>"And take part in human coitus? Nononono. It's so unhygenic. Just getting some sperm Steven releases sometimes in his sleep and inserting directly into my pseudo-uterus is much more efficient and clean."
As shitty as SU ended up getting as a product I legitimately miss some of the characters. Granted the show itself did a lot of them dirty, but still. The whole series is just "imagine what could have been" on multiple fronts now.
>Make the Cluster a series threat that isn't immediately disposed of the first moment we see it >make it so the diamonds aren't just let off the hook for their misdeeds >remove the Rose is Pink Diamond plot twist. It does nothing but harm the core themes and charterizations of the show >less fricking towny shit and more space adventure episodes >make episodes that don't feature steven at all.
>remove the Rose is Pink Diamond plot twist. It does nothing but harm the core themes and charterizations of the show >"I refuse to disobey Crew characterizations and I fear for my personal safety that I will be harmed for disobeying them"
This is you
>I'm a stupid frick that disregards legitamate criticism because I'm a midwit.
This is you dipshit.
SU kind of loses its point about Steven being his own person when his success against the Diamonds stems entirely from the circumstances of his birth. Pearl, Garnet, and Amythest's fight for freedom loses all merit when it doesn't exist because of their hard work and effort but because their dictator forced it on them.
The entire conflict between homeworld and the Crystal gems loses all intrinsic worth when its existence stems from a temper tantrum.
And even the argument that Rose is the ultimate bad guy loses all weight because her decisions still ultimately turn out to be the right ones.
The plot twist was moronic in every conceivable way and the only people who like it are morons that think twists are good for their own sake without any sort of internal consistency.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Pearl, Garnet, and Amythest's fight for freedom loses all merit ... because their dictator forced it on them.
Did she? How so? In what way?
>The entire conflict between homeworld and the Crystal gems loses all intrinsic worth when its existence stems from a temper tantrum.
How so? In what way? Pink/Rose's conflict with the other diamonds is they gave her a planet to farm but she discovered there were humans on it. When did that lose it's worth?
>Rose is the ultimate bad guy loses all weight because her decisions still ultimately turn out to be the right ones.
Who's argument is this? Rose is hated for being a weird alien emotion-driven sex-fiend horny for humans and incapable of understanding the consequences of her free will and leaving everyone behind with only Steven to clean up her mess.
Which he did, as expected.
This doesn't necessarily make her decisions any more "right" than Gendo Ikari's.
Only Steven didn't end his series by choking Connie out on that beach.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not the anon you're responding to, but Rose was right insofar that she actually did save the Earth and that her views were eventually seen as correct by the Diamonds. She had the right ideas its just that her means of getting to them were often short-sighted and ended up causing harm to a shitload of people in the process.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>her views were eventually seen as correct by the Diamonds.
The Diamonds are a poor judge of right and wrong. >ended up causing harm to a shitload of people in the process.
especially when none of the Diamonds consider any of the people hurt by the process as "people".
9 months ago
Anonymous
>The entire conflict between homeworld and the Crystal gems loses all intrinsic worth when its existence stems from a temper tantrum.
The entire conflict was a build up to Steven's realization that his mom was a c**t. That was the point.
And the implication is that YES, Steven is gonna have to live with that knowledge while enduring Pearl thirsting for the sociopathic ass every day of their lives while the rest of the crew worships the ground she walked on.
Problem is that they never explicitly address that Steven has to deal with that.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>they never explicitly address that Steven has to deal with that.
He gets in a car and leaves his own show behind.
That's how he deals with it.
9 months ago
Anonymous
no, that was over other stuff. At no point does steven recognize the failings of Pearl, of Amethist, any of the new characters, or brings out the hypocrisy in defending her.
Half his tantrum was about the townies, ffs. He just has his tantrum, they hug no jutsu him and he leaves. Every other character's personal growth is aborted.
>remove the Rose is Pink Diamond plot twist. It does nothing but harm the core themes and charterizations of the show
Cinemaphile predicted the twist back in 2015, having a twist so easy shitposters can figure it out in a week is bad
I'd be more fine with the later townie episodes if they actually worked the gems into them still. Seriously after season 1 they started treating the townies like it was a US Acres style separate show.
>less fricking towny shit and more space adventure episodes >make episodes that don't feature steven at all
I'll agree with those. I wanted more Lars of the Stars.
>less fricking towny shit and more space adventure episodes
Fricking-
Keep the gems as mystical beings.
They can be from another planet. Just, you know, in a magical way.
The techy stuff in season 2 is such a downgrade. Imagine if the empire still had their temples and timetravel artefacts.
This the magic shit was so much better, and made everything ironically more alien.
I thought some of the tech was pretty neat
Homeworld being uber techy and slightly pushing away from there being a magical element wasn't the issue honestly, it was execution.
Seriously, the logistic of homeworld's tech being able to analyze gems with certain radar/detections, barriers that destabilize any gem entities and you're fricking telling me that the fake gem shards shit isn't IMMEDIATELY investigated and found out to NOT be Pink's actual shards?
Nor that battle records of Rose's same sword that gains infamy is not further questioned in it's one off case of outright shattering a diamond when in other cases it's usually just poofing gems at worst?
The tech in the show wasn't a bad idea, but it's heavily underutilized for probably reasons to save the show from breaking itself in half. But christ don't write the tech to be this insane then.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It might have made a nice contrast if the weapons and tech the Crystal Gems used was the 6000 year old tech that had a more magical feel to it and the Diamonds used updated, more sci-fi technology.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The ancient temple stuff was really high power.
Steven literally travels back in time.
The tech stuff was used as an excuse to nerf the gempire. The logic being that they don't have the resources to do that stuff anymore, due to being cut off from earth. Peridot is designed to showcase that concept; her tech limbs compensate for her weak form. Tech is a crutch for waning magic.
And that's kinda lame.
It would be much cooler if the gems were still as magical as in ancient times. There could be other ways to balance the threat.
Like, maybe it's not so easy transporting magical tech between planets. Maybe they can only transport immaterial energy and their gem bodies have to be created on-location or something.
You fricking idiots want SU to be some kind of edgy fantasy space Game of Thrones when in reality its a story about a kid learning to be his own person and step out from the shadow of his 'great' mom.
>its a story about a kid learning to be his own person and step out from the shadow of his 'great' mom.
So is that why Steven only every succeeds based on the circumstances of his birth? If you unironically wanted to hit that plot point home then Steven should have lost his gem for good and solve the main threat completely without the use of his mother's powers.
>remove the Rose is Pink Diamond plot twist. It does nothing but harm the core themes and charterizations of the show
The whole point was that people CAN change dummy.
Idiots watched the show discovering more and more horrible things that pink diamond did without realizing that that's now who she was at the end of her life.
>that's not who she was at the end of her life.
She selfishly inserted her physical essence into her child because she herself was toobmuch of a coward to deal with the consequences of her actions. The entire writing team confirmed Rose didn't need to die to birth Steven meaning she always intended on ducking out of her responsibilities. Hell it might actually have been even worse with Rose assuming that she'd retain her consciousness in a human body so that she could truly experience what it was like to be Human. Rose remained a selfish c**t to the very last breath, don't kid yourself into thinking otherwise champ.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>with Rose assuming that she'd retain her consciousness in a human body
Change Your Mind doesn't do enough to technically disprove she isn't still in there somewhere. Especially when the whole process she did just screams like she factory resetted herself. You could maybe go with the idea she reflashed the operating system of her gem with this logic to give Steven's own character some credit, but the show definitely needed those 90+ episodes it was asking for to wrap shit like this up. Plus, let's be real for a moment, even in a complete package, are we really gonna deny that Rebecca was going to leave Rose as completely one sided in morality? It was going to end up with Rose knowing she ultimately fricked up, but was glad to have at least done one thing right in making Steven (in her mind anyway).
The diamonds shouldn't of gotten off Scott free.
I find it hard for the diamonds to do anything redeemable in action and not be punished in a way where they are sent to prison for eternity for shattering/corrupting gems, enslaving gems and causing so much suffering.
The most logical conclusion would be to do what Pink did. Make themselves into a new gem and be reborn in some way. Wipe the slate clean.
Stop trying to imitate real life so damn hard while appealing to the diversity crowd at the same time.
Half the cast is ugly for the sake of being ugly and the other half is either a half-assed strawman (the brown chad, steven's uncle) or a parody of itself (peridot, lapis, the diamonds post ending). You tell me absolutely nobody cared Lapis became basically an antisocial c**t? Not a single opinion? Do the characters stop existing when Steven isn't around?
Don't pussyfoot around Rose, jfc. Steven didn't need Spinel's tantrum to realize she was fricked.
The show and sequel didn't have a single bad idea. It's the delivery that sucked dicks.
>The show and sequel didn't have a single bad idea.
The human characters aren't genuinely human. When a cosmic monstrosity descends on their shitty little town from space they run away but the next day when its gone they're back again making fried food for non-existent tourists and bickering over bullshit. They have the mentality of bugs. Steven's humanity is supposedly important but there are no human beings in this show.
Because half the show is literally a half-assed concept. According to the official version, "weird gem frickery" has been around for so long they just assume it's normal.
And on top of that, Sucrose wanted shit like the stories being relatable to real life problems but at the same time had half the townies be joke chars. Dewie, Onion, Rolando, etc.
Rolando gets made fun of all the time and never, ever gets a bone. Strangely cruel for a show supposedly about morals.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>The show and sequel didn't have a single bad idea.
The human characters aren't genuinely human. When a cosmic monstrosity descends on their shitty little town from space they run away but the next day when its gone they're back again making fried food for non-existent tourists and bickering over bullshit. They have the mentality of bugs. Steven's humanity is supposedly important but there are no human beings in this show.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Rolando gets made fun of all the time and never, ever gets a bone
Imagine if Sugar was actually a competent showrunner who could get her employees (no, Rebecca, not "friends", they're actually your "employees") to draw on model and meet deadlines.
SU would have like 7 full seasons with a satisfying middle and end.
Unpopular opinion, but I think they should've stuck to the monster/gem of the week formula. Some lore and worldbuilding sprinkled throughout would be great, too, but focus on making cool action scenes and monster designs.
>Unpopular opinion, but I think they should've stuck to the monster/gem of the week formula
That's an extremely popular opinion, you fricking flatscan.
Where? Most of what I see are edgy gays (including you, presumably) begging for stuff like
You fricking idiots want SU to be some kind of edgy fantasy space Game of Thrones when in reality its a story about a kid learning to be his own person and step out from the shadow of his 'great' mom.
just described.
9 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but that's literally what I say helped to make season 1 so much more special compared to the rest.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Cinemaphile generally agrees that season 1 was the strongest and that the elements they dropped out of that season only hurt the show in the long-run. The lack of missions, sidelining of corrupted gems, totally dropping gem artifacts, huge reduction of action sequences, etc.
discussing this show with Cinemaphile from start to finish, apparently I had unpopular opinions.
My favorites by far are Lapis Lazuli (pre-Peridot) and Pink Diamond. Bismuth was also a very good character in her first episode. Her return was garbage. The Diamonds "getting away with it" was just fine by me. If anything, it's far more realistic with how real life works. Steven didn't win by defeating the Diamonds by sheer power, he appealed to their emotional cores and survived by pure happenstance and luck.
Jaspis best ship. I wish they made up and fused again.
Struggling to imagine the Lapis division is enough to dictate Pre-devolution due to Lauren's meddling, but not a bad pick, there's still some good points Post-Peridot that feel nice to her character (noticed it on rewatch, but Can't Go Back really shows she cared about the gems and heavily regrets just leaving so hastily, it's only out of her fear of this new Homeworld that she doubles down only to finally come back when she does, because she actually has a caring group of people that won't abandon her, even if it's undercooked, it's a rather sweet arc given where she started from) but she's such an unfocused mess afterwards that I don't blame ya for sticking with what was her most consistently good version.
Bismuth and Pink I really wish weren't shackled by a lack of screen time and her whole actions throughout the show respectively, they otherwise seem like fun characters but had some outside factor making them hard sells for most people. Pink is definitely second best diamond >Steven didn't win by defeating the diamonds by sheer power, he appealed to their emotional cores and survived by pure happenstance and luck.
People just didn't want the show that had already made it clear it is typically going to go through the pacifism route instead, to go through that pacifism route. Even though there's clearly faults with how the final arc was 100% rushed due to network issues, the only thing we're actually missing from the show's finale is probably a few more dozen episodes of build up towards that finale, we definitely were NOT suppose to just hard cut into the final stretch of episodes after the show's self jerkoff of the gay wedding, that really doesn't seem like what Rebecca and the crew wanted, hindsight tells us the truth but still, it's apparent we had to turbo rush into the finale.
Jasper deserved better, and I absolutely did not care for her when the series was still airing, but MAN she gets done bad.
9 months ago
Anonymous
No people didnt like the copout that Homeworld had never attacked a planet with life on it and that they never meant any harm. Because we saw in earlier seasons they used humans as slave labor, so either they only now recognize humans as life forms or then entire universe is dead. eitherway this actually makes gems moronic for either a) clearly doing this to other planets with life on it and not caring until now or b) earth was the first planet they ever found with other lifeforms and they still did this.
you cant claim innocence when that admits either malevolence or ignorance.
and in both cases the way the show handled redemption was terrible
>No Steven POV rule, that shit is moronic and ironically Ian JQ shows this in OK KO, it fricking restricts the show just overall. >Wrap up the mini portion of Season 1/2 where we're exploring both halves of Steven by Season 1's finale, don't keep fiddling around with lame excuses to remind us that Steven is still half human with some of the trash townie episodes beyond Season 1. It's clear that there's not a lot you can do with the townies for as long as the show ultimately TRIES to do and still be an enjoyable time. >Don't for some ungodly reason write off Lapis and Jasper in some moronic rape allegory that not only gets brushed aside when it's dealt with (Garnet wtf?), even despite Lapis pointing out she fricked up just as much as Jasper did in Alone at Sea, but ESPECIALLY don't make it so this is something that spans multiple seasons, even with the fact we had our episode divided in roughly halves part way through Season 2, why the FRICK does it take 28 episodes to get Lapis back? And another 20 or so to even SEE Jasper again only to write her out for the rest of the show, which unless in the original plans she was meant to come around after the Wedding or some bullshit, is a complete joke treatment to do to one of the antagonists that kickstarted the show's popularity. >Do NOT let Lauren Zuke even touch Lapis and Peridot. >Around Season 3/4 when we get typically a lot of wasted episodes exploring townies, actually start discovering details about Homeworld that justify them in ANY conceivable fashion. Not complete redemptions, hell, condemn their actions too, but NONE OF OUR MAIN CHARACTERS ARE CLEAN THEY'VE ALL DONE FRICKED UP SHIT. >You honestly could realistically rewrite the zoo arc or alter it in a way that also helps to give more context to Pink or Rose in general. It's HER zoo after all. Do something to actually complete her arc and make a full stance on her, don't keep waiting until she'd get cut off in any closure by the show's early ending.
>ironically Ian JQ shows this in OK KO, it fricking restricts the show just overall.
Are you saying OK KO is an example or counterexample? I didn't see it.
He has a whole arc that's away from K.O's perspective, plus there are several episodes in general that certainly benefit from not being restricted in the same way SU artificially did to itself.
Counterexample. But I guess maybe it's also just an example of how they could have done the POV rule better by just being lax with it.
Steven is the main character and all, but it's apparent when they do shit that's a consequence of the rule, rather than being creative BECAUSE of the rule.
Then again, just do away with it, why the frick would you intentionally limit yourself to his POV.
They could have balanced the POV more to not literally be a rule like the crew has unironically gone on to call it. It's in the complete opposite direction of writing issues.
you forgot >tone down the absurdly evil shit the diamonds did, they're supposed to be misguided authoritative parents, not turbo hitler, if you want to redeem them later
True, even giving them better validation like explaining why the beings full of immortal gems who aren't going to die unless they keep getting shattered (conveniently the thing the diamonds are doing intentionally or not a lot of the time), they seriously can't have such absurd yet casual acts of villainy without anything behind them, it can't ALL just be handwaved away since a lot of their more egregious acts take place before Pink even fakes her shattering.
The diamonds needed to be far more balanced out, you can be antagonists but there has to be something there to even justify the redemption, only Blue feels like the most validly redeemed and mostly because she's just such a fricking emotional wreck after Pink's death to where she just doesn't function as a diamond anymore. But she still lashes out and definitely has those same tyrannical tendencies that lost her a Sapphire that'd go on to be one of Homeworld's leading rebellious forces. So she still has some karma coming her way but unlike Yellow or White who genuinely do NOT get anywhere close to the same kind of treatment by the time the show has to wrap, there's some redeeming light there even if it's definitely hindered by the point the show had to end.
you forgot >tone down the absurdly evil shit the diamonds did, they're supposed to be misguided authoritative parents, not turbo hitler, if you want to redeem them later
Firing whoever came up with the diamonds pulling a literal "we were bad, but now we're good" sex offender shuffle-like plot easily after millenias of annihilation
>after millenias of annihilation
It's okay, there was actually no advanced life on any of the planets settled by the gems before they've encountered Earth even though they had a massive army managed by Yellow Diamond and absolutely nobody was fazed by earthlings being able to talk and build actual civilization
t. Becky Sucrose
>absolutely nobody was fazed by earthlings being able to talk and build actual civilization
Seriously, I don't get how the crew can say with a straight face that the gems never encountered intelligent life before, when Pink Diamond was literally using human cities being to difficult to dismantle as an excuse for why her colonization was failing. They were completely unfazed by humans being intelligent, but somehow it's something they've never observed before.
>absolutely nobody was fazed by earthlings being able to talk and build actual civilization
Seriously, I don't get how the crew can say with a straight face that the gems never encountered intelligent life before, when Pink Diamond was literally using human cities being to difficult to dismantle as an excuse for why her colonization was failing. They were completely unfazed by humans being intelligent, but somehow it's something they've never observed before.
For what it's worth, Ian JQ's quote on this was said after the series was over, like how Peridot's meta narrative of being asexuality representation was only done (quite immediately) AFTER her final leading episode aired by a rando crew member.
Anything genuinely said about the show in a post mortem fashion especially of this level of stupidity can be validly ignored, hell, the whole show is a LOT better if you ignore what the crew say behind the scenes what a lot of stuff meant, viewer interpretations have honestly been pretty sound by comparison.
I'm positive that most of the replies Ian got in response to this stupid post mentioned what tf was going on in Jungle Moon too, that was very DEFINITE proof of intelligent life and the only argument Ian had for it was 'nuh uh!! that's not intelligent life!!'
I think you need to be a REALLY submissive humble understanding person to ever think this AdventureTime+CalArts looking art style with that israeli boy pretending to be a woman was ever going to deliver on the action adventure lore+world design front like it's fricking Starcraft or something.
>the action adventure lore+world design front like it's fricking Starcraft or something.
Why would you ever think Steven Universe would be Starcraft.
Becky is a weeb and at every available opportunity she made it pretty clear she was Ghibli style conflict, world building and resolution. No villains or bad guys, just comfy and relatable folk casually committing intergalactic war crimes but you'd totally do the same in their shoes type vibe.
Basically, the biggest flaw of the series is a serious lack of airships and chocobos.
Steven Universe wasn't great, but I do miss it sometimes. I prefer it to most cartoons that tried to capture the same thunder that came after it, though that might just be because I consider anything from that particular part of my life to have been pretty comfy.
Connie: We're gonna start a family!
Peridot: So what does this do?
Pearl: I'M GONNA DIE: I'M GONNA DIE: I'M GONNA DIE!
Amethist: Oh Steeeeeeeveeeeeen. <3
Lapis Lazuli: Thank you Steven! Now I'll have a part of you... forever...
Garnet: And that's what would happen.
>garnet's revelation is just telling steven "i would get pregnant" through future sight
holy shit my sides
Connie: We're gonna start a family!
Peridot: So what does this do?
Pearl: I'M GONNA DIE: I'M GONNA DIE: I'M GONNA DIE!
Amethist: Oh Steeeeeeeveeeeeen. <3
Lapis Lazuli: Thank you Steven! Now I'll have a part of you... forever...
Garnet: And that's what would happen.
>Pearl: I'M GONNA DIE: I'M GONNA DIE: I'm going to have a beautiful baby and THEN I'M GONNA DIE!
fixed that for you, also we need a version of this updated for every other Gem in the series(and maybe some of the other human girls as well)
>Its a bad idea that anyone else other than Connie gets pregnant because gems die when they give birth.
that's not true, that only happens if the Gem in question wants to pass along their gem, Rose could have had Steven as a regular human child and lived she just chose to die because she was a suicidal frickup
>Its a bad idea that anyone else other than Connie gets pregnant because gems die when they give birth.
that's not true, that only happens if the Gem in question wants to pass along their gem, Rose could have had Steven as a regular human child and lived she just chose to die because she was a suicidal frickup
If diamonds practically creates new gems wouldn't this makes Steven perfect for reproduction? No need to wreck planets anymore.
Pretty unique situation. If getting her pregnant leads to the same fate as Pink Diamond, then he may have very well killed both of them, Ruby and Sapphire.
probably something relating to her being a fusion. maybe he's worried that them defusing could kill the child?? maybe he's worried that it'll result in two babies, one who's Sapphire's kid and one who's Ruby's?? IDK.
Pretty unique situation. If getting her pregnant leads to the same fate as Pink Diamond, then he may have very well killed both of them, Ruby and Sapphire.
But we already know that Pink only died because she wanted Steven to have her gem. Or maybe he's concerned what would happen if they defused.
probably something relating to her being a fusion. maybe he's worried that them defusing could kill the child?? maybe he's worried that it'll result in two babies, one who's Sapphire's kid and one who's Ruby's?? IDK.
or maybe garnet's future sight is involved, and steven's weirded out because she knows when their kid will die or whatever
I've always interpreted it as Steven being hunched over because of the five previous revelations, and then lastly Garnet comes to reveal hers.
The fact that he's sitting down and facing directly away from Garnet, for me makes it look like he's thinking about the situation he now finds himself in on account of the previous panels, and is barely even noticing Garnet as she's politely informing him that his hole is even deeper than he thinks.
Ah, so the straw that broke the camel's back is what it is. Makes sense then. That after all those unexpected pregnancies Garnet's would be the last one that breaks him.
Sucrose confirmed that gems don't need to die to give birth. Rose just chose to so she could avoid punishment for being a revolutionary and starting a war with her sisters/queen.
It'spre like the original fandom that vared about details like that is more or less dead, so most people you see posting about the show today either didn't watch it while it was airing or didn't watch it at all.
>or didn't watch it at all
That's kind of Cinemaphile in general, but with SU it's always glaringly obvious because of how many false rumors or old theories about the show will get brought up as fact.
>I like how the show ended.
This.
"Frick this shit, I'm out" is the best series finale
The only thing better would be a series about Steven's life away from Beach City.
The character designs, themes, characters, plot, and setting were all mediocre at best. The only redeeming thing about the show was peridot. I don't understand how they lucked out with her, but she was pretty great. Still a shit show.
I could see Pearl trying to deny those feelings and instead pushing them off to Connie and pushing her and Steven to get physical while she watches. Then she starts "coaching" them until she finally gives in and fricks him herself.
Lapis easily, her thankfulness towards him could easily veer into sexual territory and often felt like a lite romance in the show itself. Amethyst is the runner-up since she seems looser than the rest. Pearl can give into temptation pretty easily so if the idea got stuck in her head I think she'd eventually break down, but I don't think that'd even happen on its own. I don't think any of the others would be down to frick honestly, like Jasper would just ask why you'd waste your time on that instead of fighting, Peridot would be confused and too awkward to go through with it, Garnet would sit Steven down and have a talk about romantic boundaries, etc.
If Rose were still around she'd probably try to frick Steven herself since she seemed to have very little understanding of relationships but loved sex. Sapphire before she met Ruby would probably do it too, after fusing once she basically became obsessed with it so she's kind of a freak in-universe.
Oh Blue Diamond would probably be down to frick too since she was so focused on making people happy and had an actual affinity for humans, by the end of the series I think she might have been the easiest gem next to Rose/Pink Diamond. If we're counting more minor characters two of the three Roses would also pretty obviously be down.
Oh Blue Diamond would probably be down to frick too since she was so focused on making people happy and had an actual affinity for humans, by the end of the series I think she might have been the easiest gem next to Rose/Pink Diamond. If we're counting more minor characters two of the three Roses would also pretty obviously be down.
The blue gems were pretty much universally the prettiest and all seem like they would have been easy lays in their own ways, it's like a recurring theme with them.
>Sapphire is a fusion bawd >Lapis is obsessive with anyone that's genuinely kind to her >Blue Diamond trying to redeem herself by making people happy through physical means >Holly Blue Agate being a classic stressed out leader in need of some venting >Aquamarine being the bratty control freak >Blue Pearl regularly implied to be kind of a no-boundaries freak that lives to please
You might be on to something.
>A version of Steven Universe where Rose is still alive and is uncomfortably horny for Steven.
They should have just made the showna western harem anime.
>A version of Steven Universe where Rose is still alive and is uncomfortably horny for Steven.
They should have just made the showna western harem anime.
Rose unironically wouldn't even understand what was wrong about it. Her thought process would just be "I like this person, I like having sex with people I like, they like having sex with me, I should have sex with him too".
I don't know if Rose ever fricked a gem, but Pearl was definitely thirsty as frick for her and wanted to. Regardless I can't see Rose taking any issue. This isn't just me being perverse, I think given how she treated Greg she showed very little understanding of human social dynamics and the gems early on had no idea how to treat Steven. Once Steven reached puberty she'd probably see him as sexually mature and almost immediately try to make some move on him.
Actually that just made me realize that Pearl's love of Rose is like a daughter wanting to frick her mom. Huh.
I kind of think the Roses were addressing that a little. Their weird loose feeling that made Steven visibly uncomfortable. That episode was horny as frick.
I think most of them would try to stop it if they found out honestly, Pearl would at least TRY to explain to Rose why it was messed up. Rose would convince her to join in though if it was just Pearl that was around, since Pearl was so easily swayed by any suggestion Rose made. Amethyst would probably go full "WHAT THE FRICK" mode and Garnet would pull them apart before chastising Rose.
Lapis is the one that makes the most sense, imo. Their relationship was the most naturally built separately from the whole weird family dynamic Steven had with the rest.
Lapis easily, her thankfulness towards him could easily veer into sexual territory and often felt like a lite romance in the show itself. Amethyst is the runner-up since she seems looser than the rest. Pearl can give into temptation pretty easily so if the idea got stuck in her head I think she'd eventually break down, but I don't think that'd even happen on its own. I don't think any of the others would be down to frick honestly, like Jasper would just ask why you'd waste your time on that instead of fighting, Peridot would be confused and too awkward to go through with it, Garnet would sit Steven down and have a talk about romantic boundaries, etc.
If Rose were still around she'd probably try to frick Steven herself since she seemed to have very little understanding of relationships but loved sex. Sapphire before she met Ruby would probably do it too, after fusing once she basically became obsessed with it so she's kind of a freak in-universe.
Basically this. >Amethyst
Definitely runner up because of how loose she is, but their sort of familyish dynamic would probably make it weird. She'd probably be a little resistant at first, but eventually just go all in and be cool with the whole thing. >Pearl
I definitely see this as a possibility but it'd be a massively fricked situation, where she'd end up having an emotional breakdown as a result of it. If it ever ended up happening it'd be a downward spiral lower and lower until Pearl lost all control of herself and just forced it, whether Steven wanted to or not. >Peridot
I think it's possible, though it'd have to be a gradual build-up sort of thing. Steven could probably push his way into doing it but i don't imagine it would be be very satisfying. >Jasper, Garnet, & [SPOILER]
100% agree.
What if a whole movement of Gems said "Frick the new statu quo, we liked things the way they were for eons", started harvesting planets, both inhabited and unhabited, and expanded to the point they had their own mini Empire based on Homeworld's old values (each Gem has an assigned function, no inter-gemtype fusion, defects get the rope, etc.)? How would Steven and the Diamonds react? Would they try to talk no jutsu them into coming back or destroy them for fear they might be emboldened enough to wage war on them or other species?
I'd like a plot like that because it might give us some insight into why a group of immortal beings that seemed to only consume resources to build things deemed it necessary to invade and colonize other planets in the first place, and why they had such a highly militarized society despite the fact that there were seemingly no wars or outside conflicts they were engaged in until Rose's Rebellion. The show literally never addressed any of this, the gems had no motivation for half the shit they were doing in the first place.
I always thought that was because the Gems were a worker race designed by some alien species to colonize plants on their behalf. Colonize, conquer, terraform, or destroy as they see fit. The warring technology, mindset, ability to adjust to any gravity, and disregard for organic life I figured were leftovers from their initial programing instructions and specifications they were created with. They don't really feel like a species that developed, grew, or evolved at all. They've always felt more like a species that was created as they are with the goal of expansion in mind. No where this alien species that created them initially is I have no idea but that's a whole other thing entirely.
Yeah it's a really common fan theory that they're basically a borderline AI species that gained sapience and then either went rogue or just lost their masters and continued doing what they were doing, but again the show never addresses this one way or another.
Wanting fans to forgive the Diamonds killed SU's world building. The crew had to go out of their way to say on Twitter that Homeworld had only colonized uninhabited until settling on Earth, and that there was absolutely NO casuality during the war. Way to kill any interest in your lore for the sake of some "feel good" shit.
To me, Gems always were ran and expanded their Empire because it's what they did best and it gave every single one a purpose, from the smallest cog in the machine to the largest. They would harvest bountiful planets and felt no remorse exterminating entire species, as they didn't view organics as life.
At the very least, the broad layer of elite who derived power and wealth from organising, logistics and servicing the constant expansion should have a civil war since they suddenly lost everything.
But since this is an interstellar civilisation of immortal robots that has been in decline for thousands of years, this could happen in a couple of centuries.
I've always interpreted this as Connie and the gems playing a prank on Steven, she's the only one that's actually pregnant but she passed around the test to the gems could all pretend it was theirs.
I watched like 3 episodes when this very first came out
I barely remember anything about it. Something about eating ice cream, a glowing belly button and a big butch black woman with an afro
Knowing everything you know now, should I spend my time watching it through?
No, it starts alright but the show really ends up sucking by the end. If you do watch it anyway, just stop after season 2. Season 2 is the last decent season.
No, it starts alright but the show really ends up sucking by the end. If you do watch it anyway, just stop after season 2. Season 2 is the last decent season.
You legitimately need an anime-tier episode guide after Season 2, there is just straight up worthless episodes that can utterly kill the enjoyment of the show. And even the ones that are mandatory for the rest of the show going forward can be hit or miss.
No. The series ended up becoming a showcase of Sugar's lib mentality handwaving away everything that wasn't feel-good time-of-the-moment stuff as "simply not important".
>Knowing everything you know now, should I spend my time watching it through?
You'll never know if it was worth watching if you don't watch it.
But isn't it the least bit curious that those first 3 episodes introduce a cherubic main character that is so aggressively loud, whiny and annoying and that these anons that are telling you to skip series are also implying those are the best ones?
>implying that the main character gets worse as the series goes on
False.
I don't really know what you're saying. Does he get sidelined or what?
>I don't really know what you're saying. Does he get sidelined or what?
Steven is the show. Over the course of the series, you will watch him grow from petulant whiny child to a leader of gems and savior of two civilizations.
If I were to hazard a guess, based on nearly 10 years of observing anons lose their shit, the problem with the show, Season 2 and beyond, is nearly everything else but Steven.
The relationship with Connie. Beach City and it's townies. Frybo and his sneeple. Peridot and the Cluster. Centipeedle and the chaaaps. Lars, Lion and the space pirates. The rubies. The diamonds. The truth about Rose and the rebellion. Spinel's backstory. The writers' forced ships. Rebecca's marriage.
You name it, it's a problem.
It's just a bit curious is all. Ranting for over a decade and telling others not to watch...
If, hypothetically speaking, a gem-human hybrid was fried by some heat death ray that incinerated them to ash, leaving only their gem behind, which then reformed into their previous shape, now a pure gem, but still possessing all the memories and personality they had before, would that person have survived death, or would it be a gem replica born from the (literal) ashes of a dead human?
Genuinely wish whatever the frick that pink steven bullshit that was going on in Change Your Mind had the time to be properly explained. It's so far vaguely implying either that Pink Diamond's entirety was practically flashed over like a computer for Steven's being to be inserted into the gem.
But it could also be that it's still just a super in denial Pink Diamond trying to keep Steven in tact as that is her new identity now.
If anything is an indication that the show still had more to tell, it's everything to do with Steven's gem specifics.
What honestly changes in the show if Pink actually tested just how much the other diamonds cared for her and fought as herself? The one thing she was always trying to run away from? Being herself?
The likelihood that the diamonds still nuke the earth even with Pink actively on it is definitely still there, but if they actually cared for her as much as their grieving or denial later on in the canon series shows from her fake shattering, the Earth might actually reach peace agreements if the diamonds truly see Pink actually showing the leadership traits of a diamond for this cause she's actively fighting for.
And plus, she also doesn't need to put the Earth's gem grown homeworld soldiers, and the rebels against one another for a front, that shit is just weird and is something I think the show actively tries to tiptoe around that she had to have been leading both sides of that conflict when it's actually pointless in the grand scheme of trying to defend the earth from Homeworld, just lead both sides to defend the planet, screw the shitty disguise that a basic b***h ass lawyer like Zircon can call into question from just looking at the bare minimum pieces of evidence.
There's only a 50% percent change for each gene to consist of the same two halves as in the genetically identical parent.
The other 50% is a doubling up of the same half.
Having the same genetic code twice instead of two different ones to correct each other is what causes birth defects.
Having it for literally half of your genes is even worse than the product of direct sibling incest, and way WAY worse than cousin marriages, which are our go to point of comparison when it comes to the results of incest.
>if two people frick and the only difference between their DNA is the XX/XY chromosome, will the child be inbred or basically a clone?
the thing is Aaa has everyone's gender bent and presumably that goes through all of its history and when you apply that logic* the truth is even though Finn and Fionna are alternate versions of each other they probably aren't actually remotely genetically related
*this is why I generally don't like Universal Rule 63 scenarios it becomes a headache once you apply the slightest bit of logic to the scenario
I dropped it around 1/3 into the second season. Episodes where Steven sees unpleasent sides to his father and Amythest he didn't expect or realizes that the gems aren't perfect but are trying their best for his sake were intersting but had no consequences going forward so whatever.
if you want genuine horseshit go watch the PPG Reboot.
this show just wasted it's potential like a lot of the cartoons on the board that actually gets the board in a frenzy, because it could have been greater.
it's apparently because said space rock women can adapt with enough time... and presumably research.
i could try to explain it more, but that's the bare minimum gist the show uses to try and justify everything that occurs with Steven that breaks through the human and gem barriers, or when Rose managed to do so herself
I'll do you one better. Why are the Diamonds apparently familiar with organic life and civilizations and disdainful of them if they've never encountered them before?
Simple answer: They're humanoid and it's a cartoon
Lore answer: They can shapeshift a functional womb and thus presumably an egg cell with a compatible X chromosome
>Pearl impregnates herself with Steven's sperm without him knowing to have a little bit of Rose inside of her
She can't just get it directly like the rest of them?
>"And take part in human coitus? Nononono. It's so unhygenic. Just getting some sperm Steven releases sometimes in his sleep and inserting directly into my pseudo-uterus is much more efficient and clean."
As shitty as SU ended up getting as a product I legitimately miss some of the characters. Granted the show itself did a lot of them dirty, but still. The whole series is just "imagine what could have been" on multiple fronts now.
>"imagine what could have been"
Okay how could SU could been better?
>Make the Cluster a series threat that isn't immediately disposed of the first moment we see it
>make it so the diamonds aren't just let off the hook for their misdeeds
>remove the Rose is Pink Diamond plot twist. It does nothing but harm the core themes and charterizations of the show
>less fricking towny shit and more space adventure episodes
>make episodes that don't feature steven at all.
>remove the Rose is Pink Diamond plot twist. It does nothing but harm the core themes and charterizations of the show
>"I refuse to disobey Crew characterizations and I fear for my personal safety that I will be harmed for disobeying them"
This is you
>I'm a stupid frick that disregards legitamate criticism because I'm a midwit.
This is you dipshit.
SU kind of loses its point about Steven being his own person when his success against the Diamonds stems entirely from the circumstances of his birth. Pearl, Garnet, and Amythest's fight for freedom loses all merit when it doesn't exist because of their hard work and effort but because their dictator forced it on them.
The entire conflict between homeworld and the Crystal gems loses all intrinsic worth when its existence stems from a temper tantrum.
And even the argument that Rose is the ultimate bad guy loses all weight because her decisions still ultimately turn out to be the right ones.
The plot twist was moronic in every conceivable way and the only people who like it are morons that think twists are good for their own sake without any sort of internal consistency.
>Pearl, Garnet, and Amythest's fight for freedom loses all merit ... because their dictator forced it on them.
Did she? How so? In what way?
>The entire conflict between homeworld and the Crystal gems loses all intrinsic worth when its existence stems from a temper tantrum.
How so? In what way? Pink/Rose's conflict with the other diamonds is they gave her a planet to farm but she discovered there were humans on it. When did that lose it's worth?
>Rose is the ultimate bad guy loses all weight because her decisions still ultimately turn out to be the right ones.
Who's argument is this? Rose is hated for being a weird alien emotion-driven sex-fiend horny for humans and incapable of understanding the consequences of her free will and leaving everyone behind with only Steven to clean up her mess.
Which he did, as expected.
This doesn't necessarily make her decisions any more "right" than Gendo Ikari's.
Only Steven didn't end his series by choking Connie out on that beach.
Not the anon you're responding to, but Rose was right insofar that she actually did save the Earth and that her views were eventually seen as correct by the Diamonds. She had the right ideas its just that her means of getting to them were often short-sighted and ended up causing harm to a shitload of people in the process.
>her views were eventually seen as correct by the Diamonds.
The Diamonds are a poor judge of right and wrong.
>ended up causing harm to a shitload of people in the process.
especially when none of the Diamonds consider any of the people hurt by the process as "people".
>The entire conflict between homeworld and the Crystal gems loses all intrinsic worth when its existence stems from a temper tantrum.
The entire conflict was a build up to Steven's realization that his mom was a c**t. That was the point.
And the implication is that YES, Steven is gonna have to live with that knowledge while enduring Pearl thirsting for the sociopathic ass every day of their lives while the rest of the crew worships the ground she walked on.
Problem is that they never explicitly address that Steven has to deal with that.
>they never explicitly address that Steven has to deal with that.
He gets in a car and leaves his own show behind.
That's how he deals with it.
no, that was over other stuff. At no point does steven recognize the failings of Pearl, of Amethist, any of the new characters, or brings out the hypocrisy in defending her.
Half his tantrum was about the townies, ffs. He just has his tantrum, they hug no jutsu him and he leaves. Every other character's personal growth is aborted.
It just leaves you hating the cast.
>remove the Rose is Pink Diamond plot twist. It does nothing but harm the core themes and charterizations of the show
Cinemaphile predicted the twist back in 2015, having a twist so easy shitposters can figure it out in a week is bad
I'd be more fine with the later townie episodes if they actually worked the gems into them still. Seriously after season 1 they started treating the townies like it was a US Acres style separate show.
>less fricking towny shit and more space adventure episodes
>make episodes that don't feature steven at all
I'll agree with those. I wanted more Lars of the Stars.
>less fricking towny shit and more space adventure episodes
Fricking-
Keep the gems as mystical beings.
They can be from another planet. Just, you know, in a magical way.
The techy stuff in season 2 is such a downgrade. Imagine if the empire still had their temples and timetravel artefacts.
This the magic shit was so much better, and made everything ironically more alien.
I thought some of the tech was pretty neat
Homeworld being uber techy and slightly pushing away from there being a magical element wasn't the issue honestly, it was execution.
Seriously, the logistic of homeworld's tech being able to analyze gems with certain radar/detections, barriers that destabilize any gem entities and you're fricking telling me that the fake gem shards shit isn't IMMEDIATELY investigated and found out to NOT be Pink's actual shards?
Nor that battle records of Rose's same sword that gains infamy is not further questioned in it's one off case of outright shattering a diamond when in other cases it's usually just poofing gems at worst?
The tech in the show wasn't a bad idea, but it's heavily underutilized for probably reasons to save the show from breaking itself in half. But christ don't write the tech to be this insane then.
It might have made a nice contrast if the weapons and tech the Crystal Gems used was the 6000 year old tech that had a more magical feel to it and the Diamonds used updated, more sci-fi technology.
The ancient temple stuff was really high power.
Steven literally travels back in time.
The tech stuff was used as an excuse to nerf the gempire. The logic being that they don't have the resources to do that stuff anymore, due to being cut off from earth. Peridot is designed to showcase that concept; her tech limbs compensate for her weak form. Tech is a crutch for waning magic.
And that's kinda lame.
It would be much cooler if the gems were still as magical as in ancient times. There could be other ways to balance the threat.
Like, maybe it's not so easy transporting magical tech between planets. Maybe they can only transport immaterial energy and their gem bodies have to be created on-location or something.
You fricking idiots want SU to be some kind of edgy fantasy space Game of Thrones when in reality its a story about a kid learning to be his own person and step out from the shadow of his 'great' mom.
Well if they shouldn't have made the backstory seem like an epic fantasy then.
>its a story about a kid learning to be his own person and step out from the shadow of his 'great' mom.
So is that why Steven only every succeeds based on the circumstances of his birth? If you unironically wanted to hit that plot point home then Steven should have lost his gem for good and solve the main threat completely without the use of his mother's powers.
the problem is that it's shit at being that too
>remove the Rose is Pink Diamond plot twist. It does nothing but harm the core themes and charterizations of the show
The whole point was that people CAN change dummy.
Idiots watched the show discovering more and more horrible things that pink diamond did without realizing that that's now who she was at the end of her life.
>that's not who she was at the end of her life.
She selfishly inserted her physical essence into her child because she herself was toobmuch of a coward to deal with the consequences of her actions. The entire writing team confirmed Rose didn't need to die to birth Steven meaning she always intended on ducking out of her responsibilities. Hell it might actually have been even worse with Rose assuming that she'd retain her consciousness in a human body so that she could truly experience what it was like to be Human. Rose remained a selfish c**t to the very last breath, don't kid yourself into thinking otherwise champ.
>with Rose assuming that she'd retain her consciousness in a human body
Change Your Mind doesn't do enough to technically disprove she isn't still in there somewhere. Especially when the whole process she did just screams like she factory resetted herself. You could maybe go with the idea she reflashed the operating system of her gem with this logic to give Steven's own character some credit, but the show definitely needed those 90+ episodes it was asking for to wrap shit like this up.
Plus, let's be real for a moment, even in a complete package, are we really gonna deny that Rebecca was going to leave Rose as completely one sided in morality? It was going to end up with Rose knowing she ultimately fricked up, but was glad to have at least done one thing right in making Steven (in her mind anyway).
The diamonds shouldn't of gotten off Scott free.
I find it hard for the diamonds to do anything redeemable in action and not be punished in a way where they are sent to prison for eternity for shattering/corrupting gems, enslaving gems and causing so much suffering.
The most logical conclusion would be to do what Pink did. Make themselves into a new gem and be reborn in some way. Wipe the slate clean.
let it be a shounen from the jump instead of incorporating shounen traits
Stop trying to imitate real life so damn hard while appealing to the diversity crowd at the same time.
Half the cast is ugly for the sake of being ugly and the other half is either a half-assed strawman (the brown chad, steven's uncle) or a parody of itself (peridot, lapis, the diamonds post ending). You tell me absolutely nobody cared Lapis became basically an antisocial c**t? Not a single opinion? Do the characters stop existing when Steven isn't around?
Don't pussyfoot around Rose, jfc. Steven didn't need Spinel's tantrum to realize she was fricked.
The show and sequel didn't have a single bad idea. It's the delivery that sucked dicks.
>The show and sequel didn't have a single bad idea.
The human characters aren't genuinely human. When a cosmic monstrosity descends on their shitty little town from space they run away but the next day when its gone they're back again making fried food for non-existent tourists and bickering over bullshit. They have the mentality of bugs. Steven's humanity is supposedly important but there are no human beings in this show.
Because half the show is literally a half-assed concept. According to the official version, "weird gem frickery" has been around for so long they just assume it's normal.
And on top of that, Sucrose wanted shit like the stories being relatable to real life problems but at the same time had half the townies be joke chars. Dewie, Onion, Rolando, etc.
Rolando gets made fun of all the time and never, ever gets a bone. Strangely cruel for a show supposedly about morals.
>Rolando gets made fun of all the time and never, ever gets a bone
Imagine if Sugar was actually a competent showrunner who could get her employees (no, Rebecca, not "friends", they're actually your "employees") to draw on model and meet deadlines.
SU would have like 7 full seasons with a satisfying middle and end.
Unpopular opinion, but I think they should've stuck to the monster/gem of the week formula. Some lore and worldbuilding sprinkled throughout would be great, too, but focus on making cool action scenes and monster designs.
>Unpopular opinion, but I think they should've stuck to the monster/gem of the week formula
That's an extremely popular opinion, you fricking flatscan.
Where? Most of what I see are edgy gays (including you, presumably) begging for stuff like
just described.
NTA but that's literally what I say helped to make season 1 so much more special compared to the rest.
Cinemaphile generally agrees that season 1 was the strongest and that the elements they dropped out of that season only hurt the show in the long-run. The lack of missions, sidelining of corrupted gems, totally dropping gem artifacts, huge reduction of action sequences, etc.
discussing this show with Cinemaphile from start to finish, apparently I had unpopular opinions.
My favorites by far are Lapis Lazuli (pre-Peridot) and Pink Diamond. Bismuth was also a very good character in her first episode. Her return was garbage. The Diamonds "getting away with it" was just fine by me. If anything, it's far more realistic with how real life works. Steven didn't win by defeating the Diamonds by sheer power, he appealed to their emotional cores and survived by pure happenstance and luck.
Jaspis best ship. I wish they made up and fused again.
Struggling to imagine the Lapis division is enough to dictate Pre-devolution due to Lauren's meddling, but not a bad pick, there's still some good points Post-Peridot that feel nice to her character (noticed it on rewatch, but Can't Go Back really shows she cared about the gems and heavily regrets just leaving so hastily, it's only out of her fear of this new Homeworld that she doubles down only to finally come back when she does, because she actually has a caring group of people that won't abandon her, even if it's undercooked, it's a rather sweet arc given where she started from) but she's such an unfocused mess afterwards that I don't blame ya for sticking with what was her most consistently good version.
Bismuth and Pink I really wish weren't shackled by a lack of screen time and her whole actions throughout the show respectively, they otherwise seem like fun characters but had some outside factor making them hard sells for most people.
Pink is definitely second best diamond
>Steven didn't win by defeating the diamonds by sheer power, he appealed to their emotional cores and survived by pure happenstance and luck.
People just didn't want the show that had already made it clear it is typically going to go through the pacifism route instead, to go through that pacifism route. Even though there's clearly faults with how the final arc was 100% rushed due to network issues, the only thing we're actually missing from the show's finale is probably a few more dozen episodes of build up towards that finale, we definitely were NOT suppose to just hard cut into the final stretch of episodes after the show's self jerkoff of the gay wedding, that really doesn't seem like what Rebecca and the crew wanted, hindsight tells us the truth but still, it's apparent we had to turbo rush into the finale.
Jasper deserved better, and I absolutely did not care for her when the series was still airing, but MAN she gets done bad.
No people didnt like the copout that Homeworld had never attacked a planet with life on it and that they never meant any harm. Because we saw in earlier seasons they used humans as slave labor, so either they only now recognize humans as life forms or then entire universe is dead. eitherway this actually makes gems moronic for either a) clearly doing this to other planets with life on it and not caring until now or b) earth was the first planet they ever found with other lifeforms and they still did this.
you cant claim innocence when that admits either malevolence or ignorance.
and in both cases the way the show handled redemption was terrible
>No Steven POV rule, that shit is moronic and ironically Ian JQ shows this in OK KO, it fricking restricts the show just overall.
>Wrap up the mini portion of Season 1/2 where we're exploring both halves of Steven by Season 1's finale, don't keep fiddling around with lame excuses to remind us that Steven is still half human with some of the trash townie episodes beyond Season 1. It's clear that there's not a lot you can do with the townies for as long as the show ultimately TRIES to do and still be an enjoyable time.
>Don't for some ungodly reason write off Lapis and Jasper in some moronic rape allegory that not only gets brushed aside when it's dealt with (Garnet wtf?), even despite Lapis pointing out she fricked up just as much as Jasper did in Alone at Sea, but ESPECIALLY don't make it so this is something that spans multiple seasons, even with the fact we had our episode divided in roughly halves part way through Season 2, why the FRICK does it take 28 episodes to get Lapis back? And another 20 or so to even SEE Jasper again only to write her out for the rest of the show, which unless in the original plans she was meant to come around after the Wedding or some bullshit, is a complete joke treatment to do to one of the antagonists that kickstarted the show's popularity.
>Do NOT let Lauren Zuke even touch Lapis and Peridot.
>Around Season 3/4 when we get typically a lot of wasted episodes exploring townies, actually start discovering details about Homeworld that justify them in ANY conceivable fashion. Not complete redemptions, hell, condemn their actions too, but NONE OF OUR MAIN CHARACTERS ARE CLEAN THEY'VE ALL DONE FRICKED UP SHIT.
>You honestly could realistically rewrite the zoo arc or alter it in a way that also helps to give more context to Pink or Rose in general. It's HER zoo after all. Do something to actually complete her arc and make a full stance on her, don't keep waiting until she'd get cut off in any closure by the show's early ending.
>ironically Ian JQ shows this in OK KO, it fricking restricts the show just overall.
Are you saying OK KO is an example or counterexample? I didn't see it.
He has a whole arc that's away from K.O's perspective, plus there are several episodes in general that certainly benefit from not being restricted in the same way SU artificially did to itself.
Counterexample. But I guess maybe it's also just an example of how they could have done the POV rule better by just being lax with it.
Steven is the main character and all, but it's apparent when they do shit that's a consequence of the rule, rather than being creative BECAUSE of the rule.
Then again, just do away with it, why the frick would you intentionally limit yourself to his POV.
>No Steven POV
Frick that, AT showed me that shit is poison to show.
They could have balanced the POV more to not literally be a rule like the crew has unironically gone on to call it. It's in the complete opposite direction of writing issues.
True, even giving them better validation like explaining why the beings full of immortal gems who aren't going to die unless they keep getting shattered (conveniently the thing the diamonds are doing intentionally or not a lot of the time), they seriously can't have such absurd yet casual acts of villainy without anything behind them, it can't ALL just be handwaved away since a lot of their more egregious acts take place before Pink even fakes her shattering.
The diamonds needed to be far more balanced out, you can be antagonists but there has to be something there to even justify the redemption, only Blue feels like the most validly redeemed and mostly because she's just such a fricking emotional wreck after Pink's death to where she just doesn't function as a diamond anymore. But she still lashes out and definitely has those same tyrannical tendencies that lost her a Sapphire that'd go on to be one of Homeworld's leading rebellious forces. So she still has some karma coming her way but unlike Yellow or White who genuinely do NOT get anywhere close to the same kind of treatment by the time the show has to wrap, there's some redeeming light there even if it's definitely hindered by the point the show had to end.
>Captcha: P0rny
you forgot
>tone down the absurdly evil shit the diamonds did, they're supposed to be misguided authoritative parents, not turbo hitler, if you want to redeem them later
By making Steven a son of Yellow Diamond
Firing whoever came up with the diamonds pulling a literal "we were bad, but now we're good" sex offender shuffle-like plot easily after millenias of annihilation
>after millenias of annihilation
It's okay, there was actually no advanced life on any of the planets settled by the gems before they've encountered Earth even though they had a massive army managed by Yellow Diamond and absolutely nobody was fazed by earthlings being able to talk and build actual civilization
t. Becky Sucrose
>absolutely nobody was fazed by earthlings being able to talk and build actual civilization
Seriously, I don't get how the crew can say with a straight face that the gems never encountered intelligent life before, when Pink Diamond was literally using human cities being to difficult to dismantle as an excuse for why her colonization was failing. They were completely unfazed by humans being intelligent, but somehow it's something they've never observed before.
For what it's worth, Ian JQ's quote on this was said after the series was over, like how Peridot's meta narrative of being asexuality representation was only done (quite immediately) AFTER her final leading episode aired by a rando crew member.
Anything genuinely said about the show in a post mortem fashion especially of this level of stupidity can be validly ignored, hell, the whole show is a LOT better if you ignore what the crew say behind the scenes what a lot of stuff meant, viewer interpretations have honestly been pretty sound by comparison.
I'm positive that most of the replies Ian got in response to this stupid post mentioned what tf was going on in Jungle Moon too, that was very DEFINITE proof of intelligent life and the only argument Ian had for it was 'nuh uh!! that's not intelligent life!!'
I think you need to be a REALLY submissive humble understanding person to ever think this AdventureTime+CalArts looking art style with that israeli boy pretending to be a woman was ever going to deliver on the action adventure lore+world design front like it's fricking Starcraft or something.
>the action adventure lore+world design front like it's fricking Starcraft or something.
Why would you ever think Steven Universe would be Starcraft.
Becky is a weeb and at every available opportunity she made it pretty clear she was Ghibli style conflict, world building and resolution. No villains or bad guys, just comfy and relatable folk casually committing intergalactic war crimes but you'd totally do the same in their shoes type vibe.
Basically, the biggest flaw of the series is a serious lack of airships and chocobos.
What the frick are you talking about there are villains in many Ghibli films.
I can't think of a genuinely ireedemable villain in a Ghibli film.
>I can't think of a genuinely ireedemable villain in a Ghibli film.
I mean, are we counting Cagliostro or nah?
Rose's canon and Stronger Than You were the peak of the series
It got really unfocused after that
mindful education was peak
Steven Universe wasn't great, but I do miss it sometimes. I prefer it to most cartoons that tried to capture the same thunder that came after it, though that might just be because I consider anything from that particular part of my life to have been pretty comfy.
>garnet's revelation is just telling steven "i would get pregnant" through future sight
holy shit my sides
>Stevengays
Cringe
Can you blame them? There aren't many males in the show to self insert as
Connie: We're gonna start a family!
Peridot: So what does this do?
Pearl: I'M GONNA DIE: I'M GONNA DIE: I'M GONNA DIE!
Amethist: Oh Steeeeeeeveeeeeen. <3
Lapis Lazuli: Thank you Steven! Now I'll have a part of you... forever...
Garnet: And that's what would happen.
>Pearl: I'M GONNA DIE: I'M GONNA DIE: I'm going to have a beautiful baby and THEN I'M GONNA DIE!
fixed that for you, also we need a version of this updated for every other Gem in the series(and maybe some of the other human girls as well)
Its a bad idea that anyone else other than Connie gets pregnant because gems die when they give birth.
>Its a bad idea that anyone else other than Connie gets pregnant because gems die when they give birth.
that's not true, that only happens if the Gem in question wants to pass along their gem, Rose could have had Steven as a regular human child and lived she just chose to die because she was a suicidal frickup
When was this mentioned? The gem becoming a part of the hybrid human/gem baby is optional?
>The gem becoming a part of the hybrid human/gem baby is optional?
Amethyst is Onion's real dad.
Yes, Sucrose said as much in an interview ages ago.
If diamonds practically creates new gems wouldn't this makes Steven perfect for reproduction? No need to wreck planets anymore.
Why is he most concerned by knocking up Garnet? Was she the one too far?
Pretty unique situation. If getting her pregnant leads to the same fate as Pink Diamond, then he may have very well killed both of them, Ruby and Sapphire.
But we already know that Pink only died because she wanted Steven to have her gem. Or maybe he's concerned what would happen if they defused.
probably something relating to her being a fusion. maybe he's worried that them defusing could kill the child?? maybe he's worried that it'll result in two babies, one who's Sapphire's kid and one who's Ruby's?? IDK.
or maybe garnet's future sight is involved, and steven's weirded out because she knows when their kid will die or whatever
>steven's weirded out because she knows when their kid will die or whatever
"I'm going to lose the baby, Steven."
I've always interpreted it as Steven being hunched over because of the five previous revelations, and then lastly Garnet comes to reveal hers.
The fact that he's sitting down and facing directly away from Garnet, for me makes it look like he's thinking about the situation he now finds himself in on account of the previous panels, and is barely even noticing Garnet as she's politely informing him that his hole is even deeper than he thinks.
Ah, so the straw that broke the camel's back is what it is. Makes sense then. That after all those unexpected pregnancies Garnet's would be the last one that breaks him.
I like how Pearl is the only one afraid of dying
Sucrose confirmed that gems don't need to die to give birth. Rose just chose to so she could avoid punishment for being a revolutionary and starting a war with her sisters/queen.
And people cared so little that they continue to ignore it
It'spre like the original fandom that vared about details like that is more or less dead, so most people you see posting about the show today either didn't watch it while it was airing or didn't watch it at all.
Or, even worse, they base their vision of the show off all the dumb ideas that the cast members pitched to Sucrose
>or didn't watch it at all
That's kind of Cinemaphile in general, but with SU it's always glaringly obvious because of how many false rumors or old theories about the show will get brought up as fact.
I was sort of creeped out when Future confirmed my joke posts about Steven having glass bones and no heart
I don't understand garnet's reaction
stoic
I like how the show ended.
>I like how the show ended.
This.
"Frick this shit, I'm out" is the best series finale
The only thing better would be a series about Steven's life away from Beach City.
the show went to shit after the cluster but I'll always appreciate the character designs.
Perihot!!! Bejiabro btw
Nice
That's another Perichad, there are plenty
I hope that one visit us soon. Post more Perihots.
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Do your part marry a Ruby
The character designs, themes, characters, plot, and setting were all mediocre at best. The only redeeming thing about the show was peridot. I don't understand how they lucked out with her, but she was pretty great. Still a shit show.
Also, I agree entirely. Show is shit without Peridot
Which gem would be most receptive to fricking Steven. I think Amethyst would be down no questions asked.
True but Pearl is a close second for sure considering how much she wanted his mom I think
I could see Pearl trying to deny those feelings and instead pushing them off to Connie and pushing her and Steven to get physical while she watches. Then she starts "coaching" them until she finally gives in and fricks him herself.
How this isn't more often used I have no idea.
I bet Pearl would teach Connie how to serve her master very well.
Lapis easily, her thankfulness towards him could easily veer into sexual territory and often felt like a lite romance in the show itself. Amethyst is the runner-up since she seems looser than the rest. Pearl can give into temptation pretty easily so if the idea got stuck in her head I think she'd eventually break down, but I don't think that'd even happen on its own. I don't think any of the others would be down to frick honestly, like Jasper would just ask why you'd waste your time on that instead of fighting, Peridot would be confused and too awkward to go through with it, Garnet would sit Steven down and have a talk about romantic boundaries, etc.
If Rose were still around she'd probably try to frick Steven herself since she seemed to have very little understanding of relationships but loved sex. Sapphire before she met Ruby would probably do it too, after fusing once she basically became obsessed with it so she's kind of a freak in-universe.
Oh Blue Diamond would probably be down to frick too since she was so focused on making people happy and had an actual affinity for humans, by the end of the series I think she might have been the easiest gem next to Rose/Pink Diamond. If we're counting more minor characters two of the three Roses would also pretty obviously be down.
Steven should've started fricking those Quartzs to deal with his mommy issues.
The blue gems were pretty much universally the prettiest and all seem like they would have been easy lays in their own ways, it's like a recurring theme with them.
And if Lapis is anything to go by, they also have perfectly massageable silky smooth feet
>Sapphire is a fusion bawd
>Lapis is obsessive with anyone that's genuinely kind to her
>Blue Diamond trying to redeem herself by making people happy through physical means
>Holly Blue Agate being a classic stressed out leader in need of some venting
>Aquamarine being the bratty control freak
>Blue Pearl regularly implied to be kind of a no-boundaries freak that lives to please
You might be on to something.
>A version of Steven Universe where Rose is still alive and is uncomfortably horny for Steven.
They should have just made the showna western harem anime.
Rose unironically wouldn't even understand what was wrong about it. Her thought process would just be "I like this person, I like having sex with people I like, they like having sex with me, I should have sex with him too".
>Rose unironically wouldn't even understand what was wrong about it.
As a Diamond, all the gems she fricks are her children anyway, so...
I don't know if Rose ever fricked a gem, but Pearl was definitely thirsty as frick for her and wanted to. Regardless I can't see Rose taking any issue. This isn't just me being perverse, I think given how she treated Greg she showed very little understanding of human social dynamics and the gems early on had no idea how to treat Steven. Once Steven reached puberty she'd probably see him as sexually mature and almost immediately try to make some move on him.
Actually that just made me realize that Pearl's love of Rose is like a daughter wanting to frick her mom. Huh.
It's all incest.
Incest rocks.
I kind of think the Roses were addressing that a little. Their weird loose feeling that made Steven visibly uncomfortable. That episode was horny as frick.
Would the other gems stop that or let it happen? Hell, Pearl might even join in with Rose's seduction as "sexual education".
I think most of them would try to stop it if they found out honestly, Pearl would at least TRY to explain to Rose why it was messed up. Rose would convince her to join in though if it was just Pearl that was around, since Pearl was so easily swayed by any suggestion Rose made. Amethyst would probably go full "WHAT THE FRICK" mode and Garnet would pull them apart before chastising Rose.
Lapis is the one that makes the most sense, imo. Their relationship was the most naturally built separately from the whole weird family dynamic Steven had with the rest.
Basically this.
>Amethyst
Definitely runner up because of how loose she is, but their sort of familyish dynamic would probably make it weird. She'd probably be a little resistant at first, but eventually just go all in and be cool with the whole thing.
>Pearl
I definitely see this as a possibility but it'd be a massively fricked situation, where she'd end up having an emotional breakdown as a result of it. If it ever ended up happening it'd be a downward spiral lower and lower until Pearl lost all control of herself and just forced it, whether Steven wanted to or not.
>Peridot
I think it's possible, though it'd have to be a gradual build-up sort of thing. Steven could probably push his way into doing it but i don't imagine it would be be very satisfying.
>Jasper, Garnet, & [SPOILER]
100% agree.
Lapis
What about Spinel?
Holding Amethyst's hand while we kiss and cuddle
What if a whole movement of Gems said "Frick the new statu quo, we liked things the way they were for eons", started harvesting planets, both inhabited and unhabited, and expanded to the point they had their own mini Empire based on Homeworld's old values (each Gem has an assigned function, no inter-gemtype fusion, defects get the rope, etc.)? How would Steven and the Diamonds react? Would they try to talk no jutsu them into coming back or destroy them for fear they might be emboldened enough to wage war on them or other species?
I'd like a plot like that because it might give us some insight into why a group of immortal beings that seemed to only consume resources to build things deemed it necessary to invade and colonize other planets in the first place, and why they had such a highly militarized society despite the fact that there were seemingly no wars or outside conflicts they were engaged in until Rose's Rebellion. The show literally never addressed any of this, the gems had no motivation for half the shit they were doing in the first place.
I always thought that was because the Gems were a worker race designed by some alien species to colonize plants on their behalf. Colonize, conquer, terraform, or destroy as they see fit. The warring technology, mindset, ability to adjust to any gravity, and disregard for organic life I figured were leftovers from their initial programing instructions and specifications they were created with. They don't really feel like a species that developed, grew, or evolved at all. They've always felt more like a species that was created as they are with the goal of expansion in mind. No where this alien species that created them initially is I have no idea but that's a whole other thing entirely.
Yeah it's a really common fan theory that they're basically a borderline AI species that gained sapience and then either went rogue or just lost their masters and continued doing what they were doing, but again the show never addresses this one way or another.
Wanting fans to forgive the Diamonds killed SU's world building. The crew had to go out of their way to say on Twitter that Homeworld had only colonized uninhabited until settling on Earth, and that there was absolutely NO casuality during the war. Way to kill any interest in your lore for the sake of some "feel good" shit.
To me, Gems always were ran and expanded their Empire because it's what they did best and it gave every single one a purpose, from the smallest cog in the machine to the largest. They would harvest bountiful planets and felt no remorse exterminating entire species, as they didn't view organics as life.
At the very least, the broad layer of elite who derived power and wealth from organising, logistics and servicing the constant expansion should have a civil war since they suddenly lost everything.
But since this is an interstellar civilisation of immortal robots that has been in decline for thousands of years, this could happen in a couple of centuries.
Every gem should obey its Diamond and bare his children, even the other Diamonds.
Butt
I've always interpreted this as Connie and the gems playing a prank on Steven, she's the only one that's actually pregnant but she passed around the test to the gems could all pretend it was theirs.
Who is pro-choice?
all of them, and they choose to give birth to steven's children.
impregnate.
I watched like 3 episodes when this very first came out
I barely remember anything about it. Something about eating ice cream, a glowing belly button and a big butch black woman with an afro
Knowing everything you know now, should I spend my time watching it through?
No, it starts alright but the show really ends up sucking by the end. If you do watch it anyway, just stop after season 2. Season 2 is the last decent season.
Okay thanks, appreciate that
This
You legitimately need an anime-tier episode guide after Season 2, there is just straight up worthless episodes that can utterly kill the enjoyment of the show. And even the ones that are mandatory for the rest of the show going forward can be hit or miss.
No. The series ended up becoming a showcase of Sugar's lib mentality handwaving away everything that wasn't feel-good time-of-the-moment stuff as "simply not important".
>Knowing everything you know now, should I spend my time watching it through?
You'll never know if it was worth watching if you don't watch it.
But isn't it the least bit curious that those first 3 episodes introduce a cherubic main character that is so aggressively loud, whiny and annoying and that these anons that are telling you to skip series are also implying those are the best ones?
I don't really know what you're saying. Does he get sidelined or what?
No, he's implying that the main character gets worse as the series goes on, and the episodes where he was a petulant, whiny child were the BEST ones.
>implying that the main character gets worse as the series goes on
False.
>I don't really know what you're saying. Does he get sidelined or what?
Steven is the show. Over the course of the series, you will watch him grow from petulant whiny child to a leader of gems and savior of two civilizations.
If I were to hazard a guess, based on nearly 10 years of observing anons lose their shit, the problem with the show, Season 2 and beyond, is nearly everything else but Steven.
The relationship with Connie. Beach City and it's townies. Frybo and his sneeple. Peridot and the Cluster. Centipeedle and the chaaaps. Lars, Lion and the space pirates. The rubies. The diamonds. The truth about Rose and the rebellion. Spinel's backstory. The writers' forced ships. Rebecca's marriage.
You name it, it's a problem.
It's just a bit curious is all. Ranting for over a decade and telling others not to watch...
If, hypothetically speaking, a gem-human hybrid was fried by some heat death ray that incinerated them to ash, leaving only their gem behind, which then reformed into their previous shape, now a pure gem, but still possessing all the memories and personality they had before, would that person have survived death, or would it be a gem replica born from the (literal) ashes of a dead human?
Genuinely wish whatever the frick that pink steven bullshit that was going on in Change Your Mind had the time to be properly explained. It's so far vaguely implying either that Pink Diamond's entirety was practically flashed over like a computer for Steven's being to be inserted into the gem.
But it could also be that it's still just a super in denial Pink Diamond trying to keep Steven in tact as that is her new identity now.
If anything is an indication that the show still had more to tell, it's everything to do with Steven's gem specifics.
What honestly changes in the show if Pink actually tested just how much the other diamonds cared for her and fought as herself? The one thing she was always trying to run away from? Being herself?
The likelihood that the diamonds still nuke the earth even with Pink actively on it is definitely still there, but if they actually cared for her as much as their grieving or denial later on in the canon series shows from her fake shattering, the Earth might actually reach peace agreements if the diamonds truly see Pink actually showing the leadership traits of a diamond for this cause she's actively fighting for.
And plus, she also doesn't need to put the Earth's gem grown homeworld soldiers, and the rebels against one another for a front, that shit is just weird and is something I think the show actively tries to tiptoe around that she had to have been leading both sides of that conflict when it's actually pointless in the grand scheme of trying to defend the earth from Homeworld, just lead both sides to defend the planet, screw the shitty disguise that a basic b***h ass lawyer like Zircon can call into question from just looking at the bare minimum pieces of evidence.
I imagine the issue is if Pink had openly rebelled then White would have immediately stepped in and curb stomped her
What would their kids be like, Stevenbros?
who did finn frick to make Riely?
>who did finn frick to make Riely?
think it was Fionna
if two people frick and the only difference between their DNA is the XX/XY chromosome, will the child be inbred or basically a clone?
Waaaay inbred.
I'd assume clone since no matter what combination of genes they get from the parents it will be the same
There's only a 50% percent change for each gene to consist of the same two halves as in the genetically identical parent.
The other 50% is a doubling up of the same half.
Having the same genetic code twice instead of two different ones to correct each other is what causes birth defects.
Having it for literally half of your genes is even worse than the product of direct sibling incest, and way WAY worse than cousin marriages, which are our go to point of comparison when it comes to the results of incest.
>if two people frick and the only difference between their DNA is the XX/XY chromosome, will the child be inbred or basically a clone?
the thing is Aaa has everyone's gender bent and presumably that goes through all of its history and when you apply that logic* the truth is even though Finn and Fionna are alternate versions of each other they probably aren't actually remotely genetically related
*this is why I generally don't like Universal Rule 63 scenarios it becomes a headache once you apply the slightest bit of logic to the scenario
Susan Strong.
Can gems pregnant, dough?
Yes, Rose clearly got pregnant.
Sigh... I'm a slow drawer, but it does spark imagination.
Can a gem hybrid have two gems?
How would a conversation between Steven and pic related go?
>Inb4 Steven feeds Beerus the bits and instantly gets on his good side.
I dropped it around 1/3 into the second season. Episodes where Steven sees unpleasent sides to his father and Amythest he didn't expect or realizes that the gems aren't perfect but are trying their best for his sake were intersting but had no consequences going forward so whatever.
None of these would happen everyone hates Stephen because he is a fat whiny homosexual
why does Cinemaphile like eating up piles of horeshit like this show?
if you want genuine horseshit go watch the PPG Reboot.
this show just wasted it's potential like a lot of the cartoons on the board that actually gets the board in a frenzy, because it could have been greater.
Why are space rock women compatible with human DNA anways? How does that even make sense?
it's apparently because said space rock women can adapt with enough time... and presumably research.
i could try to explain it more, but that's the bare minimum gist the show uses to try and justify everything that occurs with Steven that breaks through the human and gem barriers, or when Rose managed to do so herself
Because we are just that cool
Why not? They’re fricking aliens. Why do the diamonds know English?
I'll do you one better. Why are the Diamonds apparently familiar with organic life and civilizations and disdainful of them if they've never encountered them before?
>Why do the diamonds know English?
Story convenience, this happens in a ton of media with aliens.
There's the answer for
Simple answer: They're humanoid and it's a cartoon
Lore answer: They can shapeshift a functional womb and thus presumably an egg cell with a compatible X chromosome
In my headcanon Yellow diamond collects human weaponry because she thinks they're neat.
That's cute
Wow. They are all going to die.
I want my own Pearl!
yeah i call dips on the blue one
I sympathize.
Purple Pearl is God tier.