I hate this type of character.
>No fun allowed
>The voice of reason
>Usually a foil to the wacky antics of the main cast
>"I can't believe you'd do something so irresponsible"
>"Your so busted"
Also, I was debating with my girlfriend who this this type of character is sexist. I don't think it is but the only male version I can think of is Squidward (who I think is a different "type".
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Nag.
Stop watching cartoons.
Lois stopped being that at some point though. She's every bit as wacky as the rest of her family once the show outgrew being another Simpsons ripoff.
Meg has almost taken on that role now.
Which Lois?
obviously he meant Family Guy Lois you dumb frick
you probably just hate women
Also
>annoying voice
Pearl's voice makes me diamond
Candace's motivation becomes just wanting to prove she's not crazy pretty quickly.
They said she originally wanted to bust her brothers out of jealousy. She believed if she tried the same shit she’d never get away with it
She's not even the voice of reason. She's just the girl version of the owner of Michigan J. Frog.
Yes, and even then, the owner wants to share his discovery for monetary gains, fame, and notoriety. Michigan J. Frog recognizes this and how much of a bum he is and gives him nothing. It’s like a test of sorts.
Simpsons has gon on for way too long and FG stopped being good after three seasons.
Good
Family Guy season 4 is fine
Fine, but not good
I’m convinced the frog is meant to condemn the greedy good-for-nothings like pic related. I bet hundreds of people pass by the frog every day and head over to their JOBS, but this greedy butthole doesn’t look like a working man at all.
Judging by [spoilers]the ending of the cartoon, the frog is definitely immortal and lures in the hearts of greedy slouches for centuries to come[/spoilers]
Well that’s embarrassing
isn't the dad from johnny test and kick buttowski the same?
No, the dad from Johnny Test is fricking insane but that’s because his children have the power to bend reality to their will. The dad in KB is demonstrably just a boring, yet strict guy.
Maybe he meant that they have the same VA.
Oh, ok. No, they’re two separate va’s
Not the guy who said they’re the same but that’s surprising, I could’ve sworn they had similar voices.
Yeah, nope. Hugh Test is Ian James Corlett and Harold Buttowski is Brian Stepanek. By the way, I think the former is definitely the kind of male nag that fits OP’s description
But enough about those two, is there other characters out there who are like this. I’ve heard of people getting pissed off with the straight man in comedy manga/anime. The manga is doing something fun but the straight character has to point out why it’s weird. It happens a lot on bobobo, is that the same as this?
It can be funny if the straight man is ignored or joins in on the craziness.
the dad from johnny test is written to act like a mom while the mom acts more like a dad. i never realized this until i was older.
So THAT’S why he’s fricking insane. Transgenderism strikes again
That does sound funny. That reminds me of the OG Sherlock Holmes stories. He’d do something crazy, then his resident straight man, Watson, would be like “shit, this is happening now. It’s going to be a hell of a time, especially with you.” Not like his more modern day interpretations.
I think “wet noodle” can also fit this archetype, but with less energy
>Candance
>Voice of reason
Have you ACTUALLY watched Phineas and Ferb? She's far more insane than her brothers.
I agree. I don't know why shows think they need a character to ruin all the fun.
As an antagonistic force or a method to teach the audience right from wrong but initially in a condescending way like a boomer parent. You learn the lesson at the end after you experience it for yourself.
Now I’m interested in this archetype, who else can serve as an example. These kinds of characters seem to mainly have melancholic temperaments
You're right. I think it's important to make things clear for children.
>No, Kevin, you shouldn't build a nuclear reactor in your backyard, because you will die.
>Absolutelly not, Dewey, running a cable to the roof to "get more electricity" will burn your body and it will hurt until you die.
>Sheldon, my boy, I understand you want to experiment with caustic soda, but I don't want to see you become blind because I was a bad parent.
Sure enough, it makes it boring for adults.
I think Squidward is more of a fun hating grump rather than the nagging wife
Benson from Regular Show or Raven from Teen Titans is similar
You’re right about Squidward, but Benson was just trying to do his job. Not to mention almost every time his employees don’t do what their told, some city-leveling bullshit happens
Raven’s more like a cat, wants to be left alone and doesn’t suffer bullshit.
That and Benson isn’t above screwing around and having fun if he can get away with it, he just doesn’t get a lot of opportunities for that.
Not when his job and sometimes the world is on the line, nope. Are there others like that?
But it’s interesting you brought him up. Benson definitely is a nag but in an unusually high octane environment. It’s like a general yelling at his soldiers for being loose cannons or fricking up simple commands in the middle of a war. Could it be that what makes this archetype of the nag insufferable is the environment it contrasts with?
I kind of tend to feel bad for this type of characters, as if they would like to be more carefree and have fun, but for some reason they can't let themselves to do it. It's sad.
Maybe it’s because they’re physically weak? This archetype is mostly women who are prone to physical weakness so they don’t want to get hurt by general chaos
I don’t think its about that, but rather about how they are always in such a bad mood, like there is something in their interior that hurts them or something. Maybe I’m over thinking a silly archetype, but I have known people like that and it’s sad how they can’t let even themselves be happy.
>always in a bad mood
I don’t remember where I heard this, but someone once said women experience some kind of pain every day. Removing gender from the equation, people like this find it irregular not to be in constant pain, so they can’t see things from the perspective of those who don’t.
>something in the interior
It’s got to be fear at the end of the day. Fear will turn you into a nag and make those who want to have fun the enemy. Sometimes these fears are well founded too, have you seen the kind of character the fun-lovers have? How they invariably frick everything up getting their jollies. Some things deserve to get fricked up, but the nag can’t risk it
I think you summed it up pretty well. The dynamic between the nag and the fun-lover is obviously based in a lack of understating of the other’s perspective and an unwillingness to do so. It gets gags and everything, but still the nag gets the short stick of any situation.
>women experience some kind of pain every day
That’s fricked up
Yep, but after reading
it made me realize that the story is almost always skewed towards the nag. It’s got to teach a lesson by the end and the nag is almost always right and that’s what makes it so hatable. We the audience are trying to have fun but the message is already anti-that. It’s way too preachy
>That’s fricked up
I think it’s probably because they focus on it more. I sprained an ankle and I rarely pay attention to it except when I need to take a piss. I’m not bragging at all either, I let my emotions get the better of me and now I’m bedridden for weeks. The twisted ankle is my nag.
I gotta take a leak
>“Oh, are you going to take it slow this time”
shut up
>I step off my bed wrong
>“THE CRUTCHES. GET THE CRUTCHES”
alright jeez
>I go to the bathroom
>“take your pain meds, I’m not leaving until you do”
I just want to walk
>“you haven’t learned your lesson yet”
FRICK ME, no wonder this archetype sucks. And I can’t beat the shit out of it because it’s a conceptualization to my ankle’s healing process.
I always remember her part in Moominvalley in November, the part right after she tried to clean the outside of her window on the roof and came very close to having fallen off and died. She was frazzled by the near-death experience, and she started walking around her house in a daze. She distracted herself from the thoughts of death by admiring her case full of exquisite plates and silverware. I'll always remember when she said to herself "What a wonderful set of fine china. What will happen to it when I am gone?"
And that realization hit her like a truck, that she had no one she was close to in the world, and she immediately decided to visit the Moomin family for the exact warmth and mirth she had scoffed at and belittled for so long. I love the Fillyjonk.
https://medium.com/panel-frame/the-fillyjonk-who-believed-in-disasters-cbb2ab94ac43
Good read
Fillyjonks are sad creatures. I hope they make plenty of friends.
It can be exhausting having to be the tardwrangler or peacemaker of a volatile group. Especially if when you do relax the situation always spirals.
Hey, how about IRL nags. Maybe the nag is undesirable because there’s some kind of envy in their core. This sounds like something Frank Grimes would type like.
>why does this butthole have nice things
>it clearly doesn’t match the reality I worked hard in
>this is bullshit
>everyone has to know how bullshit this is
That was the nag
>A single income family can't afford a two-story home
This image was made by a Californian.
Best part? It was the PATRIARCHY OF ALL THINGS that enforced that rule. It predated feminism as we know it.
That’s an interesting—Candace gets her ass handed to her on a near episodic basis—take on the nag. I was just saying how the nag exhibits toxic feminine traits but it is more infuriating when you can’t stand up to them. If you do, you might accidentally seriously injure or kill the nag. You also remember the good times with her and the nagging is sometimes coming from a good place which makes it even more infuriating. It’s instruction, but delivered in an unbearable way
I have no idea how people enjoy that show.
Sometimes they do, see
Malcolm in the middle wouldn't work without Lois
Yeah this, Lois IS a nag but one that takes it to comical extremes and can be just as bad as her family
Someone keeps getting banned foe some reason whenever he brings up unpleasant truths about the female gender.
Holy shit, I never noticed. Must be because I’m a phone poster
More of a society issue than a woman issue. Men could theoretically be nagging but most people will remove them from the group as anon showed with Brainy smurf. This keeps them in check so that their good intentions to keep friends safe on day don't turn into malicious power plays to control the next day.
Wait what? We have constant threads about women living life on easy mode
Male version would be Rabbit
Yes
At least if they ever get around to that Kim Possible reboot that Kim's VA keeps teasing since she doesn't have a career anymore, they won't have to worry about Kane retiring since they killed off his character
I don’t see how that’s pertinent to discussion here?
What the hell are you talking about?
I don’t know, I think he misses Kim Possible, and by his post, so does the main VA
You know for a long time I thought Rabbit was a woman.
Let me guess, you're also the guy who keeps making those threads about Double D from EEnE?
Who’s still arguing that kind of thing?
Double D undeniably sounded like a woman in the first season. I legitimately thought Double D was a tomboy girl the very first time I watched EEnE as a kid. I distinctly remember that moment.
If he were a woman, he wouldn’t get beat nearly as much
Marge is just how moms are. Especially when they have "difficult" husbands and sons. If she seems insufferable to you it's because your mother was also nagging all the time.
She’s super tame when compared to other nags because she definitely understands where her husband’s frustrations are coming from at least in earlier seasons. They used to have dreams but they fricked that up together and now they have to pick up the pieces together in their deceptively cruel world.
Lois from Family Guy comes from a rich family.
At least Steven Universe admitted that Pearl is mentally ill. Think Marge and the others are worse since they are always right in their show and their actions never questioned.
I also hate women
Lois did nothing wrong (her family are psychos)
Which one?
I fricking hate Lois’ voice and current Marge sounds like she’s dying at all times, my ears are dying too
Doesn't somebody have to be the responsible one?
Kim Kil Whan's the same kind of character.
That’s so weird when the son has to be the one reigning in the fun.
Actually, I guess it’s not that uncommon in bullshit sitcoms
frick off Pearl is great
SU is pure cancer and while Pearl isn’t a complete nag, she’s got an unhealthy relationship with almost everyone especially Steven.