I don't know what he's talking about. I'm not white and I think Superman is the best of all heroes. As a matter of fact I identify with Clark Kent far more than Mr. Terrific or Black Panther or whoever. I don't even care about Steel as much as Superman. What the frick?
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>People cant identify anymore with people who does not have his skin color
Frick the media and comics, frick miles and wannabes who want to replace the heroes
The wrong here are the people who see only the skin color and not the values that hold the heroes
Then why are people review-bombing Ms Marvel without even seeing the film, just because she's a non-white Muslim? Even though she's as much of a hero as any other Marvel/DC cape? Why can't they identify with her values?
Her values suck
Faith, self-sacrifice, courage, patriotism and optimism suck? Would you be saying this if we were discussing, say, Captain America instead?
Can you show examples how each one of those words you used are Kamala Khan's values?
She wasn't made with good intentions. You can make a superhero who fights crime. Or you can make a superhero to attract a specific audience because the hero matches their race/religion/gender. Ms Marvel wasn't made to fight crime with the Avengers. She was made to auto fellate her creator
>imfrickingplying Cap, Spidey and other heros weren't meant to be relatable as well
Imagine moving the goalposts THIS much to prevent confessing you just don't like Muslims. I love Cap even though I'm not a white American, and I'm fine with Ms Marvel because she stands for the same things he does.
Maybe the Martian isn’t the best guy to talk to on racial matters
Mars had two races. White and green.
Which one were the bad guys again?
Pretty racist of you to assume all white martians are evil, Bigot.
No just the ones we've seen. Including the sleeper agent Miss Martian
But did Martian himself denounce white Martians as inherently 'evil' and/or 'inferior'?
This is a comic from 2003 by the way. people complain about comics getting POZZED now? Like imagine being a black kid and reading this and you're just like... damn. Superman thinks I like black heroes more?
Try being Asian. The only Asian heros I can name off the top of my head are Shang Chi and Jubilee; practically all the other notable Asian characters are villains (e.g. The Mandarin, Silver Samurai).
What about Samurai Jack?
>voiced by a black guy
Sure, but I thought we were discussing COMIC heros. Cartoons are a bit better.
There's an asian hero in the Bat family now. Go read some manga if you want representation.
OK. Thanks for being honest about your lack of care for representation; I'd rather have that than endless evasion and weaselling.
Damien Wayne (he's half asian)
Kato
Katana
Ryan Choi the Atom
Cassandra Cain
Tawky Tawny (Asian Tiger)
I don't read much marvel anymore sorry.
>Try being Asian. The only Asian heros I can name off the top of my head
There are multiple entire subgenres devoted primarily to Asian superheroes.
Superman inception is pozzed.
Bro... they literally introduced Steel and Superboy for the hip and black teens. And guess what? Where are they now?
Turns out if you market to 12% of the population you make 12% of the revenue.
The death of Superman and his legacy aftermath was extremely successful. DC tried so hard to make a movie after it to maximize profit but legal issues and creative differences with the director stop it from happening.
Not really white Americans have tje Lowest in group preference in the country. They're more then willing to watch black lead media. Black Americans have much higher in group preference. You're really just expanding your profit by 12% in theory.
This encourages racial segregation.
>discussing race promotes segregation
In other news, discussing conflict promotes war, discussing world hunger promotes famines, and discussing wealth inequality promotes poverty. Makes sense!
Color of membership obviously has to do with color. The artists and writers could make these characters any color they want. Their color is literally a creative choice being consciously made by (white) people.
There aren't more characters of color in the Justice League because they weren't fricking created and put there.
If color is arbitrary to the quality of the hero as a symbol, why isn't it being selected arbitrarily?
>People identify with, and create stories about, people like them
Whoa...
>People identify with...people like them
Yes, thank you, that's my point. And why MM is fricking wrong about color not mattering within this particular context
>and create stories about
And I'm glad we've established there's an intentional color bias to membership within the league.
>Schuster and Siegel were Christian
>Schuster and Siegel were aliens
>Eastman and Laird are Teenage Mutants
>Eastman and Laird are ninja turtles
Hell I can go on but you'll probably say I'm playimg semantics.
Semantics? I don't even understand what you're trying to say so how could I argue you're saying it wrong.
Color/rave/sexual orientation doesn't matter. Experience does. And if you can empathize with a hero then that will build a connection far better than looking like him.
Peter Parker gets evicted from his apartment after living from oaycheck to paycheck.
Superman goes through marital strife and being a good parent.
Batman constantly struggles between HIS mission and wanting to be part of society.
Wolverine keeps people at arms length because he can hurt them.
But how many people walk outside as a nonwhite or nonstraight and experience racism or sexism to the point where they have to make it their identity?
>Color/race/sexual orientation doesn't matter. Experience does.
Ah, yes, cause color/race/sexual orientation doesn't inform experience.
>But how many people walk outside as a nonwhite or nonstraight and experience racism or sexism to the point where they have to make it their identity?
>Peter Parker gets evicted from his apartment after living from oaycheck to paycheck.
So to be clear, poor and a superhero is a compelling narrative about dealing with both real world and fantastical challenges while being given supernatural gifts.
But a discriminated against minority and a superhero isn't? Those troubles are somehow something you don't want to see people be challenged by and survive?
Poverty representation good. Minority representation bad. Spider-Man's identity isn't fricking poor. That's just part of his life experience. A relatable part of his life experience for a lot of people, as is being a fricking minority.
Also white is a race, you frickwit. It's not the lack of race. You're acting like white/cis/male is some sort of default and assigning any other traits is just surface level fluff that draws attention away from the character's life experience. The actual frick is wrong with you?
When you're conditioned to see the white experience as normal and 'correct', you instinctively reject any other viewpoints as aberrations to this normalcy. Life is so much more complicated than that, and comics should reflect this. But of course, we'll still hear whinging about 'wokeism' and 'marginalisation' despite the virtual lack of any notable Muslim heros other than Marvel. Go on, name another.
I don't know. Create some instead of randomly turning characters into different races. You think people cared when Nick Fury turned black? No because it was different universe. But then that became the standard for all Nick Fury's
>instead of randomly turning characters into different races
I wasn't calling for that? I wasn't calling for anything. I was pointing out a creative bias.
>But then that became the standard for all Nick Fury's
No Nick Fury turned black. Why are you mad at people creating characters of color?
Uh, sweetie, the problem is that y'all are an uncle Tom. You're full of internalized racism. You should go listen to rap, eat watermelons and burn some black owned business in your ghetto like a good african american leftist.
>I read capeshit to relate to the characters
when did this homosexualry happen?
Since Superman stood for Truth, Justice and the American Way, AND posed as an ordinary US citizen working as a journalist?
This thread isn't about why people read comics. This is about the creative process and what writers think characters mean to readers.
Obviously it would be fricking stupid to discuss why people read comics when they don't
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Me neither. I'm white, and I don't like Superman at all, mostly because he's such a blatant israeli power fantasy.