I know exactly what went wrong with Rick and Morty, why it jumped from a good show that was clearly losing quality to absolutely dogshit in a single season, it's all because of the fricking szechuan sauce meme.
Just think about it, at the end of season 3 ep 1 (the last great episode of the series before it started to lose quality) Rick ends the episode shouting about how "avenging his dead family is fake" and he only wants the Mulan mcnugget sauce, clearly it was all a joke to show that Rick is fricking nuts, hilarious, anyway, after the mess that happened in the real world with the McDonald's nugget sauce, I just image Dan Harmon wanting to completely rework the show, he NEVER wants to hear the words "szechuan sauce" again, because he feels that it gives the show, and in turn him, an embarrassing reputation. This show becomes "haha funny intellectual show with pickle and sauce meme" and Dan's ego won't take that. He needs this show to have a positive reputation, which is why he's been injecting himself more and more in the shows writing in an attempt to try and manage a train that derailed years ago.
it was the sudden influx of normie and female writers
>female writers
Misogynistic meme dog whistle, one that's getting old and has been disproven. I will agree that the new writers added to Rick and Morty season three were/are awful writers, and their presence hinders the show, HOWEVER, their writing credits before Rick and Morty were sparse, these women aren't bad writers because they're WOMEN AND WOMEN ARE ICKY AND GROSS AND HAVE COOTIES its because they are unexperienced writers, and that's not even speaking on their educational background in writing (where they studied) which I'm not even going to pretend I know anything about
You don't know much of anything.
>Misogynistic meme dog whistle, one that's getting old and has been disproven. I will agree that the new writers added to Rick and Morty season three were/are awful writers, and their presence hinders the show, HOWEVER, their writing credits before Rick and Morty were sparse, these women aren't bad writers because they're WOMEN AND WOMEN ARE ICKY AND GROSS AND HAVE COOTIES its because they are unexperienced writers, and that's not even speaking on their educational background in writing (where they studied) which I'm not even going to pretend I know anything about
Gem reply
I don't hid behind a mask, yes, misogyny pisses me off.
>m-m-misogyny!
Anon I don't know if it's your goal but you're not going to get free pussy for being like this. Stating a fact is not misogyny just because said fact revolves around incapable women.
>misogynist literally can't fathom a reason a man would defend women beyond wanting to get in their pants
>dodging
Easy concession.
Dodging what? You didn't ask a question, you just assumed I'm pussywhipped and then stated "a fact is not misogyny" when there have been no facts, "women are bad at writing" is not a fact, I don't need to explain or argue with you over this when there's no merit to your statement, example, there's no such thing as gravity. I now expect you to explain to me why I'm wrong.
>fallacy
I'm not here to stroke your ego. If you're this desperate to avoid an honest discussion I'm not giving you any more than what I already have. Address it if you're not scared but we both know that's not going to happen. You're going to continue to dodge and regurgitate the same non-argument.
>can’t prove gravity
I accept your concession.
>literal "no u" response
Thanks for making this easy.
No problem.
>an honest discussion
LMAOO you aren't and haven't been looking for an honest discussion, saying shit like "incapable women" doesn't lead to an "an honest discussion" it leads to an argument about your ignorance, which is all this has been so far. If you want to have an honest discussion, then please, state your views in an brief, concise, and well educated manner
>fallacy
You'll have to try harder than that anon. Thanks for proving me right once again.
Which fallacies specifically? you've claimed I've used a fallacy twice, now you've claimed I've somehow proven you right by not engaging with your non-statements
This entire time you've been engaged it has been on fallacious grounds. Everything you post boils down to "you can't criticize women, it's inherently misogynistic and I hate misogyny." You're not actually addressing points, you're dismissing everything in favor of your narrative.
>You're not actually addressing points
Because you're not MAKING points moron, you're making statements about what you believe that are unfounded and untrue, there's no argument to had here beyond these two views: women are bad or women are fine, I'm not trying to give women any special treatment here, these b***hes that worked on Rick and Morty suck ass at writing but they aren't predestined to be shitty writers if they have a vegana or not
>fallacy
You can attempt to handwave all you want. It's not going to change anything.
You still haven’t proven that gravity is real.
It took me way to long to recognize this as bait, carry on I'm stuffed
>called out for fallacies
>can't find a way out of the corner
>b-b-bait!
Somehow this is less pathetic than another regurgitated post.
The female writers are the reason Pickle Rick is a thing and why that self insert therapist still exists in the show.
>Misogynistic meme dog whistle,
moron dog whistle
Maybe it's more that women writers weren't suited for Rick and Morty.
It was reported they felt uncomfortable from the gross whiteboard drawings that were in the R&M writer's room from day one. If you watch the show it shouldn't be a surprise, but Rick and Morty got popular so women wanted in anyway.
I have the theory that they are terrified of Dan Harmon because just look at him he can barely contain his monstrous amount of creepiness during interview. Imagine having to look at him, having to smell him, having to sit next to him every day. Now imagine doing that while being aware of the fact that you weight 1/3 of what he weights and he can get away with anything
Harmon is a notorious creepy abusive drunk. How he hasn't been "cancelled" yet is beyond me.
>they hated him because he told the truth
>having no arguments he resorts to insults
>listen the badwriters just happen to be women okay? it doesn't mean anything
No, it's women and they suck.
It’s not all female writers (Heather Anne Campbell is one of the better writers on staff) and the men aren’t blameless (the worst writer, Nick Rutherford, is a man) but overall they’ve introduced problems that are pretty uniquely female. For example, the first time a female writer got her hands on the show, she made Summer bawd out for a wastelander because of daddy issues, a blow to her characterization. Similarly this season, the first time a lesbian got her hands on her, she had a weird bisexual fling with a side character just to do it? The female writer who wrote Pickle Rick (which is an episode I do like mostly) did literally toss in a self-insert to BTFO Rick with FACTS and LOGIC, and overall the show’s gender politics has only gotten more obnoxious with time (it’s hilarious to me that Season 1’s Raising Gazorpazorp was the most fun/nuanced/equal feeling tackling of gender in the show, before female writers.)
The blame can’t be put squarely on the shoulders of female writers, but, Beth and Summer have certainly suffered because of some of them.
I think it's fine enough to say changing more than half of the guts of something will probably change it a fair bit, idk why that's so heretical
The one good post S3E1 gender politics gag was the Bechtel Test on Infinity Train.
>dog whistle
Stop using words if you dont know their meaning
My apologies, I assume the term dog whistle means people saying one thing that implies something else, in this case the OP claims women writers are bad which implies all women are worse than men, generally, and overall this one claim contributes to a misogynistic worldview
Suure anon, the reason why Beth and Summer are turned into these slay kween strong womyn who don't need no man (and are actually gay now) is because the writers are inexperienced.
How is complaining about female writers a dog whistle? It's right there it's direct and honest, it has no hidden meaning
. complaining about female writers is a dog whistle what you mean, is that. You don't like female writers...
Why would someone hate women having writing positions and assume all women, literally every single one, would be and are awful writers? Because they don't believe women are equal, that's the dogwhisle, you say "I don't like women writers" which just means "I don't like women"
>people get hired
>do a bad job
>it wasn't their fault
wat
I didn't say that at all, I'm not talking about these women on a personal level, yes it is their fault that their work was bad, they should have waited longer before being put on a show like this, however they were hired to bring more women to the writers room, regardless of their actual talents, and that mistake is the fault of the people who hired them.
Overall, my point here is that "female writers" isn't an argument, just say you hate women and move on so I can ignore you from now on
>these women aren't bad writers because they're WOMEN AND WOMEN ARE ICKY AND GROSS AND HAVE COOTIES its because they are unexperienced writers
The whole reason why Rick and Morty was willing to hire a bunch of inexperienced writers in the first place was precisely BECAUSE they were women. Harmon and whoever else was making these decisions were salivating at the chance to show off how progressive they are for hiring female writers, and how hilarious women are for being on the show, that they willingly took in writers whom you admit aren't as good at what they do. They valued having a "good" ratio of reproductive anatomy in the writers' room over having the best pool of talent they could find.
The reason Cinemaphile hates Rick and Morty's female writers isn't because "women are icky and gross." It's because Rick and Morty's female writers appear to have been hired for being women rather than for being good.
>Rick and Morty's female writers appear to have been hired for being women rather than for being good
I agree with this, however that's not why Cinemaphile hates R&Ms female writers, if it was than there wouldn't always be some gay exclaiming "FEMALE WRITERS" and not elaborating in the slightest every time someone even mentions how Rick and Morty lost quality
Wrong. Did the writers change?
Reasons could be that because of becoming the hot shit that hacks stormed the writers room.
Or they became high on their own fart.
Or they shot their best ideas already and mow are empty.
Interesting theory, OP, I'll actually consider this possibility going forwards.
maybe? i think the show had about a season and a half of decent content and burned through it so they had to just start throwing shit at a wall. people forget there was a huge fight because Harmon was a massive alcoholic butthole who harassed women for the first like 3 seasons for not sleeping with him and his biggest idea was "pickle rick" because he refused to write anything. show just ran out of gas and is just trying to build shit around whatever is left over.
After Season 2 finished, the show was instantly renewed for like 8 more seasons all at once. So they had to delay Rick's character growth and backstory and that's why Season 3 episode 1 is the way it is, why it completely backtracks the Season 2 finale and goes "actually Rick is awesome and was in control the whole time"
>After Season 2 finished, the show was instantly renewed for like 8 more seasons all at once
Actually that renewal happened during the airing of Season 4.
Season 3 Episode 1 was originally supposed to air along with Season 2 Episode 10 as a two-part finale but due to it becoming too dense it got pushed back and Dan wrote that purge parody episode in a single day to fill the extra slot.
That's why roiland was necessary and him getting silently pushed out before his total removal hurt the show. Dan has his head firmly placed up his ass believing he's some big message comedian that his work has meaning and purpose while Justin is 110% haha balls. Together they found an agreeable median
>giving a frick about what your most psychotic, pathetic, and obsessive fans get up to
that's a losing battle, OP
If only Rick had said that he wanted free healthcare and affordable housing sauce.
You're overthinking it. It's just fricking cringe.
it had a cringe fanbase. By the time the obvious negative reception of the cringe fanbase wore off the show wasn't interested in doing anything unique or new enough to regain the spotlight of public consciousness. Fast forward another half-decade, the creator and main voice got outed as a serial abuser/pedo and the whole discourse of the show since has just been awkward attempts to sidestep and hush that.
>serial abuser/pedo
Jesus Christ all he did was punch his girlfriend and flirt with some high school age teens, 50 years ago it'd be a surprise to meet a man who HADN'T done either of those
Hi Justin
>It’s a Diane episode
Dan Harmon definitely fricked the show but it was by bringing in a load of female writers and then community writers and letting his divorce influence the show.
Rewatch season 1 and it's full of wacky shit and good concepts. Now the good concepts are teased as bait and switches for something else.
how does the skin of that robocop feels like?
human-like or rubbery-like?
>Rewatch season 1 and it's full of wacky shit and good concepts
>Posts the episode that's a beat-for-beat ripoff of a Futurama episode
Grass tastes good, actually.
The show got stale. They had an interest idea and it went on for too damned long and it got wasted.
Most shows don't get this bad this quickly, at least not at the starting point of quality the first two seasons were
The problem is everyone associated with Rick & Morty, including fans, think they're smarter than they actually are.
Where is the anime?
The japs are putting the finishing touches on Summer’s jiggle physics. Please be patient,
dunno if true or not but an anime version o this show would absolutely be dozens of times better than season 3 and anything thereafter
Tbh wasn't due to the fact that Justin Roliland just disappear from helping write Rick and Morty after Season 2?
Based on the artbooks and interviews we know he still was utilizing his say in the writer’s room until at least Season 4.
>it jumped from a good show that was clearly losing quality to absolutely dogshit in a single season, it's all because of the fricking szechuan sauce meme.
Just think about it, at the end of season 3 ep 1 (the last great episode of the series before it started to lose quality)
I agree with all of this. Not the rest though, because I think there have been multiple attempts to recapture the virality of szechuan sauce and pickle rick, none of which worked. Also, as you said, season 3 was already dogshit, they didn’t retroactively produce those episodes as a response to the mulan memes. Harmon taking over and ruining things with his “writing style” is just a repeat of what happened with Community.
>I know exactly what went wrong with Rick and Morty
It still makes gorillions of dollars. It doesn't seem that is doing anything "wrong".
>It makes money therefore its good
Hi rabbi!
I dunno why you gays adore this show, Rick and Morty was never good.
Yeah the sauce incident is where it went down hill and wherre I started checking out. The first seasons felt like crack the high was still going then by the sauce point the high is wearing off and you realize you are smoking crack and gotta give it up becuse the high aint their anymore and you are smoking garbage.
And how does that make YOU feel?
>OOOOOOOOOOOHHH IM STRAIGHT UP STEAMING OVER THIS
The show was a hodgepodge of ideas from the beginning and if they wanted any lasting power they shouldn't have kept cutting off story ideas before they started and going with the worst ones instead (sperm episode). Remember how Rick's backstory was fake and then it turned out to be half-true because the writers couldn't think of anything better? Even though it contradicts what Rick said in The Wedding Squanchers?
Rick and Morty has never truly been “zombified” outside of maybe one episode (Hugh Jackman). Yeah it’s flawed but it’s still better than most ongoing cartoons. The ongoing identity crisis of the show has its ups and downs, but I see an overall good forecast in the direction its trending in many ways compared to Season 5. It won’t be what it was, but I still think what it is and will be has value.
No, that's not exactly it, by the time S3E1 aired, the rest of S3 was already recorded, scripted, and likely animated too, so the reception of that first episode wouldn't have been felt until season 4, and season 3 is dogshit beyond that first episode, so it couldn't have been that.
What happened was the show becoming a shit show direction wise with both of the showrunners starting to care less about the show, Justin Roiland giving less and less of his inputs and ideas and remaining just a voice actor because he became starstruck with fame and started doing stupid shit because he's a manic manchild, while Harmon was going through his divorce and getting angry at the audience the show was cultivating because he's also a manchild, giving him less of a reason to put effort in.
Add in the completely new writing staff they got in for S3 (comprised of mostly women) and executive demands since the show was getting increasingly popular and execs wanting to squeeze the show for all it's worth, and you can see why the show went in such a nosedive starting from season 3.
It's true that S3 was fully scripted by the time S3E1 aired, but it's possible that the incident affected the later seasons, particularly since one of the biggest changes in direction of the show was about contradicting the deeper point of that joke. It's more likely that the writers were just out of ideas like
said.
They aren’t the same writers, and they still have some good concepts, they’re just not as talented at structuring episodes as the original team.
Dan Harmon is the man linking all of the seasons, and the show's creative boss.
Can anything save this series or is it too late?
It became too late once the show started making episodes like the dragon one and mortys cum monsters/incest baby
Do you think A Way Back Home should get adapted into the series, without the pornographic material?
Where a non-canon Rick leaves a non-canon Morty in a dimension where he has to be more assertive before he can return to his own dimension, while another Rick and his Morty are sent to the same dimension for punishment and they have to figure out how to get back to their dimensions.
It doesn’t have to be A Way Back Home, but the idea is to explore other dimensions.
What the frick? No, why should a television show ever adapt an episode from a porn comic based on their show you coombrain porn addict, Jesus.
And how did you even extrapolate that from me saying which episodes of the show make it impossible to regain its quality? Because an episode based off porn without the porn would be really fricking stupid
As I was trying to say, I think Dan Harmon should focus on other Ricks and Morties exploring other dimensions, now that there is no longer an “primary antagonist” for Rick C-137.
AWBH was what inspired me into thinking this idea. It would help keep things fresh, since the other dimensional characters would be subtly different from the main characters we’ve been watching.
Some parts of it could be good. Like Morticia and female Rick. Some actual lasting character development would be nice.
Morticia gays are the cringiest little slimeballs on this website
No different from Ranmagays.
One step less cringey than you at least.
Oh geez, Rick, this guy's a real dickhead. Let's get out of here.
Quit being a pussy, Morty! Take this vacuum cleaner and suck him dry!
Holy shit, a comedy show that actually stands up for important social justice issues instead of just making random pop cultural references?
AND it has a writer's room that is actually diverse and properly represented by women of color and not just full of straight white men?
And chuds hate it because they fired a pedo rapist? Did I get that right?
Believe whatever you want to believe.
What do subterranean cannibalistic horse people have to do with Mr. Jellybean?
And didn’t Rick kill him?
Lmao that's a good bit. Throwing one fake one in there.
What, the Voltron ferret episode?
Or are they supposed to be otters?
I'm assuming the last trans one is not real because it sounds too hamfisted. It sounds like something a 15 year old on Twitter would write so I refuse to believe that's actually in the show.
I meant, is the screenshot pulled from that episode? I already know people can make up captions – I was just curious about the source.
Weak bait
>Female comedian gets stage
>Look around
>Audience is confused
>Wew excuse me I was looking for my PENIS
>Laughter
>Grabs mic here it is
>Hysterical laughter
>Don't tell my husband I got one
>Whole room begins trembling
>He may beat me to death
>Audience laughs so hard the glasses and wine bottles shatter
>You know what's special about being married to a white guy?
>Audience at the edge of their seats
>Nothing
>Audience laugh so hard they fall from their seats
>I have to work and cook and clean and take care of a baby
>And we are trying to have our first child
>Audience laughs so hard they trigger the smoke alarm and the room fills with firemen and paramedics
>You know how recycling tags have a number that tells you how long it takes to decompose?
>Well my child will have one may decompose within 9 months
>Audience laugh so hard they being to get heart attacks and strokes and the paramedics try frantically to save their lives
10/10
I giggled
That bottom right one cannot be real, a refuse to believe that this show is THAT stupid.
the bottom right one isnt real, its just stupid bait
>Funny intellectual show
All it did was regurgitate sci-fi tropes and parody movies, the good things about r&m was the characters and they suddenly forgot how to write them
Sooo you think he thought "YEAH I want it to not be embarrassing!" to then add incest all over the place? lmfao
Dan Harmon gets off on revealing his incest fetish to as many people as possible
So you know that episode we've been teasing all season long that'll be really epic and resolve alot of questions that have been left open since the shows beginning? It's actually a meta joke episode about how much we hate you and how you as a fan expect too much from us poor writers. Frick you
you say that when episode 5 of this season exists
Let me guess you hate the characters who are funny b4 they are unlikable
I hate the characters because they aren't funny, Rick was never a likable character he was always a narcissistic pessimist who only did things for his own selfish gain, remember when he made his grandson smuggle huge seeds in his ass that later gave him brain damage? Hilarious
Does anyone else think that Season 3 might be the most carefully constructed season, while Season 4 is the least? That's not to say that 4 is the worst season, but I think that the show was at its most directionless then, and before you bring it up, this has nothing to do with the Story Train episode. Even though Season 3, like all seasons, was mostly episodic, almost every episode was still dedicated to exploring a new angle of the characters, while in Season 4, most episodes didn't change or flesh out the characters beyond what we'd already seen of them. Not only was Season 4 made after nearly every writer from the previous seasons had left, but it was also the first season after the 70 episode order, and so the writers were then trying to figure out what to do with all those seasons rather than writing every season not knowing how many more there would be in the future.
After all the effort and work they put into season 3 didn't pay off (turned out like shit) they probably were just like "frick it if you don't want our "masterfully" constructed story arc and just want poop jokes here you go"
Season 1 was using science to create funny shit then the hacks made cringe stupid lore. Now they just think random nonsense and call it an episode.
Morticia is my frick doll.
The show kept going downhill went the kept doing the everyone gone back normal rather than having Morty progress his character naturally But instead he gets mind wiped randomly and changes when it's convenient
Ex purge ep he became slightly aggressive at the end. The candy bar didn't had anything in it to make him that way
Interdimensioal cable ep morty told summer he was a more understanding morty then the one in dead Morty in the yard
Beth is the only character who changed but didn't felt out of place doing so
Also some plot episodes speed run everything like it's ttg
Least this season is better the last 2 were trash minus the vat of acid one
Proofread before posting.
the show is effectively sperging out, there are episodes with creative ideas and funny jokes but it sometimes just fricks up for no reason, the highs are decent but the lows are really low, like season 5 had some decent last episodes but that sperm episode just did not make sense, season 6 had that selfcest stuff and incest fortune cookie episode, same shit is happening to the current season, there are some good episodes like jerrick, rick prime and the guys who see everything but they just frick it up with shit like the shitty season premiere or the OPEN YOUR MIND episode
i would say that has something to do with the fact that we have multiple writers, some writers actually know what they are doing and other make self inserts, incest and movie references
The last episode was pretty good, honestly, didn't even get close to touching how bad the sperm episode was. First episode of this season was Nick Rutherford writing, so it was guaranteed dogshit from the get-go.