I have a feeling that this movie will get completely shit on once the hype wears off.
I have a feeling that this movie will get completely shit on once the hype wears off.
I have a feeling that this movie will get completely shit on once the hype wears off.
it's already starting
once some critics who are brave enough to criticize a film about blacks, others will join in. people realized how mid black panther is, but it was impossible to say it when it was first released
Can’t wait for Armond White’s review.
Black panther quakity was never structure but the novelty of the theme. Well yhat and costumes
>people realized how mid black panther is, but it was impossible to say it when it was first released
i still remember this: https://youtu.be/tCnbAAgfxH8?t=244
Only thing getting shit on are transphobes. Miles loves Gwen and her white buck breaking wiener.
>white buck breaking wiener
Where?
Attached to Gwen.
She’s 15
so nice of you to use the pronouns she identifies into.
She is trans you posting this pic every day in every thread will only make Gwen more trans
Why is she the trans?
For Shilling
>Trans rights
the film never says it. Also she says she's spider woman, ya dolt.
Did ITSV get shit on and how long did it take for that to happen?
It took years for anyone to even watch that movie
You didn't answer my question.
No it won’t. Only here, just like the first one and most other universally liked movies. Contrarianism isn’t an interesting trait, and this board has yet to realize that.
Just this board?
Anywhere where you are allowed to highlight that you could clearly see how bad Miles character is if he was white or blacks weren't the victim race. Spider Man is already a wish fulfilment fantasy, Miles is the kid character out of touch executives feel needs to be added. If you're black
People will certainly talk about how terrible the story is
Story isn't over yet.
That doesn't mean i can't criticize this one by what it did
that's part of the problem, imagine if there wasn't a part two, this movie's story wouldn't make sense
Except they made it specifically with a part 2 in mind. No one was calling infinity war or deathly hallows pt 1 or mockingjay pt 1 bad just because the story wasn’t finished, they all were made with the clear intention of having a pt 2
funny you mentioned infinity war since part 2 of that ruined it. i wished infinity war stayed as just the end. it was complete. I didn't really like deathly hallows pt1 and mockingjay pt 1, shit was poorly done
Stories can be stupid and have no satisfying conclusion before they're over, GoT was ruined beyond repair 4 episodes before the show was over, TLJ was stupid and nothing in the sequel could've salvaged it, etc.
>Story isn't over yet.
That's part of the problem with the story, infinity wars and empire strikes back have cliffhanger endings but the story works as a complete story arc and narrative. this movie doesn't, the whole story of this movie feels like setup for the next movie.
I see what are you saying, but in this case is not the same of IW and Empire. Both those movies were planned as standalone sequels first. And so their sequel was built on them AFTER the product was already done (which is why Endgame feels so disconnected and jarring compared to infinity war to me. You can clearly see the writers jumping the shark with it). AtSV is in a situation similar to DUNC: both one big movie that was cut in half because too long for the release. Both aren't movies created to tell a single story and than slap the continuation right after, but rather a big long product that is already to mostly finished but only one part of it got released. Is not a case that both sequels will be released very soon, since the "sequel" is already done (or at least is almost complete).
Yes but Dune or even the terrible hobbit movies are based on books so to stay true the story you have to ended it somewhere sometimes abruptly. This isn't based on a novel or anything. Even something like Back to the Future 2 ends some catharsis, with Doc and Marty stopping Biff. The movie end with Miles getting away from an adversary we don't know is an adversary tell the last 30 minutes of the movie and trapped in the wrong dimension.
It's kind of just bad story telling, it's a deliberate choice but there's no reason to end it that way then we ran out of time and didn't figure out a ending with some catharsis other then Gwen puts the Band together.
Shut up you salty b***h. Nobody likes this movie. Deal with it. Your smarly little ass isn't going to convince anyone otherwise.
Literally go anywhere else and everyone fricking loves this movie, you shut-in
I don't give a frick what anyone else thinks of this movie. All that should matter to you is how you personally feel about this movie. Grow the frick up and stop being a worthless sheep.
>Nobody likes this movie
>Actually they do
>I DON'T CARE
Clown.
homosexual.
>no response
Clown.
homie would be in a burning house with everyone evacuating and be like "i don't feel hot anyway"
>All that should matter to you is how you personally feel about this movie.
Why are you so hot and bothered about the praise around this movie then?
I'm not, I dislike that people constantly point out that "everyone loves this movie" like it's supposed to prove something. Just because everyone likes it, that means I'M supposed to?
You don't deserve a good response. You haven't earned the two seconds it takes to think of one specially prepared. You have zero character, and you'll be treated as such. homosexual.
>we are having a serious discussion
Kek. No, we're not.
Bitch, I'm right here.
>Kek. No, we're not
Because you refuse to answer some counterarguments from this very thread
Sure, it ALL falls on me. And WHAT counterarguments? Smarmy responses made in bad faith are supposed to be counterarguments? I don't have to give any meaningful response to those.
What are you even talking about?
This, you disingenuous moron
Still mad that I called you out? Adjust your attitude, and you won't be promptly treated poorly.
If you don't care that other people like the movie then why would you care if other people hated it like you claimed?
>You don't deserve a good response.
Concession accepted. Clown.
>You haven't earned the two seconds it takes to think of one specially prepared
Yet you spent more than that typing this up.
You are such a fricking homosexual. Whatever argument you desperately want me to indulge with you in, I don't care about at this point.
>Clown clown clown clown
What am I supposed to do with that? Do you honestly believe you're entitled to a genuine conversation when you've been doing nothing blathering smarmy nonsense like this to me? Rethink your strategy here.
Go back to Twitter, homosexual
>All that should matter to you is how you personally feel about this movie.
I liked it
You can always tell how young shitposters are. Most people grow out if contrarianism after 25 years old or so. Those that don't would be diagnosed with arrested development.
lol these movies suck and they plagiarize plot points and animation from anime that was made decades ago
Is that why the anime and manga industry loved the first one so much?
And loving the second one.
black panther was shit, this movie was good, but the first spiderverse was better. I will not elaborate.
The year is 2012. Every Miles story is about how he is a totally valid successor as Spider-Man.
The year is 2023. Every Miles story is about how he is a totally valid successor as Spider-Man.
The year is 2034. Every Miles story is about how he is a totally valid successor as Spider-Man.
>they keep trying to make miles a thing
>he will never be a thing
He already has his own triple AAA video game, his own trilogy of successful theatrical films, prominent parts in other games, and is already foreshadowed for the MCU. This alone ensures that he'll be a thing just because of sheer inertia.
>but in the comics and cartoons -
no one gives a frick, ~40 million people saw the first Spiderverse movie and ~10 million people bought his game. Comics and cartoon shows are considered successful if they draw a few hundred thousand viewers/readers and have little to no impact on the broader culture.
You sound so insecure.
I don't even likes Miles (or that I have to call him Miles because they couldn't just name him something like Scarlet Spider), I'm just stating facts. The character's less than two decades old and already has more (and more) successful media than much older mainstays like the Fantastic Four or Flash.
Alright then.
A good fantastic movie would destroy Miles tbqh
You could even make Ben a Black or something for the black audience
I can never get off of my mattress and all that they can ask is "Why are you so sad, kid?".
That's what the mask is. That's what the point of the mask is
seething
>He already has his own triple AAA video game
It's just dlc charading as a full game
>He already has his own triple AAA video game, his own trilogy of successful theatrical films, prominent parts in other games
and it's all dogshit
>his own trilogy
No, he needs the whole multiverse to be interesting.
>The year is 1993, John Jones is totally a real green lantern and totally the one on the justice league hal is off doing... Uh, something
>The year is 2003, every story is about how static shock is totally a thing and bast friends with batman
>The year is 2013, miles morales is totally spiderman of earth whatever
>the year is 2023, iron heart is...
The island of misfit ethnic and pallet swap characters grows larger every decade. For how hard they at the big 2 force it, not a single one has even the niche success of Spawn
>and only white ppl know he's black
>>The year is 1993, John Jones is totally a real green lantern
Stewart?
Or the Martian Manhunter had the ring?
Let me clarify
>The black one no one's seen since JLU in anything anyone has actually read or watched
_____ but black, electric powers, or in miles case ______ but black with electric powers. It keeps happening even while it's just not fricking happening going on over 30 years.
DC even we wuzzzz'd hawkman, full afrofutirst lemme axe you bout yakub design aesthetic, and made him Dr. Fates best fren. Black Adam was such an abortion no one could draw up the ire to care, but if it had any success it'd have coopted yet another D-lister. Now Gunn is doing some buddy cop thing where they'll get again pretend Stewart is a real character.
Martian Manhunter wasn't a green lantern and Hal was still the main man until he went crazy and stuff. Normies will be raped, btw.
But that's not what this movie is about.
It is, you're just media illiterate
The movie's climax literally has Miguel, the antagonist, seething and foaming out of his mouth that Miles is Spider-Man having the latter say with loud aproximation that he is Spider-Man and he will write his own story.
Most of the film is just exposition and set-up for the sequel. So you aren't wrong.
Can we have a serious discussion about the movie?, it just saw it yesterday. It was very ebtertaining, however when it tries to get serious with the whole spiderverse thing it really falls off, why did miguel told mailes about his dad having to die before it happened, it was such a moronic move, then the whole multidimension stuff is such a bad plot device
>indian spidermas world will get fricked up
>but not really
There is a really lack of consequences in the middle of this multiversal threat, how all of those spidermen with more experience than Miles lose to him? Miguel was never shown to be a threat since the beggining of the movie, as he couldn't keep up with a fricking vulture, he had to ask help to a fricking pregnant women, so when he was manhalding Miles i just knew it wouldn't last, the implications that Gwen's dad won't die because he resigned is so fricking stupi, why didn't any spidermen think about that? Why did that black girl let Miles go? Only her felt simpathy towards him? Then why didn't more spidermen help him?
the problem with even discussing the movie is that it's 1/2 of a whole with bad information given. We're not too sure if we can trust Miguel as a trust worthy info dump, without knowing where they're going with the second half, its just a shit show of incomplete plot points and messaging.
That's dumb, even if it's just a first parter it should be good on it's own
you what's even dumber? with the writer strike, and screen actor guild strike, Beyond the Spider-verse might be delayed and not even come out next year. there's rumor that the voice acting haven't even started, and since the SAG also prevents voice acting, it looks grim for them
It's literally already done on the writing side. That's why its being released in March
>We're not too sure if we can trust Miguel as a trust worthy info dump
But we can, specifically because multiple other Spider people were there to see the loss of the universe he destroyed. The issue is that Miles is an unknown variable due to his place in the canon, and if he's technically part of two canons does that mean he can do things no one else can? But then what about people like Peter B, Gwen, Noir, Spider Ham, or Peni who had their lives directly changed because of Miles? Was that part of their canon or was that an influence by Miles and if it's the latter why isn't that destroying their canons? If anything it seems like Miles and his actions can ignore canon so they're just gonna write it as him being some exception and Miguel is still right.
Because it's written to "get back at" people who don't love Miles.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/137577445/
>if it's popular is le bad
>if it's popular is le good
Shut up, we are having a serious discussion, if you don't want to participate and the only thing you can say is generalitations with no real argument then get out
The movie is good because it's good, not for being popular. The first movie wasn't popular and didn't make much money, but it was still good.
>is good because it's good
Then refute
That's what a discussion is all about
It's just too midwit to sustain under any scrutiny. But that's the whole point of using a two parter for marketing. People are supposed to speculate and analyze the first one in preparation for the next. But it's just resulting in people inadvertently poking holes in the movie and it's premise.
Miles is one of the worst black superheroes. Why does he get pushed so hard?
Miles is an experiment. If they can make him THE Spider-Man then expect the other big heroes to follow like Batman and Superman.
No it won’t. Want to know why. Because part 2 probably won’t come out until like 2025 (not a good thing btw + I don’t buy that match 2024 release date). Realisticay it will get the No Way Home treatment after the hype dies down.
Ironically my main problem with the movie is that it was literally cut in half. There was no actual ending. It’s not as bad as this board says it is (some of the hate is literally being contrarian just for the frick of it) but yeah no way I’m putting it above ITSV.
>no way I’m putting it above ITSV
This basically. It was okay, but it bothered me a lot that the characters didn't really seem to focus on stopping Spot as much as they really should have.
Where? On here? Because this place is desperate for it to fail and are getting mad that it's not.
>hype wears off.
Never happened with the first movie, so it wouldnt happened with this one as well
cope
This thread is now a Kirby thread.
Post and discuss Kirby media.
>Black Spiderman is now also officially the homosexual Spiderman.
Kek enjoy your representation blacks. Hope you like it.
>Black Spiderman is now also officially the homosexual Spiderman.
where?
also, kek
Spider-Gwen is a troony.
Miles the type of chaser to troon out himself eventually. Just call me like I see em.
It's going to be forgotten in less than five years. Long term I would be very surprised if Into doesn't remain the best grossing movie in the trilogy, unless they do a 180 on the quality in the third film.
>Long term I would be very surprised if Into doesn't remain the best grossing movie in the trilogy
It's already surpassed the first dude. At WORST it's on path to make 500M which is still good for it's budget, will proably make somewhere between 600M and 700M.
ok sony, whatever you say
I think its at 400 million already and we aren't even 2 weeks in sooooo cope.
cmon dude. just admit you didn't know.
Here? Yes. It's happening already.
Places where people don't go for the express purpose of being able to say "Black person" without fear of punishment? Probably not. It'll get regarded as the animated/superhero Empire Strikes Back where it's cliffhanger made it weaker than its predecessor.
Go back.
Go back where? To
yet another "Miles Morales" thread that devolves into mexicans anons whining about blacks being on tv?
Its cliffhanger is worse than Empire Strikes Back. Empire Strike Back still has the class three act structure with rising action, climax, and falling action and thus functions as a proper story on its own. It’s only a cliffhanger because the villains win during the climax. Spider-verse is only a one and a half act story where the story gets cut off before the climax.
I disagree because there was some resolution in this movie it just wasn't for the main arc; it was for Gwen's story.
>it was for Gwen's story.
Gwen's story didn't get its proper due IMO, it felt rushed and crammed in with a bunch of other things that were already crammed in and everything suffered because they didn't have time to really flesh out everything.
It also wasn't a very satisfying story. Gwen didn't have to actually change.
There's two through lines in Gwen's ATVS story: her "coming out" to her dad, and her making friends. With her dad, he learns about her identity despite her best efforts, rejects her, she fricks off for a few months, then when she returns he's already decided to accept her. With her friends, it's even more anemic, because she says in her intro that she can't make friends but then the next time we see her she has all the friends she needs.
I think Earth-65 is the best the film ever looks, but Gwen's storyline is just padding.
>Gwen didn't have to actually change.
But she had to stop running away and face her problems, she went and talk to her father and then to Miles' parents, something she wouldn't have done before (that's why she avoided telling Miles the true at the start). She did change.
But she didn't stop running away from her dad, the Spider Society sent her home against her will. And her talking to Miles' parents wasn't really part of her arc.
She didn't need to come back home OR talk to her dad. Also, did you miss the part were her dad was going away and avoiding the issue (like she does) and she actually went and stop him?
>And her talking to Miles' parents wasn't really part of her arc.
Yes it was you dense fricker. How on earth do you have issue getting a movie for teens?
>She didn't need to come back home OR talk to her dad. Also, did you miss the part were her dad was going away and avoiding the issue (like she does) and she actually went and stop him?
Gwen's issue was never talking with her dad, it was that her dad was refusing to accept her for being Spider-Woman. She doesn't run away because she's scared to talk to him, she runs away because he's trying to arrest her. By the time she gets back he's already quit and doesn't want to arrest her anymore. That isn't growth from Gwen, it's her getting her problems solved off screen.
>Yes it was you dense fricker. How on earth do you have issue getting a movie for teens?
Please, enlighten me then. How is Gwen deciding to talk to Miles' parents part of her arc? What kind of personal growth does that signify?
She was always afraid of confronting the issue, that's the reason why she went to see Miles but she didn't told him the true. Same with his dad, and with Peter, both who went and did stupid things that could've been avoided if she had just told them instead of waiting to confront them in the worst possible time. When she was hearing Miles' parents talk, she could have just gone away, but instead she took responsibility, not as Spider-Woman, but as Gwen.
>Gwen's story didn't get its proper due IMO, it felt rushed and crammed in
What did Miles mean by this?
>it was for Gwen's story.
Gwen story was a scene at the beginning and at the end. Also she has no agency in her story arc. she's leaves because she feels like she has to or she'll be a fugitive and she's forced to go back by Miguel for reasons that have nothing to do with her growth character over the course of the film. The only thing changed between George and Gwen in the last scene is the month apart.
>The only thing changed between George and Gwen in the last scene is the month apart.
And that he was willing to arrest her, and once he experience his life without her he not only came around but he even quit the police force?
>was some resolution in this movie it just wasn't for the main arc
Then there wasn't a resolution and it was a bad arc. Resolving the B plot does nothing for the main plot which is just abruptly cut off
>It'll get regarded as the animated/superhero Empire Strikes Back where it's cliffhanger made it weaker than its predecessor.
Shit taste,That movie is considered the best of the saga.
What the actual frick are you talking about? ESB is widely considered to be the strongest entry in the entire trilogy!
The first movie is better than the second, so no you're incorrect
The fact that it's one movie split into two so it's much too long is a big problem.
People are already criticizing what it did to every other Spider-Man for the sake of propping up Miles. I'm still mad that they did my boy Miguel dirty and turned him into an anti-Miles strawman.
Kek, you and maybe 100 people vs 20 million that loved it.
Why are you mad that your boy agrees with you?
I have a feeling that this man's spots feel like sticking your dick in aloe vera
I loved that Miles acknowledges him as his nemesis at the end after initially writing him off as a joke.
It's just too uninteresting for me. Why should I care about any of these bootleg Spiderman? Woah, this Spiderman has a hockey stick!!!
Because Spiderman is cool, and seeing different versions of him is cool
Debatable. Whenever there's a Batcave scene where Batman looks over all his past suits that appear as cameos I genuinely don't give a shit. The story is more important than recognizing a Spiderman from the hit Bendis run where the Green Goblin throatfricks Aunt May and Peter's Spiderman crest has slightly longer legs than usual
sure
i just think its over the top
I like the movie but I would rather there were like 20 spidermen instead of 2 million spidermen
for example even in the first movie only miles,gwen and peter were that important
Yeah, they kinda went crazy with the whole interdimensional army of spider-men. Like, how do all these guys have the time to just hang out in the spider-citadel? A recurring theme with a lot of these characters is that the responsibilities of being the "one and only" Spider-Man eats into their personal life. But I guess they can just skip out on their duties as Spider-Man and goof around in Miguel's Fortress of Spider?
Peter Parker was based on a young Stan Lee. This takes a shit on the spider man.
Embarrassing post anon. Peter is Ditko, Stan is JJJ.
Its a good movie but they really need to find a way to blend breathing time with A MILLION THINGS HAPPENING EVERY FRAME because Into felt like their was a man behind the curtain flipping the action/rest switch at his own discretion and pleasure.
You guys can turn on it if you want to but I can't see myself not enjoying it every time I rewatch it for the rest of my life. Greatest comic book film ever made and I'll not only die on that hill, but I invite all of you to track me down and murder me if you disagree
Like 99% of the population agrees. Literally pure contrarians.
This is pathetic.
Literally nobody gives a frick about you.
You don't need to dickride this movie so hard. Miles is not gonna come out of the screen and let you buck break him
I was shitting on it right away just based on the clunky pacing and the way it ends as the third act is winding up.
Yeah, the same thing happened with no way home, once the shock wore off the plot issues became apparent.
i feel like the Cinemaphile of 10 years ago would've loved this movie
10 years ago was 2013. You'd have to go prior to 2008. And not just because then Miles wouldn't exist.
*Cinemaphile would have love this movie if it came out before they were born
Cinemaphile of 10 years ago would still hate it, there'd just be more people talking about the bad plot instead of the politics of it all
>there'd just be more people talking about the bad plot instead of the politics of it all
the Twitter baiters are just the loudest people. The people who actually discussing it are talking about the perceived plot holes.
It's been pretty mixed, I enjoyed it more than the First one (And I watched the first one recently again to make sure it wasn't just recency bias) but my sister thought the sequel wasn't as good as the first. My friend thought the sequel sucked, while my other friend thought it was good.
Honestly I think the main problem with the movie was the lame gwen intro and the cliffhanger ending that most people weren't aware of
one of the worst parts of the movie were the live-action cameo shills.
Gwen being a troony is the only thing still being talked about for this movie.
Nah your shits died down finally
It’s really odd to me how ridiculously defensive people get about it. All of my friends and family that watched it were in utter shock that I didn’t think it was the best movie of all time, and it’s the same online. It seems like “experts” have crawled out of the woodwork everyone to say “It’s ok that the canon thing made no sense and the Spiders are in a cult because something something Stan Lee wanted it this way.”
Does the movie somehow have brainwashing powers? At best it’s convoluted and repetitive but pretty, at worst it’s a big dump on Spider-Man in general.
>Does the movie somehow have brainwashing powers?
No but it did tap into an already brainwashed part of people's brains and activated sleeper agent protocols
That’s usually how it is to have an unpopular opinion in general: people treat it like it’s some sort of blasphemous act. Sucks to hear you had to deal with that shit.
i remember that stan lee quote and it was clearly referring to the character as is.
"any kid could be spiderman", not "every kid should be spiderman"
the fact they and so many normies not even in a corporate function failed to see the nuance in that really disturbs me.
The cognitive dissonance from people saying "anyone could be Spider-Man" to "that's why alternate Spider-Men are a good" thing is baffling. It's like saying "I made a universal phone size that perfectly fits all hands" and then saying "that's why there's 1000 variations of it for every hand size", then you're implying the original is not that fricking universal is it?
What’s funny is Lee also didn’t like legacy characters.
That's because people could see themselves as the character and relate on a humanistic level. It doesn't mean mean it in the literal sense. Now instead of being able to understand people because we posses basic empathy, we're all self centered c**ts who needs all their fictions to be LITERALLY ME.
Yeah, I can agree with this. I'm not familiar enough with Miles to have an opinion about him outside of the movies or Insomniac games where I think he's fine enough, but it does feel like every time there's some new piece of media, everyone's always screeching about how there needs to be a trans this or a gay that or whatever. Not even to service the story, but just to say "Look, there's a character that's like this!"
>the quote is actually that Spider-Man was great because anyone could resonate with him as he is
>all of these morons see the quote as excuse to justify their new OC
Literally nazi germany and 1984
So right now?
Well, it already lost to Transformers this weekend...
Where do you think it's gonna in week 3? I think
>1 flash
>2 transformer
>3 Atsv
>4 Elemental
Ok I am going to say this with 100% sincerity.
What about this film made people so touched? Like, its a good movie, but there never was a "Wow, this may change my life forever". What about this movie is connecting with so many people?
Spider-Man is a kid of color now. And that's important.
Ha Ha, yea but seriously non of the praise I see is about his race
People like the first one and wanted more.
It's the sequel trap, make everything bigger more spider-man more dimensions bigger stakes bigger set pieces. Oh we for got the first movie is just a simple personal story at it's core.
I don’t see why it couldn’t have just been Miles going to different universes.
>Spot taps into other dimension
>Miles and Gwen chase him down
>Along the way they meet other Spiders, including 2099 whose Alchemax got ransacked and worked on tech to figure out what Spot’s doing
>The Alchemax goal thing is a mystery instead of spelled out for you
>Spot gets an upgrade, then makes his own Sinister Six/Twelve with alternate universe versions of various villains
>Miles, realizing Spot is focused on him, uses that to trick him and beating him
Then how would we let the audience know that everyone but Miles is shit and wrong and we need to love him above all.
That’s the craziest part to me about the movie. The first movie was fine. It gave us a 10/10 Peter, the other Spiders came off a little rough but still heroic, and Miles got to develop mainly on his own and it never sacrificed other characters to get him there. He was inexperienced but found his way of doing things that worked for him. If the sequel was just developed Miles being Spider-Man it would’ve worked fine.
But in the sequel they seemed compelled to shit on everyone else. They had a strong base and could’ve easily not done it, yet they did it anyways. Imagine being so bitter and pissy about your character not being worshipped 24/7 that you manipulate your knowledge of Spider-Man to purposefully miss the point and shit on the franchise for one character.
Doomposters tried to warn you, the purpose of Miles was never about creating yet another character to add to the Spider-Man mythos, it was always about trying to supplant and displace what Spider-Man is about and anyone reaching for him as a character had the same goals.
I'm kind of confused why everyone is shitting on Miles for that particular thing when Hobie is the one ragging on the Spider Society before Miles even turns against them.
Hobie's entire character is about being against shit.
If the "system" told him not to litter, he'd do it just to spite them.
We are genuinely so starved of good animation anymore that any semblanfe of "style" in a 3D animated film enhances absolutely everything else about it
You can't shit on AtSV because Gwen is trans.
It's fine, kinda typical kids movie with cool style and Spidey slap on it.
Why did they give Gwen a black dude fetish?
Bendis worked on the movie. Not joking.
It's happening in real time to some of my friends.
You know what else has shit on it? Gwen's dick.
It must be so painful to see your most hated character get one of the best movies ever on a visual and musical level. Movie is a feast for the eyes and ears and that alone gives it more value than the majority of BS coming out these days. Cry and scream as much as you want. Kino will still be Kino.
>musical level
I looked up some songs.
Not my jam.
But, putting that aside, Miguel's theme had 2 million views, Gwens had 500k, Miles' had 300k
Miguel has the best sounding theme.
Don't really see this as a correlation to the likeability of the characters.
Pipe down you pathetic shill.
>Paid post
It's not pretty to look at. People in the industry don't believe in beauty. Miscarriage-Woman is a pointless eyesore, miles is average looking, etc
If you actually felt this way, you wouldn't talk, you would just post the visuals of the movie.
They'll avoid criticizing things like pushing miles to avoid getting called racist
Conventionally not talking about the story I see.
Just turn your brain off bro
>best movies ever
Where?
You must not know much about art and music
>musical
Doesn’t this movie have such bad sound design that sony literally had to make a patch for it?
>Movie is a feast for the eyes and ears
>and ears
They literally had to rerelease the movie because the sound mixing was atrocious
zoomer here, the amount of hype and shilling seems practically unprecedented to me.
I'm seeing so many random people, so many e-celebs shilling about it.
i'm seeing so many instagram memes, YouTube memes, twitter memes, tiktok sound memes.
i'm already seeing fricking hour long analysis being recommended to me.
i refuse to believe this is organic, its like black panther but less on the nose yet louder if that you understand what i mean
its so weird
also frick Sony for firing Alberto Mielgo.
>zoomer here
Stopped reading
Where can I watch this in decent quality?
at your local movie theater
Ots worth watching at a theater just for the eye candy even if you find the story lacking.
Nowhere, it looks like glitchy choppy shit in the best quality IMAX theater in the world, that's the master copy for some reason
uh um
i like The Spot
he's cool 🙂
he's cute!
bite-able muffin top!
This has got be the worst design than his original comic book counterpart.
You will now remember when twitter and Cinemaphile were sperging out about Spider-Man laughing about villain names in No Way Homo
Doctor Otto Octavius?
?t=9
That spot is pretty menacing here..
>restore Gwen's hair and remove the piercing
>remove the fricking pregnant Black person
Movie is now much better.
I don't really remember Jessica doing all that much aside from being Miguel's #2. Really, the main thing that bothered me about her is that she's crime-fighting while pregnant.
Peter B. carrying Mayday around with him also bothered me a little, but at least he's not doing anything other than swinging around with her.
This thread will be fun to look back on when ATSV wins the Best Animated Feature Oscar next year
Why
Ya think? It’s got horrible pacing, most of the main cast of the first film barely appears in this one, the sound design was so fricked that sony had to release a new version of the film, the canon event/death cult stuff has to be one of the most insulting things you could do with spiderman. First off, could they have a more obnoxiously meta name than canon events? I legitimately want to talk to whoever thought that was good writng. Second off, the concept of canon events barely works as is since a lot of the spideys don’t have the same event, especially a captain Stacey event. Even if captain stacey did die more in the very specific way they describe in the film, they’re still acting like every spidery would just go along and essentially do character assassination on not only the first film’s spidey cast sans miles, but every single spidey they could find. And ignoring all that, implying that uncle ben’s death is a multiversal constant that cannot be avoided completely ruins the impact of it. That is supposed to be a completely avoidable accident that only happens due to peter’s netligence so making his death be out of peter’s control utterly destroys what impact it’s supposed to have. But even ignoring that, this a comic book movie about the multiverse, and comic book movie as well as the multiverse are two trends people are starting to despise.
Based. I wish someone, anyone, with a platform would reiterate these things.
all the "canon events" are related to spidermen losing their loved ones. Maybe the disasters that are caused by preventing them are the work of a future omnipresent version of The Spot getting pissy whenever a spiderman almost goes through a traumatic event but doesn't?
of course if the multiverse actually just inexplicably wants people close to spiderman to die or else universes explode naturally then that's kind of dumb
It's kind of funny that Miguel stops Gwen's dad from dying at the start of the film and basically leads to a sequence of events that lead him to stop being a Captain Stacy and the movie just kind of glosses over the fact.
I guess it'll be more important in Movie 3?
Internal logic in this movie? You’re giving it too much credit
Why the frick did they make Miles' mom so frickin' fine? My dick was twitching every time she talked back to her son, I was leakin' bros
she was a badder b***h than gwen and I'm I can say that in public because unlike gwen she's legal.
because latina women age well
>Movie and cartoon shit getting forgotten about immediately.
Shock. Shock and awe.
>t. "i'm a pick me contrarian"
Cope and seethe
It won't. Across the Spiderverse is awful but e-celebs and twitter don't really get Spider-Man and the animation is pretty. To them it's just a self-insert fantasy torture porn until a black kid comes in to save Spidey's soul. Black savior fiction one might say. These people would have cheered today if One More Day got adapted in the Across the Spiderverse style and starred Miles.
I see the Cinemaphilentrarianism is kicking off.
should i go see this in the cinema or just watch it at home on my OLED? my nearest cinema is an hours drive away, dont know if its worth it
If you don't care about the story and/or don't really care about how Spider-Man gets characterized go watch in the cinema. The visuals are good.
fiiiine
it definitely helps with the visuals. There are some scenes where the screen is packed end to end with things to look at. It just depends on how much you value the "movie-going experience."
>I have a feeling that this movie will get completely shit on once the shilling campaign is over
ftfy.
What is the obsession with making everything so meta these days? It’s like these writers can’t make anything genuine without a hint of irony. It’s the truth for almost all of these upper middle class folk who write these stories. They’re allergic to making pulp. Always wanting to needlessly reinvent the wheel and subvert things for the sake of it, never in service of the story. These are type of people who look down on lower class individuals such as myself for enjoying pulpy entertainment like the standard superhero stories instead of their pretentious experimental fare. Do they really hate making superhero stories this much?
>What is the obsession with making everything so meta these days?
Might be related to how most media consoomers actually can't engage with movies, games or shows in a way where character don't exactly talk and act like them. You constantly see it with foreign media be it japanese anime/games or korean shows/movies. Big personalites that influence children on youtube constantly talk about cringe or second hand embarrassment when they engage with this kind of media where character talk their heart out blatentely and fantasy elements are more spiritual in nature with extremely whacky situations occuring as well, so of course they'd dislike it as well. Like when parents told their kids that adult shouldn't watch cartoons because that's what society expects, so you get samey kind of slop. Either it's meta and constantly off-handly apologises for its own existence or extremely neutered media containing the same safe archetypes and stories with some quipping here and there. Father/Master and child/student relationships where the torch gets passed down are currently very popular. Most of the MCU phase 4 and now phase 5 for example has been nothing but this. Nothing made my eyes roll harder when Miles calls it a Spiderverse and Miguel calls that stupid which seemed extremely insecure of the writers whether that was intended or not.
The ones who have issues that the characters in media don’t talk like them are NOT most people, nor are they the ones who consume media the most. Those guys are the same upper middle class types who write this shit. Most people ie the common folk can enjoy solid pulpy entertainment just fine.
Animation, designs, action, etc are all good to great but the writing is actual dogshit.
I don't think the film itself will be shit on because of how much of a technical marvel it is and the story is probably the best written Spider-Man story in the past ten years. I do think Miles Morales and Gwen Stacy will persist in the collective consciousness and be marketed and milked the shit out of though. Spider-Gwen is worse of a character conceptually than Miles. I don't understand Marvel's obsession with her, it's like three inside jokes from Marvel Editorial wrapped in a spidersuit.
>I don't think the film itself will be shit on because of how much of a technical marvel it is
lol
>and the story is probably the best written Spider-Man story in the past ten years
LOL
>Le contrarianism
How is it none of those things. The story bit maybe, but the animation alone is worth it. Do you honestly believe that the new comics are worth your time anon?
New comics are garbage and ATSV somehow manages to be even worse written than them. The animation is just novel due to its gimmicks, it doesn't have the timeless appeal of the actual masterwork classics, once more studios get on the bandwagon and actually start doing more than layering tons of post processing effects and halving the FPS of their usual movie styles it's going to age like e.g. Reboot.
i want to buy him his favorite brand of applesauce and pour it down his face hole
>copers are in the wishful thinking stage where they believe spiderverse is just super early to some upcoming inevitable trend
anyways i can't stop spotposting
Goddamn is this movie overrated as hell. Not only is like it was made by an sperg with ADHD who just snorted a ton coke, there's no fricking third act to the narrative. Even Infinity War had an actual finale to it's narrative, nothing it's resolved here.
And holy shit, is this movie pozzed as frick. Black pregnant lady endangering her kid, Brit Black person with dildos as hair being an insuffarable anarchist while the movie pretends he's cool, and that's just some examples.
The first one is so much better in all aspects except animation and maybe soundtrack.
>The first one is so much better in all aspects except animation and maybe soundtrack.
and yet it's also overrated tho
The knocked up Black person was obnoxious.
>fearsome menacing spider man shows up
>oh god Im so weak help me!
Miguel could have had so much more presence without that pointless Black person chick.
Nah, spider verse has reached mainstream twitter audiences who are incapable of rational thought. It has way too many people who will defend it emotionally and because muh racism or meta commentary no matter what. Maybe in ten years if miles finally fades into irrelevancy but people have been dickriding miles for years