Pros:
>opening scene is pretty good but almost completely spoiled by the trailers
>Ben Affleck and Jeremy Irons are great
>Michael Keaton for the short amount of time he's there is also fantastic
>the score, a combination of new music and Danny Elfman classics
>effects aren't quite as bad as they look in the trailers
Cons:
>if you hate Ezra Miller you're not going to like this movie.
>Old Barry is played as a twitchy autist who does the "i'm awkwardly talking for way too long" joke at least 5 times
>Young Barry is just a typical annoying teenager
>when together they don't have much chemistry at all. It's just Ezra being annoyed by this twerp. I feel that Young Barry could be removed to free up a slot for KeatonBats or Supergirl as the secondary protagonist
>speaking of Supergirl, she's not bad per say but she's not given much to say or do. And again all of her action scenes are already in the trailers
>the humor didn't work for me. It was as bad as some of the worst MCU comedy. All of the side characters are either idiots or jerkasses in order for Ezra to give his spaz performance as Old Barry.
>Zod and Faora barely do anything and just remind you how bad Man of Steel was
>Iris West is a nothing character and her romance with Barry is given about 3 minutes screentime. Could have been cut
>the directing is nothing you haven't already seen in superhero movies but done more generically. There's a generic version of the street chase from The Dark Knight, a generic version of the Quicksilver scenes from the X-Men movies, there's the standard comedic staging from most MCU films, etc
>any talk about this being a love letter to DC media is overblown. It's one scene at the very end of the movie that serves no plot purpose and is just "MEMBER OLD THING? PLEASE CLAP". For any fans of Titans it's identical to their multiverse scene and is just as cheap
Overall i'd give it a 5.5/10. My audience didn't go crazy over it like others did, not even Keaton's clapbreak got fanfare. Just a lot of "it was okay!" comments at the end
This lines up with I’ve heard from some guys I’ve talked to that saw it. Definitely wished they gave more for supergirl but oh well.
how is her actress? is she at least not painful to watch? she's hot and if she's good i hope she keeps the role for the upcoming movie.
She just exists & tries to be dramatic + compassionate but it don't matter. Forgettable performance. An inoffensive pleasant nothing would be the best way to describe her.
Do you think the movie will bomb?
it's gonna be lucky to get 60m opening weekend, everybody's been revising estimates down for weeks
How does Supergirl die?
Stabbed by Zod. Stabbed by Zod. Stabbed by Zod
We are talking Sasha Calle, right?
Does she stay dead?
Latino/Black Supergurl dies? Really?
Guess now I have another reason to watch this shit... aside from BatKeaton
>For any fans of Titans it's identical to their multiverse scene and is just as cheap
Does Grant Morrison show up?
Nope.
I meant if you hate Ezra as a performer, which some people do. I didn't want to mention his IRL problems.
And yeah there is a difference between the Barrys, but I didn't like either version.
I think Marvel/Fox getting Quicksilver on the big screen before Flash really kneecaps Flash now. They got QS doing all the cool Flash stuff before Flash was even cast so everything is going to feel like "generic QS" stuff.
Fox yes. Marvel no. Marvel did nothing cool or interesting with superspeed
What about that IKARIS NOOO Chick?
I forgot that movie even existed lol. I don't know. You might be right
How does it end
Young Barry becomes a martyr to stop Dark Flash, save Snyder Barry & prevent Zod from winning & killing Keaton Batman & Kara. But in order for the things to go back to the way they were, Barry has to allow what happened to Nora originally to occur but by switching the position of the tomato cans (so the CCTV could still capture the face of his dad to prove his innocence in the court) he still fricks up the timeline & once his dad's name is cleared, he's being greeted by George Clooney's Bruce Wayne not Batfleck. Cue another credits scene with drunk Jason 'M''man!' Momoa for kicks.
Who killed Nora?
Left for the 'inevitable' sequel to ponder.
Inevitable? It's gonna need Tremendous Word of Mouth
>Inevitable
With the new administration?
It ends with
>Dark Flash attempts to kill Old Barry. Young Barry sacifices himself by getting impaled instead and both Young Barry and Dark Flash die
>Barry says goodbye to his mom, cries while she's touching his face in slow motion, thentakes the tomato can back out of her cart
>Flash proves his dad's innocence by putting the tomato cans on the top shelf so the security camera can see dad's face
>Iris asks Barry out to dinner and he accepts
>Bruce Wayne drives in to congratulate Barry but it's now George Clooney instead of Affleck or Keaton. Barry doesn't think he's Batman until George tells him to stop messing around. Barry smiles and loses his tooth.
>mid credits gag is a dog falling from the hospital building trying to eat food in mid air while Barry is saving the babies
>end credits scene is drunk Aquaman learning about the multiverse from Flash, it's not very funny
Wayne drives in to congratulate Barry but it's now George Clooney instead of Affleck or Keaton. Barry doesn't think he's Batman until George tells him to stop messing around. Barry smiles and loses his tooth
>>mid credits gag is a dog falling from the hospital building trying to eat food in mid air while Barry is saving the babies
>>end credits scene is drunk Aquaman learning about the multiverse from Flash, it's not very funny
That’s the grave for the Snyderverse?
There's still Aquaman in December
And Blue Beetle
Nobody cares about Blue Beetle he's a boring character.
You're a boring character.
To be fair, I was talking about Jaime. Ted is based.
It's a fitting one.
Good. That universe should be buried in the grave forever. Atleast we’re getting a new universe that’s not gonna be controlled by an 13 year old edgelord.
>Atleast we’re getting a new universe that’s not gonna be controlled by an 13 year old edgelord.
Anon I...
Bit of a weird way to describe Walter Hamada.
I was talking about him
Anon, he hasn't had any control over the DCEU since leaving production of JL. The last 7 movies were under Hamada.
Oh yeah forgot about him, my bad anon.
Except Black Adam.
Still a Hamada production. Flash, Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2 were also developed under him.
Gunn's era doesn't start until Superman Legacy.
Bro Rock overruled almost every Hamada desicion took, including having Cavill at the post credit scene
And now Rock's out. How the hell does WB even function with shit like this?
Hilarious how he tried to take full control of the DCEU and make it centered around him kek
Anon, the architect for the next DCEU is James Gunn. The next batch of movies are going to be supervised by a quippy 13 yo edgelord intead of a moody one.
It died how it lived.
>That’s the grave for the Snyderverse?
>mid credits gag is a dog falling from the hospital building trying to eat food in mid air while Barry is saving the babies
Why Cut the scene of Batfleck being lost in the Multiverse?
>end credits scene is drunk Aquaman learning about the multiverse from Flash, it's not very funny
2 Post Credit Stinkers
Thanks for nothing DC
>Why Cut the scene of Batfleck being lost in the Multiverse?
The less conexion the movie had with the Snyderverse, the better. No loose ends, just and end.
This movie made the Snyder cut canon
I mean, all scenes that could lead to more Snyderverse movies like Batfleck lost in the multiverse were edited out for a reason. This is the end of the Snyderverse. No loose ends to look forward.
How? Anons claiming otherwise in the other thread, that this treats the theatrical cut as canon
Well that anon is outright lying. There's two major connections. One is Iris saying how she thinks she met Barry again a few years ago. Barry saving Iris is only in the Snyder cut. The other is Barry and Bruce talking about time travel and how Barry knows he can do it because he did it in Russia which is also only in the Snyder cut.
It doesn't just "end" though.
They'd have been better off keeping Affleck's little scene, Cavill's too, and adding Ezra doing some ADR about their being a Justice League in every universe, ready to fight evil overlaid on a CGI/body double montage of the Justice League fighting/defeating Darkseid.
That way you show the end of the Snyderverse that the drones wanted.
Not showing a real end means they'll beg for more forever.
>Not showing a real end means they'll beg for more forever.
Exactly, the ending felt more of a cliffhanger than an end to the universe.
>Exactly, the ending felt more of a cliffhanger than an end to the universe.
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-flash-release-ezra-miller-premiere-secret-ending-sequel-1235632040/
>as they did.
HOLY CRINGE!
Yes please
How does this work? Like they'll just have Erza randomly dropping in the Gunnverse movies even though he'll most likely have his own Flash?
Hopefully it bombs to such an extent where they'll have no options but to scrap unwarranted & unnecessary side schemes like Flash 2 & focus only on what Gunn & co. are putting into the world. So none of us, be it creators or the audience, ever have to suffer, deal or hear from the remnants of the Snyderverse ever again. Let the past die & bury it, if you have to.
I want that Universe to be dead and gone and those annoying Snyder fanboys to stop spamming there stupid hashtags.
Amen!
>Hopefully it bombs to such an extent
if this Black Adam-s, WBD won't have the movie to fund their own DCEU. All of this shit was paid for by AT&T, and WBD has not been making money vs their 40 billion loan.
So the movie has to make it's budget backif we want a new DCEU?
Do you REALLY believe they'll do a sequel? It feels like they're saying this just to say "Hey, this movie is important, you better watch it because a sequel's on the way"
Reminds me of when it was obvious Fant4stic was a dud but Kinberg kept insisting it was gonna have a sequel, for like at least a year
Dude, this is a disaster on so many levels (again, like the Wild Wild West) & there won't be no sequel.
I know, my point is, does anyone actually believe that spin? Like the director is going out there saying the equivalent of "Yeah we're totally going to do a sequel and we're totally bringing back Michael Keaton and Sasha Calle!"
I expect them to keep claiming this for a couple months before quietly pretending they never said there was going to be a sequel.
A bunch of liars & pretenders is what they are, after all you never thought you would be watchin' yet another flick featuring Batman when the TDKR Nolan Talia moment happens once again... but there's a twist - it happens to be the last time you see Keaton on the big screen (also a death scene), so the joke's on you, suckers! (t. Andy Mousketeeriettii)
>but there's a twist - it happens to be the last time you see Keaton on the big screen (also a death scene), so the joke's on you, suckers! (t. Andy Mousketeeriettii)
Let's be fair here, that wasn't the original intention, Keaton was gonna be the one who showed up at the end.
I don't know whose idea it was to decide to change the ending, though. Was it the It director or Gunn's idea? Cause it feels like a waste of money just to do a mildly funny gag
We're only talking about the final product, the actual film - it is one of the worst flicks of the year & in the CBM genre. I couldn't care less what was changed, rewritten or cut from the film - I only judge it based on what I saw & what I witnessed was as horrible as the Wild Wild West, an incoherent mess of a project that pretends that it has something to say but ends up saying absolutely fricking nothing.
>- it is one of the worst flicks of the year & in the CBM genre
no it isn't
It is. Like everything that is being fed to the public these days, this turd will split people in several camps: those who see it for what it is, those who will be in denial, those who will accept it with open arms, those who will stay neutral & those who will claim that it's pretty bad but then will do video essays on YouTube with a revisionist take on how The Flash was a misunderstood cult classic. It's cyclical, all of it. A predictable pattern of thinking for a predictable culture that likes being lied to & exploited.
This.
Is just a smokescreen to create nore fake kype around the movie while the usual $0¥heads at youtubes open their gapin black holes in theit maws to swallow us into the pits of hell.
But anon, people nowadays are even more stupid, triggered, and dont remember things past 1 month anymore!
If they do a sequel it should set up both introduce the Flash's Rouges Gallery and set up Justice League 2 with Maybe a tease to Batman vs Deathstroke.
>Why Cut the scene of Batfleck being lost in the Multiverse?
Affleck is out as Batman and this movie is DC's reset button for WB and Gunn, there's no point in keeping a cliffhanger that only gives false hope of seeing more of the Snyderverse.
I mean, Barry ends up stranded on Clooney Batman world.
does he though? I thought it ends on a scene of a faceless batman
No it's Clooney. That scene got the biggest laugh in my theatre when Barry said "Who the frick is this?"
Why does his tooth fall out
THIS. WHY?!
He loses it earlier in the movie from an accident
Most people are saying it's because he ends up in the George Clooney Universe which is widely known to be quirky and cartoony, so it follows different rules.
No its because he superglued it back in earlier on.
Why the frick does his tooth fall out WHAT THE FUUUCK
>older clooney looks pretty cool for a batman part just like brandon routh did after a couple years after SR
this feels so weird. maybe its because i genuinely miss schumaker now that he died.
Same brother
Phone Booth was kino
Don't forget about Falling Down!
I almost did. Thank you for reminding me.
Wtf that was Schumacher?
Yes, if it wasn’t for WB’s toyetic & McDonalds-lite approach to making the Batman franchise safer for kids (staring from Forever), we would’ve gotten a pretty hardcore & brutal Year One Batman film (Joel was obsessed with that comic).
Weren’t they going to make a Year One film with Darren Aronofsky?
True but his original intention was to insert elements of it in Forever & after a failure of B&R trying to reboot it as something more grounded & less campy. Naturally, by that point it was already a bit too late but the intention was there - it’s just that Warner Bros had more say in things back then & was less auteur-driven when it came to CBMs (because they got burned by Burton’s Returns, lost a lot of $$$ because of giving him free artistic reign & had to deal with a lot of parents complaining that the film traumatized their children & all that bs nonsense).
Is that where the Forever subplot of Bruce seeing a shrink and struggling with reconciling the two identities comes from? I know it's pretty minor in the final movie compared to all the unsanctioned buffoonery but it stands out as something that could've been part of a much better movie
Precisely, the deleted scenes deal a lot with that specific subplot. Here’s hoping Kevin Smith reveals more about the Schumacher Cut on the 19th of June. He has the rough unedited cut of the film on his hands & will discuss it with Marc Bernardin (he probably watched it by now). Apparently for 25$, if you’re from L.A., you’ll be able to hear him talk about the cut live & at the end of this event, Smith will show clips of it to the audience (he won’t stream it online to avoid legal problems with WB).
>legal problems with WB
Why would WB even care for Forever? that film was like 30 years ago
Pure business. They don’t want some guy from Jersey to profit off their I.P illegally (they still own their piece of the Bat-pie & sign all the checks) show it to his fans exclusively in his Jersey theater (even in rough uncut quality). What Smith attempts at doing - might interfere with their bigger plans for releasing the Schumacher cut on Max or perhaps doing an updated 4K/restoration of said cut in 2025, the 30th Anniversary of the film (!) seems like a perfect opportunity to capitalize on the nostalgia of the movie & make more $$$ by selling new merchandise & connecting it to the unveiling of the Joel cut.
And help rebuild their tattered reputation.
>Apparently for 25$, if you’re from L.A., you’ll be able to hear him talk about the cut live
Oh boy, I can't wait to pay Kevin Smith to hear him talk about a movie I want to see but I can't for some legal reason
Yep, pic related too
Also 8MM was the first movie Joel did after B&R
God, Ezra is a fricking goblin
Did Erza actually say Frick?
Why is his face so fricking stupid?
Ezra's body language betrays his mental illness.
He really is a dysgenic little freak
More like the Snyderverse is stuck with Clooney instead of Affleck
An improvement honestly.
So Barry rewrote the whole timeline changing Batman only? That movie doesn't give a clousure to anything.
It's an equivalent exchange for his mother's death
Saturation being at standard instead of vivid does not instantly imply Snyderverse
Seeing this
it's just the last gag for the movie not a cliffhanger, like that Simpsons treehouse of horror skit where Homer travels back in time and sets in a timeline where everyone has long tongues.
Affleck would come back for Zack Snyder though.
Is the drunken Aquaman Snyderverse Aquaman or George Clooney world Aquaman?
There is no proper "Burtonverse" or "Schumacherverse" seen, just the Snyderverse getting fricked and somehow spawning Keaton and Clooney
The Nic Cage cameo can be the "real" Burtonverse
But then won't that never be followed up on due to the reboot or is it implying George Clooney is playing Batman in Brave and the Bold?
We didnt even get to see the lore or even some panning shots of Bruce's loved ones in photos.
What happens to Supergirl?
She's getting killed in every timeline
Fricking canon events!
She's fated to get killed by Zod.
She is Ryonabait.
Dead but presumably in the restoration she's alive and around somewhere since they were planning on doing more with the character. Probably not though
>muh "honorary Cinemaphile" live action crap
we need to stop letting this shit be allowed on here
Shut up
You will never be a janny
You will never be a janny
I don't care what some Hollywood dipshits are doing
Wrong board
So Nic Cage Superman, does he look like pic-related or different?
He looks just like that. I was hoping they'd use the crazy 90s test suit but they didn't.
>Does Henry Cavill's Superman physically appear?
Kind of. He shows up from the back on TV using his heat vision.
>How many Post Credit Scenes are there?
Just one, but the ending of the movie with George Clooney kind of felt like a post credtis scene. There's no mid credits scene.
>What role does Dark Flash Play?
He's the reason the multiverse gets messed up and intentionally trapped Old Barry in 2013 so that Young Barry will eventually turn into Dark Flash.
>Does it look like Ben Affleck Batman had scenes that were removed?
Outside of what we know they took out (originally the movie ended with Batfleck asking for Barry's help because he was trapped between the multiverses), it didn't look like it. He did adruptly leave the movie though, Bruce drove all the way to Coast City but for some reason didn't take Barry's offer to have dinner.
>Anything that ties to ZSJL?
Iris mentions that she thinks she saw Barry a few years ago (the car crash) but that's it.
>Is Cyborg Mentioned?
Yes, he's one of the first people Barry tries to find but he hasn't fused with a motherbox yet.
It could go either way IMO.
Thanks, man. Would you say that he's got that unfortunate deepfake/uncanny valley CGI look that the leaked Reeve/Slater had in the leaked pic today? Or they actually filmed Cage in costume & you could tell, as the viewer, that he was on set?
Oh, I was wondering: is there a moment that shows Michael Keaton Batman being physically fricked up from the fight in Russia or an encounter with Zod (like battle damaged mode, in '89 & Returns, when his cowl is ripped or with blood on the face like in that church scene with Nicholson). Thank you!
>Yes, he's one of the first people Barry tries to find but he hasn't fused with a motherbox yet
Is Ray actually in the movie?
No. We see a photo of him playing football, but not of his face. It could be any black dude
He looks exactly like that
This part was cool. Should have used old footage for Christopher Reeve
kino
>spider
how "inside" is this reference?
It's a pretty well known story by now isn't it?
Nerds know the Kevin Smith story but do regular people? It probably works fine without the previous knowledge.
It's literally one of the only 3 things anyone knows about the actual movie
>Burton
>Cage
>Giant Robot Spider
So is this the Burtonverse's Superman, or a completely seperate Superman from the multiverse?
Separate Superman
Word is there was a Warner suit obsessed with seeing Superman fight a giant robot spider.
A robot spider was in Wild Wild West, so take that as you will.
>Warner suit obsessed with seeing Superman fight a giant robot spider.
That person your referring to would be Jon Peters
Also, check out Burton's concept art for Braniac.
I wouldn't say it's a big secret but looking on youtube it's been at least 12 years since Kevin Smith told the story. It was a funny thing at the time but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the sort of thing that's faded from a lot of peoples' memories. Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of younger kids or people who were kids at the time he told it didn't have any knowledge of it.
Kevin Smith says Jon Peters, a high-brow executive in WB, was super obsessed with certain things, namely spiders and polar bears. He wanted Superman to fight a spider and a polar bear, because they were the "toughest" killers in the animal kingdom.
Movie went breasts up, and the spider concept somewhat made it to the third act of Wild Wild West, which was produced by yes, Jon Peters.
Peters tried shoving that Spider EVERYWHERE in his projects.
It was even in his pitches for the unmade Sandman and Akira adaptations. His obsessions with giant spiders had to do with King Kong (but I can't say much, since I never watched the original film)
30 FRICKING YEARS
This is utterly bizarre
What's the narrative frame for this montage of random cameos? Is Flash just going through the speedforce or something and sees them all?
>What's the narrative frame for this montage of random cameos?
Anon, you know there isn't one
>What's the narrative frame for this montage of random cameos?
the narrative frame is "we want the MCU 'I understood that reference' basedboy hype"
>Is Flash just going through the speedforce or something and sees them all?
Well CW Flash did that
I CLAPPED AT THE THING I RECOGNIZE is the reference
Barry 2 keeps going back over and over in time to try to save Keaton and Supergirl, then Dark Flash shows up to stop Barry 1 from stopping Barry 2, and the entire multiverse starts collapsing and that's when we see the cameos
Well Superman fought the giant spider, but he was flying and in his normal outfit so I guess that executive won't like it.
https://kevin-smith.fandom.com/wiki/Superman_Lives
Does Henry Cavill's Superman physically appear?
How many Post Credit Scenes are there?
What role does Dark Flash Play?
Does it look like Ben Affleck Batman had scenes that were removed?
Anything that ties to ZSJL?
Is Cyborg Mentioned?
>Iris mentions that she thinks she saw Barry a few years ago (the car crash) but that's it.
You missed that Bruce and Barry talk about time travel and how Flash has already done it
>if you hate Ezra Miller you're not going to like this movie.
All I needed to here. Thanks OP.
Not exactly fair to not give the movie a chance even if you “hate” the actor.
I didn’t care for him going into it but I left respecting his ability as a performer
That's how I felt as well. He really sold the difference between both Barry's
Frick you, life isn’t fair/ I hate Ezra for using his connections and bussy to dodge the law so I’m not supporting his movie, simple as
Sounds incredibly petty and cringe to me and something you’d criticize a lefty for doing if they were doing it against a conservative actor
>projection
I never once brought up politics, SHILL. i’m talking about how he got away scott free with attacking people on camera like a schizo. Lock him up.
The people he attacked deserved it. Why white knight for some fat chick from Iceland and a Hawaii dude at a bar?
You’re the one white knighting for a hollywood wienersucker snowflake with messianic delusions lmao, did Ezra blow you too?
>Leftists can't help but cry when rightists finally wise up and play by the same rules as leftists
You can dish it out but you can't take it, eh homosexual?
The guy leaking over on Cinemaphile said there is a scene where Barry saves a baby by putting it in a microwave. Could you please elaborate on wtf Cinemaphileanon was talking about?
A high rise hospital is collapsing and about dozen babies are falling from the top floor window. Flash uses his superspeed to save all of them in slow motion, one way being that he put a baby in a falling microwave to protect it from a fire. It's...quite and stetch and weird that the babie wouldn't get hurt from that.
>Would you say that he's got that unfortunate deepfake/uncanny valley CGI look that the leaked Reeve/Slater had in the leaked pic today? Or they actually filmed Cage in costume & you could tell, as the viewer, that he was on set
It was very uncanny, you could tell it was CG Nick Cage. The entire scene of him fighting the Jon Peters spider was animated.
>Oh, I was wondering: is there a moment that shows Michael Keaton Batman being physically fricked up from the fight in Russia or an encounter with Zod
Yes, there was a cool scene towards the end where Keaton is fighting Nam-Ek with remote explosives.
>Keaton is fighting Nam-Ek
Who?
The huge Kryptonian from MoS that Superman fights in Smallville
Is he a green guy?
No bit he's the only Namek I know who isn't a jobber piece of shit
In the novel it was rumoured he was some kind of experiment into which they spliced Kryptonian dinosaur DNA into IIRC
So like
We can't DISPROVE the idea he might be green under the armour
He might even have feathers.
For you
>The guy leaking over on Cinemaphile said there is a scene where Barry saves a baby by putting it in a microwave. Could you please elaborate on wtf Cinemaphileanon was talking about?
>A high rise hospital is collapsing and about dozen babies are falling from the top floor window. Flash uses his superspeed to save all of them in slow motion, one way being that he put a baby in a falling microwave to protect it from a fire. It's...quite and stetch and weird that the babie wouldn't get hurt from that.
He's gonna take you back to the past
To when DC films didn't suck ass
mother of kino, this is probably the greatest capeshit movie of all time.
no grant gustin?
Not from what I saw.
There is another Flash though: [/spoiler]Jay Garrick[/spoiler]
I've seen the leak, it's Teddy Sears imposter Jay. Every decision made for this movie is baffling
Michael Rosenbaum?
learn2spoil
this from the movie?
Yes, that's toward the last 10 minutes.
You're right! Sorry about that.
I saw Adam West but I'm not sure about Ward.
Like anon said, stabbed by Zod. Once with help from Faora.
>I saw Adam West but I'm not sure about Ward.
50s TV Superman is also rumored. Did he make the final cut?
Yes
Why is lady gaga deepfaked as supergirl?
Oh my God that's so fricking bad
Looks like a video game.
I'm glad they kept the team that did the first DCAU Justice League opening around
Brandon Routh and that supergirl actor in the cw were right there…
same energy
Are Adam West and Burt ward on screen or is it just a voices cameo?
Adam west is very briefly. Seriously a lot has been said about how many cameos there are but it all lasts for about 3 minutes at most.
The same leaker anon on Cinemaphile who talked about the microwave baby also said that keatonbats dies permanently and it is stated that he is destined to always die at the hands of kryptonians . Is this true, and if it is, would you say it's handled with dignity
> Is this true, and if it is, would you say it's handled with dignity
It is true, and I think it was handled well with Keaton. His last words:
Barry: Don't give up! We can still bring you back, Batman!
Bruce: *smiles* You already did.
That sounds nice. While I'm here might as well ask a follow-up How does he die?
He Dies trying to fight Nam-Ek one on one. He does enough to knock him out for a bit but he's too badly hurt in the fight
Are you seriously telling me that Batman dies on Namek?
Frieza wasn't fricking around
It was the only way. He had to buy time for Gohan to get away with the Dragonballs.
The first time it's a sacrifice kamikaze into Zod's ship. The second time is from an extended fight with Nam-Ek.
I know, sorry! I made some spelling mistakes too.
>outisde of Wayne Manor, no
>Nope
>Bruce mentions Gotham is now the safest city ine world, so no
>No, the Snyderverse stays the same outside of having a new Bruce Wayne
>taken seriously until Wonder Cameo shows up and Batman says some funny lines while holding the lasso of truth.
Keaton Batman dies to some Kryptonian jobber
>This is the last time we'll see him
hahaha, frick this movie
You would have hated anything that happened
>some Kryptonian jobber
This is my favourite part of the Flash film which I don't think anyone else will acknowledge. You really feel how much of a massive threat the Kryptonians are and Zod doesn't job to Supergirl or Flash. The world really does need Superman
That guy was massive
gigachad
man of steel was awesome
Top tier fight scenes man
the only thing that gave me hope that maybe a live action dragon ball was possible.
the punches i saw, zod vs superman in IMAX high up in the dome
i thought i was shaking off
Is that all you care about? Because the non-action scenes are undeniably bad.
i mean true, i liked the whale scene, but most of the rest stuff was just :/
romance bad, general zod was sick asf
all of the krypton stuff was awesome as hell, all that tech
pa kent was awful
And the neck snap?
Meh, I don't have a problem with that, I'm okay with the killing
That's some lib bullshit, superman didn't do it happily, he cried, he's inexperienced, i get it
he had a choice, he killed the last member of his race, to save others, it's sad and beautiful
GENERAL ZOD'S CRAZY! lol
Micheal Shanon's awesome
Agreed, despite the flaws with the movie, I will always love it no matter what.
>Batgays consider him dying to Kryptonians jobbing
You can’t make this shit up lmao, who were you expecting to bring him down? Darkseid? The Anti-Monitor?
He was going to appear on the canned Batgirl movie.
>Kryptonian
>jobber
two things that are fricking wild in the same sentence, would it be better if he got clipped by a random fricking laser blast or something?
>I saw the Flash AMA
>Says Man of Steel was bad
So OP what's it like to be a massive homosexual?
I also saw it last night. I like Man of Steel. Flash shows that Superman is the only reason the world is still standing and it's a miracle Metropolis was only partially destroyed
Did Bat-Keaton hint towards the fate of Catwoman?
Is this from the movie?
what'dya think? post the whole scene
where's the full leak?
welp, that's the snyderverse, I'd like to say there were some thought-provoking ideas but like the movies, they end up being asolutely horrendous like Superman getting cucked.
so what makes anyone think Gunn will do any better?
the guardians movies are bottom of the barrel comedies btw. no comic book fan gets anything out of them.
Is Burtonverse Gotham City actually shown?
Are the events of the Batman 89 comic hinted at?
Do either Joker, Vicki Vale, Catwoman, Penguin get mentioned.?
Is the Snyderverse actually erased?
Is Batfleck taken seriously or played for laughs?
No
No
No
No
Seriously. Just one joke with Wonder Woman's lasso
Does batfleck really say
>If I really wanted to help crime I'd donate to the poor. Stopping poverty stops crime!
when under the lasso of truth?
Yes. Flash also says "I know what sex is but I've never had it"
Welp, it's gonna be a fun day online when it releases.
I just remember him saying he's too arrogant to thank anyone
Q: COOMER
POWER
LEVEL?
Is it true Keaton Batman isn’t the actual one from the Burton films or am I wrong?
It doesn't say outright one way or the other. If it is then that means Burton's universe was destined to be destroyed by Zod though
He can't be, because Ezra fricks the main timeline so that he has somehow always existed in place of Batfleck
Do we get Adam West Batman?
Yes but very briefly
>if you hate Ezra Miller you're not going to like this movie.
I could never get past this first step.well said.
>It’s literally just Batman memberberries feat. DAMAGED Ezra
Lmao, what they were thinking?
how lost will I be if I watch this and haven't seen most other films that are referenced?
I've seen the most bat films and like one or two superman films, that's it
You'll be fine.
bless
You won't be lost. At best you may need to watch the Flash scenes from ZSJL if you want more background information on the Flash's dad's trial, him traveling back in time, and meeting Iris West.
>Thank you for taking the time to respond. Question: do they ever explain or refer to Batman's Hall of Armor in any interesting contextual way (besides a few seconds that we saw in trailers & promos)?
No, not really. A photo of Bruce's family is the locking mechanism to his Hall of Armor. He does give Old Barry a spare suit for protection when he's trying to get his powers back, and then that suit is repurposed by Young Barry as his Flash costume
Oof, first the lack of Batmobile in action & now the waste of his armors on screen (instead of wasting $$$ on CGI cameos, could've told a compact visual story about his mini-adventures in a dope flashback or smth like that while using Keaton & not dead ghosts)...
Feels like they will follow the way of the old Lucasfilm & try to expand upon it in some kind of comic book tie-in by Joe Quinones (he was the one who had a hand in designing those outfits).
>first the lack of Batmobile in action
Wait, he doesn't use the Batmobile? the frick!
>Zod and Faora barely do anything and just remind you how bad Man of Steel was
>how bad Man of Steel was
Man of Steel was a piece of shit.
right
>Michael Keaton for the short amount of time he's there is also fantastic
Wtf, all the trailers and promos are making him look like a second main character
Bro, you dense? The trailer reeks of desperation, practically screaming MEMBER BATMAN? as if it;s not even a Flash movie
Does Xochitl whatever his last name appears in the movie? Because she was in the red carpet yesterday.
is it true he wears women's clothes in one scene?
Thank you for taking the time to respond. Question: do they ever explain or refer to Batman's Hall of Armor in any interesting contextual way (besides a few seconds that we saw in trailers & promos)?
Since it seems the movie its just an MCU movie with DC characters, chances are, Its just gonna be a ''wink wink, nudge nudge, please laugh punchline'' if at all.
why make movies like this if you want nostalgia ? why don't just make movies with the old technology and cgi ?
It's "per se" not per say, you gay and you're using that term incorrectly, you lying gay.
Yeah I spelled it wrong, sorry. And what am I lying about?
How exactly does Nora living sabotage Superman so hard the Kryptonian invasion succeeds?
Because Barry tempered with the timeline to prevent his mom's death, he got immersed into another world where his parents live but the events of Man of Steel (specifically the prologue) took a drastic turn & Zod succeeded in killing baby Kal-El but it wasn't the move that brought him what he desired (the codex) & that's where Kara comes in.
How do you explain Keaton Batman?
Again, due to his messing with the timeline, there's no Justice League the way he knew them in his own timeline (Victor didn't become Cyborg, Aquaman & Wonder Woman don't exist) & the Batman of this world (where Nora lives) is Michael Keaton, not Batfleck. This is the realm where young Barry lives with his parents.
That sounds like an asspull. This is why I dislike shit like this, the Dr. Strange What If? episode and the muh canon crap in Across the Spider-Verse, instead of there being a logical reason why Man of Steel takes a drastic turn it only happens like that because the writer wanted it to.
And they can handwave Kara landing on Earth thousands of years in the past in the main timeline by just going "wrong timeline lmao"
>some random woman who doesn't even know Kryptonians exist lives
>Zod kills baby Kal, maybe even on another planet
???
It's a metaphor for 'Baby Hitler' but done from Zod's perspective. He thought that he was killing the last remnant of his kind & getting what he wanted the most but instead the codex is ingrained into Kara - because she's the chosen one of this world. It is what is is, strong female empowerment meets an absence of logic & coherence but, hey, that's modern Hollywood for you where hacks keep protesting against big corps while WRITING the SHIT that makes ZERO sense & rapes/undoes all that's good about DC Comics & its heroes (this could be applied to any other iconic franchise tbqh).
This is the same shit comics have done for decades.
Is Zoom in the movie?
Unfortunately, no.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_4e2Ma-VSYE
why isn't Ezra being ostracized by his castmates? didn't he kidnap and terrorize Hawaii?
Considering Hollywood is full of actual satanists and child rapists, Ezra is small time.
What’s happen to Batfleck?
By the films own rules he should still exist in the original universe Barry comes from.
So he still exists but Barry lands into the Clooney Verse instead?
Yeah. So the door is closed on Affleck but they can always open it in the future if he wanted to come back
Poor James Gunn, man. Warner keeps shooting their own foot and releasing stinker after strinker before he can even launch his new universe. Flash and Aquaman 2 will destroy what's remaining of the brand before he can even gets his hand on it.
I cannot believe how we went from Christopher Nolan to freaking Zack Snyder (doesn't know shit about comics, and only ever read Dark Knight Returns, 300 and Watchmen) who effectively killed the universe before it even began with two horrible movies Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman and then came Walter Hamada who was trying to make movies with humor and scripts you would expect from the lowest MCU movies.
It baffles me that nobody at DC after seeing those movies say: "Guys, what the frick are we doing here? We need to stop and think about what the hell is going on."
>baffles me that nobody at DC after seeing those movies say: "Guys, what the frick are we doing here? We need to stop and think about what the hell is going on."
Well Gunn has said exactly that.
I'm just baffled he decided to work for WB at all. Did he not see how Snyder was treated? Did he not see the writing on the wall after Justice League was put through the wringer with reshoots? He had a pretty good thing going at the MCU, not saying his work was flawless but he definitely seemed to know what he was doing at least.
What the hell did they offer to pay him?
Did you forget that Disney fired Gunn and it was WB that gave him a job?
He got more control over his movies with WB than Disney.
Disney has infinite money, WB doesn't.
Disney also has most directors on a leash
WB don't
>WB don't
Did you just forget every DCEU director except James Wan hates Warner Bros for meddling with their films?
James Gunn in comparison said he never got restricted in what he could do in his Guardians films.
The same can be said about Disney and the MCU shill
It really can't, MCU directors have had way more freedom overall besides some outliers like Edgar Wright. Meanwhile at the DCEU there's 10+ directors that hate the studios' guts and will never work with them again due to the headache of having their visions compromised.
>Disney has infinite money,
lol no they don't. They're having their own issues. Every Disney film but GOTG could very well be flops this year
I don't think Nolan really liked comics either but yeah
Nolan was never into comics, but he and his brother, Jonatan Nolan, grew up watching Batman and his brother is a huge, huge, huge Batman fan and helped him not only write the screenplay but also gave him some Batman books that he had (Year One, Man Who Falls, Long Halloween, Killing Joke, etc) and Nolan read them all.
They also sent David S Goyer to help him out since he is basically a Bat-google who basically knows everything about Batman.
Snyder not only hated comic books but he also read the wrong material, he read Dark Knight Returns, Death of Superman, 300 and Watchmen, that's it, that's everything he read regarding DC Comics because he think the rest sucked and was not dark enough. How can you hire someone this pretencious? He and Nolan literally argued on set for hours because of the controversial "neck-breaking" scene on MoS, Nolan wanted to cut it out and Snyder was insisting that he should let the scene stay in the movie.
I really wish there was a transcript of that argument.
>Zach, don't you it's out of character for Superman to suddenly and violently snap a man's neck in cold blood? Especially when he already has him restrained?
>Chris, it's a SACRIFICE!
>Think of the audience reactions!
>I am! Nobody complained when Superman killed in the older movies, and kids LOVE Optimus Prime! The guy who can't go one movie without taking a face off a Decepticon!
>How can you hire someone this pretencious? He and Nolan literally argued on set for hours because of the controversial "neck-breaking" scene on MoS, Nolan wanted to cut it out and Snyder was insisting that he should let the scene stay in the movie.
The problem with the neck-breaking scene is that it's unearned and Snyder's attempt to make it something kind of agonizing choice for Superman makes no sense. Clark at this point only knows Zod as a total butthole who attempted to genocide his adoptive home and also killed his dad. He also has no hangups about killing that are shown or implied. Why the frick is he then so cut up about putting down this murderous wanker? It's not like Snyder even follows through on it since Superman is totally fine like 5 minutes later in the movie and Batman v. Superman never brings it up again. It's a pointless, edgy addition. It sums up Snyder's film-making style to a tee where he thinks of cool scenes and then builds a plot around them. He even admits as much in the BTS for Man of Steel where he talks about how he envisioned the Superman gets thrown into a bank vault door scene as one of the first when he got the gig and worked from there.
Because the weight of what he's done in that moment. It's no different from someone being upset they accidently hurt someone with a firearm even in self defense.
That shit can hit you like a tone of bricks when it catches up to you.
If Cavill didn't snap Zod's neck, he would just be sucked into that black hole thing like the rest
But people would rightly complain about everything else like the destruction of Metropolis and Smallville and stop my invincible son
It should have been reworked so that Zod was sucked into the Phantom Zone as the human general's heroic sacrifice. He opens the portal, Superman pushes Zod in - taking the general with him. Makes it a moment of loss where Superman couldn't save anyone, and learns a painful lesson that spurs him to become wiser, and never allow himself to let others be hurt on his behalf.
You’ve could’ve atleast picked actors who were, you know alive?
What happened with Zack Snyder was simple:
- They wanted Nolan to direct their new DCEU, Nolan refuses because he doesn't give a shit about comic book movies and only made the Dark Knight Trilogy as a bargain chip to get his other projects funded, like Inception.
- They started to look for potential new heads for the DCEU, they talked with Morisson, Geoff Johns and Brad Meltzer, before going with Zack Snyder which was personally recommended by Christopher Nolan (they are very close friends)
- Zack Snyder doesn't know shit about comics and makes two bad movies who not only tanked on the box office but it also effectively killed the brand for general audiences and most of the fans. Warner starts to get worried.
- He is 90% done with his third movie, Justice League, when his daughter dies and he has to leave the project to grief and to take care of her funeral and stuff. DC says that he should no worry that they will hire someone to finish the movie for him. Then, they test the movie with selected test audiences, and the feedback was that the movie was "borderline unwatchable" which makes them lose their absolute shit in panic since this was their most expensive project ever.
- They hire Joss Whedom, the director of the Avengers movie. And tell him to transform the footage that Snyder filmed into something similar to the MCU because apparentely that's what people wanted after so many depressing Snyder movies. They paid him not only a handsome amount of money but they also said he could have a shot directing their future Batgirl movie. He accepts and started working on the Justice League.
- Snyder hears that they are doing re-shoots and resigns from the company in protest.
- The movie comes out and it's even worse than what Snyder had in mind.
Yes, DC did a real shit thing with Snyder, but can you blame them? They were trying to save their brand.
Don't forget that Whedon got cancelled in the midst of all this.
>Yes, DC did a real shit thing with Snyder, but can you blame them? They were trying to save their brand.
Why yes, I absolutely can blame them because companies attempting drastic changes to "save their brand" instead of seeing the director's vision through, however controversial, coincidentally tend to consistently create bad products.
Imagine if the Underworld series was made today and someone got their knickers in a twist because it was "too dark" and test audiences felt "intimidated" by the vampire lady with guns. Turning Selene into a quippy beatboxing zoomer is not how you save Underworld as a franchise, looking at what people liked about the first film and carrying over a natural progression of events that lead to the new elements is.
But test audiences literally said Snyder's version was awfull. At least they tried to save the movie. They failed, of course, but they tried.
Considering how vocal the Snyder fandom is, I have to wonder at a certain point if test audiences themselves aren't the problem here. Not a fan of Snyder myself, I'm just saying that whether we like it or not there is a significant market of people who do like what he's selling-and WB alienated them when they were probably thepeople with the most faith in the DCEU brand.
Nobody likes a blatant knockoff of a popular thing.
>>I'm just saying that whether we like it or not there is a significant market of people who do like what he's selling-and WB alienated them when they were probably thepeople with the most faith in the DCEU brand.
And WB should seriously consider letting The Snyderverse continue as an Elseworlds because those fans put their money where there mouths are.
>Those fans put their money where there mouths are.
Not really.
>effectively killed the brand for general audiences and most of the fans. Warner starts to get worried.
Are you homosexuals still obsessed over a movie that's almost 10 years old?
Are you going to blame it for when you get aids for paying a dollar hooker?
>- They hire Joss Whedom, the director of the Avengers movie. And tell him to transform the footage that Snyder filmed into something similar to the MCU because apparentely that's what people wanted after so many depressing Snyder movies. They paid him not only a handsome amount of money but they also said he could have a shot directing their future Batgirl movie. He accepts and started working on the Justice League.
Also the 3 hours movie had to be cut down to 2 hours long and release on a specific date so they would get their bonuses. These requirements are what caused Whedom a huge number of problems since he had to have the movie make sense while cutting a third of it and had very little time to get everything done.
>Why yes, I absolutely can blame them because companies attempting drastic changes to "save their brand" instead of seeing the director's vision through, however controversial, coincidentally tend to consistently create bad products.
You know what else "consistently creates bad products"? It's "seeing the director's vision through" when the test audiences say it's terrible.
>Considering how vocal the Snyder fandom is, I have to wonder at a certain point if test audiences themselves aren't the problem here.
Given that the Synder cut didn't save WB I'd have to say these fans are a minority.
>Also the 3 hours movie had to be cut down to 2 hours long and release on a specific date so they would get their bonuses.
I actually think Whedon did a decent job cutting down Snyder's Justice League to a more acceptable 2 hours while keeping the same beats. I remember watching the Snyder Cut and struggling to pin-point what exactly was so radically different about it because it seemed like the same movie but with extra bloat. The main plot was identical. I have yet to have a single fan of the Snyder Cut explains to me what it exactly makes it so much better than Whedon's version because aside from giving Cyborg some extra mopey backstory, there isn't much substance there. I can totally see why WB put their foot down because this shit was absolutely not worth 2 movies as Snyder planned and he desperately needs someone to knock his ego down a few pegs.
This. Getting Nolan involved in the first place was a mistake.
what even is this movie lmao it's like a living shitpost I kinda love it already
https://streamable.com/ker4y5
Just share the full damn movie already
I don't have it sorry, my gay friend sent that part to me
Im starting to think that Snyder fans were right about this movie.
In what way?
Is this a frickin' joke? All you hear about is how directors for Kevin Feige barely have any control. Frick Kool-Aid are you drinking?
>Is this a frickin' joke? All you hear about is how directors for Kevin Feige barely have any control. Frick Kool-Aid are you drinking?
The $0¥ flavored one
>All you hear about is how directors for Kevin Feige barely have any control
No directors ever talked about that besides Wright
Patty Jenkins did. Also a lot of actresses like Natalie Portman and Scarlett Johannson did it too.
>Scarlett Johannson
>https://thedirect.com/article/scarlett-johansson-marvel-project-new
You didn't see any articles in the past few years?
Heard that the guy who Luke Brandon Field plays is Alberto Falcone(or an interp of him???), is this the case or nah
>Flash is the worst part of his own movie.
That's unsurprising and yet somehow still disappointing.
confirmed for having not watched it because he's actually the best part of it, surprisingly emotional performance
Thank goodness I don't give a shit about most DC media output and The Flash. This would be my 9/11 if this was about Spider-Man
What did you think of the TASMs which got plenty of anti-hype and shit here?
You didnt pay for it did you
Also just saw it, what a weird fricking flick. The start and climactic battle were atrocious but the ending with Barry's parents was touching. Middle was passable, even funny in places.
Why would you do that to yourself
this, you should have gone with my wife's son to see Spider-Verse another time
Okay, what's the ending of the movie like?
How does Nam-Ek kill Michael Keaton Batman?
Jesus that bad?
Yup. He gets wrecked, hard.
This was Barry’s second attempt at getting him back?
Pretty much.
>Zod and Faora barely do anything
That's a pro, though
yep people spent months dunking on this movie as "it's a cameofest not an actual Flash movie" and then lo and behold it's actually indeed a Flash movie so they move the goalposts again lmao
Do any Batman rogues appear?
No, you get only one reference to Nicholson’s Joker & that’s it.
So Keaton is wasted.......frick you
Totally wasted, it’s half-Jake Skywalker, half-character assassination & 0.1% of him actually being a badass in the worst Batman costume of the Burtonverse. The director is openly pro-shitty revisionism/deconstruction (akin to the Last Jedi) & isn’t ashamed of hermitizing Keats: https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/how-the-flash-revived-michael-keaton-batman/
Oh, so its fricking shit, frick all the damage controllers who claimed that KEATON IS LE ONLY GUD THING ABOOT DAH MOBEE
His whole 'arc' & 'interaction' with others in the Flash is le pic-related meme personified.
Flash is the best thing about the movie believe it or not
That says more about the movie than it does Flash.
Go away Ezra.
a crime family person in the dceu stuff of the movie(a falcone i think)
Do any of the Rogues get a mention?
Nope
You get OC Dounut Steel Dark Flash
Just got out from the movie. By far the weirdest scene is the one where BatKeaton explains the mechanism behind the timeline change and the multiverse. Like what the frick, why does he know this stuff?
https://www.cinemablend.com/interviews/the-flash-director-teases-why-michael-keatons-bruce-wayne-quit-being-batman-in-his-universe - apparently, there’s a deleted scene that will low-key address how Keats is aware of that spaghetti paradox stuff
He's Batman
I could absolutely see an older Batman familiar with time travel shenanigans. Like when Jonah Hex just sized up the JL in that one JLU episode and said something along the lines of "time travelers... I've been around."
It's been what? 30 years? He's probably had some adventures involving it at some point.
So just so I'm clear here, is it:
>The movie rewrites reality to explain some of the actor changes
or
>Barry goes to a whole different universe where the new actors are and the DCEU is going to be in this one now
To be honest, I don't think even they know. I feel like it was initially planned to be a Flashpoint style thing where anything that ends up being changed later on is justified by it, but they also planned on keeping Supergirl and Keaton around and we saw what happened there.
Honestly it probably doesn't matter. Ezra being kept away from any and all promotional stuff shows just exactly how much faith WB has. Unless this somehow makes billions, Ezra's probably out.
>Ezra being kept away from any and all promotional stuff
but they were just at the premiere last night
They also gave a speech: https://streamable.com/7oiey8
Why does his flash suit looks like one of those porn suits
The suit looks really hot here. Looked like crap in a lot of the promos.
He. Ezra Miller is a man. Quit enabling his mental illness.
>when you're on your way to the premiere but you get caught on some seaweed
I don't get why so many women dress like this at these events
Just obnoxious
give her some credit, if she has some thousand island dressing in her purse, her dress will make a nice if crunchy movie snack
Clothing is competitive one-ups-manship for the ladies, they do it at derbies, galas, parties you name it. It's like guys seeing who can piss further or physical dares. You won't ever understand it.
>no Keaton
Keaton is in London filming Beetlejuice 2
Keaton is Based! Looks great in UK & doesn't give a flying frick!
this
Winona Ryder is still alive?
Isn't that supposed to take place in Hawaii, though?
More like Barry gets stranded on a new universe.
Barry goes back in time, changes the past, then goes to the more recent past circa Man of Steel and meets himself
But then the timeline is fricked and so different people exist in it now, including people from different universes in at least a meta sense, but more like different timelines in practice
Then he undoes his original change but his timeline is not completely unfricked
Damn, the flash was THAT bad?
It's about to flop which is why WB is crawling back to their old talent that they pissed off
They should be crawling back to Zack Snyder as well due to his friendship with Christopher Nolan.
They already did and ZSJL ended up losing them more money lmao
Because it wasn't released in theaters. Besides it apparently did very good internationally.
>They should be crawling back to Zack Snyder
"Please Zack, frick up another movie - we'll do anything"
its just a shitty version of flash point, just replace thomas wayne as edgy batman, with keaton as old batman because nostalgia
Is it true Keaton Batman sacrifices himself for nothing?
He's trying to take out Zod's ship but it doesn't work. Flash reverses time to stop him he then dies fighting Nam-Ek
The way he took down Nam-Ek reminds me how he took down Zangieff in Batman Returns.
Especially during the 1st death where he kamikaze-s himself into Zod's craft. The second death is also pretty stupid since this isn't a 'prep time' Batman, this is down on his luck, low on tricks Batman facing against a FRICKING GARGANTUAN KRYPTONIAN BANE-LIKE NAM-EK. Pathetic way to go (& it's shot terribly visual so it's not like you could direct a noble death in a CGI/VFX-heavy broad daylight).
>The second death is also pretty stupid since this isn't a 'prep time' Batman, this is down on his luck, low on tricks Batman facing against a FRICKING GARGANTUAN KRYPTONIAN BANE-LIKE NAM-EK.
I must be in the minority in thinking this is a good thing. Batman shouldn't be able to beat Kryptonians especially without prior knowledge and no Kryptonite. The whole battle in the desert is supposed to show that they have no chance of winning no matter what they do
My main issue here is... it doesn't matter, this film, all of it, nothing matters anymore. It's just fricking sad that my childhood hero jobs to & dies against some forgettable grey-trash Snyderverse CGI of a non-character from an abhorrent Man of Steel flick (instead of an actual character actor/badguy like, for example, Chris Walken & Jack Nicholson in the past) in a non-Burton setting that takes place during the day where his death is shot like a PS2-tier video game with everything that he utters sounding like a 'death scene' cliche phrase that we've heard & seen many times before in movies & done much better.
It's all wrong & nothing is going to change that because they've already committed the crime of wasting Keaton's precious time on this turd.
You tought the SJWs wasting off Han Soll was bad, trust me, they aint gonna stop.
The message of the movie is to let go of the past.
The good times will never return. Tomboy e-girls will never be Made again.
Congrats man. You are already subverted.
Nam-Ek vs Michael Keaton Batman
Also they play him for laughs when he is hobo like and he acts OoC too
A waste of a good actor & a bloody stain on his reputation that is now tarnished due to the association with the Flash.
Wild guess, they had him at gun point, and the gun is Cancel Culture and the Whisper Network, and he is too old therefore boomer to fight back.
Heh, I think it was all down to a huge WB truck delivering loads & loads of $$$ & gold bars to his stately Wayne, excuse me, stately Montana ranch.
I heard it was the opposite. I heard he wouldn't promote the film unless Beetlejuice 2 got made.
At least the Batgirl movie got canned. He really didn't need to be in two bombs as Batman.
After seeing the Flash, I wholeheartedly agree. This was so unsalvageable & damaging to the Burton-era Batman (as a character), that any thought of seeing him on the big screen as Batman again (even if it's Burton) or in a cancelled Batgirl - should be immediately discarded due to how bad they massacred him in this trash & the fact that we truly live in a worst timeline imaginable, where even a legit good actor from the 80's breaks down under the enormous pressure of this rotten deepfake-infested machinery of Hell.
Why he looked like Alan Moore?
Because that's how former 80's heroes should look when they come back for their demise in 21st Century Hollyweird (i.e. the Last Jedi). Watch how some cook on YouTube with thousands of followers spins Keaton's look in the Flash out of proportion & ties it to his visual in 1991 storyline 'Batman: Venom' because (they read the comics, they totally homaged it, y'all!) Sickening time to be a fan of anything...
Superman at Earth's End did it first
>Superman at Earth's End did it first
Anon, I...
Superman: At Earth's End came out in 1995.
Batman: Venom came out in 1991.
>Two Ezras
They/them finally makes sense
- oh nonononono, why did they put heavy CGI all over his face in this shot if he was actually on set & present? Couldn't they have filmed it literally from any other angle or do an appropriate close-up shot... amateurs & hacks.
>oh nonononono, why did they put heavy CGI all over his face in this shot if he was actually on set & present?
MAYBE HE HAD FACIAL HAIR!
>MoS
>bad
Opinion discarded. Bet you liked James Gunn’s pedoverse
Pajeet my son....
>Pajeet my son
I gotta give it to Snyder, the way he showed Barry's powers through competent CGI (that reverse trick was really well executed & showcased) & treated his personality in the Snyder Cut (allowing Miller to speak when necessary & maneuvering his ADHD) is 1000 times better than the entire first act of the Flash where nothing makes sense, his powers are ridiculous (borderline vidya/camp), Ezra is let loose (he will win the Golden Raspberry Award for sure) & his brand of cringe humor doesn't work from the very first frame of the flick & you will be forced to endure it.
If you thought Snyder was autistic, wait till you see Andy Muschietti's treatment of the character, his misunderstanding of CGI/VFX (not just the cameos - but all of the effects have an uncanny valley look to them, it's a much bigger problem) & the overall 'misdirection' - it makes Snyder look like he's a genius filmmaker.
A 'can of tomatoes' will become the new 'Martha' of this generation, as well as a 'floating Flash head' that could rival son of Heimdal''s head in Love & Thunder!
None of you are ready for this shitshow... this is not just one of the worst CBM's of the year 2023... this is one of the worst CBM's period, making Batman & Robin from 1997 look like Citizen Kane. Now, as the Flash in the film said himself: "I have to shit!"
I use that brand for my pizza sauce. Good stuff. Would save my dad with it.
Make sure they capture you getting the sauce in the store on CCTV, it might be really important plot point in your life's narrative /;D
>throw can at camera
got it
nah, I like Snyder's stuff but Flash was a much better use of Ezra, physical comedy is clearly his strong-point and they used that to an advantage in a way that Snyder's jokes never did
I think folks will be really split on that one. I'm not even a Snyder cultist (just want good story, good character development, good use of special effects & good score) but his direction & CGI when it came to the Flash were superb. Sure, his running was a bit awkward but it didn't look like a PS2 video game. Also, I never wanted to see a naked Ezra Miller (I thought that comic tie-in controversy was a gag or a bad joke) & the director forced that monstrosity down my throat for 3 minutes of screen time because he obviously has a fetish for Ezra or some sad shit.
Anyway, this film is a trainwreck of massive proportions (think Wild Wild West) & Steven King, Tom Cruise, James Gunn & other WB shills should commit seppuku for trying to brainwash people all over the world with their filthy lies.
The director drew this himself
He's in love with Ezra. Why else would he include a scene like this?
Ezra is ready to assault women and children.
keep your fantasies and diary entries to yourself anon
Dilate shill. Ezra is a violent degenerate freak
>telling someone else to dilate when you're the one who's triggered
Shills ALWAYS respond
>doesn't deny being a shill
God you WB shills are the worst
>JoJo Flash
It has begun...
Dafaq is this?! lol
That's what awaits the viewers on June 16th. It's the new 'Love & Thunder' but now for DC fans.
watching the camrip right now its ass lol
Link to camrip??
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
link, please, just fricking end us all
>They actually poke fun at the shitty run
heh
If you squint long enough (after a few pints), you'll see two Barrys & one Supergirl cup.
I don't get it
Why were so many people saying Keaton's Batman goes out like a punk against Nam Ek? He literally wins
Namek then stands up after Batman dies.
There is just no physics at all in any of this is there?
How tf does Michael Keatons batman wins against Nam-Ek by just using explosives?!?
BAT OF MURDER
BAT OF MURDER
BAT OF MURDER
requesting one of when Keaton beats the crap out of Barry's with the frying pans
Every clip of this movie looks like Indian Youtube clickbait or an actual shitpost. Keaton/Burton Batman deserved better. Craft services deserved better.
batfleck got more respect from this film than keaton
its crazy
I don't know if I would've put it that way... respect how? His costume was terrible, his chase scene in broad daylight was so slow & shallow, the CGI on his face was awful, the fact that he had such a hard time apprehending a bunch of hoodlums was unacceptable (& that it was Wonder Woman, not him, who got the job done), that wooden dialogue delivery didn't help, those terrible OOC quips about 'le poveretta in society' were just criminal, his conversation with Barry was predictable & uneventful, a cliche...
In all honesty, I feel that this is Batfleck at his absolute worst (almost on the same level of bad as Josstice League), I have no idea what Benewas smoking or yapping about when he said that those 5 minutes of screen time were his best amongst the films that he starred in as Bruce/Batman.
Like in case of Keaton, a truly devastating sendoff for his iteration of the Dark Knight. You can't recover from something of that nature & scale. Pic very much related.
nah. he singlehandedly takes out some terrorists then gives Barry life advice.
he's the only voice of reason in the movie
>I have no idea what Benewas smoking or yapping about when he said that those 5 minutes of screen time were his best amongst the films that he starred in as Bruce/Batman.
Simple, PR, and NDAs
Man of steel was good though
How does a sappy CW show manage to be better than a big-budget movie anyway?
They understand they're sappy, I think. Didn't watch much of it to be honest so not sure how much they leaned in to it.
Better VFX too.
Helps when even a lower budget show and vfx studio has time and actually puts effort into their scenes.
Also doesn't help when a film has so many reshoots and is in development hell for years.
>many reshoots
It didn't though
Odd he looked More like Doomsday than Doomsday.
is not hard to be better than these movies
Superman's dad died because of a dog.
Flash's mom died because of tomatoes
Post more scenes with kryptonian tomboy
It’s hilarious to see Man of steel, a 10 year old film from 2013 has better CGI than the new Flash movie that’s coming out
"We didn't want to give the audience a literal adaptation of the comic book. I think that's one of the good decisions that we made" (Andy Muschietti).
This recent quote sort of represents the snobbery & sheer arrogance on the behalf of this necrophilic-digging WB Mousketeer. Frick him & I hope he NEVER gets his hands on another film featuring Batman again (the Brave & the Bold). WB & Gunn shouldn't reward this fricking moron for creating a 2-hour abomination.
>I hope he NEVER gets his hands on another film featuring Batman again (the Brave & the Bold).
Reportedly Andy is on the Top of the list of Directing TBATB so there’s that
https://theplaylist.net/batman-the-brave-and-the-bold-andy-muschietti-20230608/
If they go with that choice - they will pay dearly for that mistake, it will be panned & forgotten the second it premieres in theaters. It will cost WB more $$$ & Gunn's DC Studios will be closed down.
>"We didn't want to give the audience a literal adaptation of the comic book"
Adaption is more of a manga thing.
adaptations are for cucks, i can just read the original give me something new.
So in this movie it's all Barry's fault right? He tries to change the past, save his mom and the multiverse gets fricked because of it?
He saves his mom by just Tomato sauce resulting in the whole universe being fricked with Zod I think
The type of 'flick' that makes you feel repulsed & disgusted by seeing spaghetti & pasta (an impossible task if you're really into Italian cuisine).
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!
this is hilarious
especially considering DC recalled a comic and pulped it for having a baby in a microwave
You just know someone at Hollywood did that
>Ken Penders Knuckles
I don't think even meming this shit to make fun of it is worth it
but I got nothing better to do
good god man have you no self respect
IN THEORY the way they had the different movie "worlds" look like balls of film strips was a decent idea.
Too bad the movie is a piece of shit and it's done in such a half assed way.
What would they THINKING?!
This movie was filmed before Ezra was falsely accused of child endangerment
Just watched this. Why was there a Nespresso ad at the end?
WB needs money back.
Random thoughts
>Much more of an actual Flash movie than I anticipated
>Supergirl and Batman '89 was WAY overhyped for how much they're actually there
>89 boomers are probably going to be straight up ass blasted
>Wish there was something from Nolanverse, John Blake Batman would have been cool
>Ezra grew on me a little but I still don't think he's right as Flash
>Having a israelite play a latino made me kek
>Most of the movie is fine, not the earth shattering thing they were hyping it as
>Couldn't shake the feeling of pointlessness because none of that shit is ever going to go anywhere
alright/10
and Batman '89 was WAY overhyped for how much they're actually there
That's the problem. It was half assed and pretty much an after thought.
>>89 boomers are probably going to be straight up ass blasted
Considering the marketing focused on him, I can't blame them. I thought it was pretty lame to bring back Keaton as Batman in 2023 for a fricking Flash movie of all things.
Damn all this product placement in films...
I hope there's a dental implant ad for when Ezra's tooth falls out.
While not great, it was definitely better than the old DC regimes plan. Supergirl is a charisma void, there is no way she could have carried the DCEU.
I know a guy who is obsessed with Batman '89 and I can't wait to see the atmospheric levels of rage he's going to have over this movie.
>While not great, it was definitely better than the old DC regimes plan. Supergirl is a charisma void, there is no way she could have carried the DCEU.
It's kind of appalling how post-Whedon JL, pre-Zaslav WB just fricked shit up on an astronomical level
Like for all my problems with Zaslav he made the right move to kick everyone or nearly everyone involved at the top in the prior regime out
Hamada's plan sucked. Turning DCEU into Marvel-lite was moronic. They unironically should've let Snyder finish his JL trilogy and then reboot fresh.
I know, I'm saying Zaslav did the right thing pushing Hamada out