Aliens was just a wheel-spinning action retread of Alien.
Alien 3 remedied it, bringing it back to Ripley again. Who gives a flying frick about Newt or Hicks or Bishop?
it's when a movie that nobody wants to make somehow gets made...you get Alien 3.
it's only redeeming quality is how strangely well documented it's moronic production actually was and how much of a directionless, passionless shit show it was.
I just assume all alien 3 threads are pure bait because most people aren't moronic enough to actually like such a bad movie, but the first Alien is not at all "about Ripley"
You clearly need to go back and watch Alien again, it's very much so an ensemble affair. Weaver doesn't command much screen time at all for the majority of the movie especially the first half or so and she barely has any lines or does anything of any real importance. She is merely the crew member who survives. it is indeed Aliens that is, by comparison, fixated on Ripley giving her way more characterization.
bait but it's still moronic. why should you watch a movie, ANY movie, if the results of the movie can just be undone off-screen between installments with the stroke of a pen.
it means there is literally no reason to root for any of the protagonists.
They should have abandoned Ripley and her story with Aliens and then moved onto a Prometheus style different exploration afterwards.
Ripley's continued involvement was less about the narrative at some point and more indicative of how the studios see films as a product. Weaver became a big star and they use the stars to shill the film. The xenos were really the feature attraction but they can't go on press tours or do interviews on late night talk shows, or get nominated for golden globes or whatever. The stars are the face of the marketing machine
I know it's cliche to bring up the comics at this point but they continued the story just fine with Riley not even appearing at all in the first story arc. They acknowledged her existence and influence but they weren't like "literally nothing can happen without her involvement." But the comics didn't cost tens of millions to produce so they could afford to go out on a limb. Studios are chickenshit so we got "just make Alien again with the same actress"
truth.
if someone doesn't like alien 3 because it killed off their favorite cartoonesque characters, they don't care about cinema and should stick to tv shows
It's been pretty well documented that the production was fricked from the start by studio interference.
Also didn't help that multiple directors joined and quit production, the story/script was rewritten multiple times and sigourney weaver was acting like a pre madonna.
>Ripley becomes a better soldier than marines >Ripley pilots a mecha >"GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVER!" >there's an alien queen >loveable child actor >"They mostly come at night. Mostly." >Ripley fights the alien queen like a boss! >heccin wholesome alien fighting family ending! 😀
That was basically the point of the film. Fox gambled that general audiences would be into a depressing, existential scifi horror film. Over the years, its bleakness has been compared to films like Salo, Threads, Shame, Elephant, Come and See, etc. Given the mood of the US in the early 90s, the filmmakers wanted to milk misery for cash.
>Hey guys here's your new alien movie, it takes place on a fricking badass prison planet
So there are like thousands of people on this planet, and all of them are potential victims for the alien? cool! >No, actually there are only like 20 prisoners
Oh so the prison houses like the 20 most dangerous men in the galaxy? I some of them have really crazy backstories. >No, they're in jail for having extra chromosomes or something lol
After Aliens, everyone was expecting the battle to shift to earth. Instead they killed of characters people liked and we got this fricking boring abomination instead.
was expecting sulaco to be rerouted to some secret WY bio-lab/station while the survivors were sleeping, then they would do some escaping and fighting there, the usual alien infestation would pop up again, then some space flying and fighting again
They made a comic book that was that, then turned it into a couple of novels starring completely original characters that just coincidentally have stories identical to everyone in Aliens
On one hand, it's written and directed by a guy with a really good track record.
On the other, it's supposedly thirty years before Alien so it would have to be the most Surf Dracula thing imaginable. You can't actually have aliens showing decades before you find LV-426.
>You can't actually have aliens showing decades before you find LV-426.
Unless: They found Davids alien assembly line colo-ship and surprise he will be still alive. He´ll tell them; Hey, I know where the OG engineer ship is crash landed. They´ll dig it up, tow it back, David will hijack it, hypnotizing them playing the flute, he transfers his perfect Orgasm´s to the cargo engi ship, protag of the show get´s the upper hand, will be the lone survivor, get´s in the Chair steering it away from earth, to save Civilization or whatever. >This is officer not Ellen Ripley signing off
But, OH NO, she was raped by a facehugger before hand, crash lands on LV.
And that is how Weyland knew where to look. >member that bio weapons program that blew up our black ops science station back then ? >yeah, what ever happen to that ? maybe we should check now that the dust has settled over that debacle.
Alien 3 is good though. Never seen any actual good criticism of it either, it always just boils down to "but muh newt and muh Hicks". Like who gives a frick, especially about Newt since she was written so shittily and badly acted.
There's no way there was ANOTHER fricking alien on the spaceship after the queen was booted out of the airlock.
Ripley gets raped while she's frozen? How the frick does that even work?
We spend an hour of character development on a new character who gets killed off immediately after we hear his backstory for le epic shock value and Ryan Johnson tier subversion.
The movie drags out after the halfway point and we need a character to act completely illogically for the movie to go on for another hour.
Less people would've died if the Alien had won in the first movie instead of Ripley.
>Never seen any actual good criticism of it either, it always just boils down to "but muh newt and muh Hicks".
As if that isn't a legitimate critique?
But also: >opening sequence that makes no sense and relies on the presence of an egg that appears literally out of nowhere >a horde of interchangeable new characters you don't care about >bad special effects, a first for the series >story that doesn't bring anything new to the series >over-reliance on blood and gore >a general lack of tension >dismal atmosphere, pointless nihilism and cruelty
It's the result of pretentious edgelords and a studio that didn't care.
Alien 3 is bad because there are plot holes. Like at some point they say they have no weapons on the planet, but then they find barrels worth of some explosive chemical, and instead of making bombs and flamethrowers , they just sprinkle it in ventilation and give every moron a sparkle device. There is also a room that can be used for trapping alien, but it can also serve as shelter, they could have barickaded themselves there, but they didn't. They also can make spears, nets, armor, swords, since they have a fricking forge. But they don't do shit.
> they find barrels worth of some explosive chemical, and instead of making bombs and flamethrowers , they just sprinkle it in ventilation and give every moron a sparkle device
They needed a big explosion. That massive cast of nobodies isn't going to kill itself.
>Never seen any actual good criticism of it either
That's because it's very hard to describe why something is "just boring". It's like trying to describe to someone exactly WHY shit tastes bad. "It's just... tangy, you know? A-and it tastes like... shit". There's just so much you can say.
>Never seen any actual good criticism of it either
liar
the writers treated the audience like morons.
theres at least two eggs on the sulaco.
no attempt to set up how or why they were there.
oh and one has special features that we are not going to set up, it just makes a queen because .... so the movie can happen.
frick alien 3 and anyone that defends this total waste of potential
Nah gay frick you. I marathoned the entire series in like 3 or 4 days
I loved Alien, I enjoyed Aliens but felt it lost the tone of the original. It became a cameron movie (I love cameron but not the same thing) and the alien lost its mystique and just became a giant reptile bug that you could just shoot bullets at. A very competent movie but far, far less interesting
I thought Alien 3 was a return to form in some ways and I really liked the setting. It jumped ahead several decades and added another layer of surrealism
Resurrection was.. okay.. fun, but it felt like shlock.
Prometheus is good but feels dumb. Covenant, same thing. Actually depressing in a way, it felt like a regression. I don't think Romulus will be any good at all
I thought of all the sequels 3 had the most character and uniqueness. And this is my unironic opinion, chudlord.
Maybe it's because I saw a post release edition (I'm honestly not sure which one I saw) but I liked it a lot.
exactly this,
you like alien do you? want to see more movies?
well heres a boring runaround that ends with everyone dead.
the golden rule is; 'always leave them wanting more'
not; 'let them eat shit'
the only thing missing is demonising the fans for hating it.
>you like alien do you? want to see more movies? >well heres a boring runaround that ends with everyone dead.
Alien 3 really a godsend. Last thing we need is Alien becoming Disney Star Wars.
>this franchise has been slop since 1986, there's literally nowhere to go but up
FTFY, Cameron makes slop for the masses.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
cameron makes a pizza
its a pizza that everyone remembers and changes the way everyone makes pizza from now on,
until morons forget how to make pizzas and start blaming people for not liking their shitty, greasy, bland pizzas.
Cameron was the best thing to happen to the alien story and that will always be true.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
GAME OVER MAN
GAYM OVER
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
what are you trying to say?
bad dialogue?
Hudson was a memorable character and did some comic relief lines.
he has a sort of character arc too, being a blowhard, a bit cowardly, but he goes down like a warrior.
one of many, many reasons to like Aliens.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Stop taking everything so personally.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
stop yer grinnin and drop yer linen
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's more like Alien was a line ravioli but then Cameron made it into Domino's Pizza.
3 is just bad. I don't even really care about killing off Hicks and Newt (although it's ridiculous to think Ripley would miss some alien eggs aboard their craft) the worst offense are the dismal special effects, especially coming after the amazing effects from the first two films. The prison planet was an interesting idea (however impractical it would be in reality) but that unfortunately relegates most of the characters as indistinguishable from one another. They almost all look at talk the same (obviously with a handful of exceptions). It's hard to get attached to them, unlike the charismatic characters from the first two films. Rez, while silly French nonsense most of the time, is more fun and engaging, and the effects are top notch
>It's hard to get attached to them, unlike the charismatic characters from the first two films.
Who in Alien 1 or 2 had half the charisma of Charles Dance?
It’s boring and repetitive. Even if you accept it’s going in the opposite direction as ALIENS the last hour is people running around tunnels and closing doors and running to new areas and closing more doors. It’s silly and it’s dull. The ending is full hack, especially when it bursts out of her chest as she falls.
This. Alien3 is just a re-hash of the original but worse in pretty much every way. Why watch it when the first one exists? There's no point to it existing.
The only way they're really similar is that it's back to basics and everyone is just back to being a survivor with no formidable weapons and one alien. Meanwhile Aliens is beat for beat the same movie as the original in a lot of ways, it just tricked people into thinking it was radically different because it had more explosions and guns.
that's not true at all
the alien is great in the original movie because of the sort of mystic qualities
it wasn't just OP it defied all logic and convention
Aliens made it into a bug.
>nah JC just nerfed them so he could have a fun action movie. >muh perfect organism! >muh killing alien machine! >muh acid blood!
Is just some fricking dumb space bug
lol
just shoot it in the head and it will die
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
exactly >you got the big guns this time right? alright Let's kill some bugs boys HOO AH
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
because it isnt a perfect organism if it cant build spaceships and sophisticated weaponry doofus
yeah nah
not all questions are answered but it stops being this godlike OP creature and just turns into a pretty strong insect
Put it this way: in the original Alien the goal of the movie is just so survive
In Aliens, the point is to DEFEAT the alien. Which means effective weaknesses must be established. And that's just not as interesting.
I don't want to see a military unit figure out how to kill this thing, especially not if the solution is just "uhh idk shoot it in the head worked fine on Kennedy"
>stops being this godlike OP creature
you're a fool for ever having believed that. it's godlike to essentially unarmed people and that's it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
see
I just don't like the element at all
I'd be fine if the series never included machine guns. The first one works because they are on a remote ship and totally unprepared
I don't think, conceptually, the """"""""""xenomorph"""""""" works in an actual war setting.
The character is limited and JC took it in a direction which exposed those limitations.
to further understand my viewpoint.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Even then the inability to hurt it was 95% because making it bleed means you die when shit eats through your hull, not that it was some invulnerable thing
>Which means effective weaknesses must be established.
the weakness obviously being that it does not handle technology.
the xenomorph is naked and unarmed. if anything WE are godlike to it
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
yeah. bo-ring
it's like saying "what if luke skywalker had a nuke"
Well the genres changed. Alien was basically a space slasher done exceptionally well. Aliens is scifi action done exceptionally well. Only problem with aliens is, you can replace xenomorphs with anything you want, it won't really change anything in the movie. Kinda Rambo 2 to Alien's Rambo
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Only problem with aliens is, you can replace xenomorphs with anything you want, it won't really change anything in the movie
well said.
I like how people still are trying to pretend that Alien is not just a typical slasher-horror movie, there is not difference between a xeno and the killer from scream
similar vein but too reductive.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Aliens isn't action tho. It's scarier than Alien even which is just a generic slasher
Aliens I liked the designs and it was high quality, but it was also very by the numbers. Rez actually was fun. >Wey-yu bought out by Walmart >Spliced Ripley wrecking shit >French cinematography >moronic smugglers >Wynona >Pearlman
Entire movie is pointless >beginning of movie - Ripley is sad and depressed, has no reason to live >end of movie - Ripley is sad and depressed, kills herself
There's literally no reason to watch it because everyone Ripley meets during the movie dies and no one cares
Doesn't help that you don't care about the characters Ripley meets dying either, there's like 1.5 remotely likable characters in among the scumbags and nothings
I like how people still are trying to pretend that Alien is not just a typical slasher-horror movie, there is not difference between a xeno and the killer from scream
If anything Aliens frick up by turning xenos into canon fodder. The marines are literally in the tunnels, perfect hunting ground for xenomorphs. Instead of taking out marines one by one aliens just stage this large attack and die.
Alien 3 is bad because there are plot holes. Like at some point they say they have no weapons on the planet, but then they find barrels worth of some explosive chemical, and instead of making bombs and flamethrowers , they just sprinkle it in ventilation and give every moron a sparkle device. There is also a room that can be used for trapping alien, but it can also serve as shelter, they could have barickaded themselves there, but they didn't. They also can make spears, nets, armor, swords, since they have a fricking forge. But they don't do shit.
I like Aliens but the rabid fanbois piss me off. They want endless fricking retreads of Cameron's movie. The movie is over 30 fricking years old, get over Hicks/Newt already.
I'm glad Blomkamp's moronic retcon/remake of Aliens got canned, that would have completely nuked the franchise. I don't know about Romulus but nothing could be as bad as that shit idea.
Terminator did that, first was a slasher/horror movie. Second was an epic crowd-pleasing action movie. Every movie after that tried to emulate the second one until it just became a bottomless pit of mediocrity.
Its been said a million times, the studio didnt give a shit, some exec literally said who cares, it could just be a black screen for an hour and people will still pay to see it. Troubled production, different scripts, tons of rewrites. That bit in Covenant that you get infected with the Alien by spores and albino Aliens was from one of the scripts for Alien 3 (written by William Gibson author of Neuromancer).
David was a great character, I loved the interactions with Walter. Some of the designs of the engineer world took new Giger inspiration, had an otherworldly tone not seen since the original.
But there's no denying it got absolutely shitted up by the studio insisting on "le alien in a space station" and Black person sex.
I watched a marathon and didnt know, dude aliens ends on ripley and newt and 3 was just like... lol died. Never had seen aliens 3 also the rape gulag as a setting was a fricking weird choice and so limiting and bland. >that fricking alien
Kind of creepy mostly moronic probably my favorite thing about the film
>dude aliens ends on ripley and newt and 3 was just like... lol died
I'm certain the director did that on purpose to "shock" the audience, being he a well known hack and all
The director didn't do anything on purpose. It was all just tossed together in a jumble trying to make it work. They couldn't even get a fricking logical reason to justify the movie existing so just said "lol put in some magical eggs that were hiding in the corner who cares"
why are they so stupid and can't understand such a simple concept as a character going off to do other things? >The ship makes it back >Newt goes off to live with her Grandparents >Hicks has to go back to the Marines >Ripley is alone again
bam, you don't need them in your movie. These complete imbeciles think killing is the only way to remove a character or "end" a character's storyline satisfactorily.
Alien had the same ending. Ripley made it out with her Jonesy. None of these movies REQUIRED some ultra depressing ending where everyone dies. The three of them making it to Earth fine is just as much an ending as the three of them dying horrifically for no reason on some random prison world.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Alien had the same ending. Ripley made it out with her Jonesy.
Alien ended with Ripley being lost in space.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Literally the exact same ending for both movies. She's in space drifting towards Earth. Aliens decided that they missed her and she kept floating but was then found. Not sad nor depressing nor making the Alien movies required to have miserable fates for all characters.
Cameron’s fanboys, the predecessor of the marvelcucks, hated it because it wasn’t a generic 80s rooty tooty aim and shooty and killed off the obnoxious child character and Kyle Reese.
Alien 3 is worth it just for the legendary amount of seethe and butthurt it generates to this day. I love Aliens but its fanboys take this movie so fricking personally and it's hilarious. I can't think of a better pleb filter.
>Ripley becomes a better soldier than marines >Ripley pilots a mecha >"GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVER!" >there's an alien queen >loveable child actor >"They mostly come at night. Mostly." >Ripley fights the alien queen like a boss! >heccin wholesome alien fighting family ending! 😀
The original version would have been good. A satellite inhabited by monks and Ripley lands there bringing a demon into their society. Would have been at least competent and worthy of discussion. The rewritten version took the elements but removed all the interesting themes like Ripley being a Lilith that births the end of the of world.
the first script for alien three had an alien egg growing out of the organic components of bishops guts.
its an asspull but its an attempt to come up with a reason for there being an alien so the story can continue in alien 3.
after 3 years of re-writes i guess everyone forgot that they needed a reason at all.
This is why compromising a project too much makes something that pleases no-one.
but nobody in Hollywood has tha capacity to learn from these expensive mistakes because the same shittening process happened to promethius
>The FX Alien TV show, set to be released in 2025, marks the franchise's first foray into television and offers a new direction for the Xenomorphs. Despite delays due to the pandemic and the SAG-AFTRA strike, production on the show is progressing slowly but smoothly, according to showrunner Noah Hawley.
a t-shirt
those white pads moved over to cover the nips.
a thicker tape covering the whole nipple.
or; none of the above.
no wonder you cant see this in the finished film, what were they thinking?
Ridley wanted to portray the future as more sexually open. That crews would be nude around each other and not a big deal like in starship troopers. And that they'd be out in space together that sex wouldn't be too big a deal either and there's a deleted scene of Ripley banging Dallas
makes sense, but if it wasnt a big deal being nude, there would be no need for tape at all
Starship troopers did that thing so much better with the unisex shower
Aliens was just a wheel-spinning action retread of Alien.
Alien 3 remedied it, bringing it back to Ripley again. Who gives a flying frick about Newt or Hicks or Bishop?
it's when a movie that nobody wants to make somehow gets made...you get Alien 3.
it's only redeeming quality is how strangely well documented it's moronic production actually was and how much of a directionless, passionless shit show it was.
I just assume all alien 3 threads are pure bait because most people aren't moronic enough to actually like such a bad movie, but the first Alien is not at all "about Ripley"
You clearly need to go back and watch Alien again, it's very much so an ensemble affair. Weaver doesn't command much screen time at all for the majority of the movie especially the first half or so and she barely has any lines or does anything of any real importance. She is merely the crew member who survives. it is indeed Aliens that is, by comparison, fixated on Ripley giving her way more characterization.
bait but it's still moronic. why should you watch a movie, ANY movie, if the results of the movie can just be undone off-screen between installments with the stroke of a pen.
it means there is literally no reason to root for any of the protagonists.
Who gives a frick about Ripley. The Alien franchise was fricking rekt by hanging onto that haggard troon.
Cringe.
Ripley's continued involvement was less about the narrative at some point and more indicative of how the studios see films as a product. Weaver became a big star and they use the stars to shill the film. The xenos were really the feature attraction but they can't go on press tours or do interviews on late night talk shows, or get nominated for golden globes or whatever. The stars are the face of the marketing machine
I know it's cliche to bring up the comics at this point but they continued the story just fine with Riley not even appearing at all in the first story arc. They acknowledged her existence and influence but they weren't like "literally nothing can happen without her involvement." But the comics didn't cost tens of millions to produce so they could afford to go out on a limb. Studios are chickenshit so we got "just make Alien again with the same actress"
truth.
if someone doesn't like alien 3 because it killed off their favorite cartoonesque characters, they don't care about cinema and should stick to tv shows
Aliens was great and so was Alien 3 not adhering to the happy ending trope. The Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 Ripley arc trilogy is near perfect.
>The Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 Ripley arc trilogy is near perfect.
What detracts from it?
There's a difference between sad and "frick you nothing matters" ending
>Who gives a flying frick about Newt or Hicks or Bishop?
It's been pretty well documented that the production was fricked from the start by studio interference.
Also didn't help that multiple directors joined and quit production, the story/script was rewritten multiple times and sigourney weaver was acting like a pre madonna.
>pre madonna
Alien 3 is cautionary tale of over zealous producers micro managing a project to complete obliteration
It was a fine film, damnit!
Look I've given it fair chances over the years and gone back and forth, and it's really just not good at all, including the workprint.
“I’m a murderer and rapist of women!”
“I’m a murderer and rapist of women!”
>the atmosphere
The whole movie just felt miserable
Yes, horror movies tend to be like that.
First Alien was tense but it didn't feel like the whole journey was meaningless
That was basically the point of the film. Fox gambled that general audiences would be into a depressing, existential scifi horror film. Over the years, its bleakness has been compared to films like Salo, Threads, Shame, Elephant, Come and See, etc. Given the mood of the US in the early 90s, the filmmakers wanted to milk misery for cash.
I like the setting of the film a prison planet is a cool idea
>Hey guys here's your new alien movie, it takes place on a fricking badass prison planet
So there are like thousands of people on this planet, and all of them are potential victims for the alien? cool!
>No, actually there are only like 20 prisoners
Oh so the prison houses like the 20 most dangerous men in the galaxy? I some of them have really crazy backstories.
>No, they're in jail for having extra chromosomes or something lol
Alien>alien3>aliens
>t. homosexual
Wrong.
After Aliens, everyone was expecting the battle to shift to earth. Instead they killed of characters people liked and we got this fricking boring abomination instead.
was expecting sulaco to be rerouted to some secret WY bio-lab/station while the survivors were sleeping, then they would do some escaping and fighting there, the usual alien infestation would pop up again, then some space flying and fighting again
They made a comic book that was that, then turned it into a couple of novels starring completely original characters that just coincidentally have stories identical to everyone in Aliens
still 100x more memorable than poometheus and the other one
All 4 Alien movies are great, they're just two different between each other.
2 and 4 are more similar, just like 1 and 3.
And now they're making a TV-show of Alien. Will it be good?
On one hand, it's written and directed by a guy with a really good track record.
On the other, it's supposedly thirty years before Alien so it would have to be the most Surf Dracula thing imaginable. You can't actually have aliens showing decades before you find LV-426.
It's the origin story of the Engineers.
...isn't that what Prometheus already is?
Prometheus is just a bad movie that doesn't explain shit and mitwids love it because of it
oh no..... OH NO !!! They will do it wont they ? they will link the shitty Prometheus and alien with this stupid show. I already hate this
Prometheus is already an alternate universe not canon to the original movie so who cares. It's all just a reboot
>You can't actually have aliens showing decades before you find LV-426.
Unless: They found Davids alien assembly line colo-ship and surprise he will be still alive. He´ll tell them; Hey, I know where the OG engineer ship is crash landed. They´ll dig it up, tow it back, David will hijack it, hypnotizing them playing the flute, he transfers his perfect Orgasm´s to the cargo engi ship, protag of the show get´s the upper hand, will be the lone survivor, get´s in the Chair steering it away from earth, to save Civilization or whatever.
>This is officer not Ellen Ripley signing off
But, OH NO, she was raped by a facehugger before hand, crash lands on LV.
And that is how Weyland knew where to look.
>member that bio weapons program that blew up our black ops science station back then ?
>yeah, what ever happen to that ? maybe we should check now that the dust has settled over that debacle.
they werent. they just wanted more money, banking on franchisesloppers to lap it up.
Alien 3 is good though. Never seen any actual good criticism of it either, it always just boils down to "but muh newt and muh Hicks". Like who gives a frick, especially about Newt since she was written so shittily and badly acted.
>she was written so shittily and badly acted.
more bait
>everyone who disagrees with me is baiting, have a downvote
you have to go back
There's no way there was ANOTHER fricking alien on the spaceship after the queen was booted out of the airlock.
Ripley gets raped while she's frozen? How the frick does that even work?
We spend an hour of character development on a new character who gets killed off immediately after we hear his backstory for le epic shock value and Ryan Johnson tier subversion.
The movie drags out after the halfway point and we need a character to act completely illogically for the movie to go on for another hour.
Less people would've died if the Alien had won in the first movie instead of Ripley.
>Never seen any actual good criticism of it either, it always just boils down to "but muh newt and muh Hicks".
As if that isn't a legitimate critique?
But also:
>opening sequence that makes no sense and relies on the presence of an egg that appears literally out of nowhere
>a horde of interchangeable new characters you don't care about
>bad special effects, a first for the series
>story that doesn't bring anything new to the series
>over-reliance on blood and gore
>a general lack of tension
>dismal atmosphere, pointless nihilism and cruelty
It's the result of pretentious edgelords and a studio that didn't care.
> they find barrels worth of some explosive chemical, and instead of making bombs and flamethrowers , they just sprinkle it in ventilation and give every moron a sparkle device
They needed a big explosion. That massive cast of nobodies isn't going to kill itself.
>>a general lack of tension
It's like you people didn't watch Aliens and remember Newt.
atmosphere, pointless nihilism and cruelty
Why are Cameroncucks like this?
>Never seen any actual good criticism of it either
That's because it's very hard to describe why something is "just boring". It's like trying to describe to someone exactly WHY shit tastes bad. "It's just... tangy, you know? A-and it tastes like... shit". There's just so much you can say.
also, people who have no attention span tend to also have poor language skills and be bad at describing things in general.
>nothing is boring, you just have a short attention span
Ok buddy
>Never seen any actual good criticism of it either
liar
the writers treated the audience like morons.
theres at least two eggs on the sulaco.
no attempt to set up how or why they were there.
oh and one has special features that we are not going to set up, it just makes a queen because .... so the movie can happen.
frick alien 3 and anyone that defends this total waste of potential
>no attempt to set up how or why they were there
It rolled in when the space suction happened at the end of 2 and wedged in a corner
>rolled in when the space suction happened
sauce; your ass
great job
>it just makes a queen because .... so the movie can happen.
I was fine with that. Bugs can change into matriarchs given the right setup up.
I actually liked it a lot. I liked it better than Aliens. I liked it better than Resurrection, and Prometheus, and Covenant tbh.
What is seriously so bad about Alien Cubed?
its fans who like a bad movie just for the sake of being different, a fricking special snowflake
Nah gay frick you. I marathoned the entire series in like 3 or 4 days
I loved Alien, I enjoyed Aliens but felt it lost the tone of the original. It became a cameron movie (I love cameron but not the same thing) and the alien lost its mystique and just became a giant reptile bug that you could just shoot bullets at. A very competent movie but far, far less interesting
I thought Alien 3 was a return to form in some ways and I really liked the setting. It jumped ahead several decades and added another layer of surrealism
Resurrection was.. okay.. fun, but it felt like shlock.
Prometheus is good but feels dumb. Covenant, same thing. Actually depressing in a way, it felt like a regression. I don't think Romulus will be any good at all
I thought of all the sequels 3 had the most character and uniqueness. And this is my unironic opinion, chudlord.
Maybe it's because I saw a post release edition (I'm honestly not sure which one I saw) but I liked it a lot.
Ahh yes, Alien 3.. the Star Wars: TLJ of the 80s..
90s zoomzoom
exactly this,
you like alien do you? want to see more movies?
well heres a boring runaround that ends with everyone dead.
the golden rule is; 'always leave them wanting more'
not; 'let them eat shit'
the only thing missing is demonising the fans for hating it.
>you like alien do you? want to see more movies?
>well heres a boring runaround that ends with everyone dead.
Alien 3 really a godsend. Last thing we need is Alien becoming Disney Star Wars.
But that's already happened many times over, and started with 4
o hai, i haz bad news
alien is now a disney product and the slop will begin later this year
I welcome the threads.
At least 3 still exists and there's nothing Aliens fanboys can do about it.
>alien is now a disney product and the slop will begin later this year
this franchise has been slop since 1992, there's literally nowhere to go but up
>this franchise has been slop since 1986, there's literally nowhere to go but up
FTFY, Cameron makes slop for the masses.
cameron makes a pizza
its a pizza that everyone remembers and changes the way everyone makes pizza from now on,
until morons forget how to make pizzas and start blaming people for not liking their shitty, greasy, bland pizzas.
Cameron was the best thing to happen to the alien story and that will always be true.
GAME OVER MAN
GAYM OVER
what are you trying to say?
bad dialogue?
Hudson was a memorable character and did some comic relief lines.
he has a sort of character arc too, being a blowhard, a bit cowardly, but he goes down like a warrior.
one of many, many reasons to like Aliens.
Stop taking everything so personally.
stop yer grinnin and drop yer linen
It's more like Alien was a line ravioli but then Cameron made it into Domino's Pizza.
Alien Isolation was the only good thing to come out of the franchise in 30 years
We got Resurrection which made the ending meaningless
3 is just bad. I don't even really care about killing off Hicks and Newt (although it's ridiculous to think Ripley would miss some alien eggs aboard their craft) the worst offense are the dismal special effects, especially coming after the amazing effects from the first two films. The prison planet was an interesting idea (however impractical it would be in reality) but that unfortunately relegates most of the characters as indistinguishable from one another. They almost all look at talk the same (obviously with a handful of exceptions). It's hard to get attached to them, unlike the charismatic characters from the first two films. Rez, while silly French nonsense most of the time, is more fun and engaging, and the effects are top notch
>It's hard to get attached to them, unlike the charismatic characters from the first two films.
Who in Alien 1 or 2 had half the charisma of Charles Dance?
prime michael biehn moggs dance HARD
oh and bill paxton and carrie henn too
>Alien 3 is bad
You should see Alien 4
>Alien 3 is somehow a good movie because Alien 4 is a worse movie
never implied that
>no one ITT is even going to attempt to explain why alien^3 is bad let alone defend any of the other sequels
It’s boring and repetitive. Even if you accept it’s going in the opposite direction as ALIENS the last hour is people running around tunnels and closing doors and running to new areas and closing more doors. It’s silly and it’s dull. The ending is full hack, especially when it bursts out of her chest as she falls.
Alien 4 is worse
honestly if I had seen 3 without seeing the first two I might have thought it was a bad movie
I really thought Aliens was tortuously repetitive. It was relentlessly tense but not in a way I could savor.
This. Alien3 is just a re-hash of the original but worse in pretty much every way. Why watch it when the first one exists? There's no point to it existing.
This. I remember when Ripley was almost raped by her crew until Dallas saved her.
So the great differentiator between the movie is "Ripley almost gets raped". Wow, great film.
The only way they're really similar is that it's back to basics and everyone is just back to being a survivor with no formidable weapons and one alien. Meanwhile Aliens is beat for beat the same movie as the original in a lot of ways, it just tricked people into thinking it was radically different because it had more explosions and guns.
Sis, I don't know how to tell you this but Aliens is literally a rehash of Them! from 1954.
I've seen that film, and it really isn't.
because the alien itself is a weak horror character
that's not true at all
the alien is great in the original movie because of the sort of mystic qualities
it wasn't just OP it defied all logic and convention
Aliens made it into a bug.
Yeah but once we learned more about them in Aliens they lost those mystic qualities, same reason why Predator 2 wasn't up to the first movie.
that's what I mean
"learned more" nah JC just nerfed them so he could have a fun action movie.
>nah JC just nerfed them so he could have a fun action movie.
>muh perfect organism!
>muh killing alien machine!
>muh acid blood!
Is just some fricking dumb space bug
lol
just shoot it in the head and it will die
exactly
>you got the big guns this time right? alright Let's kill some bugs boys HOO AH
because it isnt a perfect organism if it cant build spaceships and sophisticated weaponry doofus
if the xenomorph was resistant to machine-gun fire it would be groan-inducing
I just don't like the element at all
I'd be fine if the series never included machine guns. The first one works because they are on a remote ship and totally unprepared
I don't think, conceptually, the """"""""""xenomorph"""""""" works in an actual war setting.
The character is limited and JC took it in a direction which exposed those limitations.
you cannot not expose those limitations without doing an actual rip-off of alien
you're right
honestly the series should have never been a series at all. but I still slop it up into my pig fricking mouth
there is plenty of mysticism left after aliens
>where did they come from
>how intelligent are they
>is there a wider threat for mankind out there
yeah nah
not all questions are answered but it stops being this godlike OP creature and just turns into a pretty strong insect
Put it this way: in the original Alien the goal of the movie is just so survive
In Aliens, the point is to DEFEAT the alien. Which means effective weaknesses must be established. And that's just not as interesting.
I don't want to see a military unit figure out how to kill this thing, especially not if the solution is just "uhh idk shoot it in the head worked fine on Kennedy"
>stops being this godlike OP creature
you're a fool for ever having believed that. it's godlike to essentially unarmed people and that's it.
see
to further understand my viewpoint.
Even then the inability to hurt it was 95% because making it bleed means you die when shit eats through your hull, not that it was some invulnerable thing
>Which means effective weaknesses must be established.
the weakness obviously being that it does not handle technology.
the xenomorph is naked and unarmed. if anything WE are godlike to it
yeah. bo-ring
it's like saying "what if luke skywalker had a nuke"
Well the genres changed. Alien was basically a space slasher done exceptionally well. Aliens is scifi action done exceptionally well. Only problem with aliens is, you can replace xenomorphs with anything you want, it won't really change anything in the movie. Kinda Rambo 2 to Alien's Rambo
>Only problem with aliens is, you can replace xenomorphs with anything you want, it won't really change anything in the movie
well said.
similar vein but too reductive.
Aliens isn't action tho. It's scarier than Alien even which is just a generic slasher
and they addressed nothing of those points in Alien 3, instead we got the last adventure of bald ripley in planet prison sodomy
>Alien 3 is bad because.... it just is, okay?!?
Action movies are gay. At least the horror alien films can pretend to have subtext about rape and evolution.
For me it's Alien = Rez > Aliens > Cubed
Aliens I liked the designs and it was high quality, but it was also very by the numbers. Rez actually was fun.
>Wey-yu bought out by Walmart
>Spliced Ripley wrecking shit
>French cinematography
>moronic smugglers
>Wynona
>Pearlman
You have shit taste beyond comprehension.
Thinking aliens>rez is equivalent to going "mom vegetables are gross"
Entire movie is pointless
>beginning of movie - Ripley is sad and depressed, has no reason to live
>end of movie - Ripley is sad and depressed, kills herself
There's literally no reason to watch it because everyone Ripley meets during the movie dies and no one cares
Doesn't help that you don't care about the characters Ripley meets dying either, there's like 1.5 remotely likable characters in among the scumbags and nothings
The black sheep of the trilogy
i see what you did there
what did I do there
What? There is a 4th movie in the franchise
3 had some cool ideas and was totally fricked over by rewrites and other stupid shit.
It's still a better movie than Resurrection.
I like how people still are trying to pretend that Alien is not just a typical slasher-horror movie, there is not difference between a xeno and the killer from scream
The difference is the spooky and alien lifecycle and the high quality designs
Alien quads is kino, check'em
bro said "check'em" lmao
Check'em, Black person!
If anything Aliens frick up by turning xenos into canon fodder. The marines are literally in the tunnels, perfect hunting ground for xenomorphs. Instead of taking out marines one by one aliens just stage this large attack and die.
yup. like oh cool they're just moronic now lol sick
the marines barricaded themselves in
Alien 3 is bad because there are plot holes. Like at some point they say they have no weapons on the planet, but then they find barrels worth of some explosive chemical, and instead of making bombs and flamethrowers , they just sprinkle it in ventilation and give every moron a sparkle device. There is also a room that can be used for trapping alien, but it can also serve as shelter, they could have barickaded themselves there, but they didn't. They also can make spears, nets, armor, swords, since they have a fricking forge. But they don't do shit.
please understand that the plot needs people to be afraid of the scary monster and logic doesn't apply to horror movies
Alien > Aliens > Prometheus > Alien 3 > Covenant > Ressurection
Alien
gap power gap
shit
Alien > Aliens > Covenant > Prometheus > AvP > Alien 3 > Resurrection > AvP 2
I like Aliens but the rabid fanbois piss me off. They want endless fricking retreads of Cameron's movie. The movie is over 30 fricking years old, get over Hicks/Newt already.
I'm glad Blomkamp's moronic retcon/remake of Aliens got canned, that would have completely nuked the franchise. I don't know about Romulus but nothing could be as bad as that shit idea.
>I like Aliens but the rabid fanbois piss me off. They want endless fricking retreads of Cameron's movie.
It's really no worse than the similar "returning to the series roots" retreads of Alien to be honest. That's part of why 3 is so dire.
Alien is the series roots though.
but you can't only milk a slasher film so much before becoming plain and lame
The point is, there isn't much difference between "I just want Aliens again" and "I just want Alien again"
(other than the later being a regression)
Terminator did that, first was a slasher/horror movie. Second was an epic crowd-pleasing action movie. Every movie after that tried to emulate the second one until it just became a bottomless pit of mediocrity.
I liked aliens as a teen but a rewatch I forgot how dumb it was.
They should have abandoned Ripley and her story with Aliens and then moved onto a Prometheus style different exploration afterwards.
Its been said a million times, the studio didnt give a shit, some exec literally said who cares, it could just be a black screen for an hour and people will still pay to see it. Troubled production, different scripts, tons of rewrites. That bit in Covenant that you get infected with the Alien by spores and albino Aliens was from one of the scripts for Alien 3 (written by William Gibson author of Neuromancer).
I thought Covenant was flawed kino at least.
David was a great character, I loved the interactions with Walter. Some of the designs of the engineer world took new Giger inspiration, had an otherworldly tone not seen since the original.
But there's no denying it got absolutely shitted up by the studio insisting on "le alien in a space station" and Black person sex.
>muh newt
I watched a marathon and didnt know, dude aliens ends on ripley and newt and 3 was just like... lol died. Never had seen aliens 3 also the rape gulag as a setting was a fricking weird choice and so limiting and bland.
>that fricking alien
Kind of creepy mostly moronic probably my favorite thing about the film
>dude aliens ends on ripley and newt and 3 was just like... lol died
I'm certain the director did that on purpose to "shock" the audience, being he a well known hack and all
David Fincher a hack, yeah.
They died in all the scripts except the William Gibson one, which has an airborne virus turning people into xenomorphs.
The director didn't do anything on purpose. It was all just tossed together in a jumble trying to make it work. They couldn't even get a fricking logical reason to justify the movie existing so just said "lol put in some magical eggs that were hiding in the corner who cares"
Vincent Ward killed off Newt because he thought she was annoying and killed the tension.
why are they so stupid and can't understand such a simple concept as a character going off to do other things?
>The ship makes it back
>Newt goes off to live with her Grandparents
>Hicks has to go back to the Marines
>Ripley is alone again
bam, you don't need them in your movie. These complete imbeciles think killing is the only way to remove a character or "end" a character's storyline satisfactorily.
Anon, this is a movie series about murderous rapebaby aliens. The worst thing Aliens did was giving audiences a feel good ending.
Alien had the same ending. Ripley made it out with her Jonesy. None of these movies REQUIRED some ultra depressing ending where everyone dies. The three of them making it to Earth fine is just as much an ending as the three of them dying horrifically for no reason on some random prison world.
>Alien had the same ending. Ripley made it out with her Jonesy.
Alien ended with Ripley being lost in space.
Literally the exact same ending for both movies. She's in space drifting towards Earth. Aliens decided that they missed her and she kept floating but was then found. Not sad nor depressing nor making the Alien movies required to have miserable fates for all characters.
Alien 3 is kino as frick and I love how Morse survived over Hix and Noot.
You can stop making these threads until Romulus drops.
>summer 92
KWAB
I like the hairy captain in alien 4.
I used to think this movie was complete shit for decades. Then I watched Alien Covenant, now I think Alien 3 ain't so bad.
It's Fincher kino.
irl she would have gotten raped right there.
Not really no. They're not aliens.
Thank goodness they didn't go with the dog.
Rod-puppet a cute.
Maris
Cameron’s fanboys, the predecessor of the marvelcucks, hated it because it wasn’t a generic 80s rooty tooty aim and shooty and killed off the obnoxious child character and Kyle Reese.
>it's rapin' time
Hest alien film
Alien 3 is worth it just for the legendary amount of seethe and butthurt it generates to this day. I love Aliens but its fanboys take this movie so fricking personally and it's hilarious. I can't think of a better pleb filter.
Worth watching for the great British cast and atmosphere, and Weaver.
He seems to have been sucked in to a ventilator.
>Ripley becomes a better soldier than marines
>Ripley pilots a mecha
>"GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVER!"
>there's an alien queen
>loveable child actor
>"They mostly come at night. Mostly."
>Ripley fights the alien queen like a boss!
>heccin wholesome alien fighting family ending! 😀
Alien 3 might have plot holes and bad writing, but I love the atmosphere of the movie, I genuinely enjoy Alien 3
Is this the one with Winona Ryder or the one with Charles Dance?
Charles Dance yeah, Ryder was in Resurrection.
Prime evil scientist actor.
Resurrection had a good cast too.
I have never seen the original alien movie but I've seen everything else and 2-3 are my favourites. Come at me.
If you had seen 1 then you'd realize that 3 is just an inferior 1, and your ranking would switch 3 with 1.
The original version would have been good. A satellite inhabited by monks and Ripley lands there bringing a demon into their society. Would have been at least competent and worthy of discussion. The rewritten version took the elements but removed all the interesting themes like Ripley being a Lilith that births the end of the of world.
the first script for alien three had an alien egg growing out of the organic components of bishops guts.
its an asspull but its an attempt to come up with a reason for there being an alien so the story can continue in alien 3.
after 3 years of re-writes i guess everyone forgot that they needed a reason at all.
This is why compromising a project too much makes something that pleases no-one.
but nobody in Hollywood has tha capacity to learn from these expensive mistakes because the same shittening process happened to promethius
For $2540 bucks, you too can own the rape goggles.
http://hollywoodrelics.com/?product=alien-3-metal-welding-goggles-by-terry-english-character-murphy
>nose guard in case she is a biter/scratcher.
>The FX Alien TV show, set to be released in 2025, marks the franchise's first foray into television and offers a new direction for the Xenomorphs. Despite delays due to the pandemic and the SAG-AFTRA strike, production on the show is progressing slowly but smoothly, according to showrunner Noah Hawley.
such a good scene
but lets discuss:
are those panties just a size too small or what
Was gonna say weight matters but they probably construct everything in space anyway,
Dallas got them for her because he liked seeing her ass and bush sticking out of them
O captain my captain
a t-shirt
those white pads moved over to cover the nips.
a thicker tape covering the whole nipple.
or; none of the above.
no wonder you cant see this in the finished film, what were they thinking?
Ridley wanted to portray the future as more sexually open. That crews would be nude around each other and not a big deal like in starship troopers. And that they'd be out in space together that sex wouldn't be too big a deal either and there's a deleted scene of Ripley banging Dallas
makes sense, but if it wasnt a big deal being nude, there would be no need for tape at all
Starship troopers did that thing so much better with the unisex shower
Weaver is a handsome woman.