lost it" = the fortune of civilazation handed down to us from our ancestors being squandered.
the 2nd dream. about his father riding past him, going on ahead. his father was carrying a fire. his father was going off in all that dark and that cold (chaos) and his was father was gonna make a fire out in the nothingness. (bringing order, or cosmos to chaos)
its essentially cormac's insecurity that humanity has lost all Knowledge as to how or why the complex systems that built civilazation, particularly western civilization were built. civilization is a treasure handed down to us from our forefather and we sqaundered it.
but the dead are in a new city, new jersusalem.
"and then i woke up"
>Guy literally explains the point
>what did he mean by this?
yeah, its pretty obvious if you know Cormac's work and how he references the bible. the theme at work in the end of no country is clearly what inspired him to write The Road.
in english, doc
if you cant keep up with a Cinemaphile comment probably best to avoid Cormac McCarthy all together.
It's Cinemaphile; full of drooling morons. Don't be surprised.
Its an old lawman lamenting the state of the world. He spent his life fighting criminals. He's wondering if he made a difference, if it was worth it. His dreams indicate that is all you can do, fight against that ever present tide and make sure those following you can continue the fight
thats not at all what it means
Then explain it. You wont
start by reading the thread, then move on to full books, anon.
Nah, stop pulling shit out of your ass and making screenshots
Teachers pet interpretation that’s about as cringe as it is correct.
youre right. its about 2 dreemz.
'No deeper meaning for old boomers' by Cormac "2 dreemz" McCarthy
some people just don’t sanction buffoonery
>what you got ain't nothing new, your father felt the exact same thing
>yeah but I'm special
>that's arrogance
>I feel outmatched
>fricking moron
Its simple; saying "I thought it was goblins!" Isn't a good excuse for having child porn on your computer.
"in a sense he's the younger man" = Knowledge versus wisdom.
the first dream "i dont remember too well" about meeting his father in town, and his father gave him some money "i think i lost it" = the fortune of civilazation handed down to us from our ancestors being squandered.
the 2nd dream. about his father riding past him, going on ahead. his father was carrying a fire. his father was going off in all that dark and that cold (chaos) and his was father was gonna make a fire out in the nothingness. (bringing order, or cosmos to chaos)
its essentially cormac's insecurity that humanity has lost all Knowledge as to how or why the complex systems that built civilazation, particularly western civilization were built. civilization is a treasure handed down to us from our forefather and we sqaundered it.
but the dead are in a new city, new jersusalem.
"and then i woke up"
Besides Cormac's blackpills about civilization there's the obvious stuff about the title being literal.
The film's saying things aren't particularly disgusting in the modern world, we just get old and old people can't handle the ugliness anymore. Literally there's no place for old people. World doesn't go to shit, old people just age out.
blackpill for sure. Cormac clearly thinks civilization is the height of humanity and the worst thing that could happen is its collapse. its Agriculture versus pre agriculture (cain vs abel).
Its more that old people realize they spent their life trying to change what is. He spent his life just like his father, fighting crime. He made the mistake of thinking he could rid the world of it, when it will be ever present. He was tired of fighting it. His dreams simply meant he was worried he didn't do like his father had, and set things up for someone else to continue the struggle
It is incredible to me that a character can describe two dreams and still people will try to read literal meaning into it as if subtext does not exist and cormac mccarthy was not obsessed with the subconscious and the bible.
It's incredible to me that election tourists are still doing the bible larp tbh
okay 2 dreemz. you interpret art like a Black person. its not even Sophomoric. not even high school.
mexicans invade peaceful white town, this somehow equates to old people not being used to violence. How are people this braindead.
It's a coen film. What do you expect?
>then i woke up
it was all a dream! fricking bullshit, i stopped the movie right there
another interesting tid bit to the end that the coens could add by virtue of what film can do vs the novel; when the screen goes black you still hear the clock ticking "in the begining God created..." time was before light (in the BEGINING) then Gid saod let there be light. the movie ends in a Symmetrical opposite to biblical creation. the light dies, then sound falls as to where in the bible you hear God speak before you see Him create light.
solve et coagula. another gnostic reference.
1) a vaguley remembered DREAM about an ancestor giving a TREASURE to man in the heart of a CITY.
2) same ancestor using a gnostic symbol of technology; FIRE to lay the foundation of a new CITY in the midst of pure darkness, on top of a MOUNTAIN.
Cinemaphile: "its about a cop thinking he didnt do enough"
Its literally about a cop who is sad he didn't do enough. The whole film he's pursuing this killer who is hunting another man. The cop is always too many steps behind
>its about a cop thinking he didnt do enough
Not just that but WAKING UP from thinking that hed didnt do enough
NIGHTMARE 1 Is his guilt of losing his squad in the war
NIGHTMARE 2 is his insecurity of not living up to his father's image as the town chief.
Him 'waking up' was him making peace with his career as a lawman and with the seemingly eternal violence looming over this earth
no, no, and no.
Fod damnit, guys. do better.
it's unironically people like you that kept Hitler out of art school.
The water trough he hid behind in the war while his squad were killed is a symbol for the futility of cultivation in the face of inevitable disintegration. you are very close to that.
The water trough is also a metaphor for a monument of civilization. on one side of which lies a man in a false sense of security, on the other side pure violent chaos. the methaphor here being clearly that the veneer of cilvilization may hide mans natural, cruel state, but its still there, right on the other side. waiting.
almost harkens to a line soiken in anotber McCarthy novel "before man was, war waited for him"
The water trough imagery appears again in the end assuring officer bell that like the stonemason, his good work will also live on for the next generation. It's not just evil that will outlast him
but will that treasure that is handed down from the orecious generation be weiled or lost and forgotten. "it was about meetin' him in town somewhere, he gave me some money... i think i lost it..."
previous generation**
"Losing it" is a nightmare he 'wakes up' from.
100% its a treasure man was never supposed to have anyway. he shouldnt have any fear of losing it because of the city his father will forge in the fire he carried in a horn up a mountian. pushing back the darkness and the cold. where his ancestors wait for him. eternity.
The money or the "treasure" youre talking about is the people you're supposed to protect: the town, his squad etc. his position as the town sheriff is something he inherited from his dad that's why ot manifests in his dream that way. There is no narrative support for whatever you are talking about.
The fire and horn story is literally referencing an old NA tale about a a leader selection test. Men carry coal in their horn over a long distance and whoever makes it back with their coal still hot gets to be the leader. You are pulling shit out of your ass about this eternity thing my guy
nope. not even close.
no no NO. wrong simply WRONG. this is some blue curtain means sad type of crap
exactly. this is a liberal arts professor's explanation. like "blood meridian is about right wing violence" rewriting history and trying to suck God out of everything. these themes literally run through all of mccarthy's books.
you need to go back
He was gay and didn't know how to express himself
Idk how it happened but i suddenly became aware of mccarthys totally academic nihilism and its put me off all related media. Guess i wont be watching a favorably viewed mexican mafioso have a tautological diatribe against steve mcqueens boyfriend anytime soon.
Nihilism is a part of his problem, he was also a gnostic gay. great writer, but kinda homosexual. like Alan Moore.
If you have any philosophical and theological understanding, you probably wouldn't like his work. He has no basis for what is moral or not. He has no basis to decide what 'civilisation' is or when it's collapsed or collapsing. I watched No Country yesterday, and I came out of it thinking it's about a force of nature and nothing can stop it. That seems to be sufficient without adding all the other unjustified baggage.
seems to be but isnt. these are themes that are constant and evolving throughout all of his novels almost. its not baggage, you just dont want to see it.
he does have a moral basis, he's just wrong. cain planted, abel was a sheperd. agriculture was the begining of civilization and always led to babylonian type evil. cormac either didnt understand, or disregarded how little God thinks of Cities. the first act of violence in the bible is an agriculturalist killing a nomad because God favored the nomads way of life over his. What Cormac does get right Is that all of this violence and Inherent vice will inevitably lead to the disintegration of everything and the introduction of a new city, a perfect city, a new jerusalem.
Others like to place higher meaning on a simple tale of loss. The old man can't keep up anymore. His time is over and yet there are still killers moving among us
Black person he named the book after a poem about a guy on a spirtual journey who has a vision of eternal life and paradise.
yeah everyone goes through that at some point, then they get old. Stop trying to look for depth, you sound like the author
im reading too much into the book.... like the guy who wrote it? Are you even aware of how oxymoronic that sounds? You have more in common with Black folk than you realize.
Keep up the intellectual guise, I'm sure someone will be impressed soon
I have no expectation of impressing someone who can't keep up with a conversation.
There is no conversation, just someone spouting off about religious allegory
I understand that you lack all prerequisites to be able to understand these allegories. it would be like explaining to a fish his position in the sea.
i hope one day you understand that this is a shortcoming, and it was DONE to you.
I hope one day you understand nobody on Cinemaphile cares
you seem to care an awful lot.
You should check out the sweet east if you haven’t seen it.
You probably go on /misc/ and b***h about liberal arts and the humanties not realizing that youre regurgitating a thesis that originated in the yale literary department. fricking moron.
i'm sorry that the public school system didnt spoon feed you the prerequisite knowledge to sufficiently analyze (anal lol) literature or art. that should be in any white man's toolkit. Unfortunately it would appear that you have been intellectually circumcised.
>If you have any philosophical and theological understanding
proceeds to lift zero philosophical
or theological meaning out of the text and reduces it to a conjecture about a force of nature.
Sailing to Byzantium
That is no country for old men. The young
In one another's arms, birds in the trees
– Those dying generations – at their song,
The salmon‐falls, the mackerel‐crowded seas,
Fish, flesh, or fowl, commend all summer long
Whatever is begotten, born, and dies.
Caught in that sensual music all neglect
Monuments of unageing intellect.
An aged man is but a paltry thing,
A tattered coat upon a stick, unless
Soul clap its hands and sing, and louder sing
For every tatter in its mortal dress,
Nor is there singing school but studying
Monuments of its own magnificence;
And therefore I have sailed the seas and come
To the holy city of Byzantium.
O sages standing in God's holy fire
As in the gold mosaic of a wall,
Come from the holy fire, perne in a gyre,
And be the singing‐masters of my soul.
Consume my heart away; sick with desire
And fastened to a dying animal
It knows not what it is; and gather me
Into the artifice of eternity.
Once out of nature I shall never take
My bodily form from any natural thing,
But such a form as Grecian goldsmiths make
Of hammered gold and gold enamelling
To keep a drowsy Emperor awake;
Or set upon a golden bough to sing
To lords and ladies of Byzantium
Of what is past, or passing, or to come.
A journey to Byzantium (Constantinople) as a metaphor for a spiritual journey. Yeats explores his thoughts and musings on how immortality, art, and the human spirit may converge. Through the use of various poetic techniques, Yeats's "Sailing to Byzantium" describes the metaphorical journey of a man pursuing his own vision of eternal life as well as his conception of paradise
Learned man on Cinemaphile. Just don't tell me you watched TD4.
im not sure what td4 is, im sorry
He's too old for this shit and fears his own mortality. He's been surpassed
this thread should be called 'No deeper meaning for anonymous philistines' by 2 dreemz bacardi
Is the line about
>your daughter will be able to put you to sleep, lady
In the movie?
me neither
"see the child, the father of the man".
https://www.thoughtco.com/child-is-the-father-of-man-3975052
It's about rules, codes, mores. And the ultimate ineffectiveness of all these in the face of inevitable randomness and decline.
>Write story about crime, blame it all the mexican border, say nothing about black violence.
Why do conservatives worship black dick?
because it was set in west texas
Blacks have the highest crime rate in texas though all the way back to 80s.
sure, in Dallas, Houston and East Texas
but, not where the book is set (Terrell county, Del Rio, Eagle Pass, Alpine, El Paso)
neither did the coen brothers
when you are old, the country you remember doesnt exist anymore, its moved on and different.
McCarthy isn't very subtle with his anti immigration sentiments and yet you get idiots like this.
theres no country for old men, it's in the title loser
you dont need to, schizos will just keep coming up with different meanings for it anyways, look at the thread
just enjoy the cool Chigur scenes, those were dope
Why is it ok to make anti mexican movies? I just watched rambo slaughter an entire army of Mexican men for fun. Even had the yellow piss filter.
>carrying fahr inna hohrn
>bout tha color of tha moom