He quit because everyone else was a pain in the ass to work with >rapist Noel Clarke >John Barrowman getting his wiener out 24/7 >director of the first block putting people in danger and abusing crew/extras >RTD being a big gay pussy
Rumours at the time that he was fricking Billie as well and that went sour.
I like Eccelston. He has screen presence and all but his acting in Doctor Who is a bit shit at times. Sometimes he really does a shitty job of emoting, either from underacting or overacting
Can anyone tell me why it's such a big deal being typecasted? It means you're getting consistent roles, and obviously you're gonna be damn good at them if you keep on getting casted in them. What's the problem? If he's super good at playing bad guys/seedy good guys who end up betraying the good guys, then just keep at it.
Because it's boring and eventually those roles dry up as casting directors start seeing casting you in those roles as a bit of a cliche. Diversifying your portfolio extends the length of your career.
Blacks don't count, there's only a few black stars allowed at any one time. Wise Black Man, Shouty Black Man, Funny Black Man, Serious Actor Black Man. It's in a homie's interest to get typecast.
Because it's boring and eventually those roles dry up as casting directors start seeing casting you in those roles as a bit of a cliche. Diversifying your portfolio extends the length of your career.
Most of the time "type casting" is a polite way to say, "that actor is worthless and they can only play their own self".
That's very embarrassing for an actor because if you literally pick a random person on the street and the director knows what they're doing: they can make them look amazing because you play yourself you'll look "natural and real".
by the way: that's also why nepotism can work well in hollywood.
if you write around a worthless actor: they will look good.
random person #432 will be the "perfect casting" for "plot written for random person #432".
The typecasting narrative was a pure fabrication. He loved being the Doctor for the short time he did it, but he hated the corporate culture of the BBC, and probably had personal issues with Russel T Davies (though that part isn't quite clear).
He also just sounds like one of those people who is good at making enemies. He's bipolar, so it happens.
>In politics, Eccleston has criticised the Conservative Party and expressed concern at opportunities for actors from his background to achieve his level of success in the future. He said in July 2017, "It's always been a policy of the Conservative government and party to destroy working class identity. If you prevent them from having a cultural voice, which is what's happening, they achieve that. They hate us, they want to destroy us, so we're being ruled out of having a voice."[67] >Eccleston endorsed Labour Party incumbent Andy Burnham in the 2021 Greater Manchester mayoral election.[68] >Eccleston is a British republican who supports the abolition of the British monarchy.[69]
It's kind of sad how these Northern boomers still think the British class system from 50 years ago is relevant in some way. Those poshos who want you to talk proper and eat with a knife and fork are as irrelevant and powerless as they could be in the world today.
They're not the ones running the country. They're certainly not running the media. They couldn't even stop Labour coming for their grammar schools, and everything else. They're old news.
>right wing/conservative. This true?
We're ruled by CONservatives the way Americans at certain points have been ruled by RINOs. Even if our "right wing" weren't so fake and pathetic we still have to deal with probably a more ravenous left wing than the Americans seeing as how we did embraced order of magnitudes more socialism than Americans ever have
economically right wing. left wing on social issues barring the odd outlier (Daily Mail, Spectator) and even they are broadly liberal-minded.
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>economically right wing
Does UK have a socialism/free market economic left/right binary?
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>binary
Kys troon
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Not really. It's more a case of how much socialism. That American attitude that any amount of healthcare or whatever is communist and therefore evil isn't a thing.
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bongs are more cucked than burgers, that's why.
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do, GP surgeries are owned by big American companies now, but the actual healthcare is available on the NHS
we're getting the benefits of BOTH SIDES 🙂
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This country isn't remotely economically right wing. 40% of the budget goes to socialist Health care and other 'social cares'
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media
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Neoliberalism won. This isn't even controversial now.
Hell we literally call social security 'welfare' or 'benefits' now. Thank you DWP those scroungers are all having fantastic lives!
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Is that pie chart neoliberalism? I thought neoliberalism was le alienating cutthroat capitalism. This is majority of money going to old/brown people every year
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I think most socialists don't like the pension increase le money-decider man just announced during all the strikes, anon. "That's just the system, it increases with inflation or wage increases, whichever is higher" but we can't apply that to Universal Credit or healthcare costs?
Supposedly it'll all balance out for the greater good, but that didn't happen under New Labour and it hasn't happened under the Tories. Wouldn't bother me if we were making up the 'deficit' thanks to improvements in technology, but the rich are just getting richer.
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>choices are more socialism or neoconservative
Rock and hard place.
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Not guy but I still don't fully get what neoliberalism/neoconservatism are meant to be. Like the neolib definition searches describe free market capitalism but then I see a guy like Joe Biden with his regulations and government infastructure shit always described as a neolib, so what's going on?
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From a Yuropoor/theory perspective, Joe Biden and the Democrats are a right-wing party. I know they're considered bleeding heart lefties to the Trump crowd, but I think the closest to 'left of centre' you guys have had was that Bernie Sanders fella.
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Europe did embrace socialism - it's by several orders of magnitudes more entrenched in Europe than America so their left-right political binary is heavily skewed by that, it's not that the Americans have a 'wrong' left-right binary over there.
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Yeah the 'identity politics' thing is so fricking confusing to me.
I get that the US has a pretty charged history when it comes to racism, but some people need to just shut the frick up. The concept of "hospital bills" even for minor ailments when you have abject poverty AND billionaires, that affects everyone no matter who they are. It's not even like council housing where the hospital are part of the public sector and that money gets reinvested back into local services. It just goes to a private company, if you have the money (or insurance).
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With America, a lot of their stuff is fricked up because it's some weird half in half out mixed market model. The prices of healthcare, for example, skyrocketed after the government got involved in it without it becoming entirely state-ran/universal and for the longest time they had more money on account of not having to pay shit like property tax, which rankles with certain American principles on a philosophical level because property tax implicitly means you rent it from the government, don't fully own it. The Scandinavians that Bernie Sanders waxes lyrically over also have a far freerer/deregulated economy than the American's do. The Americans DID have a free market small government society at one point and by increments have moved to something more socialized, often to its detriment which is why when they are dragged in a leftwards direction, they do so kicking and screaming.
I'm met some who types that are hung up and seething over muh class system yet watch and worship smarmy RP-speakers like Owen Jones or Jo Coburn. Their fricking voices are like nails on a chalkboard to my ears and I speak with RP
Does he not? It's been some years since I heard him speak - I found him so fricking off putting I've avoided hearing audio ever since and in my head, I can only here RP in some swarmy nasally voice. >Bet you don't either
Maybe I don't, but RP is my best guess. Oxfordshiregay, btw.
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What's his accent?
Chavs was genuinely a good book but I fricking hate him in interviews. He does this whole "oh come on mate" act like he's just being frank and one of the lads, but he comes off too posh and smarmy.
He's from Stockport iirc, he's got a northern accent.
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>well off Northerner LARPing as hardy class working man
Many such cases. Lee Mack does it for comedy and to create more of a contrast with David Mitchell. Mitchell commented on it in a book how he's perceived as having a footman wait on him because of his accent despite living in a shitty London flat and Mack as the salt of the earth man despite living in a nice house next to a river, so they play it up on camera.
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The real twist there was Robert Webb. His persona is "i PLAY c**ts but i'm a nice, humble guy really."
Watched his Richard Herring podcast interview, ended up reading his book, bloke is genuinely a c**t.
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>bloke is genuinely a c**t.
Examples? I'm curious now.
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He has clearly toned it down then.
I hope the lad gets banned from Twitter or something. In long-form written word he's agreeable enough, gives him time to think things through. He's pretty much a 'radical' by Guardian standards. Bet he even thinks "Marx had some good ideas" or something.
Owen Jones does not speak with RP lmao. Bet you don't either.
What's his accent?
Chavs was genuinely a good book but I fricking hate him in interviews. He does this whole "oh come on mate" act like he's just being frank and one of the lads, but he comes off too posh and smarmy.
is a British republican who supports the abolition of the British monarchy.[69]
This is why, someone who admires shit like Jeffersonian US republicanism and not feeling a lot of personal fondness for the monarchy, would never abide republicanism in the UK - it's red to its core. It's a trojan horse for more socialist bullshittery
Actors always have out of touch opinions on world events and politics, but I don't actually see much wrong with any of his takes here.
The British nobility has always been self-loathing, which is self evident by the fact that they've done everything they possibly can to make life harder for the average bong while importing several million Black folk and arabs into their country.
The monarchy is either useless and can't stop it, or approves of it, so in either case their heads should roll.
The Royal Family fell in love with its image and threw out any dignity it had by bending to Parliament instead of dissolving itself with honor.
Any trashing they get, whether from left or right, is well deserved. To the Republican, they're a jurassic institution that hoards money that could go to the people. To the Conservative(Monarchist), they're a mere shadow of what they were and they don't deserve any more respect.
>talks about Doctor Who being overtly political, doing away with the sexism of the classic series, and how the show wasn't really a huge part of his childhood
Can't believe the SJWs and wokes accessed real life time machines and made him say all this, guys.
But at least here in the UK we've had the "it's political correctness gone mad!" shite my entire life. A lot of it over very trivial stuff that wouldn't even register as any sort of issue now.
All we've really done is change the words around a bit. And the tabloid press are the ones saying "look what these loony keyboard warriors are saying", when they were doing the exact same nonsense (and still do).
Why? Why lower yourself to appear in a terrible Doctor Who special, written by people who don't respect the property anyway?
He does Big Finish, which is what it is. He gets to work with people who care, play the character how he wants to play it, have some creative input. That's better, for what it's worth.
I only listened to the first set he did. They were fine. Didn't have the charm of the really good early ones from the 00's, but it wasn't bad by any means.
All I can remember from damn near 9 years ago was him quipping how Malekith is a miserable bastard and how he's a miserable bastard, so he was a naturally fit for the role.
I remember it coming across really awkward like "he's...conflicted. with a lot of rage."
And it's quite clear in retrospect Eccleston was just an actor doing a job for some money. The creepy "What was the HIGHLIGHT of your Marvel Experience?" glitzy bullshit shouldn't be a requirement of actors. All the Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christenssen promos for Kenobi feel like they were done at gunpoint.
I tried to watch one of those interviews. Turnt it off due to the surfeit of cheering and clapping and whopping. Hayden's constant small smile didn't do shit to hide out dead he looked on the inside.
He is, from Little Hulton, Salford, a total shithole. He's from a time when working class kids with ambition and no connections could get scholarships to drama schools and make their way in the TV/movie industry. Now, those days are over.
that quote about not wanting to be typecasted as the doctor was wrong. BBC gave that quote on behalf of him, and he said that was bullshit and that he didn't want to keep playing the doctor because of scheduling issues.
Didn't like how some of the cast and crew were treated by the higher-ups. It's all a bit vague but three of the main cast members are now confirmed sex weirdos, might have something to do with it.
Sounds like he wasn't taken seriously and quietly bowed out. Then the BBC put out a fake statement claiming that he quit because he was worried about typecasting.
He's done some Big Finish audios so it doesn't seem like he's opposed to the role, just the people he was working with.
he's a pain in the ass to work with
how would you know?
The reason he had one season on doctor who is because he's a pain in the ass to work with
He quit because everyone else was a pain in the ass to work with
>rapist Noel Clarke
>John Barrowman getting his wiener out 24/7
>director of the first block putting people in danger and abusing crew/extras
>RTD being a big gay pussy
Rumours at the time that he was fricking Billie as well and that went sour.
He is tremendous kino in The Leftovers
Leftovers is so goddamn good. My favorite show by an insane margin. When Kevin goes to the afterlife is the best episode of TV ever made.
>It's a Matt episode
kino profile
I like Eccelston. He has screen presence and all but his acting in Doctor Who is a bit shit at times. Sometimes he really does a shitty job of emoting, either from underacting or overacting
He was great in Leftovers
He's the best revival Doctor. Our Friends in the North and Shallow Grave are both kino and he's the best thing in them.
the shadow line was pretty good as well
Can anyone tell me why it's such a big deal being typecasted? It means you're getting consistent roles, and obviously you're gonna be damn good at them if you keep on getting casted in them. What's the problem? If he's super good at playing bad guys/seedy good guys who end up betraying the good guys, then just keep at it.
I think Extras addresses that pretty well
Because it's boring and eventually those roles dry up as casting directors start seeing casting you in those roles as a bit of a cliche. Diversifying your portfolio extends the length of your career.
Yeah like Morgan Freeman Samuel L Jackson Gene Hackman and Clint Eastwood
very short career haha
Blacks don't count, there's only a few black stars allowed at any one time. Wise Black Man, Shouty Black Man, Funny Black Man, Serious Actor Black Man. It's in a homie's interest to get typecast.
This makes sense actually denzel washington as well.
>homie
kys
Most of the time "type casting" is a polite way to say, "that actor is worthless and they can only play their own self".
That's very embarrassing for an actor because if you literally pick a random person on the street and the director knows what they're doing: they can make them look amazing because you play yourself you'll look "natural and real".
by the way: that's also why nepotism can work well in hollywood.
if you write around a worthless actor: they will look good.
random person #432 will be the "perfect casting" for "plot written for random person #432".
The typecasting narrative was a pure fabrication. He loved being the Doctor for the short time he did it, but he hated the corporate culture of the BBC, and probably had personal issues with Russel T Davies (though that part isn't quite clear).
He also just sounds like one of those people who is good at making enemies. He's bipolar, so it happens.
you see his benis in the leftovers
He's a commie idiot with a history of mental issues, and a huge pretentious pain in the ass. Good riddance.
This. I like him as an actor but think he has his flaws both in that capacity and in real life. He has been weirdly deified
He was great as Destro but wasted in that shitty G.I. Joe movie
>goes insane after a few weeks of celibacy
He was great as 'Jesus'.
>In politics, Eccleston has criticised the Conservative Party and expressed concern at opportunities for actors from his background to achieve his level of success in the future. He said in July 2017, "It's always been a policy of the Conservative government and party to destroy working class identity. If you prevent them from having a cultural voice, which is what's happening, they achieve that. They hate us, they want to destroy us, so we're being ruled out of having a voice."[67]
>Eccleston endorsed Labour Party incumbent Andy Burnham in the 2021 Greater Manchester mayoral election.[68]
>Eccleston is a British republican who supports the abolition of the British monarchy.[69]
wtf I love Eccleston now
It's kind of sad how these Northern boomers still think the British class system from 50 years ago is relevant in some way. Those poshos who want you to talk proper and eat with a knife and fork are as irrelevant and powerless as they could be in the world today.
I'm in my 30s and I have met these people. Like cartoon rich kids. They still exist.
They're not the ones running the country. They're certainly not running the media. They couldn't even stop Labour coming for their grammar schools, and everything else. They're old news.
>their grammar schools
moron, those kids don't go to grammar schools.
My Brit friend insists your media is right wing/conservative. This true?
No, lol.
>right wing/conservative. This true?
We're ruled by CONservatives the way Americans at certain points have been ruled by RINOs. Even if our "right wing" weren't so fake and pathetic we still have to deal with probably a more ravenous left wing than the Americans seeing as how we did embraced order of magnitudes more socialism than Americans ever have
economically right wing. left wing on social issues barring the odd outlier (Daily Mail, Spectator) and even they are broadly liberal-minded.
>economically right wing
Does UK have a socialism/free market economic left/right binary?
>binary
Kys troon
Not really. It's more a case of how much socialism. That American attitude that any amount of healthcare or whatever is communist and therefore evil isn't a thing.
bongs are more cucked than burgers, that's why.
do, GP surgeries are owned by big American companies now, but the actual healthcare is available on the NHS
we're getting the benefits of BOTH SIDES 🙂
This country isn't remotely economically right wing. 40% of the budget goes to socialist Health care and other 'social cares'
media
Neoliberalism won. This isn't even controversial now.
Hell we literally call social security 'welfare' or 'benefits' now. Thank you DWP those scroungers are all having fantastic lives!
Is that pie chart neoliberalism? I thought neoliberalism was le alienating cutthroat capitalism. This is majority of money going to old/brown people every year
I think most socialists don't like the pension increase le money-decider man just announced during all the strikes, anon. "That's just the system, it increases with inflation or wage increases, whichever is higher" but we can't apply that to Universal Credit or healthcare costs?
Supposedly it'll all balance out for the greater good, but that didn't happen under New Labour and it hasn't happened under the Tories. Wouldn't bother me if we were making up the 'deficit' thanks to improvements in technology, but the rich are just getting richer.
>choices are more socialism or neoconservative
Rock and hard place.
Not guy but I still don't fully get what neoliberalism/neoconservatism are meant to be. Like the neolib definition searches describe free market capitalism but then I see a guy like Joe Biden with his regulations and government infastructure shit always described as a neolib, so what's going on?
From a Yuropoor/theory perspective, Joe Biden and the Democrats are a right-wing party. I know they're considered bleeding heart lefties to the Trump crowd, but I think the closest to 'left of centre' you guys have had was that Bernie Sanders fella.
Europe did embrace socialism - it's by several orders of magnitudes more entrenched in Europe than America so their left-right political binary is heavily skewed by that, it's not that the Americans have a 'wrong' left-right binary over there.
Yeah the 'identity politics' thing is so fricking confusing to me.
I get that the US has a pretty charged history when it comes to racism, but some people need to just shut the frick up. The concept of "hospital bills" even for minor ailments when you have abject poverty AND billionaires, that affects everyone no matter who they are. It's not even like council housing where the hospital are part of the public sector and that money gets reinvested back into local services. It just goes to a private company, if you have the money (or insurance).
With America, a lot of their stuff is fricked up because it's some weird half in half out mixed market model. The prices of healthcare, for example, skyrocketed after the government got involved in it without it becoming entirely state-ran/universal and for the longest time they had more money on account of not having to pay shit like property tax, which rankles with certain American principles on a philosophical level because property tax implicitly means you rent it from the government, don't fully own it. The Scandinavians that Bernie Sanders waxes lyrically over also have a far freerer/deregulated economy than the American's do. The Americans DID have a free market small government society at one point and by increments have moved to something more socialized, often to its detriment which is why when they are dragged in a leftwards direction, they do so kicking and screaming.
This was 10+ years ago at a posho university. They are literally running the country now.
I'm met some who types that are hung up and seething over muh class system yet watch and worship smarmy RP-speakers like Owen Jones or Jo Coburn. Their fricking voices are like nails on a chalkboard to my ears and I speak with RP
Owen Jones does not speak with RP lmao. Bet you don't either.
Does he not? It's been some years since I heard him speak - I found him so fricking off putting I've avoided hearing audio ever since and in my head, I can only here RP in some swarmy nasally voice.
>Bet you don't either
Maybe I don't, but RP is my best guess. Oxfordshiregay, btw.
He's from Stockport iirc, he's got a northern accent.
>well off Northerner LARPing as hardy class working man
Many such cases. Lee Mack does it for comedy and to create more of a contrast with David Mitchell. Mitchell commented on it in a book how he's perceived as having a footman wait on him because of his accent despite living in a shitty London flat and Mack as the salt of the earth man despite living in a nice house next to a river, so they play it up on camera.
The real twist there was Robert Webb. His persona is "i PLAY c**ts but i'm a nice, humble guy really."
Watched his Richard Herring podcast interview, ended up reading his book, bloke is genuinely a c**t.
>bloke is genuinely a c**t.
Examples? I'm curious now.
He has clearly toned it down then.
I hope the lad gets banned from Twitter or something. In long-form written word he's agreeable enough, gives him time to think things through. He's pretty much a 'radical' by Guardian standards. Bet he even thinks "Marx had some good ideas" or something.
What's his accent?
Chavs was genuinely a good book but I fricking hate him in interviews. He does this whole "oh come on mate" act like he's just being frank and one of the lads, but he comes off too posh and smarmy.
is a British republican who supports the abolition of the British monarchy.[69]
This is why, someone who admires shit like Jeffersonian US republicanism and not feeling a lot of personal fondness for the monarchy, would never abide republicanism in the UK - it's red to its core. It's a trojan horse for more socialist bullshittery
Conservatives are not like republicans at all. New labour has more in common with republicans than modern conservatives.
Actors always have out of touch opinions on world events and politics, but I don't actually see much wrong with any of his takes here.
The British nobility has always been self-loathing, which is self evident by the fact that they've done everything they possibly can to make life harder for the average bong while importing several million Black folk and arabs into their country.
The monarchy is either useless and can't stop it, or approves of it, so in either case their heads should roll.
The Royal Family fell in love with its image and threw out any dignity it had by bending to Parliament instead of dissolving itself with honor.
Any trashing they get, whether from left or right, is well deserved. To the Republican, they're a jurassic institution that hoards money that could go to the people. To the Conservative(Monarchist), they're a mere shadow of what they were and they don't deserve any more respect.
>talks about Doctor Who being overtly political, doing away with the sexism of the classic series, and how the show wasn't really a huge part of his childhood
Can't believe the SJWs and wokes accessed real life time machines and made him say all this, guys.
wokeism began in 1960
yeah idk why zoomers think this kind of discourse started in like the 2010s, I guess everyone idolizes the past
I'll admit I get into that mindset sometimes.
But at least here in the UK we've had the "it's political correctness gone mad!" shite my entire life. A lot of it over very trivial stuff that wouldn't even register as any sort of issue now.
All we've really done is change the words around a bit. And the tabloid press are the ones saying "look what these loony keyboard warriors are saying", when they were doing the exact same nonsense (and still do).
Why doesnt he just swallow his fricking pride with a fat bbc paycheck and just come back to dr who he is ruining all the anniversary episodes
Why? Why lower yourself to appear in a terrible Doctor Who special, written by people who don't respect the property anyway?
He does Big Finish, which is what it is. He gets to work with people who care, play the character how he wants to play it, have some creative input. That's better, for what it's worth.
How are they? Big Finish has been gradually degrading for years.
I only listened to the first set he did. They were fine. Didn't have the charm of the really good early ones from the 00's, but it wasn't bad by any means.
he was kinoid in shallow grave
He was an MCU villain. That was huge.
Does anyone have the interviews where he had to explain his character?
All I can remember from damn near 9 years ago was him quipping how Malekith is a miserable bastard and how he's a miserable bastard, so he was a naturally fit for the role.
I remember it coming across really awkward like "he's...conflicted. with a lot of rage."
And it's quite clear in retrospect Eccleston was just an actor doing a job for some money. The creepy "What was the HIGHLIGHT of your Marvel Experience?" glitzy bullshit shouldn't be a requirement of actors. All the Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christenssen promos for Kenobi feel like they were done at gunpoint.
I tried to watch one of those interviews. Turnt it off due to the surfeit of cheering and clapping and whopping. Hayden's constant small smile didn't do shit to hide out dead he looked on the inside.
>Jim. Rape. Now.
>Send more women!
He looks like a chav
He is, from Little Hulton, Salford, a total shithole. He's from a time when working class kids with ambition and no connections could get scholarships to drama schools and make their way in the TV/movie industry. Now, those days are over.
John Boyega did all right for himself.
>Not very good with American Accents
One of Cronenberg's best
that quote about not wanting to be typecasted as the doctor was wrong. BBC gave that quote on behalf of him, and he said that was bullshit and that he didn't want to keep playing the doctor because of scheduling issues.
Why didn't he Doctor some more, he was excellent?
Didn't like how some of the cast and crew were treated by the higher-ups. It's all a bit vague but three of the main cast members are now confirmed sex weirdos, might have something to do with it.
Sounds like he wasn't taken seriously and quietly bowed out. Then the BBC put out a fake statement claiming that he quit because he was worried about typecasting.
He's done some Big Finish audios so it doesn't seem like he's opposed to the role, just the people he was working with.
Shame, but he probably did the right thing
How the frick did a thread about Eccleston turn to politics?
Stfu, Idk wanna hear about tories, thatcher or labour.
>How the frick did a television and film thread turn to politics?
>Mah bois haven't had sex in 28 days