I never really read the books, but just how faithful to the source material are the LOTR films?
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I never really read the books, but just how faithful to the source material are the LOTR films?
>2 seconds later: I AM NOT A MAN
>YOU SHALL NOT PASS!
that happens in the book
I hate how bait-filled Tolkien threads have become. 2018 threads were comfy as frick in comparison.
Disliking something that you like is not bait, but I'll leave.
I actually agree with some criticisms of Tolkien in a way I can't put my finger on. Love the LOTR books and read them a few times but they have some component that makes them feels really dull at times. Like coming down from a drug.
>OLD = GOOD NEW = BAD
said you and every old fart in history. Give it a rest.
>>OLD = GOOD NEW = BAD
This but unironically. Even the Ancient Greeks knew this.
Hackson apologists are even worse
>they were once men.
imagine if they actually used tolkien's language, the scene would have actually been good
>Then out of the blackness in his mind he thought that he heard Dernhelm speaking; yet now the voice seemed strange, recalling some other voice that he had known.
> 'Begone, foul dwimmerlaik, lord of carrion! Leave the dead in peace!'
>A cold voice answered: 'Come not between the Nazgul and his prey! Or he will not slay thee in thy turn. He will bear thee away to the houses of lamentation, beyond all darkness, where thy flesh shall be devoured, and thy shrivelled mind be left naked to the Lidless Eye.'
>A sword rang as it was drawn. 'Do what you will; but I will hinder it, if I may.'
>'Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me!'
>Then Merry heard of all sounds in that hour the strangest. It seemed that Dernhelm laughed, and the clear voice was like the ring of steel. 'But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Eowyn I am, Eomund's daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him.
oh yeah all that is super natural dialogue that will look good on film
it would be awesome, like all the other scenes that use dialogue directly from the book. It's no accident that the best parts are the parts adapted directly.
if the dialogue in the movie was like this the movie would be thirty hours long
just watch it on 2x speed bro
And yet it, and many other such changes to favour the source material, would've worked perfectly well today, now that TV shows are as mainstream as it gets.
that happens in the book, and it's a twist on an old shakespeare trope where the victorious swordsman is a guy who was born from a c-section birth.
Like the books the movies have no Black folk in them so mostly acurate I'd say.
Even if the source material has black people in it, they should be replaced. Literally nobody wants to see black people. So if you make a movie about Zulus you should only cast whites KEK
they actually try to translate to book to screen instead of using it as a vehicle to for their own content which is better than 95% of adaptations
reasonably so for a huge Hollywood production aiming to reach the widest audience possible
it doesn't really capture the atmosphere and spirit of the prose but that's just a problem with the medium
Thematically they're 1:1, which is pretty much what Jackson is referencing here.
Obviously they're not a straight adaptation of each respective book, but they follow the general storyline and the order of major events, with some creative liberties here and there to fit the format.
No, I would not say they are faithful to the source material, since I have no clue what your definition of faithful is in context, and faith is, of course, relative.
>Thematically they're 1:1
thats a good way of putting
Some of the changes are intelligent (replacing Glorfindel with Arwen) and some are not (Aragorn's invincible ghost army).
>and some are not (Aragorn's invincible ghost army).
The book events of having the ghost army running up behind some pirates and yelling BOO to scary them away like so Scooby Doo shit would not have worked.
why not?
Because it is gay.
your mom's gay
they were gay, those ghosts?
Yes, they were in purgatory for being pozzed homosexuals in life
It's probably as faithful as you can get within the medium.
There are a ton of changes
Also replacing Glorfindel with Arwen was a terrible idea
I read The Hobbit back before the LotR movies came out, and it was one of the most poorly written, terrible formatted books that I've ever read. He was clearly not a writer. I don't know how people got tricked into liking Tolkien.
It's fricking insane how most are afraid to admit the emperor has no clothes. His book fail on a basic storytelling level but are still praised to high heaven. Amazing.
filtered.
Stick to books with lots of action and Hollywood style characters
My favorite author is Nabokov.
the year before the lord of the rings movie came out i tried to do a book report on the hobbit. it was trash so i decided to just watch the animated movie. turned it off within minutes
didn't do the book report
All of academia and the rest of the world disagrees, but congratulations on being a special, unique little butterfly 🙂
It's a poorly written, terribly formatted book. The Hobbit is, anyway. It was so bad that, despite having a best friend who was obsessed with Lord of the Rings even before the movies came out, I could not continue on past The Hobbit. It's not a good book, and Tolkien is not a good writer, unless he improved significantly enough after The Hobbit so as to effectively become an intrinsically different person, which I suppose is actually possible.
What do you mean by “terribly formatted”?
It's been over 20 years since I read it, but I remember people speaking being denoted with colons, such as
>and then: [dialogue]
It's common for authors to do something odd/unexpected with grammar for effect. Can you provide a quote so we may delve deeper into this?
I'm guessing you just got filtered though.
>filtered by the most normie-tier popular fantasy since Harry Potter
Right. Anyway, I already said I'll leave your thread and let you guys enjoy Tolkien in peace now that I've said mine.
>admits to being filtered by normie tier
If you're gonna come in here and start throwing around these accusations, you need to provide more than just
>I remember 20 years ago there was a semi colon and I didn't like that
>formatting
what the frick do you even mean? and the writing is fine. it's a quickly paced simple adventure story. maybe you were confused about the genre? LOTR is more serious.
picrel is you. a dried out turd with a lobster tale
Dumbass midwits. You remind me of this mentally challenged Balrog
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>tolkien thought the light saber he saw in the movie would be better with a hilt
gay
>this is you!
The peak intellectual power of tolk bookgays.
It's a mix.
What Jackson is saying there is pretty much correct, they didn't insert new themes. But they did change the presentation of those themes. And I would also argue they mess up Frodo's philosophy/theme a little but that's debatable.
So an example is how they inserted Arwen as a badass warrior chick who saves Frodo purely for female representation, and so Arwen's characterisation is completely different. But this doesn't really affect the overall themes of the books, because in the next movies Eowyn is a badass warrior chick entirely as per the book.
Likewise Gimli's personality is radically, incredibly different. But Gimli doesn't really have much of a role in defining the books' themes, so it doesn't change it overall. One role Gimli does play is demonstrating the alienation and then conciliation of the Dwarves and Elves, which despite his personality change is still in the movies.
My issue with movie Frodo is that I interpret his book character to be faithful to the concept of a benevolent god or world. In the movie it seems like he stupidly and consistently over-empathises with Gollum and trusts him over Sam despite Gollum being clearly evil. In the book his rationalisation is that trusting Gollum brings the risk of betrayal, but driving away or killing Gollum brings the risk of getting lost; your fricked either way. So he trusts that despite his lack of power over this he'll have faith that if he does the good act (not kill a potentially innocent Gollum) then a good result will occur.
So the moral is in the face of impossible choices do the good thing.
>purely for female representation
Introducing Glorfindel with his power level being seemingly off the charts, yet at the same time not, would eat a bit into the screentime budget. Not that I'm agreeing with their decision.
FRICK ELVES
lol no, the guy is a complete fraud. Book fans were livid with Jackson letting his his roastie wife insert her feminist propaganda at every opportunity (pic rel is a very small snapshot from LOTR forums in 2001).
Also the idea that Jackson 'put Tolkiens messages in the movies' is equally laughable, the guy has never read the books, so he doesn't know what they are. All the themes that make Lord of the Rings important are completely submerged behind a Hollywood action movie.
He didn't give two shits about Tolkiens messages, he replaced them all for hours of Capeshit tier CGI action and tired Hollywood tropes
>She's just supposed to be this little Elven-hottie
>Elven
She's a quarteron.
That's pretty pathetic. You could read the same comments in any thread today. I guess incels never change, huh
Let us go through the Mines of Moria
>wants to honor Tolkien
>refuses to include the Scouring of the Shire because it's 'anticlimactic'
I don't understand why people think Tolkien is "dry", I suppose people can use the same complaints to say "the Bible is dry"
Now news came to Hithlum that Dorthonion was lost and the sons of Finarfin overthrown, and that the sons of Fëanor were driven from their lands. Then Fingolfin beheld the utter ruin of the Noldor, and the defeat beyond redress of all their houses; and filled with wrath and despair he mounted upon Rochallor his great horse and rode forth alone, and none might restrain him. He passed over Dor-nu-Fauglith like a wind amid the dust, and all that beheld his onset fled in amaze, thinking that Oromë himself was come: for a great madness of rage was upon him, so that his eyes shone like the eyes of the Valar. Thus he came alone to Angband's gates, and he sounded his horn, and smote once more upon the brazen doors, and challenged Morgoth to come forth to single combat.
And Morgoth came.
That was the last time in those wars that he passed the doors of his stronghold, and it is said that he took not the challenge willingly; for alone of the Valar he knew fear. But he could not now deny the challenge before the face of his captains; for Fingolfin named Morgoth craven, and lord of slaves.... Therefore Morgoth issued forth clad in black armour; and he stood before the King like a tower iron-crowned, and his vast shield, sable unblazoned, cast a shadow over him like a stormcloud. But Fingolfin gleamed beneath it as a star; for his mail was overlaid with silver, and his blue shield was set with crystals; and he drew his sword Ringil, that glittered like ice.
Then Morgoth hurled aloft Grond, the Hammer of the Underworld, and swung it down like a bolt of thunder. But Fingolfin sprang aside, and Grond rent a mighty pit in the earth.... Many times Morgoth essayed to smite him, and each time Fingolfin leaped away...; and he wounded Morgoth with seven wounds, and seven times Morgoth gave a cry of anguish, whereat the hosts of Angband fell upon their faces in dismay, and the cries echoed in the Northlands.
But at last the King grew weary, and Morgoth bore down his shield upon him. Thrice he was crushed to his knees, and thrice arose again and bore up his broken shield and stricken helm. But the earth was all pitted about him, and he stumbled and fell backward before the feet of Morgoth; and Morgoth set his left foot upon his neck, and the weight of it was like a fallen hill.... Yet with his last and desperate stroke Fingolfin hewed the foot with Ringil, and the blood gushed forth black and smoking and filled the pits of Grond.
Thus died Fingolfin, High King of the Noldor, most proud and valiant of the Elven-kings of old. The Orcs made no boast of that duel at the gate; neither do the Elves sing of it, for their sorrow is too deep.
>Morgoth went ever halt of one foot after that day, and the pain of his wounds could not be healed; and in his face was the scar that Thorondor made.
I'm going to pretend to be that other moron in the thread:
> I'm trying to read Tolkien but then he just started talking about an essay in the middle of the story. Poorly written normie tier slop. Everyone is too afraid to admit it except for me
I mean, when you have an entire book of just God laying out the rules for sacrificing, yes it's pretty dry.
About 50%. A lot got cut or changed. But in trilogy of books this vast it'll happen. It was about as faithful to the books as can be expected.
the elves showing up to Helms deep clean merely ruining the tension of the buildup will always be the worst mistake in a good series
the films were pretty good but the videogames really honored Tolkien's vision
pfffff ahahah holy shit is that real? dude haaha lmao fricking based.
I can think of few things more based than shamelessly inserting your sexuality into your grand fantasy while simultaneously extolling the values of seriousness and integrity