He was actually more tragic than funny. >He shares with Asha how some thieves destroyed his home and trusts her enough to show her his secret room. >He is really disappointed when she inmediately asks him to grant his grandpa's wish. >He's scared of the foreign source of magic he witness at night (from star). >He actually listens to his wife when shes begs him not to use his evil book but ends up using it when his citizens start rebelling.
And then he goes full evil under the influence of the book and starts going crazy. >He threatens his wife and kind of pushes her in the final battle >He seems to brainwash one of the seven not-dwarves >He uses his magic more agressively >And he ends up trapped in his staff. Nobody ever looks for a cure because the book told them not to bother.
>>He actually listens to his wife when shes begs him not to use his evil book but ends up using it when his citizens start rebelling.
Mind you the rebellion is all about how the people "just want more wishes", and Magnífico gets literally nothing out of protecting wishes it is literally an altruistic impulse of his.
wait, so is the movie presenting him as a benign autocrat like early Andrew Ryan, and his citizenry as greedy beggars demanding everything of him, or is it presenting him as a tyrant hoarding magic for himself and the people as a wholesome socialist surge looking to seize the means of production?
I feel like they wanted it to be the latter but do to general incompetence and lack of self awareness on their part, made it the former. I mean really, how do you justify that shit? The whole thing could be taken down by a “be careful what you wish for speech”.
it sounds like they could have pursued him being a hypocrite as a valid avenue of criticism, but that that would have required them to actually write a script
5 months ago
Anonymous
That would have been better, as it is it just feels like first world problems the movie.
I think it's less shared universe, i.e. not an origin story, but more like a movie filled with references to other movies. for example the Peter Pan character is not Peter Pan but just a reference to him
It starts with a traditional book opening with the story of Magnifico. He has a tragic past that pushes him to study magic and build a kingdom where everybody is safe.
>He has a tragic past that pushes him to study magic and build a kingdom where everybody is safe.
Hehe yeah... like that's ever gonna happen... WHAT A LOAD O-
>What about it was so bad? Can you give a summary/review?
I hated the queen the most, but only because I skipped all the singing animals parts.
>The movie starts with a bit of Magnifico's backstory narrated by Asha.
>She then goes to greet the newcomers (people come from all over the world to Rosas). She seems to work as a guide but later she's having a job interview to work directly for the king. Song: Welcome to Rosas. The song basically explains how the wish granting ceremony works.
>After that she goes to meet her friends at the castle. The not-Grumpy bluntly says she wants to work with the king to get her family's wishes granted faster. He also insults not-Sleepy.
>The queen tells her about the king and not to expect to see the wishes. She also tells her she's rooting for her.
>Asha meets the king. She tells her how she lost her father at 12 and he shares his tragic past. He thinks he can trust her and shows her his secret room. Song: At all costs. You can see people's wishes.
>She finds her grandpa's wish, tells the king he's 100 years old and asks him to grant his wish that night. Magnifico really looks hurt there.
>Then there's that scene where she says he should return the wishes and he shouts at her, we've all seen it.
>The ceremony starts and he takes two wishes from two new citizens and grants a woman's wish. Then Magnifico fires Asha.
>At home, Asha discuss what happened with her family and his grandpa gets angry when she tries to tell him what his wish was. She runs away from home, through the city and goes to the forest. Song: This wish. When she looks at her neighbours she remembers the wishes she saw at the secret room.
>She ends up on the tree where she used to sit with her father and makes a wish.
>That summons the star and the whole kingdom can feel its coming. Magnifico freaks out when he sees even the wishes are affected.
>The star starts throwing its dust all around the forest making the animals and plants talk and become inteligent. Song: I'm a star. Everybody comes from the stars and all that bullshit.
>Asha asks the star for help so they can free all the wishes.
>The king is checking all his books trying to find out what on Earth is happening but they are useless. The queen asks him to calm down and he states that everything he does is to make sure the tragedy from his past never happens again.
>He almost uses the evil book but the queen convinces him not to.
>He almost uses the evil book but the queen convinces him not to.
I don’t see why the evil book is so readily available. Just destroy it as it’s clearly a dangerous thing to leave around.
A more interesting story would have had the book manipulating Asha whilst acting like her friend
>A more interesting story would have had the book manipulating Asha whilst acting like her friend
That's the plot of one of the Care Bears movies.
Asha actually asks him why he has such a dangerous book. He says that a king must be prepared for anything.
>Literally "Why do you have this?" "Because... uhm... shut up!"
Christ... At least say it was a heirloom, or, and I'm going to do what the writers should have done and put more than literally two seconds of thought into this, have him say that he's unable to destroy it, so he's keeping it around so that it doesn't fall into the wrong hands. Bam. Solves a plot hole and actually foreshadows the narcissistic shift later.
>She ends up on the tree where she used to sit with her father and makes a wish.
>That summons the star and the whole kingdom can feel its coming. Magnifico freaks out when he sees even the wishes are affected.
>The star starts throwing its dust all around the forest making the animals and plants talk and become inteligent. Song: I'm a star. Everybody comes from the stars and all that bullshit.
>Asha asks the star for help so they can free all the wishes.
>The king is checking all his books trying to find out what on Earth is happening but they are useless. The queen asks him to calm down and he states that everything he does is to make sure the tragedy from his past never happens again.
>He almost uses the evil book but the queen convinces him not to.
>He tells her Rosas and himself are lucky to have her.
>Asha is back in the city with the star. She goes to the castle and interrogates her best-friend to find out a secret way into the king's studyroom. Short chiken song. The seven not-dwarves find out about the star since all the chicken in the castle are singing and dancing.
>Asha convinces them to help her and goes to steal her family's wishes while the others distract the king during his speech.
>He tells her Rosas and himself are lucky to have her.
>Asha is back in the city with the star. She goes to the castle and interrogates her best-friend to find out a secret way into the king's studyroom. Short chiken song. The seven not-dwarves find out about the star since all the chicken in the castle are singing and dancing.
>Asha convinces them to help her and goes to steal her family's wishes while the others distract the king during his speech.
>While the king is explaining to his citizens how dangerous magic really is, the star is throwing random spells inside the castle burning the study room.
>The citizens starts questioning the kings decisions and he gets more angry with each question. Then they start asking for another wish ceremony and he's furious.
>When they confirm that's all they care about he says "Fine, whoever finds the traitor gets his wish granted. But whoever lets him down will never see his wish granted".
>He leaves and starts going up the stairs. Song: This is the thanks I get?. You get to see his narcissistic side in this. Meanwhile, Asha and star have found the wish from the grandpa and witness how the king grows more and more frustated thinking about his ungrateful citizens until he ends up grabbing the evil book and goes to another secret room to use it.
>Back at Asha's home, she gives her grandpa his wish and he absorbes it. The king shows up looking for the star. When he's denied he crushes the mom's wish (we're never shown what it is), which kinda hurts her. The family and the star escape the king and his guards.
>While the king is explaining to his citizens how dangerous magic really is, the star is throwing random spells inside the castle burning the study room.
>The citizens starts questioning the kings decisions and he gets more angry with each question. Then they start asking for another wish ceremony and he's furious.
>When they confirm that's all they care about he says "Fine, whoever finds the traitor gets his wish granted. But whoever lets him down will never see his wish granted".
>He leaves and starts going up the stairs. Song: This is the thanks I get?. You get to see his narcissistic side in this. Meanwhile, Asha and star have found the wish from the grandpa and witness how the king grows more and more frustated thinking about his ungrateful citizens until he ends up grabbing the evil book and goes to another secret room to use it.
>Back at Asha's home, she gives her grandpa his wish and he absorbes it. The king shows up looking for the star. When he's denied he crushes the mom's wish (we're never shown what it is), which kinda hurts her. The family and the star escape the king and his guards.
>The king is going insane under the book's influence and his paranoia. He even points his staff menacingly towards his wife. He absorbs three wishes from the people who questioned him during his speech.
>The king gives a new speech and scares the people with his new magic while he laughs. He also thanks not-Sleepy for betraying his friends and grants his wish (becoming a knight). The star throws its magic to a rat so it can go to the queen to convince her to help Asha.
>The evil magic seems to brainwash not-Sleepy and the other six not-dwarves have to go into hiding.
>Asha finds them and explains everything. Song: Knowing what we know now. The queen joins them and they think of a plan to free all the wishes.
>not-Sleepy betrays his friends out of selfishly wanting his own wish granted, and immediately suffers a karmic punishment for his action
Holy frick, an actually interesting twist in the movie! And one that kind of proves Magnifico right that people will even stab their friends in their back in this town because the desire of wishes corrupts them so much
>Turns out if you use the evil book just once, you're not worth saving. At least that's what the evil book says...
>The queen priority list is: Break Magnifico's staff first, bind his magic and break the hold of the book on him third. The book doesn't tell them how to stop its evil, duh.
>In the forest, we find out Magnifico is actually not-Sleepy and Asha is saved by the magic critters. She runs to the castle.
>The wishes seem to be finally free, but since Magnifico never left the castle, he traps the star and turns the wishes to stone.
>He also captures all citizens and goes full crazy. He pushes the queen a bit and pulls Asha to him to throw her around for a while.
>Asha starts singing a reprise of This Wish while the king tortures her. Everybody joins and start shining. The star escapes and the staff absorbs Magnifico.
>What about it was so bad? Can you give a summary/review?
I hated the queen the most, but only because I skipped all the singing animals parts.
>The movie starts with a bit of Magnifico's backstory narrated by Asha.
>She then goes to greet the newcomers (people come from all over the world to Rosas). She seems to work as a guide but later she's having a job interview to work directly for the king. Song: Welcome to Rosas. The song basically explains how the wish granting ceremony works.
>After that she goes to meet her friends at the castle. The not-Grumpy bluntly says she wants to work with the king to get her family's wishes granted faster. He also insults not-Sleepy.
>The queen tells her about the king and not to expect to see the wishes. She also tells her she's rooting for her.
>Asha meets the king. She tells her how she lost her father at 12 and he shares his tragic past. He thinks he can trust her and shows her his secret room. Song: At all costs. You can see people's wishes.
>She finds her grandpa's wish, tells the king he's 100 years old and asks him to grant his wish that night. Magnifico really looks hurt there.
>Then there's that scene where she says he should return the wishes and he shouts at her, we've all seen it.
>The ceremony starts and he takes two wishes from two new citizens and grants a woman's wish. Then Magnifico fires Asha.
>At home, Asha discuss what happened with her family and his grandpa gets angry when she tries to tell him what his wish was. She runs away from home, through the city and goes to the forest. Song: This wish. When she looks at her neighbours she remembers the wishes she saw at the secret room.
>The king keeps absorbing wishes. The queen goes to him and tells him that Asha's been spotted in the forest. He seemingly goes to hunt her.
>Asha is actually in the forest with the star. She's given a magic stick and almost manages to kill herself with it by making an apple grow and almost fall on her.
>The king appears on a horse and the star leaves while Asha distracts him.
>Five not-dwarves find the wishes and try to open the top of the tower. Instead of using the magical star, they pull ropes...
>Not-Doc and the queen have "magic oil" and use it to read the evil book without falling under its influence.
>Turns out if you use the evil book just once, you're not worth saving. At least that's what the evil book says...
>The queen priority list is: Break Magnifico's staff first, bind his magic and break the hold of the book on him third. The book doesn't tell them how to stop its evil, duh.
>In the forest, we find out Magnifico is actually not-Sleepy and Asha is saved by the magic critters. She runs to the castle.
>The wishes seem to be finally free, but since Magnifico never left the castle, he traps the star and turns the wishes to stone.
>He also captures all citizens and goes full crazy. He pushes the queen a bit and pulls Asha to him to throw her around for a while.
>Asha starts singing a reprise of This Wish while the king tortures her. Everybody joins and start shining. The star escapes and the staff absorbs Magnifico.
>What about it was so bad? Can you give a summary/review?
I hated the queen the most, but only because I skipped all the singing animals parts.
>The movie starts with a bit of Magnifico's backstory narrated by Asha.
>She then goes to greet the newcomers (people come from all over the world to Rosas). She seems to work as a guide but later she's having a job interview to work directly for the king. Song: Welcome to Rosas. The song basically explains how the wish granting ceremony works.
>After that she goes to meet her friends at the castle. The not-Grumpy bluntly says she wants to work with the king to get her family's wishes granted faster. He also insults not-Sleepy.
>The queen tells her about the king and not to expect to see the wishes. She also tells her she's rooting for her.
>Asha meets the king. She tells her how she lost her father at 12 and he shares his tragic past. He thinks he can trust her and shows her his secret room. Song: At all costs. You can see people's wishes.
>She finds her grandpa's wish, tells the king he's 100 years old and asks him to grant his wish that night. Magnifico really looks hurt there.
>Then there's that scene where she says he should return the wishes and he shouts at her, we've all seen it.
>The ceremony starts and he takes two wishes from two new citizens and grants a woman's wish. Then Magnifico fires Asha.
>At home, Asha discuss what happened with her family and his grandpa gets angry when she tries to tell him what his wish was. She runs away from home, through the city and goes to the forest. Song: This wish. When she looks at her neighbours she remembers the wishes she saw at the secret room.
>Everybody gets their wish back even those who got theirs crushed.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>What about it was so bad? Can you give a summary/review?
I hated the queen the most, but only because I skipped all the singing animals parts.
>The movie starts with a bit of Magnifico's backstory narrated by Asha.
>She then goes to greet the newcomers (people come from all over the world to Rosas). She seems to work as a guide but later she's having a job interview to work directly for the king. Song: Welcome to Rosas. The song basically explains how the wish granting ceremony works.
>After that she goes to meet her friends at the castle. The not-Grumpy bluntly says she wants to work with the king to get her family's wishes granted faster. He also insults not-Sleepy.
>The queen tells her about the king and not to expect to see the wishes. She also tells her she's rooting for her.
>Asha meets the king. She tells her how she lost her father at 12 and he shares his tragic past. He thinks he can trust her and shows her his secret room. Song: At all costs. You can see people's wishes.
>She finds her grandpa's wish, tells the king he's 100 years old and asks him to grant his wish that night. Magnifico really looks hurt there.
>Then there's that scene where she says he should return the wishes and he shouts at her, we've all seen it.
>The ceremony starts and he takes two wishes from two new citizens and grants a woman's wish. Then Magnifico fires Asha.
>At home, Asha discuss what happened with her family and his grandpa gets angry when she tries to tell him what his wish was. She runs away from home, through the city and goes to the forest. Song: This wish. When she looks at her neighbours she remembers the wishes she saw at the secret room.
>Not-Sleepy apologizes.
>Magnifico is trapped in the staff and the queen orders to hang the little piece on a wall in the dungeon.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>What about it was so bad? Can you give a summary/review?
I hated the queen the most, but only because I skipped all the singing animals parts.
>The movie starts with a bit of Magnifico's backstory narrated by Asha.
>She then goes to greet the newcomers (people come from all over the world to Rosas). She seems to work as a guide but later she's having a job interview to work directly for the king. Song: Welcome to Rosas. The song basically explains how the wish granting ceremony works.
>After that she goes to meet her friends at the castle. The not-Grumpy bluntly says she wants to work with the king to get her family's wishes granted faster. He also insults not-Sleepy.
>The queen tells her about the king and not to expect to see the wishes. She also tells her she's rooting for her.
>Asha meets the king. She tells her how she lost her father at 12 and he shares his tragic past. He thinks he can trust her and shows her his secret room. Song: At all costs. You can see people's wishes.
>She finds her grandpa's wish, tells the king he's 100 years old and asks him to grant his wish that night. Magnifico really looks hurt there.
>Then there's that scene where she says he should return the wishes and he shouts at her, we've all seen it.
>The ceremony starts and he takes two wishes from two new citizens and grants a woman's wish. Then Magnifico fires Asha.
>At home, Asha discuss what happened with her family and his grandpa gets angry when she tries to tell him what his wish was. She runs away from home, through the city and goes to the forest. Song: This wish. When she looks at her neighbours she remembers the wishes she saw at the secret room.
That's pretty much it. The star give a magic wand to Asha and not-Dopey tells her to be their fairy Godmother. The end.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Really would have been better with an evil power couple but we can't have evil women
6 months ago
Anonymous
I wish I could forget about this. Why would they publish it?
6 months ago
Anonymous
I want what these two have.
6 months ago
Anonymous
A pet cat?
6 months ago
Anonymous
I was never allowed to have one growing up.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>... but steps up to the king when she sees him for what he really is
Someone who was dealing with trauma and fell victim to literal brainwashing magic after trying to do what they thought was best?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Not-Doc and the queen have "magic oil" and use it to read the evil book without falling under its influence.
And the queen didn't once think to offer this magic oil to her husband because??? The king somehow didn't know about this magic oil despite being the one who primarily studies this kind of magic because?????
The more you think about the movie, the more you hate it. That takes talent, good job, Disney.
6 months ago
Awanama
>wife immediately gives him up after he gets possessed and then torments him for eternity
women
Her husband soul died when the evil book take over him
6 months ago
Anonymous
Liberals don’t believe in souls tho, so what the actual explanation?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>I like my wishes with some pulp.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I want the sexy villain couple who has cats! The song Magnifico and Asha sing was so clearly meant to be sung by the King and queen to each other.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Hmmm? She is evil at the end who the frick would be happy for her husband to be trapped in a mirror forever? Yes only an evil b***h
5 months ago
Anonymous
It's one of the scenarios where the audience can see that a character is evil but the writers can't, so it's never addressed.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>wife immediately gives him up after he gets possessed and then torments him for eternity
women
6 months ago
Anonymous
And he clearly loves her and listens to her before he goes evil.
But when they are planning a coup she sings that the only thing he loves more than himself is his crown. b***h, your husband is possesed, he's not himself right now. At least try to get help from the magic star in front of you that does literal miracles for free.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Magnifico is supposed to be a 'return to the classic Disney villain formula >He's actually a pretty reasonable guy only made evil because black magic suddenly abruptly changed his character >Get condemned for eternity rather than cured
It's so simple to make a hatable villain. How???! How did they screw it up this bad?!?
Honestly, the queen should have been the twist villain. Who acts this smug over their spouse going mad and being locked into a fate worse than death? What human can claim to love someone and not be devastated that something like this happened?!
6 months ago
Anonymous
This seems like an absurdly cruel fate for a villain that didn't really do nearly as much bad shit as Disney villains normally do.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, he literally told the girl boss she can’t have unlimited wishes granted or they’d be abused
This might be the most evil thing a Disney villain has ever done
6 months ago
Anonymous
He got pretty evil by the end and the book said there was no turning back. So he's basically fricked as an evil possessed guy forever. Can't really redeem a zombie.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Just wish it fixed.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>He got pretty evil by the end and the book said there was no turning back. So he's basically fricked as an evil possessed guy forever. Can't really redeem a zombie.
Yeah, and an evil book would never lie, no sir.
6 months ago
Anonymous
That's the evil book?
The one with the star motif? Like the star that grants desires with magic instead of letting people achieve things through hard work?
6 months ago
Anonymous
It has an ouroboros too.
6 months ago
Anonymous
An ouroboros? Like Disney trying to tie their latest movie to their beginnings?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, that's too brilliant for them. They were just trying to sneak a reference to Maleficent.
6 months ago
Anonymous
"I wish the evil book would lose dominion over my husband!"
There, solved.
6 months ago
Anonymous
This
Just wish it fixed.
The power of wishing was already able to stop the black magic once before, and Assha is now a fairy godmother with the power to grant wishes. Why doesn't the queen just wish him better? I mean, besides the fact that it would require her to give even the slightest shit about her husband.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Why couldn't his wife wish to fix him?
6 months ago
Anonymous
The Satan book said not to.
6 months ago
Anonymous
This [...] The power of wishing was already able to stop the black magic once before, and Assha is now a fairy godmother with the power to grant wishes. Why doesn't the queen just wish him better? I mean, besides the fact that it would require her to give even the slightest shit about her husband.
"I wish the evil book would lose dominion over my husband!"
There, solved.
Just wish it fixed.
He got pretty evil by the end and the book said there was no turning back. So he's basically fricked as an evil possessed guy forever. Can't really redeem a zombie.
Wasn't the dude already an butthole before the dark magic stuff? Wasn't he screaming at the people of Rosas, calling everyone ungrateful, putting a ban on magic so only he could use it, and telling Asha he was going to screw over her family forever? I don't think you can wish away your natural douchieness.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't think you can wish away your natural douchieness.
Why not?
6 months ago
Anonymous
"I wish you were nicer" bam, nicer.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't think you can wish away your natural douchieness.
Why not?
Isn't that a dangerous wish? Isn't that basically more possession? Why would stars in the sky grant it or why would Asha the Fairy Godmother grant it?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Are you saying there should be someone who will arbitrate which wishes are worth granting and which ones aren't?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Isn't that the explicit job Asha is given at the end? With the implied difference being that she doesn't keep wishes, but she'll go around and grant people's good wishes who need help getting them granted (like Cinderella or Geppetto)?
6 months ago
Anonymous
I think it really shows one of the major problems of the movie. The villains core motivations and plans aren't really refuted, instead all they want is simply putting a new leader in the seat.
Disney is clearly going for an activism message with this, but viewing the movie from that angle makes it feel very cynical. Like the dozens of revolutions of the past where the tyranical leaders were just replaced with charismatic tyranical leaders.
This is such a weird movie, I don't get why Disney decided to make this their 100 year movie, or to try and put so much importance on it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I don't have the page handy, but a part of the book specifically says Asha becomes an activist. Considering what Disney is now, it's incredibly cynical.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I don't have the page handy, but a part of the book specifically says Asha becomes an activist. Considering what Disney is now, it's incredibly cynical.
Got it. The art book was storytimed.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/140223477/#140227316
6 months ago
Anonymous
She saw people's ridiculous wishes like the guy climbing a mountain or the b***h flying like a dumb bird and said "Hell yeah, I should fight for them"?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yes
6 months ago
Anonymous
Ah Activsts, perhaps my least favorite kind of people. Sometimes they’re actually fighting for something but often times it seems like they’re “Fighting” just to fight. Not to mention they’re annoying in your face c**ts.
6 months ago
Anonymous
They fight because they want too much shit that makes no sense when put to scrutiny. Makes sense that the antagonist is a guy that tries to filter the bullshit with logic and reasoning.
6 months ago
Anonymous
They fight out of the same greed Magnifico was talking about.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Oh wow it just occurred to me that all live Action adaptation fairies are black now, except for maybe Maleficent
6 months ago
Anonymous
Because the idiot writers made it so that Assha's whole moral argument was that it's wrong for the king to not grant basically every wish. If she can't be bothered to be consistent about that, then what was the whole point of the conflict?
6 months ago
Anonymous
It sounds like he was pretty chill through most of the movie and only reacted that way, song included, when he was dealing with a rebellion on his hands. Considering he's created a kingdom that doesn't require people to pay rent and he grants them free wishes, I think he has a fair point calling his citizens ungrateful.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You're obviously a shill, but okay.
He's clearly a traumatized man, he makes references to his tragic past at least twice. And what did he do when he lost everything, he built a kingdom from scratch. He welcomes people from all over the world and grants one wish every month (sometimes more). His island is not a prison, if you don't like his rules you can leave.
But people stay and have happy lives there.
So when someone goes to him and asks for more, that fricks with his head. He was actually hurt when Asha asked him to grant her grandpa's wish in their first meeting. And he was furious when his citizens asked for yet another ceremony when they just had one the day before. Yeah, he thinks they're ungrateful, no shit.
He puts a ban on magic because it's fricking dangerous. The star almost burned the castle and killed Asha with its random magic. Magnifico is right about the danger.
And he goes after Asha's family after SHE STEALS FROM HIM and he's already corrupted by the book.
But, yeah, okay, he's a douche. He deserves eternal punishment. Well done, Disney.
6 months ago
Anonymous
but anon >gibsmedat
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Talking about a movie makes you a shill
Why are Cinemaphileners brains so fricking fried, holy shit.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You're posting here. Why don't you tell us why you're so moronic, anon?
6 months ago
Anonymous
He put a ban on magic because it's extremely dangerous.
Hell, Asha nearly killing herself multiple times when she is given access to magic perfectly illustrates this point.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You're obviously a shill, but okay.
He's clearly a traumatized man, he makes references to his tragic past at least twice. And what did he do when he lost everything, he built a kingdom from scratch. He welcomes people from all over the world and grants one wish every month (sometimes more). His island is not a prison, if you don't like his rules you can leave.
But people stay and have happy lives there.
So when someone goes to him and asks for more, that fricks with his head. He was actually hurt when Asha asked him to grant her grandpa's wish in their first meeting. And he was furious when his citizens asked for yet another ceremony when they just had one the day before. Yeah, he thinks they're ungrateful, no shit.
He puts a ban on magic because it's fricking dangerous. The star almost burned the castle and killed Asha with its random magic. Magnifico is right about the danger.
And he goes after Asha's family after SHE STEALS FROM HIM and he's already corrupted by the book.
But, yeah, okay, he's a douche. He deserves eternal punishment. Well done, Disney.
>He put a ban on magic because it's extremely dangerous.
Dude literally made a rule for thee not for me.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, and he's completely justified, too.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, I hate to tell you but when a government bans citizens from doing something, most of the time the government can still do it. You think Australia's government gave up its guns and military?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>irradiated reactor coolant is dangerous, it's going to buried 2000ft deep in the desert >oh so you're banning "me" from it but you guys can just do whatever huh, huh???!
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Cops have guns >I don't have guns >Government can print money >I cannot print money
It happens more often than you think.
[...] >government says blowing people up with drone strikes is illegal >government drone strikes terrorist hideout
Wtf so unfair, civilians should be allowed to drone strike people too /s
Shady shit aside (Such as black market shit or underground dealings), shouldn't that be closer to regulation? "Guns are banned, unless you're working in the military" or "Guns are banned, unless you have a license". Magnifico just wanted a flat out ban for anyone to use magic except for him and it wasn't for safety; the instant he saw other magic floating around the kingdom he took it as a threat and/or a challenge. He was just a paranoid, power-hungry motherfricker.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Not true. At the beginning, after the second song, Magnifico says that he's like to see someone wish to be "the best apprentice a mighty sorcerer'sever had". He wanted to share his magic knowledge until Asha made it clear she wanted to work for him to get her family's wishes granted.
6 months ago
Anonymous
With how paranoid Magnifico was to the point of claiming the kingdom has a traitor just because he saw glowing lights in the sky, I kind of doubt he was actually going to teach someone magic. Came across to me like they would just be his lackey. I heavily question why the frick he would show off the wish chamber to someone he didn't officially hire yet, especially when the Queen makes a big deal claiming, "Do NOT ask to see the wishes!" minutes prior to that. But that just seems like bad writing.
I mean, the movie is full of bad writing and convenient moments, but I don't think Magnifico was this cool dude that was totally in the right that Cinemaphile keeps parroting. I think he's just very poorly written, but the possibilities are there. Like, a couple of minor scene changes that could be done in half a year before the film's released would've fixed a lot.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It wasn't just light. People could FEEL the magic from the star AND Magnifico saw how the wishes reacted to it. Hard to blame him for freaking out.
He showed Asha his secret room because he though he connected with her. They both shared what they had lost in their pasts and he though they had bonded. Plus, it's shown he listens to his wife and Amaya was rooting for Asha.
When he talks about his past, he claims he lost everything to GREEDY thieves, so when he hears people being greedy, that messes with his head. I think he's a cool dude until someone revives his trauma.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Cops have guns >I don't have guns >Government can print money >I cannot print money
It happens more often than you think.
6 months ago
Anonymous
[...] >government says blowing people up with drone strikes is illegal >government drone strikes terrorist hideout
Wtf so unfair, civilians should be allowed to drone strike people too /s
Dude if you're gonna samegay while making the same point twice, you might want to wait longer than a minute so it's not obvious you had the auto-submit button on after you typed your second post.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Anon...
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yes? What?
6 months ago
Anonymous
The posts are 1 second apart.
I don't know anyone who shitposts THAT fast.
6 months ago
Anonymous
[...]
Dude if you're gonna samegay while making the same point twice, you might want to wait longer than a minute so it's not obvious you had the auto-submit button on after you typed your second post.
Not that anon, or either of those, but the last two numbers are seconds. They were posted within one second of each other. They could still be a samegay, but still, that's not a cooldown-wait.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You moron, those posts were 1 second apart, not 1 minute.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, I hate to tell you but when a government bans citizens from doing something, most of the time the government can still do it. You think Australia's government gave up its guns and military?
>government says blowing people up with drone strikes is illegal >government drone strikes terrorist hideout
Wtf so unfair, civilians should be allowed to drone strike people too /s
6 months ago
Anonymous
He has historically taken a bunch of aprentices
He *wishes* someone would show up to truly just learn from him
6 months ago
Anonymous
If being an butthole is enough to justify this fate, then the not-Grumpy kid can get thrown in there with him.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Raising your voice and having emotions is not a crime.
He didnt unilaterally ban Magic he in fact has a long history of aprentices, he just heavily regulates its distrbution because it is dangerous, as the Darkhold shows
He didnt decide to screw with her family, he just made it clear that the wish he was never gonna grant is never going to be granted
Douche is rude but not immoral
6 months ago
Anonymous
>believing the evil book is totally not lying about there being no way to escape it's grasp
6 months ago
Anonymous
The Book also said the staff can't be broken, then the end of it just broke off from a fall.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The queen was the worst part.
6 months ago
Anonymous
She wasn't a ride or die b***h
Or, in other words, he should have married someone else. Another person would have broken the curse on her husband instead of condemning him to eternal imprisonment.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>this is the thanks you deserve
Holy shit, is this an actual line in the movie?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, from his loving wife.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think Disney has ever unintentionally created such an abominable character. She's actually vile.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Namaari and the trolls from frozen
6 months ago
Anonymous
The trolls were negligent buttholes, but at least they didn't make quips while condemning someone they 'loved' to an eternity of imprisonment. Can't comment on Namaari because, like the majority of people, I didn't bother watching Raya.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>"Oh, Amaya, thank goodness! You see what they've done to me?"
>"Well, you do love mirrors"
>"That is not funny. Get me out of here!"
>"No".
6 months ago
Anonymous
What human responds like this? Amaya isn't a character, she's the worst kind of plot device.
6 months ago
Anonymous
She has zero empathy for the main she claimed to love for years.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Husband gets cursed >Show Evil Spellbook to baker for some reason >Baker says nothing she can do >Give up. Trap Husband in mirror forever.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You forgot the best part.
>Read in the evil spellbook that "no metal can break the staff" and give up thinking it's unbreakable. >Find the broken staff at the end of the final fight.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I'm starting to think we should've asked someone more qualified than the fricking teenager who only bakes cookies.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Your husband that you loved for years gets trapped in a fricking inanimate object >Quip about it then throw him in the basement
AI could've written more human characters than this
6 months ago
Anonymous
Turns out that she really was the villain
6 months ago
Anonymous
i'm calling it now, there's going to be a ton of really fricked-up femdom porn based off of this scene.
6 months ago
Anonymous
He looks like he's on the verge of suicide if he were able to.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Who the frick wrote this?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Jennifer Lee
6 months ago
Anonymous
imagine having a character be confronted by the fact that their loving and loyal spouse has been possessed and instead of moving hell and high water to save them, they just go "welp guess we have to kill them then" and THEN after damning that spouse to a fate worse than death they just make a smug comment with a shit-eating grin on their face, abandon their spouse in their prison, and assumes their spouse's role in life without so much as a blink.
In any other movie, that character would be a despicable villain. In a movie made by modern disney, she's a yasss kween hero.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Yay! Long live queen Amaya! Hurray!
6 months ago
Anonymous
Prior to that, she saw Magnifico say to Asha, "I will NEVER grant your family's wishes!". She was seeing the cracks form even then, it's just weird that they're supposed to have been married for decades and she makes this claim that he never loved anyone and acts like an abused wife when that was never visible on-screen. She has this throwaway line in a song where she goes "I've seen so many bad things", but that doesn't tell me shit.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>I will never make your wishes come true, stranger person >OMG he's so evil and twisted
I mean... goddamn. How entitled are his citizens?
6 months ago
Anonymous
She wasn't 100% a stranger, she was applying to be his apprentice. And he only said that out of spite because she questioned him, not because he genuinely believed he was protecting Rosas from evil wishes. He doesn't even know what Asha's mothers wish is, but threw it away regardless.
6 months ago
Anonymous
6 months ago
Anonymous
Fixed
6 months ago
Anonymous
It would be cool if Amaya goes on to become the evil queen in Snow White but I doubt Jennifer Lee would allow it to go in that direction.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You know this is probably an ending they had when they were an evil duo. He gets trapped in the mirror, she picks him up and they flee Rosas. She eventually becomes Evil Queen somewhere else.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Why the frick couldn't they have kept this
Every scrapped idea I hear about this movie is better than what we actually got
6 months ago
Anonymous
I really think that Zegler Snow White was meant to directly connect with Wish and that the 7 not-dwarfs in Zegler Snow White are meant to be live action versions of Asha's moronic friend group.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Or Maleficent. She looks like the kind of person that would curse a baby.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You know this is probably an ending they had when they were an evil duo. He gets trapped in the mirror, she picks him up and they flee Rosas. She eventually becomes Evil Queen somewhere else.
Stop making up movies I'd rather see but will never be able to.
6 months ago
Anonymous
crown circle, neck circle, same eyebrows, similar eyelashes. I'm declaring this canon
6 months ago
Anonymous
So she married another king and also got him killed or worse. Wow.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It’s a retelling of the story where the petty, spiteful, greedy b***h is the hero and the victor.
I must put this out there: Ben Shapiro’s Snow White.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I actually want a story where the Evil Queen and the Magic Mirror were a husband/wife duo that got fricked up by magic, but still stay together, wrecking other kingdoms
6 months ago
Anonymous
That’s a little weird, but understandable. But then how will Snow White be the step-child, or am I getting fairy tales confused?
6 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think it really comes up in Disney film. In the original tale, the late King was Snow White's dad and Evil Queen is her step-mom.
If we wanted to fit this in to this fanfic. She marries the King of that land for the title of Queen and then offs him discretely, because she still loves her husband in the Magic Mirror.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>They just run around scamming royalty indefinitely
Based
6 months ago
Anonymous
>This b***h has my name
6 months ago
Anonymous
lol Imagine being named Grimhilde
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Grimhilde
I wish the better character had my name instead of the one that sucks
6 months ago
Anonymous
So she turned herself hideous just to poison someone and eventually get lightning struck off a cliff, crushed by a boulder and eaten by vultures
6 months ago
Anonymous
You know, considering they were originally both gonna be evil?
6 months ago
Anonymous
According to Snow White's original promotional material, the queen sealed her demon familiar in the mirror
6 months ago
Anonymous
Considering she was the original villain, I can see this being the initial influence to the design maybe.
But it is more than a stretch to say those eyebrows are the same.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I know it’s a stretch, but I don’t care. Also Magnifico doesn’t really look like the Magic Mirror either, so they can be off-model together.
I do still 100% think her being Evil Queen was an idea somewhere tho. It’s too perfect.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Assha gets a position as the king's assistant and gets shown his inner keep as a show of extreme trust >immediately tries to abuse the position by using it to grant favors to her family >literally gets into an argument with the king and further betrays his trust >the king rightly punishes her for this >somehow this makes him in the wrong
Yeah, I'm not buying it. If her family doesn't like it, just leave and go make new wishes somewhere else. He's not imprisoning them there.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, wish powers only exist in Rosas.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Disney makes a movie trying to celebrate wishes >"Wishes actually only can happen in this one area" >"Wishes aren't powerful enough to defeat evil books"
God what a fricking disaster, it's like Disney hates whimsy.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>wish powers only exist in Rosas.
Which makes zero sense the more you think about it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
So? Why don't they go and fulfill their wishes on their own rather than demanding that the king do it for them? Obviously, he's not going to grant their wishes anymore since Asha pissed him off.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I dunno, but look, Magnifico freed himself from the mirror and is now on ebay!
6 months ago
Anonymous
Bet they sell more Magnifico's plushies than Asha's or Star's
6 months ago
Anonymous
No the Star will sell a lot. Thing was designed to be a plush first, character second.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Magnifico was designed to be a plush
5 months ago
Anonymous
Magnificute!
6 months ago
Anonymous
Magnifico was designed to be a plush
My Little Mirror Demon can't be this CUTE!
6 months ago
Anonymous
the king makes them forget their wishes
6 months ago
Anonymous
Only the wishes they gave to him. Go make new wishes. People are not limited to only one wish, they make new ones all the time, especially if they've given up or forgotten about a previous wish.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It's wild that the intended message deadass is >when a system won't give you privledge over others just shape change into the victim class you wanted privledge over
and it's a movie intended to make children internalize that
If the villain was evil and went "sure lol, frick them proles" and granted her grandfathers wish, movie over. All that "tyrrany" and "hoarding wishes" "we have nothing to lose but our wishchains" shit goes out the window for the viewer protagonist if they had gotten what they wanted through personal connections.
6 months ago
Anonymous
b***h saw her chance to seize the throne and took it. Hyped up how awful Magnifico is to stop people from backing down from carrying out her coup for her.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Really, it would had made much more sense for her to be revealed as the villain at that point. She saw that Asha had potential to be disruptive power, and pushed her to the King hoping something would happen to enable her grab more power. "But this worked out better than I even dared to wish for!"
6 months ago
Anonymous
Why the frick did they not make him more evil if they wanted him to end up this way?
This would have kept me up at night as a child.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>wife immediately gives him up after he gets possessed and then torments him for eternity
women
This seems like an absurdly cruel fate for a villain that didn't really do nearly as much bad shit as Disney villains normally do.
Why the frick did they not make him more evil if they wanted him to end up this way?
This would have kept me up at night as a child.
this is a villian's origin story
he's going to escape his prison tricking some other dipshit like asha in the future and get his revenge on his kingdom
6 months ago
Anonymous
queen kinda hot tho
6 months ago
Anonymous
She doesn't look all that distraught over losing her incredibly loving husband. In fact she looks like she's been waiting for the chance to be rid of him all along.
6 months ago
Anonymous
it would have been a bold choice to end it with a tone and lighting reveal of her as evil as everyone is cheering her. Like ending the movie with him trapped in the mirror and then it showing that she was actually an early version of maleficent or whatever. Unfortunately that'd be way too interesting for a wet fart like this.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Too cruel for a villian ending, considering he was influenced by the book a lot
5 months ago
Anonymous
The wife is a complete psycho and most probably this is meant to be seen as cool or 'empowering'.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The truth was staring us in the face the whole time, and we didn't even know.
When did he shave though?
6 months ago
Anonymous
He didn't. That's just his Vtuber avatar
>Magnifico actually looks normal in the mirror >This implies the dramaturgy mask he has in Snow White is just an avatar he puts on with motion capture and everything
I...is Magnifico... vtubing...?
6 months ago
Anonymous
He didn't.
His face is the only thing visible because the rest is covered up by his hair.
out if you use the evil book just once, you're not worth saving. At least that's what the evil book says...
Getting biblical with this shit. You can pinpoint where it all reeks of rewrites. Magnifico was originally supposed to be redeemed at the end or something
>Turns out if you use the evil book just once, you're not worth saving. At least that's what the evil book says...
I believe the evil book was just lying about it and there is actually a way to save the person and reverting them back to good.
How do they know about the magical oil? How come the King doesn't? Why do they assume an esille book is telling the truth? What kind of message is "totally trust evil magical items"?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Why trust the satan book
Because satan is their master. Wallow in shallow desires fulfilled through no effort, live in hedonism with endless wants.
Stray further and further away from nirvana.
>Not-Doc and the queen have "magic oil" and use it to read the evil book without falling under its influence.
And the queen didn't once think to offer this magic oil to her husband because??? The king somehow didn't know about this magic oil despite being the one who primarily studies this kind of magic because?????
I think they’re baiting desperate shipgays like me. The song “I Will Protect You” sounds romantic as frick. Like a romantic duet between Asha and Magnifico.
It's meant to start the Disney cinematic universe connecting all Disney movies together. At the end Asha gets a wand and cape and becomes THE Fairy Godmother
>What's all this shit I hear about Wish trying really hard to nostalgia-bait people with references to old disney animated movies?
It's just as you said. It's shit.
The references are:
- The seven not-dwarves from Rachel Zegler's SnowWhite.
- Asha wearing the fairy Godmother's cowl and getting her wand at the end.
- The goat talking about Zootopia.
- Magnifico ending in a mirror. The Disney guys say this is the origin of the magic mirror from SnowWhite's witch.
- A guy dressed as Peter Pan wanting to build a plane with a girl who wants to fly.
>Lived in Rosas for 50 years later >King calls me up to grant my wish. >Excited to see what I wished for. >Wish just creates some British person next to me.
I can see how it as an idea for a movie scribbled down on a notepad could be an intriguing notion, but then they just wiped their ass with it and went 'there, that's enough for you fricking cretins, right? You all have no taste so you'll lick this shit up off the floor if I ask you to.' and then their fanboys start licking the floor tiles before it's even put down for them.
How do we feel about Wish not having The Rescuers, Black Cauldron, Three Cabs in the credits with the rest of the films and writing them out of the Disney canon?
I feel there’s plenty of movie to complain about before it without crying over a shitty cheap self-congratulatory credit sequence.
Besides, the ACTUAL 100 year celebration animation Once Upon A Studio DID include those same “characters written out of canon”.
I do think them trying to make credits in chronological order but intentionally skipping a very select number of films for seemingly no reason is a valid criticism and indicate of the faux-homage nature of this film
Yes, my point that they will have to retcon it to make wish a viable franchise.
That or double down, and try to retcon Magnifico to have been always evil to the core.
They should just go all the way with it and remaster the old movies on Disney+
Not rereleases, just change the two movies by specifically reanimating the Mirror and Fairy Godmother
This sounds like Asha antagonizes the king until he uses an evil magic book and is corrupted, at which point everyone in his kingdom decides to just abandon him. What a tragedy.
Nope, the King is absolutely the villain. This isn't a "not every wish should be granted" scenario, this is a "only I can make the correct decisions, everybody else is wrong" scenario. This is literally a king keeping people from making their own informed choice.
Jesus Christ
What the frick are kids even supposed to take away from this?
the "divine right of kings" is bullshit. Especially when he isn't necessary in the process of making wishes. He literally took all the wishes, hoarded them, and forces people to go through him for a chance at a wish.
People could have just not come to his place then. Everyone knows what happens when you give the king your wish, so if they didn't like it they are free to leave.
>only I can make the correct decisions, everybody else is wrong" scenario
Isn't that literally exactly how the movie ends, but with Asha having this power instead? >and forces people to go through him for a chance at a wish.
He literally fricks off to a deserted island and people pursue him there to get their wish granted. They aren't forced to do anything, they choose to hand their wishes over rather than try it themselves.
>This is literally a king keeping people from making their own informed choice.
Well yeah. He's the king. Historically that has been what they've done.
This just makes the movie about "Royalty bad" and then still gives the power to the queen for whatever reason.
>only I can make the correct decisions, everybody else is wrong" scenario
Isn't that literally exactly how the movie ends, but with Asha having this power instead? >and forces people to go through him for a chance at a wish.
He literally fricks off to a deserted island and people pursue him there to get their wish granted. They aren't forced to do anything, they choose to hand their wishes over rather than try it themselves.
Yep, asha gets a magical wish granting wand and goes off to fulfill good wishes, which wishes are good is up to her alone.
Become an inspiring musician.
Thats it, he could have just taken lessons, but he decided the faustian deal was the way to go here.
The King loves the wish by the way, he just doesnt feel like its specific enough, its basically white guy wishing for a podcast
Mind you, the movie establishes you can make more wishes, it was always allowed
The clímax of the movie is entirely about how "oh wait, I can make another wish" and they all wish really hard at Star.
They just never did because until then life under Magnífico was too damned cozy ti ever want for anything else.
Star Boy x Asha would have sold this movie to every zoomer and gen alpha girl out there. Disney is so fricking moronic to abandon this concept and replace him with a mario mascot. Everyone who wants a plush star is always going to choose the Mario version over the Disney version.
Too much, man, too much. You know when commie writers try to write "an evil villain" and they end up writing either a normal guy or a hero? That's the movie.
>Sure, it has lots of problems and feels half baked - but that Disney magic is powerful stuff. Fans of Disney animation will find it fun, largely thanks to great performances by Chris Pine & Ariana DeBose. "This Is The Thanks I Get?!" is a great song.
This is a fresh review
So the moral of the story >Women ain't shit but holes and tricks >A patrician must always remember plebeians are reactionary creatures with no moral agency and beneath anger or runs the risk of being brought low by them
and magnifico's fall was feeling anger after overestimating the "protagonist" instead of dispassionately refusing her brazen and selfish request.
>meanwhile Maleficent literally curses an infant because she didn't get invited to a party and medieval fey are petty little shit >gets two whole movies trying to retcon and redeem her character >Cruella skins newborn puppies for fashion >gets a movie explaining that it's justified because Dalmatians dropkicked her mother over the cliff
Was the animation any good? Or like the staging of the musical scenes?
I listened to the audio of the movie and wasn't impressed but I'm wondering if the visuals help sell it.
>I listened to the audio of the movie and wasn't impressed but I'm wondering if the visuals help sell it.
In my opinion, they don't. Mayyybe with the 'Welcome to Rosas' song, a bit. But that's it. The "knowing what I know now" scene is hilarious, it's like a training montage about how they're planning the coup and when the song in over, not-Happy asks Asha: "Do you have a plan?".
WTF was the stupid song about then!? They got distrated playing with the star or what?
No. The visuals for the songs are extremely unimaginative and lacklustre, which is such a step back from their last couple musical films that it actually hurts the soul a little bit. Like
>I listened to the audio of the movie and wasn't impressed but I'm wondering if the visuals help sell it.
In my opinion, they don't. Mayyybe with the 'Welcome to Rosas' song, a bit. But that's it. The "knowing what I know now" scene is hilarious, it's like a training montage about how they're planning the coup and when the song in over, not-Happy asks Asha: "Do you have a plan?".
WTF was the stupid song about then!? They got distrated playing with the star or what?
said, 'Welcome to Rosas' is maaaaybe the only exception to that, but even then the visuals are super lacklustre compared to the intro songs of movies like Encanto, Frozen, or Tangled.
>selfish greedy thieves
Something studios like Disney would tell you are too few and far between as they CHARGE YOU $25 FOR POPCORN
The worst part is Magnifico is one of the best Disney villains I’ve seen in awhile. He’s got the tragic backstory, he’s front and center frick random twist villains and he takes it too far.
If only he were in a better movie against protagonists with a noble goal
*he has a reasonable cause to take it too far. Unlike that guy who blew up the museum and killed his student. What a mistake he made. why wasn’t the brother the twist villain in that one? Would’ve been better
I had completely forgotten about that. Yeah, that would have been a better twist if they changed the story a bit.
Robert Callaghan
6 months ago
Anonymous
Nah, frick that. He’s now Mr. Thatwashismistake because his plan was so stupid
6 months ago
Anonymous
I mean overall it wasn’t a terrible plan considering what he wanted to do. Him faking his death in a way that very much risked killing innocent people, his students, and most of all the target of his revenge? That’s the main issue with him. Well that and bad writing but that’s a common issue.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Wait, he faked his death like the brother should’ve done? Then he’s just a superfluous character in this story that exists just so the brother can stay a dead hero.
It's like you can see the rewrites during the movie. It's a mess and it makes you hate the good guys and feel bad about the villain.
said you can see the rewrites and they should have made an effort to follow through with their intentions. They should've either pushed his narcissism and selfishness more in the beginning or pull the redemption shit they did with that grandma from Encanto. Hell, you can do a lot of subtle dystopia/dictatorial things if you really want people to see him as a Scar in Mufasa's clothing. Either way, shit or get off the pot.
>Asha looks like the nu blue fairy from Pinocchio >Magnifico gets the fate of mirror man
Don’t fricking tell me they’re going to try a deep lore for Disney.
They are clearly building up to a Disney cinematic universe, with the ultimate goal being an avengers style princess teamup. I think Elsa, Moana, Rapunzel and Ariel would make a good team, with Aurora acting as the brains of the operation and team leader.
Get ready, they are doing it whether you want it or not. Also, I just realized Tiana will probably be the leader of the team, because she's black and Disney worships black people like gods.
>They are clearly building up to a Disney cinematic universe
But they already had that
They’ve already established Tiana is the 2nd in command after Cinderella
Tbf she's not a bad choice >Runs a business, showing leadership and management skills >Street smart and didn't grow up in the naive isolation of other Disney Princesses
This needs to be summarised >Gaston somehow traps King Triton in a fish tank and wants to steal his trident to become ruler of land and sea >Triton challenges him to go against champions of his choosing >Gaston uses the power of the Magic Mirror to summon Ariel and the four other princesses there >everyone is the same as usual except for Snow White who is an unhinged psychopath with an axe that the Magic Mirror towers in fear of when she says "so we meet again..." >Gaston drains the water from the tank to put the princesses on a timer to find some items in the magic castle for him in return for Triton's life >Ariel and Moana go to find the Magic Carpet in an ocean area >they go to a pirate ship where the captain is Iago (?!?) and they ride off on Carpet to escape after beating all of his pirates in hand to hand combat and blowing the ship up >meanwhile, Snow White has made a giant suit of armor which breaks immediately >Rapunzel, Tiana and Snow White go through the woods where they meet Flower from Bambi >they all get chased by wolves until Snow White remembers she can talk to animals >they get the Sundrop Flower from Tangle >they all meet up in a maze, which Ariel uses sing to escape from >Gaston then is waiting at the end of the maze with Dragon Maleficent, who has a broken wing >the princesses heal the wing, and so Dragon Maleficent pulls a face turn to side with the princesses and wrecks Gaston with fire >the princesses escape thanks to Snow White swinging her axe around to clear away the thorns and Maleficent keeping Gaston trapped in a crumbling room >Triton, who has no water at this point, sends him back to the ocean and he teleports back again in a giant bubble to say good job >Magic Mirror then tells the Princess that the castle is now theirs, and they each have a room especially made just for them >the five of them all move in to live together >Tiana does nothing the whole movie but go "damn, Snow White, you so crazy"
They hate Kingdom Hearts but a good Kingdom Hearts movie could revitalize the dying Disney brand to zoomies and gen alpha kids. They would need to outsource all production to a Japanese studio and not let any of the woke suit morons touch it though.
I rtaher take shitty boylove shonen ai crap that mostly involves cuddling and calling someone his "best friend" to the point even Helen Keller would see what is going on, over the shit they did with Wish right now.
frick Disney, Wish has managed one thing no other movie did so far: Make me loath it more than Pocahontas.
If Nomura isn't directly involved it will worsen relations between Square and Disney. But Nomura is attached to too many projects all the time to oversee an overseas movie.
>Magnifico actually looks normal in the mirror >This implies the dramaturgy mask he has in Snow White is just an avatar he puts on with motion capture and everything
I...is Magnifico... vtubing...?
>I'd rather be here than in that Hell >The best of the trash is a tough sell... >Aaron Swartz perhaps, if I may delve... >Found it he did, but he killed himself.
Iger is the one responsible for all of "Chapek's mistakes" in the first place. All of these woke bombs releasing now were greenlit and overseen by Iger initially.
She's untouchable, they can't fire woke zealots because they know they will get hit with sexual assault allegations and the mob will accuse them of sexism.
Nobody from Disney will get fired. They will all go down with the rapidly sinking ship.
The wildcard is if they frick up the hulu deal or they lose board power. If that happens, everythings on the table.
Including this:
>Iger comes back to Disney like an avenging angel, vowing to fix Chapek's mistakes >just makes things EVEN worse instead
I don't think the movie is as morally bankrupt as anons say, but I do find it incredibly boring and dull.
I think morally confusing is right how I feel, which is absolutely not where you expect disney to be, but it's as much of how bad the villan's motivations and path is set up as anything else..
Yeah. There’s another thread discussing deep lore and Kirby was mentioned. What do you think? I remember a video about butterflies being a motif and how it’s one of the first things you see in the first game.
yeah Kirby lore gets pretty nuts especially if you've played all the games and know the full context.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The average plot line for a single Kirby game is already fricking nuts. I swear, you’d have to be schizophrenic and autistic to understand the full scope of the lore.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I'd say it's easier to understand then kingdom hearts at the very least. everything is cannon
6 months ago
Anonymous
>yeah Kirby lore gets pretty nuts especially if you've played all the games and know the full context.
In squeak squad, without context, you chase someone who stole your cake to the ends of the earth(pop star) and unleash a horrible evil from a chest only to beat it's ass for no particular reason. You've had plenty of cake on the way. Kirby just won't stop chasing that one cake.
He was so fricking irritating in the trailer that I’m now reeling in over how much Stuart is debasing himself further even after a literal shit role. Just be that guy on American Dad and enjoy semi-retirement, how hard is that?
that was not Patrick Stewart.
That was Alan Turdyk, the guy who among other things voiced Turbo in Wreck it Ralph. Doing a Patrick Stewart imitation by using a voice he uses for Clayface in that Harley quinn show.
doesn't make the goat any better, but I am at least trying to defend Stewart here a bit.
Also, am I the only one who thought the goat was some baby donkey at first when seeing pictures of him? Like, I did not see any goat horns
The pirate from Dodgeball kek. I'll give him this: he does do a good Patrick Stewart impression.
that was not Patrick Stewart.
That was Alan Turdyk, the guy who among other things voiced Turbo in Wreck it Ralph. Doing a Patrick Stewart imitation by using a voice he uses for Clayface in that Harley quinn show.
doesn't make the goat any better, but I am at least trying to defend Stewart here a bit.
Also, am I the only one who thought the goat was some baby donkey at first when seeing pictures of him? Like, I did not see any goat horns
He was so fricking irritating in the trailer that I’m now reeling in over how much Stuart is debasing himself further even after a literal shit role. Just be that guy on American Dad and enjoy semi-retirement, how hard is that?
I don't know if anyone eve rheard of it here, but like ten years ago or so, Team Starkid -a college musical group famous for the Harry Potter fan comedy musicals- made a little show called Twisted.
Twisted was basically Disney's Aladdin getting the "Wicked" treatment, following how Grand Vizier Jafar wants to save "the magic kingdom" of Agrabah but in doing so has to deal with the egoistical Aladdin, a batsit crazy Genie and Prince Achmed of the kingdom of Picksar almost starting a war with Agrabah for having gotten assaulted by a tiger.
The show starts of with a little number called "Dream a little harder" in which the citizens of Agrabah are shown to be essentially lazy bums who believe that if they just "dream a little harder" (or wish it hard enough) they will get rid one day of Jafar -who they see as the source of all their problems despite actually being a decent politician the Sultan just won't listen to- the show actually poking fun at the concept with lines like "Ifyou are sure of your intention, some magic intervention, will give you the edge that you need" or "if you are good and you are attractive, no need to be proactive"
I get the feeling Wish is just that song done in earnest by some trustfund baby
I dunno if this is it or maybe i misheard but after the singing animals song (since they can all talk now) the deer says to a bear “thanks for not eating me” and the bear responds to the deer something like “no problem, Bambi”
>Fantasyland in the sky? How about NEVERLAND? >The perfect nanny for your horrible children? POPPINg this one! >True love, how sweet! So much for true love!
this is real dialogue in the movie.
Watching now. Anon undersold how jarring Magnifico is. The way his character is paced causes moments that were intended as "The mask is slipping" to come off as totally jarring 180s in his character to the point I genuinely can't tell if I'm even supposed to sympathize with this backstory.
Nusney sucks, stick with the 30's and 40's theatrical releases when they required the very best writers and artists while pushing the limits of technology of the time.
i'm guessing Wish is finally the movie where they stopped even bothering to have the pretense of 'Disney' being a brand associated with class and style? Even if the 'class and style' was always pretty fake and pretend, at least it did give like The Princess And The Frog way more status and at the end of the day as long as the studio is pretending to give a shit and try, the end product is always going to have a sprinkle of magic in it, no matter how muffled that sprinkle might be by layers and layers of sweaty fat folds of shitty business practices, but Wish looks like a fake Disney movie made by a third party studio that would either be lambasted for being cheap and terrible or would be a secret success, but to see it with the Disney label was really surprising because it just looks like absolute dog shit
>The goat sidekick is named Valentino
Wonder how many kids too young to use the internet are going to be introduced to a demonic pimp while looking up pictures of a Donkey ripoff.
the first that every ethnicity and nationality exist in this one little island in a time period and setting that shouldn't have any of those
second, her best friend being a cripple and asian with it having no importance to the plot at all.(seriously, a cripple in a setting based on wishes even though it is never even being mentioned?)
It is set up as a cosmopolitan area. Everyone knows they can get wishes so they come from all over the world.
That being said, everyone speaking the same language with no accents is laughable (if that happens).
I suppose Rosa has magic dirt... not as a racism thing, just as a 'step foot on the ground, speak the language through wish magic' thing.
that's not how it works, back then it took connections and a LOT of money to be able to move to another city, much lass another country or heck, even another continent. A chinese family would have never traveled to fricking spain just because of a crazy rumor that a foreign king may or may not be able to grant a wish
The cripple thing would make perfect sense for a wish. It's a prime candidate for showing off either Magnifico's power that he can heal the lame, or show how much of a paranoid butthole that he's become that he won't even do a basic wish like fix a broken leg.
Instead, her wish is to be a baker, a profession which she can learn in time without magic and would be far easier to move around the kitchen with if she had full use of both hands at all times.
I love that Asha becomes an activist right after being denied and fired by Magnifico during a song with lyrics like: "I know I'm not wroooooong!".
And the YAAASSSSSS QUEEN! moment at the end. You know, after the queen read in the book that the staff was unbreakable and ends up finding a broken piece of the staff containing Magnifico (proving the book lies). And yet, the loyal queen tells to her defeated husband: "This is the thanks you deserve".
Yeaaaaaah, slay queen! Strong independent women need no man!
She's the blueprint for woke sjw females, teaching them how to walk in to a new corporate job and frick everything up their first day with hr complaints and metoo tactics
So let me get this straight >Bad guy was from a settlement that was destroyed and had to flee >Founded a new settlement on an island and learned how to use magic/grant wishes >This quickly turns into a flourishing kingdom >Occasionally trains apprentices in his arts >Is selective about wishes due to the inherent danger they pose. Will only grant wishes that benefit the kingdom at large. Won't grant vague wishes like "I want to inspire." but likely would grant wishes like "I want to inspire kids to become great artists." >Everyone rebels against him because some b***h is upset that he's not granting grampappy's shitty vague wish >He ends up taking drastic measures fueled by bad writing >Is trapped in a mirror >Is told he deserves it by his wife
There's another movie about wishes called Puss in Boots: The Last Wish. That film had three villains but two of them were the standout.
Immediately when Jack Horner is on screen, you can tell he's an butthole. Like he even looks like an butthole. His employees are afraid of him. He hoards magic artifacts without caring for their incredible properties, just that he has them and no one else. There is absolutely no reason to feel bad for him because he's 10% without fail an butthole and the movie even outright mocks the concept of redeeming him.
As soon as Death is on the screen, you can tell he's bad news. He's a large intimidating wolf in a black cloak and as quickly as the conversation starts, he makes it clear he's there to kill Puss. He ends up drawing blood and is one of the major catalysts driving the film.
People were hoping that Disney would return to form and write an actual straight up evil villain this time. After so many twist villains and 'The real villain is generational trauma!', people were ripe to see a bonefied dickhead bad guy evil person, but the writers couldn't even do that. The movie ends up making the villain look far more sympathetic than its protagonist. His downfall is a tragedy in the making.
They could have had him be a stubborn douchebag or admit he only grants wishes that benefit him personally. There could have been a scene of him examining wishes and selecting one he reasons would benefit him when another is clearly more important (I wish I could be allowed to paint the castle vs I wish my son wasn't dying kind of stuff).But they didn't, because the suck ass at writing.
>Immediately when Jack Horner is on screen, you can tell he's an butthole.
I do like with how overly comically evil Jack is throughout, there is a single positive trait when we first meet him: He was legitimately happy with the pies his kitchen staff made and praised them for it.
It's the first thing he does, which gives you a brief feeling at the start that maybe he's not so bad and can see why the cricket may believe there is a slither of hope for him... only for the film to continue and he just keeps getting worse and worse, and he's proud of it
There's also the fact he's comically ruthless, he murders a bunch of his own men and was willing to shoot a dog in the face.
Magnifico barely gets to do many villainous things in Wish because Disney doesn't want to scare the audiences with this film that panders to everyone. They call him the "strongest villain in Disney history" because of his powers and he kills nobody. Fricking Scar is a disheveled coward and he was far more ruthless than Magnifico ever was.
This idea just could never work because it has to portray someone who is mentioning wishes aren’t always positive and shouldn’t be endless as the villain
There’s no way to not make the protagonists not look bad
>Wait years for another big bad disney villain with a good song (Tamatoa had a pretty ok song but he's basically a diversion) >They utterly bungle it and the song is pop trash
I know I shouldn't expect anything from this fricking shithole company anymore but come the frick on. Every concept and thing that got cut would have made for a way better movie but they sanded it down into slop. I feel like if they made scar today they would have never had him kill mufasa.
>instead of killing him, scar calls mufasa all kinds of names >this makes mufasa horribly depressed and he leaves to become a hermit >mufasa is never mentioned again after this
God I could see that happening in the alternate reality 2025 film Roar. Last good and truly evil villain was Facilier who was willing to sacrifice the souls of everyone in New Orleans for his demonic debt collectors. Where the shit did those concepts go for villains these days? Gothel really was the last sputter of greatness before they magically forgot how to write a fun villain.
So Cinemaphile seems to be squarely team Magnifico
Rest of the internet?
Did "people are entitled to having their wishes granted" resonate with, say, twitter or reddit?
The thing that gets me is the little interlude in the song where he goes into stereotypical villain stuff teeters on being good, and then it's back to popshit. Can they get the people that worked on the tangled show's songs? They knew what the frick they were doing over there.
The thing is these pop song writers genuinely think theyre above previous disney songs. So them dipping into a classic villain song can only be done in layers of sarcasm and irony.
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Anonymous
And that's what kills me. Look at this song from the tangled tv show. This is the shit we're missing. Why have a duet between the hero and villain but have them not interact musically during the song? Why have a joyous villain song at the point where he snaps and gives into the forbidden magic, and not when he wins or is reveling in his plans? That's what gets me about modern disney when it does musicals nowadays. The songwriters don't get how to make one anymore.
Finished the camrip and you can really tell the suits sucked out all of the soul of this movie. I feel like any other studio would pull out all the stops for a 100 YEAR CELEBRATION movie but nope. This is the same bad sludge with some vague references on top. They also need to fricking boot miranda as the song guy, he doesn't fricking get it like ashman did. Yet another disney movie where I look at the concept art and wish we had that instead. At least make the star an actual character and not plush mascot #12387.
also they massively dropped the ball by making this yet another sameface cg nu-disney generic slog, like if any new disney release was going to demand traditional animation it would be the 100-year anniversary film, but no, that would actually require time and money and effort so there was no chance of it
i mean to be fair he's the biggest nothing to have become famous in my lifetime, he has literally zero talent outside of having a kind of okay voice and face. He must have gone to school with somebody somewhere or blown the right person because Hamilton was absolute dogshit from day one, I remember having to hide my opinion of it because like three people I knew were big into it and I wanted to scream at them "THIS IS ALL BABY SHIT, THIS IS GARBAGE AND YOUR TASTES SUCK SHIT"
I hate most of his music but how far you'll go and you're welcome from Moana are good. Unfortunately that was several years ago, the guy has become stale since then. Frick Encanto
Really? It was fricking indistinguishable. Still as shit with no through line to any of the songs. The duet and the animal song feel both unnecessary and pop chart bait. All the songs and the visuals accompanying them suck dick (some of thanks I get's visuals were ok but nothing on the level of the past). Delete all of them off of the face of the planet
I'm not the biggest LMM fan but these songs trying to mimic his style made appreciate some of his other stuff. Any song from Moana is leagues above anything in this film.
I could kinda feel that it wasn't him but I wasn't putting any confidence that he was giving a shit about the project so I assumed it was him. But yeah, comparing it to moana, it's way more hollow than what he usually makes.
It was supposed to sound like a villain song, the twist in the movie is Bruno is good but misunderstood. I'm sick of LMM songs but atleast he prioritizes good storytelling above all else
This guy would have earned the film over a billion dollars by himself, especially if he had an unrequited romance with Asha. Jennifer Lee and Disney executives are so stupid.
>don't make a tumblr sexyman >don't make him swoon for the MC (and vice versa) >don't make the King and Queen a villain couple and have them be all over each other a la Gomez and Morticia
even if the story was kept the same-ish, fans would excuse it as long as those elements existed. I honestly don't understand how they could've fricked up so badly
All of those and making the movie 2d would have made a bajillion dollars and people sucking disney's dick for the rest of time. I really don't get why the made the star into the mascot, it's not like the supporting cast is any fricking good. the dwarf stand ins suck and the parents are bland.
absolutely. I haven't watched an animated movie at the cinema in ages, but if it had those elements (mainly 2D and Magnifico and Amaya being a happy villain couple; less so Asha and the star boy, though it would've been fine) I would've gone to see it. A nice little Disney movie actually celebrating their animated movies, a throwback to all the great things they used to make.
i really hate how you could take a shot of any of these main characters and change their skin tone, hair color, and edit the look of their clothes, maybe adjust a little lighting, and all of a sudden they'd be indistinguishable from another character from Frozen or whatever. They all look exactly the fricking same. It's the same as anime. Just fricking lazy and uninspired and deeply, deeply patronizing.
Did disney somehow not know that the sexyman thing isn't a joke and continues to make people bucketloads of money the second they're introduced? If starboy wasn't cut he would have made the movie so much money. Even if he wasn't in love with Asha he still would have raked in the bills.
god they would frick that boy so hard, there would be so much wet porny fanart of his bare cheeks and bare feet
Starboy could have even remained star boy who sometimes transforms in to the cute star mascot, or he could have the little star mascot as his animal sidekick. Someone at the top in Disney (Jennifer Lee) clearly wanted star boy gone even though it's clear the concept artists wanted it. It must be so soul crushing to be an artist working at Disney.
>Someone at the top in Disney (Jennifer Lee) clearly wanted star boy gone
why would she want the starboy gone?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Because a strong independent woman needs no man!
5 months ago
Anonymous
Heterosexuality LE BAD and strong male hero LE BAD are Jennifer Lee's entire MO
less incellike answer please?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Jennifer Lee hates female characters having male love interests because she thinks it makes female characters weak, due to the brand of feminism Jessica Lee subscribes to.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You don't know Jennifer Lee, do you?
5 months ago
Anonymous
NTA, but i don't, could you elaborate on her and her moronic ideas? it all sounds interesting to me.
5 months ago
Anonymous
not same anon. I dont mean this to sound incel-y but she genuinely a diversity pick. Following Lasseter's outting due to sexual harassment, Disney was desperate to replace him with a woman to show they dont support his actions. Problem? Disney doesnt have any prominent women to replace him with. So the grabbed the most suitable woman they have, Jennifer Lee. At this time she was a two-time writer (Zootopia/Ralph) and one-time co-director (Frozen) who was praised by instructors in College. If she continued down that path she probably would've gained a lot of great experience and become a real powerhouse. But instead she was thrust to the top position in the largest animation studio while still green.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Heterosexuality LE BAD and strong male hero LE BAD are Jennifer Lee's entire MO
I'm going to draw a romance comic with a star boy resembling this guy and a peasant waifu cuter than Asha and take all the money Disney left on the table. Sorry Disney concept artists, you created gold and Disney decided to bury it.
Did disney somehow not know that the sexyman thing isn't a joke and continues to make people bucketloads of money the second they're introduced? If starboy wasn't cut he would have made the movie so much money. Even if he wasn't in love with Asha he still would have raked in the bills.
Magnifico is better, but the Star will sell more. It has appeal to plush-lovers who haven't even seen the movie. The thing is basically a squishmallow they turned into a character.
We all hate star blob but Disney marketing must know what they are doing. Star blob plush sales will probably turn a massive profit to the point they won't care if the actual movie flops
Why is the duet in the movie? It doesn't even make sense as a number between the hero and villain. It only kind of makes sense to show how they want to handle wishes, but only visually. I know it's because it's supposed to be for the pop charts but still.
Then why does it fricking exist? It feels like something cut from the starboy version where it was him and asha singing it. or magnifico and the queen.
> I just saw Wish
Why?
We'll never get an answer for that one...
So you don't have to.
Thanks, Doug.
Favorite Disney movie?
The Great Mouse Detective
Absolute fricking patrician taste anon
Based as hell. The fox and the hound is a close one for me
Share the full movie
You can find it easily online
Camrip or DVD screener?
CamRIP
Pirate Bay
Scale of 1-10. Rate it. Is it bad or a attrocity?
Camrips are out.
It's like you can see the rewrites during the movie. It's a mess and it makes you hate the good guys and feel bad about the villain.
>It's like you can see the rewrites during the movie.
Too be fair, this is true of like the last five WDAS movies.
Go on fmovies.to and watch the camrip there.
It's on Pirate Bay
Was Magnifico at least fun?
He was actually more tragic than funny.
>He shares with Asha how some thieves destroyed his home and trusts her enough to show her his secret room.
>He is really disappointed when she inmediately asks him to grant his grandpa's wish.
>He's scared of the foreign source of magic he witness at night (from star).
>He actually listens to his wife when shes begs him not to use his evil book but ends up using it when his citizens start rebelling.
And then he goes full evil under the influence of the book and starts going crazy.
>He threatens his wife and kind of pushes her in the final battle
>He seems to brainwash one of the seven not-dwarves
>He uses his magic more agressively
>And he ends up trapped in his staff. Nobody ever looks for a cure because the book told them not to bother.
>>He actually listens to his wife when shes begs him not to use his evil book but ends up using it when his citizens start rebelling.
Mind you the rebellion is all about how the people "just want more wishes", and Magnífico gets literally nothing out of protecting wishes it is literally an altruistic impulse of his.
wait, so is the movie presenting him as a benign autocrat like early Andrew Ryan, and his citizenry as greedy beggars demanding everything of him, or is it presenting him as a tyrant hoarding magic for himself and the people as a wholesome socialist surge looking to seize the means of production?
Yeah.
Its like an Atlas Shrugged in Al Andaluzia
I feel like they wanted it to be the latter but do to general incompetence and lack of self awareness on their part, made it the former. I mean really, how do you justify that shit? The whole thing could be taken down by a “be careful what you wish for speech”.
it sounds like they could have pursued him being a hypocrite as a valid avenue of criticism, but that that would have required them to actually write a script
That would have been better, as it is it just feels like first world problems the movie.
Is the spoiler about Disney trying to create a shared universe with the ending actually true?
I think it's less shared universe, i.e. not an origin story, but more like a movie filled with references to other movies. for example the Peter Pan character is not Peter Pan but just a reference to him
He also absorbs an orb and says: >"Fantasyland in the sky? How about NEVERLAND?"
DUDE THOSE REFERENCES ARE SO FRICKING FUNNY! THEY MAKE ME WANT TO MERGE WITHOUT LOOKING!
underrated
Ah, so the bad kind of fanfiction.
You already made a thread about this frick off.
NO, I must share my disgust!
It starts with a traditional book opening with the story of Magnifico. He has a tragic past that pushes him to study magic and build a kingdom where everybody is safe.
He deserves redemption
Absolutely
>He has a tragic past
That's all I need to know to hate it
>He has a tragic past that pushes him to study magic and build a kingdom where everybody is safe.
Hehe yeah... like that's ever gonna happen... WHAT A LOAD O-
how severe is your autism
What about it was so bad? Can you give a summary/review?
>What about it was so bad? Can you give a summary/review?
I hated the queen the most, but only because I skipped all the singing animals parts.
>The movie starts with a bit of Magnifico's backstory narrated by Asha.
>She then goes to greet the newcomers (people come from all over the world to Rosas). She seems to work as a guide but later she's having a job interview to work directly for the king. Song: Welcome to Rosas. The song basically explains how the wish granting ceremony works.
>After that she goes to meet her friends at the castle. The not-Grumpy bluntly says she wants to work with the king to get her family's wishes granted faster. He also insults not-Sleepy.
>The queen tells her about the king and not to expect to see the wishes. She also tells her she's rooting for her.
>Asha meets the king. She tells her how she lost her father at 12 and he shares his tragic past. He thinks he can trust her and shows her his secret room. Song: At all costs. You can see people's wishes.
>She finds her grandpa's wish, tells the king he's 100 years old and asks him to grant his wish that night. Magnifico really looks hurt there.
>Then there's that scene where she says he should return the wishes and he shouts at her, we've all seen it.
>The ceremony starts and he takes two wishes from two new citizens and grants a woman's wish. Then Magnifico fires Asha.
>At home, Asha discuss what happened with her family and his grandpa gets angry when she tries to tell him what his wish was. She runs away from home, through the city and goes to the forest. Song: This wish. When she looks at her neighbours she remembers the wishes she saw at the secret room.
>She ends up on the tree where she used to sit with her father and makes a wish.
>That summons the star and the whole kingdom can feel its coming. Magnifico freaks out when he sees even the wishes are affected.
>The star starts throwing its dust all around the forest making the animals and plants talk and become inteligent. Song: I'm a star. Everybody comes from the stars and all that bullshit.
>Asha asks the star for help so they can free all the wishes.
>The king is checking all his books trying to find out what on Earth is happening but they are useless. The queen asks him to calm down and he states that everything he does is to make sure the tragedy from his past never happens again.
>He almost uses the evil book but the queen convinces him not to.
>He almost uses the evil book but the queen convinces him not to.
I don’t see why the evil book is so readily available. Just destroy it as it’s clearly a dangerous thing to leave around.
A more interesting story would have had the book manipulating Asha whilst acting like her friend
Asha actually asks him why he has such a dangerous book. He says that a king must be prepared for anything.
That's really piss-poor writing.
The whole thing is poorly written.
>A more interesting story would have had the book manipulating Asha whilst acting like her friend
That's the plot of one of the Care Bears movies.
>Literally "Why do you have this?" "Because... uhm... shut up!"
Christ... At least say it was a heirloom, or, and I'm going to do what the writers should have done and put more than literally two seconds of thought into this, have him say that he's unable to destroy it, so he's keeping it around so that it doesn't fall into the wrong hands. Bam. Solves a plot hole and actually foreshadows the narcissistic shift later.
Her dad is white?
Yeah
Why?
It's part of the agenda.
>He tells her Rosas and himself are lucky to have her.
>Asha is back in the city with the star. She goes to the castle and interrogates her best-friend to find out a secret way into the king's studyroom. Short chiken song. The seven not-dwarves find out about the star since all the chicken in the castle are singing and dancing.
>Asha convinces them to help her and goes to steal her family's wishes while the others distract the king during his speech.
How do the 7 not dwarfs become the snow white dwarfs? Are they reincarnations?
They are the modern not-dwarves.
Where is the literally lame chink?
The one in yellow, of course. Looks like her true wish got granted, good for him.
Lanky
Booby
Stabby
Tubby
homosexual
Fluffy
and Doc
>jesus
>draggy
>stabby
>gypsy
>homosexual
>mutty
>shorty
>Asha is a literal dindu who performs a home invasion to steal shit
can't make this up.
>While the king is explaining to his citizens how dangerous magic really is, the star is throwing random spells inside the castle burning the study room.
>The citizens starts questioning the kings decisions and he gets more angry with each question. Then they start asking for another wish ceremony and he's furious.
>When they confirm that's all they care about he says "Fine, whoever finds the traitor gets his wish granted. But whoever lets him down will never see his wish granted".
>He leaves and starts going up the stairs. Song: This is the thanks I get?. You get to see his narcissistic side in this. Meanwhile, Asha and star have found the wish from the grandpa and witness how the king grows more and more frustated thinking about his ungrateful citizens until he ends up grabbing the evil book and goes to another secret room to use it.
>Back at Asha's home, she gives her grandpa his wish and he absorbes it. The king shows up looking for the star. When he's denied he crushes the mom's wish (we're never shown what it is), which kinda hurts her. The family and the star escape the king and his guards.
>The king is going insane under the book's influence and his paranoia. He even points his staff menacingly towards his wife. He absorbs three wishes from the people who questioned him during his speech.
>The king gives a new speech and scares the people with his new magic while he laughs. He also thanks not-Sleepy for betraying his friends and grants his wish (becoming a knight). The star throws its magic to a rat so it can go to the queen to convince her to help Asha.
>The evil magic seems to brainwash not-Sleepy and the other six not-dwarves have to go into hiding.
>Asha finds them and explains everything. Song: Knowing what we know now. The queen joins them and they think of a plan to free all the wishes.
>not-Sleepy betrays his friends out of selfishly wanting his own wish granted, and immediately suffers a karmic punishment for his action
Holy frick, an actually interesting twist in the movie! And one that kind of proves Magnifico right that people will even stab their friends in their back in this town because the desire of wishes corrupts them so much
Not-sleepy was being treated like crap by his friends
It should have been dopey. Let me guess, it not-Sleepy white? How do these people become the 7 dwarfs?
He is the fat dude
He actually get two twists. See
>The king keeps absorbing wishes. The queen goes to him and tells him that Asha's been spotted in the forest. He seemingly goes to hunt her.
>Asha is actually in the forest with the star. She's given a magic stick and almost manages to kill herself with it by making an apple grow and almost fall on her.
>The king appears on a horse and the star leaves while Asha distracts him.
>Five not-dwarves find the wishes and try to open the top of the tower. Instead of using the magical star, they pull ropes...
>Not-Doc and the queen have "magic oil" and use it to read the evil book without falling under its influence.
>that outfit
Oh god, the Asha = The Fairy Godmother shit is real
Yep
>Turns out if you use the evil book just once, you're not worth saving. At least that's what the evil book says...
>The queen priority list is: Break Magnifico's staff first, bind his magic and break the hold of the book on him third. The book doesn't tell them how to stop its evil, duh.
>In the forest, we find out Magnifico is actually not-Sleepy and Asha is saved by the magic critters. She runs to the castle.
>The wishes seem to be finally free, but since Magnifico never left the castle, he traps the star and turns the wishes to stone.
>He also captures all citizens and goes full crazy. He pushes the queen a bit and pulls Asha to him to throw her around for a while.
>Asha starts singing a reprise of This Wish while the king tortures her. Everybody joins and start shining. The star escapes and the staff absorbs Magnifico.
>Everybody gets their wish back even those who got theirs crushed.
>Not-Sleepy apologizes.
>Magnifico is trapped in the staff and the queen orders to hang the little piece on a wall in the dungeon.
That's pretty much it. The star give a magic wand to Asha and not-Dopey tells her to be their fairy Godmother. The end.
Really would have been better with an evil power couple but we can't have evil women
I wish I could forget about this. Why would they publish it?
I want what these two have.
A pet cat?
I was never allowed to have one growing up.
>... but steps up to the king when she sees him for what he really is
Someone who was dealing with trauma and fell victim to literal brainwashing magic after trying to do what they thought was best?
The more you think about the movie, the more you hate it. That takes talent, good job, Disney.
Her husband soul died when the evil book take over him
Liberals don’t believe in souls tho, so what the actual explanation?
>I like my wishes with some pulp.
I want the sexy villain couple who has cats! The song Magnifico and Asha sing was so clearly meant to be sung by the King and queen to each other.
Hmmm? She is evil at the end who the frick would be happy for her husband to be trapped in a mirror forever? Yes only an evil b***h
It's one of the scenarios where the audience can see that a character is evil but the writers can't, so it's never addressed.
>wife immediately gives him up after he gets possessed and then torments him for eternity
women
And he clearly loves her and listens to her before he goes evil.
But when they are planning a coup she sings that the only thing he loves more than himself is his crown. b***h, your husband is possesed, he's not himself right now. At least try to get help from the magic star in front of you that does literal miracles for free.
>Magnifico is supposed to be a 'return to the classic Disney villain formula
>He's actually a pretty reasonable guy only made evil because black magic suddenly abruptly changed his character
>Get condemned for eternity rather than cured
It's so simple to make a hatable villain. How???! How did they screw it up this bad?!?
Honestly, the queen should have been the twist villain. Who acts this smug over their spouse going mad and being locked into a fate worse than death? What human can claim to love someone and not be devastated that something like this happened?!
This seems like an absurdly cruel fate for a villain that didn't really do nearly as much bad shit as Disney villains normally do.
Anon, he literally told the girl boss she can’t have unlimited wishes granted or they’d be abused
This might be the most evil thing a Disney villain has ever done
He got pretty evil by the end and the book said there was no turning back. So he's basically fricked as an evil possessed guy forever. Can't really redeem a zombie.
Just wish it fixed.
>He got pretty evil by the end and the book said there was no turning back. So he's basically fricked as an evil possessed guy forever. Can't really redeem a zombie.
Yeah, and an evil book would never lie, no sir.
That's the evil book?
The one with the star motif? Like the star that grants desires with magic instead of letting people achieve things through hard work?
It has an ouroboros too.
An ouroboros? Like Disney trying to tie their latest movie to their beginnings?
Anon, that's too brilliant for them. They were just trying to sneak a reference to Maleficent.
"I wish the evil book would lose dominion over my husband!"
There, solved.
This
The power of wishing was already able to stop the black magic once before, and Assha is now a fairy godmother with the power to grant wishes. Why doesn't the queen just wish him better? I mean, besides the fact that it would require her to give even the slightest shit about her husband.
Why couldn't his wife wish to fix him?
The Satan book said not to.
Wasn't the dude already an butthole before the dark magic stuff? Wasn't he screaming at the people of Rosas, calling everyone ungrateful, putting a ban on magic so only he could use it, and telling Asha he was going to screw over her family forever? I don't think you can wish away your natural douchieness.
>I don't think you can wish away your natural douchieness.
Why not?
"I wish you were nicer" bam, nicer.
Isn't that a dangerous wish? Isn't that basically more possession? Why would stars in the sky grant it or why would Asha the Fairy Godmother grant it?
Are you saying there should be someone who will arbitrate which wishes are worth granting and which ones aren't?
Isn't that the explicit job Asha is given at the end? With the implied difference being that she doesn't keep wishes, but she'll go around and grant people's good wishes who need help getting them granted (like Cinderella or Geppetto)?
I think it really shows one of the major problems of the movie. The villains core motivations and plans aren't really refuted, instead all they want is simply putting a new leader in the seat.
Disney is clearly going for an activism message with this, but viewing the movie from that angle makes it feel very cynical. Like the dozens of revolutions of the past where the tyranical leaders were just replaced with charismatic tyranical leaders.
This is such a weird movie, I don't get why Disney decided to make this their 100 year movie, or to try and put so much importance on it.
I don't have the page handy, but a part of the book specifically says Asha becomes an activist. Considering what Disney is now, it's incredibly cynical.
Got it. The art book was storytimed.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/140223477/#140227316
She saw people's ridiculous wishes like the guy climbing a mountain or the b***h flying like a dumb bird and said "Hell yeah, I should fight for them"?
Yes
Ah Activsts, perhaps my least favorite kind of people. Sometimes they’re actually fighting for something but often times it seems like they’re “Fighting” just to fight. Not to mention they’re annoying in your face c**ts.
They fight because they want too much shit that makes no sense when put to scrutiny. Makes sense that the antagonist is a guy that tries to filter the bullshit with logic and reasoning.
They fight out of the same greed Magnifico was talking about.
Oh wow it just occurred to me that all live Action adaptation fairies are black now, except for maybe Maleficent
Because the idiot writers made it so that Assha's whole moral argument was that it's wrong for the king to not grant basically every wish. If she can't be bothered to be consistent about that, then what was the whole point of the conflict?
It sounds like he was pretty chill through most of the movie and only reacted that way, song included, when he was dealing with a rebellion on his hands. Considering he's created a kingdom that doesn't require people to pay rent and he grants them free wishes, I think he has a fair point calling his citizens ungrateful.
You're obviously a shill, but okay.
He's clearly a traumatized man, he makes references to his tragic past at least twice. And what did he do when he lost everything, he built a kingdom from scratch. He welcomes people from all over the world and grants one wish every month (sometimes more). His island is not a prison, if you don't like his rules you can leave.
But people stay and have happy lives there.
So when someone goes to him and asks for more, that fricks with his head. He was actually hurt when Asha asked him to grant her grandpa's wish in their first meeting. And he was furious when his citizens asked for yet another ceremony when they just had one the day before. Yeah, he thinks they're ungrateful, no shit.
He puts a ban on magic because it's fricking dangerous. The star almost burned the castle and killed Asha with its random magic. Magnifico is right about the danger.
And he goes after Asha's family after SHE STEALS FROM HIM and he's already corrupted by the book.
But, yeah, okay, he's a douche. He deserves eternal punishment. Well done, Disney.
but anon
>gibsmedat
>Talking about a movie makes you a shill
Why are Cinemaphileners brains so fricking fried, holy shit.
You're posting here. Why don't you tell us why you're so moronic, anon?
He put a ban on magic because it's extremely dangerous.
Hell, Asha nearly killing herself multiple times when she is given access to magic perfectly illustrates this point.
>He put a ban on magic because it's extremely dangerous.
Dude literally made a rule for thee not for me.
Yes, and he's completely justified, too.
Anon, I hate to tell you but when a government bans citizens from doing something, most of the time the government can still do it. You think Australia's government gave up its guns and military?
>irradiated reactor coolant is dangerous, it's going to buried 2000ft deep in the desert
>oh so you're banning "me" from it but you guys can just do whatever huh, huh???!
Shady shit aside (Such as black market shit or underground dealings), shouldn't that be closer to regulation? "Guns are banned, unless you're working in the military" or "Guns are banned, unless you have a license". Magnifico just wanted a flat out ban for anyone to use magic except for him and it wasn't for safety; the instant he saw other magic floating around the kingdom he took it as a threat and/or a challenge. He was just a paranoid, power-hungry motherfricker.
Not true. At the beginning, after the second song, Magnifico says that he's like to see someone wish to be "the best apprentice a mighty sorcerer'sever had". He wanted to share his magic knowledge until Asha made it clear she wanted to work for him to get her family's wishes granted.
With how paranoid Magnifico was to the point of claiming the kingdom has a traitor just because he saw glowing lights in the sky, I kind of doubt he was actually going to teach someone magic. Came across to me like they would just be his lackey. I heavily question why the frick he would show off the wish chamber to someone he didn't officially hire yet, especially when the Queen makes a big deal claiming, "Do NOT ask to see the wishes!" minutes prior to that. But that just seems like bad writing.
I mean, the movie is full of bad writing and convenient moments, but I don't think Magnifico was this cool dude that was totally in the right that Cinemaphile keeps parroting. I think he's just very poorly written, but the possibilities are there. Like, a couple of minor scene changes that could be done in half a year before the film's released would've fixed a lot.
It wasn't just light. People could FEEL the magic from the star AND Magnifico saw how the wishes reacted to it. Hard to blame him for freaking out.
He showed Asha his secret room because he though he connected with her. They both shared what they had lost in their pasts and he though they had bonded. Plus, it's shown he listens to his wife and Amaya was rooting for Asha.
When he talks about his past, he claims he lost everything to GREEDY thieves, so when he hears people being greedy, that messes with his head. I think he's a cool dude until someone revives his trauma.
>Cops have guns
>I don't have guns
>Government can print money
>I cannot print money
It happens more often than you think.
Dude if you're gonna samegay while making the same point twice, you might want to wait longer than a minute so it's not obvious you had the auto-submit button on after you typed your second post.
Anon...
Yes? What?
The posts are 1 second apart.
I don't know anyone who shitposts THAT fast.
Not that anon, or either of those, but the last two numbers are seconds. They were posted within one second of each other. They could still be a samegay, but still, that's not a cooldown-wait.
You moron, those posts were 1 second apart, not 1 minute.
>government says blowing people up with drone strikes is illegal
>government drone strikes terrorist hideout
Wtf so unfair, civilians should be allowed to drone strike people too /s
He has historically taken a bunch of aprentices
He *wishes* someone would show up to truly just learn from him
If being an butthole is enough to justify this fate, then the not-Grumpy kid can get thrown in there with him.
Raising your voice and having emotions is not a crime.
He didnt unilaterally ban Magic he in fact has a long history of aprentices, he just heavily regulates its distrbution because it is dangerous, as the Darkhold shows
He didnt decide to screw with her family, he just made it clear that the wish he was never gonna grant is never going to be granted
Douche is rude but not immoral
>believing the evil book is totally not lying about there being no way to escape it's grasp
The Book also said the staff can't be broken, then the end of it just broke off from a fall.
The queen was the worst part.
She wasn't a ride or die b***h
Or, in other words, he should have married someone else. Another person would have broken the curse on her husband instead of condemning him to eternal imprisonment.
>this is the thanks you deserve
Holy shit, is this an actual line in the movie?
Yes, from his loving wife.
I don't think Disney has ever unintentionally created such an abominable character. She's actually vile.
Namaari and the trolls from frozen
The trolls were negligent buttholes, but at least they didn't make quips while condemning someone they 'loved' to an eternity of imprisonment. Can't comment on Namaari because, like the majority of people, I didn't bother watching Raya.
>"Oh, Amaya, thank goodness! You see what they've done to me?"
>"Well, you do love mirrors"
>"That is not funny. Get me out of here!"
>"No".
What human responds like this? Amaya isn't a character, she's the worst kind of plot device.
She has zero empathy for the main she claimed to love for years.
>Husband gets cursed
>Show Evil Spellbook to baker for some reason
>Baker says nothing she can do
>Give up. Trap Husband in mirror forever.
You forgot the best part.
>Read in the evil spellbook that "no metal can break the staff" and give up thinking it's unbreakable.
>Find the broken staff at the end of the final fight.
I'm starting to think we should've asked someone more qualified than the fricking teenager who only bakes cookies.
>Your husband that you loved for years gets trapped in a fricking inanimate object
>Quip about it then throw him in the basement
AI could've written more human characters than this
Turns out that she really was the villain
i'm calling it now, there's going to be a ton of really fricked-up femdom porn based off of this scene.
He looks like he's on the verge of suicide if he were able to.
Who the frick wrote this?
Jennifer Lee
imagine having a character be confronted by the fact that their loving and loyal spouse has been possessed and instead of moving hell and high water to save them, they just go "welp guess we have to kill them then" and THEN after damning that spouse to a fate worse than death they just make a smug comment with a shit-eating grin on their face, abandon their spouse in their prison, and assumes their spouse's role in life without so much as a blink.
In any other movie, that character would be a despicable villain. In a movie made by modern disney, she's a yasss kween hero.
Yay! Long live queen Amaya! Hurray!
Prior to that, she saw Magnifico say to Asha, "I will NEVER grant your family's wishes!". She was seeing the cracks form even then, it's just weird that they're supposed to have been married for decades and she makes this claim that he never loved anyone and acts like an abused wife when that was never visible on-screen. She has this throwaway line in a song where she goes "I've seen so many bad things", but that doesn't tell me shit.
>I will never make your wishes come true, stranger person
>OMG he's so evil and twisted
I mean... goddamn. How entitled are his citizens?
She wasn't 100% a stranger, she was applying to be his apprentice. And he only said that out of spite because she questioned him, not because he genuinely believed he was protecting Rosas from evil wishes. He doesn't even know what Asha's mothers wish is, but threw it away regardless.
Fixed
It would be cool if Amaya goes on to become the evil queen in Snow White but I doubt Jennifer Lee would allow it to go in that direction.
You know this is probably an ending they had when they were an evil duo. He gets trapped in the mirror, she picks him up and they flee Rosas. She eventually becomes Evil Queen somewhere else.
Why the frick couldn't they have kept this
Every scrapped idea I hear about this movie is better than what we actually got
I really think that Zegler Snow White was meant to directly connect with Wish and that the 7 not-dwarfs in Zegler Snow White are meant to be live action versions of Asha's moronic friend group.
Or Maleficent. She looks like the kind of person that would curse a baby.
Stop making up movies I'd rather see but will never be able to.
crown circle, neck circle, same eyebrows, similar eyelashes. I'm declaring this canon
So she married another king and also got him killed or worse. Wow.
It’s a retelling of the story where the petty, spiteful, greedy b***h is the hero and the victor.
I must put this out there: Ben Shapiro’s Snow White.
I actually want a story where the Evil Queen and the Magic Mirror were a husband/wife duo that got fricked up by magic, but still stay together, wrecking other kingdoms
That’s a little weird, but understandable. But then how will Snow White be the step-child, or am I getting fairy tales confused?
I don't think it really comes up in Disney film. In the original tale, the late King was Snow White's dad and Evil Queen is her step-mom.
If we wanted to fit this in to this fanfic. She marries the King of that land for the title of Queen and then offs him discretely, because she still loves her husband in the Magic Mirror.
>They just run around scamming royalty indefinitely
Based
>This b***h has my name
lol Imagine being named Grimhilde
>Grimhilde
I wish the better character had my name instead of the one that sucks
So she turned herself hideous just to poison someone and eventually get lightning struck off a cliff, crushed by a boulder and eaten by vultures
You know, considering they were originally both gonna be evil?
According to Snow White's original promotional material, the queen sealed her demon familiar in the mirror
Considering she was the original villain, I can see this being the initial influence to the design maybe.
But it is more than a stretch to say those eyebrows are the same.
I know it’s a stretch, but I don’t care. Also Magnifico doesn’t really look like the Magic Mirror either, so they can be off-model together.
I do still 100% think her being Evil Queen was an idea somewhere tho. It’s too perfect.
>Assha gets a position as the king's assistant and gets shown his inner keep as a show of extreme trust
>immediately tries to abuse the position by using it to grant favors to her family
>literally gets into an argument with the king and further betrays his trust
>the king rightly punishes her for this
>somehow this makes him in the wrong
Yeah, I'm not buying it. If her family doesn't like it, just leave and go make new wishes somewhere else. He's not imprisoning them there.
Anon, wish powers only exist in Rosas.
>Disney makes a movie trying to celebrate wishes
>"Wishes actually only can happen in this one area"
>"Wishes aren't powerful enough to defeat evil books"
God what a fricking disaster, it's like Disney hates whimsy.
>wish powers only exist in Rosas.
Which makes zero sense the more you think about it.
So? Why don't they go and fulfill their wishes on their own rather than demanding that the king do it for them? Obviously, he's not going to grant their wishes anymore since Asha pissed him off.
I dunno, but look, Magnifico freed himself from the mirror and is now on ebay!
Bet they sell more Magnifico's plushies than Asha's or Star's
No the Star will sell a lot. Thing was designed to be a plush first, character second.
Magnifico was designed to be a plush
Magnificute!
My Little Mirror Demon can't be this CUTE!
the king makes them forget their wishes
Only the wishes they gave to him. Go make new wishes. People are not limited to only one wish, they make new ones all the time, especially if they've given up or forgotten about a previous wish.
It's wild that the intended message deadass is
>when a system won't give you privledge over others just shape change into the victim class you wanted privledge over
and it's a movie intended to make children internalize that
If the villain was evil and went "sure lol, frick them proles" and granted her grandfathers wish, movie over. All that "tyrrany" and "hoarding wishes" "we have nothing to lose but our wishchains" shit goes out the window for the viewer protagonist if they had gotten what they wanted through personal connections.
b***h saw her chance to seize the throne and took it. Hyped up how awful Magnifico is to stop people from backing down from carrying out her coup for her.
Really, it would had made much more sense for her to be revealed as the villain at that point. She saw that Asha had potential to be disruptive power, and pushed her to the King hoping something would happen to enable her grab more power. "But this worked out better than I even dared to wish for!"
Why the frick did they not make him more evil if they wanted him to end up this way?
This would have kept me up at night as a child.
this is a villian's origin story
he's going to escape his prison tricking some other dipshit like asha in the future and get his revenge on his kingdom
queen kinda hot tho
She doesn't look all that distraught over losing her incredibly loving husband. In fact she looks like she's been waiting for the chance to be rid of him all along.
it would have been a bold choice to end it with a tone and lighting reveal of her as evil as everyone is cheering her. Like ending the movie with him trapped in the mirror and then it showing that she was actually an early version of maleficent or whatever. Unfortunately that'd be way too interesting for a wet fart like this.
Too cruel for a villian ending, considering he was influenced by the book a lot
The wife is a complete psycho and most probably this is meant to be seen as cool or 'empowering'.
The truth was staring us in the face the whole time, and we didn't even know.
When did he shave though?
He didn't. That's just his Vtuber avatar
He didn't.
His face is the only thing visible because the rest is covered up by his hair.
Gay song no jutsu ending
out if you use the evil book just once, you're not worth saving. At least that's what the evil book says...
Getting biblical with this shit. You can pinpoint where it all reeks of rewrites. Magnifico was originally supposed to be redeemed at the end or something
Oh, so that's what the shadow from the poster was. A vague ancient evil we only see in a book. Don't know why I expected anything different.
That's Pazuzu.
>Turns out if you use the evil book just once, you're not worth saving. At least that's what the evil book says...
I believe the evil book was just lying about it and there is actually a way to save the person and reverting them back to good.
>>Not-Doc and the queen have "magic oil" and use it to read the evil book without falling under its influence.
How do they know about the magical oil? How come the King doesn't? Why do they assume an esille book is telling the truth? What kind of message is "totally trust evil magical items"?
>Why trust the satan book
Because satan is their master. Wallow in shallow desires fulfilled through no effort, live in hedonism with endless wants.
Stray further and further away from nirvana.
>Not-Doc and the queen have "magic oil" and use it to read the evil book without falling under its influence.
And the queen didn't once think to offer this magic oil to her husband because??? The king somehow didn't know about this magic oil despite being the one who primarily studies this kind of magic because?????
The queen is the new trolls from frozen.
I think they’re baiting desperate shipgays like me. The song “I Will Protect You” sounds romantic as frick. Like a romantic duet between Asha and Magnifico.
It's "At All Costs" and I wish to god it was
What's all this shit I hear about Wish trying really hard to nostalgia-bait people with references to old disney animated movies?
It's meant to start the Disney cinematic universe connecting all Disney movies together. At the end Asha gets a wand and cape and becomes THE Fairy Godmother
THIS fairy Godmother.
That's Amazonslop, not Disneyslop though.
Whoops, then Asha must be Pinocchio's fairy instead of Cindy's
better
Asha becomes an ugly bald transgender alien
Serves her right for being an entitled butthole
> It's meant to start the Disney cinematic universe connecting all Disney movies together
I hate this concept so so much
MCU was a mistake
I do expect we’ll get a Princesses movie one day. Like the Expendables or Oceans 11 but with more singing and magic
Wasn't Wreck It Ralph 2 basically that?
>"I wish for vitiligo, and a wig!"
>What's all this shit I hear about Wish trying really hard to nostalgia-bait people with references to old disney animated movies?
It's just as you said. It's shit.
The references are:
- The seven not-dwarves from Rachel Zegler's SnowWhite.
- Asha wearing the fairy Godmother's cowl and getting her wand at the end.
- The goat talking about Zootopia.
- Magnifico ending in a mirror. The Disney guys say this is the origin of the magic mirror from SnowWhite's witch.
- A guy dressed as Peter Pan wanting to build a plane with a girl who wants to fly.
And I don't remember much else.
>- The goat talking about Zootopia.
What
Yeah, right at the end the goat claims he dreams of a utopia where all mammals are equal and wear clothes.
>where all mammals are equal
guess his wish didn't come true after all
Is the goat annoying as hell?
I didn't like it, the goat was completely irrelevant to the story.
did he dream about buns in gym clothing sucking off human males?
The wishes magnífico eats are also Disney movies, like Peter Pan, and Mary Poppins
Yes, some of these supposedly best part of yourselves is "i wish for a nanny to take care of my stupid kids"
>Lived in Rosas for 50 years later
>King calls me up to grant my wish.
>Excited to see what I wished for.
>Wish just creates some British person next to me.
Magnifico's big evil plan is to conjure a wall of Thorns around his Castle which is a Maleficent/ a sleeping beauty reference
Do you watch any of Disney's Television Animation?
This movie sounds fricking moronic.
I can see how it as an idea for a movie scribbled down on a notepad could be an intriguing notion, but then they just wiped their ass with it and went 'there, that's enough for you fricking cretins, right? You all have no taste so you'll lick this shit up off the floor if I ask you to.' and then their fanboys start licking the floor tiles before it's even put down for them.
I think it is fine right now.
2D ANIMATION
How do we feel about Wish not having The Rescuers, Black Cauldron, Three Cabs in the credits with the rest of the films and writing them out of the Disney canon?
I feel there’s plenty of movie to complain about before it without crying over a shitty cheap self-congratulatory credit sequence.
Besides, the ACTUAL 100 year celebration animation Once Upon A Studio DID include those same “characters written out of canon”.
I do think them trying to make credits in chronological order but intentionally skipping a very select number of films for seemingly no reason is a valid criticism and indicate of the faux-homage nature of this film
Disney doesn't 100% own Rescuers or Black Cauldron since they were based on original books so I can see Disney burying them.
I just watched a review from a nigress complaining about The Princess and the Frog
Whole movie is about bamboozling the King
Are the 7 not dwarfs meant to be the 7 magical creatures in Zegler Snow White?
No, they are just references.
Like how Hercules had Scar's pelt
so wait a second
magnifico is the Magic Mirror and Asha is the Fairy Godmother?
yes
That's what Disney is trying now, yes.
Funny how they will need to break glass if they ever plan of a sequel or spin-off.
But if they claim he's the magic mirror from SnowWhite that means he never escapes.
Yes, my point that they will have to retcon it to make wish a viable franchise.
That or double down, and try to retcon Magnifico to have been always evil to the core.
Then they should just redo the whole thing.
Basically, it needs a soft reboot, since there are a lot of elephants in the room
If they used some of the original ideas they could actually make a good movie.
They should just go all the way with it and remaster the old movies on Disney+
Not rereleases, just change the two movies by specifically reanimating the Mirror and Fairy Godmother
You joke but I’d archive extant versions now. This is the sort of shit they’d do.
>young Fairy Godmother fights human Magic Mirror
Did Idea Wiki write this movie?
Trying to extend the copyright?
This sounds like Asha antagonizes the king until he uses an evil magic book and is corrupted, at which point everyone in his kingdom decides to just abandon him. What a tragedy.
How do the 7 not dwarfs go on to become the 7 dwarfs?
Asha uses woke activist tactics to crash the kingdom from the inside with no survivors
>8 “dwarfs”
Wat?
The guy infront is Jonathan aka prince charming
The one in the front doesn't look like a hobo, so he isn't part of the group
snow white and the 7 guys
Nope, the King is absolutely the villain. This isn't a "not every wish should be granted" scenario, this is a "only I can make the correct decisions, everybody else is wrong" scenario. This is literally a king keeping people from making their own informed choice.
the "divine right of kings" is bullshit. Especially when he isn't necessary in the process of making wishes. He literally took all the wishes, hoarded them, and forces people to go through him for a chance at a wish.
Frick off shill, you lost.
>if i ignore all the arguments against my stance, i win
People could have just not come to his place then. Everyone knows what happens when you give the king your wish, so if they didn't like it they are free to leave.
>only I can make the correct decisions, everybody else is wrong" scenario
Isn't that literally exactly how the movie ends, but with Asha having this power instead?
>and forces people to go through him for a chance at a wish.
He literally fricks off to a deserted island and people pursue him there to get their wish granted. They aren't forced to do anything, they choose to hand their wishes over rather than try it themselves.
>This is literally a king keeping people from making their own informed choice.
Well yeah. He's the king. Historically that has been what they've done.
This just makes the movie about "Royalty bad" and then still gives the power to the queen for whatever reason.
Yep, asha gets a magical wish granting wand and goes off to fulfill good wishes, which wishes are good is up to her alone.
Question: what was the grandpas wish that Asha was so desperate to get back to him that she kickstarted all of these events?
The anon in the other thread said it was writing a good song.
He wants to "inspire" people. When the king checks the wish in front of Asha he explains that wish is too ambiguous and thus too dangerous to grant.
with a wish as vague as that he's definitely starting a generations long war somewhere
Become an inspiring musician.
Thats it, he could have just taken lessons, but he decided the faustian deal was the way to go here.
The King loves the wish by the way, he just doesnt feel like its specific enough, its basically white guy wishing for a podcast
He literally sat on your ass for 80 years instead of taking some lessons.
Mind you, the movie establishes you can make more wishes, it was always allowed
The clímax of the movie is entirely about how "oh wait, I can make another wish" and they all wish really hard at Star.
They just never did because until then life under Magnífico was too damned cozy ti ever want for anything else.
wtf is this
A mistake.
Seriously?
The star plushie is the 4th interaction of the design
You didn't see the book?
Star Boy x Asha would have sold this movie to every zoomer and gen alpha girl out there. Disney is so fricking moronic to abandon this concept and replace him with a mario mascot. Everyone who wants a plush star is always going to choose the Mario version over the Disney version.
why is he brapping
They saw Luma from the Mario movie and wanted it
One of those baby toys that already smells vaguely like shit before it's even out of its package
Jesus Christ
What the frick are kids even supposed to take away from this?
Become a woke activist like Asha! Shit all over the status quo! Rebel!
Growing up sucks, responsible is evil, you should have all your whims granted and Rachel Zegler is a role model.
Don't trust diversity hires.
OP is a homosexual, the movie is great for what it is. It feels like a classic Disney movie. I think people who grew up watching Disney will love it
Not really, specially the villain and the heroine.
shill
Haha I didn't know your name was OP
How far up its own ass is it?
Too much, man, too much. You know when commie writers try to write "an evil villain" and they end up writing either a normal guy or a hero? That's the movie.
>Sure, it has lots of problems and feels half baked - but that Disney magic is powerful stuff. Fans of Disney animation will find it fun, largely thanks to great performances by Chris Pine & Ariana DeBose. "This Is The Thanks I Get?!" is a great song.
This is a fresh review
So the moral of the story
>Women ain't shit but holes and tricks
>A patrician must always remember plebeians are reactionary creatures with no moral agency and beneath anger or runs the risk of being brought low by them
and magnifico's fall was feeling anger after overestimating the "protagonist" instead of dispassionately refusing her brazen and selfish request.
The moral of the story:
Lesser people will always try to drag great people down to their level.
I'm a Nazi now, thanks Disney.
Why not just wish for the king to have therapy so he can work out his trauma in a healthy way and grow into the better person he wants to be?
It''s weird that this Disney villain gets a super awful fate when he's not even close to the most evil villain they've had.
Wrong, he is the worst villain because he's a FRICKING MALE.
>meanwhile Maleficent literally curses an infant because she didn't get invited to a party and medieval fey are petty little shit
>gets two whole movies trying to retcon and redeem her character
>Cruella skins newborn puppies for fashion
>gets a movie explaining that it's justified because Dalmatians dropkicked her mother over the cliff
Was the animation any good? Or like the staging of the musical scenes?
I listened to the audio of the movie and wasn't impressed but I'm wondering if the visuals help sell it.
>I listened to the audio of the movie and wasn't impressed but I'm wondering if the visuals help sell it.
In my opinion, they don't. Mayyybe with the 'Welcome to Rosas' song, a bit. But that's it. The "knowing what I know now" scene is hilarious, it's like a training montage about how they're planning the coup and when the song in over, not-Happy asks Asha: "Do you have a plan?".
WTF was the stupid song about then!? They got distrated playing with the star or what?
No. The visuals for the songs are extremely unimaginative and lacklustre, which is such a step back from their last couple musical films that it actually hurts the soul a little bit. Like
said, 'Welcome to Rosas' is maaaaybe the only exception to that, but even then the visuals are super lacklustre compared to the intro songs of movies like Encanto, Frozen, or Tangled.
>selfish greedy thieves
Something studios like Disney would tell you are too few and far between as they CHARGE YOU $25 FOR POPCORN
The worst part is Magnifico is one of the best Disney villains I’ve seen in awhile. He’s got the tragic backstory, he’s front and center frick random twist villains and he takes it too far.
If only he were in a better movie against protagonists with a noble goal
*he has a reasonable cause to take it too far. Unlike that guy who blew up the museum and killed his student. What a mistake he made. why wasn’t the brother the twist villain in that one? Would’ve been better
>Unlike that guy who blew up the museum and killed his student.
What?
The bad guy from Big Hero 6. You know, Mr. Thatwashismistake?
I had completely forgotten about that. Yeah, that would have been a better twist if they changed the story a bit.
Robert Callaghan
Nah, frick that. He’s now Mr. Thatwashismistake because his plan was so stupid
I mean overall it wasn’t a terrible plan considering what he wanted to do. Him faking his death in a way that very much risked killing innocent people, his students, and most of all the target of his revenge? That’s the main issue with him. Well that and bad writing but that’s a common issue.
Wait, he faked his death like the brother should’ve done? Then he’s just a superfluous character in this story that exists just so the brother can stay a dead hero.
Like
said you can see the rewrites and they should have made an effort to follow through with their intentions. They should've either pushed his narcissism and selfishness more in the beginning or pull the redemption shit they did with that grandma from Encanto. Hell, you can do a lot of subtle dystopia/dictatorial things if you really want people to see him as a Scar in Mufasa's clothing. Either way, shit or get off the pot.
Too many cases of writers doing neither then shitting their pants. We can all smell it and it’s a complete embarrassment for the writer.
>Audience laughs when Asha becomes animator
>haha animation
>disney 100
And Magnifico asks her if that can be called a talent.
You hate 2D now, we get it, Disney.
What are Snow White and Pinocchio doing there?
The credits show some Disney characters as constellations in chronological order.
>Asha looks like the nu blue fairy from Pinocchio
>Magnifico gets the fate of mirror man
Don’t fricking tell me they’re going to try a deep lore for Disney.
More than that, they want a full on Panderverse.
They are clearly building up to a Disney cinematic universe, with the ultimate goal being an avengers style princess teamup. I think Elsa, Moana, Rapunzel and Ariel would make a good team, with Aurora acting as the brains of the operation and team leader.
>They are clearly building up to a Disney cinematic universe
But they already had that
>avengers style princess teamup
>by modern disney
What a grotesquely abhorrent thought.
Get ready, they are doing it whether you want it or not. Also, I just realized Tiana will probably be the leader of the team, because she's black and Disney worships black people like gods.
What is this
Tiana didnt sell well enough to be leader. Itll be Anna.
They’ve already established Tiana is the 2nd in command after Cinderella
Tbf she's not a bad choice
>Runs a business, showing leadership and management skills
>Street smart and didn't grow up in the naive isolation of other Disney Princesses
Plus she’s the only American (if you don’t count Pocahontas)
I agree. Pure disgust all around, the natural end result of multiculturalism.
That shit was tongue-in-cheek. They weren’t trying to make something fake and gay like a multiverse by having them around
as a full movie
I'd watch it honestly
they did that
Why did they make Gaston the big villain for the crossover?
...Wait, never mind. I know why.
No one is a villain like Gaston
>Gaston is the villain
>no Belle
What's his motivation?
The best thing is that they actually did bring Richard White back to voice Gaston again for this
This needs to be summarised
>Gaston somehow traps King Triton in a fish tank and wants to steal his trident to become ruler of land and sea
>Triton challenges him to go against champions of his choosing
>Gaston uses the power of the Magic Mirror to summon Ariel and the four other princesses there
>everyone is the same as usual except for Snow White who is an unhinged psychopath with an axe that the Magic Mirror towers in fear of when she says "so we meet again..."
>Gaston drains the water from the tank to put the princesses on a timer to find some items in the magic castle for him in return for Triton's life
>Ariel and Moana go to find the Magic Carpet in an ocean area
>they go to a pirate ship where the captain is Iago (?!?) and they ride off on Carpet to escape after beating all of his pirates in hand to hand combat and blowing the ship up
>meanwhile, Snow White has made a giant suit of armor which breaks immediately
>Rapunzel, Tiana and Snow White go through the woods where they meet Flower from Bambi
>they all get chased by wolves until Snow White remembers she can talk to animals
>they get the Sundrop Flower from Tangle
>they all meet up in a maze, which Ariel uses sing to escape from
>Gaston then is waiting at the end of the maze with Dragon Maleficent, who has a broken wing
>the princesses heal the wing, and so Dragon Maleficent pulls a face turn to side with the princesses and wrecks Gaston with fire
>the princesses escape thanks to Snow White swinging her axe around to clear away the thorns and Maleficent keeping Gaston trapped in a crumbling room
>Triton, who has no water at this point, sends him back to the ocean and he teleports back again in a giant bubble to say good job
>Magic Mirror then tells the Princess that the castle is now theirs, and they each have a room especially made just for them
>the five of them all move in to live together
>Tiana does nothing the whole movie but go "damn, Snow White, you so crazy"
But they already did that
This was a test for it and that scene in the trailer sold the entire movie.
so what route are they gonna go for a cinematic universe
Kingdom Hearts or Once Upon a Time?
the cancelled route
Considering every successful movie is turning up video game related, Disney would be idiotic to not use Kingdom Hearts
there's no way in hell they'd do that well.
They hate Kingdom Hearts but a good Kingdom Hearts movie could revitalize the dying Disney brand to zoomies and gen alpha kids. They would need to outsource all production to a Japanese studio and not let any of the woke suit morons touch it though.
I think it's more likely we get a Lorcana crossover movie so they can synergize and try to sell more Lorcana cards.
that's the closest you'd get and even then I don't think they'd make a full movie of that.
you just know some fujo would meddle with a KH movie
Fujos are 95% of the KH fandom and the main reason it's successful though
I rtaher take shitty boylove shonen ai crap that mostly involves cuddling and calling someone his "best friend" to the point even Helen Keller would see what is going on, over the shit they did with Wish right now.
frick Disney, Wish has managed one thing no other movie did so far: Make me loath it more than Pocahontas.
If Nomura isn't directly involved it will worsen relations between Square and Disney. But Nomura is attached to too many projects all the time to oversee an overseas movie.
Plus he's major autistic about KH. You need to fit everything in canon. He was the last one holding out Sora being in Smash.
>Magnifico actually looks normal in the mirror
>This implies the dramaturgy mask he has in Snow White is just an avatar he puts on with motion capture and everything
I...is Magnifico... vtubing...?
We have to save him
Magnifico invented V-tubing
They call it Wish because that's where they bought the script from
Heeeeeey now
not to be some kind of homosexual reditor or whatever, but that was a pretty good late night talk show quip
>Mirror, Mirror on the wall… who is the greatest redditor of all?
>I'd rather be here than in that Hell
>The best of the trash is a tough sell...
>Aaron Swartz perhaps, if I may delve...
>Found it he did, but he killed himself.
If audiences reject this movie will Jennifer Lee finally get fired?
Nobody from Disney will get fired. They will all go down with the rapidly sinking ship.
>Iger comes back to Disney like an avenging angel, vowing to fix Chapek's mistakes
>just makes things EVEN worse instead
Maybe that’s for the best. Studios like Disney are going to need to burn to the ground before they actually get any better.
Iger is the one responsible for all of "Chapek's mistakes" in the first place. All of these woke bombs releasing now were greenlit and overseen by Iger initially.
They won’t get fired in this life, anon, but this life is finite.
She's untouchable, they can't fire woke zealots because they know they will get hit with sexual assault allegations and the mob will accuse them of sexism.
She could be fired, but her replacement would have to be either woman, POC or homosexual, preferably at least two of the above.
The wildcard is if they frick up the hulu deal or they lose board power. If that happens, everythings on the table.
Including this:
I think morally confusing is right how I feel, which is absolutely not where you expect disney to be, but it's as much of how bad the villan's motivations and path is set up as anything else..
If she becomes the Fairy Godmother does that mean she wishes to become white at some point?
Why would she? See
How much woke shit was in it?
Visually: No homosexuals, but they shoved as much diversity as they could in there.
The story is woke shit. So much that the heroes end up looking psychopathic and you feel bad for the villain.
>The story is woke shit. So much that the heroes end up looking psychopathic and you feel bad for the villain.
Yup, that's becoming a trend these days
>mogs your tragic villain
My Queen...
All he did was frick up and give his crush a stupid, nice-looking mirror. At least he and Susie are friends now?
yeah they bond over their dead loved ones.
Disney wishes it could have villains/antagonists as interesting/cool as Kirby
Yeah. There’s another thread discussing deep lore and Kirby was mentioned. What do you think? I remember a video about butterflies being a motif and how it’s one of the first things you see in the first game.
yeah Kirby lore gets pretty nuts especially if you've played all the games and know the full context.
The average plot line for a single Kirby game is already fricking nuts. I swear, you’d have to be schizophrenic and autistic to understand the full scope of the lore.
I'd say it's easier to understand then kingdom hearts at the very least.
everything is cannon
>yeah Kirby lore gets pretty nuts especially if you've played all the games and know the full context.
In squeak squad, without context, you chase someone who stole your cake to the ends of the earth(pop star) and unleash a horrible evil from a chest only to beat it's ass for no particular reason. You've had plenty of cake on the way. Kirby just won't stop chasing that one cake.
How painfully unfunny was the Patrick Stewart goat
He was so fricking irritating in the trailer that I’m now reeling in over how much Stuart is debasing himself further even after a literal shit role. Just be that guy on American Dad and enjoy semi-retirement, how hard is that?
Isn't the goat voiced by Alan Tudyk?
The pirate from Dodgeball kek. I'll give him this: he does do a good Patrick Stewart impression.
that was not Patrick Stewart.
That was Alan Turdyk, the guy who among other things voiced Turbo in Wreck it Ralph. Doing a Patrick Stewart imitation by using a voice he uses for Clayface in that Harley quinn show.
doesn't make the goat any better, but I am at least trying to defend Stewart here a bit.
Also, am I the only one who thought the goat was some baby donkey at first when seeing pictures of him? Like, I did not see any goat horns
I hate that the eyes are not goat's eyes.
I just kept hearing Clayface
erm… it’s Alan Tudyk
I didn’t know that. Frick him too, I hate Wish goat, he’s annoying regardless of who’s voicing him.
I don't know if anyone eve rheard of it here, but like ten years ago or so, Team Starkid -a college musical group famous for the Harry Potter fan comedy musicals- made a little show called Twisted.
Twisted was basically Disney's Aladdin getting the "Wicked" treatment, following how Grand Vizier Jafar wants to save "the magic kingdom" of Agrabah but in doing so has to deal with the egoistical Aladdin, a batsit crazy Genie and Prince Achmed of the kingdom of Picksar almost starting a war with Agrabah for having gotten assaulted by a tiger.
The show starts of with a little number called "Dream a little harder" in which the citizens of Agrabah are shown to be essentially lazy bums who believe that if they just "dream a little harder" (or wish it hard enough) they will get rid one day of Jafar -who they see as the source of all their problems despite actually being a decent politician the Sultan just won't listen to- the show actually poking fun at the concept with lines like "Ifyou are sure of your intention, some magic intervention, will give you the edge that you need" or "if you are good and you are attractive, no need to be proactive"
I get the feeling Wish is just that song done in earnest by some trustfund baby
Jesus christ this was such a good musical, imagine if disney had even a fraction of a soul left in it's dessicated sucked dry by israelites corpse.
What was the reference to Bambi?
they shot Asha's mom
These references suck. I hate them by virtue of existing
I dunno if this is it or maybe i misheard but after the singing animals song (since they can all talk now) the deer says to a bear “thanks for not eating me” and the bear responds to the deer something like “no problem, Bambi”
This deer during the "You're a Star" song is Bambi
you know, if Disney really had been a nazi as much as some people claim, he would have send the people working on this movie to the Gulag.
the third act is so mindbogglingly fricking boring
>Fantasyland in the sky? How about NEVERLAND?
>The perfect nanny for your horrible children? POPPINg this one!
>True love, how sweet! So much for true love!
this is real dialogue in the movie.
…
Some people deserve the gulag. These people deserve HELL for this
Watching now. Anon undersold how jarring Magnifico is. The way his character is paced causes moments that were intended as "The mask is slipping" to come off as totally jarring 180s in his character to the point I genuinely can't tell if I'm even supposed to sympathize with this backstory.
Nusney sucks, stick with the 30's and 40's theatrical releases when they required the very best writers and artists while pushing the limits of technology of the time.
Don't fricking wish, that's what the movie wants you to do
>Wish for a good villain in the next Disney movie.
>You are granted instead a villain that is good.
It's not fair.
Okay that's better anon. You can hope, you can pray, but on spite alone, none of us should be wishing
Go leave
Like magnifico, everytime you whine about somebody making sense, it just makes us think maybe magnifico/pol had a point after all
He was b***hing about the israelites, please stop being mentally sub normal.
Stop proving pol right. Also, what is a 'sub normal' the average inhabitant of submarines? Are they typically antisemitic?
i'm guessing Wish is finally the movie where they stopped even bothering to have the pretense of 'Disney' being a brand associated with class and style? Even if the 'class and style' was always pretty fake and pretend, at least it did give like The Princess And The Frog way more status and at the end of the day as long as the studio is pretending to give a shit and try, the end product is always going to have a sprinkle of magic in it, no matter how muffled that sprinkle might be by layers and layers of sweaty fat folds of shitty business practices, but Wish looks like a fake Disney movie made by a third party studio that would either be lambasted for being cheap and terrible or would be a secret success, but to see it with the Disney label was really surprising because it just looks like absolute dog shit
Does the Star turns into a human like in one of the original artworks?
No he was forced into being a marketable plushie. His human form was banned.
I didnt even know that was a thing until after I watched the movie
So is the villain White?
Was it the thanks you got?
>The goat sidekick is named Valentino
Wonder how many kids too young to use the internet are going to be introduced to a demonic pimp while looking up pictures of a Donkey ripoff.
What's the most 2´woke´thing that happened in the movie?
the first that every ethnicity and nationality exist in this one little island in a time period and setting that shouldn't have any of those
second, her best friend being a cripple and asian with it having no importance to the plot at all.(seriously, a cripple in a setting based on wishes even though it is never even being mentioned?)
It is set up as a cosmopolitan area. Everyone knows they can get wishes so they come from all over the world.
That being said, everyone speaking the same language with no accents is laughable (if that happens).
I suppose Rosa has magic dirt... not as a racism thing, just as a 'step foot on the ground, speak the language through wish magic' thing.
that's not how it works, back then it took connections and a LOT of money to be able to move to another city, much lass another country or heck, even another continent. A chinese family would have never traveled to fricking spain just because of a crazy rumor that a foreign king may or may not be able to grant a wish
The cripple thing would make perfect sense for a wish. It's a prime candidate for showing off either Magnifico's power that he can heal the lame, or show how much of a paranoid butthole that he's become that he won't even do a basic wish like fix a broken leg.
Instead, her wish is to be a baker, a profession which she can learn in time without magic and would be far easier to move around the kitchen with if she had full use of both hands at all times.
wow that's actually really straightforward and is a very simple logical deconstruction, well put
It would be a big can of worms.
All wishes were so stupid (Climb a mountain, have a nanny, ...)
I love that Asha becomes an activist right after being denied and fired by Magnifico during a song with lyrics like: "I know I'm not wroooooong!".
And the YAAASSSSSS QUEEN! moment at the end. You know, after the queen read in the book that the staff was unbreakable and ends up finding a broken piece of the staff containing Magnifico (proving the book lies). And yet, the loyal queen tells to her defeated husband: "This is the thanks you deserve".
Yeaaaaaah, slay queen! Strong independent women need no man!
She's the blueprint for woke sjw females, teaching them how to walk in to a new corporate job and frick everything up their first day with hr complaints and metoo tactics
this movie could've been saved if they had the king and queen be an evil, loving power couple
I don't think the movie is as morally bankrupt as anons say, but I do find it incredibly boring and dull.
So let me get this straight
>Bad guy was from a settlement that was destroyed and had to flee
>Founded a new settlement on an island and learned how to use magic/grant wishes
>This quickly turns into a flourishing kingdom
>Occasionally trains apprentices in his arts
>Is selective about wishes due to the inherent danger they pose. Will only grant wishes that benefit the kingdom at large. Won't grant vague wishes like "I want to inspire." but likely would grant wishes like "I want to inspire kids to become great artists."
>Everyone rebels against him because some b***h is upset that he's not granting grampappy's shitty vague wish
>He ends up taking drastic measures fueled by bad writing
>Is trapped in a mirror
>Is told he deserves it by his wife
There's another movie about wishes called Puss in Boots: The Last Wish. That film had three villains but two of them were the standout.
Immediately when Jack Horner is on screen, you can tell he's an butthole. Like he even looks like an butthole. His employees are afraid of him. He hoards magic artifacts without caring for their incredible properties, just that he has them and no one else. There is absolutely no reason to feel bad for him because he's 10% without fail an butthole and the movie even outright mocks the concept of redeeming him.
As soon as Death is on the screen, you can tell he's bad news. He's a large intimidating wolf in a black cloak and as quickly as the conversation starts, he makes it clear he's there to kill Puss. He ends up drawing blood and is one of the major catalysts driving the film.
People were hoping that Disney would return to form and write an actual straight up evil villain this time. After so many twist villains and 'The real villain is generational trauma!', people were ripe to see a bonefied dickhead bad guy evil person, but the writers couldn't even do that. The movie ends up making the villain look far more sympathetic than its protagonist. His downfall is a tragedy in the making.
They could have had him be a stubborn douchebag or admit he only grants wishes that benefit him personally. There could have been a scene of him examining wishes and selecting one he reasons would benefit him when another is clearly more important (I wish I could be allowed to paint the castle vs I wish my son wasn't dying kind of stuff).But they didn't, because the suck ass at writing.
>Immediately when Jack Horner is on screen, you can tell he's an butthole.
I do like with how overly comically evil Jack is throughout, there is a single positive trait when we first meet him: He was legitimately happy with the pies his kitchen staff made and praised them for it.
It's the first thing he does, which gives you a brief feeling at the start that maybe he's not so bad and can see why the cricket may believe there is a slither of hope for him... only for the film to continue and he just keeps getting worse and worse, and he's proud of it
There's also the fact he's comically ruthless, he murders a bunch of his own men and was willing to shoot a dog in the face.
Magnifico barely gets to do many villainous things in Wish because Disney doesn't want to scare the audiences with this film that panders to everyone. They call him the "strongest villain in Disney history" because of his powers and he kills nobody. Fricking Scar is a disheveled coward and he was far more ruthless than Magnifico ever was.
This idea just could never work because it has to portray someone who is mentioning wishes aren’t always positive and shouldn’t be endless as the villain
There’s no way to not make the protagonists not look bad
>Wait years for another big bad disney villain with a good song (Tamatoa had a pretty ok song but he's basically a diversion)
>They utterly bungle it and the song is pop trash
I know I shouldn't expect anything from this fricking shithole company anymore but come the frick on. Every concept and thing that got cut would have made for a way better movie but they sanded it down into slop. I feel like if they made scar today they would have never had him kill mufasa.
>instead of killing him, scar calls mufasa all kinds of names
>this makes mufasa horribly depressed and he leaves to become a hermit
>mufasa is never mentioned again after this
God I could see that happening in the alternate reality 2025 film Roar. Last good and truly evil villain was Facilier who was willing to sacrifice the souls of everyone in New Orleans for his demonic debt collectors. Where the shit did those concepts go for villains these days? Gothel really was the last sputter of greatness before they magically forgot how to write a fun villain.
So Cinemaphile seems to be squarely team Magnifico
Rest of the internet?
Did "people are entitled to having their wishes granted" resonate with, say, twitter or reddit?
The smoothbrains at TikTok are just laughing at how bad Magnifico's song is and how weak AF he is in general
Which song? The love song or the pissed off song?
The pissed off one
Probably "This is the thanks I get", completely pathetic attempt at doing a classic disney villain song.
The thing that gets me is the little interlude in the song where he goes into stereotypical villain stuff teeters on being good, and then it's back to popshit. Can they get the people that worked on the tangled show's songs? They knew what the frick they were doing over there.
The thing is these pop song writers genuinely think theyre above previous disney songs. So them dipping into a classic villain song can only be done in layers of sarcasm and irony.
And that's what kills me. Look at this song from the tangled tv show. This is the shit we're missing. Why have a duet between the hero and villain but have them not interact musically during the song? Why have a joyous villain song at the point where he snaps and gives into the forbidden magic, and not when he wins or is reveling in his plans? That's what gets me about modern disney when it does musicals nowadays. The songwriters don't get how to make one anymore.
So what is the post-credit scene? The camrip cuts out right as the credits start.
Finished the camrip and you can really tell the suits sucked out all of the soul of this movie. I feel like any other studio would pull out all the stops for a 100 YEAR CELEBRATION movie but nope. This is the same bad sludge with some vague references on top. They also need to fricking boot miranda as the song guy, he doesn't fricking get it like ashman did. Yet another disney movie where I look at the concept art and wish we had that instead. At least make the star an actual character and not plush mascot #12387.
also they massively dropped the ball by making this yet another sameface cg nu-disney generic slog, like if any new disney release was going to demand traditional animation it would be the 100-year anniversary film, but no, that would actually require time and money and effort so there was no chance of it
>They also need to fricking boot miranda as the song guy
This wasn't actually him - it was a pop song writer trying to sound like him.
Miranda should go, and these justin Bieber songwriter guys should go too.
i mean to be fair he's the biggest nothing to have become famous in my lifetime, he has literally zero talent outside of having a kind of okay voice and face. He must have gone to school with somebody somewhere or blown the right person because Hamilton was absolute dogshit from day one, I remember having to hide my opinion of it because like three people I knew were big into it and I wanted to scream at them "THIS IS ALL BABY SHIT, THIS IS GARBAGE AND YOUR TASTES SUCK SHIT"
I hate most of his music but how far you'll go and you're welcome from Moana are good. Unfortunately that was several years ago, the guy has become stale since then. Frick Encanto
the best lin manuel miranda song is the one with vocals by one Marshall Mathers.
Really? It was fricking indistinguishable. Still as shit with no through line to any of the songs. The duet and the animal song feel both unnecessary and pop chart bait. All the songs and the visuals accompanying them suck dick (some of thanks I get's visuals were ok but nothing on the level of the past). Delete all of them off of the face of the planet
I'm not the biggest LMM fan but these songs trying to mimic his style made appreciate some of his other stuff. Any song from Moana is leagues above anything in this film.
I could kinda feel that it wasn't him but I wasn't putting any confidence that he was giving a shit about the project so I assumed it was him. But yeah, comparing it to moana, it's way more hollow than what he usually makes.
The irony is that "We Don't Talk About Bruno" sounds far more like a villain song despite not actually being about a villain.
It was supposed to sound like a villain song, the twist in the movie is Bruno is good but misunderstood. I'm sick of LMM songs but atleast he prioritizes good storytelling above all else
>At least make the star an actual character and not plush mascot #12387.
This hurts.
This guy would have earned the film over a billion dollars by himself, especially if he had an unrequited romance with Asha. Jennifer Lee and Disney executives are so stupid.
>don't make a tumblr sexyman
>don't make him swoon for the MC (and vice versa)
>don't make the King and Queen a villain couple and have them be all over each other a la Gomez and Morticia
even if the story was kept the same-ish, fans would excuse it as long as those elements existed. I honestly don't understand how they could've fricked up so badly
All of those and making the movie 2d would have made a bajillion dollars and people sucking disney's dick for the rest of time. I really don't get why the made the star into the mascot, it's not like the supporting cast is any fricking good. the dwarf stand ins suck and the parents are bland.
absolutely. I haven't watched an animated movie at the cinema in ages, but if it had those elements (mainly 2D and Magnifico and Amaya being a happy villain couple; less so Asha and the star boy, though it would've been fine) I would've gone to see it. A nice little Disney movie actually celebrating their animated movies, a throwback to all the great things they used to make.
i really hate how you could take a shot of any of these main characters and change their skin tone, hair color, and edit the look of their clothes, maybe adjust a little lighting, and all of a sudden they'd be indistinguishable from another character from Frozen or whatever. They all look exactly the fricking same. It's the same as anime. Just fricking lazy and uninspired and deeply, deeply patronizing.
>All of those and making the movie 2d
2d movie would be watched only by niche audience.
What you hear on here and twitter is just a loud minority
Starboy could have even remained star boy who sometimes transforms in to the cute star mascot, or he could have the little star mascot as his animal sidekick. Someone at the top in Disney (Jennifer Lee) clearly wanted star boy gone even though it's clear the concept artists wanted it. It must be so soul crushing to be an artist working at Disney.
>Someone at the top in Disney (Jennifer Lee) clearly wanted star boy gone
why would she want the starboy gone?
Because a strong independent woman needs no man!
less incellike answer please?
Jennifer Lee hates female characters having male love interests because she thinks it makes female characters weak, due to the brand of feminism Jessica Lee subscribes to.
You don't know Jennifer Lee, do you?
NTA, but i don't, could you elaborate on her and her moronic ideas? it all sounds interesting to me.
not same anon. I dont mean this to sound incel-y but she genuinely a diversity pick. Following Lasseter's outting due to sexual harassment, Disney was desperate to replace him with a woman to show they dont support his actions. Problem? Disney doesnt have any prominent women to replace him with. So the grabbed the most suitable woman they have, Jennifer Lee. At this time she was a two-time writer (Zootopia/Ralph) and one-time co-director (Frozen) who was praised by instructors in College. If she continued down that path she probably would've gained a lot of great experience and become a real powerhouse. But instead she was thrust to the top position in the largest animation studio while still green.
Heterosexuality LE BAD and strong male hero LE BAD are Jennifer Lee's entire MO
I'm going to draw a romance comic with a star boy resembling this guy and a peasant waifu cuter than Asha and take all the money Disney left on the table. Sorry Disney concept artists, you created gold and Disney decided to bury it.
Did disney somehow not know that the sexyman thing isn't a joke and continues to make people bucketloads of money the second they're introduced? If starboy wasn't cut he would have made the movie so much money. Even if he wasn't in love with Asha he still would have raked in the bills.
god they would frick that boy so hard, there would be so much wet porny fanart of his bare cheeks and bare feet
Dammit we could’ve had a hot twink instead of a boring star
Imagine him singing the animal's song instead. Imagine the instant chart success and sales. Jennifer Lee is fricking moronic and should be instafired
Which will sell more?
Magnificute looks adorable
Star blob looks so generic
Compared to what they took from us, starblob is so generic and soulless. Will still sell loads of plushies since he's so blandly appealing.
Magnifico is better, but the Star will sell more. It has appeal to plush-lovers who haven't even seen the movie. The thing is basically a squishmallow they turned into a character.
We all hate star blob but Disney marketing must know what they are doing. Star blob plush sales will probably turn a massive profit to the point they won't care if the actual movie flops
Why is the duet in the movie? It doesn't even make sense as a number between the hero and villain. It only kind of makes sense to show how they want to handle wishes, but only visually. I know it's because it's supposed to be for the pop charts but still.
pop charts don't put disney songs on the radio anymore.
Then why does it fricking exist? It feels like something cut from the starboy version where it was him and asha singing it. or magnifico and the queen.
It's probably from a previous rewrite where he was singing to his evil wife or he was a young prince singing to Asha.