So this is why people hate remender? Because he didn’t instill mutants with a victim mentality so that blubbering POC and LGZTVA people could self insert with them?
>He is right.
He is but that's not the mentality of the modern race movement. That devolved from 'we want to be treated like everyone else' since they already had that to 'we want to be treated better than everyone else (eg mandatory inclusion in every work, a list of words we find offensive that can never be spoken in public, more free money and opportunities on top of what you were already giving us, etc.)'
>That devolved from 'we want to be treated like everyone else' since they already had that to 'we want to be treated better than everyone else (eg mandatory inclusion in every work, a list of words we find offensive that can never be spoken in public, more free money and opportunities on top of what you were already giving us, etc.)' >it went from "Please stop treating us like shit" to "start compensating us for treating us like shit for the past 200 years"
>That devolved from 'we want to be treated like everyone else' since they already had that
Yeah, why, just look at this thread, on this board, on this website. No racism anywhere!
That’s the opposite of what Alex is saying though. He’s basically saying Mutant is a word that they themselves have embraced just like they embraced being seen as different. They used it to band together people with horrible, destructive views weigh heroic figures simply because it’s “us vs them”.
Only someone who unironically thinks the krakoa era is well-written and “right” would think this is bad.
>blubbering POC and LGZTVA
Man, that's so weird, because none of them have posted in this thread, but a bunch of b***h pissbaby straight white boys are in here expressing their victim complex.
Counterpoint; all discrimination is punishable by law.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/starbucks-discrimination-lawsuit-awarded-white-employee-25-million/story?id=100104620
yes, but the threshold of what constitutes discrimination to protected classes is lower, in some instances low enough that not going out of your way to accomodate them is discrimination
which to be clear, it definitely should be in some cases, especially in cases of physical disability, but the conversation isn't as simple as this
3 months ago
Anonymous
I get what you're saying too, but I don't currently buy into the idea that "reverse racism" (such a dumb term) is worse than standard racism. Not saying it can't eventually get there, but we're not even close yet.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think people argue it is worse, but just as bad, which is seen as a contentious view when so many people buy into the "racism = discrimination + power" definition (not out of genuine reasoned belief but out of political tribalism).
Seeing people being openly racist about your general identity get applauded by progressives is a bit jarring and something the left should sort out asap because this shit is incredibly unserious.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>something the left should sort out asap
Yeah, they should really stop autocannibalizing in general.
Truly Christian blacks belong in the same Heaven as truly Christian whites and messianic. Because they made the same choices and picked the same tribe.
The worst kinda threads on this board are ones where a guy randomly finds an image/post or something online where someone makes any statement
And just comments "he's right" "true" "do you agree?" etc
Because everyone on Cinemaphile is such an unbelievable moron that they can't tell it's the world's cheapest, stinkiest and lowest effort bait and yet they still bite and debate it
He is right. Far cry from the days when the integration movement was all about acknowledging our differences but working together and being acknowledged equally under the eyes of the law, and people were getting threatened, their asses beat, or even killed over it.
Well, yeah, these two aren't wrong either. This whole era was about mutants acting like a bunch of smug c**ts to humans because they have bulldozer feet or something. They'll wax on and on about being accepting and embracing whatever alphabet identity they made up that day, but heaven forbid the subject of humans/mutants come up, then they'll sound like Red Skull, just replacing 'white' or 'Aryan' with 'mutant.'
You realize a great number of people from that era, including MLK, advocated for reparations and "special treatment" in order to compensate for decades of Jim Crow, right? It wasn't just "give us rights and we'll shut the frick up forever"
Well, no shit, he wasn't exactly wrong, there were plenty of systems and powerful people in place that purposely disenfranchised and curtailed black development, it would have been just compensating for the decades upon decades of mistreatment to purposely diminish blacks and their ability to accrue any significant amount of power or wealth to potentially challenge whites at their own game.
Great question! As it turns out, 50 years is not a lot of time for the effects of government-backed racism to be alleviated. You can track the median values of homes shockingly well by seeing how it was reclined in previous decades. A lot of this is due to the FHA being completely kneecapped by the Nixon admin after it was passed. He even admitted as much. >In a 1972 “eyes only” memo to Ehrlichman and H.R. Haldeman, another aide, Nixon explained his position. “I am convinced that while legal segregation is totally wrong that forced integration of housing or education is just as wrong,” he wrote. >The president understood the consequences: “I realize that this position will lead us to a situation in which blacks will continue to live for the most part in black neighborhoods and where there will be predominately black schools and predominately white schools.”
Not to mention the Somalians who LEGALLY enter the country, start with nothing, make something of themselves, and completely btfo the idea that it's racism keeping black americans from being successful
The problem is that's what the X-Men are all about nowadays. Idpol bullshit, unironic championing of segregation and eugenics, mutant "heroes" acting like c**ts, or bigger c**ts in some cases, to the rest of the population simply because they're not part of their in-group. The X-Men being a political minefield shitshow is something that's been going on for decades, it's only gotten worse because Marvel is actually making the official stance that the villainous shit that Magneto and Emma Frost were saying back when they were considered full-on villains rather than the semi-villains they are now actually has some merit.
"Hubris" is only recognized in failure. It's a petty phrase people spout to protect the sanctity of the status quo. When someone has an grandiose plan that goes breasts up, the small minded chastise him for ever having pursued that plan in the first place. Imagine if we had that attitude with flight or space exploration? We'd never get off the ground. It's just using the veneer of humility the mask your fear and suffocate your ambition.
I miss the days when the X-men comics and fans were more concerned about how stupid the plotlines were, like Scott abandoning his wife for Jean pussy or Boneclaw Wolverine, than all this shitflinging over race relations because the writers would rather pussyfoot about with a ruined "metaphor" that doesn't make sense the more you pick at it than just fricking use real minorities to deal with this shit. Cause shit, at least we could laugh at noseless gibbering Wolverine being treated with the utmost seriousness.
The difference between Old X Men and New X Men is that Old X Men emphasized that the best way to address the injustice done to the mutant community was to prove their doubters wrong, and work for the common good, because ultimately everyone is still human. Magneto's ideas of violent racial obsessed revolution were seen as bad. New X Man takes basically the opposite tack and seems to believe that creating a parallel society for mutants is the proper way to correct the issue-which, I would point out, sounds an awful lot like seperate but equal, which the authors of these comics almost certainly consider a horribly racist system when applied to black people in America.
Yeah, I remember that. And all considered, it was the most resonant message since mutant characters with powers that could obliterate society were reserved solely for evil villains that basically sulked in evil lairs or elitist uppercrust mansions, compared to the X-men who at least got out of the mansion to interact with regular people once in a while and actually showed they weren't all that different from the normal folk. Nowadays, I just don't know what the frick they're going for, I just know that it reads like they really only want to use the X-men to talk about queer people and minorities, but they're actively worsening any stance they're making by using a minority analogue that they've been literally arguing for a decade now aren't even human nowadays. Like, how fricking cracked is that?
Obligatory.
He is right.
So this is why people hate remender? Because he didn’t instill mutants with a victim mentality so that blubbering POC and LGZTVA people could self insert with them?
>He is right.
He is but that's not the mentality of the modern race movement. That devolved from 'we want to be treated like everyone else' since they already had that to 'we want to be treated better than everyone else (eg mandatory inclusion in every work, a list of words we find offensive that can never be spoken in public, more free money and opportunities on top of what you were already giving us, etc.)'
>That devolved from 'we want to be treated like everyone else' since they already had that to 'we want to be treated better than everyone else (eg mandatory inclusion in every work, a list of words we find offensive that can never be spoken in public, more free money and opportunities on top of what you were already giving us, etc.)'
>it went from "Please stop treating us like shit" to "start compensating us for treating us like shit for the past 200 years"
>That devolved from 'we want to be treated like everyone else' since they already had that
Yeah, why, just look at this thread, on this board, on this website. No racism anywhere!
>he didn’t instill mutants with a victim mentality
>please don't use the m-word
You're legit single digit iq.
That’s the opposite of what Alex is saying though. He’s basically saying Mutant is a word that they themselves have embraced just like they embraced being seen as different. They used it to band together people with horrible, destructive views weigh heroic figures simply because it’s “us vs them”.
Only someone who unironically thinks the krakoa era is well-written and “right” would think this is bad.
It's easy to be respectful of mutants when they're majority white
>blubbering POC and LGZTVA
Man, that's so weird, because none of them have posted in this thread, but a bunch of b***h pissbaby straight white boys are in here expressing their victim complex.
Yeah, but he said don't use mutant, so his very middle of the road speech is wrong.
yeesh. this is the peter david run, right? is there context?
Strong Guy was just trying to stall the press and bullshitting.
>nobody will respect us unless we control everyone’s speech and force them to call us nice words so that is what we will do
What progress
>control everyone’s speech
I wish straight white republicans understood the difference between politeness and fascism.
while I somewhat agree with you, that arguement starts falling flat when "discrimination" against protected classes start being punishable by law
Counterpoint; all discrimination is punishable by law.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/starbucks-discrimination-lawsuit-awarded-white-employee-25-million/story?id=100104620
yes, but the threshold of what constitutes discrimination to protected classes is lower, in some instances low enough that not going out of your way to accomodate them is discrimination
which to be clear, it definitely should be in some cases, especially in cases of physical disability, but the conversation isn't as simple as this
I get what you're saying too, but I don't currently buy into the idea that "reverse racism" (such a dumb term) is worse than standard racism. Not saying it can't eventually get there, but we're not even close yet.
I don't think people argue it is worse, but just as bad, which is seen as a contentious view when so many people buy into the "racism = discrimination + power" definition (not out of genuine reasoned belief but out of political tribalism).
Seeing people being openly racist about your general identity get applauded by progressives is a bit jarring and something the left should sort out asap because this shit is incredibly unserious.
>something the left should sort out asap
Yeah, they should really stop autocannibalizing in general.
>genetically challenged
I'm sure having unfathomable super strength is such a challenge
last time marvel was good, rick remender.
Truly Christian blacks belong in the same Heaven as truly Christian whites and messianic. Because they made the same choices and picked the same tribe.
The worst kinda threads on this board are ones where a guy randomly finds an image/post or something online where someone makes any statement
And just comments "he's right" "true" "do you agree?" etc
Because everyone on Cinemaphile is such an unbelievable moron that they can't tell it's the world's cheapest, stinkiest and lowest effort bait and yet they still bite and debate it
Not enough slurs.
He is right. Far cry from the days when the integration movement was all about acknowledging our differences but working together and being acknowledged equally under the eyes of the law, and people were getting threatened, their asses beat, or even killed over it.
Well, yeah, these two aren't wrong either. This whole era was about mutants acting like a bunch of smug c**ts to humans because they have bulldozer feet or something. They'll wax on and on about being accepting and embracing whatever alphabet identity they made up that day, but heaven forbid the subject of humans/mutants come up, then they'll sound like Red Skull, just replacing 'white' or 'Aryan' with 'mutant.'
You realize a great number of people from that era, including MLK, advocated for reparations and "special treatment" in order to compensate for decades of Jim Crow, right? It wasn't just "give us rights and we'll shut the frick up forever"
Well, no shit, he wasn't exactly wrong, there were plenty of systems and powerful people in place that purposely disenfranchised and curtailed black development, it would have been just compensating for the decades upon decades of mistreatment to purposely diminish blacks and their ability to accrue any significant amount of power or wealth to potentially challenge whites at their own game.
And people actually try to claim Remender is not a bad writer.
I feel like The Avengers Unity Squad is something that gets a good idea on paper but has been poorly executed .
Great question! As it turns out, 50 years is not a lot of time for the effects of government-backed racism to be alleviated. You can track the median values of homes shockingly well by seeing how it was reclined in previous decades. A lot of this is due to the FHA being completely kneecapped by the Nixon admin after it was passed. He even admitted as much.
>In a 1972 “eyes only” memo to Ehrlichman and H.R. Haldeman, another aide, Nixon explained his position. “I am convinced that while legal segregation is totally wrong that forced integration of housing or education is just as wrong,” he wrote.
>The president understood the consequences: “I realize that this position will lead us to a situation in which blacks will continue to live for the most part in black neighborhoods and where there will be predominately black schools and predominately white schools.”
Thanks Mr. homework
But what does that have to do with an illegal who has no familial/geographic ties to that?
Not to mention the Somalians who LEGALLY enter the country, start with nothing, make something of themselves, and completely btfo the idea that it's racism keeping black americans from being successful
What do any of the last 20 threads have to do with the X-Men? Take it to /misc/.
The problem is that's what the X-Men are all about nowadays. Idpol bullshit, unironic championing of segregation and eugenics, mutant "heroes" acting like c**ts, or bigger c**ts in some cases, to the rest of the population simply because they're not part of their in-group. The X-Men being a political minefield shitshow is something that's been going on for decades, it's only gotten worse because Marvel is actually making the official stance that the villainous shit that Magneto and Emma Frost were saying back when they were considered full-on villains rather than the semi-villains they are now actually has some merit.
The X-men have always been politically motivated, chud. Like, that literally the entire point.
>first ones in the room to bring up race
So what you're saying is that Cinemaphile is mostly black people posting.
He's wrong
So, Alex is wrong because Kitty's pussy dried up like the Sahara when she realized her crush was racist?
For such a Kitty fan, Bendis forgot a lot of stuff about Kitty,
>they're always the first ones in the room to bring up race.
I don't think
is black.
You can't just live in peace with them because they will just do this.
This is why mutants don't deserve their own country tbh. They literally never stop.
Mutants?
so? Who cares? We all know that the mutant-human conflict will never end, it's an empty message that won't go anywhere.
"Hubris" is only recognized in failure. It's a petty phrase people spout to protect the sanctity of the status quo. When someone has an grandiose plan that goes breasts up, the small minded chastise him for ever having pursued that plan in the first place. Imagine if we had that attitude with flight or space exploration? We'd never get off the ground. It's just using the veneer of humility the mask your fear and suffocate your ambition.
I miss the days when the X-men comics and fans were more concerned about how stupid the plotlines were, like Scott abandoning his wife for Jean pussy or Boneclaw Wolverine, than all this shitflinging over race relations because the writers would rather pussyfoot about with a ruined "metaphor" that doesn't make sense the more you pick at it than just fricking use real minorities to deal with this shit. Cause shit, at least we could laugh at noseless gibbering Wolverine being treated with the utmost seriousness.
The difference between Old X Men and New X Men is that Old X Men emphasized that the best way to address the injustice done to the mutant community was to prove their doubters wrong, and work for the common good, because ultimately everyone is still human. Magneto's ideas of violent racial obsessed revolution were seen as bad. New X Man takes basically the opposite tack and seems to believe that creating a parallel society for mutants is the proper way to correct the issue-which, I would point out, sounds an awful lot like seperate but equal, which the authors of these comics almost certainly consider a horribly racist system when applied to black people in America.
Yeah, I remember that. And all considered, it was the most resonant message since mutant characters with powers that could obliterate society were reserved solely for evil villains that basically sulked in evil lairs or elitist uppercrust mansions, compared to the X-men who at least got out of the mansion to interact with regular people once in a while and actually showed they weren't all that different from the normal folk. Nowadays, I just don't know what the frick they're going for, I just know that it reads like they really only want to use the X-men to talk about queer people and minorities, but they're actively worsening any stance they're making by using a minority analogue that they've been literally arguing for a decade now aren't even human nowadays. Like, how fricking cracked is that?
>We can shoot laser beams and control the weather but don't call us mutants because we're just like you.