If the movie's right, it's too late to matter. If it's wrong, it didn't matter to begin with.
I mean obviously we're poisoning our water and food supply, but that doesn't really mean we're "killing the planet." At worst we'll go extinct and probably take most mammals out with us. Earth will still be fine in the grand scheme of things.
Whatever the next sentient species after humans is, hopefully they're less c**ts about it.
Climate change isn't the real danger of the massive pollution transnational corporations engage in, it's the impact of their poisons (namely plastic and its xenoestrogens) upon the food and water supply.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7139484/
We're racing towards the greatest infertility crisis in human history and no one will sound the alarm until it's too late because obviously these corporations don't want to (won't) spend the extra dollars it takes to responsibly dispose of their hazardous waste.
It's not just corporations fault, obviously. Consumers want more and more endlessly and don't give a shit about the long-term consequences of their purchases on the world. Who would? It'll be an inevitable collapse driven by greed and apathy and frankly we all deserve it.
Human extinction needn't be as grandiose as the world's climate becoming inhospitable to human life overnight. No, it'll be decades upon decades of people gradually losing the ability/inclination to have children as the resulting/accompanying nihilism overtakes what's left of the urban centers and gradually seeps into those few who manage to remain on the outskirts of what was civilization. It'll be a slow burn that boils us all. Well, not "us" per say, more our children's children.
They literally cannot reproduce. It's not a matter of policy or modern philosophy. Our sperm count and testosterone is the lowest it's ever been. THEY LITERALLY TURNED FROGS INTO FEMALES THROUGH THE WATER SUPPLY. Need I say more?
Xenoestrogens impact their water supply just as much as everyone else. Even if you subsisted solely on rainwater, there's still plastic in the FRICKING RAIN >Researchers find that over 1,000 metric tons of microplastic fall on 11 protected areas in the US annually, equivalent to over 120 million plastic water bottles.
https://www.wired.com/story/plastic-rain-is-the-new-acid-rain/
Climate change isn't the real danger of the massive pollution transnational corporations engage in, it's the impact of their poisons (namely plastic and its xenoestrogens) upon the food and water supply.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7139484/
We're racing towards the greatest infertility crisis in human history and no one will sound the alarm until it's too late because obviously these corporations don't want to (won't) spend the extra dollars it takes to responsibly dispose of their hazardous waste.
It's not just corporations fault, obviously. Consumers want more and more endlessly and don't give a shit about the long-term consequences of their purchases on the world. Who would? It'll be an inevitable collapse driven by greed and apathy and frankly we all deserve it.
True. The weird thing is you dont even really see fringe types talking about it. You always see people on Cinemaphile and /misc/ talking about avoiding microplastics and maintaining their test levels on a individual level, but people either havent made the connection to the grander social ramifications or dont give a shit. I dont personally think its that they dont give a shit, everyone loves a disaster. Its as if when people hear about all the birth control hormones in the water supply, they fixate so much on the risk of them growing breasts that they miss the generational sterility elephant in the room.
That population boom is a direct result of the corporate greed and subsequent abundance of resources that has now led to the overabundance of microplastics throughout our food, water, and, again, even in the fricking rain. If you think that bill isn't coming due you're burying your head in the sand. It already has begun. >Infertility rates are rising, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). There used to be a worldwide average of 5 children per woman in 1950, but in 2020, that average has fallen to 2 children according to the United Nations. In the United States, about 11% of women and 9% of men of childbearing age have infertility.
https://www.ccrmivf.com/blog/is-infertility-on-the-rise/
7 months ago
Anonymous
>pretends to give a frick about declining birth rates >continues to vote for parties and policies that frick over the middle class
the tragedy of rightoids
7 months ago
Anonymous
>pretends to care about le carbon emissions >opens borders to the entire third world to live a 1st world lifestyle
7 months ago
Anonymous
>pretends to give a frick about declining birth rates >continues to vote for parties and policies that frick over the middle class
the tragedy of rightoids
Birth rates have nothing to do with economics or even quality of life, its entirely determined by how feminist a country is. The more power women get, the less they want to have kids. Afghanistan is a dirt poor shithole that's been in constant conflict for decades but they don't have any problems with their birthrate because women are expected to marry young and have many children. Contrast this to the feminist West, where women spend their youths whoring around, focusing on careers, and end up having one, maybe two children in their 30s.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Afghanistan
They're not crumbling as fast as the developed countries, but each year it's still lowering by at least 3% since 2009, but started to fall since 1998.
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/AFG/afghanistan/fertility-rate >The current fertility rate for Afghanistan in 2023 is 3.851 births per woman, a 3.53% decline from 2022. >The fertility rate for Afghanistan in 2022 was 3.992 births per woman, a 3.41% decline from 2021. >The fertility rate for Afghanistan in 2021 was 4.133 births per woman, a 3.28% decline from 2020. >The fertility rate for Afghanistan in 2020 was 4.273 births per woman, a 3.19% decline from 2019.
>I know this problem is going to wipe out most, if not all, of humanity eventually but frick them anyway
7 months ago
Anonymous
You dont seem to have a grasp on what a sustainable animal population even is in the first place.
More people exist in the state of new york right now then were alive across the entire fricking planet during Julius Caesar's reign
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, the population boom is the result of the advances in technology that have come before us but now the over abundance of these chemicals used in our food and everyday living materials will cause infertility issues in the future.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think we could overpopulate if we tried, we produce something like a 25% surplus of food even with the exploding african population.
the point is, nobody knows what number this carrying capacity actually is. thomas malthus thought it was 1 billion people and he was obviously mistaken, not everyone is starving right now.
the capacity of the earth to provide all people with a good life and sustainable living rises with the number of people that actively work on this problem. there is no such thing as overpopulation
Good morning, sirs
7 months ago
Anonymous
poverty and pollution in india are political problems, they are an entire continent and could get their shit together if they wanted to
7 months ago
Anonymous
You're not too bright, so I'll make it simple.
Human beings create waste
There is a finite amount of waste that can be created before it becomes unsustainable and can no longer be managed.
This, in turn, means there is a finite amount of human beings than can be sustainable and managed.
The amount of waste that humans produce exceeded this amount about 30 years ago already.
Even in England, waste is completely unmanageable at this point and they're literally shipping it off into the sea
>A culling of the species is inevitable and much needed.
your blackpill mindset is really boring.
the vast majority of all humans havent even been born yet.
absolute numbers of people don't matter at all, the carrying capacity of the earth has risen insanely with the use of technology and nobody knows how many humans could live on earth without running out of resources. theres no reason to assume we have reached the ceiling yet.
we're already producing enough food for 12 billion people, famines are entirely a distribution problem and not some natural law.
there will be trillions of people by the end of this millenium
7 months ago
Anonymous
>the earth exists >so we should overpopulate it with complete disregard to the quality of life and sustainability it can afford
7 months ago
Anonymous
I don't think we could overpopulate if we tried, we produce something like a 25% surplus of food even with the exploding african population.
7 months ago
Anonymous
the point is, nobody knows what number this carrying capacity actually is. thomas malthus thought it was 1 billion people and he was obviously mistaken, not everyone is starving right now.
the capacity of the earth to provide all people with a good life and sustainable living rises with the number of people that actively work on this problem. there is no such thing as overpopulation
>It's not just corporations fault, obviously
It's 100% their fault, because they lobbied the American government to have more ability for profit seeking, which created a business culture of profit seeking at the cost of everything else.
The only people to blame are the corporate lobbyists on behalf of the corporations, unless we're splitting the blame between the corporate lobbyists, corporations, and the politicians that look the bribes.
It's good, if you want a laugh.
In the 50's people were like "I bet we'll have flying cars by the year 2000.
In the early 2000's people were like "I'm certain the ice caps will melt by the year 2020.
And here's us 2023 waiting for WW3 to start over Israel.
>WWIII will start because of Russia >WWIII will start because of Israel
Not going to happen. You act like this is the first time there’s been territorial disputes in the Middle East.
No Ivan this agitation thread doesn't work either. Yes ivan we know this is part of your agitation cycle. Your next batch of threads will be about Spielberg and Saving Private Ryan so you can scream about israelites, right?
I mean he says in the movie which is, what, nearly 20 years old now, that all of the polar ice caps will be gone in 5 years--or rather according to one model. Obviously a very shit model and therefore makes you wonder how bad the underlying science is.
Can you link it/give more info? If it's half then really we don't have much to worry out in the west since advances will just phase most things out. Real issue is what is going to happen with the 3 billion people in the third world and their emergent need for oil...
It's called INM-CNM5, supposedly it's the only climate model that predicted the warming pause between 2000 and 2014. The temperature still goes up but it's less of a hockey stick than all the other models.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>INM-CNM5
thanks anon
Seems to be CM5 not CNM5 just fyi
They made us watch this in highschool to try and explain global warming to us in the late 2000s.
You can watch it for a laugh to see the bullshit they predict that has informed the last 20 years of climate policy and then look at how they weasel out of nothing matching their forecasting for what will happen by rebranding it every 5-6 years. Get ready for Global Boiling to become the new word they use all the time.
posting from underwater in the Gulf of Mexico (formerly Tennessee)
the seas rose, we should have listened to AI, we should have paid more taxes to appease The Climategod
If the movie's right, it's too late to matter. If it's wrong, it didn't matter to begin with.
I mean obviously we're poisoning our water and food supply, but that doesn't really mean we're "killing the planet." At worst we'll go extinct and probably take most mammals out with us. Earth will still be fine in the grand scheme of things.
Whatever the next sentient species after humans is, hopefully they're less c**ts about it.
Probably corvids or cephalopods
Imagine PLANET OF THE CROWS
birds are fragile as frick, especially their lungs
humans and rats are arguably the only animals tough enough to survive the clathrate gun
we're so far from going extinct it's not even funny. it's only about how much GDP we're willing to throw at minor issues.
See
Human extinction needn't be as grandiose as the world's climate becoming inhospitable to human life overnight. No, it'll be decades upon decades of people gradually losing the ability/inclination to have children as the resulting/accompanying nihilism overtakes what's left of the urban centers and gradually seeps into those few who manage to remain on the outskirts of what was civilization. It'll be a slow burn that boils us all. Well, not "us" per say, more our children's children.
They literally cannot reproduce. It's not a matter of policy or modern philosophy. Our sperm count and testosterone is the lowest it's ever been. THEY LITERALLY TURNED FROGS INTO FEMALES THROUGH THE WATER SUPPLY. Need I say more?
Then the amish will take over, it's not like everyone on earth participates in the global system.
Xenoestrogens impact their water supply just as much as everyone else. Even if you subsisted solely on rainwater, there's still plastic in the FRICKING RAIN
>Researchers find that over 1,000 metric tons of microplastic fall on 11 protected areas in the US annually, equivalent to over 120 million plastic water bottles.
https://www.wired.com/story/plastic-rain-is-the-new-acid-rain/
Haven't seen it but I watched the sequel. Most of it was him coping about how wrong he was last time.
No, people are finally realizing that the earth has never had, and will never have a static climate
Climate change isn't the real danger of the massive pollution transnational corporations engage in, it's the impact of their poisons (namely plastic and its xenoestrogens) upon the food and water supply.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7139484/
We're racing towards the greatest infertility crisis in human history and no one will sound the alarm until it's too late because obviously these corporations don't want to (won't) spend the extra dollars it takes to responsibly dispose of their hazardous waste.
It's not just corporations fault, obviously. Consumers want more and more endlessly and don't give a shit about the long-term consequences of their purchases on the world. Who would? It'll be an inevitable collapse driven by greed and apathy and frankly we all deserve it.
True. The weird thing is you dont even really see fringe types talking about it. You always see people on Cinemaphile and /misc/ talking about avoiding microplastics and maintaining their test levels on a individual level, but people either havent made the connection to the grander social ramifications or dont give a shit. I dont personally think its that they dont give a shit, everyone loves a disaster. Its as if when people hear about all the birth control hormones in the water supply, they fixate so much on the risk of them growing breasts that they miss the generational sterility elephant in the room.
>We're racing towards the greatest infertility crisis in human history
The human population has grown 10x more on the last 100 years then it has in the last 10,000 years.
More human beings exist right now at this very moment then have existed since the dawn of time altogether
How does any of that relate to what he said?
Take a step back and think about it for a sec. I'll wait.
That population boom is a direct result of the corporate greed and subsequent abundance of resources that has now led to the overabundance of microplastics throughout our food, water, and, again, even in the fricking rain. If you think that bill isn't coming due you're burying your head in the sand. It already has begun.
>Infertility rates are rising, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). There used to be a worldwide average of 5 children per woman in 1950, but in 2020, that average has fallen to 2 children according to the United Nations. In the United States, about 11% of women and 9% of men of childbearing age have infertility.
https://www.ccrmivf.com/blog/is-infertility-on-the-rise/
>pretends to give a frick about declining birth rates
>continues to vote for parties and policies that frick over the middle class
the tragedy of rightoids
>pretends to care about le carbon emissions
>opens borders to the entire third world to live a 1st world lifestyle
Birth rates have nothing to do with economics or even quality of life, its entirely determined by how feminist a country is. The more power women get, the less they want to have kids. Afghanistan is a dirt poor shithole that's been in constant conflict for decades but they don't have any problems with their birthrate because women are expected to marry young and have many children. Contrast this to the feminist West, where women spend their youths whoring around, focusing on careers, and end up having one, maybe two children in their 30s.
>Afghanistan
They're not crumbling as fast as the developed countries, but each year it's still lowering by at least 3% since 2009, but started to fall since 1998.
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/AFG/afghanistan/fertility-rate
>The current fertility rate for Afghanistan in 2023 is 3.851 births per woman, a 3.53% decline from 2022.
>The fertility rate for Afghanistan in 2022 was 3.992 births per woman, a 3.41% decline from 2021.
>The fertility rate for Afghanistan in 2021 was 4.133 births per woman, a 3.28% decline from 2020.
>The fertility rate for Afghanistan in 2020 was 4.273 births per woman, a 3.19% decline from 2019.
I'll rephrase it, more human beings have been born in this last century alone, then every single century before, all COMBINED together.
A culling of the species is inevitable and much needed.
>I know this problem is going to wipe out most, if not all, of humanity eventually but frick them anyway
You dont seem to have a grasp on what a sustainable animal population even is in the first place.
More people exist in the state of new york right now then were alive across the entire fricking planet during Julius Caesar's reign
Yes, the population boom is the result of the advances in technology that have come before us but now the over abundance of these chemicals used in our food and everyday living materials will cause infertility issues in the future.
Good morning, sirs
poverty and pollution in india are political problems, they are an entire continent and could get their shit together if they wanted to
You're not too bright, so I'll make it simple.
Human beings create waste
There is a finite amount of waste that can be created before it becomes unsustainable and can no longer be managed.
This, in turn, means there is a finite amount of human beings than can be sustainable and managed.
The amount of waste that humans produce exceeded this amount about 30 years ago already.
Even in England, waste is completely unmanageable at this point and they're literally shipping it off into the sea
>A culling of the species is inevitable and much needed.
your blackpill mindset is really boring.
the vast majority of all humans havent even been born yet.
absolute numbers of people don't matter at all, the carrying capacity of the earth has risen insanely with the use of technology and nobody knows how many humans could live on earth without running out of resources. theres no reason to assume we have reached the ceiling yet.
we're already producing enough food for 12 billion people, famines are entirely a distribution problem and not some natural law.
there will be trillions of people by the end of this millenium
>the earth exists
>so we should overpopulate it with complete disregard to the quality of life and sustainability it can afford
I don't think we could overpopulate if we tried, we produce something like a 25% surplus of food even with the exploding african population.
the point is, nobody knows what number this carrying capacity actually is. thomas malthus thought it was 1 billion people and he was obviously mistaken, not everyone is starving right now.
the capacity of the earth to provide all people with a good life and sustainable living rises with the number of people that actively work on this problem. there is no such thing as overpopulation
>It's not just corporations fault, obviously
It's 100% their fault, because they lobbied the American government to have more ability for profit seeking, which created a business culture of profit seeking at the cost of everything else.
The only people to blame are the corporate lobbyists on behalf of the corporations, unless we're splitting the blame between the corporate lobbyists, corporations, and the politicians that look the bribes.
It's good, if you want a laugh.
In the 50's people were like "I bet we'll have flying cars by the year 2000.
In the early 2000's people were like "I'm certain the ice caps will melt by the year 2020.
And here's us 2023 waiting for WW3 to start over Israel.
>WWIII will start because of Russia
>WWIII will start because of Israel
Not going to happen. You act like this is the first time there’s been territorial disputes in the Middle East.
No Ivan this agitation thread doesn't work either. Yes ivan we know this is part of your agitation cycle. Your next batch of threads will be about Spielberg and Saving Private Ryan so you can scream about israelites, right?
Is this Ivan fella with us right now, anon?
Yeah it's you
I mean he says in the movie which is, what, nearly 20 years old now, that all of the polar ice caps will be gone in 5 years--or rather according to one model. Obviously a very shit model and therefore makes you wonder how bad the underlying science is.
Funny, the russian model has been the most reliable for the last 30 years.
And what does it predict
2x less warming than the averages of all the western models.
Can you link it/give more info? If it's half then really we don't have much to worry out in the west since advances will just phase most things out. Real issue is what is going to happen with the 3 billion people in the third world and their emergent need for oil...
It's called INM-CNM5, supposedly it's the only climate model that predicted the warming pause between 2000 and 2014. The temperature still goes up but it's less of a hockey stick than all the other models.
>INM-CNM5
thanks anon
Seems to be CM5 not CNM5 just fyi
>"We must save the world from climate change RIGHT NOW AT ANY COST OR WE WILL ALL DIE!"
So then switch to nuclear.
>"No that costs too much"
>um an earthquake and a tsunami was able to damage a nuclear power plant so it's dangerous and can never be used mmkay?
>NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST DROP BARRELS OF NUCLEAR WASTE DOWN EMPTY MINESHAFTS
>B-BECAUSE WE SAY SO!!!
Out of all the fictional movies in history, this one has probably changed the world the most
They made us watch this in highschool to try and explain global warming to us in the late 2000s.
You can watch it for a laugh to see the bullshit they predict that has informed the last 20 years of climate policy and then look at how they weasel out of nothing matching their forecasting for what will happen by rebranding it every 5-6 years. Get ready for Global Boiling to become the new word they use all the time.
This board really is just pol lite now. So fricking embarrassing.
what's wrong with being polite
Only in the sense that this fake flick helped propagate the lie
Reduce the population.
Yeah. We are underwater now
posting from underwater in the Gulf of Mexico (formerly Tennessee)
the seas rose, we should have listened to AI, we should have paid more taxes to appease The Climategod
>2023
>people still believe in the climate hoax
>peak clownworld