I just realized he could not be actually charged with anything.
they could get him for tax evasion though.
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I just realized he could not be actually charged with anything. they could get him for tax evasion though.
Are you stupid? He literally kiled dozens of people. Get the f*ck outta here with your incel murder phantasies
He didn't kill anyone. Those people were begging to be put into the traps by their actions. It's a shame that all those sweet traps were ruined by those losers. As a criminal defense lawyer, I'm going to let you in on a Jigsaw secret that they don't want you to know about - it's called "fighting words" and living an unfulfilled life is basically the same as fighting words to Jigsaw. He would walk on any charges, no doubt. Hell, he might even be able to sue the people who ruined his traps, or at least sue their estates, for damages done to any traps. If I was the type of lawyer to sue people for property damage, I'd take the case.
Kidnapping isn't a crime
Kidnapping is definitely a crime anon
Maybe you should try abducting people and strapping them into machines that kill them if they don't horribly carve themselves up, see if the cops say something like, "well, technically..."
they had no proof he did that. he was just a guy watching TVs
IANAL but kidnapping seems like a very obvious one.
And I’d bet any half-decent prosecutor could get him for a lot of other crimes. But this is a troll post so w/e.
>I ANAL
Nobody cares what you do with your boyfriend, zoomer homosexual.
None of his so-called victims were kids, how do you plan on sticking him with kidnapping charges??
Probably get them to stick by going “he was the only person aware of what was happening to these people and didn’t notify/help them, and appeared to send them messages clearly outlining why he has done this to them”.
But I dunno, really could go either way.
But wouldn't he kidnap the agents that investigate him?
>Suppose I lead a man towards a sewer while trying to get him to overcome his drug addiction by making him associate that smell with drugs. He falls through the open manhole into the sewer. The fall breaks both of his legs, but I offer him a way to get out. He fails to get back to the surface and dies an excruciating death from sewer gas poisoning. Would that make me a murderer?
Yes.
god dammit not guilty!
No
Yes actually. It's at least involuntary manslaughter as they were only going towards the sewer because of you. If they could prove you knew the sewer contained poisonous gas, they could maybe even get you on murder.
Kidnapping? Assaulting and drugging people in a pig mask?
I tried putting myself in a Saw trap to finally turn my life around and gain a new appreciation for living. I locked myself in the bathroom and put the key inside a vat of acid. The room was slowly filling with homemade mustard gas. Then I realized I was moronic and I could just pour out the vat, so I did. Then I realized I was double moronic, because the acid melted through the floor and brought the key with it. I can't fit through the hole and I swear to God my cat looked up at me and meow'd as if to say "Game Over." I am typing this on my phone and the mustRd fadjf id jnmm
Are you ok anon?
Are the people who get mad at this meme and list all the crimes he could be punished for just going along with the bit or genuinely moronic
They're missing the point too, because he wouldn't even go to jail if found guilty; the dude has cancer and he's old. Any judge with integrity would take that into consideration.
No one gives a frick that he has cancer. Tons of people have terminal cancer and don't kidnap and torture others for moronic fake morality. Any judge would probably just toss him in gen pop and let him get raped to death.
Anon, his wife was killed by a junkie and even that guy got a chance. They would cave to public pressure and let him off with some kind of ankle monitor on a suspended sentence. The sentence hearing itself would have a billion character witnesses from when he was a civil engineer building afdordable housing in disenfanchised neighborhoods. The guy was a community hero who made some mistakes.
You're kidding, right? You're only pretending to be moronic? Right?
The justice system isn't a stage to play out the revenge fantasy of every homosexual who has a bone to pick with the defendant. It's a delicately balanced system that gives every man a shot at a fair trial. If Jigsaw is found guilty (a good lawyer could pull this off, but he would need to be really good) then Jigsaw would get a sentence which is harsh but fair.
In his case, the remaining measure of his life is expected to be so short that a reasonable sentence would have to be scaled in proportion; so we're talking a few months at most per each death. He's pretty low-risk so a minimum security prison would be fine; his derangement could be talked out with a prison therapist and the parole board would take that into consideration. He'd have enough access to the media to do a virtual PR tour from his cell. It's a sure thing that he'd be out of the slammer before the next Christmas, along with a book deal that will explode onto the Times' bestseller list.
And then the whole fricking thing gets overturned anyway when it comes out that the Seth Baxter thing wasn't even his doing and his entire case was a mistrial.
>Your honour, the “victims” were threatening my client by living lifestyles he didn’t approve of.
>the remaining measure of his life is expected to be so short that a reasonable sentence would have to be scaled in proportion
Why? Who cares? If you did some horrifying stuff that would give you a total of 300 years in prison, who cares? If you did this at 18 years old, you'd life your whole life in prison and die and rot there anyway, so what's the difference between 100 years and 300 years, might as well just attribute the punishment if it's not going to matter.
>courtroom trap activates
>smugjigC.jpg
>you placed dozens innocent people into horrific contraptions and situations for sadistic reasons
>however because of the cancer, I’m willing to significantly lighten your sentence.
Wow that judge really has integrity.
The only thing provable there is thar he has cancer.
Courts don’t require someone to be caught completely red handed in-the-act to be found guilty. All the other evidence combined with no other potential suspects is what would put him away forever.
>Courts don’t require someone to be caught completely red handed in-the-act to be found guilty.
Never made this claim. Sorry sweetie, but you ineffectual stawman will never hold up to a jury.
>B-BUT THE MOUNTAINS OF EVIDENCE!!!
Go ahead and present it. You know, those Rittenhouse DAs thought they had mountains of evidence,too, yet they didn't get a single thing to stick. It's time to stop sniffing your own farts and focus on the law. Kramer walks.
>calling people “sweetie” in an attempt to patronise.
I feel bad for anyone who’s seen you say that in public.
>It's ok to commit crimes if you're old and have cancer
it's especially moronic because none of the 'charges' that the mouthbreathers in these threads come up with would even stick. literally no understanding of the law.
Every charge would stick.
Its a meme, but a stupid meme.
Kidnapping and murder. Forcing people into a deadly situation is literally a crime. vxdv8w
Nice catcha moron
God tests us every day, Jigsaw just has the courtesy to lay out what the rules are. Also he has a funny puppet. It's impossible to hate the man.
But he gave them a choice
>I didn't kill anyone. I just planned their murder for others to do...
Racketeering.
Obviously sentenced to death and no one give a frick if he dies of cancer or from the electric chair just get that moron incoherent vilain out of my view
For what crime? Technically he didn't kill anyone.
>Technically
No one in the age of courtrooms would use the word "technical" when it comes to murder
Weird takes ITT.
Of course jigsaw would be found guilty. Drugging and kidnapping people is illegal enough, putting people into those traps is LITERALLY torture, not a single judge is going to go “Well akchually the defendant chose to lose their arm when escaping, Jigsaw did nothing wrong”. That’s not how the legal system works, everyone would know these contraptions don’t make themselves and people don’t just fall asleep and wake up inside them on their own.
No lawyer would be able save him, not even the “a really expensive good celebrity lawyer”, if Jigsaw was a real person he’d be perceived like Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy. Between being found at the crime scene and having his voice recordings, prints on all the machinery etc etc he’d never see daylight again. People have been found guilty (successfully) with way less evidence.
He's a counter revolutionary and a wrecker. Sentence: to the wall.
But Wan and Whannell don't ask: What was Jigsaw's tax policy?
A flat 90% on all income.
Any charge against Kramer would be dropped due to 'fruit of the poisionous tree' after Danny Glover unlawfully entered his property.
t. circuit clerk judge for over 30 years
Hello your honor. I have a charge for burgalary in Washington for stealing some food from a store I was banned from. It's been about 8 or 9 years so the statute of limitations is over right? Will I have to go to court there to clear up the warrant, would they arrest me if a cop ran my name until I went to court?
Well, it depends. See: https://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.04.080
3 words: Building code violations.
Those are the only charges that would actually stick
wouldnt stick if he knew just a basic amount about real estate shell companies which lets face it he probably does
At least the judge won't bar you from ever being a laywer ever again.
This. A few simple throwaway LLCs will shield him personally from liability with respect to the BCVs.
He didn't kill anyone. They killed themselves. It was their choice to die.
Didn't he kidnap a bunch of people and blackmailed them into doing a bunch of things in order to save themselves? He basically coerced them into hurting and killing themselves.
You are fricking moron. He would get at least 100 years of jail time.
I was the new york district attorney for 5 years. What you're saying now is heresay and would immediately get thrown out in court.
There are 6 documentary movies videotapping all of these crimes.
You can also see them. They are called Saw 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6.
It's more than evidence to lock him up
>Hollywood movies are evidence
Come on now
"Your honor, we've got proof of his murders. Its all held within these blockbuster films that were seen by millions of people in theater, with accredited actors, producers, special effects and stunt teams. I'm such a great lawyer."
You realize that this is the equivalent of using a marvel movie as proof that aliens exist? You will be fined for wasting the court's time and probably get your license revoked, kid.
Not possible. Mr. Kramer has never given anyone permission to film on his property so any alleged footage would've been obtain unlawfully. Again, 'fruit of the poisonous tree'. In fact, you're opening yourself up to a counter-suit from Kramer for any damages done in obtaining said unlawful footage.
Sounds like a question to me. Where's your evidence to substantiate your charges? False allegations against orderly citizens do not hold up well in front of a jury and especially not in front of the bar association.
If they could jail Manson they could jail this moron. Keeping people held against their will and subjected to booby traps IS in fact illegal and enough to land you in prison. Frick off with your homosexual matpat style excuses
Mansion was a CIA asset from the beginning. Kraner is an innocent civilian until proven otherwise in a court of law by a jury of his peers. And from what I'm seeing in this thread, that aint happening.
Okay homosexual
Ad hominems are a sure way to get your dismissed with prejudice from a state judge. Its your call, cowboy.
I accept your concession and look forward to your dropping all charges against my client.
It's RICO.
Yes, seriously. There is a way to convict him, convoluted though it may sound. John Kramer is guilty of racketeering.
He effectively heads the criminal enterprise "Jigsaw", and if any members or affiliates of Jigsaw can be demonstrated to have committed a combined total of two predicate activities (such as kidnapping or distribution of controlled substances), then all affiliates who knowingly facilitated these actions for their goals are guilty of the felony of racketeering.
>not stopping someone from drugging you
The victims have been explicitly shown to try to stop people from drugging them, however. If your legal theory held and was applied universally, then there could be no such thing as completed crimes, only attempted crimes, since the completion would imply the victim's consent was obtained. Nonetheless, we DO charge people with completed kidnapping, murder, drugging, etc.
And regardless, Jigsaw members unambiguously used controlled substances to commit some of these kidnappings or traps. The predicates are there clear as day.
John Kramer is a racketeer.
what about the THC he smoked for his cancer? can they nail him on that?
This thread is a great study in how monkey brains work.
People think because the victims are placed in complicated contraptions that require self-harm to escape, and just because jigsaw never exposes himself, no charges would stick.
Imagine if he’d dug a hole, drugged someone and placed them in there. Then spoke into an intercom telling them to “put the lotion in the basket” or they’ll starve down there.
The police arrive, find him
In the other room and arrest him, like they almost did in Saw 1. They go through all his equipment, find his closet of weird cloaks, chains, voice
Modulators etc…
Guy will 100% be found guilty of kidnapping and torture.
So obvious this guy hasn't been to law school
Don’t need to go to law school to see someone would be found guilty if caught.
I’ll admit that maybe the American legal system has enough loopholes that I don’t know about, but even an angry mob would work this out correctly.
Clearly you do, because you don't see why your case would immediately get dismissed. I was an attorney for 7 years in Idaho, the judge would probably throw the book right at your face to be honest if you brought these terrible arguments to court.
kek yep
You guys must be high on dunning kruger right now if you actually think someone get get this guy off Scott free.
>anon learns the term dunning druger from Cinemaphile within the last few weeks and thinks hes smart for using it
the irony is palpable. post a pic of your law degree
JigC? Yeah, I'm thinking he rocks.
Every single piece of '''evidence''' presented in this thread would be thrown out due to Danny Glovers unlawful entry of Mr Kramer's property. So tell me, how did you expect to convict Mr Kramer again? Convictions require evidence.
>man wakes up in barred, concrete room
>police doll shows up on a flickering tv screen outside
>"I want play a game. You spend your life trapping people and avoiding criminal charges but now you're the trapped one and have to avoid the criminally charged wandering this place. If you can survive for 25 years the doors will open and you will walk free. Life or die. Make your choice."
> build traps with the intent to harm
> Ben from lost kidnaps people and puts them in his room with trap
Whats not to understand?
Does JigShe also have legal immunity?
you are mentally ill.
Really, if Jigsaw was ever caught he would obviously be let go because of the good samaritan clause. Yes his methods may have been a tad overbearing but at the end of the day he was just trying to help.
If John couldn't be charged with anything, so couldn't be Hoffman.
>He slaughter a good dozen of police officers and a few FBI agents
That was self defence of course, against corrupt law servants, and he did us a service by killing them.
>He blackmailed Amanda into "getting emotional" and killing Jeff's wife
He did what any good law-abiding citizen would do and tried to expose Amanda for killing an unborn child, but didn't account for her being such a stupid fricking b***h to do what he told her to. He didn't think she would actually kill her.
>He tricked Strahm into killing himself
What do you mean? Strahm sacrificed himself so that Hoffman could live by pushing him into the glass coffin. The walls killed him, moron. We should put the walls in jail. Or better yet, put the walls into a saw trap.
>oh btw Mr Officer, your kid was locked in this safe this whole time lol
>Let funni "safe" place
anons are mad that they wouldnt have the will to hold onto life. listlessly have they wandered through this world without a care. but now your will must be tested. let's play a game.
I love how the Saw fans on Cinemaphile have just completely lost their Goddamn minds.
i havent seen a single saw movie. i just love these threads and dabbing on these wannabe lawyers who think they could put jiggy behind bars with their weak ass arguments
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Literally did nothing wrong (or illegal). Amazing how the armchair lawyers don't understand that.
you might be on to something because nobody on this board has ever though of this
Why is it JigC?
He rocks.
You could charge Jiggy and even bring him to trial. But he'll have key character witnesses like Amanda and Hoffman who'll testify he was only trying to help and made them better people with his tests and he'd inevitably be found innocent
>tax evasion
He wrote off that on charitable organisations. He bought those properties as part of the Urban Renewal Group. They explain this in the flashbacks and we meet the lawyer who was his partner in the fourth movie
Jiggy was a saint. And he became a martyr for all of us
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>charges and trials
Completely irrelevant. He attacked an officer with a knife and was a c**t. He will die in police custody from blunt force trauma after having his geriatric skull slammed against the holding cell concrete floor. Internal police investigation will say he just tripped and that will be the end of that.
Dude, the entire police force is dead by the end of the movies
>WHO WANTS TO LIVE FOREVEEEEEEEEEEER WHO DARES LOVE FOREVER!
Sorry, is that JigC?
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>though
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He can only be judged by a jury of his peers... And who could claim to be equal to Jigsaw? The court cannot be in session.
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It's JigC
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This movie series has inspired hundreds of copycats. The alarming aspect is that you don't hear about these cases since they never go to court, as our current legal system can't handle them. This is because the perpetrators technically don't commit any crimes. If anyone should go to jail, it's the publishers who allowed such a dangerous movie to be released in the first place.
my idea is to make my ringtone the sound of the "walk now" indicator some places have. At one of those busy as frick intersections where theres hundreds of people waiting to cross, atleast 30% of them are looking down at their phones. Phone gets a call, "walk now sound" starts, and ill take just one step onto the road before "realizing". Eventually, someone looking at their phone not paying attention will hear the noise, see my foot moving, assume its safe and walk into traffic
r8 my idea
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