It’s really baffling how passionate and intense people are when it comes to something as trivial as tipping. I don’t tip. So what? You don’t know me. End of discussion.
I've seen wagie girls ACTUALLY scream and cry when someone tells them they don't tip, no exaggeration. Seen it multiple times. It's very emotional for them.
That’s fricking moronic. Sometimes poor people need to eat at a restaurant for a multitude of reasons but you’re expecting them to break their bank because waitresses want to be paid more money for bringing out their food?
If you knew how much they make in tips a shift you'd laugh at them as hard as I do. I lived with a 6/10 waitress and 7/10 hostess in my mid 20s when I worked in restaurants and what I learned from them is the reason I don't tip anymore. If you only knew how much they make you wouldn't tip anyone who wasn't deformed or over the age of 45 either. I can say with confidence they're doing better than you are.
>1000 dollars for a steak
and when I google that VIN DORE whatever the most expensive one seems to be around 700 and they charge double that and you still have to tip xd
Unfortunately, just offering to pay gives you the best chance of success, so you should go ahead and do it. Hopefully she will stop you and pay for her part, and that's how you know she's a potential keeper.
You know what's even better though? Don't even go to a restaurant at all, go to a coffee place instead and avoid the entire problem. Worst case scenario is you pay for a $5 coffee, instead of a $100 meal. Pro-tip for you.
It wouldn't help. Most waiters get paid way above minimum wage when factoring in tipping. If no one tipped and they were just paid minimum wage they would be a lot worse off. Also even if they get tipped below minimum wage their employer is legally required to make up the difference.
Not too long ago, stores were closed on Sunday. Because no one would have shopped on Sunday anyways, it wasn’t a big deal. Christian morality gave way to modern convenience and stores started opening. You better believe if people stopped showing up on Sunday, stores would stop opening. Why staff a building when you make no money? It’s not even a matter of “can it be done?” Chick-fil-A is hugely successful and their position is “if it’s a Sunday, go ahead and get KFC.”
I’m a franchise owner of a popular service company that your parents have probably used before. I had to sacrifice weekends and vacations working in my twenties so I could turn a profit and support my then pregnant girlfriend. I came close to filing for bankruptcy on multiple occasions, but I pulled through. I also hire many high school students and compensate them fairly according to inflation. Every single time I hear one of you punks agonizing over how hard you work, I pull out of my phone and show them my schedule. That usually shuts them up. You don’t work hard as hard as you think you do. Try walking a mile in my shoes sometime, hippy.
This is fair but plenty of managers out there get put into an easy spot where they do nothing and reap the same pay that the guy who built it made after the company is well established from previous work
>franchise owner
how tf did you buy a franchise ? mcdonalds is like 1m and the others arent much cheaper
were you rich before opening up shop ? no one gives a loan of a mil to some random 20yo guy with a pregnant gf
As a server you pretty much speed walk nonstop for 8 hours jumping to every homosexual's beck and whim (which they only tell you each time you come back, never all at once with the strange requests) while you try not to piss off a black person who will cause a scene and destroy the whole restaurant before the police come.
Also you melt all feeling off your hands holding scalding plates after you get to another server's table while the customers do that thing where they FORGET WHAT THEY FRICKING ORDERED
No they just pay with declined cards, then they scrounge together a combination of pocket change, an expired gift card, and Apple Pay to cover the rest. (This is literally impossible to put in the system and close out in less than 5 minutes for their payment to go through)
I never tip a place where I don't get table service. Cowards need to hit up there manager for more pay not me. They had them by tue balls during the coof but those homosexuals fricked that up too.
I went to Starbucks recently and they even ask you for tips at the drive-thru now, no idea when they started that because I hadn't been there in 2 years but it's the gayest tipping homosexualry I've seen yet. I went to pay with my card and the display asked for a tip...
Crazy you mention that. I saw this thread after I got a small drip coffee at Peets and it had the same. No Tip button every time. Good on you for not buckling.
I tip bc I'm a huge homosexual but I really agree with mr pink, tipping culture is moronic, a tip is something meant to gift if the waiter earns it, not if he just does his fricking job he already gets paid for doing
And if they earn too little they should get a salary raise from their fricking boss, not literal charity from strangers who in many cases also earn too little
Aw geez if everyone just did the obvious and asked for a salary raise from their boss.... then we'd all strike it rich laddies!!!!!
Nobody's ever really thought of something this groundbreaking, you should write a book 🙂
Tipping is one of those none real issues like racism that people like to have a trillion discussions about instead of focusing on their own life,mental and family issues just because they are TOLD it's important and a major issue like global warming.
Tipping is moral extortion meant to line the pockets of business owners while foisting the responsibility of their own employees wage onto the customer while giving the customer 0 power to fire or actually manage said employee. Spoiled waiters and waitresses with ideal hours are incentivized to defend this extortion because they make far more money than they normally would with this job by continuing to guilt customers into this extortion racket.
If you have an IQ above 100, you are in favor of abolishing tipping. Only idiots think it's a good system.
Serving isn't an easy job that many people are capable of, otherwise more people would do it. Most tradies and construction workers make less an hour than waiters, yet they aren't waiters.
Pays better than many jobs that people do for careers at the entry level, such as construction and trades. Many tradies don't get an income increase for decades unless they literally start their own company.
Your argument doesn't do anything to defend tipping as a justified practice but merely resorts to more moral extortion. I couldn't possibly care less if it's a hard job. We don't turn all of these other hard jobs that exist into tipping models where we turn workers into glorified beggars hassling people for extra money constantly because it's "socially expected", so there's no reason waiters or waitresses as a profession should have that luxury either. Fricking get rid of it.
Stop aiming your anger at people who should have absolutely fricking nothing to do with how much you are paid. It is not a customer's job to make sure you have enough money. They are a customer, not your friend. Don't like it? Get a different job. The customer is not your employer.
Based
American tipping is the most israeli thing in the world >I need to pay people extra to do thier no-skilled labour job in a respectable manner >if I want to eat here again I better pay 20%+ on top of what I have to pay so they don't spit and shit in my food.
Serving isn't an easy job that many people are capable of, otherwise more people would do it. Most tradies and construction workers make less an hour than waiters, yet they aren't waiters.
If it's so low skill why doesn't every minimum wage worker do it?
Because you use israeli strategies of shame and alienation to trick people into it so ~~*restaurant*~~ owners don't have to
I live in a real country where we pay people properly and people don't hold food ransom and do thier jobs because it's what they are paid to do >waiting is LE hard!
Frick. Off. Zoomer. You wouldn't know hard work if it bit you on your disgusting and rotting troony taint
No it's just israeli
If I order a salad at $5
And someone orders at steak at $50
The waiter just carries it 10 metres, it's the same amount of "work"
Why should the waiter get tipped 10x as much for carrying a steak?
Fricking moronic.
>Entire job is taking orders and bringing food to tables >Is paid a wage by employer to do this >expects extra money for doing the thing she's already paid to do
yeah sorry toots, shit don't work like that. now refill my fricking coffee
Everyone with a brain despises tipping and the fact that Americans still haven't gotten rid of it after so long says a lot about who they are as people culturally. They know it's corrupt and wrong but they're so passive and weak willed that they'll never actually fight to get rid of it. They'll wait around like sloths until the Restaurant industry collapses on its own because that's how modern Americans handle things.
I only tip male waiters of my same race, and i will only tip cash as in i hand him the money, because electronic tipping gets pooled towards the roasties or it gets pocketed by the israeli owner
>deliver pizzas >Hungry Howies charges 3.00 delivery fee >fee does not go to me >people tell me they will not tip because they had to pay the fee
Please tip your delivery drivers. we have to pay for gas and car repairs
And it’s almost always cold, inedible shit by the time it arrives, even if you live 5 minutes from the restaurant. Seriously, there’s a reason pizza and Chinese were the only restaurants that delivered for the longest time. They are ready fast, they stay warm well in a hot bag, and they can be reheated and still taste ok. My wife won a free year of grub hub delivered during the covid lockdown, while she was pregnant with our first, and we maybe used it two times before we realized every place was going to deliver cold shit to our door for $35 plus tip.
So a beggar and an extortionist. Any other threats you'd like to make while you're at it? That perhaps you'll murder my family since you know where I live if I don't pony up?
I get it for waiters. They are literally just doing their job so frick their tip. But for us drivers we are wasting our personal gas and risking our personal means of transportation. The least you could do is 20% or pick it up yourself
>I get it for waiters. They are literally just doing their job so frick their tip. But for us drivers we are wasting our personal gas and risking our personal means of transportation. The least you could do is 20% or pick it up yourself
Why not just not put that burden onto me to pay their/your wage, list the food prices for exactly what they cost including any possible delivery charge being openly displayed, and then just let me decide whether I want to pay those prices or not?
The answer is because then there wouldn't be a flimsy excuse for a restaurant's employees to morally extort me for extra money and the business gets fewer sales since they'd have to list their food prices for what they were actually charging rather than listing them much cheaper and then just assfricking idiots with hidden fees.
The customer is never and will never be responsible for an employees wage no matter how hard these corporate dickheads try to make it your problem. Stop falling for their bullshit.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Tipping allows customers with means to subsidize the cost of servers, lowering the price for poorer citizens
9 months ago
Anonymous
WRONG. Bullshit cope. People feel pressured to mandatorily tip and every study on the matter has found that the vast majority of tippers do not actually meaningfully change the amount they tip unless service is unusually bad.
The industry is so confident in getting away with its bullshit anyways that many restaurants have made minimum tips mandatory at this point anyways or ban customers who don't tip. Even if they don't do this, they'll deliberately give those customers terrible service to punish them for not tipping as much as richer customers, so it's actually a racist, anti-poor practice and incentivizes worse service for poorer customers if you want to take the homosexual SJW route.
No matter what, tipping is shit. From every angle except the angle of pampered service industry workers with the best hours(another unfair practice) and the owners.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's factually true. If people feel compelled to tip beyond their means, that's an issue with culture not the mechanical practice of tipping
9 months ago
Anonymous
You're an actual idiot and you've yet to present a single argument that meaningfully defends tipping as a practice. Every single time it's some nonsense irrelevant cope.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's a simple implementation of price elasticity, neither better nor worse than coupons
9 months ago
Anonymous
I've illustrated no less than 10 ways in which it is corrupt and needlessly inconveniences customers and is extremely unbalanced and unfair. You've done nothing to defend it as a practice or list in what ways it's actually good, because it simply isn't. The only people it is beneficial to are service industry workers who are lucky enough to get good hours and owners for being able to trick customers, list artificially low prices, and gut them with hidden fees.
9 months ago
Anonymous
redditor
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Why not just not put that burden onto me
Entrenchment by the industry overall, i.e everyone expects and is expected to tip. A singular guy or business can't change that, and the ones that try will get spit in their food and go out of business respectively.
>The answer is because
Above. Anything else is just a cope.
>The customer is never and will never be responsible for an employees wage
They technically aren't, you're just giving a completely voluntary tip.
>Stop falling for their bullshit.
See the first post.
9 months ago
Anonymous
In other words, it is bullshit, you acknowledge I'm correct, but personally feel helpless to institute a change because it's so heavily entrenched and you think 1 person never changed anything.
Tips are increasingly involuntary btw and are considered a mandatory charge by restaurants at this point. They just hide it from menu prices and automatically charge you an additional mandatory tip fee. Even those that don't simply use extortion to try and force it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It's only bullshit if you completely ignore that it's the system currently in place, while considering the consequences also being bullshit.
In other words no, it "exists" and you will suffer the consequences.
>Feel helpless
I don't care since I'm not an American. I just think your personal thinking on the matter, and by other extension other matters, is childish and moronic.
>Tips are mandatory
Oh, then they're essentially transitioning into you paying the costs of their wages in a more direct way rather than the loose "voluntary" system they had before? Isn't that you wanted? The price to reflect the cost of your meals being served to you?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>It's only bullshit if you completely ignore that it's the system currently in place
What kind of dumbfrick nonsense argument is this? What part of you thought this was an intelligent thing to say? The correctitude of a system is determined by its status of implementation? Just lmfao. Actual moron.
> I just think your personal thinking on the matter, and by other extension other matters, is childish and moronic.
Then you're a moron since, like the other guy, you haven't actually presented any reason why tipping should be in place other than "it just is that way". Your way of thinking is far more childish than mine.
>Oh, then they're essentially transitioning into you paying the costs of their wages in a more direct way rather than the loose "voluntary" system they had before? Isn't that you wanted? The price to reflect the cost of your meals being served to you?
Yes, but directly listed in prices rather than as hidden "tip" and "service" fees that they apply after tallying your total along with tax that they don't even list anywhere on their menus.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>What kind of argument is this?
Do you mean the system is "bullshit" in that it doesn't exist, yes or no? Try actually giving an answer this time instead of seething.
>you haven't actually presented any reason why tipping should be in place other than "it just is that way"
Ah, so you are purely arguing on a "why is X better" position. The problem is that even if it is better, your individual actions do nothing to solve the problem. Not tipping isn't you being "moral", you're just being cheap and dressing it up as such.
>Your way of thinking is far more childish than mine.
"Just lmfao. Actual moron."
>Yes, but directly listed in prices...
So?
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Do you mean the system is "bullshit" in that it doesn't exist, yes or no?
No you fricking idiot. I'm guessing you're ESL since no native English speaker on the planet could possibly have read my posts and come to the conclusion that I was arguing that tipping doesn't exist. I'm arguing that it shouldn't.
>The problem is that even if it is better, your individual actions do nothing to solve the problem.
People enact change by acting as an individual and acting together. If Americans actually collectively rejected tipping, it would go away.
>Not tipping isn't you being "moral", you're just being cheap and dressing it up as such.
Again, more moral extortion and shifting of blame. "If you don't tip, you're just hurting the poor delivery driver." I'm not the one who set up his salary. I didn't make the owner's business model. You are directing your blame at the wrong person. This is no different than the owners holding up the service industry people as human shields to say "Look! If you don't pay their wages, they're going to suffer! This is YOUR fault! If you try not tipping, you're just hurting them!"
Do you genuinely not see the corruption and blame shifting going on there? At no point should a delivery guy get angry with a customer about his salary arrangement with his employer.
>"Just lmfao. Actual moron."
Not my fault you're acting like an idiot.
>So?
So that the customer knows exactly what they're paying ahead of time and doesn't have to deal with the bullshit moral extortion that is tipping. They just pay and that's it. It works like that everywhere else in the world.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, forgot to add: they don't include mandatory tipping as some kind of flat cost even, which would be the ideal. They still leave it open because they're greedy c**ts. It's mandatory MINIMUM tips, usually 3-5$. Tipping is increasingly becoming no longer optional, but the new meta is basically Office Space's pieces of flair. We wouldn't want to just have the bare minimum tip and be a cheapo that upsets the delivery guy, now would we?
>20%
What a israeli c**t you are. Get a real job if you're not satisfied with your payment. The highest I ever tipped was 15% and I usually tip 10% if they are nice to me
9 months ago
Anonymous
anything beyond a 0% tip requires the waitress to get under the table and give herself an esophagus massage...
using my hard sweaty wiener of course
>we have to pay for gas and car repairs
Then what's the fee for? Sounds like you need to take it up with management. Those fees are for gas and maintenance on company owned vehicles. If you're using a personal vehicle that fee shouldn't exist or it should be going directly to you instead. Your employer is scamming you dummy. But of course you won't say anything to jeopardize your position because you're making more than enough from the people who do tip, aren't you? A whole lot than you'd make at a department store or warehouse or doing data entry.
>i should not have nights where i make 12 bucks in tips
Then work somewhere your wages are 100% guaranteed. Somehow I don't think you will though. For some mysterious reason.
If you stop smoking weed you might be able to get a job that involves driving AND getting paid a decent wage to do so. Seriously, a responsible driver with no points on their license that can piss clean can get paid, but I’m betting at least one of those qualifiers counts you out. Sort out your shit life.
>AND getting paid a decent wage to do so.
He gets paid good money. Great even. There's a reason he refuses to "go legit" and pursue an untipped flat wage driving gig. He knows he makes significantly more per hour from the tipped gig but can't let the normalgay consumers know that because if they did the tips would dry up overnight.
Sounds like these people don't deserve your business if the looming threat of contaminating or destroying your food is how they siphon extra money out of you. Imagine if every other business did this like any service job demanded a tip or they would likely beat the shit out of you or attack your house or something. Why do so many "badass" Americans just tolerate this kind of extortion? It's sickening.
Tipping is fundamentally American. Every other country must mandate generous giving among their citizens, but Americans do it freely and gladly. The most charitable nation in history
>If you tell them to take them off they normally have to.
If you do that, your date or friends you're with will think you're a cheap piece of shit (which you are), so it never happens. Especially if you're spending $30k on a dinner
So more psychological manipulation. Man the restaurant business is just lovely. I hope they find more ways to pressure customers into giving them money for no reason.
i don't care. all my friends are reasonable enough to understand that this is bullshit. and if it's a date or someone i'm eating with for the first time then it's a brilliant filter tbqh.
I don't get this general fauning over service staff. I'm a completely reasonable customer will put up with whatever I get given really, never kick up a fuss or am rude, why should I be so grateful to them
Not going to read the thread because I know it's filled with moron opinions, but the only Americans I know who don't tip are the ones who work shitty retail jobs and need someone to feel superior to, AKA waitstaff. Well, and Black folk of course. The only other exception is homosexual trust fund kids who have no idea how money even works. The point is if you're making six figures like any well-adjusted, successful person, you don't even give tipping a second thought unless you're subjected to terrible service. Then again, successful people also don't spend money on restaurants every day.
Reminder that the people who don't tip ITT don't have sex. This immediately explains why they're so bitter and weird about a basic social custom: because they are bitter and weird about all social customs: because they're autistic and they don't have friends.
I don't see anyone being bitter or weird, except maybe you. Also I have sex with husband regularly while we laugh about stiffing the israelite israelite tipping system.
>Imagine needing tips to live on. >Imagine your affluent boss successfully redirected your impotent rage upon the customer rather than on them and their trousered profit margins
HAHAHAHA
>go 2 yurop >wife gets face burned off in acid attack for not wearing a burqa >son gets killed by a truck of peace ramming into our restaurant >daughter raped by an "asian" gang >I'm arrested for racism for reporting the above
But hey, I didn't have to tip.
>don't go 2 yurop >pity-tip a load of service frickwits as you can see their bosses openly treat with little regard other than some powerless and disposable marionettes >upon leaving food establishment be far more likely to get intentionally (or unintentionally) murdered/injured by some gun-totting mentally ill person, incel or opportunistic jogger
Yoo-ess-ay yoo-ess-ay yoo-ess-ay!
I told myself that I would never work in the service industry again after graduating college and getting my last needed government certificate and so far that is going well for me. I’m actually at a job now where I could tell somebody to frick themself to their face and they wouldn’t be able to do anything because I work in a field gatekeeped by the government and my clients need my signature for every little advancement they hope to make. Absolute Hell is having to serve people that you know are genetically inferior to you and I hope to never be in a position where I’m doing that again, even if it’s only part time like before.
mr pink was the best one. pure pro. ready to rock
yes I'm stingy
yes I'm a penny pincher
no I don't tip
you will give me my change
I don't tip unless I'm planning to go back to the same place soon. If I'm just passing through and stop somewhere to eat, I leave no tip.
It’s really baffling how passionate and intense people are when it comes to something as trivial as tipping. I don’t tip. So what? You don’t know me. End of discussion.
I've seen wagie girls ACTUALLY scream and cry when someone tells them they don't tip, no exaggeration. Seen it multiple times. It's very emotional for them.
if you're broke don't eat out
it's simple
How about this: I'll do what I want when I want without asking Cinemaphile's permission.
homosexual.
What if I'm a multimillionaire but still don't tip because I disagree with the notion?
If you can't afford that job, get another one.
It's simple
That’s fricking moronic. Sometimes poor people need to eat at a restaurant for a multitude of reasons but you’re expecting them to break their bank because waitresses want to be paid more money for bringing out their food?
If you don't like your salary quit your job
Don't face customers to pay what your boss won't.
It's a tough job, those girls bust their asses.
I just bust on their asses
i don't care
If you knew how much they make in tips a shift you'd laugh at them as hard as I do. I lived with a 6/10 waitress and 7/10 hostess in my mid 20s when I worked in restaurants and what I learned from them is the reason I don't tip anymore. If you only knew how much they make you wouldn't tip anyone who wasn't deformed or over the age of 45 either. I can say with confidence they're doing better than you are.
Hey man, cocaine and loose clothes don’t pay for themselves. Unless your a waitress or hostess, then the loose clothes actually do pay for themselves.
they usually shut the frick up after you tell them you're israeli
tipping doesn't exist in Slavland
>bring food to table
>get paid for it
>charge the customer for it too
it's insane no matter how you put it
>go to exorbitant richhomosexual restaurant
>order all the most expensive items
>WTF WHY IS THE BILL THAT HIGH!?!?!?
Rich people don't even eat there.
>900 service charge is very reasonable(18%)
Kill fricking yourself.
why is spaghetti in quotes?
it's cocaine
>A service charge has been added for your convenience 🙂
the funny thing is you are still expected to tip here despite the service charge
>that'll be 4942.90 plus tax plus tip plus tip tip 🙂
serves you right for eating at a Turkish restaurant
>1000 dollars for a steak
and when I google that VIN DORE whatever the most expensive one seems to be around 700 and they charge double that and you still have to tip xd
rich people do this to flex but everyone involved in this transaction are thinking "look at this dumb homosexual"
>$15 french fries
>Fricking french fries
Anons, how do I tell girls to pay for their bill? Like we are having dinner and I want her to pay for what she ate without looking stingy myself
Get her boyfriend to pay
Unfortunately, just offering to pay gives you the best chance of success, so you should go ahead and do it. Hopefully she will stop you and pay for her part, and that's how you know she's a potential keeper.
You know what's even better though? Don't even go to a restaurant at all, go to a coffee place instead and avoid the entire problem. Worst case scenario is you pay for a $5 coffee, instead of a $100 meal. Pro-tip for you.
if everyone stopped tipping people would be paid properly instead. ultimately, non-tippers and doing it for them.
false. if everyone stopped tipping there'd be a few more homeless people and capitalists would still control everything.
only thing that keeps people being paid properly is socialist wage increases, and that's merely a stop gap measure so long as capitalism still exists
It wouldn't help. Most waiters get paid way above minimum wage when factoring in tipping. If no one tipped and they were just paid minimum wage they would be a lot worse off. Also even if they get tipped below minimum wage their employer is legally required to make up the difference.
That's like saying if everyone stopped shopping on holidays, businesses would close and employees would have off.
they would
Not too long ago, stores were closed on Sunday. Because no one would have shopped on Sunday anyways, it wasn’t a big deal. Christian morality gave way to modern convenience and stores started opening. You better believe if people stopped showing up on Sunday, stores would stop opening. Why staff a building when you make no money? It’s not even a matter of “can it be done?” Chick-fil-A is hugely successful and their position is “if it’s a Sunday, go ahead and get KFC.”
I only tip women so it incentivizes them to stay out of actual careers.
The hero we deserve
You want a tip? Get a better job. That’s my tip. There are no free lunches, hippy.
>CEOs and business owners don't work as hard as wagies
here's my tip: guillotine yourself
I’m a franchise owner of a popular service company that your parents have probably used before. I had to sacrifice weekends and vacations working in my twenties so I could turn a profit and support my then pregnant girlfriend. I came close to filing for bankruptcy on multiple occasions, but I pulled through. I also hire many high school students and compensate them fairly according to inflation. Every single time I hear one of you punks agonizing over how hard you work, I pull out of my phone and show them my schedule. That usually shuts them up. You don’t work hard as hard as you think you do. Try walking a mile in my shoes sometime, hippy.
This is fair but plenty of managers out there get put into an easy spot where they do nothing and reap the same pay that the guy who built it made after the company is well established from previous work
>franchise owner
how tf did you buy a franchise ? mcdonalds is like 1m and the others arent much cheaper
were you rich before opening up shop ? no one gives a loan of a mil to some random 20yo guy with a pregnant gf
Imagine not having your parents gift you their company.
>franchise owner
shut up israelite
I think the bad managers just end up being more memorable for people than the good ones, because with good ones everything just good smoothly.
They do have a good job. They make a shit load of money for very easy unskilled work.
>why am i mister pink?
>because you are a homosexual
how do respond without sounding mad?
who's mr poiple and what job was he on?
As a server you pretty much speed walk nonstop for 8 hours jumping to every homosexual's beck and whim (which they only tell you each time you come back, never all at once with the strange requests) while you try not to piss off a black person who will cause a scene and destroy the whole restaurant before the police come.
Also you melt all feeling off your hands holding scalding plates after you get to another server's table while the customers do that thing where they FORGET WHAT THEY FRICKING ORDERED
Your fault for permitting EBT at the establishment.
No they just pay with declined cards, then they scrounge together a combination of pocket change, an expired gift card, and Apple Pay to cover the rest. (This is literally impossible to put in the system and close out in less than 5 minutes for their payment to go through)
I had the same reaction as the day i got my circumcised, it was the tipping point
>mfw the skin off the tip of your penis is the "tip" american doctors demand for delivering you.
I never tip a place where I don't get table service. Cowards need to hit up there manager for more pay not me. They had them by tue balls during the coof but those homosexuals fricked that up too.
I went to Starbucks recently and they even ask you for tips at the drive-thru now, no idea when they started that because I hadn't been there in 2 years but it's the gayest tipping homosexualry I've seen yet. I went to pay with my card and the display asked for a tip...
Crazy you mention that. I saw this thread after I got a small drip coffee at Peets and it had the same. No Tip button every time. Good on you for not buckling.
I will tip will at the local restaurants I eat at on a regular basis, because they know me and this reputation ensures I always get good service.
But if I'm travelling or it's only going to be a one time order? Frick that, why should I tip at all? What benefit is it to me?
If I ever go to the US, I will not tip. How the frick is it my problem that you decide not to pay your workers a real wage?
I tip bc I'm a huge homosexual but I really agree with mr pink, tipping culture is moronic, a tip is something meant to gift if the waiter earns it, not if he just does his fricking job he already gets paid for doing
And if they earn too little they should get a salary raise from their fricking boss, not literal charity from strangers who in many cases also earn too little
Aw geez if everyone just did the obvious and asked for a salary raise from their boss.... then we'd all strike it rich laddies!!!!!
Nobody's ever really thought of something this groundbreaking, you should write a book 🙂
it's what literally every worker does except for the pussy ass waiters you smartass
Oh yeah and when your buddy at the playground doesn't have a PlayStation just tell him to ask his dad for one 🙂
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>analogies confuse and confound the brainlet
boy you're weird
Tipping is one of those none real issues like racism that people like to have a trillion discussions about instead of focusing on their own life,mental and family issues just because they are TOLD it's important and a major issue like global warming.
Personally, I only tip white people.
Tipping is moral extortion meant to line the pockets of business owners while foisting the responsibility of their own employees wage onto the customer while giving the customer 0 power to fire or actually manage said employee. Spoiled waiters and waitresses with ideal hours are incentivized to defend this extortion because they make far more money than they normally would with this job by continuing to guilt customers into this extortion racket.
If you have an IQ above 100, you are in favor of abolishing tipping. Only idiots think it's a good system.
Serving isn't an easy job that many people are capable of, otherwise more people would do it. Most tradies and construction workers make less an hour than waiters, yet they aren't waiters.
Or nobody wants to serve Joe Football and his repulsive, diabetic children.
Yeah that does suck, hence why servers deserve the tips.
>otherwise more people would do it.
Or most people don't want to do a dead end low paying job.
Pays better than many jobs that people do for careers at the entry level, such as construction and trades. Many tradies don't get an income increase for decades unless they literally start their own company.
>baristas are paid better than construction workers
where do these delusions come from?
not leaving the house
Your argument doesn't do anything to defend tipping as a justified practice but merely resorts to more moral extortion. I couldn't possibly care less if it's a hard job. We don't turn all of these other hard jobs that exist into tipping models where we turn workers into glorified beggars hassling people for extra money constantly because it's "socially expected", so there's no reason waiters or waitresses as a profession should have that luxury either. Fricking get rid of it.
Stop aiming your anger at people who should have absolutely fricking nothing to do with how much you are paid. It is not a customer's job to make sure you have enough money. They are a customer, not your friend. Don't like it? Get a different job. The customer is not your employer.
>redditspacing
>le newbie meme
Based
American tipping is the most israeli thing in the world
>I need to pay people extra to do thier no-skilled labour job in a respectable manner
>if I want to eat here again I better pay 20%+ on top of what I have to pay so they don't spit and shit in my food.
I want Amerikkka to collapse so bad it hurts.
>no skilled
See
If it's so low skill why doesn't every minimum wage worker do it?
Because you use israeli strategies of shame and alienation to trick people into it so ~~*restaurant*~~ owners don't have to
I live in a real country where we pay people properly and people don't hold food ransom and do thier jobs because it's what they are paid to do
>waiting is LE hard!
Frick. Off. Zoomer. You wouldn't know hard work if it bit you on your disgusting and rotting troony taint
We get it you’re poor
No it's just israeli
If I order a salad at $5
And someone orders at steak at $50
The waiter just carries it 10 metres, it's the same amount of "work"
Why should the waiter get tipped 10x as much for carrying a steak?
Fricking moronic.
>Entire job is taking orders and bringing food to tables
>Is paid a wage by employer to do this
>expects extra money for doing the thing she's already paid to do
yeah sorry toots, shit don't work like that. now refill my fricking coffee
>be black
>always tip extra well to break stereotypes
>always get shit service because people think I will tip poorly
It truly is a broken system.
lmao just tip in advance homie
Not him, but they wouldn't accept advance tips the last time I went to the movie theater.
Everyone with a brain despises tipping and the fact that Americans still haven't gotten rid of it after so long says a lot about who they are as people culturally. They know it's corrupt and wrong but they're so passive and weak willed that they'll never actually fight to get rid of it. They'll wait around like sloths until the Restaurant industry collapses on its own because that's how modern Americans handle things.
I only tip male waiters of my same race, and i will only tip cash as in i hand him the money, because electronic tipping gets pooled towards the roasties or it gets pocketed by the israeli owner
Should've written a tip, crossed it out, and then written no tip.
>thyself
based black couple finding a racial excuse to not tip
>deliver pizzas
>Hungry Howies charges 3.00 delivery fee
>fee does not go to me
>people tell me they will not tip because they had to pay the fee
Please tip your delivery drivers. we have to pay for gas and car repairs
I just dont order delivery, fricking $40 for $25 of food even if I only tip like 10%
And it’s almost always cold, inedible shit by the time it arrives, even if you live 5 minutes from the restaurant. Seriously, there’s a reason pizza and Chinese were the only restaurants that delivered for the longest time. They are ready fast, they stay warm well in a hot bag, and they can be reheated and still taste ok. My wife won a free year of grub hub delivered during the covid lockdown, while she was pregnant with our first, and we maybe used it two times before we realized every place was going to deliver cold shit to our door for $35 plus tip.
I don't recall ordering a beggar.
Make sure you only do it once. Because I promise i'm going to accidentally fart bare ass on your pizza if you order again
So a beggar and an extortionist. Any other threats you'd like to make while you're at it? That perhaps you'll murder my family since you know where I live if I don't pony up?
But you're the good guy.
I get it for waiters. They are literally just doing their job so frick their tip. But for us drivers we are wasting our personal gas and risking our personal means of transportation. The least you could do is 20% or pick it up yourself
>I get it for waiters. They are literally just doing their job so frick their tip. But for us drivers we are wasting our personal gas and risking our personal means of transportation. The least you could do is 20% or pick it up yourself
Why not just not put that burden onto me to pay their/your wage, list the food prices for exactly what they cost including any possible delivery charge being openly displayed, and then just let me decide whether I want to pay those prices or not?
The answer is because then there wouldn't be a flimsy excuse for a restaurant's employees to morally extort me for extra money and the business gets fewer sales since they'd have to list their food prices for what they were actually charging rather than listing them much cheaper and then just assfricking idiots with hidden fees.
The customer is never and will never be responsible for an employees wage no matter how hard these corporate dickheads try to make it your problem. Stop falling for their bullshit.
Tipping allows customers with means to subsidize the cost of servers, lowering the price for poorer citizens
WRONG. Bullshit cope. People feel pressured to mandatorily tip and every study on the matter has found that the vast majority of tippers do not actually meaningfully change the amount they tip unless service is unusually bad.
The industry is so confident in getting away with its bullshit anyways that many restaurants have made minimum tips mandatory at this point anyways or ban customers who don't tip. Even if they don't do this, they'll deliberately give those customers terrible service to punish them for not tipping as much as richer customers, so it's actually a racist, anti-poor practice and incentivizes worse service for poorer customers if you want to take the homosexual SJW route.
No matter what, tipping is shit. From every angle except the angle of pampered service industry workers with the best hours(another unfair practice) and the owners.
It's factually true. If people feel compelled to tip beyond their means, that's an issue with culture not the mechanical practice of tipping
You're an actual idiot and you've yet to present a single argument that meaningfully defends tipping as a practice. Every single time it's some nonsense irrelevant cope.
It's a simple implementation of price elasticity, neither better nor worse than coupons
I've illustrated no less than 10 ways in which it is corrupt and needlessly inconveniences customers and is extremely unbalanced and unfair. You've done nothing to defend it as a practice or list in what ways it's actually good, because it simply isn't. The only people it is beneficial to are service industry workers who are lucky enough to get good hours and owners for being able to trick customers, list artificially low prices, and gut them with hidden fees.
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>Why not just not put that burden onto me
Entrenchment by the industry overall, i.e everyone expects and is expected to tip. A singular guy or business can't change that, and the ones that try will get spit in their food and go out of business respectively.
>The answer is because
Above. Anything else is just a cope.
>The customer is never and will never be responsible for an employees wage
They technically aren't, you're just giving a completely voluntary tip.
>Stop falling for their bullshit.
See the first post.
In other words, it is bullshit, you acknowledge I'm correct, but personally feel helpless to institute a change because it's so heavily entrenched and you think 1 person never changed anything.
Tips are increasingly involuntary btw and are considered a mandatory charge by restaurants at this point. They just hide it from menu prices and automatically charge you an additional mandatory tip fee. Even those that don't simply use extortion to try and force it.
It's only bullshit if you completely ignore that it's the system currently in place, while considering the consequences also being bullshit.
In other words no, it "exists" and you will suffer the consequences.
>Feel helpless
I don't care since I'm not an American. I just think your personal thinking on the matter, and by other extension other matters, is childish and moronic.
>Tips are mandatory
Oh, then they're essentially transitioning into you paying the costs of their wages in a more direct way rather than the loose "voluntary" system they had before? Isn't that you wanted? The price to reflect the cost of your meals being served to you?
>It's only bullshit if you completely ignore that it's the system currently in place
What kind of dumbfrick nonsense argument is this? What part of you thought this was an intelligent thing to say? The correctitude of a system is determined by its status of implementation? Just lmfao. Actual moron.
> I just think your personal thinking on the matter, and by other extension other matters, is childish and moronic.
Then you're a moron since, like the other guy, you haven't actually presented any reason why tipping should be in place other than "it just is that way". Your way of thinking is far more childish than mine.
>Oh, then they're essentially transitioning into you paying the costs of their wages in a more direct way rather than the loose "voluntary" system they had before? Isn't that you wanted? The price to reflect the cost of your meals being served to you?
Yes, but directly listed in prices rather than as hidden "tip" and "service" fees that they apply after tallying your total along with tax that they don't even list anywhere on their menus.
>What kind of argument is this?
Do you mean the system is "bullshit" in that it doesn't exist, yes or no? Try actually giving an answer this time instead of seething.
>you haven't actually presented any reason why tipping should be in place other than "it just is that way"
Ah, so you are purely arguing on a "why is X better" position. The problem is that even if it is better, your individual actions do nothing to solve the problem. Not tipping isn't you being "moral", you're just being cheap and dressing it up as such.
>Your way of thinking is far more childish than mine.
"Just lmfao. Actual moron."
>Yes, but directly listed in prices...
So?
>Do you mean the system is "bullshit" in that it doesn't exist, yes or no?
No you fricking idiot. I'm guessing you're ESL since no native English speaker on the planet could possibly have read my posts and come to the conclusion that I was arguing that tipping doesn't exist. I'm arguing that it shouldn't.
>The problem is that even if it is better, your individual actions do nothing to solve the problem.
People enact change by acting as an individual and acting together. If Americans actually collectively rejected tipping, it would go away.
>Not tipping isn't you being "moral", you're just being cheap and dressing it up as such.
Again, more moral extortion and shifting of blame. "If you don't tip, you're just hurting the poor delivery driver." I'm not the one who set up his salary. I didn't make the owner's business model. You are directing your blame at the wrong person. This is no different than the owners holding up the service industry people as human shields to say "Look! If you don't pay their wages, they're going to suffer! This is YOUR fault! If you try not tipping, you're just hurting them!"
Do you genuinely not see the corruption and blame shifting going on there? At no point should a delivery guy get angry with a customer about his salary arrangement with his employer.
>"Just lmfao. Actual moron."
Not my fault you're acting like an idiot.
>So?
So that the customer knows exactly what they're paying ahead of time and doesn't have to deal with the bullshit moral extortion that is tipping. They just pay and that's it. It works like that everywhere else in the world.
Oh, forgot to add: they don't include mandatory tipping as some kind of flat cost even, which would be the ideal. They still leave it open because they're greedy c**ts. It's mandatory MINIMUM tips, usually 3-5$. Tipping is increasingly becoming no longer optional, but the new meta is basically Office Space's pieces of flair. We wouldn't want to just have the bare minimum tip and be a cheapo that upsets the delivery guy, now would we?
>20%
What a israeli c**t you are. Get a real job if you're not satisfied with your payment. The highest I ever tipped was 15% and I usually tip 10% if they are nice to me
anything beyond a 0% tip requires the waitress to get under the table and give herself an esophagus massage...
using my hard sweaty wiener of course
Here's a tip: Get a better job.
>we have to pay for gas and car repairs
Then what's the fee for? Sounds like you need to take it up with management. Those fees are for gas and maintenance on company owned vehicles. If you're using a personal vehicle that fee shouldn't exist or it should be going directly to you instead. Your employer is scamming you dummy. But of course you won't say anything to jeopardize your position because you're making more than enough from the people who do tip, aren't you? A whole lot than you'd make at a department store or warehouse or doing data entry.
>Then what's the fee for
It partially covers the cost of the driver, not fully.
>the people who do tip
everyone should tip. i should not have nights where i make 12 bucks in tips. that's just completely selfish and sociopathic
>i should not have nights where i make 12 bucks in tips
Then work somewhere your wages are 100% guaranteed. Somehow I don't think you will though. For some mysterious reason.
But you also have nights where you probably make hundreds. It balances out so stop b***hing.
If you stop smoking weed you might be able to get a job that involves driving AND getting paid a decent wage to do so. Seriously, a responsible driver with no points on their license that can piss clean can get paid, but I’m betting at least one of those qualifiers counts you out. Sort out your shit life.
>AND getting paid a decent wage to do so.
He gets paid good money. Great even. There's a reason he refuses to "go legit" and pursue an untipped flat wage driving gig. He knows he makes significantly more per hour from the tipped gig but can't let the normalgay consumers know that because if they did the tips would dry up overnight.
stop asking for charity and get a better job, yours is not sustainable by itself
i tip because i like my food spit free
So if I threaten to spit in your food will you just give me money?
doesn't matter. if you don't tip everyone spits in your food. it's a thing
Sounds like these people don't deserve your business if the looming threat of contaminating or destroying your food is how they siphon extra money out of you. Imagine if every other business did this like any service job demanded a tip or they would likely beat the shit out of you or attack your house or something. Why do so many "badass" Americans just tolerate this kind of extortion? It's sickening.
Last I checked you bring me my food BEFORE I tip.
But you tip at the end of the meal so how does that make sense?
Depends on how good the food was.
Tipping is literally business owners screwing the public into paying their employees for them
Tipping is fundamentally American. Every other country must mandate generous giving among their citizens, but Americans do it freely and gladly. The most charitable nation in history
>I'm israeli. We don't tip.
Watch as the waiter gets assblasted but can't be angry at you.
Jews tip tho, black guys dont tip which is known by everyone already and not even something you would ever say out loud on either side.
everyone benefits from lower prices, only glorified beggar waitroasties benefit from tipping, they are antisocial parasites
I only tip if it's a guy. Gotta help your fellow brothers out with the the grind.
Women shouldn't even be working in the first place.
I do the opposite. Frick these wagies.
Does this actually work?
Have you ever dined and dashed before?
good goy. i'm glad you missed your digits, b***h
i love how they make you sign a cute little contract to make you think it's legally binding or something. what an absolute gigaisraelite design
>demanding a discount from the manager due to shite service or false advertising
Unfathomably based.
my restaurant puts an automatic 20% gratuity for groups over 2.
are all these hidden insta-tips even legal?
Kind of. If you tell them to take them off they normally have to.
>If you tell them to take them off they normally have to.
If you do that, your date or friends you're with will think you're a cheap piece of shit (which you are), so it never happens. Especially if you're spending $30k on a dinner
So more psychological manipulation. Man the restaurant business is just lovely. I hope they find more ways to pressure customers into giving them money for no reason.
Nah, my friends hate israelites just as much as I do.
i don't care. all my friends are reasonable enough to understand that this is bullshit. and if it's a date or someone i'm eating with for the first time then it's a brilliant filter tbqh.
if it's on the menu, yes
>Supplemental Wellness Charge
what the frick is that?
Their Brand Identity Manager made sure their Mental Health Quotient was sufficient.
Supplemental Wellness Charge pays for our health insurance
I don't get this general fauning over service staff. I'm a completely reasonable customer will put up with whatever I get given really, never kick up a fuss or am rude, why should I be so grateful to them
Not going to read the thread because I know it's filled with moron opinions, but the only Americans I know who don't tip are the ones who work shitty retail jobs and need someone to feel superior to, AKA waitstaff. Well, and Black folk of course. The only other exception is homosexual trust fund kids who have no idea how money even works. The point is if you're making six figures like any well-adjusted, successful person, you don't even give tipping a second thought unless you're subjected to terrible service. Then again, successful people also don't spend money on restaurants every day.
Only a woman could write something so oblivious to math and finance.
Are you really supposed to tip a hostess all the time? I thought that was just if they did something special
I tip waitresses but it's fricking stupid to give money to someone just for pointing me towards my table.
no, hostesses get paid an actual wage for the 2 hours of work they do before they flake out
Reminder that the people who don't tip ITT don't have sex. This immediately explains why they're so bitter and weird about a basic social custom: because they are bitter and weird about all social customs: because they're autistic and they don't have friends.
I don't see anyone being bitter or weird, except maybe you. Also I have sex with husband regularly while we laugh about stiffing the israelite israelite tipping system.
You're an abomination homosexual man, that's even worse
>Imagine needing tips to live on.
>Imagine your affluent boss successfully redirected your impotent rage upon the customer rather than on them and their trousered profit margins
HAHAHAHA
>you have to tip some b***h because thats all they can do
lmao
>go 2 yurop
>dont have to tip
>its super chill
>go 2 yurop
>wife gets face burned off in acid attack for not wearing a burqa
>son gets killed by a truck of peace ramming into our restaurant
>daughter raped by an "asian" gang
>I'm arrested for racism for reporting the above
But hey, I didn't have to tip.
>don't go 2 yurop
>pity-tip a load of service frickwits as you can see their bosses openly treat with little regard other than some powerless and disposable marionettes
>upon leaving food establishment be far more likely to get intentionally (or unintentionally) murdered/injured by some gun-totting mentally ill person, incel or opportunistic jogger
Yoo-ess-ay yoo-ess-ay yoo-ess-ay!
Nice try, too many words. Typical leftist "meme".
>gets shot dead upon leaving
>a blood stained service receipt serves as a metaphor for MUH FREEDOMS
yurop is much safer than the US by every metric
I told myself that I would never work in the service industry again after graduating college and getting my last needed government certificate and so far that is going well for me. I’m actually at a job now where I could tell somebody to frick themself to their face and they wouldn’t be able to do anything because I work in a field gatekeeped by the government and my clients need my signature for every little advancement they hope to make. Absolute Hell is having to serve people that you know are genetically inferior to you and I hope to never be in a position where I’m doing that again, even if it’s only part time like before.
The only one who questions everything. And he escaped with the money.
He was just BASED.