I noticed most modern mecha tend to lean towards
a more real robot (but not too realistic) design philosophy. We really don’t see much new combining “god like” super robots anymore.
I noticed most modern mecha tend to lean towards. a more real robot (but not too realistic) design philosophy.
You don't see much mecha anymore, period, for two reasons:
1. Japan is losing their ability to create mecha anime. The anime industry has shifted to many TV shows being pumped out each season, usually with the animators not being enough time to do anything more than a passable job. Mecha have more lines and need much more time and effort to look good, which the production committee model does not allow for. The only studio still putting out 2D mecha anime is Sunrise, but they really only care about milking the UC timeline. 3D CGI mechas are despised as a substitute.
2. seemingly diminished audience interest in mecha. The genre decline's overlapped with the rise of cyncism and the lack of nationalism. Mecha is inherently about defending a civilization, be it from giant monsters attacking cities or a foreign country trying to conquer. Mecha thrived in a time when people when the economy was doing well, people were proud of their nations, and people were optimistic about the future. Now our IRL societies have been destroyed. The family unit has been eviscerated, kids are sent to dysfunctional prison schools, people don't know their neighbors (perhaps not even speaking the same language as them) let alone participate in a local community, and the economy has been bad for decades (coming up on 20 years for the US, 30 for Japan), and so on. Ever since the forever wars in the Middle-East, US military recruitment is at an all time low. People generally feel that their country is a shithole and things are only going to get worse from here. You will find few willing to risk their lives to defend it. You see this sentiment reflected in a lot of pop culture, where there is apologism for the villains and "society" is to blame, and the protagonists often being selfishly motivated. The objective of Cyberpunk 2077 isn't to fight for Los Angeles to protect the people there. It is to escape the hellhole so you can live a better life.
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You even see this reflected in contemporary mecha. In Gundam IBO, neither side is depicted as worth fighting for. The protagonists are at the mercy of a hostile world and the only thing they can do is maybe carve out a place for themself. There is no impetus to fight for a country like Amuro fought for the Federation. In 86, the protagonists desert their country during wartime to try to survive out there on their own. And so on.
The reason why capeshit and shounen thrives while mecha dies is that capeshit (people with superpowers) isn't inherently about defending civilization like mecha is. A mecha requires a civilization to build and maintain, and can only be reasonably deployed to defend against civilization ending threats. Capeshit however is just about people with superpowers. It could be a heist movie but conducted by capes, or a revenge story about how a cape avenges his father by hunting down the villain, or a shounen about a brother trying to protect his vampire sister, or whatever. The motives can often be "selfish" and not involve fighting on behalf of a greater civilization that the audience might not be inclined to sympathize with.
What mecha anime have the protagonist fight for their nation? It's usually things like fighting for survival, protecting people close to them or maybe fighting against tyranny. There have always been plenty of shows where you could describe the protagonist as having "selfish" motivations and not fighting for a greater civilization.
Watch more anime.
if this isn't pasta, it's extremely embarassing.
Aside from the nationlism shit which part of it was wrong?
All of it.
i dunno, that bit about mecha being harder to draw in 2d seems pretty apt.
>mecha being harder to draw in 2d
As opposed to?
Have you not been seeing the stunning shit sunrise has been pulling off on uc ENGAGE? 3D animation has been getting stunningly better and the fact they’ve been able to nearly replicate the style of the 0079 anime is that astounding. Of course they still do hand drawn but it’s nothing to sneeze at, they know what they’re doing
>3D animation has been getting stunningly better
3D peaked on 2004 with Innocence, I assume as we get more people specialized on it we'll get directors dedicated solely to 3D and that's when the good stuff will start coming out.
why can't anime do this
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Time and Money
FromSoft had years to work on this an a far bigger budget. After all a game OP Like that is hugely tied to marketing and thus they'll pull out all the stops for it as really it's a MoneyShot. As it'll show up plenty in trailers on Youtube and other Social Media to build up hype for the game and be a teaser for what will come in later.
Even with movies where models were used before super fancy CG you can tell where the Moneyshot scenes were. Hell the "Leaving Stardock" scene in Star Trek: The Motion Picture where it's incredibly long and drawn out giving a lot of angles because damnit you were gonna appreciate the studio model they made of the remodeled Enterprise.
I fail to see what anime is supposedly not doing here.
do you really think it's any easier to animate proper shounen fight scenes or female characters? there isn't as enough demand(and budget) for mecha nowadays. because nobody except for a few boomers and the chinese think giant robots are cool nowadays.
also why do people think 50 episode shows are better animated than seasonal anime i have no idea
>do you really think it's any easier to animate proper shounen fight scenes or female characters?
Nta, but i would argue that most of animator have more passion to draw cute girl than mecha
As if it were their decision what to draw.
because mecha isn't popular. if animators could earn a good buck drawing robots they would still be as talented as in the 80's.
Take it easy it’s just a toy advertisement
Why not have a super robot show in a dystopian hell hole city? There, genera saved.
I honestly wasn’t expecting a /misc/ schizo rant when I came into this thread, about mecha design philosophy. Whoever wrote that clearly has problems AND has no sense of justice whatsoever. And this guy clearly hasn’t watched Super Sentai or the new voltes V show
>genera saved
It doesn't need saving.
You do know Cyberjank was based off a tabletop game from the '80s?
Also, Cyberpunk ttrpg turns into an anime at higher combat levels.
Getting a borg in power armor potentially let's you dropkick tanks out of existence. That's ignoring the speedware of 2077 and other nonsense.
Highest level cyberpunk combat is about superpowered robots murdering each other in cities for their corporate masters, often at the expense of the city architecture around them.
>Highest level cyberpunk combat is about superpowered robots murdering each other in cities for their corporate masters, often at the expense of the city architecture around them
Kino...
Frick off tourist.
What kind of schizo rambling is this? I thought better of /m/.
A tourist, I’ve been on his board long enough to know there aren’t usually people like that here
>Mecha is inherently about defending a civilization
You can write an arena fights mecha story or a combat-less mecha labor story tho
Neither are much of a rarity
They hated him cause he told them the truth
Frick off /misc/ scum
Kind of telling that all the responses were non-sequitur, adhominem, one-liners
Cool it with the anti-semitism.
>seemingly diminished audience interest in mecha. The genre decline's overlapped with the rise of cyncism and the lack of nationalism. Mecha is inherently about defending a civilization, be it from giant monsters attacking cities or a foreign country trying to conquer. Mecha thrived in a time when people when the economy was doing well, people were proud of their nations, and people were optimistic about the future.
MFW I have this grim realization about the last time my country was happy and excited about mecha and how it corelates to our state as a people
Explains a lot more than I was expecting.
Hes trying to demoralize people for no reason, for crying out loud this started off as a thread about MECHA DESIGN, he spent too much time on /misc/ that’s what and neither should you. Let this thread die
He wasn't wrong though
I said frick off /misc/ scum, you are the cancer killing this website
Creators not being interested in making optimistic works is an industry issue, not a political one. How connected this is to a greater cultural zeitgeist, and whether those sentiments are warranted would be political.
Personally I think that it's happening because times are uncertain for the creators themselves, and they're taking it out in their creative output. Streaming is built on a business model notoriously hard to turn a profit with, every non-internet channel of media has atrophied since 2000, and even going small and reaching out
on your own to a small audience is harder when sites like youtube constantly change policies and add and remove obstacles to getting eyes on your content.
There have been plenty of optimistic shows lately, you just didn't bother checking them out and would rather post pseud shit online to justify your jaded disinterest for your hobby.
You do realize you are saying all of this weird stuff on a thread that started as about “god like combining super robots right”? This isn’t a thread about “society” anon, it never was.
This post is good and you should feel good. Commie swine can't handle the truth.
Thank you.
NOT THE HECKIN' NEIGHBOURINOS!
>/m/ can't be about heists or revenge
Holy pseud
A Power Rangers like show but instead of Angel Grove, it takes place in Portland Oregon or San Francisco.
How come mecha don’t have mouths anymore (besides Transformers).
Faceplates are cooler
We get a ton in Super Sentai every year.
How come super robot stuff is only for little kids?
The only exception is whenever they make a modern version of a Go Nagai thing.
>Go Nagai
But anon, all of Uncle Go's works are for kids 8^)
We need shows about cute girls piloting mecha.
There's like 3 every year and you never watch them.
they're 3DPD mecha
Yeah there is always a gay excuse, but the fact remains.
shitty hand-drawn powerpoint slideshow is superior to the best CGI
You wouldn't know because you haven't seen either lol.
the filler episodes in naruto look better than kengan ashura netflix anime
Shut up, Japan.
>Itt simple question turns into a /misc/ hells ape in post one
I sincerely believe that all boards should have a “This belongs on /misc/“ as a global rule ASAP to permanently sever their influence and ideals
/misc/ outside /misc/ should get banned on-sight
>POL POL POL POL POL POL POL
What the frick is going on.
This thread wasn’t deleted because it comes off as something simple and it should’ve from the start. Just let this thread die
No, the thread wasn't deleted because we have no jannies that care about the board.
Janitors applications are being set up, be the change this board needs
/m/ being moronic
There is nothing /misc/ about first post. People's standards have changed since the 70s and he just said why
>There is nothing /misc/ about the first post
Uh huh sure it isn’t. I’ve seen this excuse many times before to not see what’s behind that mask
Mods are dead, post ginguiser