I feel like the good, the bad, and the ugly is like 45-60 mins too long to be enjoyable.
Did boomers really like a 3 hour long movie that much? Doesn’t make sense to me.
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I don't care for spaghetti westerns
Leone's are the best of them by far. You can enjoy them on the level of any other type of film, unlike most spaghetti westerns that are way campier and not nearly as well made.
Django is better than A Fistful of Dollars. Same as The Mercenary, A Bullet for the General and others.
Any other shit movie takes?
Okay I'll bite. Which scenes should have been cut? If you say the bridge scene I'm closing the thread.
Tuco meeting his brother.
Tuco gathering his gang of outlaws.
Most Tuco scenes actually.
>cut out the best character
homie have a nice day
HOLY FILTERED
Baste
>Most Tuco scenes actually.
kys
>Tuco meeting his brother
Bait but that is by far the best scene in the whole film outside the finale
Nta, but If you want to go the James Cameron route and trim the fat, the scenes with Tuco and his brother and the war could've been cut to keep the pace.
Nope. The tuco scene is the first and only time Tuco is forced to drop his facade and confronted with his cowardice but also shows how he is the personification of the ugliness of man. The civil war scene I can see the arguments for pro and con. On one end they do slow the pace but on the other it shows off how meaningless the journey for the cash box is in the wider world.
I'm not disagreeing, the whole movie is about breathing in the atmosphere. It's like having a good book and you want it to be thick because you're having a good time and want more of it. The whole movie is slow, even if you would cut those scenes.
>James Cameron
>Trim the fat
Guy just had an interview months ago ranting how execs wanted to trim all the nature scenes and small moments in Avatar and he told them to frick off
And T2 is still considered the greatest action movie of all time and Avatar is a turd. Because he lost his ability to cut boring shit. He thinks people care about his blue smurfs and want to know everything about them.
I love T2 but I can't imagine a version of Avatar I would have ever enjoyed. I find the premise, story, and visuals to be so unappealing in every way. Pocahontas/ Ferngully themes but in space and with slightly better videogame cutscenes. Yaaaaawn. To each their own though I know a lot of people like the first one.
kys subhuman troony
>Pocahontas/ Ferngully themes but in space
That was never an issue. The issue was the shit casting and the way in which the story was told. Anyways, it got 2 billion so we're on the wrong side of history.
Tuco gathering his outlaws actually is cut in the superior version of the film
One of the best scenes is Tuco putting together his franken-revolver.
He didn't know shit about guns and he was allowed to run free with that scene, supposedly. So it was all him. If it's true, that's pretty cool.
>Here's some stuff. You're an actor, see what you can do with it.
90% of the final shoot out is just 3 dudes standing around
Yeah but the kino soundtrack makes it worth it
You could trim many parts, like the duel at the end where they just stare at each other back and forth for like 2 minutes. Cutting that down to ~5 seconds would be much tighter and move things along better.
The bridge scene is the one drag on the film.
Tuco is the main character.
isn't that the extended directors cut though?
>tho
I've watched it multiple times and never felt it was too long.
However if you said that about the overrated mid as frick Once Upon a Time in the West I would totally agree.
okay mr contrarian lets hear your criticisms of once upon a time, I'm interested
It's just boring. I thought the intro was cute but then the whole movie was like that, and it didn't even serve a purpose. Good Bad Ugly is slow and quiet too but it's actually engaging. And the twist was really stupid imo. Like why would the protag's motivation be a plot twist?
Lol, why does a reveal have to be a twist? I dunno if you've watched it, but For a Few Dollars more does almost the exact same thing in that regard. And how the hell did the intro not serve a purpose??
By "it did not serve a purpose" I meant the slow pace.
Also no, the "twist" in Few Dollars is much different and way better.
I might be misremembering since it's been a while, but were they not both "mysterious character who is pursuing antagonist for unknown reasons is revealed, late in the movie, to be doing so because the antagonist killed their sibling"?
Also idk why you keep calling it a twist it's not a twist.
The revenge plot is great but the whole water rights plot is just tedious and uncompelling.
Movie has like 3 memorable scenes in it. That's it.
oof, meant railroad plot
I'm getting my western tropes mixed up
>preferring the good the bad and the ugly over once upon a time is contraian
I'm sorry this just is not true. The good the bad and the ugly has always been viewed as the superior film, and that's because it is
Maybe, but calling it mid as frick is pretty contrarian.
Mhm, I respectfully disagree, I love how it tied up so many big-picture elements of american western mythology, with the railroad being the obvious symbolism for the death of the wild west and Cheyenne, Harmonica and Frank being the last men of the old way, with their respective ends. The terminally ill railroad tycoon who wants to see the Pacific before he dies was very compelling. The climax - "Not a businessman after all" - "Just a man" - those lines weren't just cool throwaways, the entire film was building towards that, and also the fact that it didn't really matter who Harmonica was, he could've been just about anyone from Frank's past finally catching up with him. And the final shot of Jill handing out water as the train comes in; the prostitute going west and finding redemption? Absolutely biblical, mythical and dare I say - kino.
Agreed on OUTW Ford and Bronson are great in it, good soundtrack, and there are a few memorable scenes but everything else is really forgettable to me. I've never rewatched it but I've seen all of the Dollars movies at least twice.
They want your eyes to dry out to simulate being in the hot sun, it’s quite the effect.
It's an epic not a regular movie, those are always long. Also I think there's a version that cuts out a bunch of the civil war camp stuff
I watched the red letter media review of it and I remember them saying Leone edited the movie to the completed score, which is generally the opposite of how they do things. It’s needlessly long because Leone liked the score so much he didn’t want to leave anything out
>needlessly long
Which scenes were needless?
no scene in particular but Tuco meeting his priest brother could easily be cut out, half of the Civil War scenes too. Just off the top of my head.
Those scenes are great though and establish the themes of the movie. It's a different movie without those things.
Yes I'm sure that scenes would be just as iconic and frequently copied if it was 5 fricking seconds instead. I can't believe that hack Leone didn't think of that.
I lack the gene that my fellow Zoomers have that makes me dislike 3 hour long movies. More often than not I wish movies were longer Good, The Bad, and Ugly is perfect length
I prefer Few Dollars, Clint got outcooled by Lee Van Cleef
I think there are legitimate arguments for any of the three to be the best and there aren't many trilogies you can say that for. Van Cleef might be cooler overall in Few Dollars but Eastwood's entrance in the movie is one of my favorite scenes in any movie.
>You didn't say what the bet was?
>Your life.
You probably need to up your dose of Adderall, zoomie.
Do this many people actually get filtered by Tuco, the best character by far?
He's only the best character because Cinemaphile is in its Tuco phase after going through its "Angel Eyes is the best character" phase and its "Blondie is the best character" phase. It'll loop back to Blondie soon, probably after Clint dies, and then later it'll be Angel Eyes again and so forth.
Who's the best character then?
Blondie
Fistful was so good that every spaghetti western after it tried to be A Fistful of Dollars, including Django. Django is good but it can't really compare.
>Django is good
>Black person this, Black person that
>2pac blasting through the speakers during the climax
>Slavery
>Stupid meme actor
>Mandatory director self insert
What a cool western indeed. It belongs in the pantheon.
Laugh at this homosexual lmao
Ah yeah, I never saw the original one. I never saw a John Wayne or a Henry Ford one either. They're probably all gay anyway.
Looks like we got us a saloon troll
This looks so barren. Imagine what modern day CGI could do with this scene.
Yeah, imagine all the gay black transpeople they could digitally enhance the scene with.
Have a cigar. Put your feet up. Tell me more.
>Is that Mr. Frazzlebottom's post? It looks like Mr. Frazzlebottom's post!
TUNNEL SNAKES RULE
Django came out in the year 1966 and starred a white man named Franco Nero
funnily enough the trilogy goes through that exact cycle, Clint is the best character in Dollars, then Cleef is in Dollars More, and then Wallach is in Good Bad Ugly
>Wetbacks defending the scenes of a Mexican character
>the character in question is played by a israelite
KEK
And did you beaners also not realize that Ramon in Fistful of Dollars is played by Gian Maria Volonté, an Italian? Mexicans are best played by non-Mexicans LOL
Best character doesn't mean the coolest and most badass. Tuco is deeper and we see more of his humanity. I could give a frick that he's a Mexican played by a israelite. He's a compelling character well portrayed.
The uncut version, yes. The american theatrical cut is the best but we’ll never get it in hd because of muh leones vision.
anons actually think this scene was pointless when it is flawless filmmaking and character development
Imagine getting filtered by one of the greatest and most based films of all time. Very sad, many such cases.
You have to watch the US theatrical cut. That's what people watched from 1966-2003. Then the 2003 dvd lazily added in some shitty deleted scenes that sucked until the recent 4K fixed it again.
So watch the 4K.
I wouldn't cut any of it but I always use the start of the bridge section to get another beer or piss or something
Aww but I love the mortally wounded Colonel's monologue.
I usually do it right when they get caught and are being escorted to him. The Colonel is based.
That's on you. The movie's a masterpiece and thoroughly enjoyable
The Good The Bad And The Ugly was carried in no small part by the three main actors and the legendary music.
Once Upon a Time In The West should be the best one, but I just like the other one more.
I loved the tragic villain and father who avenges his daughter more in 'A Fistfull Of Dollars' than I did the tragic story of OUATITW. Bronson and Fonda just couldn't carry a movie in the way Clint and Van Cleef did. But that's a matter of personal opinion.
Man I dont know. Fonda as Frank is one of the best villains in movies but I can see the argument for Bronson
I think they're overrated on account of their introductions being cool and the movie's music being great. There's really nothing to either character outside of that.
I read it also had the added element of surprise of having Fonda as a bad guy, because he had been playing straight guys up until that point.
It wasn't the first time Henry Fonda played a BAMF
Pretty cool. I don't think I've watched a pre nineties western outside of the Morricone movies. And I've seen a bunch of them. Gives me 'Tombstone' vibes. My dad had a Bud Spencer and Terrence Hill movie on tape, but that's about it. Never explored anything that came before the nineties in the Western genre. I always thought of John Wayne and black hats, white hats.
>I don't think I've watched a pre nineties western outside of the Morricone movies. And I've seen a bunch of them.
>Never explored anything that came before the nineties in the Western genre. I always thought of John Wayne and black hats, white hats.
What
What's with the orange make-up? This is post Morricone right? or was it always a thing?
So they played around with the black hats, white hats thing. My mom loved Gregory Peck. He's the guy from 'Moby Dick'. I remember that much. Also: Lee Van Cleef with hair.
That's from 1958
>So they played around with the black hats, white hats thing.
"Black hats, white hats" is a myth. Some movies have very heroic protagonists and dastardly villains, other movies have nuanced and morally gray protagonists and sympathetic villains. That's been true since the silent era. Westerns wouldn't have continued all that time if they didn't use it to explore all kinds of shit.
So you're somewhat of an encyclopedia when it comes to Westerns. That's cool. I'd ask you for recommendations, but I've already got a stack of twenty movies that Cinemaphile recommended to me, lying around and gathering dust.
That's cool, I don't feel like putting a list together anyway, I'm going to sleep.
Do me one favor though and add The Ox-Bow Incident to your watchlist. That's another Henry Fonda western from the 40s that's very dark and psychological, different in many ways from what you'd think of as a western. It was one of Clint Eastwood's favorite movies. Very intense film
Noted. Good night, anon.
Movie?
Never mind
Every single part of that movie was needed to set up the ending and it is all kino. All three of the movies are kino and just keep escalating in kino levels. If you can’t see that then you are lost!
Dont these movies have intermissions? You're supposed to go out, take a shit, have a few drinks, eat a meal and THEN finish the rest of the movie.
Prefer the shorter International version, same with Once Upon a Time. The Italian versions have some bloat.