R4 is property to the republic or the Jedi, basically whoever owned the star fighter. Obi Wan didn't own him, as Jedi typically owned nothing but their clothes and lightsaber.
>It's more fun to pretending to be moronic though.
You like when Leia tried to convince Darth Vader she sas on a diplomatic mission even though he had literally chased down the plans right to her ship? See wasn't actually a moron for trying to do that, she was just pretending to be moronic.
Sloppy isn't the right word, none of this was actually planned in 1977, and I'd much rather have the droids be present in all the movies and cover this plothole than have perfectly consistent writing.
>none of this was actually planned in 1977
This is why the original cut of '77 is the only Star Wars movie with any merit as an actual film. Before Lucas started planning shit and changing things to suit sequalitis.
Based take, Theatrical cut of the first film and the Genndy Clone Wars are the best Star Wars material. Everything else is shit carried by other material such as games and books.
What a contrarian shit you are. After 1-3 were released all you had to do is fill in the gap that he's lying. He doesn't even want to reveal his identity!!!! >But but but....
don't you think it's a little weird he would even bring it up. like why even have Luke say "this moron droid remembers you". it's clear that he's lying
You think he kept Anakin alive because he knew he was beatable?
When you think of it, Vader was flawed as a leader and as a warrior and unlikely to change. Not without love from his child to remind him of Padme.
So keeping Vader as Sidious' no.2 makes sense. Because the replacement could be far worse in the long-term.
I did like that they made Obi Wan kind of ruthless at times. Like when he set up that fight, knowing Vader would wreck that woman's shit.
This is so moronic and insulting at the same time. But then again, Obi-Wan was always an butthole, so I guess that fits. But still moronic anime bullshit.
You do realize the Prequels are Lucas too right? And that they invented the whole idea of the force being a measurable superpower? If you’re going to praise his good ideas, you should also acknowledge his bad ones.
He was defending Luke and Leia, I guess. Earlier in the scene he was buried under a bunch of dirt and rocks and Vader thought he had won, but then Obiwan starts thinking of the kids and powered up.
>have sword that cuts everything, block with hand and wave at rocks >have force powers, dont use them to stop rocks after being able to pull a starship out of the sky
i hate disney so much
also, this is just to justify rey being a mary sue with dbz anime rock powers and floating and shit.
>see, obiwan can do it too! rey isnt a mary sue. checkmate cis males
>Luke, did I ever tell you about the time I spent with your Twin Sister? I chased her all around this one planet while she somehow avoided me with her tiny child legs, but it wasn't just me, professional bounty hunters and hitmen and Imperial Agents also somehow were unable to capture her. Anyway, before I get ahead of myself, I had a flash back about your father, this was before he became Darth Vader, to which I remember him being given that name by the leaders of the Dark Side, but later pretended not to remember this and was shocked years after cutting off his legs and leaving him to die in a Volcano, ahhh... I'm getting ahead of myself again. Anyway - No one could catch your sister even though we'd never met before, we met, I failed to tell you this before now. Eventually Darth Vader found out and came after me and we fought in a mining pit and he beat me and then a fire cut us off, it wasn't a very big fire, but he let me go for whatever reason. I'm sure there is a lot I'm not remembering, like not remembering owning droids. Be sure to tune in next week so I can remember more things I'm forgetting that will surely make no sense.
He was a good friend.
All throughout ANH he's lying to Luke to push him towards the path of becoming a Jedi. Why he's OK with taking the last hope of the entire order to the fricking Death Star is another issue entirely.
>The bad penny first dropped in San Francisco when a sweet-faced boy of twelve told me proudly that he had seen Star Wars over a hundred times. His elegant mother nodded with approval. Looking into the boy’s eyes I thought I detected little star-shells of madness beginning to form and I guessed that one day they would explode.
>“I would love you to do something for me,” I said.
>“Anything! Anything!” the boy said rapturously.
>“You won’t like what I’m going to ask you to do,” I said.
>“Anything, sir, anything
>“Well,” I said, “do you think you could promise never to see Star Wars again?”
>He burst into tears. His mother drew herself up to an immense height. “What a dreadful thing to say to a child!” she barked, and dragged the poor kid away. Maybe she was right but I just hope the lad, now in his thirties, is not living in a fantasy world of secondhand, childish banalities.
>3PO is on Owen's farm in Episode 2, presumably been there for years >Anakin takes him >20 years later Owen goes to buy a droid from the Jawas >huh, never seen this droid before in my life
anakin literally built him custom himself on some backwater shithole. how would he ever come across him and his specs and models. he was like fricking 8.
>Luke, did I ever tell you about the time I started hallucinating my old master Qui-Gon Jinn? He looked the same as he did the day he died all those years ago, but had a terribly gravelly voice, like he somehow kept aging after death. He only showed up when I didn't really need his help, and disappeared almost as soon as he came. He was a good friend.
What did George even mean by this line? Why introduce this incredibly minor, and insignificant plot point of R2D2 claiming to belong to Obi-Wan, while Obi-Wan has no recollection? It has no bearing on anything. Leia just selects R2 to carry the message because he's onboard the ship.
>My master Qui Gon Jin was an incredible Jedi mastered the Force to where he could come back as a apparition if he wanted to. But sadly he was run through by an evil Sith named Darth Maul. Who I cut in half but he miraculously survived that and a long fall down a vertical shaft. Those on the dark side were very sturdy, very study indeed. But sadly master did not survive his wounds. Other had survived the same fate by some unjustice will of the dark force but master...master died rather quickly. Anyway, let us go and save Leia Organa. Why I once went on a little adventure with her at one time. A feisty girl. Smart too.
The prequels and sequels suck but to be honest, the original trilogy also has at least one big problem: Empire Strikes Back fricks up Obi Wan's character. It's a ludicrous ret-con.
It really is. Lar Owen's line "That's what I'm afraid of happening" when referring to Anakin seemed to refer more to the fact being a Jedi knight got Anakin killed by Darth more literally. As in, both Anakin and Darth were Obi-wan's students, Darth kills Anakin for some reason and Obi-wan changes his name to "Ben" and hides out of shame. Probably why Alec Guinness hated being in the movie, no way could he say the line "Darth Betrayed and murdered your father" in the context of Return of the Jedi with any pride.
Owen never knew Anakin became a Sith. His line has always kept it's original context.
But the viewer gets additional subtext with multiple viewings, as Luke is tempted to fall to the dark side in episode vi (becoming like his father).
This is a story of love and loss,
fathers and sons,
and a foresight to retain international merchandising rights.
This is the story
of Star Wars.
Let's begin with part four.
He's right. You can't own a droid because droids are people too.
When are you morons going to understand these aren't plotholes? Obi Wan lied to Luke constantly in ANH.
I don't get it. He didn't technically own any droids right? He probably saw shit loads of droids that looked just like R2 and 3P0 in his life
>"Damn fool idealistic crusade"
>the fricking Clone Wars cartoon
He had R4 in Attack of the Clones or some shit. Turns out Obi-Wan is just a demented lying homosexual.
R4 is property to the republic or the Jedi, basically whoever owned the star fighter. Obi Wan didn't own him, as Jedi typically owned nothing but their clothes and lightsaber.
R2D2 was his best friends droid for the duration of the time he knew him.
>When are you morons going to understand these aren't plotholes?
It's more fun to pretending to be moronic though.
>pretending
>pretending
>It's more fun to pretending to be moronic though.
You like when Leia tried to convince Darth Vader she sas on a diplomatic mission even though he had literally chased down the plans right to her ship? See wasn't actually a moron for trying to do that, she was just pretending to be moronic.
Oh no, his head has been burgeoned with a baseball bat too much.
people trying for years to explain this as anything other than terrible sloppy writing always makes me laugh
Sloppy isn't the right word, none of this was actually planned in 1977, and I'd much rather have the droids be present in all the movies and cover this plothole than have perfectly consistent writing.
That's because you lack creativity, just like the writers
>none of this was actually planned in 1977
This is why the original cut of '77 is the only Star Wars movie with any merit as an actual film. Before Lucas started planning shit and changing things to suit sequalitis.
Based take, Theatrical cut of the first film and the Genndy Clone Wars are the best Star Wars material. Everything else is shit carried by other material such as games and books.
Obi lying isn't a plot hole, it's just Obi lying.
Oh yeah, George Lucas had all this in mind when he made Star Wars back in 1977 right?
What a contrarian shit you are. After 1-3 were released all you had to do is fill in the gap that he's lying. He doesn't even want to reveal his identity!!!!
>But but but....
don't you think it's a little weird he would even bring it up. like why even have Luke say "this moron droid remembers you". it's clear that he's lying
The cope is strong with this one
The Cope Awakens.
strike me down with all of your cope and your journey towards the ack side will be complete
He didn't own r2 technically. They were Leia's Droids
from a certain point of view
He owned Grievous tho
So uncivilized
he wasnt a droid
He identified as an attack helicopter
He didn't own R2. R2 was just some worker b***h droid on Padme's ship that saved the day so they brought it along more
>I don't seem to remember ever owning a groid...
>I don’t seem to remember ever owning a Black
You think he kept Anakin alive because he knew he was beatable?
When you think of it, Vader was flawed as a leader and as a warrior and unlikely to change. Not without love from his child to remind him of Padme.
So keeping Vader as Sidious' no.2 makes sense. Because the replacement could be far worse in the long-term.
I did like that they made Obi Wan kind of ruthless at times. Like when he set up that fight, knowing Vader would wreck that woman's shit.
He probably has dementia by this point. Decades in the heat, lots of solitude. It's a miracle he remembered Luke at all.
>When I left you I was but a learner now I am the master.
>Only a master of getting fricking rekt
fricking hilarious, is this really in the show?
No, some anon just went into Blender and shooped all that shit in. What the frick do you think, you fricking moron?
This is so moronic and insulting at the same time. But then again, Obi-Wan was always an butthole, so I guess that fits. But still moronic anime bullshit.
>Force in all the Lucas films is low-key, quasi-religious stuff
>Force in everything else is DnD magic spells
>low-key
There was nothing low-key about it lol
moron
You do realize the Prequels are Lucas too right? And that they invented the whole idea of the force being a measurable superpower? If you’re going to praise his good ideas, you should also acknowledge his bad ones.
Why do Black folk say low-key instead of subtle
because that phrase has entered the cultural zeitgeist and is here to stay
is kenobi now just a fullblown wizard?
>A Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense, never for attack
He was defending Luke and Leia, I guess. Earlier in the scene he was buried under a bunch of dirt and rocks and Vader thought he had won, but then Obiwan starts thinking of the kids and powered up.
He thought about 10 year old Leia and got his rocks off
>Thinking about all those younglings he couldn't save
Damn, that's like some sort of ceramic art or some shit
wat
It's nice to see that they've abandoned all semblance of caring about the original lore.
>have sword that cuts everything, block with hand and wave at rocks
>have force powers, dont use them to stop rocks after being able to pull a starship out of the sky
i hate disney so much
also, this is just to justify rey being a mary sue with dbz anime rock powers and floating and shit.
>see, obiwan can do it too! rey isnt a mary sue. checkmate cis males
>Luke, did I ever tell you about the time I spent with your Twin Sister? I chased her all around this one planet while she somehow avoided me with her tiny child legs, but it wasn't just me, professional bounty hunters and hitmen and Imperial Agents also somehow were unable to capture her. Anyway, before I get ahead of myself, I had a flash back about your father, this was before he became Darth Vader, to which I remember him being given that name by the leaders of the Dark Side, but later pretended not to remember this and was shocked years after cutting off his legs and leaving him to die in a Volcano, ahhh... I'm getting ahead of myself again. Anyway - No one could catch your sister even though we'd never met before, we met, I failed to tell you this before now. Eventually Darth Vader found out and came after me and we fought in a mining pit and he beat me and then a fire cut us off, it wasn't a very big fire, but he let me go for whatever reason. I'm sure there is a lot I'm not remembering, like not remembering owning droids. Be sure to tune in next week so I can remember more things I'm forgetting that will surely make no sense.
He was a good friend.
Were going to find out in the Obi-Wan variety hour that he gets kicked in the head by a tauntaun and becomes moronic
weren't 3PO and R2 technically Republic property?
>C3PO
anakin
>R2
Padme
All throughout ANH he's lying to Luke to push him towards the path of becoming a Jedi. Why he's OK with taking the last hope of the entire order to the fricking Death Star is another issue entirely.
He didn't know about the death star
>The bad penny first dropped in San Francisco when a sweet-faced boy of twelve told me proudly that he had seen Star Wars over a hundred times. His elegant mother nodded with approval. Looking into the boy’s eyes I thought I detected little star-shells of madness beginning to form and I guessed that one day they would explode.
>“I would love you to do something for me,” I said.
>“Anything! Anything!” the boy said rapturously.
>“You won’t like what I’m going to ask you to do,” I said.
>“Anything, sir, anything
>“Well,” I said, “do you think you could promise never to see Star Wars again?”
>He burst into tears. His mother drew herself up to an immense height. “What a dreadful thing to say to a child!” she barked, and dragged the poor kid away. Maybe she was right but I just hope the lad, now in his thirties, is not living in a fantasy world of secondhand, childish banalities.
>And he was a good friend.
>3PO is on Owen's farm in Episode 2, presumably been there for years
>Anakin takes him
>20 years later Owen goes to buy a droid from the Jawas
>huh, never seen this droid before in my life
Droids unironically all look alike, the female one that says echuta to him on Bespin is literally just him if he was silver
Cope. I remember every laptop and every computer I ever owned.
3PO is one of the most common types of droids, had is silver plating replaced with gold, and had his memory wiped.
anakin literally built him custom himself on some backwater shithole. how would he ever come across him and his specs and models. he was like fricking 8.
>Luke, did I ever tell you about the time I started hallucinating my old master Qui-Gon Jinn? He looked the same as he did the day he died all those years ago, but had a terribly gravelly voice, like he somehow kept aging after death. He only showed up when I didn't really need his help, and disappeared almost as soon as he came. He was a good friend.
What did George even mean by this line? Why introduce this incredibly minor, and insignificant plot point of R2D2 claiming to belong to Obi-Wan, while Obi-Wan has no recollection? It has no bearing on anything. Leia just selects R2 to carry the message because he's onboard the ship.
>Years ago you saved me from sex traffickers
Years ago, is now a few year ago you and me
My favorite Oldi-Wan scene has to be the one in RotJ where a ghost feels the need to sit down
>"Oh yeah, I've seen one of these before when some crazy black lady tried to kill me when I was 10 years old. Hers was red though."
She never show the saber to him
fpbp Leia tought him that, CHUDS!
>Obi Wan Kenobi, that's a name I haven't heard in a long time, before you were born
>Except those 150 times I heard it about 9 years ago
wtf, this sub only has capeshit and SW things. Don't you all get tired of it?
>Goes into hiding wearing a Jedi outfit
Obi wan has dementia
What about R4?
Just lie to the kid. Trust me. You fricked up his dad with the truth. Now Lie the force demands it.
>Get that black bastard
>My master Qui Gon Jin was an incredible Jedi mastered the Force to where he could come back as a apparition if he wanted to. But sadly he was run through by an evil Sith named Darth Maul. Who I cut in half but he miraculously survived that and a long fall down a vertical shaft. Those on the dark side were very sturdy, very study indeed. But sadly master did not survive his wounds. Other had survived the same fate by some unjustice will of the dark force but master...master died rather quickly. Anyway, let us go and save Leia Organa. Why I once went on a little adventure with her at one time. A feisty girl. Smart too.
>morons are hating the prequels again thanks to the obi wan show
>named the fat guy porkins
What was Lucas thinking?
Fat people are worthy of mockery and scorn.
You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy in the galaxy
The prequels and sequels suck but to be honest, the original trilogy also has at least one big problem: Empire Strikes Back fricks up Obi Wan's character. It's a ludicrous ret-con.
It really is. Lar Owen's line "That's what I'm afraid of happening" when referring to Anakin seemed to refer more to the fact being a Jedi knight got Anakin killed by Darth more literally. As in, both Anakin and Darth were Obi-wan's students, Darth kills Anakin for some reason and Obi-wan changes his name to "Ben" and hides out of shame. Probably why Alec Guinness hated being in the movie, no way could he say the line "Darth Betrayed and murdered your father" in the context of Return of the Jedi with any pride.
Owen never knew Anakin became a Sith. His line has always kept it's original context.
But the viewer gets additional subtext with multiple viewings, as Luke is tempted to fall to the dark side in episode vi (becoming like his father).
This is a story of love and loss,
fathers and sons,
and a foresight to retain international merchandising rights.
This is the story
of Star Wars.
Let's begin with part four.