I know I'm crusin' for a bruisin' here, but you're all completely ignoring the emotional core of the film. All the vapid shit I've seen spouted about this movie from some of the people here is ridiculous. Things like how it's just a soulless cashgrab or an excuse to have Batman cameos. I can respect the criticism to the visuals (although I disagree), or to the acting which is very subjective and everyone has their own taste. However, to completely misrepresent the reason a film exists is so disingenuous and that's why you have people criticizing you so vehemently for it (among other reasons outside of the film).
The movie at its core is about a man riddled with pain and guilt and grief. Every piece of dialogue spoke and character shown contribute to helping Barry realize he is the problem and that he must accept fate.
Not only this, the two Barry's are completely different and have a lot of personal layers to them and neither character falls into becoming self-parody, as even plenty of the jokes coincide and change with their personal growth throughout the film.
The villain isn't Zod, or fricking Dark Flash. And the action isn't just there for no reason. Maybe you could excuse this criticism if you were fricking deaf, but even if you can't hear what they're saying the themes are expressed through the scenes visually.
You know what I think? I think you guys just hate anything that approaches themes with honest regard while also not being visual cardboard. That, or you're afraid of going against meme of the week bandwagons against [current thing]. You're all fallacious losers who are too afraid to approach judging this film with any sense of emotional maturity or personal understanding, and the best part? You actually believe it makes you look better. Fricking pathetic.
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Hey, James. Your movie is shit.
Intellectual cowardice.
Honest, understanding, critical opinion. This is what I'm saying we should be doing when discussing films. Not shitting up every thread about each new thing with mindnumbing childlike tantrums and unempathetic, cold, overly-analytical critiques that are based on nothing but the idea that art should be limited to an arbitrary, meaningless ruleset
>Not shitting up every thread about each new thing with mindnumbing childlike tantrums and unempathetic, cold, overly-analytical critiques that are based on nothing but the idea that art should be limited to an arbitrary, meaningless ruleset
Zoomer word salad. Watch a real fricking film.
Nice logical fallacy, loser. Give those baby balls a tug and learn to approach things with honesty
I’ve seen the film, I was morbidly curious. It’s awful, cynical corporate product produced to the requirements of a spreadsheet, devoid of any emotional or artistic merit; visual excrement produced by a mill of underpaid third-world CG artists, starring a mentally-unstable pedophile who manages to pull himself together enough to act to a competent standard in exactly one (1) two-minute scene. It continues Hollywood’s disgusting and predatory trend of relying on nostalgic goodwill wheeling out an aged Michael Keaton and soulless CGI avatars of Christopher Reeve, Helen Slater, George Reeves, Nicolas Cage, Adam West and others for no reason other than giving a stultified audience something to point at as a thing they recognise, wasting Keaton in particular mugging at the camera repeating lines from Batman ‘89 verbatim completely devoid of context yet not even being willing to put forth enough effort to faithfully recreate the Wayne Manor or Batcave of the Burton films. Aesthetically, intellectually, morally and artistically it lands somewhere between contemporary video game cutscene and TikTok video.
Now watch a real fricking film.
Did you not read what I already had to say about baseless nitpicking? And now you're trying to discredit the main actor with lies about them from tabloid articles which went defunct in court, and to whom their "victims" have collectively either magically gone silent upon logical persecution or come out in defense of this supposed aggressor. You really are an intellectual coward
>the film is unwatchable slop devoid of all artistic merit
>baseless nitpicking
You can accuse me of intellectual cowardice all you want but at least I actually have an intellect. You’d have to have the IQ of a brick to enjoy a product like The Flash.
Strawman Fallacy
>I learned some long words from video essays and Reddit posts
Yes that’s nice now how about actually making an argument for the quality of the film that doesn’t exist in the vacuum of the film itself? You do watch real films and not just corporate capeshit, don’t you?
Strawman Fallacy
Fallacy fallacy.
ngl it seems weird singling this movie out for the irl actions of its team - by that standard half of Hollywood’s output (at least) would be out of bounds
Miller’s real-life issues most certainly bleed into his performance. He’s gurning, manic and unstable throughout even when it’s wildly inappropriate for him to be so, only managing to deliver the level of acting seen in his earlier work like We Need to Talk About Kevin in one short scene.
Isn’t that just what the character is? There are at least two points in the script where Old Barry chews Young Barry out for being annoying and neurotic, in one of which he says something like “Now I get why everyone says that about me”
No, the older Barry acts exactly the same way at points. Neither are an appropriate portrayal of the character Barry Allen, a blonde midwestern conservative who works in police forensics. It’s like the filmmakers couldn’t differentiate between Barry Allen, Wally West and Bart Allen and decided to amalgamate them into one particularly confused character.
Well, that would be why Old Barry says he now gets why people say that about him
As for adaptations faithfulness, I tend not to care about that much, but I also haven’t read the sources so I’d totally buy there being better versions of the character and the story out there somewhere
Try the Flashpoint Paradox animated movie. It manages to be a better take on the same story concept in considerably less time.
Flashpoint wasn't being crushed by the weight of 6 other movies that a studio was forcing it to retcon, reference, and commentate
Eh, true, but other movies have had bad productions yet come out great and it feels patronizing to the many good parts of the movie to give it a crutch like that
I say just compare what’s on the screen to what’s on the screen elsewhere and have that be that
I’ll check that out!
I don’t think that’s a particularly good excuse when the animated movie also tied into the ongoing DC animated continuity. Not sure why this didn’t get shelved alongside Batgirl but it probably would have been the smarter move considering how much WB are now likely to lose on releasing it.
Fair enough, I guess. Although, I'm optimistic about it working out fine in the end myself
Can’t hit reply right cause me moronic, will check it out
I hope the anon you're replying to doesn't fall for the trap of arguing with somebody as wilfully ignorant of facts surrounding the real world as you, anon. Go back to your delusional containment thread
Thanks, and 1000% agreed
Flash has actually been really frustrating for me since it has so much to like but falls off a cliff so hard - but feels like it really was only one redraft away from being that best of all time movie everyone was talking about. I kept seeing shadows of that movie, then basically the Zod fight started and soon it all was so underwater it even stained my enjoyment of what is an objectively good scene between Barry and his mom
See what I also don’t get is isn’t thinking about and discussing this stuff just more fun than a dunk that’s done in two seconds?
I think it was probably held back by the fact that it took 10 years and 8 scripts to get it off the ground, followed by a rushed schedule. The heart is there regardless, and I'm looking forward to the next one if they ever get to make it. If not, then at least Muschietti can do Brave and the Bold with more studio confidence and creative leeway without being held back by the baggage of politics surrounding the films before. And yeah I agree it's way more engaging speaking to each other this way. For any onlookers, I hope this goes to show how much more can be said in 2 posts speaking to each other constructively and with humility, instead of spamming senseless BS
Yeah, little more to add, but I agree and hope you have a nice fine day, anon
You as well
okay ezra, now get back to slurpin
>emotional core
>capeshit
Jesus fricking Christ watch one actual real movie in your lifetime you subhuman zoomer troglodyte.
I liked the movie but the third act all but ruins it. It’s never actually clear why changing the multiverse is a bad thing. Should we be assuming the multiverse would have been fine if Edgy Flash hadn’t started cooming lightning everywhere? Sort of tanks the similarity to moving on if so, but that really is what the events seem to say
People just hate DC films no matter what they do, they veer too far from the mainstream, but I think it's good that DC personally goes against the tide.
good point, anon
I agree never know what you’re gonna get from DC going from the dark knight to this
>but I think it's good that DC personally goes against the tide.
I agree with this about DC but you have to understand that the current management do not know what to do with the characters. And then you have pic related to deal with as well. No one talks about him.
>another cgi filled multiverse mess
>going against the tide
Educate yourself. Marvel, DC, they're all capeshit you drooling moron.
The Room's "emotional core" is a neo-Shakespearen tragedy about a man being emotionally betrayed by his lover and his friend. What's your point? You're not actually saying anything about the movies quality. Having an "emotional core" or themes or messages doesn't mean that it's good.
My point was laid out thoroughly already, and you are just making a quick attempt to garner my attention for a dopamine rush or expecting some kind of erratic meltdown so you can sit behind your keyboard and feel like you're above anyone else. I haven't seen The Room. I don't really care to, but a film's worth is based on its expression of its core themes. However you personally interpret them has nothing to do with your own idea of what a film should be. Arbitrary baseless standards ≠ valid criticism. The only honest way to judge art (which is nothing more at its basis than self expression), by how well those themes are conveyed to yourself. If you think the film is shit, go for that. I don't mind. To judge it based on superficial nitpicking and to present that as if it were an ontological fact of its quality is another thing, however
I’d have to think about it more but there’s an argument that it’s that emotional core that made The Room the most legendary bad movie instead of all the random disjointed schlock like Things or Elves or Uwe Boll there’s been throughout history
yea nobody cares to support a criminal israelite
have a nice day
I enjoyed it, myself. Cinemaphile is always like this, I wouldn't get too worked up about it. Cinemaphile has just become a lot of zoomer edgelords and socially awkward millennials trying to fit in with them. It's tumblr but for guys. Same overreaction to anything. There's literally a thread in the catalog right now declaring it the worst movie that anon has seen in his (presumbly 15 years of) life. People shout the same buzzwords, the same memes, have the same arguments, same back-pedals, same gifs. It's robotic, terminally online behaviour.
Anyone who overreacts to a comic book movie is a self-hating nerd. Normies don't give a shit. They don't talk about the broader effects that it will have on the culture. They see a movie if it looks interesting to them, like it or dislike it, and move on.
glad to find some sane souls on this board. i definitely have to leave here soon as i feel like im losing bits and pieces of my sanity everytime i open a thread but yet i keep coming back for some reason.
Honestly I just come to these threads for jokes about Ezra Miller, I don't care about this movie either way.
>t. Lurker.
The Flush
Ezra Miller is the worst part of that movie, he should kill himself.
Another day, another zoomer
and he should do it in his flash suit, kill himself, I mean
Think about the things you posted and why it makes you look like a sick individual with actual mental health issues. Parasocial obsession is not to be taken lightly
imagine defending turbo israelite pedo
That's an impressive wall of text. Now imagine if you had the attention span to watch movies not full of super sayan explosion lasers and supersonic punches.
didn't read any of that
His pre-running pose is absurdly stupid. Raising his leg so high up behind him will cause him to topple forward.
Are we going to have a new brigade of shills like the people who have been claiming for 10 years that BvS is too intelligent for the modern audience?
I don't think enjoying something, or seeing a film or show as something emotionally resonant and valuable to oneself, qualifies as being a shill
Do you guys think Ezra will kill himself because of how much this film failed?
samegay. there's nothing honorable about wishing death on your enemies. to think of murder is as to murder
Do NOT tell this guy there's no adrenochrome at the party
> emotional core of the film
It doesn’t have one. It’s a soulless cashgrab and the “sentimentality” is as fake as it is in an Adam Sandler film. You were tricked because of your low IQ.
Subtext (n.)
>The underlying personality of a dramatic character as implied or indicated by a script or text and interpreted by an actor in performance.
filtered
>I can respect the criticism to the visuals (although I disagree)
Stopped reading here because you have demonstrated you are moronic. They are objectively shit.
Blah blah... shame we can't see any of that in actual movie.
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