I...ITS NOT LIKE I BELIEVED IN KRAKOA OR ANYTHING!

NTA but amusingly the comics did have flowcharts in them.

The thing is, it's several stories:

-Duggan has been writing the "mundane" stuff: X-Men vs Orchis, Nimrod trying to destroy all life, etc.
-Gillen (with some additions by Spurrier and Ewing) has been writing the more metaphysical stuff, with the mutants in the White Hot Room, Xavier and his team outside of time trying to prevent Enigma*.
-Foxe is writing the Dead X-Men stuff, which is kind of ancilliary to Gillen's but more focused on chasing a rogue Moira from one of her dead timelines.

*Because the other anon teased it:
Essex foresaw the rise of the "Machine Gods", and created a plan to become one himself.
He made 4 clones (3 of himself, one of his wife), and set them, unbeknownst to each other, to explore 4 different ways to ascend to Godhood:
-Mr Sinister through mutants
-Dr Stasis through human enhancement
-Orbis Stellaris through space technology
-Mother Righteous through magic

All of them achieved it in different timelines, but Essex's trap card activated each time, stealing their Godhoods and using them to become the most powerful Dominion, Enigma.

It sounds convoluted but it's not so much. We get half the reveal in the Sins of Sinister event, and the rest in the last issue of Immortal X-Men. And if the reaction in the storytime threads here is anything to go by, the setups and payoffs were well done and satisfying.

I'll admit tho, they're rushing through the end of the era, and that has affected the pacing a lot in this last leg of it.

And what happened to that? They will retgone the magic drug plants? I don't follow X-men closely in ages. Everyone will be ok with having cancer back?

I can't think of Doom as a villain ever since Valeria was born

>They've had MULTIPLE cancer cures from various individuals in the Marvel U for some time now.
Wakanda has even considered using theirs as a bargaining chip with the west on occasion. Norman Osborn has a cure that he's weaponized against targets with healing factors.

>flood market with free drugs
>everyone complains you're putting people out of jobs and crashing their economies

>ignore mutants suffering in oppressive countries
>people b***h xmen are buttholes for turning blind eye to genocide

There is no winning move in any of this.

Again, as we've seen in the actual books, there are in fact a number of people who would allow themselves to be brutally beaten to death for the chance at getting their powers back.

Hell, you don't even need to take my word for it that the Crucible is a fricked up indoctrination ceremony, Si Spurrier outright lays it out for the readers in the same book he shows said mutant begging Kurt to explain why he didn't essentially euthanize them in favor of Magneto's murderous torture session.

I take it you just ignored the part where it accurate notes
>Crucible is therefore billed as offering a measure of dignity to one who seeks death and reincarnation
Again, actual children were trying to enter the damn thing despite knowing they were being beaten to death with no hope of being able to actually survive.

>that doesn't count cause uh it just doesn't
Fine. Here's a second one. One that makes it clear that neither the mutant in question nor Nightcrawler sees it as a fight among equals but a glorified suicide pact to be given the privilege of being whole again. So yeah, again, this shit doesn't discourage death, it's outright telling the populace to embrace it at large via the glorification of it.

The point is to not stop anyone doing it. It’s to stop people from killing themselves and abusing the resurrection system. Brutality of the crucible is there to also disincentivise people from going from that route, but obviously some will still do it and bear it and in such cases they will get resurrection. It’s a society where death doesn’t exist anymore. So of course it’s going to be a bit fricked up when you want to stop people from just not caring about death at all.

It didn’t fail. If it had people would just commit suicide all the time or the crucible would have island long lines, which it didn’t have.

How do you write this? How does an editor see this and think it's okay? HOW IS THIS A MAINSTREAM SUPER HERO COMIC BOOK! This is so offensively stupid and bad I can't believe it's real. This feels like a joke someone makes parodying comic book death.

I mean I've seen some dumb shit in mainstream comics. I've seen Carol get raped by her future son to give birth to him. I've seen Spider-man make a deal with the devil. I've seen a lot. But the X-men turning into a sect of death worshipping suicide cultists who tell teens to blow their own heads off with SIC MOVE BRO is just .. I can't even process this.

How do you write this? How does an editor see this and think it's okay? HOW IS THIS A MAINSTREAM SUPER HERO COMIC BOOK! This is so offensively stupid and bad I can't believe it's real. This feels like a joke someone makes parodying comic book death.

Krakoa is where mutants became everything that sodom and gomorrah had with all of its sodomy included.
A literal Republic of Mutant Weimar.
And still this shit wont end with them learning that all they did all of the hedonistic shit only fueled mankind's hatred against them thanks to Chuck.

X men returning to status quo constantly is dumb why do you guys care still? It always happens

Because marvel gave the new status quo you homosexuals wanted it, and it turned out to be every shit Marvel Humans warned what mutants would do.
And made it even worse to a point shit like Orchis had to be made to stop it, instead of Chuck coming to his senses .

"Poor Kurt" who spends all of Way of X seeing the other mutants he hung out with and was friends with descending into a spiral of hedonistic nihilism and doesn't do or say anything in the end, just wrings his hands and says maybe he should start a mutant branch of religion and maybe that'll help.

I hate Way of X so much. So fricking much.Si Spurrier went straight to the top of the shit pile for me next to Duggan

Did Spurrier do X-Force during Krakoa? The two X-books I felt he worked on where Legion and X-Force and both have a very different kind of tone than Way of X. But yeah I see what you mean about the plot tying him down

Cause Apocalypse decided to do it that way and nobody had the guts to tell him to stop. Nor did they ever dismantle it even after En Sabah Nurr left to go back to his wife, they just handed it off to Silver Samurai and never really talked about it again.

"for a while"
It's still going until july. it's been five years

I don't know about you, but any society where an adult has to explicitly tell the kids that they can't enter a suicide arena to look pretty again is a fricked up one that probably shouldn't be doing that to begin with

Where in the Hell did they find braces in GIANT FRICKING HORROR SHOW size?

So the process actually dealt with the problem of people just intentionally killing themselves in hopes of getting resurrected and the handful of people who go through the crucible actually earned their right to get at the head of the line while most people can’t go through it.

What's wrong with saying "hoi polloi", anon?

Damn you mean Dr Nemesis, who worked with nazis, might be at best an butthole?

>From the Desk of Doctor Nemesis
Like, if it was Storm or Pre-shittified Beast or Cyke saying it, I'd understand the concern. But even when he isn't a fricking Nazi, Nemesis is an Assbandit.

This man was a literal, actual, willing Nazi. He was going to nerve gas the US for Hitler.

They really did turn them into the Inhumans, didn't they? That's basically how they feel about terrigenesis

>a property of Marvel/Disney.
So he'll become a hermit and reclusive shell of his former self, until he's found by an even more powerful double omega telepath who berates him for being white, and he grovels at her feet.

Goddamn you gays have a serious persecution complex

I'd tell you to stop being a b***h and man up but that seems to be your only setting

>and he's white

haha not for long he aint

Xavier isn't an omega, tourist

I can't refute things that never happened, Anon

The only omega telepath isn't special enough already?

This kind of trolling is so moronic, this board has hated krakoa for the last 3 years

The last time there was a team or robots, it didn't go well.

I'm just hoping it means we'll be leaving the Decimation style status quo for good where the X-men were constantly worried about some kid sneezing means the entire mutant population is going to be Holocaust'd. I'm not going to get my hopes too up, mind, I don't have THAT much faith in Marvel. But it'd be nice to get away from that.

I think if they actually remembered that most of the X-men characters are from different countries and with different life experiences, it'd help.

>but instead the only time we see mutants who declined to go the Krakoa they are just treated as idiots for it
Reminds me of the time Whirlwind showed up and was asked why he'd turn down a free shot at paradise, and he gave probably the most logical answer in the entirety of the X-men books

Exactly. Like if you're not a character who has been swept up into the big race struggle your whole career what the frick does being a mutant mean to you? Do you automatically like another person more because he/she is a mutant? That's like saying you automatically like someone because they happen to have solid earlobes like you.

Whirlwind is a thug, anon. He doesn't give a shit about their lack of ethics and morals. All he knows is that the X-Men have a tendency to invoke the wrath of the heavens and he doesn't want to be there when it happens.

that’s what I wanted. What it means to build a society. I wanted parliamentary politics and fights about whether people could bring their human, inhuman, or robot relatives. I wanted an adult story written for adults by adults.

>I feel like there was a lot of missed potential for mutants with shitty powers but actual relevant experience in stuff needed to run a nation
Man we needed an uprising story where the ordinary mutants of Krakoa rose up against the leadership. Call it Krakoa Vs X-Men or Mutants Vs X-Men or whatever to draw in the readers or whatever and finally address the social hierarchy that exists in X-Men stories.

If Inhuman Vs X-Men was considered good enough to draw in X-Men readers despite being designed to dunk on the latter, then it should be ok when the opponents have a sympathetic point. You can still have the popular A-list characters join the people.

Reminder that Storm lacks a formal education and what little education she might have received would have been a few years of self-directed education that ended prior to her adolescence. Despite being her native language, English would probably be her third language after Masri and a Bantu dialect. She probably reads and writes Arabic better than English.

Reminder that Storm lacks a formal education and what little education she might have received would have been a few years of self-directed education that ended prior to her adolescence. Despite being her native language, English would probably be her third language after Masri and a Bantu dialect. She probably reads and writes Arabic better than English.

They never bothered to find real teachers when it was just a school where clearly nobody took even the basics of a Safeguarding training course, so its par for the course really.

At least there were people on the Quiet Council with real world experience of running small countries and large commercial enterprises, like several time el Presidente Magneto, or Mr Sinister, or Apocalypse, or Sebastian Shaw... hmm. Seems to be a bit of a pattern there.

Yes but she's always playing second fiddle to somebody else. And that somebody is always Rogue.

Idunno I thought ninja kitty in this comic the threads about is cute

>At least this is a critique of the book and not getting mad at shit that didn't happe
Thanks. I won't lie and pretend like I read every Krakoa book but this one I did read and I absolutely loathed it because it brought out all the dirtiest, most unpleasant ideas possible about Krakoan life, hung a big fat sign on them so you'd know they were there, and then ultimately didn't do anything to address them. Which game me the feeling that Kurt is too weak-willed or meek to even try to do anything even after seeing things that should freeze your piss. It's so disappointing and grimy and weak and it could have been so much more.

Hero/Villain team-ups can be fun but where Krakoa lost me is I see the X-Men as straight up villains during it. That's not the usual dynamic with those kinds of stories and I don't like it because I feel it goes against the message of the X-Men.

That's cuz you're probably a homosexual

I disagree and I listed the villains I thought had arcs. I didn't mention Sinister, Shaw or Selene, because they didn't

You have anger issues. Also, I did read Thunderbolts

That's cuz you're probably a homosexual

I love you, Anon. And I believe that even you could one day be an hero.

Krakoa lacked conflict that it should have had. The X-men fighting with each over parliamentary debates would have been awesome.

Jean kinda did when she and Scott left to do X-Men stuff.

I do like we finally have people who stopped saying "They need to go back to superhero stuff" when there was the whole thing about the X-Men leaving Krakoa and living in NYC

I think part of the problem is that in the beginning of Way of X one could get the impression was going to be about the people willing to put the hard work in to deal with the issues of Krakoa. But then it turned into Kurt being completely OC though pointless handwringing and faffing about until he finally decided that the whole thing was morally, philosophically, and psychologically dead, at which point he just kinda stuck around to handwring and faff about. If you weren't going to have your book do anything about the shitty things it was about, then at least they could have had Kurt go "this shit is irredeemable and I refuse to be a part of it anymore," and bail. He and Stacy X could have packed up the Whorphanage and started a farm in Montana with 30 dumpster babies or something.

Because Sabretooth is the Ubermensch in the most sociopathic way possible. Krakoa represents stagnant, self-obsessed society of the Last Man and has nothing to offer him.

>with the notable exception of the Sabretooth and Exiles series which genuinely went for "Your island is shit, goodbye".
Unfortunately even that is pinned down by the inability of a title to affect anything. The story builds up Creed's war with Krakoa and the Exiles grudge with the nation, but ultimately they get sidetracked with Orchis and then Creed had to go fight Wolverine for a title event and the Exiles only get any kind of closure by chasing down Sabertooth, following the will of Krakoa again. The dissatisfaction from the lower class mutants gets a token mention on influencing the disillusion of the Quiet Council but even that gets distracted by an emergency.

The Quiet Council never has to face what they created, and despite his wallowing Magneto instantly drops any pretence of care about the Pit so he can go fight Orchis and think about Charles instead. If he's lucky most of them will be dead by the end of Sabertooth Wars and he'll only have to deal with Oya.

I'm thankful for Percy for bringing LaValle in and I know their friends, but it was painful to hear him reference his mini series as non-essential side-stories. I suspect there's truth to it from an office perspective, and LaValle just wrote what felt like one of the most important stories on his own violation, but I doubt there was ever a plan to tie it into the other titles.

Which sucks majorly because how do you not book end the era with Sabertooth condeming Krakoa's to face it's sins, when Krakoa kicked off with his unfair trial and imprisonment?
And now you have the "Kill No Man" rule going out the window but no one's around to go "is it weird that we're carrying out what we sentanced the lower-status Mutants for?" Or imagine if it was Sabertooth who pulled a populace movement to wipe out Orchis?

I concede all your points but I still enjoyed LaValle's writing there more than say Spurrier's awful shit in trying to explore Krakoa. As you said it sucks ass that he feels his stuff was just a side adventure because I think if he was allowed main title and was allowed agency he could have done a story that blew Krakoa right open, exposing all the hypocrisy and de-humanizing rethoric (de-mutantizing?). But his hands were tied from the start by Hickman's bizarre and contrived need to Sabretooth to be a very particular scapegoat and then tied again by having to adhere to all the big nonsense events that kept dragging everyone back to work for the Council again regardless of what they said in their own books.

Sabretooth crying crocodile tears wouldn’t have much impact. Sure, Krakoa was rules by hypocrisy but so what. Sabretooth went right back to being a guy massacring everyone, including mutants, because he just felt like butchering people for his personal delight, not really giving a shit about anythings else.

>>Well yes we know he's terrible, but he's making a good point and no one else is doing anything about it...
Which in a way was also the rationale for filling Krakoa's government with psychotic villains in the first place, many of whom Creed had either worked with or for in the recent past, so it would have worked well as a counterpoint.

Creed can be pretty clever depending on the writer. LaValle's whole angle on him was his skills as a CIA agent and it was fun seeing him connect with the Exiles to use them for his own ends and win over the Orchis prisoners.

Seeing him fight his own bloodlust long enough to do maximum damage to his enemies, and then finally let loose in the climax would make for good tension and pay off.

If we go by Marvel's own claims their median reader age is between 25 and 35 with younger and older demographics as outliers. If we post someone who is 30 who magically happened to decide to get into the X-Men when they were say 14 years old then their first X-Men comic would have been in 2010, right during Fraction's utopia era. not the absolute nadir of modern X-men runs but it's also really nothing special or noteworthy, and if this imaginary reader continued a few years down the line they'd get punched in the dick by a series of increasingly awful runs. So I really do think this may be a case that they literally have never experienced an era when the X-Men status quo wasn't just endlessly being kicked while they're down with no respect from any other characters and no hope for the future.

So I guess I can kinda see where the doomposting comes from in that regard.

People absolutely read older comics but there's always a chance that they will assume their first view of a character or team is the "correct" one and won't be able to appreciate a very different one. I'm not saying this doesn't happen. I've seen lots of young readers who love Claremont X-Men.

But I think some people look at the pre-Morrison comics and see them as dated and hokey, filled with cliche morals and boring social stuff, wordswordswordswords from Claremont and forever betwen the big epic event issues.

I am actually super curious what your thoughts are on those older comics, like 60's-80s. I'm an oldgay, I started on the Claremont stuff and I often feel like I'm one of the last people alive who likes that era.

>Claremont was pretty good but it's been awhile since I went back to it. You can tell people only think of the big things like the Phoenix or DoFP rather than all the goofy misadventures they'd get up to.
Big fan of them going clothes shopping and finding Jubilee while fighting a goofy team of Mutant-Busters (Ghostbusters parodies)

It'd be accurate to my experience at least. I didn't really get into comics until I was a teenager. Ironically it was in the ANAD era where I used to get called a middle aged white man for saying the replacement characters suck ass.

>where
Most places online. Cinemaphile generally pushed back on it from what I remember but Cinemaphilemblr was already a meme at the time and you'd have a few die hards defending them. My close circle wasn't like that but in larger spaces, it'd start fights if you complain about Captain Falcon or Whor.

>Most of the krakoa era people are 100% new to x-men, and mostly because they lean into the ethnostate / "this setting reflects my political beliefs" angle.
I could believe this too. I've seen too many posts where people are basically mask off and go "UwU wholesome" to a fascist's wetdream

The best way to use Mojo has always been to lampshade the bad tendencies of your current X-Men status quo. Claremont made fun of his own wordiness and messy storylines when he did the X-babies story. That's what Mojo should always be. Not some dramatic threat but a big shitpost about whatever going on that's worth mocking. And I can see so much that Mojo would mock about krakoa.

Hell, I would end that story with Mojo learning that this brand new epic project that everyone was so excited for at the start is now a giant flop and he grouchily demands they go back to the classics, and it's something like X-MEN TWO: BACK TO THE MANSION, feature movie.

>Krakoa didn't give a shit about her murder spree until it started drawing enough heat

But they were going after her from the start, because what she was doing was wrong and causing trouble. If they didn’t care they wouldn’t have sent iirc Wolverine after her until it was already a giant problem

Initially it was just okay that kid connected to nature is going bonkers, it’s kinda understandable if deranged, get her back before this gets bad but do it quietly because we’re a country now and we don’t need this trouble. Not a high priority when we’re dealing with Nimrod. Then it became oh frick she’s absolutely insane and she makes this look like she’s literally representing Krakoa officially with her actions shut it down now. And then they captured her and threw her in the pit for her crimes only for Krakoa itself thinking actually that’s rad what you did here’s a free get out of jail card.

In an instance where people are directly connected to nature and regularly witness and feel the destruction happening on a global scale by humanity I mean kinda? Just how much destruction are you expected to be okay with and do nothing? Humanity has literally eradicated entire species. In the past century there an incredible amount of animals that have gone extinct due to human actions.

She stabbed a convenience worker in the throat over a turtle dying that he had zero interaction with beyond selling a customer the plastic bag it ate. There’s saving the planet, and there’s murderous insanity, and it was very clear the kid was too focused on justifying her murderous impulses to ever truly be the planetary savior she believed she was

>beyond selling a customer the plastic bag it ate

And zero interest or empathy over the fact the animal had died

Being a cog in the ecological destruction machine doesn’t really relief you of the
collective guilt and responsibility. Especially when someone shows what your actions result in and you go “…so?”

>That clerk had more objective worth for the future of the planet than the turtle

Do they though, when basically all they do is directly is contribute to the overconsumption of resources and increased pollution?

To be fair, our ability to stop one is what is theory. If we were to discover a K-T event size asteroid tomorrow that was due to strike the Earth in, say, 6 months, what could we do to prevent its impact?

>without humans, the planet is defenseless against space rocks.

That’s all purely theory at this point. Meanwhile every day we pollute and bit by bit destroy the biodiversity that sustains the entire planet and help make life on Earth become more and more difficult by spreading microplastics, making the planet warmer with CO2 emissions, destroy natural habitats and waterways with mining, oil spills and damn building.

Her opinion is unimportant when she's presented as a crazy b***h

Turns out the evil living island is evil

I'm reminded of the wife of that American diplomat spy who killed a teenager in England in a road accident, immediately fled the country and the US refused to do anything about afterwards. Krakoa could actually work as a 2000ad style satire of the worst aspects of American foreign policy and rah-rah exceptionaism, but it would require a level of self-awareness that just wasn't there.

All countries do this. I was in Asia a few years back and some Romanian who worked for the embassy also fled after a hit and run.

The real thing about nature girl is she's a great example of how the X-Men should have stopped and asked themselves if maybe isolating a child/teen and indoctrinating her into seeing them as her parental figures for all intents and purposes before teaching by example that human lives lack value compared to mutant ideals was maybe a fricking mistake and a sign that they'd gone too far but instead they just blame the kid they made be like this instead of having any self awareness whatsoever.

Nature Girl was a brainwashed crazy b***h who ultimately was just following the example she was given in the end but the X-Men and the writers at the time both didn't want to talk about the fact that she was the monster they made.

Thing is, the X-men are still for all intents and purposes still Nature Girl's guardians. And all of this shit still went down on their watch. Hell, even if you want to absolve them of the responsibility of giving Curse the opportunity to corrupt Nature Girl, as well as the fact they did nothing but passively observe Nature Girl's increasing distress from the state of the world, the fact remains that she ran away from home twice to go murdering people, and the X-men as a whole failed to treat her or the situation with the level of seriousness they warranted until she was trying to destroy the planet.

And it's a running theme that terrible things keep happening to the X-kids because the X-men are so busy saving the world they have no time to properly guide or communicate with the next generations they claim to be doing everything for. And it's something that's gone on well before Krakoa, before you think it's yet another whine about that. There was Quentin Quire and his gang going on that school rampage, there was that mole Spider-Man was hired to search for in Wolverine's school among the neglected students, there was...all the messy, messy, messy drama of all the Academy X students, and shit, on Krakoa the children were explicitly outright left to fend for themselves after the X-men put in the minimal effort to jam their education in and then frick off to continue fricking and getting high, putting the kids in a dangerous position to get manipulated by Farouk. Hell, even on their mutant island paradise, there were STILL people who were very visibly upset and isolated and alone like that little toerag Curse and that spider clone of Gwen.

So, yeah. Thematically, the X-men have always had issues with failing in some manner to properly guide the next generations that they say are more important to the survival of the mutant race than anything else. And Nature Girl's no different in that regard.

Honestly, now that I think about it, Krakoa would work great as some dystopian TTRPG setting, like something out of World of Darkness.

And how many other animals has his indifference killed over the years?

Who knows. It probably has happened though. And that’s bad karma.

Should i be killed for it?

How many had yours?

Who knows. It probably has happened though. And that’s bad karma.

Should you be killed for it?

The turtle deserved to die from being weak enough a plastic bag kills it.

Plastic chokes are limited in power to what they were born with while turtles can use magic and weapons to surpass their current self?

Friendly reminder that Moira never even tried to unite the X-Men more with any of the non-mutant superheroes in any of her timelines.

Actually the canon for Hydra Cap is that he's a parallel Earth evil Cap that Red Skull/Kubic grabbed from another earth and the real Cap was trapped inside Kubic, the cosmic cube that walked like a girl

Also a retcon of course, originally they were totally gonna keep OG Steve as the Hydra one.

Iron Man is on multiple levels of dubious about identity so it doesn't matter.

Iron Man and Black Widow are the peak of Marvel losing the plot with characters that should be very simple and iconic. With characters like Spider-Man they have tried but their popularity makes retcons (mostly) bounce off and them returning to status quo. But with a second-stringer like Tony or Natasha, all that shit sticks to them like driftwood. It doesn't MATTER, not unless you for example try to read the Iron Man comics printed since 2008 in order. But it is dumb and pointless.

Yeah. People ask why Iron Man isn't more popular in comics after the massive boost he had in the movies and the answer is unfortunately simple. His comics have just been shit for almost the entirety of his MCU career and since. Fraction was the last great Iron Man writer and his run ended over a decade ago. Everything since has been an increasing level of hot garbage with retcon after retcon, death, new Tony, retcons again, the sixth time in 10 years Tony has to re-learn what it is to be a hero. I don't understand how such a simple, iconic concept is so fricking hard for people to comprehend without bringing in clones and mystery parents and secret brothers and retcon after retcon

I think the problem is what you said, that all these big guys with the possible exception of Fraction weren't interested in developing a nice stable status quo for Tony to work in. They all did big dramatic upheavals and then Tony had to deal with that for the rest of the run. We haven't had a normal Iron Man run where he gets any time to breathe since Fraction and that's only because Fraction stuck around for more than one arc. It's really frustrating, really, because 80s and 90s iron Man was great and had a solid if unexciting reader base.

Oh I fully understand this. Those writers you mentioned are all conditioned to think of each run as a big bombastic event that will throw everything about the character into chaos. Death, resurrection, new origin, radical status quo change, replacement, whatever the frick. And they also look at the previous guys who did that and try to top it. And there's never a point where you hit "normal". You never get stories that show how Tony lives with his current status quo, what effect it has on his decisions or life. What does it mean that he's dedicating himself to the environment side of megacorps now? We will never know because it's a big decision he comes to at the very end of a run and then a new writer takes over.

>and the Living Tribunal counted Krakoan resurrection as a true kind of resurrection, which was one of the several kinds (Green Door was another) that were eroding the concept of death so much that Death was dying.
That was blatantly a retcon introduced after thousands of comments about how Krakoan "resurrection" wasn't at all that. Like I remember after the big exposure of the Crucible stuff people were pretty freaked out by the idea that healthy people would suicide to create a powered clone of themselves. People were more accepting when it was just for people who got vaporized by an Orchis drone because that person was dead ANYWAY

You say that, but if not the Dominion than who? Surely not Nimrod.

Because the name was funny when introduced already. Looney Tunes is much older than X-Men.

X of Swords are a Apocalypse books also he will be back in a new series “heir of apocalypse”

He's also in Hickman's S.H.I.E.L.D but not significant enough to read JUST for him. But it is an interesting preview of where the character would go.

Exactly. With JLA Morrison's hands were tied by other books and he was stuck trying to use characters as best as possible. But there's no good reason why he would make his X-Men all about cinematic spectacle with little to no emotional depth. As I said earlier in this thread, Emma's character development happens off-panel before the first and second issues of the first arc. That's not the kind of writing I come to the X-men for.