Saw this film in theaters, pretty good for what it is but the biggest flaw was the design of the "monster" in the later parts. Looked like a guy who taped strips of garbage bags to himself. After the 10/10 skeleton design at the start it was pretty lackluster to see.
I got it, but it just left me with more questions.
Like, who the frick was this guy?
How did the reality bending, god-like entity ever got trapped in a dead civilization on the Himalayas?
also it isnt reality bending itself reality is revealed to be maleable in the film thats how the cult makes the tulpa protag, the entity is compared to Nyarlathotep and it just has greater control than people do because it's an eldritch abomination etc etc
>it wasnt trapped per say
But it kinda was. It was isolated and far off if it wasn't a bunch of tourists bringing it back
also it isnt reality bending itself reality is revealed to be maleable in the film thats how the cult makes the tulpa protag, the entity is compared to Nyarlathotep and it just has greater control than people do because it's an eldritch abomination etc etc
Yeah, I didn't quite get why did the cult want the Empty Man as a God when they were perfectly able to bend reality by themselves
>>But it kinda was. It was isolated and far off if it wasn't a bunch of tourists bringing it back
my impression was the skeleton was just a receiver like paul the empty man exists elsewhere >Yeah, I didn't quite get why did the cult want the Empty Man as a God when they were perfectly able to bend reality by themselves
i think making tulpas is a pretty minor feat
no the tulpas were long term experiments the scientology cult was engaged in for the purpose of making a new paul, when lasombra goes to the camp he finds the old experiment videos. the /x/ grill was just the successful one within the cult.
>my impression was the skeleton was just a receiver like paul the empty man exists elsewhere
But it needed an avatar or whatever to manifest himself. So like, how did it end up isolated? >i think making tulpas is a pretty minor feat
They were moving stars and shit too
>They were moving stars and shit too
you mean during the bonfire? >But it needed an avatar or whatever to manifest himself. So like, how did it end up isolated?
who knows? tibets or bhutans whatever had him infest the spooky skele tulpa and then couldnt find a new reciever so he just chilled
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>you mean during the bonfire?
Yes. >who knows?
Well, that's sorta why I think it's weird when you think about it
I had the same problem with Nyarlathotep. If he's walking around for millennia, bringing madness and chaos whenever he crawls, drawing legions to his aura of insanity, why does he stop?
Like, why didn't the world end the first time he did it?
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I didnt think they moved stars or whatever I just got the impression they were on the cusp of reality bending during the bonfire and that was the point of the ritual to get them closer to the tulpa type shit. >Like, why didn't the world end the first time he did it?
Nyar from what little I've read is more toying with man than trying to bring doom. empty's motivation isnt clear but I think it's similar.
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in lovecraft's world, there are tons of malign entities constantly getting in each others' ways as well as some people seemingly being able to counter them. the army cleans up innsmouth, for example. the dunwitch horror is stopped by some librarians and a dog.
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And then Cthulhu was rammed with a boat and knocked on his ass.
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I think the main thing his stories have in common is the feeling of inevitability. you boatslammed cthulu back into bed this time, but only because the stars were wrong; he woke up too early, and really just wanted to go back to sleep anyway. but when he wakes for real, you're fricked.
the dunwitch horror was the same, if they'd been able to open the portal, the world was doomed. they just happened to be stopped right before they were able to.
reminds me of capeshit, in a way. there's always some world-ending threat that just barely gets defeated by the heroes right before their plan completes. and then there's another one next time. how many times can the world need to be saved?
but where capeshit takes a positive "we can always save the world!" sort of spin on it, lovecraft takes a very negative "one of these days... we're fricked" spin instead, where the protagonists never really "win" so much as they survive by sheer, dumb luck
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>the army cleans up innsmouth, for example
wasnt that in fanfic. I have a compilation book I'm sure I read that story. it also has one where one of the fish mongs is a mermaid bawd to some detective gumshoe as offbrand as that is
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okay, it's been decades since I read it, but I'm 99% sure the army cleans it up after the protagonist escapes. but then the twist is that the protagonist was also a fishman by lineage and then he starts ranting about how fishman victory is inevitable etc.
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wiki just says he notifies the government not that anything happens. I'm sure it's a separate story I remember, they fire bomb the tunnels to kill the shoggoths (also there was something about a nearby university getting tunneled into iirc)
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>>The climax of H.P. Lovecraft's "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" features a massive raid on the seaside town by FBI agents and Federal troops. The attack includes a naval component, including a submarine that fires multiple torpedoes at the Deep One city off the coast.
>...After returning home to Toledo, the narrator begins researching his family tree and discovers that he is a descendant of Marsh through his second wife Pth’thya-l’yi, and begins to gradually transform into a Deep One. >He begins having dreams of his grandmother and Pth'thya-l'yi in Y'ha-nthlei, which was damaged but not destroyed by the submarine attack.
Y'ha-nthlei being the deep one city around Innsmouth, I'm pretty sure. >They explain that the Deep Ones will remain underwater for the time being but will eventually return to invade the surface world "for the tribute Great Cthulhu craved." >After briefly glimpsing a shoggoth in one of his dreams, the narrator awakens to find that he has fully acquired the "Innsmouth look." He wants to kill himself and purchases an "automatic" (an antiquated term for a semi-automatic pistol) but cannot go through with it. >As the narrator concludes his story, he suffers a mental breakdown and embraces his fate. He decides to break out his cousin, who is even further transformed than he, from a sanatorium in Canton and take him to live in Y'ha-nthlei.
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huh I forgot that part completely, the sub kinda rings a bell
>my impression was the skeleton was just a receiver like paul the empty man exists elsewhere
But it needed an avatar or whatever to manifest himself. So like, how did it end up isolated? >i think making tulpas is a pretty minor feat
They were moving stars and shit too
I got the impression that the entity had some resonance and it was a coincidence, possibly inevitable I don't know. This movie is just one of those movies you'd only like if you're a person who likes overthinking about movies after you watch them.
>How did the reality bending, god-like entity ever got trapped in a dead civilization on the Himalayas?
How would it be able to spread?
Imagine, some Black folk show at your place from out-of-town. One of them whispers something into your buddy's ear and he does psycho instantly and starts murdering people. What do you do?
In a modern setting you go "oh well, not my problem, police will deal with this", and then the police show up and apprehend the guy and he whispers into their ear as well and now the police are under his control.
But in a pre-modern setting you go "wow, those guys are fricking demons" and just murder them.
Only in the cucked moron clown world of modern NIMBY society does this dumb enemy pose a threat.
that was the last "host" of the empty man >How did the reality bending, god-like entity ever got trapped in a dead civilization on the Himalayas?
i dont think he can get trapped, he was just waiting for the next host there
the eldricht abomination doesnt give a frick about timescale probably, it subtly influences reality so the next host will always come by
it was only the cult that wanted to change the process and find host faster
My favorite horror film of all time. If you didnt like it you got FILTERED. >hurr fricking durf da durr why wasnt it just a candyman ripoff me wan watch jordan peele instead
The leader of the Pontifex cult's philosophy is self-refuting nonsense. >There is no truth. There is no right or wrong.
Oh really? Then your own statement isn't true, moron.
He is literally spelling out the ideology of globohomosexual in this movie. >there is no truth >there are no distinctions of boundaries >we must blend everything together into a formless "one"
It is literally Luciferianism.
You are a worm though time. The thunder song distorts you. Happiness comes. White pearls, but yellow and red in the eye. Through a mirror, inverted is made right. Leave your insides by the door. Push the fingers through the surface into the wet. You’ve always been the new you. You want this to be true. We stand around while you dream. You can almost hear our words but you forget. This happens more and more now. You gave us the permission in your regulations. We wait in the stains. The word that describes this is redacted. Repeat the word. The name of the sound. It resonates in your house. After the song, time for applause. We build you till nothing remains. The egg cracks and the truth will emerge out of you. You are home. You remind us of home. You’ve taken your boss with your boss with you. All hair must be eaten. Under the conceptual reality behind this reality you must want these waves to drag you away. After the song, time for applause. This cliché is death out of time, breaking the first the second the third the fourth wall, fifth wall, floor; no floor: you fall! How do you say “insane”? Hurts to be happy. An ear worm is a tune you can’t stop humming in a dream: “baby baby baby yeah”. Just plastic. So, safe and nothing to worry about. Ha ha, funny. The last egg breaks now. The hole in your room is a hole in you. You came and we let you in through the hole in you. You have always been here, the only child. A copy of a copy of a copy. Orange peel. The picture is you holding the picture. When you hear this you will know you’re in new you. You want to listen. You want to dream. You want to smile. You want to hurt. You don’t want to be.
I was kind of torn, like in my mind I kept thinking man she would be cute without that moronic haircut but I think without the haircut she would look pretty plain and not actually cute.
People have been saying this kind of nonsense for thousands of years. The Sophists tried to make the same kind of argument to Aristotle and he refuted them.
If logic and truth aren't real, then your own argument refutes itself. The very act of making an argument presupposes logic and truth.
truth is dependent upon epistemology logic is dependent upon presupposed universal axioms. the movie is declaring new metaphysics not espousing solipsism
Normies never learn.
If you claim there is no distinction between right and wrong, then you have no grounds to argue against a person who says that you're wrong.
People have been saying this kind of nonsense for thousands of years. The Sophists tried to make the same kind of argument to Aristotle and he refuted them.
If logic and truth aren't real, then your own argument refutes itself. The very act of making an argument presupposes logic and truth.
That's actually an interesting concept.
If reality is malleable, then someone saying >no it isn't
Should make it non malleable. Even in metaphysics it's a self defeating concept
Well, yeah but Neil failed to impose his own solid reality over Cane's mutable one
Had his will beem stronger he'd be like Doctor 13, whose unfaltering skepticism in anything mystical makes it so all the mystical, fantastic and outlandish things in the DC universe stop working
Looks boring as frick
You wouldn’t get it
Thought it would be some cool ancient buried cosmic creature feature.
It was instead a needlessly drawn out student film
It got off to a promising start, and I liked all the tulpa talk, but the rest left me kind of 'meh'.
I liked most of it but the end made no sense.
10/10 first half but turns into a generic horror flick by the second
>It got off to a promising start
>the rest left me kind of 'meh'.
That's Lovecraft for you.
SF is a shit hole.
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If they cut out the silly beer bottle stuff it would have been great.
Saw this film in theaters, pretty good for what it is but the biggest flaw was the design of the "monster" in the later parts. Looked like a guy who taped strips of garbage bags to himself. After the 10/10 skeleton design at the start it was pretty lackluster to see.
It makes more sense when you realize it's like 4 short films stretched into one feature
I got it, but it just left me with more questions.
Like, who the frick was this guy?
How did the reality bending, god-like entity ever got trapped in a dead civilization on the Himalayas?
it wasnt trapped per say it's ethereal, it only managed to possess paul because he was a match though.
also it isnt reality bending itself reality is revealed to be maleable in the film thats how the cult makes the tulpa protag, the entity is compared to Nyarlathotep and it just has greater control than people do because it's an eldritch abomination etc etc
>it wasnt trapped per say
But it kinda was. It was isolated and far off if it wasn't a bunch of tourists bringing it back
Yeah, I didn't quite get why did the cult want the Empty Man as a God when they were perfectly able to bend reality by themselves
>>But it kinda was. It was isolated and far off if it wasn't a bunch of tourists bringing it back
my impression was the skeleton was just a receiver like paul the empty man exists elsewhere
>Yeah, I didn't quite get why did the cult want the Empty Man as a God when they were perfectly able to bend reality by themselves
i think making tulpas is a pretty minor feat
Wasn't the tulpas thing basically just /x/ kids messing around until it actually started working or something?
no the tulpas were long term experiments the scientology cult was engaged in for the purpose of making a new paul, when lasombra goes to the camp he finds the old experiment videos. the /x/ grill was just the successful one within the cult.
>They were moving stars and shit too
you mean during the bonfire?
>But it needed an avatar or whatever to manifest himself. So like, how did it end up isolated?
who knows? tibets or bhutans whatever had him infest the spooky skele tulpa and then couldnt find a new reciever so he just chilled
>you mean during the bonfire?
Yes.
>who knows?
Well, that's sorta why I think it's weird when you think about it
I had the same problem with Nyarlathotep. If he's walking around for millennia, bringing madness and chaos whenever he crawls, drawing legions to his aura of insanity, why does he stop?
Like, why didn't the world end the first time he did it?
I didnt think they moved stars or whatever I just got the impression they were on the cusp of reality bending during the bonfire and that was the point of the ritual to get them closer to the tulpa type shit.
>Like, why didn't the world end the first time he did it?
Nyar from what little I've read is more toying with man than trying to bring doom. empty's motivation isnt clear but I think it's similar.
in lovecraft's world, there are tons of malign entities constantly getting in each others' ways as well as some people seemingly being able to counter them. the army cleans up innsmouth, for example. the dunwitch horror is stopped by some librarians and a dog.
And then Cthulhu was rammed with a boat and knocked on his ass.
I think the main thing his stories have in common is the feeling of inevitability. you boatslammed cthulu back into bed this time, but only because the stars were wrong; he woke up too early, and really just wanted to go back to sleep anyway. but when he wakes for real, you're fricked.
the dunwitch horror was the same, if they'd been able to open the portal, the world was doomed. they just happened to be stopped right before they were able to.
reminds me of capeshit, in a way. there's always some world-ending threat that just barely gets defeated by the heroes right before their plan completes. and then there's another one next time. how many times can the world need to be saved?
but where capeshit takes a positive "we can always save the world!" sort of spin on it, lovecraft takes a very negative "one of these days... we're fricked" spin instead, where the protagonists never really "win" so much as they survive by sheer, dumb luck
>the army cleans up innsmouth, for example
wasnt that in fanfic. I have a compilation book I'm sure I read that story. it also has one where one of the fish mongs is a mermaid bawd to some detective gumshoe as offbrand as that is
okay, it's been decades since I read it, but I'm 99% sure the army cleans it up after the protagonist escapes. but then the twist is that the protagonist was also a fishman by lineage and then he starts ranting about how fishman victory is inevitable etc.
wiki just says he notifies the government not that anything happens. I'm sure it's a separate story I remember, they fire bomb the tunnels to kill the shoggoths (also there was something about a nearby university getting tunneled into iirc)
>>The climax of H.P. Lovecraft's "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" features a massive raid on the seaside town by FBI agents and Federal troops. The attack includes a naval component, including a submarine that fires multiple torpedoes at the Deep One city off the coast.
>...After returning home to Toledo, the narrator begins researching his family tree and discovers that he is a descendant of Marsh through his second wife Pth’thya-l’yi, and begins to gradually transform into a Deep One.
>He begins having dreams of his grandmother and Pth'thya-l'yi in Y'ha-nthlei, which was damaged but not destroyed by the submarine attack.
Y'ha-nthlei being the deep one city around Innsmouth, I'm pretty sure.
>They explain that the Deep Ones will remain underwater for the time being but will eventually return to invade the surface world "for the tribute Great Cthulhu craved."
>After briefly glimpsing a shoggoth in one of his dreams, the narrator awakens to find that he has fully acquired the "Innsmouth look." He wants to kill himself and purchases an "automatic" (an antiquated term for a semi-automatic pistol) but cannot go through with it.
>As the narrator concludes his story, he suffers a mental breakdown and embraces his fate. He decides to break out his cousin, who is even further transformed than he, from a sanatorium in Canton and take him to live in Y'ha-nthlei.
huh I forgot that part completely, the sub kinda rings a bell
>my impression was the skeleton was just a receiver like paul the empty man exists elsewhere
But it needed an avatar or whatever to manifest himself. So like, how did it end up isolated?
>i think making tulpas is a pretty minor feat
They were moving stars and shit too
I got the impression that the entity had some resonance and it was a coincidence, possibly inevitable I don't know. This movie is just one of those movies you'd only like if you're a person who likes overthinking about movies after you watch them.
>How did the reality bending, god-like entity ever got trapped in a dead civilization on the Himalayas?
How would it be able to spread?
Imagine, some Black folk show at your place from out-of-town. One of them whispers something into your buddy's ear and he does psycho instantly and starts murdering people. What do you do?
In a modern setting you go "oh well, not my problem, police will deal with this", and then the police show up and apprehend the guy and he whispers into their ear as well and now the police are under his control.
But in a pre-modern setting you go "wow, those guys are fricking demons" and just murder them.
Only in the cucked moron clown world of modern NIMBY society does this dumb enemy pose a threat.
That's the plot of Cure I think but it's a type of hypnotism? Great movie way better than this shit.
that was the last "host" of the empty man
>How did the reality bending, god-like entity ever got trapped in a dead civilization on the Himalayas?
i dont think he can get trapped, he was just waiting for the next host there
the eldricht abomination doesnt give a frick about timescale probably, it subtly influences reality so the next host will always come by
it was only the cult that wanted to change the process and find host faster
My favorite horror film of all time. If you didnt like it you got FILTERED.
>hurr fricking durf da durr why wasnt it just a candyman ripoff me wan watch jordan peele instead
The leader of the Pontifex cult's philosophy is self-refuting nonsense.
>There is no truth. There is no right or wrong.
Oh really? Then your own statement isn't true, moron.
just turn your brain off bro
He is literally spelling out the ideology of globohomosexual in this movie.
>there is no truth
>there are no distinctions of boundaries
>we must blend everything together into a formless "one"
It is literally Luciferianism.
You are a worm though time. The thunder song distorts you. Happiness comes. White pearls, but yellow and red in the eye. Through a mirror, inverted is made right. Leave your insides by the door. Push the fingers through the surface into the wet. You’ve always been the new you. You want this to be true. We stand around while you dream. You can almost hear our words but you forget. This happens more and more now. You gave us the permission in your regulations. We wait in the stains. The word that describes this is redacted. Repeat the word. The name of the sound. It resonates in your house. After the song, time for applause. We build you till nothing remains. The egg cracks and the truth will emerge out of you. You are home. You remind us of home. You’ve taken your boss with your boss with you. All hair must be eaten. Under the conceptual reality behind this reality you must want these waves to drag you away. After the song, time for applause. This cliché is death out of time, breaking the first the second the third the fourth wall, fifth wall, floor; no floor: you fall! How do you say “insane”? Hurts to be happy. An ear worm is a tune you can’t stop humming in a dream: “baby baby baby yeah”. Just plastic. So, safe and nothing to worry about. Ha ha, funny. The last egg breaks now. The hole in your room is a hole in you. You came and we let you in through the hole in you. You have always been here, the only child. A copy of a copy of a copy. Orange peel. The picture is you holding the picture. When you hear this you will know you’re in new you. You want to listen. You want to dream. You want to smile. You want to hurt. You don’t want to be.
there's a chick in this movie that has the pencil haircut
She cute.
I was kind of torn, like in my mind I kept thinking man she would be cute without that moronic haircut but I think without the haircut she would look pretty plain and not actually cute.
pretty sure she was in that show Mare of Easttown and showed her breasts in it
that was angorie rice
Wait Angourie Rice shows her breasts on that show? I should've watched it
People have been saying this kind of nonsense for thousands of years. The Sophists tried to make the same kind of argument to Aristotle and he refuted them.
If logic and truth aren't real, then your own argument refutes itself. The very act of making an argument presupposes logic and truth.
truth is dependent upon epistemology logic is dependent upon presupposed universal axioms. the movie is declaring new metaphysics not espousing solipsism
Normies never learn.
If you claim there is no distinction between right and wrong, then you have no grounds to argue against a person who says that you're wrong.
That's actually an interesting concept.
If reality is malleable, then someone saying
>no it isn't
Should make it non malleable. Even in metaphysics it's a self defeating concept
you just blew my mind bro
>I think therefore you are
>Lmao, no frick you gay
That's all Sam Neill had to do
wasnt that the plot of in the mouth of madness
Well, yeah but Neil failed to impose his own solid reality over Cane's mutable one
Had his will beem stronger he'd be like Doctor 13, whose unfaltering skepticism in anything mystical makes it so all the mystical, fantastic and outlandish things in the DC universe stop working
frick you for reminding me this exists
There was no need to swear.
>spend whole movie just waiting for there to be some explanation why the main girl had that haircut
>it ends without explaining it
shit film 2/10