Not him but this is not a new story mate and we all knew it from the start. It's the annual proceduraly generated summer event, it's always the same shit
Nobody likes them. Even less so in this case because the shit that was Dark Crisis felt like it was last month, half the books that are interrupted for this shit were either at a climax or issue 2.
Batman was at a stopping point. Action Comics just ended an arc, Flash just ended and the new run hasn't started yet, the previous issue of Green Lantern leads directly into his Knight Terrors tie-in and is written by the same guy. Superman left off on a major cliffhanger that we're going to have to wait to see resolved, but I thought for the most part it was handled pretty cleanly.
12 months ago
Anonymous
But what's even the point though? People are less interested in a dream event comic then just reading the comics they were already reading.
12 months ago
Anonymous
For me it took all the sails out the GL book, it felt tacked on. And ending Superman on such a cliffhanger made me hate this ugly event even more
12 months ago
Anonymous
Post a picture of the most recent DC floppies you bought.
12 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not at home right now, but the titles I mentioned are all ones on my pull list.
>but what's the fricking point of this event?
I think part of the idea behind Dawn of DC was to make the universe feel more cohesive, and they wanted an event that was truly line-wide, to make the universe feel truly connected.
You think? Because to me it feels like the only thought that went into it was "look it's a new year and we got a couple of changes to our creative teams, let's put a name on it so it sounds more "important"
This should have just been a Deadman ongoing or a new JL: Dark run. Only thing of this I'm interested in is the Green Lantern story since Carol got sucked in with Hal so his run is at least still sort of ongoing.
>or a new JL: Dark run
Do not ever mention that name again. The Justice League Dark was the worst thing to happen to every character involved and I don't ever want to see that shit again.
Except if you actually look at their books they’ve done quite a lot, from relaunching titles, bringing in entirely new creative teams and/or going to a new synergistic direction, etc. all which justify branding the thing as a new chapter in DC comics and good jumping in point. And they do this shit every five or so years because people want to see shake ups and bigger changes so things don’t stagnate.
It’s very lazy and dishonest “criticism” to say they just slapped a new name to make it seem important.
New synergistic direction? Where? Because each books seems to be doing their own thing, sometimes even contradicting each other. Supes is doing the Supercorp thing in his titular book while he does the Super-extended-family thing in Action (which I think does a disservice to everyone involved but that's another matter), Jon is with them in Action while he went to Injusticeverse in that other book (I think, I'm not reading that crap), the United Planets left sector 2814 without a GL in Hal's book but Kyle appears in the Doom Patrol, and he does so as a JL agent while in other books they're doing that thing where they've disbanded, etc.
Maybe the batbooks are synergistic and technically that'd mean most of their production is, but I've read my fill of Batman for a lifetime so I'm just not bothering with them anymore.
>Different books do different things, that’s not synergy!
Oh my God, dude. You can’t be this stupid. There is a very clear synergy going on with different Superman titles. Just because every title isn’t referencing immediately what other books are doing that week doesn’t mean there is no synergy. Action Comics introduced list of things that are now being done in other spin off books like Steelworks. Doom Patrol is a self-contained mini that can take place whenever, it doesn’t have to be happening simultaneously with Green Lantern. Jon can have his own mini and still appear in other books.
12 months ago
Anonymous
>Doom Patrol is a self-contained mini that can take place whenever, it doesn’t have to be happening simultaneously with Green Lantern. Jon can have his own mini and still appear in other books.
Okay, so why do they have the Dawn of DC sticker then? I'll tell you why, because they're being published in 2023 which is the year of Dawn of DC. That's it.
12 months ago
Anonymous
It’s called branding. It’s there to promote the book as a good jumping in point.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, so like I said at the start, they thought up a name to make it seem "important" and carried on with their day.
And btw of course Steelworks synergizes with Action, it's a spin-off book.
12 months ago
Anonymous
So synergy is actually happening, unlike you claimed. And whining about a company using umbrella branding for a new book is still stupid. Okay so you don’t like it. So what. Your aren’t doing anything but b***hing about it for silly reasons because you object “importance” association to it. Who gives a shit.
12 months ago
Anonymous
So now I don't like it? When did I ever say that? The only thing I claimed is that it doesn't have any thought behind it, which I still maintain.
If you want my opinion I'm more on board with individual stories rather than a big shared world, but that's been one of the main draws of Marvel and DC forever so we're stuck there. I do wish there was an actual direction for the DCU though, but there probably won't be one until they hire an actual editor team.
12 months ago
Anonymous
What kind of a thought does it need to be behind it then?
>You think? Because to me it feels like the only thought that went into it was "look it's a new year and we got a couple of changes to our creative teams, let's put a name on it so it sounds more "important"
No, DC honestly feels different to me now. I think they're really trying to address some problems. Doesn't mean every book they're putting out is great, but I'm buying way more DC than I was last year and I'm enjoying a lot of it.
Right now it feels like they're trying hard to make the whole universe matter, not just Batman. They've got some really good writers putting out great work. Some people can complain about Tini Howard writing a couple of books, but I think they should focus on what's good from DC now, and I think there's quite a bit.
12 months ago
Anonymous
>Right now it feels like they're trying hard to make the whole universe matter
No it feels more like they're putting cart before horse like they've been doing since Dark Mights Metal.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Exactly how are they doing that? What should they be doing instead?
12 months ago
Anonymous
>Exactly how are they doing that?
Do you know empty the DCU is compared to just 8 years ago? It's barren because of still of building up the world they keep making pie in the sky promises about returning to some ideal status quo.
12 months ago
Anonymous
>What should they be doing instead?
The one thing they will never do, giving these story ideas room to breathe and grow.
12 months ago
Anonymous
That doesn’t mean anything.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Because all of the writers are allowed to do whatever they like. Every 6-18 months a book is completely turned over and none of what happened over the last year matters any more.
The only time they keep changes are things people don’t want like jon being aged up or Tim being made gay.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Not only Tim being gay but Tim being gay with someone other then Conner.
12 months ago
Anonymous
None of the stories ever matter. It’s serialised fiction. What happened last year never mattered because they’re doing new stories in the present.
Dr Destiny is an old bad guy? I thought it was just a nod at Dr Fate
Jesus fricking Christ people don’t even know Dr. Destiny anymore?
Damn, maybe they should have explained his backstory instead of Deadman's then. I know who Deadman is, and even if I didn't his past is not relevant to this plot.
His backstory is literally explained in the story. He controls dreams and has fought Justice League and used a stone. That’s all you need to know
12 months ago
Anonymous
>That’s all you need to know
That's not true, you have to know about his appearance in The Sandman.
12 months ago
Anonymous
>none of it ever mattered
Yes this is what you modern homosexuals think because you have never spent money on a comic.
12 months ago
Anonymous
>anon forfeits all credibility forever
quite the play
12 months ago
Anonymous
Anons point was that they spent so long with Boston recounting his story when that time would have been better spent with destiny. You know this but you’re being an insufferable fricking c**t.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Boston is actually an active character in the comic. And Dr. Destiny gets multiple pages dedicated to him. You’re full of shit
12 months ago
Anonymous
>Boston is actually an active character in the comic.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Would you really call him active when all he does is explain his whole backstory and then shit happens? Obviously he is eventually gonna play a big role, or so the solicits say, but I'd say the usual one panel "hello I'm Boston Brand, I'm dead and I can possess people" would be a perfectly fine introduction. I don't see the circus or Rama Kushna coming into play in this event in particular y'know
I didn't know who Deadman was but I like him in this comic.
Boston is always cool, this was far from his best.
12 months ago
Anonymous
>None of the stories ever matter
They at least left an impression on the reader.
12 months ago
Anonymous
>trying hard to make the whole universe matter, not just Batman >by having about half their books be about Batman or his spawn
Are we reading the same stuff anon? Because it feels like you live in another universe.
12 months ago
Anonymous
PKJ, Williamson and Taylor are not putting out great work.
Only waid, of all fricking people, is writing worthwhile comics for DC. Every single other ongoing is still just as awful as they’ve been since 2018.
12 months ago
Anonymous
>Only waid
Best big two comic out now, but by no means worthwhile.
There are no worthwhile DC or Marvel comics these days.
Comic book “events” should only last one month
The main “event book” comes out weekly for the month (super sized issues)
Then whatever tie in issues you have
Events or "events" shouldn't be a thing at all.
Goddamn, they got you guys whipped.
12 months ago
Anonymous
I like Williamson's Supes too. I think I like TEC
Zdarsky on Batman has been the biggest disappointment in years
12 months ago
Anonymous
I thought Zdarsky's first arc was great. I wasn't sure about the second arc because I'm just burnt out on multiverse stuff, but I thought for a multiverse story it was pretty good and won me over. I know some people aren't happy about the upcoming Catwoman crossover, but I don't think Tini's the worst writer in the world, and I'll pick up her couple of issues.
12 months ago
Anonymous
I liked the first arc, but I'm in multiverse fatigue and I certainly dont agree with you that its a good one. The only issue of it I liked was the one where he met all the other Batman on the way back.
And I do think Tini is the worst writer DC has, now anyway, and im not going to read any of her shite
12 months ago
Anonymous
>but I don't think Tini's the worst writer in the world, and I'll pick up her couple of issues.
No you won’t, you’ve never bought a comic in your life
12 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't think Tini's the worst writer in the world,
no, just the worst writer in the comic book industry. she's completely butchered catwoman. you literally have catwoman fan accounts quitting twitter because of her lmao
12 months ago
Anonymous
I haven't read her Catwoman at all so I can't say. But I read her Knights of X or whatever and I didn't hate it. Wasn't great, but it could've been worse.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Good god you HoXPoX newbies will slurp up anything
12 months ago
Anonymous
If you haven't read her Catwoman there's no point in picking up her Knight Terrors issues as it deals with her creepy sex fantasy OC that no one but tini likes, and a new reader will not understand.
12 months ago
Anonymous
She's not worse than Megan Fitzmartin.
12 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't think Tini's the worst writer in the world,
no, just the worst writer in the comic book industry. she's completely butchered catwoman. you literally have catwoman fan accounts quitting twitter because of her lmao
Tini, Fitzmartin, Shammas, and Castellucci give writers who CAN do good work like Thompson and Tamaki and to some extent Williams both a bad name and pressure to conform to their terrible writing.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Fricking have a nice day if you’re going to sit here and try to tell me Kelly Thompson and Mariko Tamaki have ever written a good comic.
I’m so sick of you “yeah but actually” shills.
At least Williams wrote a cute Barbarella crossover. All of her other comics are dogshit though.
And yes it’s obvious you’re this
I haven't read her Catwoman at all so I can't say. But I read her Knights of X or whatever and I didn't hate it. Wasn't great, but it could've been worse.
homosexual who slurps up marvel’s excrement
12 months ago
Anonymous
Kelly Thompson's Black Widow and Rogue and Gambit: Ring of Fire were excellent.
Mariko Tamaki's Supergirl: Being Super, Wonder Woman, and Detective Comics run (including Two Face One Bad Day) were very good.
Just because they have both written a bunch of bad stuff as well doesn't mean they haven't written good stuff. I don't have to defend I Am Not Starfire to like Shadows of the Bat.
LOLLLL. I write reviews of Tini Howard's Catwoman, and I wish I could quit because they're so bad. I loathe her work so much.
I think I like Tini Howard more than Kelly Thompson, and I DEFINITELY like her more than Leah Williams.
...HOW anon? Howard is so, so bad!
12 months ago
Anonymous
Mariko Tamaki’s detective comics was absolutely fricking dreadful. Kelly Thompson has never written a good comic.
You don’t write shit you fat c**t.
12 months ago
Anonymous
interesting. So now I'm Tamaki?
get back to work jim
lol, I'm Japanese, not Korean. WASIST!
12 months ago
Anonymous
get back to work jim
12 months ago
Anonymous
>...HOW anon? Howard is so, so bad!
To be fair I haven't read too much from any of them. I haven't read any of Kelly Thompson's stuff that is considered her better work, like those you mentioned. But comparing Tini Howard to the Leah Williams Power Girl story from Action Comics, I'd take Tini any day.
12 months ago
Anonymous
I'll take leah
12 months ago
Anonymous
leah sucks but I'd still take her
12 months ago
Anonymous
I agreed with you on some things, but if you think TEC from Tamaki is anything but mediocre, you just have bad taste. And Tamaki's One Bad Day was trash. Just a worse version of a DCAU comic with basically the same plot
12 months ago
Anonymous
They have. Deal with it.
12 months ago
Anonymous
I think I like Tini Howard more than Kelly Thompson, and I DEFINITELY like her more than Leah Williams.
12 months ago
Anonymous
I disagree
12 months ago
Anonymous
Williamson's Supes is not good.
I don't know how you fall for Zdarsky Batman.
I thought Zdarsky's first arc was great. I wasn't sure about the second arc because I'm just burnt out on multiverse stuff, but I thought for a multiverse story it was pretty good and won me over. I know some people aren't happy about the upcoming Catwoman crossover, but I don't think Tini's the worst writer in the world, and I'll pick up her couple of issues.
You're far too obvious, shill.
12 months ago
Anonymous
I like it. The art is iffy, but its fun.
I fell for Zdarsky Batman because I dropped his Daredevil Run before he joined the hand. I had some believe that he could write a decent Batman. Now that I'm caught up Im kind of embarrassed that I ever thought Zdarsky was great lol
12 months ago
Anonymous
Williamson's Supes is not good.
I don't know how you fall for Zdarsky Batman.
[...]
You're far too obvious, shill.
I think Superman has potential, and it's an entertaing read nonetheless. Wouldn't personally call it good, but it's decent.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Thats fair. Honestly, DC's output since Metal has been so Meh, i'm probably just too easily impressed at this point.
I feel the same way for Superman and Lois
12 months ago
Anonymous
>i'm probably just too easily impressed
DEFINITELY too easily impressed. No one in their right mind would find the last 5 or so years of big two comics acceptable, let alone good.
12 months ago
Anonymous
The Flash by Adams
12 months ago
Anonymous
Mediocre.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Post your favorite comics. Post your bookshelf.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Favorite cape comics or favorite comics in general?
12 months ago
Anonymous
Capes
12 months ago
Anonymous
>off the top of my head
All-Star Superman
Arkham Asylum
Astro City
Batman/Detective Comics by Denny O'Neil
Batman: Year One
Captain Britain by Alan Moore
Daredevil: Born Again
Dark Knight Returns
DC: The New Frontier
Doctor Strange and Doctor Doom: Triumph & Torment
Elektra: Assassin
Fantastic Four by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby
Flex Mentallo
Hitman
The Invisibles
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen I and II
Magnus, Robot Fighter by Russ Manning
Manhunter by Archie Goodwin
Miracleman by Alan Moore
Nexus
Nick Fury by Steranko
Pax Americana
Planetary
Plastic Man by Jack Cole
Promethea
Punisher by Chuck Dixon
Punisher by Garth Ennis
Saga of the Swamp Thing by Alan Moore
Silver Age Superman by Ed Pinsent
The Spirit by Will Eisner
Superman: For the Man Who Has Everything
Supreme: The Story of the Year
Tom Strong
Top Ten
Watchmen
Zenith
12 months ago
Anonymous
Overrated
12 months ago
Anonymous
Post your favorite comics. Post your bookshelf.
12 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know why comic "fans" have to be so cynical about everything.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Being a fan these days means hating everything
12 months ago
Anonymous
If it’s so entertaining I’m sure you’re buying it right?
Thats fair. Honestly, DC's output since Metal has been so Meh, i'm probably just too easily impressed at this point.
I feel the same way for Superman and Lois
Are you saying metal was anything but absolute dogshit?
12 months ago
Anonymous
Buying floppies? At five bucks a piece? No way gay
12 months ago
Anonymous
>Are you saying metal was anything but absolute dogshit
Oh I didnt even read that shit lmao. Im saying that before metal there were some decent books (i think?) And ever since Metal started DC has been shite
12 months ago
Anonymous
Nta, but I've bought every issue of this Superman series and I plan to continue.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Europoor here, im buying the trade
12 months ago
Anonymous
Prove it. Include hand in picture.
12 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not at home but if the thread is still up I will.
12 months ago
Anonymous
First anon you asked here; what is this supposed to prove in the first place?
12 months ago
Anonymous
>I was lying but its feasible that I COULD have bought it
12 months ago
Anonymous
Nono, I already told you I don't buy floppies
Buying floppies? At five bucks a piece? No way gay
From what I've read they were all pretty meh. Not bad, not great, but what's the fricking point of this event?
Just wait for tini's Catwoman and Harley issues though, then the real nightmares will begin. And Danny Lore's Punchline, oh boy.
Much simpler answer: a lot of comics are falling behind schedule so this knight terrors event (originally meant for halloween) was released early so comic creators have more time to catch up on their deadlines
Green Lantern's last issue leads directly into Knight Terrors and I think some of the other books do too. I'm not reading Harley but I think that book leads right into the event as well.
Dawn of DC books have been shipping on time. Knight Terrors was announced in February with no mention of it being Halloween scheduled. There's no proof of anything in this comment.
I do get that. I like what I've read since I like horror comics, but I was liking Superman and it does suck a little bit that I have to wait two months to see the payoff of the cliffhanger in the last issue. But I just kind of accept it because I did enjoy what I've gotten from the event so far.
But this doesn’t derail any ongoing run. At worst you just don’t get new issues for two months, during which if you don’t want to read the crossover you can try reading something else. This is a mild inconvenience at worst
This should have just been a Deadman ongoing or a new JL: Dark run. Only thing of this I'm interested in is the Green Lantern story since Carol got sucked in with Hal so his run is at least still sort of ongoing.
They’re using Batman because Batman helps to sell the event. And if they didn’t use the trinity people would be b***hing about the event not mattering and wtf are they. If this is something you get butthurt about, you do you boo but it’s a ridiculous complaint
The point is to sell comics. People want events to “matter” and the only way they “matter” in the eyes of readers is when they have Batman and co. in them and there’s more than just a core title tying into it. That is how this works, how fans think
12 months ago
Anonymous
>People want events to “matter”
Why would anyone think this event matters though?
12 months ago
Anonymous
Because DC spends two month focusing on it
12 months ago
Anonymous
And doesn't that logic apply to regular titles then?
12 months ago
Anonymous
Ongoing books have their own ridiculous logic. If the story isn’t big enough then it’s “filler”
12 months ago
Anonymous
>People want events to “matter”
Why would anyone think this event matters though?
Because DC spends two month focusing on it
And doesn't that logic apply to regular titles then?
Ongoing books have their own ridiculous logic. If the story isn’t big enough then it’s “filler”
You're making an entirely circular argument here by saying this event comic matters because it's an event comic and event comic matters. This is just nightmares characters are having, could've been isolated to it's own mini without making it a company wide event.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Event comics matter because people want event comics to matter. Same way they don’t like smaller stories because it’s filler and thus “don’t matter” and sales go down. If you had made this into a small isolated mini it would have sold like shit and be ignored because it’s not important. By making it a company level event it becomes important by having tie-ins. That is how it works.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Does it actually work like that though? Wouldn't the more logical choice would just be ignore the event and the tie-ins that I'm not interested in?
12 months ago
Anonymous
Fanboys don’t operate by logic m. Shit, half the time fanboys whine about wanting one thing and then whine when it’s given to them and don’t buy it
12 months ago
Anonymous
>Fanboys don’t operate by logic m
What fanboys tho?
12 months ago
Anonymous
>whine when it’s given to them and don’t buy it
Because its always done in a compromised way. >super sons is back! >but it’s out of continuity and digital first >what do you mean you won’t buy this!? You never wanted it back then!
12 months ago
Anonymous
>B-but it’s compromised!
If that’s your attitude, shut the frick up. You don’t deserve to get anything you want.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Make me shut the frick up homosexual. I buy comics, you don’t.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Lol what? They told you exactly why you were wrong and your answer was “blehhh I don’t like you no comics for you”? What a homosexual.
12 months ago
Anonymous
No, they just went full fanboy with “it’s not exactly how I wanted it!!!”
12 months ago
Anonymous
>YOU MUST TAKE YOUR NOSTALGIA MINIS AND SHUT THE FRICK UP
Blow your brains out shill
12 months ago
Anonymous
Except now people are gonna stop buying the main titles for two months because they know they can skip them and they'll not miss any important detail for the story they actually want to read.
12 months ago
Anonymous
>Except now people are gonna stop buying the main titles for two months
You should get your tastebuds checked then. Like, even adjusting me expectations to "cheap summer event" the moment I saw fricking Harley Quinn contact Batman on his private line to randomly tell him how the guy whose death they were currently investigating (of which Harley had no idea) was having a seizure in Arkham I just had enough.
Damn, maybe they should have explained his backstory instead of Deadman's then. I know who Deadman is, and even if I didn't his past is not relevant to this plot.
Yeah you have to know that this was an old silver age justice league supervillain who in the 80s had his power source changed to something that is near godlike in power.
But strangely if you did knew that you instead be asking yourself why the beyond godlike entity that owned the dreamstone isn't stepping in here?
Comic book “events” should only last one month
The main “event book” comes out weekly for the month (super sized issues)
Then whatever tie in issues you have
This is objectively true. I’d treat them like PPVs. One at Christmas one at July give the creative teams 6 months to do whatever the frick they like in between.
Either that or preferably they should be actually thought out storylines that get hinted at throughout a relatively long period and only involve the relevant titles that have been working towards them instead of involving the whole line at arbitrary times to fill a yearly quota.
is this insomnia guy some old villain or someone they created just for the event? i don't understand why they didn't just use dr. destiny as the main villain.
The fact that people decided to check this out at all is disheartening.
You'll never learn, will you?
Op is an unpaid DC Shill. Can’t even bother to change filenames.
This guy
posted his anti-shill post several times. So which one is a spammer?
>It’s disheartening that people like a comic because it’s a fairly standard small
scale summer event for couple of months
People just like to complain about everything these days
>small
10 ongoings put on hold for two months isn’t small.
>inb4 you act like you’re older than me and that I don’t know what 52 was
Other events being larger doesn’t make this small or negligible
>boo-hoo you should be a miserable gay like me who never even gives new stories a chance
Not him but this is not a new story mate and we all knew it from the start. It's the annual proceduraly generated summer event, it's always the same shit
>Baaawwwww events bad
That’s your opinion. Most people want and like them
Nobody likes them. Even less so in this case because the shit that was Dark Crisis felt like it was last month, half the books that are interrupted for this shit were either at a climax or issue 2.
Batman was at a stopping point. Action Comics just ended an arc, Flash just ended and the new run hasn't started yet, the previous issue of Green Lantern leads directly into his Knight Terrors tie-in and is written by the same guy. Superman left off on a major cliffhanger that we're going to have to wait to see resolved, but I thought for the most part it was handled pretty cleanly.
But what's even the point though? People are less interested in a dream event comic then just reading the comics they were already reading.
For me it took all the sails out the GL book, it felt tacked on. And ending Superman on such a cliffhanger made me hate this ugly event even more
Post a picture of the most recent DC floppies you bought.
I'm not at home right now, but the titles I mentioned are all ones on my pull list.
From what I've read they were all pretty meh. Not bad, not great, but what's the fricking point of this event?
Just wait for tini's Catwoman and Harley issues though, then the real nightmares will begin. And Danny Lore's Punchline, oh boy.
>but what's the fricking point of this event?
I think part of the idea behind Dawn of DC was to make the universe feel more cohesive, and they wanted an event that was truly line-wide, to make the universe feel truly connected.
they failed then
You think? Because to me it feels like the only thought that went into it was "look it's a new year and we got a couple of changes to our creative teams, let's put a name on it so it sounds more "important"
>or a new JL: Dark run
Do not ever mention that name again. The Justice League Dark was the worst thing to happen to every character involved and I don't ever want to see that shit again.
Except if you actually look at their books they’ve done quite a lot, from relaunching titles, bringing in entirely new creative teams and/or going to a new synergistic direction, etc. all which justify branding the thing as a new chapter in DC comics and good jumping in point. And they do this shit every five or so years because people want to see shake ups and bigger changes so things don’t stagnate.
It’s very lazy and dishonest “criticism” to say they just slapped a new name to make it seem important.
New synergistic direction? Where? Because each books seems to be doing their own thing, sometimes even contradicting each other. Supes is doing the Supercorp thing in his titular book while he does the Super-extended-family thing in Action (which I think does a disservice to everyone involved but that's another matter), Jon is with them in Action while he went to Injusticeverse in that other book (I think, I'm not reading that crap), the United Planets left sector 2814 without a GL in Hal's book but Kyle appears in the Doom Patrol, and he does so as a JL agent while in other books they're doing that thing where they've disbanded, etc.
Maybe the batbooks are synergistic and technically that'd mean most of their production is, but I've read my fill of Batman for a lifetime so I'm just not bothering with them anymore.
>Different books do different things, that’s not synergy!
Oh my God, dude. You can’t be this stupid. There is a very clear synergy going on with different Superman titles. Just because every title isn’t referencing immediately what other books are doing that week doesn’t mean there is no synergy. Action Comics introduced list of things that are now being done in other spin off books like Steelworks. Doom Patrol is a self-contained mini that can take place whenever, it doesn’t have to be happening simultaneously with Green Lantern. Jon can have his own mini and still appear in other books.
>Doom Patrol is a self-contained mini that can take place whenever, it doesn’t have to be happening simultaneously with Green Lantern. Jon can have his own mini and still appear in other books.
Okay, so why do they have the Dawn of DC sticker then? I'll tell you why, because they're being published in 2023 which is the year of Dawn of DC. That's it.
It’s called branding. It’s there to promote the book as a good jumping in point.
Yeah, so like I said at the start, they thought up a name to make it seem "important" and carried on with their day.
And btw of course Steelworks synergizes with Action, it's a spin-off book.
So synergy is actually happening, unlike you claimed. And whining about a company using umbrella branding for a new book is still stupid. Okay so you don’t like it. So what. Your aren’t doing anything but b***hing about it for silly reasons because you object “importance” association to it. Who gives a shit.
So now I don't like it? When did I ever say that? The only thing I claimed is that it doesn't have any thought behind it, which I still maintain.
If you want my opinion I'm more on board with individual stories rather than a big shared world, but that's been one of the main draws of Marvel and DC forever so we're stuck there. I do wish there was an actual direction for the DCU though, but there probably won't be one until they hire an actual editor team.
What kind of a thought does it need to be behind it then?
What even counts as an actual “direction” for DC?
>You think? Because to me it feels like the only thought that went into it was "look it's a new year and we got a couple of changes to our creative teams, let's put a name on it so it sounds more "important"
No, DC honestly feels different to me now. I think they're really trying to address some problems. Doesn't mean every book they're putting out is great, but I'm buying way more DC than I was last year and I'm enjoying a lot of it.
>No, DC honestly feels different to me now.
Does it? Because this is literally just more of the same shit Scott Snyder was pushing 6 years ago.
Right now it feels like they're trying hard to make the whole universe matter, not just Batman. They've got some really good writers putting out great work. Some people can complain about Tini Howard writing a couple of books, but I think they should focus on what's good from DC now, and I think there's quite a bit.
>Right now it feels like they're trying hard to make the whole universe matter
No it feels more like they're putting cart before horse like they've been doing since Dark Mights Metal.
Exactly how are they doing that? What should they be doing instead?
>Exactly how are they doing that?
Do you know empty the DCU is compared to just 8 years ago? It's barren because of still of building up the world they keep making pie in the sky promises about returning to some ideal status quo.
>What should they be doing instead?
The one thing they will never do, giving these story ideas room to breathe and grow.
That doesn’t mean anything.
Because all of the writers are allowed to do whatever they like. Every 6-18 months a book is completely turned over and none of what happened over the last year matters any more.
The only time they keep changes are things people don’t want like jon being aged up or Tim being made gay.
Not only Tim being gay but Tim being gay with someone other then Conner.
None of the stories ever matter. It’s serialised fiction. What happened last year never mattered because they’re doing new stories in the present.
Jesus fricking Christ people don’t even know Dr. Destiny anymore?
His backstory is literally explained in the story. He controls dreams and has fought Justice League and used a stone. That’s all you need to know
>That’s all you need to know
That's not true, you have to know about his appearance in The Sandman.
>none of it ever mattered
Yes this is what you modern homosexuals think because you have never spent money on a comic.
>anon forfeits all credibility forever
quite the play
Anons point was that they spent so long with Boston recounting his story when that time would have been better spent with destiny. You know this but you’re being an insufferable fricking c**t.
Boston is actually an active character in the comic. And Dr. Destiny gets multiple pages dedicated to him. You’re full of shit
>Boston is actually an active character in the comic.
Would you really call him active when all he does is explain his whole backstory and then shit happens? Obviously he is eventually gonna play a big role, or so the solicits say, but I'd say the usual one panel "hello I'm Boston Brand, I'm dead and I can possess people" would be a perfectly fine introduction. I don't see the circus or Rama Kushna coming into play in this event in particular y'know
Boston is always cool, this was far from his best.
>None of the stories ever matter
They at least left an impression on the reader.
>trying hard to make the whole universe matter, not just Batman
>by having about half their books be about Batman or his spawn
Are we reading the same stuff anon? Because it feels like you live in another universe.
PKJ, Williamson and Taylor are not putting out great work.
Only waid, of all fricking people, is writing worthwhile comics for DC. Every single other ongoing is still just as awful as they’ve been since 2018.
>Only waid
Best big two comic out now, but by no means worthwhile.
There are no worthwhile DC or Marvel comics these days.
Events or "events" shouldn't be a thing at all.
Goddamn, they got you guys whipped.
I like Williamson's Supes too. I think I like TEC
Zdarsky on Batman has been the biggest disappointment in years
I thought Zdarsky's first arc was great. I wasn't sure about the second arc because I'm just burnt out on multiverse stuff, but I thought for a multiverse story it was pretty good and won me over. I know some people aren't happy about the upcoming Catwoman crossover, but I don't think Tini's the worst writer in the world, and I'll pick up her couple of issues.
I liked the first arc, but I'm in multiverse fatigue and I certainly dont agree with you that its a good one. The only issue of it I liked was the one where he met all the other Batman on the way back.
And I do think Tini is the worst writer DC has, now anyway, and im not going to read any of her shite
>but I don't think Tini's the worst writer in the world, and I'll pick up her couple of issues.
No you won’t, you’ve never bought a comic in your life
>I don't think Tini's the worst writer in the world,
no, just the worst writer in the comic book industry. she's completely butchered catwoman. you literally have catwoman fan accounts quitting twitter because of her lmao
I haven't read her Catwoman at all so I can't say. But I read her Knights of X or whatever and I didn't hate it. Wasn't great, but it could've been worse.
Good god you HoXPoX newbies will slurp up anything
If you haven't read her Catwoman there's no point in picking up her Knight Terrors issues as it deals with her creepy sex fantasy OC that no one but tini likes, and a new reader will not understand.
She's not worse than Megan Fitzmartin.
Tini, Fitzmartin, Shammas, and Castellucci give writers who CAN do good work like Thompson and Tamaki and to some extent Williams both a bad name and pressure to conform to their terrible writing.
Fricking have a nice day if you’re going to sit here and try to tell me Kelly Thompson and Mariko Tamaki have ever written a good comic.
I’m so sick of you “yeah but actually” shills.
At least Williams wrote a cute Barbarella crossover. All of her other comics are dogshit though.
And yes it’s obvious you’re this
homosexual who slurps up marvel’s excrement
Kelly Thompson's Black Widow and Rogue and Gambit: Ring of Fire were excellent.
Mariko Tamaki's Supergirl: Being Super, Wonder Woman, and Detective Comics run (including Two Face One Bad Day) were very good.
Just because they have both written a bunch of bad stuff as well doesn't mean they haven't written good stuff. I don't have to defend I Am Not Starfire to like Shadows of the Bat.
LOLLLL. I write reviews of Tini Howard's Catwoman, and I wish I could quit because they're so bad. I loathe her work so much.
...HOW anon? Howard is so, so bad!
Mariko Tamaki’s detective comics was absolutely fricking dreadful. Kelly Thompson has never written a good comic.
You don’t write shit you fat c**t.
interesting. So now I'm Tamaki?
lol, I'm Japanese, not Korean. WASIST!
get back to work jim
>...HOW anon? Howard is so, so bad!
To be fair I haven't read too much from any of them. I haven't read any of Kelly Thompson's stuff that is considered her better work, like those you mentioned. But comparing Tini Howard to the Leah Williams Power Girl story from Action Comics, I'd take Tini any day.
I'll take leah
leah sucks but I'd still take her
I agreed with you on some things, but if you think TEC from Tamaki is anything but mediocre, you just have bad taste. And Tamaki's One Bad Day was trash. Just a worse version of a DCAU comic with basically the same plot
They have. Deal with it.
I think I like Tini Howard more than Kelly Thompson, and I DEFINITELY like her more than Leah Williams.
I disagree
Williamson's Supes is not good.
I don't know how you fall for Zdarsky Batman.
You're far too obvious, shill.
I like it. The art is iffy, but its fun.
I fell for Zdarsky Batman because I dropped his Daredevil Run before he joined the hand. I had some believe that he could write a decent Batman. Now that I'm caught up Im kind of embarrassed that I ever thought Zdarsky was great lol
I think Superman has potential, and it's an entertaing read nonetheless. Wouldn't personally call it good, but it's decent.
Thats fair. Honestly, DC's output since Metal has been so Meh, i'm probably just too easily impressed at this point.
I feel the same way for Superman and Lois
>i'm probably just too easily impressed
DEFINITELY too easily impressed. No one in their right mind would find the last 5 or so years of big two comics acceptable, let alone good.
The Flash by Adams
Mediocre.
Post your favorite comics. Post your bookshelf.
Favorite cape comics or favorite comics in general?
Capes
>off the top of my head
All-Star Superman
Arkham Asylum
Astro City
Batman/Detective Comics by Denny O'Neil
Batman: Year One
Captain Britain by Alan Moore
Daredevil: Born Again
Dark Knight Returns
DC: The New Frontier
Doctor Strange and Doctor Doom: Triumph & Torment
Elektra: Assassin
Fantastic Four by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby
Flex Mentallo
Hitman
The Invisibles
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen I and II
Magnus, Robot Fighter by Russ Manning
Manhunter by Archie Goodwin
Miracleman by Alan Moore
Nexus
Nick Fury by Steranko
Pax Americana
Planetary
Plastic Man by Jack Cole
Promethea
Punisher by Chuck Dixon
Punisher by Garth Ennis
Saga of the Swamp Thing by Alan Moore
Silver Age Superman by Ed Pinsent
The Spirit by Will Eisner
Superman: For the Man Who Has Everything
Supreme: The Story of the Year
Tom Strong
Top Ten
Watchmen
Zenith
Overrated
I don't know why comic "fans" have to be so cynical about everything.
Being a fan these days means hating everything
If it’s so entertaining I’m sure you’re buying it right?
Are you saying metal was anything but absolute dogshit?
Buying floppies? At five bucks a piece? No way gay
>Are you saying metal was anything but absolute dogshit
Oh I didnt even read that shit lmao. Im saying that before metal there were some decent books (i think?) And ever since Metal started DC has been shite
Nta, but I've bought every issue of this Superman series and I plan to continue.
Europoor here, im buying the trade
Prove it. Include hand in picture.
I'm not at home but if the thread is still up I will.
First anon you asked here; what is this supposed to prove in the first place?
>I was lying but its feasible that I COULD have bought it
Nono, I already told you I don't buy floppies
>make the universe feel more cohesive
>by having a event that is largely AUs and What-ifs that is by nature incoherent.
They’re about characters being stuck in nightmares during an event. Nothing you’re b***hing about is valid or even coherent criticism.
That's exactly my point though, how does this event lend to a more cohesive universal setting when most of the event is about personal nightmares.
Much simpler answer: a lot of comics are falling behind schedule so this knight terrors event (originally meant for halloween) was released early so comic creators have more time to catch up on their deadlines
>a lot of comics are falling behind schedule
That's crazy because lot of this series are starting from a Point A origin.
Green Lantern's last issue leads directly into Knight Terrors and I think some of the other books do too. I'm not reading Harley but I think that book leads right into the event as well.
Green Lantern's last issue directly cuts off all the plot points it was introducing to shoehorn in an excuse for the event tie-in
Dawn of DC books have been shipping on time. Knight Terrors was announced in February with no mention of it being Halloween scheduled. There's no proof of anything in this comment.
shipping means nothing. creators need more time to breath behind the scenes. its preventative measure for upcoming deadlines.
Liking it isn't gonna justify its existence OP.
I'm just tired and want to read a newer run that doesn't have to take 4 issues out the 12 we get a year focused on event shit.
I do get that. I like what I've read since I like horror comics, but I was liking Superman and it does suck a little bit that I have to wait two months to see the payoff of the cliffhanger in the last issue. But I just kind of accept it because I did enjoy what I've gotten from the event so far.
But this doesn’t derail any ongoing run. At worst you just don’t get new issues for two months, during which if you don’t want to read the crossover you can try reading something else. This is a mild inconvenience at worst
Two months is a ridiculously long time though. That's 8 weeks where dozens of titles are being put on hold for an event.
>But this doesn’t derail any ongoing run.
>At worst you just don’t get new issues for two months
Anon those are mutually exclusive statements
This should have just been a Deadman ongoing or a new JL: Dark run. Only thing of this I'm interested in is the Green Lantern story since Carol got sucked in with Hal so his run is at least still sort of ongoing.
>This should have just been a comic nobody reads or buys
Heaven forbid that DC uses their other characters instead of Batman.
Makes me glad they are going bankrupt.
They’re using Batman because Batman helps to sell the event. And if they didn’t use the trinity people would be b***hing about the event not mattering and wtf are they. If this is something you get butthurt about, you do you boo but it’s a ridiculous complaint
If you can't sell the event on its own merit then what's even the point?
The point is to sell comics. People want events to “matter” and the only way they “matter” in the eyes of readers is when they have Batman and co. in them and there’s more than just a core title tying into it. That is how this works, how fans think
>People want events to “matter”
Why would anyone think this event matters though?
Because DC spends two month focusing on it
And doesn't that logic apply to regular titles then?
Ongoing books have their own ridiculous logic. If the story isn’t big enough then it’s “filler”
You're making an entirely circular argument here by saying this event comic matters because it's an event comic and event comic matters. This is just nightmares characters are having, could've been isolated to it's own mini without making it a company wide event.
Event comics matter because people want event comics to matter. Same way they don’t like smaller stories because it’s filler and thus “don’t matter” and sales go down. If you had made this into a small isolated mini it would have sold like shit and be ignored because it’s not important. By making it a company level event it becomes important by having tie-ins. That is how it works.
Does it actually work like that though? Wouldn't the more logical choice would just be ignore the event and the tie-ins that I'm not interested in?
Fanboys don’t operate by logic m. Shit, half the time fanboys whine about wanting one thing and then whine when it’s given to them and don’t buy it
>Fanboys don’t operate by logic m
What fanboys tho?
>whine when it’s given to them and don’t buy it
Because its always done in a compromised way.
>super sons is back!
>but it’s out of continuity and digital first
>what do you mean you won’t buy this!? You never wanted it back then!
>B-but it’s compromised!
If that’s your attitude, shut the frick up. You don’t deserve to get anything you want.
Make me shut the frick up homosexual. I buy comics, you don’t.
Lol what? They told you exactly why you were wrong and your answer was “blehhh I don’t like you no comics for you”? What a homosexual.
No, they just went full fanboy with “it’s not exactly how I wanted it!!!”
>YOU MUST TAKE YOUR NOSTALGIA MINIS AND SHUT THE FRICK UP
Blow your brains out shill
Except now people are gonna stop buying the main titles for two months because they know they can skip them and they'll not miss any important detail for the story they actually want to read.
>Except now people are gonna stop buying the main titles for two months
And they’re gonna buy tie-ins instead.
Hows the weather in Lala land?
I'd like a Deadman ongoing.
As far as events go this one isn’t too bad. Although I am concerned as to why The Endless aren’t stepping in
You should get your tastebuds checked then. Like, even adjusting me expectations to "cheap summer event" the moment I saw fricking Harley Quinn contact Batman on his private line to randomly tell him how the guy whose death they were currently investigating (of which Harley had no idea) was having a seizure in Arkham I just had enough.
yep
I don’t like “epic new villain kills off old bad guy”
Even if you think the old bad guy is lame you should just not use them
Dr Destiny is an old bad guy? I thought it was just a nod at Dr Fate
See that's funny because this whole event kinda hinges on you knowing that character's entire backstory.
Damn, maybe they should have explained his backstory instead of Deadman's then. I know who Deadman is, and even if I didn't his past is not relevant to this plot.
Yeah you have to know that this was an old silver age justice league supervillain who in the 80s had his power source changed to something that is near godlike in power.
But strangely if you did knew that you instead be asking yourself why the beyond godlike entity that owned the dreamstone isn't stepping in here?
Comic book “events” should only last one month
The main “event book” comes out weekly for the month (super sized issues)
Then whatever tie in issues you have
This is objectively true. I’d treat them like PPVs. One at Christmas one at July give the creative teams 6 months to do whatever the frick they like in between.
Either that or preferably they should be actually thought out storylines that get hinted at throughout a relatively long period and only involve the relevant titles that have been working towards them instead of involving the whole line at arbitrary times to fill a yearly quota.
I didn't know who Deadman was but I like him in this comic.
is this insomnia guy some old villain or someone they created just for the event? i don't understand why they didn't just use dr. destiny as the main villain.
I’m only getting the GL issues.
Hopefully the rest of the event is just Deadman wearing Batman's skin.