Well never know. He could've wound up at least competent after adjusting. The lives of his men should've obviously outweighed an opportunity for him to personally prove otherwise, but I've always disliked the intense insistence from viewers that he was hopeless. He's a tragic man with serious issues, but the truth is its much more tragic that he never even got the chance to truly prove himself. His own son made comments at a reunion many years later and said he was a good dad that worked very very hard and was always determined to get everything done for the Army. I have always seen him as a man that simply lost his one chance to truly prove himself.
you cant let someone prove themselves with the lives of others, if he doesnt suddenly show an entirely new side to himself, the entire company dies
thats not a gamble you make
Officers always prove themselves with the lives of others. I agree with you, but even Winters and other officers irl probably get men killed multiple times adjusting to real combat. Sobel shouldn't have been given the opportunity to prove himself, but that's what's so sad about it. The guy was intensely unlikable but maybe I just always felt bad for him.
Giving such a man a "chance" as you put it would put their entire company at risk of annihilation. These were isolated paratroopers. Mistake of placement behind enemy lines doesnt mean dig in and wait for back up it means youre all going to die. He did prove himself for better or worse. Hes not going to be suddenly better when its real bullets flying.
Measure is unceasing.
You people have no clue what you are talking about. He did see combat and he did succeed in it.
See:
The idea that Sobel was not a proper combat soldier is a dumb meme and I hate this show for propagating it. He fought at D-Day, parachuting into Normandy just like the soldiers depicted in the show. >Immediately after landing, Sobel assembled four men and destroyed a German machine gun nest with grenades before joining the rest of the division near Carentan.
Have you ever parachuted into Normandy and fricked up Germans with grenades, anons?
See that's interesting, I actually didn't know that. I know the book(and series) were based on the personal recollections of the troops, so maybe they just didn't like him and some of it was just them disparaging him. Kind of reminds me of Casey Kasem in Generation Kill and how after the show aired they asked around and a bunch of marines wound up saying he was a stand up guy and the depiction of him wasn't completely accurate.
Why was he such a terrible combat leader, but Winters was a based combat leader? Especially since israelitebel trained Winters.
Well never know. He could've wound up at least competent after adjusting. The lives of his men should've obviously outweighed an opportunity for him to personally prove otherwise, but I've always disliked the intense insistence from viewers that he was hopeless. He's a tragic man with serious issues, but the truth is its much more tragic that he never even got the chance to truly prove himself. His own son made comments at a reunion many years later and said he was a good dad that worked very very hard and was always determined to get everything done for the Army. I have always seen him as a man that simply lost his one chance to truly prove himself.
Reminder that Dog Company had higher combat readiness than Easy. Everyone talks about Sobel when the real hero was Sink.
Guy was such a frick up when he attempted to an hero he placed the barrel of the pistol too low and severed his optical nerves. He got to live the rest of his life blind (17 more years). Died of malnutrition and there was no funeral.
gets nervous in pressure situations, no sense of direction, no ability to read a map, no capacity for spacial thinking, unable to make decisions, unable to let more capable people make those decisions for him
There's a slight misconception that military officers earn their rank through applicable experience. But in the 1930s the last war for America was done nearly 2 decades prior, so Sobel would've been just as inexperienced as the men he was training. Some men pick it up immediately, some take longer. I don't think Sobel had ever seen combat.
Also dont forget (assuming USA army is the smae as 1st world countries armies)
COs are only COs because they have a degree in whatever field, which then allows them to go to a military university before actual enlistment.
In laymans terms it means all that is different from a CO and a grunt is that the CO read a couple of books beforehand.
Another "spirtual" sequal to BoB came out, this time about the air force or some shit. But it wasn't anywhere as good so people are getting nostalgic for Band of Brothers
>only got through 3 episodes of Masters of the Air
The dude who played Elvis was good, but overall it was so shit I was too bored to continue
Tons of shit cgi in it too, at least in BoB and The Pacific it was scarce like the ship in Australia
What more can be done to show the perspective of the Allies? We've been making movies about WW2 for 80yrs.
I guess you could do a thriller or horror about Japanese war crimes but honestly nobody wants nip protagonists and there's no good Ally POVs from that Pacific Theatre for war crimes.
Maybe? North Africa has been well covered by video games and the Italians made dozens of movies. The Brits and Canadians also have a far bigger impact in the Italian Compaign than the Americans so Hollywood has little social reason to pick it up.
I think we just gotta accept that area of history has been covered to death and we gotta move on
There hasnt been much significant made about the naval battles in the Pacific. You could make a pretty good series about those. The Battle of Leyte Gulf could be a whole series by itself. Even a serious movie about Taffy 3 would be pretty epic.
Taffy 3 is fricking insane, no one on maritime history had bigger balls than the suicidal nutjobs driving those tin can death machines. They fought the biggest battleships ever made in human history, and won. They made the biggest naval force ever assembled on Earth turn tail and flee. Absolutely insane shit.
If you asked someone to make up the craziest naval battle they could think of...it would be less insane than the Battle of Leyte Gulf, and especially Taffy 3. The USS Johnston is the original Leeroy Jenkins
>pilots ordered to be decoys and draw off fire away from the carriers >your plane has no bombs or ammo >throw clipboard and coke bottle at the enemy ship instead
If you asked someone to make up the craziest naval battle they could think of...it would be less insane than the Battle of Leyte Gulf, and especially Taffy 3. The USS Johnston is the original Leeroy Jenkins
>pilots ordered to be decoys and draw off fire away from the carriers >your plane has no bombs or ammo >throw clipboard and coke bottle at the enemy ship instead
Taffy 3 is fricking insane, no one on maritime history had bigger balls than the suicidal nutjobs driving those tin can death machines. They fought the biggest battleships ever made in human history, and won. They made the biggest naval force ever assembled on Earth turn tail and flee. Absolutely insane shit.
how about a movie from the perspective of the real tragic heroes, that doesn't demonize them as cartoonishly evil for wanting a country free of a subversive hostile tribe?
Actually I think I would like something from the Chinese perspective, I know they got trounced, but I honestly don't know much beyond that.
Not sure Modern Day china would let them be shown in a bad light like that.
The idea that Sobel was not a proper combat soldier is a dumb meme and I hate this show for propagating it. He fought at D-Day, parachuting into Normandy just like the soldiers depicted in the show. >Immediately after landing, Sobel assembled four men and destroyed a German machine gun nest with grenades before joining the rest of the division near Carentan.
Have you ever parachuted into Normandy and fricked up Germans with grenades, anons?
Show also did the episode 3 guy dirty. Saying he died in 1948 when he lived, served in the Korean War and earned a Silver Star there and died 20 years after that.
You are talking semantics.
I am trying to explain reality of the situation (of war)
A commission as you call it, is a superficial certificate given to a person who goes through military training before hand (training in the art of war one would assume)
Enlistment is done by both but in the 3rd world country of USA, because they are grammatical morons, they call and "enlisted man" a different thing. As if an "enlisted" man is separate from another person...who also enlisted (CO)
Enlist: >To engage (persons or a person) for service in the armed forces. To engage the support or cooperation of. To enter the armed forces.
In actual reality, of war, neither has any experience and both are on equal footing.
The real difference being, as you stated. One is able to execute orders over another.
Both bleed and breath the same and both have no experience in war on how to keep the latter happening and former from not happening.
it's army noodles with catsup
Lieutenant OP thinks this is a plate of spaghetti, OP your weekend pass is revoked.
I'll make you some carbonara with cheese and real guancale from pork, you christ-slayer.
3 miles up, 3 miles down
I WOULDNT TAKE THIS RUSTY PIECE OF SHIT TO WAR
AND I WILL NOT TAKE YOU TO WAR IN YOIR CURRENT CONDITION
*Friends theme song begins*
I’ll be there for you (when Berlin starts to fall)
How about a bacon sandwich Sobel?
PORNOGRAPHY
CONTRABAND
I think he was a good training officer, but I would not want to jump into combat with him.
I think that was the point. That's why the major forced him to remain as a training officer.
Well never know. He could've wound up at least competent after adjusting. The lives of his men should've obviously outweighed an opportunity for him to personally prove otherwise, but I've always disliked the intense insistence from viewers that he was hopeless. He's a tragic man with serious issues, but the truth is its much more tragic that he never even got the chance to truly prove himself. His own son made comments at a reunion many years later and said he was a good dad that worked very very hard and was always determined to get everything done for the Army. I have always seen him as a man that simply lost his one chance to truly prove himself.
you cant let someone prove themselves with the lives of others, if he doesnt suddenly show an entirely new side to himself, the entire company dies
thats not a gamble you make
Officers always prove themselves with the lives of others. I agree with you, but even Winters and other officers irl probably get men killed multiple times adjusting to real combat. Sobel shouldn't have been given the opportunity to prove himself, but that's what's so sad about it. The guy was intensely unlikable but maybe I just always felt bad for him.
He DID prove himself, just incapable. If you cant do it in exercise you double cant do it when people are shooting at you.
i also felt bad for him. the thing he was best at was making people hate his guts
Giving such a man a "chance" as you put it would put their entire company at risk of annihilation. These were isolated paratroopers. Mistake of placement behind enemy lines doesnt mean dig in and wait for back up it means youre all going to die. He did prove himself for better or worse. Hes not going to be suddenly better when its real bullets flying.
Measure is unceasing.
Sobel was having anxiety attacks during training exercises in peaceful England. He wasn't ever going to succeed in combat
You people have no clue what you are talking about. He did see combat and he did succeed in it.
See:
See that's interesting, I actually didn't know that. I know the book(and series) were based on the personal recollections of the troops, so maybe they just didn't like him and some of it was just them disparaging him. Kind of reminds me of Casey Kasem in Generation Kill and how after the show aired they asked around and a bunch of marines wound up saying he was a stand up guy and the depiction of him wasn't completely accurate.
I wouldn't be surprised if they just slandered him because of what an extraordinarily tough training officer he was. Plus he was israeli.
Reminder that Dog Company had higher combat readiness than Easy. Everyone talks about Sobel when the real hero was Sink.
That's because Easy was always used as the spearhead and suffered more casualties. They even covered this in the show.
..and this how of a member of a tribe survived the war and let the goym die on their behalf.
>it's a he tucked his pants into his boots episode
REVOKED
These are Cinemaphile users Lieutenant they have no personal property.
Actually true.
What the frick was his problem?
That prick's a son of Abraham.
If I looked that catoonishly israeli I'd shoot myself like he did
Guy was such a frick up when he attempted to an hero he placed the barrel of the pistol too low and severed his optical nerves. He got to live the rest of his life blind (17 more years). Died of malnutrition and there was no funeral.
>barrel of the pistol too low
moron used a .22 anon
You cant even kill a squirrel with that shit
Why was he such a terrible combat leader, but Winters was a based combat leader? Especially since israelitebel trained Winters.
Character, something that can't be trained.
he was a taskmaster not a leader
gets nervous in pressure situations, no sense of direction, no ability to read a map, no capacity for spacial thinking, unable to make decisions, unable to let more capable people make those decisions for him
israelite vs Protestant work ethic.
There's a slight misconception that military officers earn their rank through applicable experience. But in the 1930s the last war for America was done nearly 2 decades prior, so Sobel would've been just as inexperienced as the men he was training. Some men pick it up immediately, some take longer. I don't think Sobel had ever seen combat.
Also dont forget (assuming USA army is the smae as 1st world countries armies)
COs are only COs because they have a degree in whatever field, which then allows them to go to a military university before actual enlistment.
In laymans terms it means all that is different from a CO and a grunt is that the CO read a couple of books beforehand.
He cracked too easily under pressure and he literally couldn't read a map to save his life.
You've done it now, yanks.
You've captured me.
Now show us where the feet photos are hidden
>ywn play comfy hide and seek with American GI's in the English countryside
Test
Whats with the sudden surge in Band of Brothers shit on social media etc.?
What kind of narrative are "they" pushing this time?
nostalgia?
Its just the algorithim choosing shit at random. No one's in control of anything anymore.
Low army recruitment
WW3 around the corner
Another "spirtual" sequal to BoB came out, this time about the air force or some shit. But it wasn't anywhere as good so people are getting nostalgic for Band of Brothers
>on social media
ho would anon know...anon is not a moron like you spending time on israelitebook or shitter
go back
He also likes not knowing where the brain is located on a human head
for me, it's Buck Compton
is this his only role where hes not a bad guy?
What do you mean he played an american in this
he was an alright guy in ravenous
would stream scream with
I'm a Roechad personally
im a hallcel
>if you only knew how bad things really are
Also kek on the file name
WHAT YOU LIKE ARE GROOMING STANDARDS
POLICE THAT MOOSTACHE
>WHAT IS THE GOD-DAMN HOLDUP, MR. SOBEL?
How do you respond without sounding mad?
>OH THAT DOG JUST WONT HUNT
Cut the barbed wire fence?
For me, it's the Last Patrol.
>only got through 3 episodes of Masters of the Air
The dude who played Elvis was good, but overall it was so shit I was too bored to continue
Tons of shit cgi in it too, at least in BoB and The Pacific it was scarce like the ship in Australia
Its pretty sad that nothing's topped BoB in the last 20 years. The Pacific was alright, but there's just been a serious lack of good WWII kino.
What more can be done to show the perspective of the Allies? We've been making movies about WW2 for 80yrs.
I guess you could do a thriller or horror about Japanese war crimes but honestly nobody wants nip protagonists and there's no good Ally POVs from that Pacific Theatre for war crimes.
Maybe more North Africa or Italy stuff. Not nearly as many movies for that.
Maybe? North Africa has been well covered by video games and the Italians made dozens of movies. The Brits and Canadians also have a far bigger impact in the Italian Compaign than the Americans so Hollywood has little social reason to pick it up.
I think we just gotta accept that area of history has been covered to death and we gotta move on
There hasnt been much significant made about the naval battles in the Pacific. You could make a pretty good series about those. The Battle of Leyte Gulf could be a whole series by itself. Even a serious movie about Taffy 3 would be pretty epic.
Taffy 3 is fricking insane, no one on maritime history had bigger balls than the suicidal nutjobs driving those tin can death machines. They fought the biggest battleships ever made in human history, and won. They made the biggest naval force ever assembled on Earth turn tail and flee. Absolutely insane shit.
If you asked someone to make up the craziest naval battle they could think of...it would be less insane than the Battle of Leyte Gulf, and especially Taffy 3. The USS Johnston is the original Leeroy Jenkins
>pilots ordered to be decoys and draw off fire away from the carriers
>your plane has no bombs or ammo
>throw clipboard and coke bottle at the enemy ship instead
good book for these stories?
dunno about books but there are some great videos on youtube about Taffy 3 etc
how about a movie from the perspective of the real tragic heroes, that doesn't demonize them as cartoonishly evil for wanting a country free of a subversive hostile tribe?
Nobody gives a shit about the Chinese perspective.
Actually I think I would like something from the Chinese perspective, I know they got trounced, but I honestly don't know much beyond that.
Not sure Modern Day china would let them be shown in a bad light like that.
>subversive
Why are incels so obsessed with this word?
Anything (done right) from the German perspective would be kino
Sauce on this is Doromamire no Tora: Miyazaki Hayao Mousou Note btw
a movie made about the battle for castle itter would be top kino and not something we've seen in ww2 media
The idea that Sobel was not a proper combat soldier is a dumb meme and I hate this show for propagating it. He fought at D-Day, parachuting into Normandy just like the soldiers depicted in the show.
>Immediately after landing, Sobel assembled four men and destroyed a German machine gun nest with grenades before joining the rest of the division near Carentan.
Have you ever parachuted into Normandy and fricked up Germans with grenades, anons?
Show also did the episode 3 guy dirty. Saying he died in 1948 when he lived, served in the Korean War and earned a Silver Star there and died 20 years after that.
They really should change the characters name if they decide to take that kind of liberty with their wartime records.
You mean Blithe. And you're right, they completely lied about his service. Guy was a hero in Korea and died from a botched ulcer surgery 🙁
have you?
or have you just read about it?
>David Schwimmer
>6'1
That short? He seems to be towering everyone in boot camp.
Sobel was a garrison soldier through and through, great for training purposes but keep him the hell away from any sort of field work
winters should have been more like trombley
Right, a lot of military kinos. What should I watch? or should I rock a Charles Bronson film?
You are talking semantics.
I am trying to explain reality of the situation (of war)
A commission as you call it, is a superficial certificate given to a person who goes through military training before hand (training in the art of war one would assume)
Enlistment is done by both but in the 3rd world country of USA, because they are grammatical morons, they call and "enlisted man" a different thing. As if an "enlisted" man is separate from another person...who also enlisted (CO)
Enlist:
>To engage (persons or a person) for service in the armed forces. To engage the support or cooperation of. To enter the armed forces.
In actual reality, of war, neither has any experience and both are on equal footing.
The real difference being, as you stated. One is able to execute orders over another.
Both bleed and breath the same and both have no experience in war on how to keep the latter happening and former from not happening.