I still cannot understand how the sequel trilogy ended up like it did
I simply cannot understand how it wasn't planned out properly by such a gigantic company
I cannot fathom why they thought a Hans Solo movie would be more crucial to make than an Obi Wan movie.
It's because
LoGH > anything Star Wars
Like LoGH but the series aren't even comparable. Star Wars is an alien filled all ages sci fantasy, and LoGH is a serious bittersweet speculative sci fi.
But would LOGH exist without Star Wars?
The books are just WW2 in space. Star Wars clearly inspired the visual direction of the series though.
TLJ fricked Solo
Because they put a woman in charge at Lucasfilm, who in turn hired more women, based solely on the fact that they were women. Then she hired the most beta of beta males should could to direct the shit show outline she wanted the writers to make.
It was literally supposed to be the exact same shit as the original trilogy, just with feminist and leftist ideologies included.
/thread
dumb prostitutes and the woke ideology that brought them into the writing team and executive positions ruined star wars and many other things in life
>dumb prostitutes and the woke ideology that brought them into the writing team and executive positions ruined...
Entertainment. It's all infected now. Every comic character has been turned into a homosexual. Every film has terrible casting because they're trying to check boxes instead of being realistic or hiring for talent. Everything is designed to push leftist ideology that nobody wants to hear.
It's all shit now.
They did to entertainment what the WNBA did to basketball. Make it a resounding joke.
The "wokeness" of the new Star Wars movies are the least of its problems. It's like all three of them were written at the exact same time by three different people sitting in three different rooms.
Nice analogy fren. It's like someone in Lost is having a fever dream.
That's pretty much what happened. They may as well have done an anthology series like Vision but in live action.
Have the whole Rey/Kylo story be it's own seperate thing. Have the stormtrooper turned rebel be his own thing. And so on and so forth. And tell those stories with a consistent beginning middle and end. While introducing other arcs and characters that wouldn't be weighed down by the importance of others.
no, it's the entire reason. keep coping
It's not, because then, the reaction across the board wouldn't have been as lackluster.
Normies don't care about that shit as long as the storytelling is good.
And most people didn't have a problem with TFA as a beginning of the trilogy, because while it was a rehash of an OT film, it still created various set ups that could then be explored. It created a (literal) cliffhanger at the end, and people were hyped that Star Wars is back. And then the mess proceeded to unfold itself.
stop talking, chief. people have retroactively acknowledged tfa as being garbage. star schwartz fans were in denial that tfa was a soft reboot and were sure they had the empire strikes back to look forward to. when that didn't happen and they got tlj instead it made the backlash so much worse. tfa was diversity hire, feminist garbage and the same story that was already told before in the original trilogy. gb2r
i hate moralgays so much its unreal
This. They spent more time bragging about how many women and minority lesbians were involved with the film than actually making said film. It's embarrassing and makes women look stupid.
dont forget inclusion for the sake of inclusion
There was a certain level of cargo cultism going on, of the new monkey writers looking at the original movies, completely misunderstanding how they worked, or why they worked, and just copying very surface level elements.
Kathleen Kennedy was more interested in hiring political allies than anyone with basic competency, so the problems weren't identified until it was too late. There's a lesson there, probably.
>There's a lesson there, probably.
women shouldn't be writers
>There's a lesson there, probably.
Yes...stop hiring women.
it's pretty simple, they went for a "soft reboot" and pissed away any hope of developing star wars beyond being a shitty theme park ride with no substance.
then the TLJ pissed on the corpse by taking that roller coaster and removing all the loops and shit, replacing them with a surprise dentist appointment or something else lame.
Last Jedi is the only one that tried to be original. It tried to extend star wars beyond the tired boundaries that it had so far existed in. It didn't work, obviously, but it tried
I fricking hate this argument. No it fricking didn't try to be original, it was literally a shitter empire strikes back and return of the Jedi mashed into the same movie.
There was one spark of it being original and that's when Kylo offered Rey to join him to make something new and it got shut down fast. George already did the heroes of legend are not what you expected trope in both trilogies. First with yoda being a crazy frog man living in a swamp and the Jedi order being not as squeaky clean as obi wan said they were.
I meant more in the sense that it moved away from the idea that everyone is somehow related to someone else and that anyone can be important, even an orphan whose parents were just random junkies. Like I said, it didn't work, but it tried
The entire "is Rey Skywalker thing was manufactured by The Force awakens and its insistence on her mysterious past and ridiculous usage of the force. Star wars had the "chosen one" trope but Anakin wasn't some unstoppable Mary Sue and ended 2 of the 3 movies he was in being horribly maimed and taking a massive L from people who aren't from some super special blood line.
Where did people get this idea from? Were people thinking that the Skywalkers, the Jinns, the Kenobis, the Windus, all the other background Jedi and all the aliens were secretly cousins? I never once experienced this you-gotta-be-related idea until people started crowing how great it was that TLJ “refuted” it
>tried to be original
>it didn't work
No. It tried to destroy Star Wars. It worked.
...and that's a good thing!
Being different in and of itself is not a good thing.
Why do people keep repeating this? It’s disconcerting how many people state things as fact because they heard others say it. TLJ is just as unoriginal as TFA
>It tried to extend star wars
you're baiting but whatever, Rian tried to SUBVERT YOUR EXPECTATIONS and nothing else, RLM summed it perfectly here
>RLM summed it perfectly here
Should've tried to do it from the start then
>It tried to extend star wars beyond the tired boundaries
You know what it tried to expand the boundaries? The aliens invasion and it sucked.
You know what is original? Boring German expresionist film like the city without israelites
frick off rian
In some ways, he has a point, but it's a shame that so many people latch onto it simply because it was different.
It could've been a much better film and still be different, original and subversive.
The biggest mistake the ST writers did by far is that they wrote all of this on the spot, as they went. The ST had no broader structure or planning. Literally throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. It played them a bad joke in the end. It didn't have to be like this.
I literally said 'it didn't work'
>Last Jedi is the only one that tried to be original.
Sure, it was very original in that barely anything of consequence happened in it.
>It tried to extend star wars beyond the tired boundaries that it had so far existed in.
Wrong. Despite all the talk of "killing the past" and shade-throwing at TFA, TLJ kept the same tired conflict going, basically into perpetuity.
>Some day this war is gonna end. Not the Star Wars, that'll never end, it'll keep going forever!
-Rian Johnson
EU/Legends's already done that with KotOR2 and Yuuzhan Vong, and the former turned out alright, while the latter was kinda controversial.
>but it tried
Obviously didn't try hard enough.
Now kys, D*sney apologist
I really hate those "old is le good new is le bad" hipsters but it really is the case here.
Rian was outdone before he came on the scene.
Well, that's exactly why I said it "didn't try hard enough".
The idea that some greater threat from outside of the Galaxy forces all of the former enemies to work together was a really basic idea they could have used for a sequel trilogy, and we couldn't even get that.
They could have even made TFA largely the same film, but then dropped that twist on people right at the end. That could have been something. Make Snoke some kind of sleeper agent of some greater military force, who are feeling out the defensive capabilities of this Galaxy's people, before they strike.
As I said, 'it didn't work'. Why can none of you guys read?
Kotor 2 was fricking great by the way
>then the TLJ pissed on the corpse by taking that roller coaster and removing all the loops and shit, replacing them with a surprise dentist appointment
haha
>We need to make women the action star now and show the world the power of women!
Shit's fricking cancer. Women look so fricking stupid doing action scenes. They slow, uncoordinated, and throw punches like a grade school child.
It can be done right you just need someone like Milla Jovovich or Kate Beckinsale as lead
No, it can't. They look stupid fighting men. It's why the entire of humanity that's ever had any sense left women at home and put the men in the ranks.
Jews.
Best Star Wars movie was directed by a israelite (empire)
Yeah and Stanley Kubrick was also a israelite. Doesn't make what he said any less credible.
Producer israelites are a different thing.
Is it possible that the US has gotten dumber? And that there hardly any good scripts coming out of that country?
Maybe RLM has got it wrong. Maybe Star Wars isn't creatively bankrupt. Maybe the US is. Case in Point: the MCU
Not at all. They simply stopped hiring the best writers in the business, white men, in favor of women and random minorities. When you combine low to no standards for hiring, combined with committee production approaches, you get exactly what we have today. Shit films, poorly written, poorly acted, poorly casted, that aren't made for anybody but an insignificant segment of the population.
They gave Jessica Chastaine the greenlight to make a fricking female "secret agent" movie for fricks sake. They had 5 foot nothing 100 pound women pretending they could manhandle grown men and they expected people to pay to see that bullshit. Most women could get their asses handed to them by a 13 year old boy, let alone a grown man. They're clueless and living in a world the general public does not share.
good lord
i could watch this webm a thousand times
Yeah, so who are the greatest independent US writers of our generation?
>Most women could get their asses handed to them by a 13 year old boy, let alone a grown man.
https://reddit.com/r/fightporn/comments/vhofgq/woman_chokes_guy_unconscious_in_jiujitsu_match/
Lol, cope
>woman_chokes_guy_unconscious_in_jiujitsu_match/
>posts video of a israelite
Now post at least a hundred more examples, troony.
Ok moron
https://nypost.com/2019/01/07/female-ufc-fighter-beats-the-hell-out-of-mugger-with-cardboard-gun/
HRT has clearly fried your brains to the point you can't even count kek. Now post 99 more examples, preferably in a single post.
>muh stronk woman!
Women are a joke, and like children compared to men, which is why they're getting dominated by WEAK men that go troony and kick the shit out of them in their own sports.
That's why they look so stupid on film when they try to be some "bad ass" and fight men.
>Women are a joke, and like children compared to men
like fricking choir boys
>Womans national soccer team loses 5-2 against Dallas U-15 team (UNDER 15 years old)
Lol, cope
Rian tried to save your Trilogy but then they attacked him instead.
Rian had the right idea; kill the past and take it in a different direction. Unfortunately, the direction he took it in was kinda dumb.
>Rian had the right idea; kill the past and take it in a different direction.
No, he didn't. The OT trio should have had a reunion scene at least. Luke should have had the mentor / trainer role and should have been integral to all 3 films, while Han and Leia should have had senior leadership roles within the rebellion that would have given them a limited amount of scenes and allowed the next generation to do all the grunt work along with Luke. They fricked it all up, though, and it's one of the biggest frick ups in film history to have not had the OT trio share a scene together. Now it's too late.
>he should have done what I wanted to see
oh baby
>thinks Star Wars fans didn't want to see a reunion
oh baby
>too late now
What's the margin on that $4.2 billion atm do you suppose?
Meh...they've probably made it back between all the films and merchandise.
Even if they made it back, it's been almost a decade in the red and there is opportunity cost associated with it.
It's certainly not the license to print money that it should be due to shitty management from Disney and Lucas films. NOOOOBODY gives a frick about Star Wars anymore.
I honestly think they've given up on it. They financially can't just scrap the whole fricking thing and call it a loss, but it really seems like they are trimming the fat and paring down to B-movie tier content.
>I honestly think they've given up on it.
Nah, they're going to keep ruining it with their shitty TV shows, and eventually they're going to do an entire remake of the OT....and it will suck.
Remind me, did his movie end with something new and original, or did it rip off the beginning of Empire
>did his movie end with something new and original
it did, yes
I feel like if Rian was in charge from the beginning it would’ve been better. The trilogy should’ve just been the vision of a single director.
Another factor was their inflexibility and hubris, killing of Luke? It’s especially funny considering how Carrie died with coke in her system it’s almost like divine retribution.
>Another factor was their inflexibility and hubris, killing of Luke?
>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T TAKE MY FAVORITE TOY AWAY
Luke went out in a ridiculous fashion that was obviously disrespectful to the character. His death made no sense whatsoever, neither did the sudden resurgence of the rebellion in the third film.
>disrespectful to the character.
Why is it necessary to respect a fictional character? Is it because you care about the cinematic "representation" of your identity group in popcorn films much like a whining homosexual, Black person, or feminist does? You should try to have more dignity than this, and you might want to get your test levels checked.
Anticlimax work if is like HunterxHunter or a film made by good writer .
It doesn't work in a space capeshit directed by Rian Johnson
>what a dumb post
You respect the character because it maintains the continuity you have already established, because you want to maintain an established fan base, because you want to win a new fan base, and because if the characters you created are worth a shit, the audience will identify with them and be insulted when those characters are degraded with no semblance of logic or reason.
What are you, 12? This is like basic high school level story telling.
Star Wars fans are such malignant narcissists lmao
Go get some therapy, anon. You seem to have an issue with disappointment.
>good storytelling is pandering with no surprises along the way.
I thought so.
There's a lot of ways to create surprises and not all of them will stick the landing.
In Godfather 2, it would be a surprise for Corleone to have a blue tit hang from his forehead for no apparent reason. It would probably be the most discussed thing about the film.
Will it be a good surprise or some kind of original subversion? Not really.
>this anon has the intelligence and maturity of a 12 year old boy
I thought so.
Don’t understand. Don’t think. Just consume, and be grateful you even got a new series to begin with.
>I simply cannot understand how it wasn't planned out properly by such a gigantic company
It was planned out properly but morons bashed The Last Jedi, causing Disney to do "course correction" with the last movie.
It wasn't planned at all anon.
Disney has been a soulless corporation ever since israelites took it over in 1984. They were more concerned about making money with the new franchise which is why they brought back all the original cast to draw in the old fans.
I think the real problem is the company in the 2000s, Eisner era started corporate synergy cancer but still it was their own ips and had soul
trilogies aren't "planned". making a movie is a massive undertaking, people don't just snap their fingers and make them happen, when Disney was throwing $300 million into their massive Star Wars reboot they weren't thinking about a hypothetical film they'd be releasing five years later
Star wars was never planned out, you were just a toddler when the prequels came out so you don't realize the massive amounts of retcons and contradictions and asspulls in Star Wars, this is the first time you had to engage with Star Wars on a film-by-film basis and you're now seeing that these are just movies made by people in the real world making shit up as they go rather than divinely ordained holy writ
we're reaching levels of projection previously thought impossible
imagine actually thinking this
>projection just means "no u" on Cinemaphile
I swear to god did anyone on this sub finish high school?
>on this sub
it's so easy to bait you losers lol
>LoL it's bait guise!
Sure, reddit. Sure.
>trilogies aren't "planned"
LoTR, the best trilogy ever filmed, was planned from beginning to end. You expect anyone to believe that's a coincidence? Contrast it to the Hobbit trilogy, which wasn't well planned, and you'll realize how absurd your point is
>Star wars was never planned out
Because it started out as one movie that everyone expected to bomb, including Lucas. The didn't know they had one of the most profitable franchises in history on their hands. Disney did, and you think its reasonable for them to spend billions of dollars buying Star Wars without putting any forethought into how they might leverage their investment instead of burning it down?
>when the prequels
The prequels are shit. Trying to use them as a defense is an immediate admission that the sequels are shit too. But at least the prequels were shit because the autistic autuer billionaire with complete franchise control decided to film whatever he wanted without regard for the audience. What's Disney's excuse? They're only it for the money, so why can't these top level industry professionals come up with a single functioning script for a franchise founded on straightforward stories about good and evil?
LOTR was an adaptation and one big production, moron, and that it was produced that way is a miracle
And? The sequel trilogy, like LoTR, was guaranteed from the start. They knew they would be making a third SW sequel before they'd even picked a director for the first. In all ways, the situation demanded a long term plan, an outline at the very least. I'm detecting some autism in your post, so I'll package it this way: Disney should have commissioned one story in the form of three scripts, then "adapted" them into films. To do otherwise was malpractice inviting disaster, as we can all clearly see
Well you are absurdly correct about everything
>"Lost a franchise Master Obi-Wan has"
Despite being sometimes moronic, the EU novels had a much more cohesive and sensible view of the plot after ROTJ.
Lol, lmao
Some people shit on the EU, but the fact of the matter is, when you hire 20 people to write a story, the odds are that 1 or 2 of them will come up with something good. The ST had a smaller group of people working on the overreaching story, and pretty much none of it was set in stone. They changed shit in real time.
Hell, the last movie was completely different from what it was originally supposed to be. The closest thing that was kept unchanged was an appearance of Palpatine, which would've been a hologram message in the original draft for episode 9. He wasn't even alive in the film.
If nothing else the sequels have given me much more appreciation for the old post-ROTJ EU. Dark Empire looks like a masterpiece compared to RoS, for example.
did this really warrant a thread?
Simply put, they had no vision and agreement on where the films go. Say what you want about the prequels but Lucas had a set course vision on where they went and how they did, there was also in between merch and spin-off material that took place between the movies so the saga can continue forward. There was also a lot of infighting between the producers especially after TLJ plus Carrie’s death. Now what they have left is trying to fix things back together to try and attempt to salvage the era but won’t heavily return to that era like shadows of the sith did. The ending is also vague, was the new republic ever restored or did the galaxy enter an age of anarchy? Did rey become a grey jedi and decide to let the order rebuild itself naturally? Was the sith reborn faction truly beaten or did sheev already plan ahead again and send new users across the galaxy? Really we just don’t know because they never explained what happens afterwards except the ninth jedi or the twins you consider them canon
Money and management. Both at the Big Mouse level and the production level. Simple as. All other flaws can be folded into them.
The Mouse spent a boatload of money on Star Wars and wanted to Marvel-ize it. So instead of taking risks with the franchise, they opted instead to give by committee a set of requirements that their underlings would follow. Designed to maximize money among the normie masses. Based on what the Boomer money men thought would maximize money.
So they brought in J. J and had him make a soft mushy reboot that would be as mass appealing and inoffensive as possible with some inclusive elements to make it ‘modern’. So like Star Trek, he’d just gut the originals, modernize and spice them, and give it to the gullet of America to print money from cult like fans who would, it was presumed, buy anything and take anything.
But J. J only started this process. And people even more incompetent and some than him took it over. That’s where KK and her woke clique come in. Who in turn decided to shove in their own agendas and people into eight. As a woke mirror of Empire.
They didn’t expect the backlash, didn’t take it well, and doubled down within the limits set by the Mouse to salvage their project. Leading to the mess of nine.
And at the end of it, there is a hollowed out shell of a franchise. Run by diversity hires leeching off of Mousebucks and inertia who can’t be fired for fear of bad press. Who will run it further into the ground because they can’t or won’t hire actually competent talent. Because competent talent doesn’t want to be a mechanical, woke cog in a machine.
pretty good take, the combo of playing it safe/inoffensive + the gay ass woke as frick culture at yidsney ruined star wars
The original trilogy wasn't planned out either. Even Jedi changed a few things that were set up in Empire. And there were some obvious changes in the prequel trilogy as that went on, there were three years in between for a reason.
Where Disney went wrong is that they had no story to tell and they were relying on brand recognition and having a female role model with no story attached to her to carry the whole thing. Kathleen's a great producer but she has no inspiration when it comes to storytelling.
They thought if they pretended like film making is the same as it was in 1979, and make it up as they go along, then they would be able to recreate the magic from that era. It's also just a coincidence that all the decision makers and ones with controlling power are women.
>all the decision makers and ones with controlling power are women
you are moronic
>It's also just a coincidence that all the decision makers and ones with controlling power are women.
>he thinks the story board actually does anything
disney hates white, middle-class, heterosexual males and will spend inordinate amounts of money to frick them over because they have the tax laws written such that they won't lose money whatever they do.
Americans are simply moronic and Disney made movies responding to the audiance instead of having guts to do anything creative.
You're making a huge mistake thinking just because people are wealthy and successful that means they must be smarter than you
>I still cannot understand how the sequel trilogy ended up like it did
>"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own..."
>J.R.R. Tolkien-- The Return of The King
Disney is fricking evil, and evil can not create anything new, it can only corrupt that which already exists.
>guys, do I fit in?
complete non sequitur. keep watching your feminist force sequels and arguing like star wars isn't dead
that term doesn't mean what you think it means
it means nothing you said connects to what I said. you can keep throwing bullshit accusations all you want. it doesn't change the veracity of what I said. you're not superior to me.
>that term doesn't mean what you think it means
Not anon but yes it does. You projected a conclusion that had nothing to do with what he said. You're a moron, congratulations.
he loves the Black person/woman sequels and frames everything in terms of 'fitting in', what do you expect?
I was referring to his obvious, overdone racism
How do you fix star wars around the origin trilogy? To start
No qui gon jinn
Anakin is in his 20s and is a Han Solo type
Obi Wan meets him during the clone wars
Clone wars is actually between the Republic and their clone army corrupted and hijacked by Palpatine to seize power
Obi Wan befriends and trains Anakin despite the council's objections due to strong in the force
Anakin loves an easy out and short cuts to what he wants, life as an undesirable makes him use the force negatively to get what he wants
Wasn't a slave
What else?
>No qui gon jinn
stopped reading right there
>Wasn't a slave
So he was some spoiled brat who ultimately just decided to be a dick in his 20s and then realized his frick ups as an old man?
That would make his redemption even less impactful. You need to give him reasons for why he turned out the way he did.
It's hard enough as is to be able to look at a character who slaughters children and wave away his past transgressions because he decided to attone at the end of his life.
>I cannot fathom why they thought a Hans Solo movie would be more crucial to make than an Obi Wan movie
Solo was testing the waters for single character movies, since it didn't do well any other single character based movies were canned.
Didn't read.
he did and I agree with you, you're just over the top with it
>i said you love Black folk.
Only your mother.
TLJ destroyed it.
I'm glad it happened, though, as Abrams clearly wanted to rehash the original trilogy.
Avraam would've made movies that normies would've praised. Rian Johnson went for something original but unfortunately didn't do his homework on Star Wars prior to that and it didn't really work as something that people will universally agree on.
All of them made the mistake of not planning all of this out. They relied heavily on the good will of the fans and the fact that it's an established moneymaker. Now they're putting some more competent people in charge, but the damage was done, and them distancing themselves from the ST tells you as much.
How can you see Rians movie as anything but complete shit? The guy can't help but virtue signal in the worst way, his movie was anticlimactic and filled with ridiculous shit.
I'm saying that I agree with the concept of doing something different, but it has been done better previously, and it didn't work in the context of a trilogy that was being written on the spot.
Honestly, they should've just went with either JJ or Rian all the way, and not have both of them try to work out a cohesive trilogy, because it clearly didn't work.
And most of all, I unironically think George's plans for the ST would've been the most original, and potentially the most well done on a technical level, because for all the shit he caught for the PT, he is someone who experiments with (and creates) film tech all the time, and this would've been a good opportunity to do that.
Fair enough but 3 movies like Rians would have been a snoozefest filled with lesbians and nubian queens who are the only true jedi and all white jedi were actually sith and now Jedi lesbos can also breath in space and fly like superman in a 2 hour space chase scene in each movie.
take your meds
He is right though
Maybe. We'll never get to know what such a trilogy would be like because it didn't happen.
I'm throwing disney a bone here and giving some easy examples of what they could've done better. But it's beating a dead horse at this point. They were unironically too confident in the brand and it played them a bad joke.
I can't fathom spending billions and being so haphazard with the process. The three movies don't even feel consistent in quality.
It really does feel like Kathleen has dirt. Probably slept her way to the top, and could "metoo" half of the people in Hollywood.
Not really, just got her foot in the door as a glorified water boy and established herself through connections over the years. She became complacent due to previous success and doesn't care for the current product outside of hiring specific people that fit the model they're going for.
She's an understudy and has been priviledged enough to be involved in films that were being made by competent people back in the day.
It's more that Disney just let her wipe her ass with what should have been their biggest money maker, five times in a row, and she's pretty much still doing it.
You would have thought Bob Iger would have stepped in at some point and said "look, you can't fricking character assassinate Luke Skywalker. That's our cash cow".
The idea is obviously to try and broaden the appeal of Star Wars and make it an even more productive cash cow. "Imagine the profits if we can get females to enjoy Star Wars too." This is why you've got Rey, Baby Yoda, and little Leia with her ladybird droid (remember to pre-order one for Christmas). I suppose the shareholders must believe that KK is the best person to make Star Wars more female-friendly. If not her, who else?
What women like in Star Wars are pretty much the cute things. Everyone knows that already.
There's female friendly, and then there's the supervillain scheme to get rid of Han and Luke, so Leia can be the real hero of the original cast. She had all of this plotted out and was never shy about showing it.
If only this franchise took place in a large, galaxy sized universe that could be easily used for side stories that don't destroy the main story.
>fanboys whine the movie is soulless corporate shit
>then demand that the suits step in and make creative decisions in the name of ensuring the fanboys are never upset and keep buying toys
lmao
It was all soulless corporate crap. Rian Johnson's mess wasn't less soulless or corporate. He literally gave us Porgs.
>muh subvert expecttions
The most brainlet resource a director can use. It's even worse than mistery box.
>I simply cannot understand how it wasn't planned out properly by such a gigantic company
when they were working on it Guardians of the Galaxy was a huge hit, and they thought that directors should come into do star wars and leave their individual marks on it, but yeah they totally do not understand that what makes star wars so special was the trilogy story, not the individual ones.
a sequel about a fart-faced mary sue c**t and a baboon wasnt going to work either way
I think there was an assumption going into it that whatever they made was going to be a hit simply because "it's Star Wars", which is a bold assumption given how notoriously hated the prequels were. Beyond that, these just aren't good movies. It's easy to get lost in over-analyzing "WHAT HAPPENED TO STAR WARS", when the simple answer is these just aren't good movies anymore. They don't have anything to say, the characters are boring, the dialog is clunky, and no one is impressed by computer generated light swords anymore. Would a plan have helped? Absolutely, but even taking each of the movies from the sequel trilogy on their own, they just aren't good flicks.
95% of the criticisms of TFA and TLJ are inane in-universe lore autism complaints and hurt feelings over the OT heroes suffering adversity in middle age
95% of your post is made of shit and you need to end your life asap. Also cope seethe sneed, troony
excellent retort, chud incel.
>chud incel
Excellent retort, troony
>I think there was an assumption going into it that whatever they made was going to be a hit simply because "it's Star Wars"
Absolutely. Why even plan out your trilogy when you know it'll make money? When they do the next trilogy they can just take what they learned from this experience and try not to repeat the same mistakes. But the thing is, it's highly unlikely the next trilogy will make as much money as this one did, precisely because they fricked up and people weren't happy with the conclusion of this one.
This one thing from Solo was the only mildly interesting thing I've seen in all Disney Star Wars
>giant space garlic squid?
LoL
I said mildly. It's the only thing I actually remember for any of the 4 movies I watched.
Because management wanted sales numbers immediately and was heedless of doing damage to the franchise in the longterm. Like if they'd gone into a 3 year preproduction to try to hammer out something that would actually impress most people the opportunity cost of spending 4 billion and then sitting on it for years would be making their beancounter quarterly profit hearts hammer.
If Rian Johnson wanted to try to be original, then why did he rehash the hoth battle and throne room scene all over again? Why didn't he actually take any of the many opportunities to tread new ground that his own movie presented? It's like TLJ spent all the time preaching to the audience then ultimately fell into the same traps with zero self-awareness. It wants you to think it has something important to say, but it never actually gets around to it.
Anyways, there's lots of reasons you could come up with for the sequel trilogy's failure (and they're all probably true to some extent), but one of the biggest things to me is the complete and utter lack of imagination in any of the movies. Even the prequels at their worst had all kinds of creativity and world-building and generally "cool stuff" that kids would find exciting. The new movies have none of that. In RoS, the Emperor's new super fleet of planet killing star destroyers are literally just original star destroyers with a big cannon attached. The new "sith troopers" are literally just first order troopers... but painted red. Zero imagination or creativity with any of these designs. They seemed literally incapable of expanding on the universe beyond what was already done. If it was George, the movies might have still been incoherent, but at the very least there would be all kinds of interesting new designs and ideas. Mainly to sell toys to kids, but hey that's always been a part of star wars.
Nu-star wars is just so fricking lame.
Star Wars is dumb.
Why doesn't Disney pay for like a tournament of a thousand scripts
I feel like they have no idea how to spend development money generating new ideas, so they do shit like just hand everything to Rian Johnson and pray
Disney should invest in a script writing AI.
>I still cannot understand how the sequel trilogy ended up like it did
Contempt for Lucas.
Contempt for Luke Skywalker.
Contempt for nerds who liked Star Wars.
Nepotism
The silver lining is that now that all of the Skywalkers and the other characters from the original trilogy that you loved are dead, they can finally move on to something else. They can't ruin them anymore. They have to find new ground at this point
Dexter Jettster series just got announced.
>Dexter Jettster series just got announced.
Thank the maker
>They can't ruin them anymore
Wrong. All of their TV shows are prequel stories featuring the original characters. We've been watching Darth Vader chasing Obi-Wan and Leia around for the past month or so.
The Boomers were the largest demographic of cinema goers in 1979. They were the target audience for the OT. They were ignored and forgotten about for the ST - the ridiculous assumption was made that no one over 30 would be interested in these new movies.
They didn't seem to be aimed at the traditional Star Wars audience of young boys either. They were pretty much feminist vanity projects.