>Deadpool 3 is going to be another "multiverse" story and it's going to have old actors play roles from better movies or just have them replaced by CGI and AI
I'm so tired
At least it's a one time thing. They can only do the REMEMBA DIS ACTOR????? shit once and at this point they have to be reduced to literally never evers like Bale or who even wants this like Affleck's Daredevil.
>movie 1’s plot was influenced by Kelly’s Deadpool >movie 2’s plot was influenced by Nicieza’s Cable & Deadpool >movie’s 3 plot isn’t influenced by Posehn & Duggan
What a shame. They got Hugh Jackman on board; they could’ve even done The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly.
I'm getting really tired of every superhero movie is some multiverse shit with past actors showing up.
We had two Spiderverse movies, a live Spiderverse-ish movie with middle aged Toby, multiverse Flash, multiverse Dr Strange, multiverse CW series, when is this multiverse shit going to stop already?
The Flash >stars some uncharismatic xir not known to anyone pulling triple duty >rehashes Man of Steel but with an OC Supergirl >brings back AU Keaton when literally nobody bar Burger boomers cares about him >doesn't even have a cool villain >Flash himself isn't a well-known character with international appeal >literally part of a dead universe >script and CGI issues
Deadpool >starring Reynolds and Jackman, big stars with appeal worldwide >brings back specific versions of characters that appeared in the 00s, prime nostalgia material for the 20-30 somethings making up the bulk of the audience of these flicks >is going to have a bunch of returning villains from Fox, maybe feature Kang, ties into the wider MCU >Deadpool, even if his popularity has died down, spent a decade+ as a huge marketable icon and is well known everywhere >no risk of extremely awful effects since the superpowers are more down to Earth
Gee, these are totally the same! DP3 could still end up being shite, but Jackman, Reynolds, McKellen and Stewart, at the very least, in the same movie, is far more attractive to the average moviegoer than the Flash ft Keaton and OC Supergirl. How is that even a question? DP3 is going to be a FoX-Men, maybe FantasticFox movie in disguise, how can anyone compare that nostalgia b8 to the Flash's?
Main Barry, homosexual Barry with longer hair and evil Barry who looks like a burned Bionicle. Maybe evil Barry and homosexual Barry are the same character, I don't know, point is there's three xirs there.
Literally all it says is that the plot is similar, what does any of that have to do with having a similar story
>plot and theme
He's stirring up the pot by going >da Flush had cameoz and multiverse und Deadpool has cameoz and multiverse hurdur I wondah what count happenz?!
Might as well complain that all capeshit has a good guy in spandex and a bad guy in spandex. It's either done well or it's not, the basic premise being similar is a nothingburger at this point when >muh multiverse
is the current "thing". Point is even if the Deadpool script is as trash as the Flush's, it'll still have so much genuine nostalgia b8 that people will watch it regardless.
Basically this, even if DP 3 somehow turns up as bad as the Flush it has actual nostalgia power and the main two leads are fun to watch.
Exactly. It's impossible for it to be as bad, but it's besides the point; it's got so actual nostalgia b8 in it and star power to not be enjoyable.
How does that any of that make it better? The fact that Deadpool is a comedy for the most part and his whole thing is media awarness and breaking the fourth wall only makes it worse, because they have an excuse now to be EXTRA obnoxious with how they do those references.
Not the point you moronic Black person. Posting a >le shocked
gif and pretending DP3 has any chance of failing like Flush is peak pretending to be moronic behaviour. It could turn out to be an obnoxious mess, but Reynolds and Jackman alone playing off each other will bring people in. Add the entirety of the FoX-Men and you're dealing with NWH level of influence.
And even in the worst case scenario it'll still be better because the Flush is an absolutely abysmal premise with a mediocre cast. It's a watered down Flashpoint filled with bottom-of-the-barrel CGI. There's absolutely no version of this where a Deadpool and Wolverine movie fails that much. The point is that Fluch can't even lean on the memberies to save it, which is something DP3 obviously can do, regardless of its quality, so pretending to be "worried" is just being a disingenuous moron. That's what I'm saying.
>Add the entirety of the FoX-Men and you're dealing with NWH level of influence.
Be realistic. They've already got Jackman, the interest level is basically capped there. Getting any of the B- and C-listers isn't going to put extra butts in seats.
People were saying the same about TASM and Garfield was most definitely loved in NWH. Bringing in McKellen and Stewart at the very least is a big deal. If DP3 is the swan song of the FoX-Men (with probably an appearance in SW) and marketed as >the heroes of your childhood, now done right True Believers (TM)
then it most definitely will have an effect on the BO. Studios are just now trying to slowly rev up Y2K nostalgia, since the demographics for that are in their 20s-30s.
I care about Keaton enough to NOT want him in The Flash.
Sure, you can like Keaton, but my point is that he's not a draw, certainly not on a Tobey/Garfield level. His films were from the late 80s/early 90s. Since then there's been Clooney and Kilmer which were memoryholed, and eventually Bale who is THE Batman in the public consciousness. If you're going to bank on nostalgiabucks, you can't go past 20-25 years. For better or worse, the FoX-Men are the only X-Men the normalgays know movie-wise, and the fact that they're from a time long ago yet close enough, means they work as nostalgiab8. Keaton just doesn't. I watched the reruns as a kid, it doesn't mean I have any emotional attachment to it. And INT BO matters too. In China anything before the 00s might as well not exist. High End collectible companies always say that any IP made before the 00s is a big risk. But Bale and Affleck they'll eat up and spend thousands on.
The hard pill to swallow is that in the current market Marvel is the one holding all the nostalgia bucks. They spent the entire 90s-00s-10s branching out and putting out content in various media while DC lagged behind. Yes they have Batman TAS, which is of course superior to the Marvel offerings, but Marvel had Spider-Man TAS & X-Men TAS. They had Blade in the 90s then followed with X-Men, Spider-Man, Hulk, FF; bad or not, they exist in the collective consciousness. Marvel had MvC, Spider-Man on PS1 & PS2, Ultimate Alliance, and so on. DC had no memorable games until Arkham. So they have nothing to bank on.
The problem is that you're not considering that if No Way Home was as disastrously done and handled as Flash, the guest-appearances by Maguire and Garfield wouldn't help much
No Way Home had approximately the same budget but also goodwill from MCU's past years. If they had the DCEU's trajectory since Man of Steel, and had Ezra Miller play Spider-Man instead of Tom Holland, and had the Flash director and writer on No Way Home instead, those guest-appearances wouldn't help.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh and also >someone announces that the MCU will be rebooted, before the movie is even out
That's another thing that went against the Flash, because knowing that ahead of time, why bother watching?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh and also >someone announces that the MCU will be rebooted, before the movie is even out
That's another thing that went against the Flash, because knowing that ahead of time, why bother watching?
These are all factors and everything, but the whole point of the twitter post is that DP3 is similar to the Flush, on a core level. So we're examining the core similarities of both them and NWH which was the one that showed how many nostalgiabucks there are to be made. Goodwill from the MCU and everything helped, but the basic fact is that >Spider-Man, and in this instance Deadpool, are much bigger names than Flash >all quality aside NWH had genuine nostalgia to fall back, same with Deadpool >even if the films were trash and ended up having no legs, they'd still make money on the basic premise of much bigger draws in the actors and characters >ultimately these superficial similarities do not matter at all since the execution has infinite possibilities (hyperbole but you get the point)
You just can't compare the Flush ft BatGeriatric and Deadpool+Wolverine ft the entire FoX-Men in the real of drawing power, period.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Deadpool 3 is going to be an interesting case. Their big advantages are Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman, in a film as classic Deadpool and Fox Wolverine, which people have been demanding since Origins flopped
still goodwill from the Deadpool films
Only downsides are:
lessened MCU goodwill
lot of multiversal movies
Fear of MCU-ized Deadpool
That said I don't think it's as severe as the tweeter thinks, but now it'll all depend on the execution of the film
11 months ago
Anonymous
It'll have the GA's goodwill, and if it's good, it'll have legs to keep going on and on. They'll have to tremendously shit the bed for it to fall apart. And with the Marvels being another shitfest, people will be glad for DP3 in May 2024 to "finally course correct the MCU". It's got a lot going for it. If they ruin that, it'll be over, unironically.
>brings back AU Keaton when literally nobody bar Burger boomers cares about him
That's where you tried too hard.
Your problem is that you're thinking too personally. Burton's Batman is a capeclassic but Returns divided people even back then, and Keaton never rose above it. Sure he had his Birdman and Beetlejuice, but in the collective consciousness of the whole world, he doesn't exist. People know Beetlejuice, but like Burton's Baflicks, they're part of the collective Burton personality. You as a Bong about the older Batman movies, he'll say "oh yeah, Burton's flicks". People know Batman and will go to watch Batman but Keaton, as a name, is a non-factor. The audience for these movies is primarily 20-30 somethings plus teens and kids who drag their parents. 20-30 somethings obviously have nostalgia for the things of their youth, which are more likely to include Blade and X-Men and Raimi-Man. Sure they could've caught the Keaton flicks on tv as I did, but it's FoX-Men and Raimi-Man they went to the theatre to watch as 10 YOs. That's what nostalgia aims for, the emotional attachment, not the mere acknowledgement. The parents of the 20 YOs will remember watching the Raimi flicks with them when they were younger and feel the desire to go watch Raimi-Man hit the screen again. That's how the whole thing works. It's a 20 year cycle.
There is a nostalgia for Keaton, as the first cinematic Batman, but it's far, far more minimal compared to the nostalgia for Raimi's movies or the FoX-Men. Jackman's been playing Wolverine for 2 decades now, people literally grew up with him. The whole discussion is ridiculous. Flush banked on just Keaton, who is just not a big enough draw.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Marvels being another shitfest
Movie hasn’t even released yet homosexual
11 months ago
Anonymous
From what i've read and seen on youtube. Brie Larson is being the real problem child when it comes to the Marvels. She's the definition of an entitled selfish movie star.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>From what i've read and seen on youtube
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I'm sure everyone's so hyped to watch c**t Fungus, Random AfroWoman and Least Watched D+ Marvel Show Girl....
Not that anon you responded to, but I think the problem is in this debate is, we don't know if it's true if Keaton was not a draw.
A major, major problem is that Henry Cavill announced he was no longer playing Superman and James Gunn announced that they were gonna completely reboot everything. This was months before the Flash movie released.
If you knew there was gonna be a reboot, why watch the movie?
Second part is that whatever WB tried to do to rehabilitate Ezra's image or keep things under wraps, it wasn't enough, and it felt like way more people heard the news reports about him than expected.
Even if everything that went wrong with WB didn't go down as it did, it still would've had far too little in the way of nostalgia b8 to even have a hope against NWH. It'd had done better, sure, but with the movie remaining unchanged, and the only nostalgia b8 being Keaton, it was never going to do the gangbusters NWH did, or DP3 potentially can. There is no chance a Flash movie with Keaton could ever outgross a Deadpool + Wolverine ft. X-Men film. So fake-panicking that DP3 features a multiverse story like Flush is just silly, that's my point.
The only people I've seen remotely hyped about this movie was because they heard of Keaton being used. A lot of them just knew it was gonna suck anyway, so they didn't bother.
Yeah, that's not making it better... Keaton is nostalgia b8, he's not even bad nostalgia b8, but at this point in time he's just not on the level of Spider-Tobey, Jackman and the rest. He's from a past point in time that's still being referenced but he's been left so far behind that the GA is not going to respond to him in droves. And WB clearly banked on him, as the majority of The Flash (TM) merch is just Batman stuff. Hot Toys spent 3 weeks straight announcing Batman figures. They even put up the abysmal Batfleck suit up for PO, including the bike. Batman sells, period. Batman's a draw. Keaton as Batman is yeah, sure. But in the current age, in the era preparing to cash in on Y2K nostalgia, he's just not enough to be the pillar of your movie.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>in the era preparing to cash in on Y2K nostalgia
They've been doing it for a while, methinks. Tobey Spidey for instance.
so what, Deadpool goes into another universe where he didn't exist and then teams up with a 70 something year old 80s era superhero, (Ferigno Hulk? Greatest American Hero?) and they stop evil Deadpool from killing his mother or some shit?
They could throw in Zardu Hasselfrau as Nick Fury, while they're at it, as long as they don't kill him for lulz.
I'm getting really tired of every superhero movie is some multiverse shit with past actors showing up.
We had two Spiderverse movies, a live Spiderverse-ish movie with middle aged Toby, multiverse Flash, multiverse Dr Strange, multiverse CW series, when is this multiverse shit going to stop already?
>multiverse CW series
To be fair, Crisis On Infinite Earths is something legit to adapt, unlike the rest. Too bad they killed Best Flash for it, had to do it with that fricking Arrow shitshow, they just HAD to imitate the ending for Avengers Endgame and couldn't get Smallville Lex.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not that anon you responded to, but I think the problem is in this debate is, we don't know if it's true if Keaton was not a draw.
A major, major problem is that Henry Cavill announced he was no longer playing Superman and James Gunn announced that they were gonna completely reboot everything. This was months before the Flash movie released.
If you knew there was gonna be a reboot, why watch the movie?
Second part is that whatever WB tried to do to rehabilitate Ezra's image or keep things under wraps, it wasn't enough, and it felt like way more people heard the news reports about him than expected.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The only people I've seen remotely hyped about this movie was because they heard of Keaton being used. A lot of them just knew it was gonna suck anyway, so they didn't bother.
How does that any of that make it better? The fact that Deadpool is a comedy for the most part and his whole thing is media awarness and breaking the fourth wall only makes it worse, because they have an excuse now to be EXTRA obnoxious with how they do those references.
I'm going to give the deadpool movie the benefit of the doubt and assume its going to take the piss with all this multiverse bull-shit, which at this point, is getting kind of tired. Compared to the flash movie which was trying to take itself seriously, while also farming 'member berry points. They can both have the same plot/theme, but the delivery is key here: comedy+dissection vs. drama+nostalgia
>I'm going to give the deadpool movie the benefit of the doubt and assume its going to take the piss with all this multiverse bull-shit, which at this point, is getting kind of tired.
Even if it did do that it would still be the same type of movie it's trying to satirize.
This, just like how ironic shitposting is still shitposting, the movie will still be what it is trying to lampoon. Just because it's aware of what it is doesn't absolve it.
Liefeld says it's way more of a Wolverine movie than a Deadpool movie. I liked 2, especially the X-Men and Juggy action, but I worry they're gonna weigh this one down with another evil Wolverine. A fatal flaw imo to the disappointing third act of LOGAN.
What turns me off from Deadpool 3 is that only men appear as big attractions and old Fox X-Men actors appear, who wants to see that?
They should be bringing something that Fox and the MCU never tried to bring before, put Halle Berry in a leotard for example
>Deadpool is going to be fricking trash on par with the flahs
Yeah like Reynolds would totally allow that to happen. Dude legit likes comics and loves deadpool and has been fighting forever for the next movie to be made.
The plot and theme aren't the problems with the Flash, it's all in the writing and execution. For example, audiences loved the multiverse shenanigans in the Spider-Man films from both Sony and Marvel.
Deadpool. Unlike DC movies, doesn't take itself so damn seriously. All a Deadpool movie has to be is funny. It doesn't have to set up the next 20 movies and It doesn't have to deal with a transgender rapist playing the lead character. Unlike the Flash.
so what, Deadpool goes into another universe where he didn't exist and then teams up with a 70 something year old 80s era superhero, (Ferigno Hulk? Greatest American Hero?) and they stop evil Deadpool from killing his mother or some shit?
There's like 5 credited writers I think. Zeb, Reese/Wernik from the first two films, Reynolds himself, and the director of the movie.
Hope it's not a "too many cooks" situation. I feel like movies with more than 3 credited screenwriters end up being a bit messy.
The Flash was good, the only problem is the CGI.
Civil War had a very similar plot and themes to Batman V Superman yet one is relatively well liked while the other is despised.
lmfao no their plots are far from the same except if you boiled them down to heroes fight then team up. civil war is such shit and grey colored trash
>Civil war is such shit and grey colored trash
No
>Deadpool 3 is going to be another "multiverse" story and it's going to have old actors play roles from better movies or just have them replaced by CGI and AI
I'm so tired
At least it's a one time thing. They can only do the REMEMBA DIS ACTOR????? shit once and at this point they have to be reduced to literally never evers like Bale or who even wants this like Affleck's Daredevil.
>movie 1’s plot was influenced by Kelly’s Deadpool
>movie 2’s plot was influenced by Nicieza’s Cable & Deadpool
>movie’s 3 plot isn’t influenced by Posehn & Duggan
What a shame. They got Hugh Jackman on board; they could’ve even done The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly.
Best Deadpool story no cap
Why would a deadpool story involve Cap?
It played up the contrasting character viewpoints, and he worked really well in the story.
For me the Joe Kelly run particularly the Mithras stuff was the best Deadpool no cap
Deadpool 3 has more behind it at least
yep
I'm getting really tired of every superhero movie is some multiverse shit with past actors showing up.
We had two Spiderverse movies, a live Spiderverse-ish movie with middle aged Toby, multiverse Flash, multiverse Dr Strange, multiverse CW series, when is this multiverse shit going to stop already?
Would be funny if ryan reynolds reprises his role as deadpool from the wolverine origins movie as well and has to act with himself as current Deadpool
He already did that in DP2, granted they used archive footage
The Flash
>stars some uncharismatic xir not known to anyone pulling triple duty
>rehashes Man of Steel but with an OC Supergirl
>brings back AU Keaton when literally nobody bar Burger boomers cares about him
>doesn't even have a cool villain
>Flash himself isn't a well-known character with international appeal
>literally part of a dead universe
>script and CGI issues
Deadpool
>starring Reynolds and Jackman, big stars with appeal worldwide
>brings back specific versions of characters that appeared in the 00s, prime nostalgia material for the 20-30 somethings making up the bulk of the audience of these flicks
>is going to have a bunch of returning villains from Fox, maybe feature Kang, ties into the wider MCU
>Deadpool, even if his popularity has died down, spent a decade+ as a huge marketable icon and is well known everywhere
>no risk of extremely awful effects since the superpowers are more down to Earth
Gee, these are totally the same! DP3 could still end up being shite, but Jackman, Reynolds, McKellen and Stewart, at the very least, in the same movie, is far more attractive to the average moviegoer than the Flash ft Keaton and OC Supergirl. How is that even a question? DP3 is going to be a FoX-Men, maybe FantasticFox movie in disguise, how can anyone compare that nostalgia b8 to the Flash's?
>triple duty
?
Ezra plays three characters in Flash
Main Barry, homosexual Barry with longer hair and evil Barry who looks like a burned Bionicle. Maybe evil Barry and homosexual Barry are the same character, I don't know, point is there's three xirs there.
>plot and theme
He's stirring up the pot by going
>da Flush had cameoz and multiverse und Deadpool has cameoz and multiverse hurdur I wondah what count happenz?!
Might as well complain that all capeshit has a good guy in spandex and a bad guy in spandex. It's either done well or it's not, the basic premise being similar is a nothingburger at this point when
>muh multiverse
is the current "thing". Point is even if the Deadpool script is as trash as the Flush's, it'll still have so much genuine nostalgia b8 that people will watch it regardless.
Exactly. It's impossible for it to be as bad, but it's besides the point; it's got so actual nostalgia b8 in it and star power to not be enjoyable.
Not the point you moronic Black person. Posting a
>le shocked
gif and pretending DP3 has any chance of failing like Flush is peak pretending to be moronic behaviour. It could turn out to be an obnoxious mess, but Reynolds and Jackman alone playing off each other will bring people in. Add the entirety of the FoX-Men and you're dealing with NWH level of influence.
And even in the worst case scenario it'll still be better because the Flush is an absolutely abysmal premise with a mediocre cast. It's a watered down Flashpoint filled with bottom-of-the-barrel CGI. There's absolutely no version of this where a Deadpool and Wolverine movie fails that much. The point is that Fluch can't even lean on the memberies to save it, which is something DP3 obviously can do, regardless of its quality, so pretending to be "worried" is just being a disingenuous moron. That's what I'm saying.
>Add the entirety of the FoX-Men and you're dealing with NWH level of influence.
Be realistic. They've already got Jackman, the interest level is basically capped there. Getting any of the B- and C-listers isn't going to put extra butts in seats.
People were saying the same about TASM and Garfield was most definitely loved in NWH. Bringing in McKellen and Stewart at the very least is a big deal. If DP3 is the swan song of the FoX-Men (with probably an appearance in SW) and marketed as
>the heroes of your childhood, now done right True Believers (TM)
then it most definitely will have an effect on the BO. Studios are just now trying to slowly rev up Y2K nostalgia, since the demographics for that are in their 20s-30s.
Sure, you can like Keaton, but my point is that he's not a draw, certainly not on a Tobey/Garfield level. His films were from the late 80s/early 90s. Since then there's been Clooney and Kilmer which were memoryholed, and eventually Bale who is THE Batman in the public consciousness. If you're going to bank on nostalgiabucks, you can't go past 20-25 years. For better or worse, the FoX-Men are the only X-Men the normalgays know movie-wise, and the fact that they're from a time long ago yet close enough, means they work as nostalgiab8. Keaton just doesn't. I watched the reruns as a kid, it doesn't mean I have any emotional attachment to it. And INT BO matters too. In China anything before the 00s might as well not exist. High End collectible companies always say that any IP made before the 00s is a big risk. But Bale and Affleck they'll eat up and spend thousands on.
The hard pill to swallow is that in the current market Marvel is the one holding all the nostalgia bucks. They spent the entire 90s-00s-10s branching out and putting out content in various media while DC lagged behind. Yes they have Batman TAS, which is of course superior to the Marvel offerings, but Marvel had Spider-Man TAS & X-Men TAS. They had Blade in the 90s then followed with X-Men, Spider-Man, Hulk, FF; bad or not, they exist in the collective consciousness. Marvel had MvC, Spider-Man on PS1 & PS2, Ultimate Alliance, and so on. DC had no memorable games until Arkham. So they have nothing to bank on.
The problem is that you're not considering that if No Way Home was as disastrously done and handled as Flash, the guest-appearances by Maguire and Garfield wouldn't help much
No Way Home had approximately the same budget but also goodwill from MCU's past years. If they had the DCEU's trajectory since Man of Steel, and had Ezra Miller play Spider-Man instead of Tom Holland, and had the Flash director and writer on No Way Home instead, those guest-appearances wouldn't help.
Oh and also
>someone announces that the MCU will be rebooted, before the movie is even out
That's another thing that went against the Flash, because knowing that ahead of time, why bother watching?
These are all factors and everything, but the whole point of the twitter post is that DP3 is similar to the Flush, on a core level. So we're examining the core similarities of both them and NWH which was the one that showed how many nostalgiabucks there are to be made. Goodwill from the MCU and everything helped, but the basic fact is that
>Spider-Man, and in this instance Deadpool, are much bigger names than Flash
>all quality aside NWH had genuine nostalgia to fall back, same with Deadpool
>even if the films were trash and ended up having no legs, they'd still make money on the basic premise of much bigger draws in the actors and characters
>ultimately these superficial similarities do not matter at all since the execution has infinite possibilities (hyperbole but you get the point)
You just can't compare the Flush ft BatGeriatric and Deadpool+Wolverine ft the entire FoX-Men in the real of drawing power, period.
Deadpool 3 is going to be an interesting case. Their big advantages are Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman, in a film as classic Deadpool and Fox Wolverine, which people have been demanding since Origins flopped
still goodwill from the Deadpool films
Only downsides are:
lessened MCU goodwill
lot of multiversal movies
Fear of MCU-ized Deadpool
That said I don't think it's as severe as the tweeter thinks, but now it'll all depend on the execution of the film
It'll have the GA's goodwill, and if it's good, it'll have legs to keep going on and on. They'll have to tremendously shit the bed for it to fall apart. And with the Marvels being another shitfest, people will be glad for DP3 in May 2024 to "finally course correct the MCU". It's got a lot going for it. If they ruin that, it'll be over, unironically.
Your problem is that you're thinking too personally. Burton's Batman is a capeclassic but Returns divided people even back then, and Keaton never rose above it. Sure he had his Birdman and Beetlejuice, but in the collective consciousness of the whole world, he doesn't exist. People know Beetlejuice, but like Burton's Baflicks, they're part of the collective Burton personality. You as a Bong about the older Batman movies, he'll say "oh yeah, Burton's flicks". People know Batman and will go to watch Batman but Keaton, as a name, is a non-factor. The audience for these movies is primarily 20-30 somethings plus teens and kids who drag their parents. 20-30 somethings obviously have nostalgia for the things of their youth, which are more likely to include Blade and X-Men and Raimi-Man. Sure they could've caught the Keaton flicks on tv as I did, but it's FoX-Men and Raimi-Man they went to the theatre to watch as 10 YOs. That's what nostalgia aims for, the emotional attachment, not the mere acknowledgement. The parents of the 20 YOs will remember watching the Raimi flicks with them when they were younger and feel the desire to go watch Raimi-Man hit the screen again. That's how the whole thing works. It's a 20 year cycle.
There is a nostalgia for Keaton, as the first cinematic Batman, but it's far, far more minimal compared to the nostalgia for Raimi's movies or the FoX-Men. Jackman's been playing Wolverine for 2 decades now, people literally grew up with him. The whole discussion is ridiculous. Flush banked on just Keaton, who is just not a big enough draw.
>Marvels being another shitfest
Movie hasn’t even released yet homosexual
From what i've read and seen on youtube. Brie Larson is being the real problem child when it comes to the Marvels. She's the definition of an entitled selfish movie star.
>From what i've read and seen on youtube
Yeah, I'm sure everyone's so hyped to watch c**t Fungus, Random AfroWoman and Least Watched D+ Marvel Show Girl....
Even if everything that went wrong with WB didn't go down as it did, it still would've had far too little in the way of nostalgia b8 to even have a hope against NWH. It'd had done better, sure, but with the movie remaining unchanged, and the only nostalgia b8 being Keaton, it was never going to do the gangbusters NWH did, or DP3 potentially can. There is no chance a Flash movie with Keaton could ever outgross a Deadpool + Wolverine ft. X-Men film. So fake-panicking that DP3 features a multiverse story like Flush is just silly, that's my point.
Yeah, that's not making it better... Keaton is nostalgia b8, he's not even bad nostalgia b8, but at this point in time he's just not on the level of Spider-Tobey, Jackman and the rest. He's from a past point in time that's still being referenced but he's been left so far behind that the GA is not going to respond to him in droves. And WB clearly banked on him, as the majority of The Flash (TM) merch is just Batman stuff. Hot Toys spent 3 weeks straight announcing Batman figures. They even put up the abysmal Batfleck suit up for PO, including the bike. Batman sells, period. Batman's a draw. Keaton as Batman is yeah, sure. But in the current age, in the era preparing to cash in on Y2K nostalgia, he's just not enough to be the pillar of your movie.
>in the era preparing to cash in on Y2K nostalgia
They've been doing it for a while, methinks. Tobey Spidey for instance.
They could throw in Zardu Hasselfrau as Nick Fury, while they're at it, as long as they don't kill him for lulz.
>multiverse CW series
To be fair, Crisis On Infinite Earths is something legit to adapt, unlike the rest. Too bad they killed Best Flash for it, had to do it with that fricking Arrow shitshow, they just HAD to imitate the ending for Avengers Endgame and couldn't get Smallville Lex.
Not that anon you responded to, but I think the problem is in this debate is, we don't know if it's true if Keaton was not a draw.
A major, major problem is that Henry Cavill announced he was no longer playing Superman and James Gunn announced that they were gonna completely reboot everything. This was months before the Flash movie released.
If you knew there was gonna be a reboot, why watch the movie?
Second part is that whatever WB tried to do to rehabilitate Ezra's image or keep things under wraps, it wasn't enough, and it felt like way more people heard the news reports about him than expected.
The only people I've seen remotely hyped about this movie was because they heard of Keaton being used. A lot of them just knew it was gonna suck anyway, so they didn't bother.
Literally all it says is that the plot is similar, what does any of that have to do with having a similar story
Basically this, even if DP 3 somehow turns up as bad as the Flush it has actual nostalgia power and the main two leads are fun to watch.
How does that any of that make it better? The fact that Deadpool is a comedy for the most part and his whole thing is media awarness and breaking the fourth wall only makes it worse, because they have an excuse now to be EXTRA obnoxious with how they do those references.
I care about Keaton enough to NOT want him in The Flash.
>brings back AU Keaton when literally nobody bar Burger boomers cares about him
That's where you tried too hard.
I'm going to give the deadpool movie the benefit of the doubt and assume its going to take the piss with all this multiverse bull-shit, which at this point, is getting kind of tired. Compared to the flash movie which was trying to take itself seriously, while also farming 'member berry points. They can both have the same plot/theme, but the delivery is key here: comedy+dissection vs. drama+nostalgia
>I'm going to give the deadpool movie the benefit of the doubt and assume its going to take the piss with all this multiverse bull-shit, which at this point, is getting kind of tired.
Even if it did do that it would still be the same type of movie it's trying to satirize.
This, just like how ironic shitposting is still shitposting, the movie will still be what it is trying to lampoon. Just because it's aware of what it is doesn't absolve it.
It'd be funny if Deadpool 3 ends up being a more satisfying sendoff to the FoX-Men franchise than Last Stand or Dark Phoenix ever was.
Liefeld says it's way more of a Wolverine movie than a Deadpool movie. I liked 2, especially the X-Men and Juggy action, but I worry they're gonna weigh this one down with another evil Wolverine. A fatal flaw imo to the disappointing third act of LOGAN.
The evil Wolverine clone was basic but it served its purpose well enough and it wasn't as excessive as like the CGI samurai in The Wolverine
Will be a plus if they take the piss on Logan.
What turns me off from Deadpool 3 is that only men appear as big attractions and old Fox X-Men actors appear, who wants to see that?
They should be bringing something that Fox and the MCU never tried to bring before, put Halle Berry in a leotard for example
Fine! I'll do my own Halle Berry in a leotard movie! In fact, forget the leotard!
Deadpool 3 would be a waste of it played the multiverse concept straight instead of lambasting it
But everyone loves Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds
Let me guess, the guy who posted this was one of the many people who saw Flash before it was released and said it was the best movie since TDK?
>Deadpool is going to be fricking trash on par with the flahs
Yeah like Reynolds would totally allow that to happen. Dude legit likes comics and loves deadpool and has been fighting forever for the next movie to be made.
>Ignores that NWH and ATSV have the exact same plots as The Flash.
it has the same plot as Days of Future Past
The plot and theme aren't the problems with the Flash, it's all in the writing and execution. For example, audiences loved the multiverse shenanigans in the Spider-Man films from both Sony and Marvel.
It got the benefit of not being produced by AT&T.
Deadpool. Unlike DC movies, doesn't take itself so damn seriously. All a Deadpool movie has to be is funny. It doesn't have to set up the next 20 movies and It doesn't have to deal with a transgender rapist playing the lead character. Unlike the Flash.
True
>muh flash failing means you HAVE to cancel deadpool REEEEEEE
DC Cuck tears are always tasty
so what, Deadpool goes into another universe where he didn't exist and then teams up with a 70 something year old 80s era superhero, (Ferigno Hulk? Greatest American Hero?) and they stop evil Deadpool from killing his mother or some shit?
Because zeb Wells is writing it
There's like 5 credited writers I think. Zeb, Reese/Wernik from the first two films, Reynolds himself, and the director of the movie.
Hope it's not a "too many cooks" situation. I feel like movies with more than 3 credited screenwriters end up being a bit messy.