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>If only you knew how bad things really are.
Victim Olympics shit is wrong
It's not really victim Olympics when he's telling people who have it worse than him to stop complaining because he also has it bad
>boo hoo my life is so bad, I can never succeed!
>Sees someone else with a bad life succeed
>STOP PROVING THAT HARD WORK IS ALL YOU NEED TO GET OUT A BAD SITUATION!
>>Sees someone else with a bad life succeed
someone with different circumstances and privileges*
Why do I get the feeling all three of you are in massive amounts of debt and blame society rather than yourselves for the terrible financial decisions you made?
I have no debt because I don't live above my standing. But simping for billionaries won't make it more likely you will be one one day.
He's pals with Reed Richards who has "rich" even in his name. I don't think hard work had shit to do with it.
If you are seen as weird, money doesnt matter. You still get hate! Best example israeli people.
Isn’t Ben israeli?
his life wasn't even 1% as bad as hers, moron. Ben doesn't know shit about suffering. "Boohoo Stacies won't date me anymore because I look ugly" grow up Ben at least you weren't raised by wolves
Oh yeah? How many times did Doctor Doom try yo kill that b***h? And she's privilaged to grow up in a time period where muties have rights and there's a large superhuman/magical being/mutate community world wide, when he FF first got started they were one of the few like them out there, with even fewer being public. Ben had no one outside of the fricking Hulk to related with, while she's saying that shit surrounded by her peers
Ben had an entire superhero team of billionaires living in a scifi mansion, friends, family, his other ultra rich billionaire Uncle, and a girlfriend to be his peers
She grew up in the woods raised by animals because all of humanity kicked her out. The moment she was born her parents tried to kill her.
Ben knew nothing but privilege his entire life. Even as a kid his rich uncle bankrolled his entire existence. Mutant Girl is showing Ben what it means to actually be outcast by the world, to not be allowed to live among them and to eat wolf faeces int he freezing cold while bears hunt you down if you even want to see the light of the new day. Ben is soft and spoiled and a coddled. little. b***h.
*israeli privilege
That's the olympics mindset again though.
I'm very sorry you were raised by wolves, or raped in hell for a billion years, or converted to agonium & used to tile a multiverse. That's fricked up. But my relatively pedestrian shit can still also be bad! There is a 'normal' amount of badness, culturally defined - Benn Grimm objectively has it pretty bad, for a man in ~modern America. Choose a random guy in America, give Ben the chance to have that guy's life instead, he'd probably take it. The existence of beings (3^^^3) times worse off than him does not change that!
What the mutie is saying is something like 'you were born a billionaire, had some bad luck, and are now sad about being merely a millionaire, while I sleep in the gutter'
But that's bullshit. Ben's not a millionaire, (he actually is but for the purposes of this metaphor ignore that) his life sucks. He's got his family, its not all bad, but he's still a freak. He has every right to be sad and complain! This is like a homeless drug addict berating a night shift janitor for failing to count his blessings. It just seems so ludicrously petty and mean spirited.
>That's the olympics mindset again though.
>I don't need to interact with your point my stubbed toe is as bad as your broken leg and if you say otherwise it's olympics
>Could
But it is
Your broken leg does not make my stubbed toe hurt less.
Having a stubbed toe is not 'baseline' even if it is much less serious than a broken leg. Maybe if everything else in my life easily outweighed the injury (eg, I'm a billionaire) I should stfu and suck it up. But if my life _sucks_ (because of/in addition to, doesnt matter) your life sucking much worse is irrelevant. We should commiserate instead of competing over who is more hard done by!
But also
>white
>cis
These ones are a dead giveaway that she doesn't think Ben's life sucks. She thinks racial and sexual privilige trumps everything, literally everything, because they're the central tenants of her writer's religion.
Consider
>black transgirl superhero
>billionaire
>countless good deeds, beloved by all
>unstoppably powerful
Is this character dispriviliged? Of course so, she's black! (That is, it's inconvcievable for these people to consider viewpoint objectivity. Ask them 'What if there was a world where blacks were in charge and whites were oppressed.' and many will just get angry. 'But I did eat breakfast this morning')
>Is this character dispriviliged?
The answer is intersectionality you dip shit this has already been addressed by academia
And the answer of intersectional feminism is 'yes, absolutely, and shame on you for asking'
'Being made of rock' is not on the IRL progressive stack, but 'being born white' sure as frick is. And its not because these people are dumb that they can't entertain a counterfactual, its that such an idea is blasphemous and painful to them, it triggers those 'think good thoughts lest you say the wrong thing, anger your tribe, be outcast & starve in the woods' instincts.
But they're not my tribe, and I can see them acting like damned fools.
>become indestructible mass of rocks that still gets to frick hot chicks
>bad life
Ben's problems get overplayed because it made for good drama in the 60s. Doesn't mean he's led the worst life ever.
Does Ben even have sense of touch with his rock body? How does that even work?
Bens life would 100% shit without his rich friend. They don't so it as much outside FF books but his entire home and the building is fitted around him so he doesn't break it. Even his toilet is specially designed to not explode when he shits bricks.
Yeah dude, there are unlimited slots for success, right? Everyone works hard, everyone wins, right?
just invest in crypto
It is considering that the whole thing is prefaced with “my life has been worse”
that's literally what the victim Olympics is
>You can't complain about your broken arm I've stubbed my toe before
>that's not remotely the same
>VICTIM OLYMPICS
>You can't complain about rent being too high, I never owned a house
victim Olympics means nothing will ever get done. It's just a way to shut down someone else's views/opinions
>It's just a way to shut down someone else's views/opinions
But he was the one shutting her down first, it goes both directions
could you post the full page? I don't remember this being the case. Even if, the it started off as victims Olympics which is the problem
see
also your constantly clinging over so called victim Olympics is a thought terminating cliche
Whoops click the wrong post nevermind ehre it is
Remove
>you were a cis white male
and suddenly she doesn't sound like a total b***h.
/thread
take out that blue hair speak and suddenly it's actually a good critique on how the F4 are mutants that got away from the shit other mutants get on the daily because of money and branding
>Why aren't we appreciated for our contributions to history?
>Puts genocidal maniacs in positions of powers
>even the ones who were geocoding other mutants
Bad apples spoil bunches
Unlike in the real world, in Marvel the Holocause actually happened
And it was done by a human so...
They really should reveal Marvel Hitler was secretly a mutant just for how much it would mindbreak Magneto when he gets brought back and given amnesty on Krakoa.
>her: mutants get shat on, can't we all just get along?
>him: I want to make the world better, find common ground, we're all the same underneath
>her: my parents were abusive which somehow invalidates your point
What is wrong with modern writers like this?
Monet and Angel grew up with a silver spoon in their mouth.
Ben grew up in poverty and lost his brother in a gang fight.
Those identity politics always try to prentend social class is not something relevant.
He didn’t grow up in poverty. His rich uncle paid for him and his lazy dad, then when his dad croaked he moved in with his uncle
He was a wigger pretending to be ghetto
>He didn’t grow up in poverty
What BS will you pull out of your hat this time?
Not watching your hewtube shit, read the comic. His Dad never had a job so his brother and his uncle paid for him. Then when he was a you g kid his jobless dad died and his rich worldclass doctor uncle adopted him
Of course you would pull that bullshit because you're a homosexual.
> His Dad never had a job so his brother and his uncle paid for him
His brother had to pay for him because they were poor and when His brother and family died his Uncle adopted him and help become a better man. If it wasn't for his Uncle, he would still be on the streets as a gang member.
>You’ve still yet to post a single instance of Ben not needing superpowers to do heroics.
here's a pic. Sadly I don't know the comic book number it's from but you'll make some bullshit excuse
If it wasn’t for his rich uncle bankrolling him through everything
Also punching someone to run away in fear isn’t saving people, it’s saving your own hide. You’ve proven my point: Ben could never save a single person without his superpowers
Ha ha ha oh my god the delusion. He sees Ben Grimm without powers in a comic fighting against multiple opponents to save people, and the crazy anon just reinterprets it to be absolute illogical proof that Ben has never and could never save a single person without superpowers. Thank you internet, once again lols were had.
He's just gonna twist it into something moronic.
>to save people
To run away from people trying to save him
Neither of you Benbabies actually read that issue, did you? Not only does he get his superpowers back before any of the real hero shit starts, he never frees any of those slaves, only himself and then runs off
>Neither of you Benbabies actually read that issue, did you? Not only does he get his superpowers back before any of the real hero shit starts, he never frees any of those slaves, only himself and then runs off
Do you have proof? what's the issue number so I can read it because I gave you proof and made an bullshit excuse.
>and made an bullshit excuse.
for got to add the "you" I need to sleep.
His next line is gonna be "but he gains his power back and saves them with his powers".
Seems about right. The issue is FF #19, the one where they fight Rama-Tut for the first time
Remember how fast people turned on the superheroes in Civil War when they demanded they give up their rights for the people’s safety? It’s kind of a universal dickishness, mutants just get the worst of it cause the books made the X-men and their enemies the spokespeople for the non-combatant mutants as well.
>Remember how fast people turned on the superheroes in Civil War
Yeah that was cool and fitting and made the mutant/super issue work. At that time. It also had issues with how it was done but I'll put those aside. The issue I'm talking about is how characters will rightly point out that mutants doing the exact same superheroing things as other supers are treated differently, and there isn't a good enough reason.
It's because the writers want to make it unfair. They want this status quo where mutants are disliked. Some also want to use it as a vehicle to actually talk about gay issues, trans issues, race issues, women's issues, immigration issues and any other progressive belief about bigotry. That's the status quo they don't want to move the story beyond. They have to do a better job giving reasons why that bigotry exists for normal people than 'these guys pal around' and 'some times they change sides', and those reasons should have some crossover and more application to other supers who do the same things. The world can be more internally consistent that way. If there are fair reasons for people to dislike, hate, fear, and/or mistrust mutants than at least some major mutant characters should understand and have empathy for normal people, if these mutants are supposed to be so good and heroic. And if they are that good, than they should make some personal progress at times too. Rather than simply be full of humans suck stories starring buttholes where nothing actually changes except suffering and comforting and shipping.
For what it's worth, the idea that mutants were specifically singled out for discrimination is one started around the 2000's thanks to Grant Morrison making the X-men themselves far more insular at the exact same time their institute was forced to publicly acknowledge its status as a refuge for mutants. In the past, generally it's a given that most of the people who actually want to protest the existence of mutants are a very vocal minority specifically reacting to the actions of superheroes/villains as the cause for their fears of mutants causing widescale damage in society. And I don't just mean in the books of the X-men, you could see it in the Avengers and New Warriors since they had their own mutants who were forced to bear the brunt of the hatred since nobody could excoriate the X-men. Although funny thing is that since the Avengers were a public organization that had to deal with public optics, you get very weird situations like two different groups of people protesting for more diversity in the ranks of the Avengers and protesting the existence of a mutant in their ranks without seeing the irony involved, or a terrorist group so disgusted with the thought of a robot marrying a human they outright said mutants weren't as bad since they were at least HUMAN by comparison.
Otherwise, the given general opinion up until the late 90s for the mutants in Marvel's United States at least was more parallel to other minorities in that they were generally willing to give the hypothetical "normal mutant" the benefit of the doubt, but still had some degree of unconscious bias due to both the positive news surrounding the X-men and the negative news surrounding all the mutant terrorists and criminals. Shit didn't start getting really silly until Decimation occurred and basically permanently shoved the X-men franchise into a "with us or against us" mentality for them all.
…Finish the sentence, you moron. “…runs off to infiltrate the evil dictator’s castle to both save his friends and free the people from the machinations of a time traveling tyrant, even without his superpowers.”, you disingenuous maggot
>Also punching someone to run away in fear isn’t saving people,
he just said he going to set the other people free. He's saving the slaves. How fricking dumb can you get?
>If it wasn’t for his rich uncle bankrolling him through everything
Actually he got a football scholarship to go to college. And when he graduated He joined the Air force. Unless you have some proof that it was he Uncle funding all of this you don't have anything either.
>you've hand dalliance's with models and starlets
hasn't he been with his blind gf like, forever? and that other girl who became she-thing?
Why is everything but the text blurry as hell ?
>Do you think we can find common ground eventually?
>Yeah why not, for example you and I are both weird rock creatures but we're both still just people
>Um, ackshually you were a white man before you became a rock monster, sit down and shut up sweaty
jesus christ someone thought this was good writing
dismissing people's complaints because it COULD be worse completely kills any and all discussion, doesn't matter where it comes from
There was no complaint, there was an assumption on Ben's part he knew exactly what Mutants go through because he has rocky skin. She was correcting that, he doesn't know what they go through
>correcting
>dismissing every struggle you've ever went through because someone else went through worse
so she's just being a b***h to the guy trying to connect and understand?
>Yeah your dad molested you, but my step dad raped me so shut up
Yeah, you can dismiss that someone grew up poor in New York and your Dad drank a lot when they try to compare that to dodging Genocide every day. It's not comparable at all, it should be dismissed because it's a moronic comparison.
You can't walk into a war zone and tell a quadruple amputee you and them have a similar life because your brother beat you up when you're a kid or something. They have it way worse than you do. Mutants have it way worse than Thing.
Going by your logic nothing will ever get done. What you want worker rights? Well third worlders have it worse off so shut the frick up.
What you're pissed that americans can no longer afford housing? Shut up, there are homeless people who have it worse.
You want to start a union for workers rights? Shut up, there are people who can't even work a normal job.
Again, false equivalency. Noone is taking away Ben's right to complain like a little b***h.
If Ben wants to complain about how hawwwwd his fricking life is, fine. But don't tell the Mutant or the Cancer Patient or the Amputee that your life is the same as theirs, because it's not.
>Again, false equivalency. Noone is taking away Ben's right to complain like a little b***h.
Dismissing him because he didn't "suffer enough" is taking away his opinion and viewpoint.
>If Ben wants to complain about how hawwwwd his fricking life is, fine. But don't tell the Mutant or the Cancer Patient or the Amputee that your life is the same as theirs, because it's not.
He's trying to build a connection, to show them they aren't alone and other people understand their situation and wish to help. They're basically spitting in his face for trying to build some understanding between them
>Going by your logic nothing will ever get done.
But something can get done it's recognizing that mutants need to be given respect when they save the day just like humans get
>Ben gives mutants respect and tries to build a connection with them
>they throw it back in his face
Maybe mutants shouldn't attack the people who show them respect. For fricks sake this is how they treat someone who want to help them.
They’ll get it when they stop acting like buttholes. Until MCU synergy stopped it the Avengers also got shit on a lot by the average Marvel citizen, not to mention the likes of Spider-Man or the Hulk
oh boohoo Spider-Man has one mean newspaper say mean things about him (while he literally sells them pictures of himself and rakes in their cash) while everyone else in the city worships and adores him and invite him to star on talk shows. However will he survive this discrimination???
Meanwhile Mutant Little Kids with no superpowers to even defend themselves are hunted and killed in suburbs for being mutants.
But boohoohoo Peter Parker has it sooooo hard
Maybe if muties stopped suppressing cures and stopped acting like they’re gonna obsolete humanity people wouldn’t hate them so much
That's what Ben is doing in this situation.
Literally all he did was answer a question she directly asked him and point out that they were both people regardless of what they looked like.
>I'm had a rough time but I got through
>Yeah? Well, I had it WORSE!!
That's the definition of Oppression Olympics
This. There may be some truth to what she says, but victim olypmics is cringe. And while Ben Grimm HAS had some good things in his life, he's also had a LOT of pain.
Did she just commited israelite-erasure by calling Ben Grimm "white"? Frick off with that nazi b***h!
She’s wrong. The comic wants you to think she’s wrong. OP is a shitposter that has been posting that page or panel several times out of context for bait.
Of course she is wrong. You can't justify israelite-erasure by some petty personal tragedy.
>The comic wants you to think she’s wrong.
lol ok
b8 aside, it is fricked when there are people who turn out far freakier than Ben and have none of his support and accolades
Ben is routinely out there saving lives and making a positive difference in the world. Mutants like her want to sit on their ass all day b***h about unfairness but never want to do anything for anyone.
Why would they be saving regular people? Mutants are homosexual SUPERIOR. They shouldn't risk their lives to help neanderthals who should just go extinct already.
If they’re superior then why are they oppressed?
FRICKING MUTANTS AREN'T MUTANTS UNTIL THEY MUTANT!!!
HOLY SHIT!
What BS this is, how many humans have the x gene and DON'T become mutants? Aren't THEY still mutants by proxy?
>Mutants like her want to sit on their ass all day b***h about unfairness but never want to do anything for anyone. See
her whole point was Mutants and F4 both do altruistic things and his actions are praised while theirs aren't
Wast majority of shit that x-men ever help with is problems caused by other mutants. In grand scheme of things calculation is pretty simple: mutants are not a net positive for the rest of humanity. And that's not even taking into account their attitude.
If the X-men aren't cleaning up after other mutants they're doing clandestine bullshit. The Fantastic Four maintain public relations to explain shit while the x-men frick off to closed communities and hide out.
Might explain why people hate them: average person only ever has negative experiences with mutants and only ever hears about them causing trouble. People would need to be insane to like mutants.
And her whole fricking problem is x-men represents her and she has shit she can say or do about it.
Its like everyone assuming whites are either George Bush or Hitler. Not being a frick up to either of those extremes just makes you a credit to you race.
Except what Krakoa did wasn't altruistic, they did it with explicit quio pro quo for the international recognition of a mutant nation-state. Not to mention they had their dirty laundry such as X-Force or Krakoa becoming a sanctuary for threats like Gorgon, Apocalypse, Sinister and Mystique
Are they remaking Genosha already?
Anon they remade Genosha a decade ago with Utopia. This is their third island micro-nation.
>Except what Krakoa did wasn't altruistic
But in the past before Krakoa back then they were altruistic and despite being as altruistic as the F4 it didn't help them so you can't blame them for trying a different approach
Regardless of the motives, the mutant drugs should've been a game-changer. Eliminating mental illness and lengthening lifespans does far more good than beating up Sabretooth or w/e
No the comic wants you to think she's unreasonable.
The following pages have Ben get angry before calming down because of a device Reed gave him
Logan outright commends Ben for not falling for the bait and handling the situation like an adult
It's a basic formula of "annoying hecklers trying to get a reaction" you fricking idiots
Cmon dude this is Co theirs no room for subtilty or nuance here. People don’t care what the actual stories trying to say they just wanna screengrab an out of context moment and go REEEEEEEEEEEE at it.
>this is Co
What's Co?
Co to co?
>"same underneath am I right"
That may be true but society doesn't treat her that way.
It's because x-men are their own little story that doesn't fit broader marvel universe. It's essentially a story of racial supremacists persecuted for their superiority (next step in human evolution!) masquerading as one about minority trying to fit in. When you put it into a context where superpowers and freaky apperances are not unique it falls appart.
The x-men don't actually work without the greater MU and when people don't see that they don't really understand the X-Men.
It’s more that the X-men stories act like the X-men’s struggles are the only ones that should be getting more attention from other Marvel heroes, disregarding how most Marvel stories stick to their own corners and adventures to not force writers to worry about shit they aren’t writing. Imagine if every time the X-men were about to go on a mission, Spider-Man showed up to whine about his shitty life, and instead of the X-men rightfully telling him to frick off and find a therapist they felt sad about doing nothing…and then continued to do nothing cause that’s what the status demands.
It's also the problem that people in marvel universe are more than willing to embrance aliens, giant rampaging mutated monsters and robots... but when it comes to people born with a very speciffic mutation they turn into klansmen. Like if you could fire nuclear apples out if your ass because you bit a radioactive apple you wold be the town hero. But if you just started to do that at puberty because lol mutation then folks would want to lunch you. It makes no sense.
That’s not really the case, if you look into past issues. Robot heroes always get the shaft, to the point that more people accepted Scarlet Witch as a mutant than Vision as a heroic robot. The Hulk is understandably treated like a walking hazard zone and hounded by the military despite being willing to cause no harm if left alone. Civilians justifiably gave the Inhumans a lot of shit for forcibly mutating so many people globally. Guys like Hulkling hid their alien heritage for a while cause they knew being related to alien invaders like the alter or the Skrull was bad news. Guys like Thor and Dr Strange were treated as dangerous but are who still believed in fairy tales. And hell, some days Jameson accused Spider-Man of being a mutant just to stir up the presses. The idea that capes in Marvel are publicly accepted is like a very very recent idea that doesn’t really hold water.
Hell, even the Famtastic Four weren’t immune to this. The Thing was outright shot at by cops for just looking big and freaky, and the Human Torch terrified a lot of people who saw him suddenly streaking through the skies while on fire, especially the few who remembered the first Human Torch.
She is right. Euthanasia of genome-disadvantaged is the only way of preventing their further suffering.
BUILD THE FRICKING SENTINELS
We should reprogram the Sentinels so they hunt down and kill Ben Grimm instead
see how he likes it
>Mutants getting sentinels again
Yep that always goes well.
You cant blame the Thing for your bad parent, dear stone girl.
She's not blaming him for her hard life she's telling him acting like they're the same isn't right
>I lived in the wild like an animal until I was 10
Dios mio... el chupacabra......
> CIS white male
I'm tired of this shit. People who use that should be fired for using hate speech.
Isn’t she followed up by a dude that looks like a fricking soijak?
It's easy to be a superhero when the world is as easy to you as it is to Ben, when your only problem in life is 1 or 2 girls rejected you while you sip ice tea in your mansion.
Other people like Mutants have issues like fighting to even survive since the second they are born.
Not eliminating the mutant gene and worse still allowing mutants to procreate is an act of inexcusable cruelty.
It's *respectfully
irrespectively, you are a grammer nazi and bigot for questioning a mutant's lived experience.
Ben built and funded a whole youth center to help inner city kids
How easy to do when all your billionaire friends and family bankroll your every passing whim
Meanwhile he soars over Libya and Sudan in his spaceage flying bathtub as they whip and starve their child slaves to death
So you want the Fantastic Four to invade and liberate all of those children?
Yes. Instead of spending billions of dollars building flying bathtubs Reed should use his cure for cancer to cure cancer and his smarts to fix global politics.
Doom did it in 1 single day. The Fantastic Four sit on their asses spending billions on dry martinis for Ben, racecars for Johnny, Abortions for Sue and spacefaring toiletries for Reed
>It's The Thing's fault that Africans abuse children
If you want to go by second party extension sure. We've seen alternate reeds fix problems like this. And Reed has a high chance of listening to him, especially in early years when he was riddled with guilt.
Libya is using mutant children for slave labor?
awful thread
>cis white male
>israeli
She is LITERALY goysplaining.
"Hello fellow rock people."
Most israelites in the western world are white .
Jews are not white.
nice hate crime you're committing there, I like that
some israelites are white some are black like ethiopian israelites, it's not purely a race thing but ethoreligious
>some israelites are white
whoa, cool it with the holocaust denial
That still happened same as how Gypsies were killed in it too and they're white
>ethiopians
>black
They are dark-skinned semites, than you very much.
Which are you objecting to, cis, white, or male?
whoa, cool it with the antisemitism there
She should check her surface dweller privilage
The people of Atlantis have don nothing but suffer but you don't see them pulling shit like this
>I'm sure was relatively short lived
So you're a c**t that assumes Ben doen't have it rough? He had to accept what he became to get those things. Moreover, you had a rough life to start with, had nothing, and built one in a world now more tolerant to your species. In fact you're part of a privileged nation of homosexual superior that has immortality, mars, and a magic metal.
So frick off
TLDR
Also, you're fat and ugly. Lose weight and get plastic surgery.
Why is that fat bald white man telling an oppressed israeli man to check his privilege?
Man, if she were saying that to anyone BUT Ben Grimm, I'd agree. It's like the writers are trying to piss me off.
she had a way harder life than him anon, that's not even a discussion, suck it b***h
Then maybe she can go fight Dr Doom or Galactus with her privileged mutant moral superiority instead of blaming the flatscans for her shitty life lol
Can't.
Unlike Thing her mutation doesn't bless her with amazing superpowers that make fighting Galactus as simple as punching him and saying a catchphrase.
Ben should think about how lucky he is to be a superpowered celebrity instead of a powerless mutant next time he goes whining about his privileged life
Then maybe she shouldn’t be sponging off the group that says people like her are literally superior to people like Ben just for existing, yo. it’s put up or shut up in Marvel and she’s writing checks her sanctimonious ass can’t cash
she's at a conference talking about how she and other mutants want to integrate with humans again as equals
How bout reading the issue Thingtard?
I did, and given that the guy agreeing with her in the next panel is literally a basedjak man told to shut up and sit down for being an annoying homosexual, it’s clear the writer intended them to be judgemental buttholes Benn Grimm was out of his depth dealing with due to his straightforward no-nonsense attitude and hotheaded temper clashing with his need to keep a civil and courteous appearance for the conference talk. Ergo, she’s in the wrong. Maybe you’re the one who needs to reread it lol.
Then again, this kind of shit is linked to a long running problem Mavel has with depictions of the mutant civilians, since they essentially made the X-men the defacto spokespeople of the mutant race, meaning the civvies take credit for shit the X-men have done despite sitting on their butts doing nothing, but also get the giant robots sent to genocide them despite doing nothing to warrant that level of hostility.
Ya know, that makes me think, has Marvel ever actually done anything where they have civilians point out how fricked up it is that Xavier and his lackeys are constantly acting like they're mutant royalty who speak for their entire race?
They’ve tried it with a few of the other heroes, mostly in the last four years on how Xavier is trying to sound like a peace loving king but the actions of him and his colleagues just make him look like a sanctimonious douche playing at being a king, but mutant civilians rarely ever get to voice opinions that don’t go lock in step with the majority. And you can forget human civilians, you’d be lucky if they talk coherently instead of like southern rednecks out for a lynching.
Why the frick are there non-mutants there? It's like moving in to Israel just to complain about israelites.
Anon... what?
Don't they have an island now? Why are there non mutants on the island?
Nobody was talking about nonmutants living on mutant island you fricking schizo
>Why the frick are there non-mutants there?
on... earth?
>And you can forget human civilians, you’d be lucky if they talk coherently instead of like southern rednecks out for a lynching.
i mean we *are* talking about a group of people who try to solve complex social issues by building giant purple robots. Marvel citizens are just unhinged.
Hasn't Doom been doing enough of that ever since Krakoa he has been calling mutants especially Emma and Charles on their glass house?
No, humans always have to be racist bigots and mutants are ALWAYS in the right no matter what. Aka whites and blacks.
>Then again, this kind of shit is linked to a long running problem Mavel has with depictions of the mutant civilians, since they essentially made the X-men the defacto spokespeople of the mutant race, meaning the civvies take credit for shit the X-men have done despite sitting on their butts doing nothing, but also get the giant robots sent to genocide them despite doing nothing to warrant that level of hostility.
That is the one part of the x-men that actually makes sense. Although never seen civies who give 0 fricks about super fights take credit. The love/hate received part is right. Your average frick is pretty much a israelite and the x-men are Israel.
>sponging off the group
That group is her entire race, she's pointing out how despite both her and the thing being rocky freaks mutants can do good shit the same as the f4 but the f4 will get praise and mutants don't get any love. There's tons of human villains but that doesn't mean all humans are hated
mutants are just bad news
even if you're around the good ones you just know some brotherhood supremist isnt far behind to frick with them
maybe mutants wouldn't get looked down on and treated with the same respect as the F4 if their leaders didn't do things like try to take over the world with their phoenix force powers or mind rape anyone they don't like
Is she an X-man? No? Then what the heck has the now ever done for another human being besides breathe oxygen for Krakoa to suck in?
No, you are constructing a wholly made up backstory for a character that the comic didn’t even give the dignity of a name, it’s embarrassing.
She’s campaigning for better rights for mutants is what she’s doing
Not everyone lives life on easy mode and gets handed superpowers like Ben for doing nothing. Campaigning is the only way for non-supers to hope to create change
No, for real, point to a page where this character is actually doing what you claiming they are, cause an exclusive college on an ethnostate ain’t that chief
>better rights for mutants
They got their own ethnostate now. She is free to frick off to it before mutants frick ot up again.
Whys the black chick there, she looks perfectly normal
That actually a white man
homosexual Superior everyone!
>she had a way harder life than him anon, that's not even a discussion, suck it b***h
She was born with a superior body, in a time where it's celebrated, into a race that has perfected immortality.
Ben was voluntarily testing rockets, got irreparably irradiated, lost everything and gets routinely attempted murdered every week. And he can't revive like she can.
a superior body? The only difference between her body and everyone elses is hers was so hideous her parents threw her into a dumpster the day she was born
Ben was actually handed amazing world-tier superpowers, off a job he got because of his rich billionaire uncle and Reed's nepotism pass, moved into his billionaire buddy Reed's mansion, got a famous girlfriend and became a superhero with no hard work but only the SUPERPOWERS he was HANDED by his RICH UNCLE and NEPOTISM.
He's a spoiled little cuck.
>her parents threw her into a dumpster the day she was born
That happens to normal human babies too
>a superior body? The only difference between her body and everyone elses is hers was so hideous her parents threw her into a dumpster the day she was born
And you think Ben's wouldn't if he was born a rock monster? What does the parent reaction have to do with super tough skin and strength?
>Ben was actually handed amazing world-tier superpowers
No he just got turned into rock, just like her. By Marvel logic she should be capable of being just as strong and performing feats of a similar powerset.
Ben was a test pilot before anything, so even as a regular joe he was risking his life to test shit for his country to help it defend itself. Before any powers or nepotism shit you wanna fling his way. He was a patriot and a selfless one who cared about people. Rock b***h was born with a chip on her shoulder because she was dealt a bad deal sure. But right now they're both in control of their futures and their lives. One is giving a talk and trying to bring the world together. The other is whining and trying to upstage him to get attention while offering no solutions or ways to bring people together. She is unequivocally in the wrong here. Her argument is flawed. Regardless of the situation they both found themselves in, right now who is actively trying to improve the world? It's not her. Even if she was broke, making shitty xerox'd leaflets and starting a grass roots movement to unite people she would maybe have an ounce of charm or reason. As it is she's just yelling at a guy because she's mad and jealous.
Her body isn't ugly, her victim mentality is.
>Rock b***h was born with a chip on her shoulder
there are several rock characters in the comics, several diamond ones too, none of them have strength like Thing. That was a superpower he was handed and none of the others.
He got his job as a test pilot because he was bankrolled by his rich billionaire uncle since he was a little kid still living with his lush dad.
He got his job as a superhero because he was handed the best superpowers, just like he was handed everything in his life. He never had to sleep without a warm roof over his head or food in his belly, he never suffered in the slightest and your soft 1st world problems are showing with how much you're projecting his easy life as "suffering" lmao
Ben never knew 1 millionth of the pain of being dumped in the woods and having to be raised feral. He was a spoiled brat living off of Uncie's money and Reed's favouritism, and the most hardship he's ever suffered is 2 girls not wanting to date him before the 3rd said ok.
Ben's only "in control" of his future because he got handed the best superpowers, and she got handed homelessness
>He got his job as a test pilot because he was bankrolled by his rich billionaire uncle
Do you... not know what test pilots do?
>He never had to sleep without a warm roof over his head or food in his belly
There was that time he was by himself on an alien planet with no powers for like a year
Do you not read the comics?
Thing became a test pilot because he met Reed in college (also where Thing sabotaged Doom's experiment because he was jealous Doom was taking Reed's attention), and Reed was becoming a military scientist and Thing was riding his coattails ever since.
And who bankrolled Thing through college? His rich billionaire uncle.
And who got Thing his job on the spaceship? Red's nepotism pass.
And who made Thing a superhero? The amazing superpowers he was handed for free.
>And who made Thing a superhero? The amazing superpowers he was handed for free.
I'm pretty sure he didn't ask for superpowers while on that ship.
>who made Thing a superhero?
Ben Grimm did. When he went out and did heroics despite people calling him a freak to his face and pointing and screaming at him.
When he went out and did heroics thanks only to being handed superpowers. If he were like this woman he’d have no superpowers to be a hero, he’d just be an ugly hideous baby and starve in a dumpster
Maybe she should had starved? Her parents wanted her dead to save her from unavoidable suffering. It was nothing but her irrational insistance on living that lead her ti that suffering. She isn't disadvontaged, she is selfish.
>handed superpowers
you keep saying that like it was given to him by god or something because that accident could have killed Reed, Susan, Johnny and Ben.
And yet it didn’t kill them, it gave them incredible superpowers that turned them into superheroes. Superhero powers and lives and fame and fortune handed to them for nothing, while powerless ugly mutant babies are hunted down with pitchforks and we have pages of their own mothers going feral trying to carve their intestines out for the crime of looking ugly
>Superhero powers and lives and fame and fortune handed to them for nothing,
I guess saving the world from Dr Doom and fricking GALACTUS are nothing then.
Easy to do when you get handed the superpowers to just punch Dr Doom on a silver spoon
Impossible to do when you’re a starving freezing baby in a dumpster
Ben had it fricking Easy
>Easy to do
I'm pretty sure Dr Doom isn't what you call "easy"
It is when the only training you do for it is getting bathed in superpower sunshine like Ben was.
You do know Ben never asked for these powers? Ben didn't even wanted it. But seeing people in trouble made Ben to act and decided to use his powers for good with the F4. Ben may have had an easy life when he was a human but everything changed when he got hit with cosmic radiation. If it wasn't for Ben and the F4 stopping the bad guys and FRICKING GALACTUS she wouldn't be here spouting dumb shit to Ben today. Besides she could go to the X-men and train her powers and learn what she can do.
>Besides she could go to the X-men
Any mutant that doesn't hit up Xavier's infinite money and then complains they have it rough it guilty of self sabotage
BOOHOOHOO! BOOHOOHOO!!!
2 girls said no to dating me!!!
Now I just have to be rich and famous and respected and as powerful as The Hulk and wait for my 3rd try at a girlfriend before one of them becomes my wife! O WOE IS ME!!!!!!! MY LIFE IS SOOOO HAAAAAAAWWWWD!!
Why don't mutants just pretend they got their powers in freak accidents? Any mutant claiming persecution is moronic.
This has actually been joked about (character is Skin, a mutant).
Dun fact, there are plenty of comics where Ben is a powerless human and yet still goes out and risks his life to save lives and challlenge the unknown horrors of the universe on a daily basis. Your assertion that Ben is only as heroic as his “handed” superpowers let him be seems to primarily be based on a personal jealousy for a man who conquered his social isolation, self-loathing, great physical handicap and suicidal ideation to not only forgive the man who disfigured him along with the world that tried repeatedly to reject him, but also managed to use his talents for the betterment of society as well as find love with someone who also worked hard to be successful and self-assured inspire of her physical handicap…either that, or you have a serious hunger for rock pussy, or sympathize with an extremely over the top sob story that was very likely manufactured on the spot to humiliate a man who has done more for the mutant population than some box has by dearth of actual actual deeds over words.
Either way, please properly get your rocks off before posting in the future, dude.
or he's just shitposting know one truly thinks she's in the right.
"no one". Christ I need to sleep.
With how X-men fans are, I’m personally inclined to think it’s the rock pussy angle, those guys would demand to frick Glob Herman if he was Glob Harriet
>great physical handicap
HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA
He had an ADVANTAGE because got HANDED superpowers he never worked a day for. That’s why he’s a superhero, and why he was never one before the day he got handed superpowers
>why he was never one before the day he got handed superpowers
No one was.
The Fantastic Four were the first ones
You seem to have never read a Fantastic Four comic in your life, my good robot, that much is true
>projection
Lmao, keep digging your hole
Ben always had superpowers, it was never a “handicap”, the only handicap was how much he cried and b***hed about it like the gay he is
>When he went out and did heroics thanks only to being handed superpowers
Powers didn't make him a hero. Many others have powers, greater powers than Grimm has, and many of them don't risk their lives and suffer to help save others. Grimm already cared about others, acted, and risked his life without powers. There are multiple comics where he doesn't have powers and he works to save others. When Grimm had powers he went even further and took great risks and pains to save others despite being depressed and treated like a monster.
>If he were like this woman he’d have no superpowers to be a hero
Wrong. People don't need superpowers to be a hero. That universe has multiple well known heroic characters who don't have any superpowers. Heroes in real life don't have superpowers, and they manage to be heroes and save lives.
>Powers didn't make him a hero
Yes they did. He was never a hero before he got handed superpowers he never earned
Ben has never saved a single person’s life without powers either, despite you claiming otherwise you will not post a single scan. He always has to restore his powers in thos stories to do anything of worth.
Real Heroes don’t need powers. Lucky Ungrateful gits like Ben do. He’d never be a hero if he were born in a dumpster with no powers
What if? #36
…Dude lost his dick, you moron
Unless you’re saying Rockslide is also not handicapped by his rock body removing his dick
>noncanon Elseworld story
So you literally admit Ben has never saved anyone without needing the powers he was handed? Thank you for admitting it.
No, I would have pointed to the time in comics that he did lose his powers and wore an exoskeleton to fight bad guys like iron man, but you’d contrive a reason that example doesn’t count cause being a squishy human in armor is totally not the same thing as being powerless, so I’m pointing to a story where he never had an inherent supernatural advantage and chose to still save the day, except you even rejected that so it’s clear you are just wasting your own time simping for rock pussy that doesn’t exist
>needs Reed’s exoskeleton to save him when he doesn’t have le superpowers, can’t function without Superpowers or Reed bankrolling him
HAAAAHAHAHAHAHGAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA
Thank for proving my point for me dingus. Ben is nothing without his superpowers, he needs either Reed’s money to give him and adventage or his own Superpowers to
And you’ve proven my point that you aren’t interested in anything that contradicts your predetermined conclusion. Meaning you are jealous of a dude who doesn’t exist.
You are a strange, sad little shitposter and you have my pity
>blablabla coping
You’ve still yet to post a single instance of Ben not needing superpowers to do heroics.
Hint: using Reed’s supersuit that Reed built is the same as using superpowers, he does so through no effort of his own, only Reed’s money and Reed’s effort. Without Reed doing everything and without superpowers, he is nothing.
See what I mean? Can’t accept he’s lost and keeps trying to win on his own terms that frame him as the winner
>no argument
You’re literally talking to yourself now btw
You failed to show a single instance of Ben being a hero on his own merits, and instead coped with him using a super iron man suit that REED built, as if that’s Ben being a superhero on his own
Next time just show him pressing a button on a tank that Reed builds too, that’s how much Ben can do without his superpowers. Use the money and the hard work Reed does, since he himself can only contribute superpowers
Jesus, read “Before the Fantastic Four: Ben Grimm and Logan” if you’re so obsessed with a powerless Ben Grimm doing shit, the fact people have to spoon feed you is pathetic enough as it is
>yes powers make him a hero
No idiot, at no point did his powers make him be a good person who did something relatively great to saves others. He didn't have "make me a good person and do heroic things powers. He still had to take action, and he still had to work, risk his life, and do great things. He didn't just go to work and move some heavy stuff, get paid, and go home. If he didn't use his powers to do heroism then he wouldn't be heroic despite having powers. Even if he didn't have powers if he did similar heroic actions he could still be a hero. He would still have been a hero if he instead had regular strength and fought regular bad guys to save a few people in more normal situations.
>He was never a hero before he got handed superpowers he never earned
Completely irrelevant to becoming a hero later. He still did great things to help save others, he took heroic actions ergo he's a hero.
>Ben has never saved a single person’s life without powers either
Pretty sure you're wrong, but I'm not going digging to help you, because I've already helped you plenty by correcting you.
>Real Heroes don’t need powers
Yes, I know that I'm right. But if these heroes also had superpowers they might still be heroes, just now with greater abilities, responsibilities, and opportunities.
>He’d never be a hero if he were born in a dumpster with no powers
That sounds like you're admitting he is a hero, and are now coming up with a hypothetical where you claim, without any evidence, that he wouldn't be a hero in your "what if" scenario.
>Even if he didn't have powers if he did similar heroic actions he could still be a hero
Except he never did any similar actions before the superpowers, because he always NEEDED superpowers, and even he knows he’s nothing without them
>before the superpowers
There was no before
The story started with them having the powers
If Ben never beeded powers to do heroucs, he can and would have done so in his life before he got given superpowers. He didn’t, because he needs superpowers to accomplish anything.
>Except he never did any similar actions before the superpowers
Again irrelevant. Wrong and irrelevant. Even if some guy never did anything heroic before, if suddenly after some gift he turns into a hero then he still has turned into a hero.
>because he always NEEDED superpowers, and even he knows he’s nothing without them
Now you're just making stupid shit up to try and make an argument. Before he was the Thing he was Ben Grimm, athlete, pilot, soldier, fighter, student, and astronaut. He already signed up to risk his life to defend people and risked his life to explore for the sake of human knowledge.
>Ben has never saved a single person’s life without powers either
Go read a comic book homosexual.
>bankrolled by his rich billionaire uncle since he was a little kid still living with his lush dad.
Where are you getting this? Ben was a broke ass kid whos brother died who was taken in by his uncle who was born broke and became a doctor through hard work. Said doctor ends up crippled as frick in a car crash that kills his wife. I'm not sure where you're getting all these bullshit millionaire stories from.
>He never had to sleep without a warm roof over his head or food in his belly, he never suffered in the slightest and your soft 1st world problems are showing with how much you're projecting his easy life as "suffering" lmao
>Ben Grimm never suffered.
Okay so you don't know shit about the character, thanks for sharing.
>literally born into poverty, had an alcoholic father, watched his brother die due to gang violence, lived on the streets fending for himself until his parents died and the law stepped in and gave him to his uncle.
Yeah cushy fricking life anon. I'm sure you consider almost dying in space and getting irradiated into a rock monster the world hates even though reed tries to sell them as celebrities to cushion the blow of losing his humanity. Poor ugly rock girl is right to shit on his attempts to create harmony between people.
Frick off you cynical c**t.
>I'd agree with anti-white male wokeshit if it were directed at anyone but this particular character
SLAY
Fun fact: She's lying
This is the character Bling! Here is her bio:
Roxanne Washington was born into hip-hop "royalty" as the daughter of Roy "Daddy Libido" Washington and Angel "Sexy Mutha" Depres. Having appeared in her parents' rap videos from a young age, Washington was often targeted by would-be kidnappers and assassins.
Destined to follow in her parents' footsteps, Washington turned her back on that life and enrolled as a student at the Xavier Institute under the tutelage of Gambit. Washington was more concerned with improving herself rather than the escalating human/mutant situation. Her school record showed her to be a good and attentive student with a strong sense of responsibility
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Roxanne_Washington_(Earth-616)
Also some other fun facts about Bling:
Sexually assaulted Jubilee who would not accept her advances.
Gaslit and manipulated Mercury into a relationship.
Proceeded to make it an open relationship after so she could frick others.
For both Jubilee and Mercury she has proclaimed homophobia whenever they rejected her hitting on them.
Those are two completely different characters you bozo. Bling is a normal girl with a blunt diamond outcrop on her head, her power is being made of diamonds. This is a random OC girl made of chipped rocks, with short spiky hair
God Thinggays have such fragile victim-complexes they've now resorted to "Sh-SHE's LYING!!!"
https://youtube.com/shorts/QjXbm1pspZU?si=7PNJhU3KO4CWmNe5
The man says it, you can't do comparative suffering
I was born with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning I break my legs, and every afternoon I break my arms. At night, I lie awake in agony until my heart attacks put me to sleep.
Damn bro you and me and her ALL had a much harder life than Ben Grimm
Marvel time is dictated by how old Franklin is, right? For her to be at this college panel, that means that, at the very least, she was on her way out of that trash can when Ben, a fricking poor israeli kid from the streets of New York, got blasted by cosmic rays. The only reason why he got into the position that he did was because the Fantastic Four are the ONLY superheroes that Marvel Civvies trust.
>a fricking poor israeli kid from the streets of New York
He was raised by his rich uncle.
And being israeli doesn’t earn you any points on the hardship scale, Shekelstein. He got blasted by cosmic rays because his rich uncle got him through school into college and his buddy Reed gave him a nepotism pass into a rocketship he wanted to go on. Also he was the one who messed up Doom’s project.
I'm pretty sure he brought up Ben being israeli because that would instantly shut up any woke-scold yelling at a white man.
>Literally all the shit about Yancy Street didn't happen
How much of this series has been retconned?
>And being israeli doesn’t earn you any points on the hardship scale, Shekelstein.
Yes it does. Try being a injuin and compare native genocide to holobunga. Your 'allies' will torn on you so fast your head will spin.
oy, cool it with the antisemitism there
Maybe your parents abandoned you in a dumpster because you were a whiny middle class white liberal c**t and they didn't want to listen to your bullshit, ever think of that?
>whiny middle class white liberal c**t
This is what Ben is though.
This girl lived so poor she was a wild animal.
Wild children never learn proper speech. How comes she is so articulate?
That's what makes her a mutant
Like all wild children we’ve found, someone must’ve eventually caught her and taught her to speak through a grueling number of years chained in a basement unlearning everything she knew about the world
A far cry from getting blasted with magic beams that turn you into a superpowered superfamous superhero
Dude what kind of shitty fanfic are you writing for this literal nameless background character? Even for bait this is just plain fricking weird
It’s not bait, feral kids are a thing. Then we find them and we have to reeducate them how to act human. Loads of them never heal from it and some of them never learn how to speak or walk right
And exactly how many of those are scold-woke rock monsters living on a mutant sex island?
I’m listing the hardships that come from being a feral child, to help explain to people still puzzled by it why her story is way harder than anything Ben has ever lived through
Those are raccoons, Jessica
>This girl lived so poor she was a wild animal.
then how did she become a carbon copy of every social media addicted white suburban moron in existence?
This is part of why people don't care for or buy western mainstream capeshit that much anymore
because they revealed your hero doesn’t have it the hardest in the world even though he whines like he does?
Lmao talk about a victim complex
Ben should listen and learn and be taught from the words of dear Uncle Adolf: “Everyone must have the belief that there's always someone in a much worse situation than I am”
the virgin easy life thing
The CHAD “Hard-Work and Effort will conquer my disadvantages” MUTANTS
Larger problem that some capes are beloved and instantly accepted, but mutants aren't because they are born with powers, unlike... the other capes who are born with powers but from a different origin that isn't the x-gene.
Mutants are hated because most of them are terrorist buttholes or enablers of terrorist buttholes, and even the 'good' ones call themselves 'superior', consider themselves above human laws and rules, and can't shut up about how they're here to replace you.
As a people, mutants have brought most of their problems on themselves, and Marvel refuses to address this because they'd prefer to just write about muh bigotry that has no reason.
If you try you can probably draw a direct connection between the more villains the X-Men take in, the more damage their own rogue members cause, and the more uppity and hostile they get towards human authorities and superheroes, the worse and more widespread anti-mutant prejudice gets.
tbh I would love to read a X-men comic that actually ask that question. "what if they are right?" unless it's been done before.
There are a lot of villains with powers that aren't mutants who try to take over the world or commit terrible misdeeds. Yet some supers are very well liked and trusted heroes despite having numerous evil peers. Many people seem to understand there are good supers in this setting.
Mutants have lots of bad ones, but the good ones saving people are still hated as mutants. Many people don't seem to understand there are good mutants in this setting.
Why is there such a large discrepancy? It would be different if some people liked mutants, and mutants and non mutant supers were just generally treated similarly. That would make more sense. But the real reason seems to be that it's fictional and that's the story and setting they want even if it contradicts itself.
Those other superheroes aren't proclaiming themselves a separate race from humanity. The Avengers and Fantastic Four aren't claiming racial solidarity with Kang, Doctor Doom and the Red Skull, protecting them from the authorities, and letting them onto their teams. The X-Men keep protecting people like Magneto, Mystique, Emma, and sometimes even Sabretooth, and letting them join their teams, their current ruling council is at least 50% villains.
Nobody likes or trusts them because the lines between hero and villain are so blurred, people keep moving from one side of that line to the other and back, and even the heroes openly talk like they're better than humans and are going to replace them. It shouldn't be hard to understand why people hate this.
As
talks about, the Marvel public are ready to turn on other superheroes in an instant if they do something wrong, but those other heroes aren't a separate race that largely exists as a unified bloc that's openly antagonistic towards the human race.
She is. It’s about time someone said it. Hope someone does it to Spider-Man too next time he complains like a whiney b***h about his powers while also profiting off of them and generally living a powerfantasy. Shit is insufferable
Eddie Brock, don’t you have a son you should be paying attention to?
We are Deadbeats!
>how many times have you risked your life to save other people? I've done it 94791375 times.
There, argument over, sit down and shut up, b***h.
Not really because her whole point is mutants risk their lives saving the day too and they don't get remotely the same praise
They only deal with “mutant problems” and active shun people trying to help them
so it counts as heroism when Thing saves humans from evil humans
But not when Mutants save Mutants and Humans from Evil Mutants and Evil Humans?
Kinda proving her point there anon. Mutants have been saving innocents since the beginning of Marvel yet are hated for the actions of a very few, or more often just the idea that they have the potential to do something bad with their powers, or more often just because they're sometimes ugly.
The Thing doesn’t discriminate. He will take down an evil human or and evil mutie, and welcomes help from all who give it.
Muties only care about shit caused by or that effects muties, and they actively spurn the help of others that give it.
They don't do that, well done for proving you've never picked up an X-Men comic in your life. 99% of X-Men stories isn't saving other mutants, it's saving HUMANS from Magneto and his cronies
>Muties only care about shit caused by or that effects muties
So, they protect and save humans, and therefore care about the wellbeing of humans, but it doesn't count because they're beating up other mutants to save the humans?
Ben's main enemy is a human btw. From now on all saving humans or fighting evil humans no longer counts as heroism, it's just discriminating somehow according to your moron logic.
They primarily care about their own kind, which includes the bad ones threatening their optics. When was the last time the X-Men tackled a threat which had nothing to do with them or mutants as a whole?
>99% of X-Men stories isn't saving other mutants, it's saving HUMANS from Magneto and his cronies
From the 60s to the 90s, sure. They flipped the narrative in the 2000s so they're more likely to be saving criminal mutants from humans than humans from criminal mutants. But as far back as the 80s they were always ready to throw down to protect Magneto from facing justice for his crimes.
Your point falls apart when the X-Men gladly welcome in the evil mutants with open arms, I guess genocide is swell to Cyclops and Jean as long as it's a mutant that's committing it.
Mutants take lives just as much as they save them.
Humans take lives just as much as they save them.
doesn't have anything to do with hardship. He doesn't know what a hard life is yet presumes he can speak to her about that
He had a rough time, indisputable.
That doesn't invalidate her suffering.
Her suffering doesn't invalidate his.
She suffered way more than he could ever relate to. Her life was way harder.
That kind of thinking is just a race to the bottom.
It's true though, Ben didn't suffer even 0.001% of what she did. She starved. He can't relate with his first world problems like not getting a date
>I wonder what the wife's making. Hope it's not meatloaf.
Is it fricked up that her backstory turns me on?
Female Chad telling it like it is
She's Right.
I'm guessing there's some sort of mutant at work that can make it so more people keep agreeing with OP but the IP count doesn't go up
>probably meant to say respectfully sir
>assigning greater automatic privilege to cis white male, that's assuming about his experiences and truth, its cis phobic, misandrist, and racist
>assumes social estrangement was very temporary because of what he was previously, which is wrong
>ignores his point because he's successful at HELPING others, and argues some random achievements of his wife make him privileged
>argues 'i am worse off, i started worse off, so we are not alike, so im not going to learn anything from your example' and also proves she is garbage
Yeah they're not alike. Grimm treated people with compassion and acted heroically with courage despite the challenges he faced. She's some whiny bigot who wants to argue with being offered help.
>assigning greater automatic privilege to cis white male
She's not doing that society already did that, are you really trying to pull the "no we're really the ones being oppressed here"
>assumes social estrangement was very temporary because of what he was previously, which is wrong
Because it was dude gets fricking parades for saving the day
>with being offered help.
what help is there despite looking similar the solutions are completely different
>noooo but but society! am i really going to misunderstand your argument? yes!
Ah yes, society truly stops freaking out about the "monster" in front of them because that person USED to look a certain way! Wait, no it doesn't, and you've greatly misunderstood. Also you're coming off as a probable bigot who thinks that everyone from other races are part of a monolith with inbuilt life experiences.
>Because it was dude gets fricking parades for saving the day
Dude saves the day many many times despite being thought of as a monster for years, and now people eventually love him for it. The other rock person is wrong about it being short lived and wrong that his equivalence is false when it comes to the topic of perception of her actions. She is a stupid whiny bigot for thinking that saving lives will not make people in general like you if you're non white or non male or non cis. She is demonstrating a deep dislike and distrust of the normals (especially certain kinds) and of Grimm. She emotionally flip flopped from smiling and asking for common cause and then icily zealously denouncing it.
>what help is there
Camaraderie. Allies. Understanding. Hope. Influence. Money. Physical protection. Advanced scientific tools from his allies. A working blueprint for a better future and better relations.
>society truly stops freaking out about the "monster" in front of them because that person USED to look a certain way
It means there's things he won't be able to relate to someone always a monster, and yes it does matter because he doesn't have mutant genes and thus knows what good life is like
>It means there's things he won't be able to relate to someone always a monster
Yes, and that's completely irrelevant to the actual matter at hand, which was her asking a question about integrating agenda and legacies.
>it does matter because he doesn't have mutant genes and thus knows what good life is like
That is also completely irrelevant to the matter at hand. Also a whole bunch of mutants have known what a good life is like because they mutated later through puberty or had mutations they could hide or were even given acceptance in their own community. Grimm also has more life experience than her at a number of things including gaining the acceptance of others and bringing together disparate conflicting people in difficult times. Now, what I said, actually is a relevant point to the matter at hand.
>he is a stupid whiny bigot for thinking that saving lives will not make people in general like you
They don't like mutants and they do that
So in reality she would be a stupid whiny bigot, but in the poorly written marvel universe she is a different kind of stupid whiny bigot who is wrong on multiple claims, but is right about one thing that people are going to be dicks to certain kinds of supers for no good reason. Because writers wanted to write about lots of bigotry against some supers, but other writers wanted to cram that into a universe where supers are loved too and can't come up with any good reasons for the differences.
Ben is a hero. She is a loser. Like this c**t.
I've cracked the code. The anti-Ben anon that's been at it all day is actually an anti-mutant advocate.
He's stoking aggression with circular arguments and dead end rhetoric so that even a small connection between mutant and cosmically mutated is impossible.
The reason why this is a good panel is that people can argue either side and not seem like complete shitheads. Well, I mean, they could if they weren't anonymous on the internet.
This is what they were going for, but failed to achieve, in Civil War.
It's like when an AI starts talking talking in circles
>It’s another Ben Grimm walks over to the emergency ward of a hospital and tells all the cancer patients how much harder his life is than theirs episode
Reminds me of Chappelle turning into a fat constantly talking about his anger and sadness and trying to be a bigger victim
Shit's just so fricking gay, act like a fricking adult and solve your problems
>Reminds me of Chappelle turning into a fat constantly talking about his anger and sadness and trying to be a bigger victim
Ironically this is Thing’s entire character, except if Chappelle didn’t even have it that bad and had superpowers too
>why does everyone hate mutants so much?!
>every other week a mutant is trying to start a pro-mutant race war and enslave all of humanity
>the in-between weeks has the only notable mutant team welcoming the supremacist back with open arms
imagine if captain america stopped everyone and said "wait everyone, Red Skull said hes very sorry. So I'm going to let him join the avengers!"
The panel that killed Thinggays
>I mean, she’s right.
She clearly wasn't right, but now she is.
Thinggays proving the Mutant girl more and more right every time. They’re just super insecure over the fact she suffered way more than he ever did.
It’s true, her life was way harder than his, it’s not even comparable. Which is her point that is list on this thread. It’s not comparable to his life
Dude, “Thinggays” sounds gay as shit, please stop
>respectively
>when she means respectfully
Cut her some slack, she was raised by wolves.
>Getting superpowers makes you a superhero.
How many decades of comics do we have that show the complete opposite at this point? Both that people without powers can be heroes and that the underlying personality of the characters is paramount to them becoming a hero when they get their powers? I mean shit, how many characters have become VILLAINS after being turned into freakish monsters? Ben Grimm isn't a hero because he's a rock man, he's a hero because he's Ben Grimm. If he wasn't, then he could have just as easily become a villain or sat on his ass whining all day like the OP character.
Post the whole comic.
so many fricking replies to a shitty bait thread
god forbid any of you would even take ten percent of that time and enthusiasm and put it towards non-cape comic threads
Unironically, social psychology nd sociolgy are a cancer.
>"Yeah, Security, frickin' clobber 'er, getter outta here."
Isn't there's some mutant bacteria that exists in all humans that makes them irrationally hate mutants, because it can't exist in their bodies and sees them as a threat?
Who says comics aren't dying? I love reading classic characters being lectured by an authors mouthpiece about how shit and privileged they are. I'd totally pay $5 for 24 pages of it. Hell, I'd even pay $10.
Would they stop doing this shit if Marvel ran out of Disney's sugar daddy money ?
Genuinely, yeah. I think if they had to stand on their own without being able to run to Papa Disney whenever they need more money they might get their heads out their asses and have higher standards for their writers to make stories that sell. This also applies to DC and WB.
>People are starving in Africa
So what homie? I still want lunch!
These exact same words but towards the israelites
Ben is a israelite.
If israelites are White but also peddle the abolishment and removal of whitenes through goylems then they should be the first ones to practice what they get others to preach?