of course not - the greatest comic ever is Funky Koval
but watchmen relative to other american superhero comics is insanely high quality
for comics in general it's a very well put together comic and it's drawn well >the parts with Rorschach are good >the ending sucks dick >atomic blast fu >cold bean fu >hot oil fu >four stars
>the villains plan doesn't make sense - only in the writers head >good character is killed off for no reason >cop-out ending: a to be continued ending without the to be continued part
>the villains plan doesn't make sense - only in the writers head
You've never heard of a false flag? >good character is killed off for no reason >no reason
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how is dumping a dead squid on a city a false flag? that is a sushi order gone wrong
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The plan was to introduce a scenario to distract the world's governments away from their Cold War dickwaving. Making it a giant alien squid monster would reduce the chance that any of the world powers would suspect one another. There was also a massive psychic event engineered to frick up all the world's psychics and give them batshit nightmares for weeks, so the world powers would only suspect the cause to be otherworldly.
Because it is artistic good, good amount of easter eggs, has enough lore, well paced, very dense storytelling, good text, creative useage of appendix texts and thought through till the end (even if they wrote it while it hasnt ended.
You canonly criticise that Gibbons art is not for everyone, too much text and the appendix is not needed. But that is only a personal preference that really bad handicraft.
of course not - the greatest comic ever is Funky Koval
but watchmen relative to other american superhero comics is insanely high quality
for comics in general it's a very well put together comic and it's drawn well >the parts with Rorschach are good >the ending sucks dick >atomic blast fu >cold bean fu >hot oil fu >four stars
I think there are alot of comics that come close.
Kingdom Come
Marvels
Earth X trilogy
Maus
JSA- Golden Age
Squadron Supreme
Multiversity
Just that they lack something that makes them near but not the same level.
I don't know what one is *supposed* to get, but for me
1. It's just an extremely tight, well told cape yarn. That's the main thing. Showing what the genre is really capable of.
2. The flipside of that, exploring its limitations, showing the ineffectuality and impotence of the super hero in the real world (the street level heros), the horror of what a real super being would be like (Manhattan), the co-option by the security state a super soldier would fall prey to (Comedian) and how silly it would look expecting super heros to solve human problems (a giant octopus monster as a deus ex machina)
So sort of a statement or examination maybe on the nature of capeshit, as well as audiences clamoring for comics to grow up. "We can tell great, gripping stories, sure, but there's a marked separation between what happens in these pages and the harsh reality of the real world with existential political ramifications (cold war among them). Understand the strengths, the highs, of the genre, as well as its purpose (as diversion/entertainment) and limitations. As it is just funny books. Nobody is really coming to save you."
Than this means you are not compatible with them and cant smell them.
Dr Manhattan is a different thing. Noome likes the taste and smell of a batterie.
America, and its heroes and culture, were changing rapidly everyone was scared about what the future would hold.
Does Superman or Batman really solve complex modern crime or do they punch bank robbers in the face because it's easier to understand?
The fact that Moore had to create expies and extend the series to 12 issues were both extremely beneficial to the final product. It would not have hit nearly as hard if it weren't for these two enforced changes. Moore stated that he would have written the characters closer to their original versions and that it would have been a six-issue mini. What would have been a great comic became a masterpiece.
Watchmen is too long. Moore's writing is too dense for a 12 issue series to feel like a tight piece. It feels like a novel.
I read novels, but when I'm reading a picture book I want more sense of momentum than Watchmen provides. The problem is partly the text at the back of each issue. That shit never works in a visual medium. Kills the pace.
Morrison made the same mistake with The Clown at Midnight. The story might be good, but you got the wrong medium.
It's still good, I just think Moore's six issue idea would play to his strengths more. And play better for a non ongoing run.
I like the Clown at Midnight's big idea about the Joker a lot, I just don't like reading a straight up prose short story in a comic run. But of course the other problem is that the CG "art" was dogshit, which surprised me since the guy that did it has done some pretty good Star Wars book covers IIRC.
It's pretty based to walk around all blue and swinging your dick in everyones face.
You’re gonna get 400 replies though
I really mean it though. Why is it the consensus greatest comic ever? Is it a product of it's time?
of course not - the greatest comic ever is Funky Koval
but watchmen relative to other american superhero comics is insanely high quality
for comics in general it's a very well put together comic and it's drawn well
>the parts with Rorschach are good
>the ending sucks dick
>atomic blast fu
>cold bean fu
>hot oil fu
>four stars
>the ending sucks dick
explain
>the villains plan doesn't make sense - only in the writers head
>good character is killed off for no reason
>cop-out ending: a to be continued ending without the to be continued part
>the villains plan doesn't make sense - only in the writers head
You've never heard of a false flag?
>good character is killed off for no reason
>no reason
how is dumping a dead squid on a city a false flag? that is a sushi order gone wrong
The plan was to introduce a scenario to distract the world's governments away from their Cold War dickwaving. Making it a giant alien squid monster would reduce the chance that any of the world powers would suspect one another. There was also a massive psychic event engineered to frick up all the world's psychics and give them batshit nightmares for weeks, so the world powers would only suspect the cause to be otherworldly.
>filtered by squid
Thanks Joe Bob
Because it is artistic good, good amount of easter eggs, has enough lore, well paced, very dense storytelling, good text, creative useage of appendix texts and thought through till the end (even if they wrote it while it hasnt ended.
You canonly criticise that Gibbons art is not for everyone, too much text and the appendix is not needed. But that is only a personal preference that really bad handicraft.
How contrarian!?!
bait
Watchmen makes DKR look like amateur work, and what else is even close?
I think there are alot of comics that come close.
Kingdom Come
Marvels
Earth X trilogy
Maus
JSA- Golden Age
Squadron Supreme
Multiversity
Just that they lack something that makes them near but not the same level.
Sure. Watchmen threads are a classic thread. Just like Rorschach and Moore quote thread.
Supposedly
why was the a blue alien smurf dating a 16 year old?
It didnt matter to him, since he experience her in adult and mature forms too. And he probably thought that she lasts longer before she withers!
israeli media brainwashing doesn't work on a guy who can see the strings
Alan Moore doesn't believe in the age of consent
Republican bad
I don't know what one is *supposed* to get, but for me
1. It's just an extremely tight, well told cape yarn. That's the main thing. Showing what the genre is really capable of.
2. The flipside of that, exploring its limitations, showing the ineffectuality and impotence of the super hero in the real world (the street level heros), the horror of what a real super being would be like (Manhattan), the co-option by the security state a super soldier would fall prey to (Comedian) and how silly it would look expecting super heros to solve human problems (a giant octopus monster as a deus ex machina)
So sort of a statement or examination maybe on the nature of capeshit, as well as audiences clamoring for comics to grow up. "We can tell great, gripping stories, sure, but there's a marked separation between what happens in these pages and the harsh reality of the real world with existential political ramifications (cold war among them). Understand the strengths, the highs, of the genre, as well as its purpose (as diversion/entertainment) and limitations. As it is just funny books. Nobody is really coming to save you."
I dont see your point 2 as a flipside. It is only a flipside when you expect Silver Age shenigans or biblical good vs evil.
So who watched the Watchmen???
You!
Zack Snyder
finding out that the origin of that phrase was an ancient roman joke about cuckoldry was so goddamn funny.
>joke about infidelity becomes a warning about who watches the people who proclaim to act in our interest
It's almost like how the light hearted superhero genre ends up being quite dark and awful when you apply the simplest analysis to it.
Superhero bad, America bad, rich man bad, vigilantism bad, strict adherence to moral principles bad
You need to watch Hazbin Hotel to understand it first.
Clever advertisment, cheeky Hazbin fan!
>what if superheroes were dumb and smelly
>Ozymandias
>NiteOwl
>SilkSpectre
>Dr. Manhattan
>dumb
>smelly
You should use singular
I sniffed all of them and it wasn't pleasant.
Than this means you are not compatible with them and cant smell them.
Dr Manhattan is a different thing. Noome likes the taste and smell of a batterie.
Read it a couple times.
>Little Boy and Fat Man
god fricking damn it
Pax americana is better
It's the closest attempt by any other comic book writer, but it's not as good.
It hasn't aged well
You haven't aged well
America, and its heroes and culture, were changing rapidly everyone was scared about what the future would hold.
Does Superman or Batman really solve complex modern crime or do they punch bank robbers in the face because it's easier to understand?
You know how nations capable of nuclear war are called "superpowers", right?
That's like the thing superheroes have.
Right??
The fact that Moore had to create expies and extend the series to 12 issues were both extremely beneficial to the final product. It would not have hit nearly as hard if it weren't for these two enforced changes. Moore stated that he would have written the characters closer to their original versions and that it would have been a six-issue mini. What would have been a great comic became a masterpiece.
Indeed. Sometimes you a lovely rose by fertilize the plant with horse poo!
>and that it would have been a six-issue mini.
That would have been better.
No, it wouldn't have been as good. I can't imagine it even being functional with only six issues.
Watchmen is too long. Moore's writing is too dense for a 12 issue series to feel like a tight piece. It feels like a novel.
I read novels, but when I'm reading a picture book I want more sense of momentum than Watchmen provides. The problem is partly the text at the back of each issue. That shit never works in a visual medium. Kills the pace.
Morrison made the same mistake with The Clown at Midnight. The story might be good, but you got the wrong medium.
It works for me. By no means is it a quick read, but it's very engrossing and satisfying.
The Clown at Midnight was an all-around botch job.
It's still good, I just think Moore's six issue idea would play to his strengths more. And play better for a non ongoing run.
I like the Clown at Midnight's big idea about the Joker a lot, I just don't like reading a straight up prose short story in a comic run. But of course the other problem is that the CG "art" was dogshit, which surprised me since the guy that did it has done some pretty good Star Wars book covers IIRC.
It means if costumed vigilantes were real, they'd be mentally disordered sociopaths.
There's a lot more to it than that.
No one ever talks about how Laurie's a total butterface. Dan was 100% in if for those heavy Polish breasts that were meant to feed villages.
She's cute.
She's 16 in that flashback you nonce
I said cute, not hot, you projecting nonce.
I'll project these lips onto your cheeks you devil
WTF that's gay
I have that Comedian mask.