I just watched Invincible season 2, all three episodes so far. Are the viltramites from the franchise akin to the archons from gnosticism?
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I just watched Invincible season 2, all three episodes so far.
I don't care about none of that, but do you guess thinks they really have Allan the Alien say "hole in their armor" instead of "chick in their armor" because Mark is Asian?
They're Saiyans with intelligence and drive.
more like they're sayians if they ACTUALLY were the strongest and not absolutely mogged by literally every fricking freeza soldier in existence
I meant more like Saiyans in terms of philosophy and intergalactic policy in addition to their power set
They are not Sayians, they are based on DC Ancient Kryptonian Empire
Sayians were just barbarian mercenaries that worked for Frieza a real state businessman
>They are not Saiyans!
>Frieza
Probably the only intelligence sayian besides Goku, (kinda).
Were there kryptonians that were planet conquerors? Because otherwise you're just making the incredibly shallow ass observation that Omni-man is a dark take on Superman, so was Goku funnily enough, which is why the Saiyan comparison is somewhat fitting.
>Were there kryptonians that were planet conquerors?
Yeah, as he said, Ancient Kryptonian Empire, a New 52 thing I am pretty sure. Caused so much trouble the blue guys from the Green Lantern Corp had to mindbreak their race to regress back to Krypton so they could commit industrial suicide.
I thought the krypton thing dates back to silver age when used as an excuse for why they never became space explorers and how the GLs slept on the job.
You do know the Invincible comics is 21 years old, right? Viltrumites were revealed as evil tyrants by issue 8, a few years before DC’s New52 even started, Hickman didn’t even know DC would make ancient krypton to be Rome.
>DC Ancient Kryptonian Empire
How did they get super-powers? Krypton has a RED SUN.
They are a race of Emperor Supermans. THEIR Emperor is Freddy Mercury Superman.
Erm, actually Thragg is the Grand Regent, not the Emperor
>saiyans
Nah they're kriptonians that actually get the job done unlike dragon jobber characters
Kryptonians was a weak pussy homosexuals against Earth that actually have a living Gods there and Constantine.
No, they are not
I know what you're talking about but not really. Its more a mixture of Saiyans + Kryptonians.
They are Kryptonians anon, Omni Man is Superman
No they are not, kryptonians have freeze breath and Lazer vision.
We've seen omni-man get hurt by things before. Things that simply hit him hard. Isn't the solution to beating him "hit him really hard"? I feel like people are spending time trying to find Kryptonite, but why? Its not like he's-
Good one.
>We've seen omni-man get hurt by things before. Things that simply hit him hard. Isn't the solution to beating him "hit him really hard"? I feel like people are spending time trying to find Kryptonite, but why? Its not like he's- ACK
Mind control?
He was directly hit by a fricking orbital strike and it just lightly bruised him. At some point you have to question if hitting him hard is really the best option.
He got punched by a fast man's hands and it battered him. Also, while it might not have broke skin, I saw him get hit by a laser and it knocked him around. Him taking damage is pretty inconsistent, but evidence supports hitting him "really hard" is still a good idea.
In the comics Viltrumites weakness is their eardrums/high frequency sounds.
So Venom but without the consumption.
Curious, does that mean that when Omniman punches something metallic and it falls, making loud noises, he feels a bit of weakness and sensitivity?
high frequency does not equal loud
True but the anon also mentioned their weakness to sound.
It's a good thing they can throw people into space
>autism is literally a superpower
i kneel
>In the comics
S2E2 foreshadowed that is gonna still be their weakness. When Invincible fights the Atlantis Monster, it does a High-Pitch Roar and fricks him up a bit more unusual than previous attacks. Instead of revealing it near the end of the series by Robot's big betrayal/takeover, it seems the show is going to do it near the start.
>be viltrumite
>have cells, neigh, molecules, which are capable of adapting on the fly to become as resilient as possible to ANY kind of external force
>heat
>pressure
>cutting
>crushing
>electricity
>cold
>corrosion
>radiation
>the list goes on
>job to a tiny flap of skin in their ear vibrating at just the wrong frequency
this will never and can never make sense to me. Stupid writing. The way Thragg dies because his smart molecules were overloaded by multiple types of extreme trauma occuring to them at once and not being able to adapt efficiently to more than one at a time is a far better weakness, but also far more difficult to exploit; as it should be, Viltrumites should NOT be easy to defeat.
>neigh
Goddammit you idiot.
bah you know what i meant
Don't forget about light. Overloading senses is a dead end.
What the frick are you talking about? Viltrumites are just really dense muscle bricks. Thragg died because the sun is really fricking hot, not because of some moronic combination of traumas you dumb b***h.
Read slower
>be viltrumite
>have cells, neigh, molecules, which are capable of adapting on the fly to become as resilient as possible to ANY kind of external force
This is all made up headcanon.
I am more than 96% sure I read this exact explanation in the comics but I'm laying in bed phoneposting so I won't search for proof.
They're literally just saiyans without ki powers or tails. They're really strong and really durable, and when they come close to dying they get stronger when they heal. That's it, they can still be killed by any conventional means IF it manages to overcome their natural durability. Space Freddie died because Mark shoved him in the sun and didn't let him get out in time, that's it.
I Googled it and I was right. Look up smart atoms invincible ty
Anon, a superpowers wiki article written by autistics is not a source
>random viltrumite jams his thumbs into his ears as hard as he can, destroys his eardrums
>he's now undefeatable
Their weakness is that they are subject to the ninja rule.
It's not really the sound itself that hurts them, it's the fact that they managed to identify a specific frequency that would wreak havoc on their biological sense of equilibrium, since they found that in Viltrumites that's a particularly sensitive part of their anatomy as a result of the way their flight ability functions. I'm not saying it makes perfect sense or anything, but it is a bit more thought-out than "loud sound make big stronk alien big hurty". Whether the show actually ends up communicating that well is still yet to be seen, but the way they decided to foreshadow it in the Atlantis episode does not inspire confidence in me.
That would be the borg.
Borg are jobbers though. The Dominion and 8472 were shown as bigger threats.
>when a viltrumite calls you strong
Not really. Only similarities are being an unstoppable authoritarian force that isn’t a comprised singular god. Archons in the Gnostic lore still have a demonic aspect to them that are seen as pure evil, while Viltrumites are just brute forcing their way into being the apex life form of their entire universe by any means possible. The Alpha Draconians of UFO conspiracy lore are much closer to Viltrumites role in complete control of most galaxies through sheer violence and deception.
Viltrumites and draconians should team up.
Demonic Viltrumites would be so kino.
I think there is a demon aspect to the Viltrumites in that they are an inversion of everything that is beautiful, like justice, peace, harmony, etc. They subvert my mimicking beautiful language like stability, but it comes at a cost: destruction and genocide. There is no light in the Viltrumites, only darkness. If there is, by any chance, light, it is suppressed by their hate, brutality, and negativity.
>Are the viltramites from the franchise akin to the archons from gnosticism?
They're like Saiyans & Kryptonians mixed together.
Allen the Alien gets stronger with each NDE he recovers from; kinda like DC's Doomsday.
The rest of the Viltrumites only get stronger with Age & Training; except that one time when Thragg & his two bug-kids nearly kill Mark as well as his wife + daughter; but then Atom-Eve does her NDE God-Mode to revive them 3 and Mark comments he feels stronger post-revival.
Yes
Nah, the Viltrumites are simply tye Apex predator of the universe that want to prove their might and remake the Galaxy in their image. The Archons from gnosticism are troopers, fallen angels created by Yaldabaoth to trap souls in the fake material world. The two are not the same.
Frieza would one shot viltrumites out of existence. He probably did that in his universe with look a like races like them.
oh my god
who fricking cares
Get the frick out DBtard.
Viltrumites have such an interesting ratio of power to durability. Imagine if we could simply rip our own heads off with our bare hands if we really wanted to die.
What would happen if Omniman were in the Oceangate sub and did nothing to change the outcome? Would he be seriously injured? Slightly injured? Fly up to the surface without a scratch?
I found the "mark sides with omniman" reality much more entertaining than the boring shit we got up to this point. Does it get any better?
Yes the viltrumite war is kino
It was kino, I don't see the show vesion being very good honestly.
For one thing, the fact that we definitely WILL NOT see all the other Image heroes getting involved and trying to help stop the evil Marks is going to remove a lot of what made it cool. I also don't see any way I'm going to give a flying frick about Rex's sacrifice considering the show version is a completely unlikable dick who doesn't resemble the comic version in any way.
someone is playing too much genshin impact.
why does interdimensional portal man need to covertly build his memory machines? can't he just tell the local authorities "hey I need this machine to make everywhere an utopia, it's nothing evil please don't send invincible to frick it up", then try another one of the infinite dimensions if they disagree?
He is working with criminals anon. He doesn't give a shit about being told no and feels he can do no wrong. His entire plan is already dumb since everything would have to go through him if it worked.
I want to write an Invincible fic where Omni Man impregnanted another woman somewhere else on Earth.