>"Sucker Punch is probably the most obvious example of straightforward, pure satire that I’ve made. And I still think I didn’t go far enough, because a lot of people thought that it was just a movie about scantily clad girls dancing around in a brothel. I’m like, 'Really? Did you see Watchmen?"
>Snyder added: "The thing that is deceiving about my movies is that I’m always trying to give the audience the movie they think they want to see, but also give them the subverted version of it at the exact same time. That notion has always been really cool and fascinating: that as filmmakers, we’re trying to sneak in the subversive thing without breaking the illusion. That’s the trick."
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>that as filmmakers, we’re trying to sneak in the subversive thing without breaking the illusion
Predator is a good example of this done well
In what way
I enjoy this interpretation. https://youtu.be/InyKZ0F-fVU?t=141
John McTiernan, the director:
>I was getting a lot of flack from one particular executive. Saying “You have to have more shots of guns firing.” And it just pissed me off. And ultimately I learned that he was really fetishizing the image of the gun barrel and white smoke coming out of it. I mean it was really creepy. But at the time he had enough political power to constantly be getting me in trouble. And I finally said to the studio, “Look OK. You want more pictures of guns? I will give you pictures of guns. I will give you so much gunfire that you just can have the orgasm you’re itching for and then we can stop this nonsense. All right?” And I set the place in the way and deliberately did it in a way that the first words that happened after they spent five minutes leveling the jungle is, the guy comes running back in and says, “We hit nothing.” So the guns accomplish nothing. That was what I fatuously thought was my moral compromise on the thing. And I had saved myself morally by putting that in. The studios were, they still are I suppose, turning out gun pornography. And it always bothered me.
thats actually really funny. i love this guy
to make such a ridiculous scene as a mocking 'frick you' to the executives while not even really feeling out of place in the story at all is just fricking genius
Yeah, I always say that McTiernan wrote the textbook of classic action movies by making Predator and Die Hard fricking back-to-back. You could study both of those movies shot-by-shot and it would tell you so much about how to film action.
I don't necessarily agree with his moralizing, but it takes skill to put that kind of message in the movie while at the same time it totally works as a great action scene, and most viewers take it that way.
The movie, if taken straight/seriously, is one of the greatest action movies ever made. But you can also analyze it as a meta-commentary on action movies, if you want.
>“We hit nothing.”
I thought this was the scene where they find the green blood and say the line "if it bleeds we can kill it" meaning they DID hit something?
no those were different scenes. they didnt notice the green blood. only the woman did but she waited until much later to tell them
oh. But clarify for me, they did actually hit the predator while doing the "shoot all the guns" scene right?
its been a while but yeah i think so. it wasnt a lethal shot and the predator healed itself up moments later up in a tree
NTA, but you're being an obtuse homosexual. There's no need to an obtuse homosexual. I believe in you anon
I unironically do not remember, it was a genuine question.
All I can remember of the movie is the awesome shooting scene, the "if it bleeds we can kill it" and the muscle high five at the start.
that was a great scene too, proving, once again that executive meddling isn't always bad.
okay Big Executive
i'm a red blooded heterosexual but sucker punch was gay and i say this as someone that has rewatched the snyder cut
Snyder is a funny guy. Fascist LARPing as a liberal.
The dude own nazi memorabilia and a confederate flag in his personal gym, but he claims to be a liberal.
Frick that's a nice setup.
>have heirlooms of your enemies to pump you up while lifting
You wouldn't understand, frail wrists.
>it was supposed to be moronic. It was satire, I was subversive
What is there to get? Hot girls in a mental institution use the theater to escape and become someone else.
The theater stuff is also a fantasy. It's a layered power fantasy where the first layer is about the traditional female power of being able to entrance and seduce men with ease and the second layer is the traditional male fantasy of being good at violence.
This movie has a lotttttt of pantyshots.
theyre not that good tho, basically granny panties
We need an anime version of Sucker Punch to reach its full potential.
>subversion
It is not subversion to be genuinely novel, you manipulative fricks. Try being original for the sake of telling a story for once, instead of just trying to pull one over on people. You might be surprised in the positive response instead of the negative outrage response. For people who claim to be all about the money, they don't really give a shit about it over the sheer sense of disturbance that gives them a petty power trip, instead.
nobody in america sees a movie that they don't already know they're going to like. if a movie was "genuinely novel" there wouldn't be a "surprisingly positive response," there would be crickets. you think they're doing these sequels and reboots and franchises because they're "out of ideas" or whatever? that's a meme. they can buy infinite ideas, they're making the old ideas over and over again because they've determined that's what YOU want, no matter how much you deny it.
keep playing the private screenings and marketing boards. see where that leads you.
what the hell is a "marketing board"? what are you even trying to say?
you have 3 guesses. I mayy or may not respond
right, you're a spaz that types random words without a coherent thought behind them, thanks for clarifying
>nonsensical insults not pertaining to anything that was said
Yes, go on, please.
nobody knows "what was said" because you can't express yourself clearly.
I don't care i see blonde am diamonds sexy outfits is a plus
>The thing that is deceiving about my movies is that I’m always trying to give the audience the movie they think they want to see, but also give them the subverted version of it at the exact same time.
This is... suprisingly accurate about Snyder movies.
Unlike the hacks out there he manages to make things come full circle though.
Are you moronic? Subversion isn't necessarily a bad thing.
>Subversion isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Signed any contracts latel
>not necessarily a bad thing
>50% of the time it is
>another 50% of the time it is historically mislabeled as subversion when it was not
You can subvert expectations by doing a deconstruction and then reconstructing. It's what he did with Batman v Superman and it filtered a ton of morons.
martha was cringe though and the greatest detective in the world couldnt work out le epic super villain was behind it all lmao what a joke
Please stop posting here, midwits. You've got all of r*ddit for that.
Filter on, please. Keep whittling down the audience until there's nothing left but bitter buttholes.
why do you respond to random anons as if you were speaking directly to film execs? do you have a mental illness?
Of course I do. I'm the one looking to alienate audiences with subversion.
no, really, why do you do it? do you imagine zack snyder is on the other end reading your posts? what's going on?
Oh, I just enjoy feeding the impressions of people who think they should defend the despicable practices of media producers. What about you? Do you like being a crony?
you like "feeding impressions?" what does that mean? when you pretend a random person is zack snyder, this "feeds an impression...?" explain your reasoning please
You see, when one expects to subvert another, they seek to understand them, to connect on an intimate level. It is better than sex, really. It's a deep, psychological intimacy that one can not obtain without a certain amount of psychopathy. You must first understand them, really and truly bond with them, then violently sever said bonds in such a fashion to shock them into the submission you once feigned in order to gain their trust. This is the true genius of subversive tactics.
what does any of that have to do with you pretending random strangers are Hollywood celebs? i asked you about YOUR behavior. you said you were larping like i was zack snyder to "feed the impression." what does "feeding the impression" mean?
Denial is a part of it, of course. How could you subvert if you didn't even know it was happening? MIRACULOUS!
why can't you just answer a simple question about yourself? you said you go on Cinemaphile and larp like you're talking to famous people because it "feeds the impression." what does "feeding the impression" mean?
Why don't you tell me? You know the answer better, surely, one who is so enlightened in the ways of subversion and all its potential.
you wrote it, you explain it. what does "feeding the impression" mean? you can just say "i don't know why i wrote that" if you don't know why you wrote it.
But I am explaining it. Is it my fault you are not understanding?
you're not explaining, you're writing random deflections like "why don't YOU explain it" to avoid admitting that you wrote an incomplete sentence that makes no sense. i think you have npd
You claimed to understand the subversion better than others by defending Snyder's response. That is on you, and you alone. I am claiming to understand subversion better than you, which I think I've done at least a middling job of, so far.
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
Again... tell me what you think it means.
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
My response was to your question. I am more interested in hearing whet you think it means. I posited the situation. What do YOU believe it means? This is the essence of subversion, is it not? If neither are willing to acknowledge the meaning, the one creating the position has the hand until tangled.
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
scroll up.
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
What do you think it means to feed the impression?
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
and you know where the next question goes.
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
precisely. I'm so proud of you
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
copy and paste again, please. no need to think
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
the subversion defender. Ever clever.
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
What do you think? Do you think? Maybe? Possibly? how broken are you?
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
You tell me.
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
You tell me.
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
>copy paste here
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
you tell me, enlightened subversive one
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
I mean, I could keep posting copy paste, but that just feels too pajeet to me. Want to tell me what you believe it meant? If not, you can forever wonder. that is OK, too.
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
No? OK. Tell me any time you like.
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
Always listening. Go on, you can do it. Be Human. It's not that difficult.
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
Really, it's not hard.
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
Well, perhaps it is for some. Those less >subversive
types, perhaps
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
Say it baby. Subvert that expectation with the copy paste. You know you want to.
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
frick yes you KNOW WHAT I LIKE
do it again
wait, this is now reminding me of really old BBS
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
damnit man, now I creamed. your copy paste is too strong! the least you could have done ws edge it a little
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
I love that you reply with images, yet coyly try to not respond with an answer. Such a tease. Subversion to the maximum.
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
aww, c'mon, bring me more reaction images. that's what everyone wants, including you. I know it.
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
you tell me
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
you tell me
what does "feeding the impression" mean?
you tell me
after all these posts am starting to be wondering the same thing.
Well yeah, but that's just because you're listening to the broken record at this point. It's like wondering wtf MJ meant with
>wooHOOOO!
I still haven't decided if he's more or less creepy, though. Definitely subversive, though. I give him that much.
>alienate audiences with subversion
this but unironically. Life is miserable enough, I don't want to turn on my brain and be more miserable watching subversions of traditionally fun stories.
Except Snyder didn't go even for a bad ending, he just took a detour to make it feel deserved.
>Life is miserable enough
theres a fun scene in The Postman where they want to se the happy toons and films instead violent action schlock in the post apoc slave labour camp. i always thought thats a neat scene despite the movie being a bit dull. they got enough shit in their day to day life, just wanna have fun when relaxing
>MMMMARTHAAAAA
lol
Could have been a good movie, should have edited out everything with Wonder Woman and Doomsday.
I believe he's a leftist because his movies are giant walls of text.
I liked the half naked woman part though. I don't know what movie he thinks he made but thanks for the half naked part of your vision.
they were half naked only ironically
He has just exposed himself completely
Superman is Jesus
I like the actual plot but I also really did appreciate the action as well
>What if we made Suspiria... but bad?
Sneeder is truly a visionary.
I'd still rather watch MoS, BvS, and ZSJL over any MCUslop
>go see a movie for entertainment
>subverted
Can someone remind me what even happened in that movie? It was like they were all in a brothel, but they were all actually in a mental hospital being abused? And it's just layers of cope?
I'm pretty sure the hospital really was whoring out the patients, that was my interpretation but i've occasionally found myself doubting this.
Girl shoots her sister while trying to shoot her father, gets locked up in an asylum maybe she really was aiming for her sister and copes otherwise by thinking it was her father, they're whoring out the girls and the girls seduce people to get stuff to escape and the seduction is represented by cool action scenes
It kinda reminded me of Brazil, minus the whole Orwellian thing..
Next he'll be saying he subverted beauty by casting Gal Gadot
>I was influenced by the movie Frances. It's about Frances Farmer and how she was this famous actress who got lobotomized and put into a mental institution and was raped in there. I saw it in 1982, so that would make me a sophomore in high school. At the same time, All That Jazz was a big influence on me. So it's like All That Jazz and Frances had a baby and in some ways it was me, and in other ways it was this idea that just sort of started to percolate. About MK Ultra, you know? If you know about it, you know. That's why I think it's set in this ambiguous sort of late 1950s, early 1960s world. All bets are off as far as the rules of engagement at a mental institution. Once you're checked in you're crazy; your rights are gone. You don't have any say.
>Brazil was a big influence on the movie as well. I'd say those three movies really - Brazil, Frances, and All That Jazz really were the main influences of the movie. I've never gotten around to doing the director's cut. I still plan to at some point. But in the original ending when Babydoll is in the chair in the basement with Blue - she's already been lobotomized - when the cop shines the light on her, the set breaks apart and she stands up and she sings a song on stage. She sings, “Ooh, Child, things are gonna get easier.” Blondie, and all the people that have been killed, join in to dance this big sexy number and it's the idea that in a weird way, even though she's lobotomized, she's kind of stuck in this infinite loop of euphoric victory. It's weirdly not optimistic and optimistic at the same time. The reason I wanted John Hamm to do his character is it felt like, in a weird way, he's also a liberator. Even though he's the instrument of destruction, he's also the one that locks Babydoll into the loop where she's free of everything. He is lobotomizing, her, he is raping her, but he is also freeing her.
>That's kind of what the tone was at the end. The studio thought it was too weird, so we changed it.
>The reason I wanted John Hamm to do his character is it felt like, in a weird way, he's also a liberator. Even though he's the instrument of destruction, he's also the one that locks Babydoll into the loop where she's free of everything. He is lobotomizing, her, he is raping her, but he is also freeing her.
What the flying frick is he even talking about? He sounds utterly deranged.
have you tried reading the sentences? "lobotomy destroys but also liberates [you of suffering etc]" is not exactly a difficult idea
>he's also the one that locks Babydoll into the loop where she's free of everything. He is lobotomizing, her, he is raping her, but he is also freeing her.
Hot.
>The way it worked was like this: you've never seen your face until the cop puts the flashlight on her. And then the flashlight is the spotlight, and we built this elaborate set that broke apart and then she was on this stage and was singing. You'll get to see it at some point, I'm sure. I hope. The studio thought i was fetichizing suicide and rape. But i wasn't! [laughs] In the movie Sweetpea says, “What the frick is this? This is meant to turn the people on?” - which is a reference to the movie itself. She says, “I get the helpless mental patient, but lobotomized vegetable; that's not sexy.” And then she says, “You’ve got to change the ending. Maybe a dance number at the end - a song - people wanna be tapping their toes and singing on the way out, you know? It's better for the scores.” I took out the thing about the dance number at the end, because we had taken the dance number out, but there was that whole exchange between her and Gorsky - this self-aware, self-reflexive ‘audience observing the movie,’ and yet it's talking directly to them about what they wanna see. They wanna see the girls, they don't wanna see the girls empowered. They wanna see them in sexy outfits. That was the whole thing to me; I always thought it was interesting when people would review the movie and say it's exploitative. It's like an anti-war movie that gets the war too good.
>the action was always dance-metaphor, right? And so the dance doesn't necessarily have the same tension as an action scene normally. For me, when I was working on the action sequences with Damon Caro, I was always like, “No, no. It should be more blissful. It should be more lyrical than tense.” I'm not that concerned with the peril than I am with the bliss of the in-mind empowerment of what Babydoll is doing in the moment. The dance is her power. Her sexual power, her athletic power, her everything.
>Everything that's empowered about the way she moves, that is seductive, that is the destroyer of worlds - she's fully in it. So when she's doing the action sequences, I wanted her to be unbeatable. I know in some ways it goes against the concept of action. It only fails in the final action sequence where Jenna gets stabbed - it’s the only time she's vulnerable. And even then she's able to kind of kick it back in a little bit with the combo of music. I was fascinated by this idea of music and movement and spectacle being the ultimate drug that is impossible to snap out of. That's kind of what they're seeing when Baby Doll's dancing normally.
>That's kind of the point of the movie - the seduction of imagery and the disassociation caused trauma and stress. The girls needed to be lifted up. These mental patients have zero value to anyone, right? But in the world of their minds, even though they feel to be in a brothel of sorts, they're incredibly valuable and incredibly talented and fierce. And then the layer deeper, when Babydoll is dancing and she has to remove herself from the exploitation of what she's doing to seduce these scummy characters, they're one step more powerful. All of it is compounded as you move away from the reality of just being the victim of this bad orderly at a mental institution, being fricked in the basement of this mental institution with no agency to protect yourself.
>but lobotomized vegetable; that's not sexy.
I think it's sexy.
I don't see what's wrong with this, you might think the concept is moronic or his ideas are stupid but you know all of that is still in the movie and you can see it, so why act like he's this huge hack when it comes to filmmaking?
For me its Sweet Pea
Classic cope after the fact. Easy to claim your 100% earnest movie was akshully just satire all along, except he is a known hack who only ever made one good movie in his whole career so better luck next time.
Mr. Snyder, I know you really put some deep message or whatever in your movie, but I'm gonna be honest, I just jerk offd to it with it muted.
>no no it wasnt goyslop, it a was a satire.
>goyslop
People like you killed that word. Things are only ever going to be fun again when midwits have been removed from discourse.
I prefer Verhoeven, its more interesting to attack the audience themselves. Consequently his films work for imbeciles and patrician intellectuals. Midwits hate them obv but then the midwit audience is the butt of all jokes.
truly a trojan horse for some serious feminist discourse and a deconstruction of pop culture's hyper-sexualization, and patriarchal beauty codes
BRAVO ZACK
Hypersexualization is cancer, there is no denying that.
I am reading the interviews posted but i honestly can't understand shit about the movie. It feels like schizo ramblings. He talks about girls being hospitalized and raped, but rape also being freedom though sex is bad and fricking MK ultra of all things. What's even the point of this entire nonsense?
he didn't say being raped was freedom, he said being lobotomized was a kind of freedom, which is a perfectly straightforward idea. are you sure you're not just below 90 iq?
He mentioned rape too. It is the one thing he keeps mentioning over and over in various ways.
Yeah, the rape/being sold and the lobotomy are the same thing on different story levels. But abominable as they are, there's a finality to them, no longer having to fear the approaching doom. Haven't seen the movie in years though.
He's probably too smart for his vocabulary to keep up with, at least situationally.
backpedaling to avoid being retroactively cancelled for a decade old coombait of a movie.
>It feels like schizo ramblings
Why do you think his daughter self deleted? Look at her father.
When did the word "subverting" change to mean either massive cope for a shitty movie, or inserting shitlib politics into a movie/show?
I like tummies and boobies and leggies so Sucker Punch is the movie for me, though I will add I have only seen it once and it was in a nightclub
The only "person" i remember ever defending this movie here when it came out was that troony pedo trip "smiley" for whatever
>I'm being subversive teehee!
This is so fricking gay and played out. When it's the norm, it's not being subversive. It's just being a homosexual. Maybe people take it at face value because they'd rather believe that the director -- for once in the past 50 years -- actually was sincere and not some cynical fart sniffer.
You wanna know what would be really subversive? Not being subversive
Hot take, anon. If it was 2017. Frick you, and frick every other uppity midwit. Learn to context.
I'm subvoorting!
i liked sucker punch. the "dance" sequences were pretty good. i just wish it had a happier ending for the main girl
>really? Did you see watchmen?
Holy shit Snyder is a fricking basedjak
Sucker Punch would've been much better if it was just some girl in an asylum daydreaming about she and her friends being action heroes or whatever, but they had to insert all the stupid as frick brothel shit.
i like sucker punch and think it's fun, but i dont think it was even deep and nuanced enough to call it "subversive", any midwit could've sensed that there was a mild vague feminist message in it so i can understand why he'd be frustrated. any more on-the-nose and it would've been similar to today's style of blatant pandering for morons
lol this entire movie was to help his college buddy, a Japanese-weeb, break into the movie industry as a 1st time writer.
There is a reason that Japanese friend just did PA and electrical work in movies before and after this movie.
The original ending Zack Snyder is talking about is this one:
In it the doctor that lobotomizes the protagonist is twisted into the role of her bidder/buyer in her imagined brothel, where he not only rapes her but during the act of raping her also manage to give her genuine love for the first and final time.
Emily Browning is on record complaining about the studio and rating board not getting such ending.
>“I had a very tame and mild love scene with Jon Hamm. It was like heavy breathing and making out. It was hardly a sex scene… I think that it’s great for this young girl to actually take control of her own sexuality during this rape of her body. Well, the MPAA doesn’t like that. They don’t think a girl should ever be in control of her own sexuality because they’re from the Stone Age. I don’t know what the frick is going on and I will openly criticize it, happily. So essentially, they got Zack to edit the scene and make it look less like she’s into it. And Zack said he edited it down to the point where it looked like he was totally taking advantage of her. It wasn't anymore a rape where she finds power, but a rape where she is entirely the victim. That’s the only way he could get a PG-13 (rating) and he said, ‘I don’t want to send that message.’ So they cut the scene!”
Shouldn't rape just be a bad thing? It feels like Zack Snyder wanted to make rape "romantic" like a nonce and got mad that the studio told him to cut that shit out.
Now that's really iffy territory. There's no genuine love in what Hamm's character does, at best a perverted love, similar to what you'd find in a homosexual "love", it's disordered and on a foundational level harmful.
Whether there might be some space here for her to take the forced sex as wedding night sex, her first and last night with a man, her de facto husband, I'm not certain.
genre: mindbreak
It's not rape anymore then is it
LMAO, this character is literally a Dave Chapelle joke.
its been almost 8 years, are we ready to admit this was his magnum opus?
>not full flesh coverage on superman combat suit
I demand at least moderate suspension of WTF in capeshit
ZSJL > MoS = BvS
I'm white btw
BvS > MoS = ZSJL
Too much sloppy reshoot jank in ZSJL but even without it BvS would still reign.
The movie does come across as confusing because there is one important fact about this movie that is not known to most viewers that makes the movie (slightly more) cohesive and coherent: Sucker Punch is about trauma-based mind control. It tells the story of a victim of Monarch Programming (more specifically Beta or Kitten programming) as she becomes increasingly dissociative. Monarch programming is a method of mind-control technique comprising elements of Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA) and Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD). It utilizes a combination of psychology, neuroscience and occult rituals to create within the slaves an alter persona that can be triggered and programmed by the handlers. Monarch slaves are used by several organizations connected with the world elite in fields such as the military, sex slavery, and the entertainment industry. It is a continuation of project MK-ULTRA, a mind-control program developed by the CIA, and tested on the military and civilians.
Sucker Punch provides a taste of the confusion lived by actual MK slaves as the film subjects its viewers to some of the same mind twists: Illusion, deceit, reversal, doublespeak, and the use of music and imagery. As the movie advances, the line between reality and fiction becomes increasingly blurry and messages become mixed up. At face value, the movie can be perceived as being about the empowerment of women, but the mind control symbolism of the movie indicates that it is actually about the exact opposite. Our hero Baby Doll is looking for “freedom” but, in the end, “freedom” is definitely not what she thought it would be. Freedom in this case being complete disassociation. In fact, the entire movie can be understood in two completely opposite ways, making it quite a mind bender.
The mental institution in which Babydoll is placed has all of the characteristics of a mind-control programming site. The threat of physical and sexual abuse is constant during the entire movie and several techniques are used to trigger dissociation.
Music is extremely important in the institution (and in actual Monarch mind control) where it is used as a programming tool. Most of the songs heard during the movie have suggestive lyrics which, in the context of mind control, can to trigger dissociation. As Babydoll is taken to her cell, Yoav’s cover of the song “Where is my Mind” is heard. The lyrics describe the feeling of dissociation:
>With your feet in the air and your head on the ground
>Try this trick and spin it, yeah
>Your head will collapse
>But there’s nothing in it
>And you’ll ask yourself
>Where is my mind
>Where is my mind
>Where is my mind
The movie even have a song sang by Emily Browning, who plays the main character in the movie. Asleep, by The Smiths:
>Sing me to sleep
>Sing me to sleep
>I'm tired and I
>I want to go to bed
>Sing me to sleep
>Sing me to sleep
>And then leave me alone
>Don't try to wake me in the morning
>'Cause I will be gone
>as filmakers, we like to shovel goyslop into your fat gullet like the little goykin you are
In the institution, Babydoll learns that her step-father paid to subject her to the ultimate form of mind control: a complete lobotomy. The administrator of the mental institution tells the step-father: “Don’t worry, she won’t even remember her name when I’m done with her”. The movie then fast forwards to the scene of the lobotomy.
Right at the moment where the doctor is about to hammer the orbitoclast into Babydolls’ brain, dissociation occurs and the viewers are taken to an alternate reality. We are taken to the dissociative, imaginary world created by Babydoll’s psyche, in which she embodies an alter persona: a Beta Kitten.
In Monarch mind control, there are several types of programming, depending on the use the handlers want to make of the slave. In Sucker Punch, it is obvious that Babydoll and her friends are subjected to Beta Programming.
Beta programming is referred to as “sexual” programming (slaves). This programming eliminates all learned moral convictions and stimulates the primitive instinct, devoid of inhibitions. “Cat” alters may come out at this level. Known as Kitten programming, it is the most visible kind of programming as some female celebrities, models, actresses, and singers have been subjected to this kind of programming. In popular culture, clothing with feline prints often denotes Kitten programming.
The emphasis in the beginning of the movie on her step-father’s abuse is, in Monarch Programming terms, the anchor.
>“All the programming of each and every slave is anchored upon some type of trauma. One of the first fundamental traumas will be watched, filmed, coded and used as an anchor. For instance, the most brutal abuse of a girl by her father will be used as an anchor upon which to build the Beta programming. (…) Extreme psychosis is created within a child trying to deal with the issues created by the incest from the child’s most important figure–their father figure.”
>– Ibid.
Its kind of shocking how often they have the character stand in front of window blinds. It's just a way to make the shot more interesting. It's also representative of a ladder, or steps in a way, which is a way to symbolize that the character is trying to go up, trying to get better.
In Babydoll’s alternate reality, the mental institution becomes a club run by a mobster – who is, in real life, the institution’s administrator. The “mental patients” of the institution are dancers…with extras. This distorted version of reality implies one important thing that is not directly mentioned in the movie: If Babydoll deals in prostitution in her alternate reality, it implies that she is subjected to the same treatment in the mental institution. In actual Monarch programming, repeated and systematic abuse is used to create trauma and dissociation.
In her alternate reality, Babydoll embodies an alternate persona – what is called a Kitten – who are programmed to give favors. The programming removes inhibitions and, as we’ll see, Babydoll will be trained to “let herself go” and become sensual on demand.
It is during the scene of the lobotomy that we first see Babydoll dissociating, turning the sordid operation into an alluring dance routine.
ALPHA is within the base control personality. It characterized by extremely pronounced memory retention, along with substantially increased physical strength and visual acuity. Alpha programming is accomplished through deliberately subdividing the victim’s personality which, in essence, causes a left brain-right brain division, allowing for a programmed union of Left and Right through neuron pathway stimulation.
BETA is referred to as “sexual” programming (slaves). This programming eliminates all learned moral convictions and stimulates the primitive instinct, devoid of inhibitions. “Cat” alters may come out at this level. Known as Kitten programming, it is the most visible kind of programming as some female celebrities, models, actresses, and singers have been subjected to this kind of programming. In popular culture, clothing with feline prints often denotes Kitten programming.
DELTA is known as “killer” programming and was originally developed for training special agents or elite soldiers (i.e. Delta Force, First Earth Battalion, Mossad, etc.) in covert operations. Optimal adrenal output and controlled aggression are evident. Subjects are devoid of fear and very systematic in carrying out their assignment. Self-destruct or suicide instructions are layered in at this level.
THETA – Considered to the “psychic” programming. Bloodliners (those coming from multi-generational Satanic families) were determined to exhibit a greater propensity for having telepathic abilities than did non-bloodliners. Due to its evident limitations, however, various forms of electronic mind control systems were developed and introduced, namely, bio-medical human telemetry devices (brain implants), directed-energy lasers using microwaves and/or electromagnetics. It is reported these are used in conjunction with highly-advanced computers and sophisticated satellite tracking systems. [13. Patton, op. cit.]
amazing schizzo material
To become fully symbol literate with reference to Project Monarch, you must know the symbols. The following list of visual examples are common symbolism embedded into Hollywood films. Know these symbols and you will gain the sight of an occultist:
BUTTERFLIES. Referencing ‘Project Monarch’ (Monarch Butterfly.)
COLOR PURPLE. Purple represents the color of dissociation in Monarch Programming.
ANIMAL PRINT CLOTHING. Symbolizing ‘Sex Kitten‘ Beta Programming (primarily for women.)
MIRRORS & REFLECTIONS. Symbolizing the multiple Alters of a Monarch Slave.
SHATTERED GLASS & MIRRORS. Symbolizing the splintered/shattered mind of the victim.
BARS (ACROSS FACES), PRISON CELLS & CAGES. Symbolizing the imprisoned mind of the Monarch Slave(s).
MANNEQUINS & STATUES. Symbolizing alters, dissociation and total control imposed over a Monarch Slave.
PUPPETS & DOLLS. Symbolizing the powerless Monarch Slave.
CHAINS & RESTRAINTS. Symbolizing the captive, restrained and powerless state of the Monarch Slave.
LABYRINTHS & MAZES. Symbolizing the walled-off and compartmentalized core persona.
MASKS, HELMETS & HEADGEAR. Symbolizing the Monarch Slave’s alter persona.
RAINBOWS. Referencing ‘Wizard of Oz’ Programming.
WHITE RABBIT. Referencing ‘Alice In Wonderland’ Programming.
Also, the best movie about MK Ultra is Eyes Wide Shut.
Vanessa Hudgens is a former Disney star; as stated in previous articles, there are numerous links between Disney’s child stars and Monarch programming.
Frick off moron.
Snyder is a dumb guy who tries to make smart movies, which is why pretty much every film he makes fails and ends up as all style and no substance regardless of his pseud intentions.
An example of a filmmaker who actually succeeds at what Snyder talks about in the OP post would be Paul Verhoeven.
So where do the cool action scenes fit in all this disturbing creepy mess? Well, they all happen in Babydoll’s head as a way to escape reality. Each action scene occurs when Babydoll is forced to perform an alluring dance.
Using music as a programming tool, Vera Grosky (the institution’s doctor who becomes the dance instructor in the alternate reality) tells Babydoll to “let everything go”. In other words, she must dissociate. Following Vera’s orders, when the music starts, Babydoll is catapulted into a second level of fantasy world. During the length of the song, the dance turns, inside Babydoll’s head, into an imaginary action scene that vaguely reflects reality. This multiple level of dissociation is Babydoll’s defense mechanism against the cold hard reality: the third level of the action scene means that she is dancing in the second level of the club, which means she is most likely being abused in the first level of the mental institution (I hope this is not too confusing).
sucker punch was genuinely one of the worst films ever seen, and the only movie where i’ve walked out of the theater
During this first dissociative action scene, Babydoll meets the “Wise Man”, the guide who will lead her to “freedom” … and I use that word in quotation marks for a reason. While it may appear that throughout the movie, the Wise Man guides Babydolls towards liberty, he knows all along that his help will lead her to the exact opposite – total lobotomy. More on this later.
The second action scene takes place in Germany, during WWI. Once again, Babydoll is forced to dance. The song she must dance to is extremely meaningful: It is a remake of the classic song White Rabbit by Jefferson Airplane. In the context of mind control, the song’s lyrics take on a profound meaning.
This classic song can be interpreted in several ways but, in the context of this movie, it perfectly fits into the theme of mind control. The movie Alice in Wonderland is used as an actual Monarch programming tool, where the slave is told to “follow the White Rabbit” through the Looking Glass – the Looking Glass equalling dissociation. For this reason, the symbol of the white rabbit became an important symbol of mind control in popular culture.
> a lot of people thought that it was just a movie about scantily clad girls
and they were right. he's not a good enough filmmaker to do anything more.
During the entire movie, Babydoll’s only goal is to “leave this place” and to “be free”. On numerous occasions, the process is referred to as “going to Paradise”. However, like actual Mind Control slaves, the viewers of the movies are confused with deceitful double-speech and inversions – using attractive words to describe horrible realities. In the movie, “Paradise” and “Freedom” do not equal escaping the mental institution, but rather signify complete dissociation from reality. The Wise Man who seems to be guiding Babydoll toward “freedom” actually leads her to the acceptance of her lobotomy as the only way to truly “be free”.
This disturbing ending reflects the even more disturbing reality of Monarch slaves: even if they escape the grips of their handlers, they cannot escape the suffering and the trauma they have been subjected to. Babydoll apparently realizes this fact. So, in the end, instead of escaping the institution with her friend Sweet Pea, Babydoll acts as a true hero and sacrifices herself to free her friend, creating a diversion that allows her friend escape. Babydoll is seized and taken to be lobotomized.
After the doctor performs the lobotomy, he says:
>“Did you see the way she looked at me? Just in that last moment. It was like … she wanted me to do it”.
zack snyder is a physical and mental midget
not surprising to find out he thinks he's clever
>'Batman killed a guy'. I'm like, really? Wake the frick up
Based Snyder dabbing on Cinemaphile autists. The Batman 'no kill rule' has always been silly especially when you're presenting the character in a grounded real world setting. He further explained why he's not a fan of it in this panel: https://youtu.be/RdWWzj0tr8E?si=kXaMTPP-xzhFx2DO&t=1194
After the escape, Sweet Pea is shown at a bus station about to leave town. When she enters the bus, a boy, who looks oddly familiar, looks at her.
When Sweet Pea boards the bus, she realizes that the bus driver is the Wise Man who guided Babydoll toward her lobotomy. He tells her to get some rest because she has “a long way to go”. Is he leading her to freedom or to a dissociative “paradise”?
Most moviegoers come out of Sucker Punch believing that its a movie about “empowerment”, “women fighting back” and whatever other buzzwords they’re using these days. While some might perceive Babydoll as a strong woman fighting back against the oppression of men, others might conclude that the movie caters to the perversions, turning them into a fantasy. The same double-speak can be attributed to the movie when relating to the theme of mind control. While the main message of the movie appears to be about “fighting for freedom”, a deeper look at the movie reveals that it might be saying the opposite. In the end, Babydoll’s “battle” was not one of rebellion and freedom, but for escape and dissociation. Her “guide” was not an agent of liberation, but a handler who owned the keys to her psyche, guiding her into the fracturing of her personality.
The final words of the movie, said by an off-screen voice, also play on reversals and double-speak. Is it an empowering speech on self-determination or a description of the handler’s complete control of the slave’s psyche?
>“Who honors those we love with the very life we live? Who sends monsters to kill us and at the same time sings that we’ll never die? Who teaches us what’s real and how to laugh at lies? Who decides why we live and what we’ll die to defend? Who chains us? And who holds the key that can set us free?”
Through illusion, deceit, and double-speech, the viewers witness a subtle promotion and glorification of the very things the movie apparently goes against. I guess this is why they called the movie Sucker Punch.
The critics didn't actually watch it. Its a female empowerment movie and its quite obvious. They watched the trailers and judged it on that.
“Trauma-based mind control programming can be defined as systematic torture that blocks the victim’s capacity for conscious processing (through pain, terror, drugs, illusion, sensory deprivation, sensory over-stimulation, oxygen deprivation, cold, heat, spinning, brain stimulation, and often, near-death), and then employs suggestion and/or classical and operant conditioning (consistent with well-established behavioral modification principles) to implant thoughts, directives, and perceptions in the unconscious mind, often in newly-formed trauma-induced dissociated identities, that force the victim to do, feel, think, or perceive things for the purposes of the programmer. The objective is for the victim to follow directives with no conscious awareness, including execution of acts in clear violation of the victim’s moral principles, spiritual convictions, and volition.
Installation of mind control programming relies on the victim’s capacity to dissociate, which permits the creation of new walled-off personalities to “hold” and “hide” programming. Already dissociative children are prime “candidates” for programming”.
The story of Babydoll is indeed the typical story of real-life Monarch slaves, who are often subjected to abuse at a young age. After several years of mistreatment, the ruthless parental figures have then no trouble handing over the children to MK authorities – clearing them of the possible criminal charges they could face for years of abuse.
Monarch mind control is covertly used by various groups and organizations for various purposes.
its still boring in itself
Be aware, be safe, be ready.
What do Satanism, human trafficking, mind control experiments and child sex abuse have to do with the U.S. government? According to the testimony of experts and survivors, the CIA utilized all of these elements and more for their Top Secret Project Monarch, part of the MK-ULTRA mind control program. For reasons of National Security, dozens if not hundreds of people, many of them children, were allegedly subjected to unimaginable rape, torture, and bloody satanic rituals, with the aim of fracturing the human mind through trauma. This created multiple personalities that could then be programmed to perform specific tasks. Many of the purported victims say they were used to satisfy the sexual urges of the rich and powerful, even U.S. presidents. For these purposes, the CIA is said to have sought help from intergenerational cults, as well as child pornography and snuff film networks.
Don't believe me? Search for Process Church of the Final Judgment.
>mfw I am unironically in a bot thread
pajeets taking over the world with their master class in subversion
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Emily Browning does it for me in every role.
And at any time you feel yourself weaken in any way you think the word 'food'. This is your trigger word and the moment you think or say the word, from this very moment on, you will only eat. You gain enormously in weight, and all desire for self-esteem will disappear.
I did some research on lobotomies recently and it was pretty interesting. People tend to think of lobotomies as procedures that make you into a vegetable, but that's not strictly true. Many people who had lobotomies were able to leave an institutional setting and even resume their old jobs and lives. One guy named Howard Dully was able to write a book about the experience. He obviously didn't come out a vegetable, though he certainly does not believe that it was necessary or positive. I did read an interview with an old woman who basically said it saved her life and she was able to live normally.
It is hard to say how often lobotomies had a positive outcome because the criteria for a positive outcome at the time would have been a reduction in undesirable behaviors (assault, SIB, etc) or discharge from institutional care, which really doesn't measure the level of cognitive decline that the patient suffered.
Institutions at the time were really terrible, and it seems clear that lobotomies were used improperly to render difficult long-term patients harmless. I have a feeling that these sorts of cases resulted in more cognitive decline than patients who got the procedure done outside of that sort of setting because the goal was to control the patient, not to treat them.
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I won't argue about whether lobotomies were ever a worthy treatment or how dire the situation would have to be before the risks became worth the benefits. Fundamentally, a lobotomy is brain damage and it seems obvious that you can't restore a brain to healthy functioning by scrambling it up with an icepick. Many people were utterly destroyed by lobotomies, and it seems clear that the procedure was massively overused and their therapeutic potential was often used as an excuse for reducing a troublesome person to a compliant shell. We have better options now. I was just surprised to learn that lobotomies didn't always leave people as a drooling mess.
Schizo thread
So if i understand things right... the whole thing is about fake female empowerment that wont free you, accepting to frick the high roller when you have no other choice isnt regaining your sexuality, you are still getting brainfrick. The superhero girls are just prostitutes in a prostitutehouse, and the prostitutes in the prostitutehouse may pretend to have agency, but they are just being victimized by the israelite.
Is a extremely anti-hollywood movie by director that is loved by his cast AND CREW for how good and safe they feel in his set.
The Dark Occultists who run the entertainment industry utilize fashion as a means of occult communication to others ‘in the know’, indicating through symbolism, the individuals they have under their control as literal ‘sex slaves’. Animal Print clothing is employed for this method of communication as it symbolizes the uninhibited or “wild” instincts brought out in the slave via Project Monarch’s Beta or “Sex Kitten” Programming; and when triggered will perform any action (or sex act) required by the handler.
This form of mind-control essentially destroys the ‘sacred feminine‘ within the female victim, turning them into nothing more than a piece of meat to be used and abused by the handler, at any given time. Women however, are not the only gender who suffer from this form of programming, as many men who have undergone Monarch Programming signify Beta Programming via the animal print clothing they wear.
If you are a parent of young children or teenagers who are considering a career in the entertainment industry, become educated via occult symbolism and keep your children as far away from Hollywood or the entertainment industry as possible. Monarch Programming is destroying the human race one person at a time, the children need to be protected and the best method of doing so is through education and knowledge of these horrendous activities and ultimately non-support to the industries who are perpetrating these crimes against Humanity.
man id love to see this movie in its original cut with all the gloriously bizarre dance numbers and song at the end.