I think a movie about biblically accurate angels is long overdue
Why does this male Christ cucks seethe so much
>Aren’t the normal angels and archangels the lowest two on the choir so they get sent to deal with humanity’s bullshit and so they look like humans
No, in Christianity and in the Abrahamic religions the human form is considered sacred and akin to the image of God. God literally made us in his image and that does apply to the different roles of angels as well. The choir's hierarchy applies to their closeness to God, angels close to God are in fact often depicted in the Bible as in a human form. Since they are incorporeal they choose which form to take depending on the situation. They can either be some kind of awe inspiring concept given form or else human and relatable. The bottom line is that the somewhat incomprehensible nature of the divine still has a human basis even when the overwhelming power of these beings is depicted as terrifying and otherworldly. No one has made fiction surround the lore of the angels I think mainly due to the fact that most people have not read the Bible or have a decent understanding of Abrahamic theology , it would be very controversial in all honesty. It's a matter of faith which is inherently irrational.
It would be absolutely kino but trying to make that would be such a pain in the ass you have no idea
Okay so i might as well clear this up-
>biblically accurate angels are both humans and giant wheel things and massive mounds of feathered wings >nine choirs of angels. The highest choirs attend and surround God's thrones. The lowest deal with the universe and humanity directly >archangels are simultaneously the second lowest choir of angels and "the seven lamps who stand before God" >we know only three names of the archangels (two if youre protestant), that is saint Michael (Satan's opponent), saint Gabriel (the messenger of good news) and st. Raphael (the patron saint of medicine). All the other names are either fan fiction or rumours, but notable examples include Uriel , jeremiel (guardian of the homes of the dead according to esdras 2) and Azrael, the Angel of death >an angel can occupy several choirs at the same time, especially as an archangel, st. Michael is both the guardian angel of israel and thus a power, as well as an archangel. >the higher choirs of angels look more esoteric because they surround God's throne , and represent his magnificence. The cherubim's four head represent the nature of the messiah
Practising catholic here. Ask me any questions about angels
It's easier to get an angel bf as a woman than an angel gf because that actually happened in the bible.
There are only two female angels in the bible, and both of them were evil who appeared in a vision to take a wooden casket with a woman inside (representing idolatry) , to be worshipped. They had the wings of storks, and thats Pretty much what we know about them.
I though angels were genderless, and the masculine names we here are all just Hebrew words for specific things
Mikael- he who is like god
Gavril-gods strength
The old testament is written in such a way that it needs a fulfilment in order to make sense. The new testament is that fulfilment. The israelites who didnt accept the new testament, later wrote stuff like the kabbalah and the talmud to haphazardly come up with solutions after the israeli temple was destroyed and the basis for following judaism alone degenerated.
Also yes Satan is an incels loser, but the bible actually describes him as "king of the world", in the sense that all demons and kings of the earth are subject to him. The story of the old and new testament is sort of a counter-revolution by God to rescue humanity from sin and Satan's thrall. Satan is very much an incel for the simple fact that he cant bare to see people happy, he tortures Job the prophet for this reason.
What's the purpose of those in the upper choirs? What do they do?
Higher choirs praise God unendingly, and reflect his majesty when he appears to man. Theyre rather like mirrors which reflect God's nature in a way man could comprehend It, like staring a picture of the sun instead of at the sun itself. Theyre pretty much attendants to a king. They contemplate the nature of God which they stare at directly. Theyre also a "literal" choir, in that they literally sing in God's name. Its said that Satan was a seraphim, which is the highest choir , but sometimes he's described as an archangel as well. With how the angelic choirs work, he could have been both.
The more you descend down the choirs, their roles become less heavenly and more celestial. Dominions control and organize lesser choirs of angels, virtues run the functions of the universe (probably something to do with the paths of the stars and the birth of heavenly bodies). Powers fight against the forces of evil, which include Satan and whatever other forces there are, like rahab.
OP Here. Not really. Its just the idea that blackpilled incels blame everything but themselves for whatever happens to them and take it out on society. I know other types of incels arent really that bad and obviously raise much better points than any feminist but im basically comparing Satan to Elliot rodgers- a pathetic, spiteful unreliable narrator
Angels were created by God before he created humans, not exactly sure when. The muslims say God created them out of light, and thats possible. Angels cannot die, but Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire at the end times.
>Visual depictions
How do you even know we'll have eyes in Heaven? What's an eternity anyway? How long does it last when you're in an existence lacking linear time?
I mean if God gets bored he can frick off with the whole thing whenever. What even happens in Hell?
All this shit is pretty vague. Being omniscient sounds boring.
My recommendation is to get an study Bible (ESV, NASB, or NIV) and read it in the following order:
*read through Psalms and Proverbs continuously as you go through all of the rest*
*as you read through Old Testament books, you can skim through certain parts, especially genealogies and counts*
John
Genesis
Matthew
Exodus
Mark
Deuteronomy
Luke
Joshua
Judges
Ruth
1 Samuel
2 Samuel
1 Kings
2 Kings
Ezra
Nehemiah
Esther
Daniel
Hosea
Jonah
John (again)
Acts
Romans
1 Corinthians
2 Corinthians
Galatians
Ephesians
Philippians
Colossians
1 Thessalonians
2Thessalonians
1 Timothy
2 Timothy
Titus
Philemon
Hebrews
James
1 Peter
2 Peter
1 John
2 John
3 John
Jude
*read the following carefully with commentary/analysis available*
Revelation
Job
Ecclesiastes
Lamentations
Ezekiel
Joel
Amos
Obadiah
Micah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi
Revelation (again)
*just listen to the following on audio book if you wanna completely finish the Bible*
Leviticus
Numbers
1 Chronicles
2 Chronicles
I prefer it over Matthew or Luke because it's shorter and gets straight into Jesus's adult ministry so someone who hasn't read the Bible before won't get bogged down with genealogies.
I prefer it over Mark because it starts out by identifying the divinity of Christ and our need for him as our savior right off the bat.
Literally the israeli law which the israelites still follow. Catholics dont follow it to a "t" because Jesus came to fulfill the law, which means instead of looking at a bunch of fixed rules and feeling guilty about which ones you break and trying to find loopholes, that we realize that we cannot be made right with God by just being a good person and that Jesus died to make us right with God. Thus, we focus on being good and imitating Jesus without adhering to strict laws which were meant for ancient people. (Thus dietary laws save for laws against cannibalism and eating blood and eschewed, but moralistic teachings like avoiding sexual immorality is not). Its like pic related with the Law on the left and Jesus on the right.
Ah yes but see the sin no more part is quite a hassle. You’re basically saying to stop living my life and become a vegetable. Can I embrace the lord on my deathbed?
I mean how is avoiding sin being a vegetable? You can still have fun and enjoy life, its encouraged throughout the bible, just don't be a hedonist and be selfish
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>Literally the israeli law which the israelites still follow
Jews follow laws rabbis tell them to follow
lol why do evangelicals keep leading people straight to John
See:
I prefer it over Matthew or Luke because it's shorter and gets straight into Jesus's adult ministry so someone who hasn't read the Bible before won't get bogged down with genealogies.
I prefer it over Mark because it starts out by identifying the divinity of Christ and our need for him as our savior right off the bat.
But you could just as easily go:
Matthew
Genesis
Mark
Exodus
Luke
Deuteronomy
John
Joshua
other OT books from the list
one of the gospels again
Acts
and so on
Seraphim - Fly around the Throne of God crying "holy, holy, holy."
Cherubim - guarded the Garden of Eden and transport God's throne.
Thrones - function like wheels under the Throne of God.
Dominations - Regulate the duties of lower angels.
Virtues - Control the elements and govern the cosmos to maintain order.
Powers - Have power over evil forces and fight against them.
He's not almighty. Judaism is cosmologically polytheistic, but the israelites are forbidden from paying homage to any god but Yahweh, so he's constantly trying to impress his people and scare them into obedience.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What even is a god if he only rules over a single small tribe and it's areas while bickering with other gods
2 years ago
Anonymous
>He's not almighty
Wrong. >Judaism is cosmologically polytheistic
The lesser gods are real because they're demons. >Jews are forbidden from paying homage to any god but Yahweh
Yes.
He's the creator of all that exists. He is Lord of the cosmos. No amount of pomp is excessive.
2 years ago
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If God is operating on such high levels of power and esoteric shit, why would he ever care about our life problems and the prayers we address him?
Jesus says that asking God something is like a child asking something to his parents, but I don’t recal my dad creating the cosmos or commanding legions of eldritch abominations with 10000 eyes
2 years ago
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Technically God is your dad as well.
It's like asking that just because your dad is a CEO with thousands of people on his payroll that its impossible to think that he could care about his own biological children.
Love just surpasses all things
2 years ago
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Who says he does? He canonically created 9 levels of separation between us and him just so he doesn’t have to deal with us directly and can focus on other shit while the angels deal with us
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Why is he concerned with pomp when there's no one to see it?
2 years ago
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yo God we heard you like wheels.. so we put some wheels in your wheels!
A good chunk of it is simply we cannot comprehend a supreme being of that level. The thrones and cherubim could very well be anchors to allow any sort of physical presence to exist directly in our world.
OP here, there are some good ideas in It, but its largely just the council being vague on matters of spirituality to placate liberals and other religions. Not a good guideline, though im not gonna go sedevecantist for it
Aren’t the normal angels and archangels the lowest two on the choir so they get sent to deal with humanity’s bullshit and so they look like humans? Meanwhile the higher up ones are more abstract, and the highest up ones never even appear to humans outside of being mentioned as existing. Pretty sure the highest tier of Angel that revealed its self to a human was a dominion which is just mid tier overall
>Aren’t the normal angels and archangels the lowest two on the choir so they get sent to deal with humanity’s bullshit and so they look like humans
No, in Christianity and in the Abrahamic religions the human form is considered sacred and akin to the image of God. God literally made us in his image and that does apply to the different roles of angels as well. The choir's hierarchy applies to their closeness to God, angels close to God are in fact often depicted in the Bible as in a human form. Since they are incorporeal they choose which form to take depending on the situation. They can either be some kind of awe inspiring concept given form or else human and relatable. The bottom line is that the somewhat incomprehensible nature of the divine still has a human basis even when the overwhelming power of these beings is depicted as terrifying and otherworldly. No one has made fiction surround the lore of the angels I think mainly due to the fact that most people have not read the Bible or have a decent understanding of Abrahamic theology , it would be very controversial in all honesty. It's a matter of faith which is inherently irrational.
It would be absolutely kino but trying to make that would be such a pain in the ass you have no idea
>God burns things by means of fire; fire is moved by the motion of the sphere; the sphere is moved by means of a disembodied intellect, these intellects being the 'angels which are near to Him', through whose mediation the spheres move ... thus totally disembodied minds exist which emanate from God and are the intermediaries between God and all the bodies [objects] here in this world.
They choose what forms they want to reveal to us, in Christian mythology in specific their true forms are somewhat unknowable and can only be partially comprehend by different people as per the will of the Holy Spirit. If you take their depictions literally they're a lot of different things , more than just fire
>human body >made in the image of god >shits out of a hole right next to sex zone >penis naturally covered in skin that makes man pee all over his own penis >urethra placed above vegana in the vulva so gravity makes pee go all over and sometimes into vegana >butthole literally opens first when developing in the womb >burps, farts, pukes, barks, makes other sounds that are among the most laughably stupid compared to nearly every other animal on earth
what did christcucks mean by this
>Narcissist assumes normal bodily functions are disgusting due to his own neurosis instead just a pretty logical fact of biology that unites us with the rest of life >Nooo shit and piss is weird and gross , why aren't we just sterile robots?
Even if you take Christianity out of the factor, which I don't believe in btw, you're a fricking OCD riddled moron.
attacking me and not the argument. pretty cowardly imho
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Anonymous
>Narcissist is so self obsessed he doesn't even realize he's not the main subject of the criticism he's being given
Topkek. It's illogical to assume that normal bodily functions are inherently disgusting and not a part of life. The fact you have a basic grasp of human anatomy doesn't change that - the basis of your argument is inherently neurotic.
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who said anything about being logical? humans aren’t logical. logic is a tool to be used, or not used, and since we’re discussing the veracity of religious claims, we abandoned the realm of logic several stops ago.
you also keep insisting that I’m narcissistic, and it’s pretty weird. I literally never used the words >weird
or >gross
so I guess you’re just arguing with your own version of what I said? however, if we take a look at human behavior in aggregate, the average person definitely believes poop is gross. the average person is so disgusted by poop that human beings literally invented a convoluted system of pipes and waterways to magically make the poop disappear we seem to despise it so much. funny, that!
imo God gave humans the example of a heavenly body (pic related), in fact we used to literally call them heavenly bodies. bodies that don’t need to eat, bodies with waste that both nourishes and annihilates life, bodies that provide all the warmth of the day and the lights of the night, bodies that literally bend reality into a loop that traps puny little rocks like the one we’re stuck on, barking about how God made us super duper special even though we shit, piss, cry, and kill like every other cursed creature on this hell planet
2 years ago
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>I literally never used the words
>or
No you just heavily insinuated it you pedantic homosexual lmao. You know exactly what you were arguing. >the average person definitely believes poop is gross
Never met a German have you? >the average person is so disgusted by poop that human beings literally invented a convoluted system of pipes and waterways to magically make the poop disappear we seem to despise it so much.
Yeah, you think the human body and it's functions are gross and assume you know more than God or else evolution if you're atheistic. That's why you're a narcissist because you assume way too much of your own intelligence - which isn't a lot apparently. Waste management is a modern construct we developed mostly due to the insights provided by Germ Theory. Before that, yeah we literally just had shit in the streets or in different open cesspits and thought that was okay unless there was a foul odor - miasma theory. The bodily functions of humans and most mammals aren't that disgusting unless you're an extremely neurotic and sheltered person. The argument of the existence of waste disproving God? Kind of a dead giveaway that you're that type of person lmao >imo God gave humans the example of a heavenly body (pic related), in fact we used to literally call them heavenly bodies. bodies that don’t need to eat, bodies with waste that both nourishes and annihilates
What are you a member of Heavens Gate? You wouldn't happen to be a closeted gay man trying to convince people to cut their wiener off would you? The human body from either a religious or purely secular viewpoint is actually pretty amazing and yeah that does include the bodies ability to process and manage waste
2 years ago
Anonymous
When you come to Los Angeles you can suck my wiener.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I can't, you're from Los Angeles you've probably already cut it off
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nope. It's stiff right now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What from rigor mortis
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why are you thinking about rotten zombie dicks
2 years ago
Anonymous
>calling someone a coward for making fun of you on Cinemaphile
Lmfao why do atheists take this shit so fricking seriously? You are arguing with other autists on the incel anime forum. Chill out
, farts, pukes, barks, makes other sounds that are among the most laughably stupid compared to nearly every other animal on earth
All mammals make those sounds anon.
Humans can sing. >inb4 birds can sing
They also piss, shit, and frick in the same hole so, they're a beta version.
That's only after Adam was split to make Eve. The pre-surgery Adam with his feminine half is what god really looks like(this is why god uses third person pronouns). We only really look like God when we are with our other half
The higher choirs aren’t even that abstract looking. Seraphim are just angels with six wings instead of two like angels and archangels. Cherubim have 4 wings a 3 extra faces mimicking animals. Dominations, virtues, principalities and powers are look like angels/archangels but just have a different title. The only weird ones are thrones, lowest in the 1st sphere/third overall, and they arguably aren’t even angels themselves but rather extensions of the cherubim that move gods throne around. >These "wheels" have been associated with Daniel 7:9 (mentioned as galgal, traditionally "the wheels of galgallin", in "fiery flame" and "burning fire") of the four, eye-covered wheels (each composed of two nested wheels), that move next to the winged Cherubim, beneath the throne of God. The four wheels move with the Cherubim because the spirit of the Cherubim is in them.
Well if you’re the creator of everything and spend your time just chilling on a throne all day, it’d make sense you’d want to move it around from time to time. Might as well give those wheels sentience and make them sing your praises all the time as well
Aren’t the normal angels and archangels the lowest two on the choir so they get sent to deal with humanity’s bullshit and so they look like humans? Meanwhile the higher up ones are more abstract, and the highest up ones never even appear to humans outside of being mentioned as existing. Pretty sure the highest tier of Angel that revealed its self to a human was a dominion which is just mid tier overall
Highest orders: >Seraphim
Six winged beasts. >Cherubim
Two pairs of wings and four faces (lion, ox, human, and eagle) >Thrones
Wheels within wheels covered in eyes.
Middle orders: >Dominions
No physical description. >Virtues
No physical description. >Powers
No physical description.
Lowest orders: >Principalities
No physical description, but can probably look human. >Archangels
Look human. >Angels
Look human.
Not in most traditions. It's interesting to note that the Archangel Michael can go toe to toe with Satan, despite being a lower order angel. It demonstrates how futile Lucifer's rebellion against God is.
I'm pretty sure the orders of the angel only imply closeness to God. Lucifer used to be one of the closest angels to God before his rebellion, it's not some kind of power scaling hierarchy like in an anime or something.
This. First sphere basically hang out next to god all day, second sphere are busy making sure creation is doing ok over all, third sphere deal directly with humanity as messengers. There’s nothing saying Michael, Gabriel or even some average Angel couldn’t take a seraphim (the guys that are directly next to god) in a fight
I suppose a lot of my lore is from trash like Supernatural and Sunday school. Never was into it enough to take theology proper.
If the other spheres of angels were so absolutely powerful over Lucifer and the other angels, why did the wars even happen? Shouldn't it have been a very quick flip of the figurative wrist?
Michael is the one destined to destroy Satan on judgement day
even when Satan confronted Michael at the body of Moses, mere words from were enough to banish Satan away
Michael doesnt frick around
>Dominions
No physical description. >Virtues
No physical description. >Powers
No physical description.
Lowest orders: >Principalities
No physical description, but can probably look human.
These are all catholic fanfiction tho and not mentioned in the bible to begin with
>Archangels >plural
there is only one Archangel, Michael, he is also a seraphim. The previous one to hold the Archangel title was Lucifer before he was cast down
What are you talking about? Every Orthodox Christian church has Archangels Michael and Gabriel on their doors to the altar. I think there are also two others named in the scriptures.
But that was because romans and greeks >Nike is the the goddess of victory, strength, speed and war in Greek mythology and the archetypal portrayal of the Abrahamic angels. As the deity of victory, Nike's greatest feat was in the Titan War, in which she served as the gods' personal charioteer. It is said that without Nike, the gods couldn't have won the war with the Titans.
Also , Yukiko is the best Persona 1 character
Jesus is a prophet in Islam and the Bible is incorporated into it as such. Allah is a being of infinity and mystery, we are both in his image and he is in an indescribable non physical form as something that came before the existence of time.
Jesus is a prophet in Islam and the Bible is incorporated into it as such. Allah is a being of infinity and mystery, we are both in his image and he is in an indescribable non physical form as something that came before the existence of time.
Allah is literally described to have two right hands, look it up
Those are all artistic libertied out the ass.
Nowhere does it ever mention giant eyes in the center, or at that the rings are larger withing smaller one, in fact it specifically states they are all the same size which indicates it looks more like a chain.
>He takes the depictions of angels in English literally
They're always an artistic liberty in any language the Bible has been in. Biblical literalism is a cancer, even Augustine in all of his autism disliked it
I suppose a lot of my lore is from trash like Supernatural and Sunday school. Never was into it enough to take theology proper.
If the other spheres of angels were so absolutely powerful over Lucifer and the other angels, why did the wars even happen? Shouldn't it have been a very quick flip of the figurative wrist?
Archangels are the highest order, I thought.
These suck because most of the descriptions say that they're burning and bright as hell
Most descriptions of angels are akin to a small child trying to explain something. It's never a complete thought, as the form in and of itself is incomprehensible. So really there isn't a right way to depict them, and the people who wrote the OT did their best. Imagine if Moses had to describe a helicopter pointing a spotlight at him at night? He'd come up with some wild shit.
The ophanim are only mentioned sparingly in the old testament, never in the new testament, and don't act as normal angels such as Gabriel.
Reddit quite literally don't know what they're talking about when they coom over MUH HECKIN CREEPY ANGELS
>biblically accurate angels >scientifically accurate dinosaurs >mature anime >lost media >unconventional christmas movies >uncanny valley >liminal spaces >mandela effect >strangely familiar places >junji ito >akira >neon evangilion >serial experiment lain >so bad its good >the pope exists in the car universe >prequel memes >gaslighting >Cinemaphilecore >trust the science >just let people enjoy things >sus >techwear >cumtown >creed aventus >based >who would win walter white or tony soprano >pirating indie games is immoral >its fun with friends >its a good X game but it falls flat as a Y game >japanese movie posters >this scene of Vito from The Sopranos kind of looks like Star Wars! >Cinemaphile is a bad board >copium >racism outside /b/ not allowed >christianity/mormonism/scientology is just like a cult >lofi hip hop >plastic love >tomboys >john lennon was a wife beater >nobody: >who hurt you >I bet you're fun at parties >I don't really care about politics, it makes me unhappy >misinformation spreads quicker than real information >Penguinz0 >frankenstein is the scientist not the monster >y'all >reporting soijak spammers isnt reddit >Ed Edd n Eddy took place in purgatory >gaslighting >gatekeeping >food analogies are bad >it’s a wyvern not a dragon >trans rights are human rights >snowpiercer is willy wonka! >thrawn >minimalist movie posters >slowburn psychological A24 horror >lovecraftian >gameplay loop >Burning (2018) >whoah this is just like a real life black mirror >serial killer/true crime documentaries and podcasts >video essay >peer reviewed >bechdel test >movie is actually about capitalism/consumerism/colonialism >newspeak >genre deconstruction >Starship Troopers is a satire of fascism >you put gaslighting on there twice >calling an opinion a “take” >let’s unpack this >Come and See (1985) >saying a song hits/slaps/bops >>muh sekrit club >pandemic >greg heffley is a sociopath >pacifist playthrough >oral history >story beats
>Top left looks SUSPICIOUSLY like the warp engine in Event Horizon, bravo whoever made that film
It was entirely on purpose and tbh it's low hanging fruit. Humans love wheels and spheres spinning around each other
>Visual depictions
How do you even know we'll have eyes in Heaven? What's an eternity anyway? How long does it last when you're in an existence lacking linear time?
I mean if God gets bored he can frick off with the whole thing whenever. What even happens in Hell?
All this shit is pretty vague. Being omniscient sounds boring.
Ah yes but see the sin no more part is quite a hassle. You’re basically saying to stop living my life and become a vegetable. Can I embrace the lord on my deathbed?
Where will I end up after death given that despite my efforts to pray and embrace God and love him in the face of the seemingly unending trials and punishiment over nearly 30 years of genuine guilt and honest repentance for my sins, but being so consistently denied the only things I truly want/need that I can't help but resent Him and all of existence, and the idea of being embraced and reuinited in any sort of afterlife with Him or a collective of his repugnant creations who have continued to wrong me so over the years sickens me to my soul so much that the only appealing afterlife is complete and utter oblivion, yet in spite of all that I continue to do good for good's sake and be a strong force for good for those around me, bettering the lives of my friends and family who love me and consider me a good person (which I feel I am yet surely mustn't be or else I wouldn't be punished so)?
Will I be granted the peace and freedom of nothingness and true isolation after being denied so much in life or will I be condemned to be united with that which I can't help but loathe in an eternal existence above or below that I dread through sheer stubbornness for not wanting to participate in His torturous games even though my good nature compells me to keep bettering humanity for the sake of humanity rather than for Him?
While I would rather get it in life (maybe I already am and I'm simply not as good as I think I am/try to be), this is comforting.
>being consistently denied the things I need
you covet that which is vanity.
you seem to harbour much hatred for your fellow man
try to live better and don't do good things for the expectation of reward. do good things because it's the right thing to do
your obsession with rewards for your penance will only prolong it
I get what you mean but I really don't do good things for rewards, I do them truly for the good of those that benefit from them, because I can't help it. I will continue to do them until I no longer am regardless of what I get out of it.
There are just certain things that Man needs to be fulfilled in life and I don't have them. I don't consider what I lack to be a reward more than a necessity to continue being and doing the good that I'm built for, so I guess after such long failure it begins to feel like a deserved reward that is being denied and I resort to blame, which is the source of my resentment. I really do just want to do good for good's sake but feel limited by the state I'm in, lacking that which Man needs and which would enable me to do so much more. I resent how it both hurts and limits me and it makes me want to flip the board. I love many of my fellow men but I suppose I struggle to turn the other cheek for those that I don't. I have a strong sense of empathy yet my capacity for forgiveness is limited and I cannot overcome that, I don't think I want to which may well be my sin.
Anyway enough blogposting from me. Thank you both for your time and insight, I will reflect on it.
>certain things man needs in life
if you have access to the internet and a pretty good comprehension of English you must be doing somewhat alright. It is hard in this life to just do what you can when you look around and see many getting much more than you. I hope you have a roof over your head and food to eat, and whilst it's no comfort to say there's many with much less, it's still a point to be said. You seem to want to do good for goodness sake and to help your community, and sometimes that's enough. Religion isn't some pass/fail test wherein if you're not mother Teresa you're doing it wrong and shouldn't try at all. Everyone tries their best each day and as long as you have hope that things can be better and you never lose that you're living with God. the "golden rule" is spoken of much for a good reason. There is nothing else anyone else needs. Treat others how you would like to be treated. If you're lonely join a church or attend a bible study. Do not turn inwardly and act selfishly out of anger, try your best to live a life you can be proud of when it is all said and done
>being consistently denied the things I need
you covet that which is vanity.
you seem to harbour much hatred for your fellow man
try to live better and don't do good things for the expectation of reward. do good things because it's the right thing to do
your obsession with rewards for your penance will only prolong it
John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Romans 3:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Romans 3:10 - as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one;
Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 5:8 - but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 10:9 - because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:13 - For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Romans 5:1 - Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 8:1 - There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Romans 8:38–39 - For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Live life the best you can according to Jesus's teachings. Read the 4 gospels to get the jist of it. Then go on a further knowledge path of Asian philosophy (Confucius, Buddha, Lao tse) on how to become a good human. Don't forget to get baptised too, because it would be a shame if you did all these preperations, but forgot the 'ticket at the door'.
Please pray for me, brothers. I have been struggling with addiction to pornography for years. I continually seek repentance, but I need the Holy Spirit's help to overcome temptation.
HOLY HECKIRINO! I LOVE Biblicaly Accurate Angels. But kind stranger I have a secret for you, true happiness and enjoyment comes from Fricking BIBLICALY ACCURATE Angels INSIDE Liminal Spaces TO the tunes of [Future Funk], [Lofi beats to study and relax to], AND [The Caretaker Everywhere at the End of Time 1-6]. For the record there is no better feeling in the known multiverse than sliding your BBC (BIG BASEDJACK wiener) inside the multi eyed rings of a 10/10 Ophanim qt moaning in a thousand ancient tongues while the sounds of [Mall soft] echo throughout an empty 90's mall.
>I fricking LOVE city pop! i cannot wait to go to tokyo and take pictures of the neon signs! go to the amazing arcades and buy drinks from the hecking vending machines! picture this - it is 1983. the rain is pattering against the window of a warm jazz bar in downtown tokyo. all of a sudden... plastic love starts playing. everything starts to make sense. life is good.
The problem I have with Christianity and all abrahamic religions is the concept of heaven, it's terrifying.
Seriously think about it for a moment. Consider the christian god is actually real and he somehow judges us to be good enough people to go to heaven and live in the afterlife forever. That'd be an absolute eldritch nightmare.
You're going to be in heaven FOREVER. You will have spoken to every human that ever lived, you will have experienced all things that you can experience. Maybe it would take a billion years, maybe trillions but IT WILL NEVER STOP. You can NEVER end the "heaven" nightmare. You will exist FOREVER with no way of you ever unplugging yourself in a comfy blanket of non-existence.
I get wanting to exist for a long time. But not FOREVER. Literally for ever and ever and ever and it will never ever stop. Trillions and trillions and trillions of years and you know it will last forever with no end in sight. What is there even to do after a while? Every possible experience you can experience will be experienced every person in heaven will eventually just lie around motionless and mindbroken on the ground after a couple billion years as everyone slowly loses their mind as they finally grasp the horror they landed in.
This is why I'm a nihilist. Not because I'm a pessimist but because I really fricking hope heaven doesn't exist because it's the scariest concept I can think of. If the christian god said that if you were faithful you would be granted non-existence after death and if you were evil you would be put in heaven I would be the most pious person ever.
But the fact that this horror is granted to you as a fricking reward is what makes it extra scary.
Please for the love of god let it be possible to actually stop existing.
you have no idea what its like to experience heaven. I dont believe its like life is now where you go on about your day for eternity. Its absolute bliss forever
>Its absolute bliss forever
The scary thing about it is precisely that it's forever, not that you might feel bad about it. It's an existence you can't escape from. You're FORCED to exist there forever. How's that good in any way?
heaven isn't some bullshit with fluffy clouds and the like where everyone has the force and can summon anything or do anything at any point in time
heaven is a state where you are with God and you are happy about it. if you're living an existential nightmare forever you aren't gonna b very happy about it are you?
Why would humans be able to get bored of Heaven? Is boredom tied to the human body (why stays behind) ? Why would heaven have a ground? Why would an infinity of human be left alone to lay on it for eternity?
I think you are conceptualizing Heaven through your human limitations. Heaven was not made by human hands or minds.
The point is more about forced permanent existence instead of having the choice to stop existing. Not about the floor or boredom directly.
It just feels "rapey" for god to force people to exist forever in some form he decided. It's a legitimate nightmare scenario, at least it is for me. Granted I have suicidal depression and just wanting to stop disappearing is my dream. A heaven or hell existing would ruin that for me.
>It just feels "rapey" for god to force people to exist forever in some form he decided
even if that were true, he is our creator and we're here to serve him.
God is an absolute force, you can disagree with it but you cant opt out of it.
Like gravity, you can disagree with it, you can hate it all you want, you'll still fall to your death if you jump of a building.
as a human you have absolutely no capacity to comprehend how heaven feels, There was one man who was givent the privilege of experiencing what it was to actually look at god and its far beyond our scope of understanding.
there's only one thing you can do, accept the lord and join his side, or reject him and burn, there is no third option
I agree with you. The concept of forever and infinity is so mindfrickingly scary I’d rather just choose non-existance. Maybe something similar to when before birth. But when I think about it that state was forever in some sense too so idk I’ll just go fap to big milkers
>god is "rapey" >I have crippling depression
I think I found your problem buddy you're so chronically depressed that you think that an all powerful being that loves us forever is too good to be true and you're humanizing God but he is not like us and does have our best intentions at heart. any heaven you would hate is not a heaven that exists
>engaged >wants to kill himself
you're a real piece of shit aren't you. stop being cowardly and leave if you're so miserable but from what you've said you'll be just as unhappy without a loving partner to care for your sad ass. Seek Christ
you should tell someone. your fiancé, family. you don’t have to persevere in a situation that is making you miserable. just be honest about how you feel so you don’t double down and become unable to escape it all
You are not going to cease to exist and what comes next is in your hands. We exist by God's will. Did you ask for birth? Rebirth? What about your genetic traits or your parents?
Is it rapey to exist? We are not alone in existance.
Why would the good exist if the bad is our only reward? Take heart Anon because Heaven is good and Hell is bad.
I agree with you. The concept of forever and infinity is so mindfrickingly scary I’d rather just choose non-existance. Maybe something similar to when before birth. But when I think about it that state was forever in some sense too so idk I’ll just go fap to big milkers
>godless athiests are either suicidally depressed or addicted to pornography
Means you should probably be kind to them instead of combative. It’s no wonder the modern world is filled with atheists because it’s depressing and isolating as frick. Men are being spiritually broken right now and attacking them won’t help that
you are thinking of eternity (timelessness) in terms of linear time. you aren’t in heaven for a trillion years. you are just there in a perpetual moment
The even bigger existential horror is not living being heaven forever but the iopposite which is hell, an outer darkness where there will be unending torment with weeping and gnashing of teeth, with the devil and all his minions, forever with no hope.
Angels in human form are also biblically accurate. The only people who jerk off all day to “biblically accurate” angels are Reddit onion boys who think they are deconstructing whiteness or some shit.
>Makes reconstruction of average israelite at the time >Calls it Jesus >puts it on a magazine cover and treats it like scientific truth
Yeah, it's bullshit.
>biblically accurate angels
literally only what Redditors say. Angels appear in human form often and to say ACKSHUALLY and then post some deviantart about how they're supposed to look
it should take place in the backrooms too
Okay so i might as well clear this up-
>biblically accurate angels are both humans and giant wheel things and massive mounds of feathered wings
>nine choirs of angels. The highest choirs attend and surround God's thrones. The lowest deal with the universe and humanity directly
>archangels are simultaneously the second lowest choir of angels and "the seven lamps who stand before God"
>we know only three names of the archangels (two if youre protestant), that is saint Michael (Satan's opponent), saint Gabriel (the messenger of good news) and st. Raphael (the patron saint of medicine). All the other names are either fan fiction or rumours, but notable examples include Uriel , jeremiel (guardian of the homes of the dead according to esdras 2) and Azrael, the Angel of death
>an angel can occupy several choirs at the same time, especially as an archangel, st. Michael is both the guardian angel of israel and thus a power, as well as an archangel.
>the higher choirs of angels look more esoteric because they surround God's throne , and represent his magnificence. The cherubim's four head represent the nature of the messiah
Practising catholic here. Ask me any questions about angels
how do I get an angel gf
It's easier to get an angel bf as a woman than an angel gf because that actually happened in the bible.
There are only two female angels in the bible, and both of them were evil who appeared in a vision to take a wooden casket with a woman inside (representing idolatry) , to be worshipped. They had the wings of storks, and thats Pretty much what we know about them.
wasn't Gabriel a female
That's just in Constantine (2005).
nuh uh it's also in Persona
>Playing persona unironically
I bet it's in SMT too
Gabriel is a man's name bro
I though angels were genderless, and the masculine names we here are all just Hebrew words for specific things
Mikael- he who is like god
Gavril-gods strength
that's fair
Gabriel was male. Always portrayed as a he unless by feminist spiritualists
The new testament is pure fanfiction, right?
Also is it true that satan was just some incel loser and not the king of hell?
The old testament is written in such a way that it needs a fulfilment in order to make sense. The new testament is that fulfilment. The israelites who didnt accept the new testament, later wrote stuff like the kabbalah and the talmud to haphazardly come up with solutions after the israeli temple was destroyed and the basis for following judaism alone degenerated.
Also yes Satan is an incels loser, but the bible actually describes him as "king of the world", in the sense that all demons and kings of the earth are subject to him. The story of the old and new testament is sort of a counter-revolution by God to rescue humanity from sin and Satan's thrall. Satan is very much an incel for the simple fact that he cant bare to see people happy, he tortures Job the prophet for this reason.
Higher choirs praise God unendingly, and reflect his majesty when he appears to man. Theyre rather like mirrors which reflect God's nature in a way man could comprehend It, like staring a picture of the sun instead of at the sun itself. Theyre pretty much attendants to a king. They contemplate the nature of God which they stare at directly. Theyre also a "literal" choir, in that they literally sing in God's name. Its said that Satan was a seraphim, which is the highest choir , but sometimes he's described as an archangel as well. With how the angelic choirs work, he could have been both.
The more you descend down the choirs, their roles become less heavenly and more celestial. Dominions control and organize lesser choirs of angels, virtues run the functions of the universe (probably something to do with the paths of the stars and the birth of heavenly bodies). Powers fight against the forces of evil, which include Satan and whatever other forces there are, like rahab.
So "incel" has nothing to do with having sex now and it's just a general insult?
OP Here. Not really. Its just the idea that blackpilled incels blame everything but themselves for whatever happens to them and take it out on society. I know other types of incels arent really that bad and obviously raise much better points than any feminist but im basically comparing Satan to Elliot rodgers- a pathetic, spiteful unreliable narrator
Where did angels come from? Can they die? What happens if they die?
Angels were created by God before he created humans, not exactly sure when. The muslims say God created them out of light, and thats possible. Angels cannot die, but Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire at the end times.
My recommendation is to get an study Bible (ESV, NASB, or NIV) and read it in the following order:
*read through Psalms and Proverbs continuously as you go through all of the rest*
*as you read through Old Testament books, you can skim through certain parts, especially genealogies and counts*
John
Genesis
Matthew
Exodus
Mark
Deuteronomy
Luke
Joshua
Judges
Ruth
1 Samuel
2 Samuel
1 Kings
2 Kings
Ezra
Nehemiah
Esther
Daniel
Hosea
Jonah
John (again)
Acts
Romans
1 Corinthians
2 Corinthians
Galatians
Ephesians
Philippians
Colossians
1 Thessalonians
2Thessalonians
1 Timothy
2 Timothy
Titus
Philemon
Hebrews
James
1 Peter
2 Peter
1 John
2 John
3 John
Jude
*read the following carefully with commentary/analysis available*
Revelation
Job
Ecclesiastes
Lamentations
Ezekiel
Joel
Amos
Obadiah
Micah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi
Revelation (again)
*just listen to the following on audio book if you wanna completely finish the Bible*
Leviticus
Numbers
1 Chronicles
2 Chronicles
Why would you start with John? That's where Hebraic tradition gets synthesized with Greek philosophy.
I prefer it over Matthew or Luke because it's shorter and gets straight into Jesus's adult ministry so someone who hasn't read the Bible before won't get bogged down with genealogies.
I prefer it over Mark because it starts out by identifying the divinity of Christ and our need for him as our savior right off the bat.
QRD on Leviticus? I see it brought up a lot by the left when they try and own Catholics
Catholics don't even read the fricken bible
Literally the israeli law which the israelites still follow. Catholics dont follow it to a "t" because Jesus came to fulfill the law, which means instead of looking at a bunch of fixed rules and feeling guilty about which ones you break and trying to find loopholes, that we realize that we cannot be made right with God by just being a good person and that Jesus died to make us right with God. Thus, we focus on being good and imitating Jesus without adhering to strict laws which were meant for ancient people. (Thus dietary laws save for laws against cannibalism and eating blood and eschewed, but moralistic teachings like avoiding sexual immorality is not). Its like pic related with the Law on the left and Jesus on the right.
I mean how is avoiding sin being a vegetable? You can still have fun and enjoy life, its encouraged throughout the bible, just don't be a hedonist and be selfish
>Literally the israeli law which the israelites still follow
Jews follow laws rabbis tell them to follow
Also, read the deuterocanonical books if you want to be catholic
John has to be read after the the other Gospels, not before.
See:
But you could just as easily go:
Matthew
Genesis
Mark
Exodus
Luke
Deuteronomy
John
Joshua
other OT books from the list
one of the gospels again
Acts
and so on
lol why do evangelicals keep leading people straight to John
What's the purpose of those in the upper choirs? What do they do?
Seraphim - Fly around the Throne of God crying "holy, holy, holy."
Cherubim - guarded the Garden of Eden and transport God's throne.
Thrones - function like wheels under the Throne of God.
Dominations - Regulate the duties of lower angels.
Virtues - Control the elements and govern the cosmos to maintain order.
Powers - Have power over evil forces and fight against them.
Why does God have such excessive pomp if he's almighty by himself
He's not almighty. Judaism is cosmologically polytheistic, but the israelites are forbidden from paying homage to any god but Yahweh, so he's constantly trying to impress his people and scare them into obedience.
What even is a god if he only rules over a single small tribe and it's areas while bickering with other gods
>He's not almighty
Wrong.
>Judaism is cosmologically polytheistic
The lesser gods are real because they're demons.
>Jews are forbidden from paying homage to any god but Yahweh
Yes.
Cope, mald, ratio
He's the creator of all that exists. He is Lord of the cosmos. No amount of pomp is excessive.
If God is operating on such high levels of power and esoteric shit, why would he ever care about our life problems and the prayers we address him?
Jesus says that asking God something is like a child asking something to his parents, but I don’t recal my dad creating the cosmos or commanding legions of eldritch abominations with 10000 eyes
Technically God is your dad as well.
It's like asking that just because your dad is a CEO with thousands of people on his payroll that its impossible to think that he could care about his own biological children.
Love just surpasses all things
Who says he does? He canonically created 9 levels of separation between us and him just so he doesn’t have to deal with us directly and can focus on other shit while the angels deal with us
Why is he concerned with pomp when there's no one to see it?
yo God we heard you like wheels.. so we put some wheels in your wheels!
A good chunk of it is simply we cannot comprehend a supreme being of that level. The thrones and cherubim could very well be anchors to allow any sort of physical presence to exist directly in our world.
>Practising catholic here
Frick the angels, what are your genuine opinions on the Second Vatican Council?
Not him, but all of that happened thanks to the first Vatican council that gave complete infallibility to the pope
OP here, there are some good ideas in It, but its largely just the council being vague on matters of spirituality to placate liberals and other religions. Not a good guideline, though im not gonna go sedevecantist for it
Holy heck! IVE BEEN SAYING THE EXACT THING FOR YEARS!!!
So morons not get that humanoid angels are biblically accurate too
Aren’t the normal angels and archangels the lowest two on the choir so they get sent to deal with humanity’s bullshit and so they look like humans? Meanwhile the higher up ones are more abstract, and the highest up ones never even appear to humans outside of being mentioned as existing. Pretty sure the highest tier of Angel that revealed its self to a human was a dominion which is just mid tier overall
>Aren’t the normal angels and archangels the lowest two on the choir so they get sent to deal with humanity’s bullshit and so they look like humans
No, in Christianity and in the Abrahamic religions the human form is considered sacred and akin to the image of God. God literally made us in his image and that does apply to the different roles of angels as well. The choir's hierarchy applies to their closeness to God, angels close to God are in fact often depicted in the Bible as in a human form. Since they are incorporeal they choose which form to take depending on the situation. They can either be some kind of awe inspiring concept given form or else human and relatable. The bottom line is that the somewhat incomprehensible nature of the divine still has a human basis even when the overwhelming power of these beings is depicted as terrifying and otherworldly. No one has made fiction surround the lore of the angels I think mainly due to the fact that most people have not read the Bible or have a decent understanding of Abrahamic theology , it would be very controversial in all honesty. It's a matter of faith which is inherently irrational.
It would be absolutely kino but trying to make that would be such a pain in the ass you have no idea
I read that they just look like fire
>God burns things by means of fire; fire is moved by the motion of the sphere; the sphere is moved by means of a disembodied intellect, these intellects being the 'angels which are near to Him', through whose mediation the spheres move ... thus totally disembodied minds exist which emanate from God and are the intermediaries between God and all the bodies [objects] here in this world.
They choose what forms they want to reveal to us, in Christian mythology in specific their true forms are somewhat unknowable and can only be partially comprehend by different people as per the will of the Holy Spirit. If you take their depictions literally they're a lot of different things , more than just fire
>human body
>made in the image of god
>shits out of a hole right next to sex zone
>penis naturally covered in skin that makes man pee all over his own penis
>urethra placed above vegana in the vulva so gravity makes pee go all over and sometimes into vegana
>butthole literally opens first when developing in the womb
>burps, farts, pukes, barks, makes other sounds that are among the most laughably stupid compared to nearly every other animal on earth
what did christcucks mean by this
if god looks like a human I will sodomize him
>Narcissist assumes normal bodily functions are disgusting due to his own neurosis instead just a pretty logical fact of biology that unites us with the rest of life
>Nooo shit and piss is weird and gross , why aren't we just sterile robots?
Even if you take Christianity out of the factor, which I don't believe in btw, you're a fricking OCD riddled moron.
attacking me and not the argument. pretty cowardly imho
>Narcissist is so self obsessed he doesn't even realize he's not the main subject of the criticism he's being given
Topkek. It's illogical to assume that normal bodily functions are inherently disgusting and not a part of life. The fact you have a basic grasp of human anatomy doesn't change that - the basis of your argument is inherently neurotic.
who said anything about being logical? humans aren’t logical. logic is a tool to be used, or not used, and since we’re discussing the veracity of religious claims, we abandoned the realm of logic several stops ago.
you also keep insisting that I’m narcissistic, and it’s pretty weird. I literally never used the words
>weird
or
>gross
so I guess you’re just arguing with your own version of what I said? however, if we take a look at human behavior in aggregate, the average person definitely believes poop is gross. the average person is so disgusted by poop that human beings literally invented a convoluted system of pipes and waterways to magically make the poop disappear we seem to despise it so much. funny, that!
imo God gave humans the example of a heavenly body (pic related), in fact we used to literally call them heavenly bodies. bodies that don’t need to eat, bodies with waste that both nourishes and annihilates life, bodies that provide all the warmth of the day and the lights of the night, bodies that literally bend reality into a loop that traps puny little rocks like the one we’re stuck on, barking about how God made us super duper special even though we shit, piss, cry, and kill like every other cursed creature on this hell planet
>I literally never used the words
>or
No you just heavily insinuated it you pedantic homosexual lmao. You know exactly what you were arguing.
>the average person definitely believes poop is gross
Never met a German have you?
>the average person is so disgusted by poop that human beings literally invented a convoluted system of pipes and waterways to magically make the poop disappear we seem to despise it so much.
Yeah, you think the human body and it's functions are gross and assume you know more than God or else evolution if you're atheistic. That's why you're a narcissist because you assume way too much of your own intelligence - which isn't a lot apparently. Waste management is a modern construct we developed mostly due to the insights provided by Germ Theory. Before that, yeah we literally just had shit in the streets or in different open cesspits and thought that was okay unless there was a foul odor - miasma theory. The bodily functions of humans and most mammals aren't that disgusting unless you're an extremely neurotic and sheltered person. The argument of the existence of waste disproving God? Kind of a dead giveaway that you're that type of person lmao
>imo God gave humans the example of a heavenly body (pic related), in fact we used to literally call them heavenly bodies. bodies that don’t need to eat, bodies with waste that both nourishes and annihilates
What are you a member of Heavens Gate? You wouldn't happen to be a closeted gay man trying to convince people to cut their wiener off would you? The human body from either a religious or purely secular viewpoint is actually pretty amazing and yeah that does include the bodies ability to process and manage waste
When you come to Los Angeles you can suck my wiener.
I can't, you're from Los Angeles you've probably already cut it off
Nope. It's stiff right now.
What from rigor mortis
Why are you thinking about rotten zombie dicks
>calling someone a coward for making fun of you on Cinemaphile
Lmfao why do atheists take this shit so fricking seriously? You are arguing with other autists on the incel anime forum. Chill out
, farts, pukes, barks, makes other sounds that are among the most laughably stupid compared to nearly every other animal on earth
All mammals make those sounds anon.
Humans can sing.
>inb4 birds can sing
They also piss, shit, and frick in the same hole so, they're a beta version.
That's only after Adam was split to make Eve. The pre-surgery Adam with his feminine half is what god really looks like(this is why god uses third person pronouns). We only really look like God when we are with our other half
>We only really look like God when we are with our other half
Deep and based
The higher choirs aren’t even that abstract looking. Seraphim are just angels with six wings instead of two like angels and archangels. Cherubim have 4 wings a 3 extra faces mimicking animals. Dominations, virtues, principalities and powers are look like angels/archangels but just have a different title. The only weird ones are thrones, lowest in the 1st sphere/third overall, and they arguably aren’t even angels themselves but rather extensions of the cherubim that move gods throne around.
>These "wheels" have been associated with Daniel 7:9 (mentioned as galgal, traditionally "the wheels of galgallin", in "fiery flame" and "burning fire") of the four, eye-covered wheels (each composed of two nested wheels), that move next to the winged Cherubim, beneath the throne of God. The four wheels move with the Cherubim because the spirit of the Cherubim is in them.
>extensions of the cherubim that move gods throne around
That's the first time ever I hear about God's throne. Wheels moving it? What the.
Well if you’re the creator of everything and spend your time just chilling on a throne all day, it’d make sense you’d want to move it around from time to time. Might as well give those wheels sentience and make them sing your praises all the time as well
Damn this biblical lore sounds spooky. Is it worth reading the Bible for stuff like this?
Stop being a fool. The bible has inspired countless stories. It's worth reading regardless.
Real nice way to get him to read it, dick. Insult the guy first.
Highest orders:
>Seraphim
Six winged beasts.
>Cherubim
Two pairs of wings and four faces (lion, ox, human, and eagle)
>Thrones
Wheels within wheels covered in eyes.
Middle orders:
>Dominions
No physical description.
>Virtues
No physical description.
>Powers
No physical description.
Lowest orders:
>Principalities
No physical description, but can probably look human.
>Archangels
Look human.
>Angels
Look human.
Archangels are the highest order, I thought.
Not in most traditions. It's interesting to note that the Archangel Michael can go toe to toe with Satan, despite being a lower order angel. It demonstrates how futile Lucifer's rebellion against God is.
I'm pretty sure the orders of the angel only imply closeness to God. Lucifer used to be one of the closest angels to God before his rebellion, it's not some kind of power scaling hierarchy like in an anime or something.
This. First sphere basically hang out next to god all day, second sphere are busy making sure creation is doing ok over all, third sphere deal directly with humanity as messengers. There’s nothing saying Michael, Gabriel or even some average Angel couldn’t take a seraphim (the guys that are directly next to god) in a fight
I suppose a lot of my lore is from trash like Supernatural and Sunday school. Never was into it enough to take theology proper.
If the other spheres of angels were so absolutely powerful over Lucifer and the other angels, why did the wars even happen? Shouldn't it have been a very quick flip of the figurative wrist?
Completely wrong moron
Michael is the one destined to destroy Satan on judgement day
even when Satan confronted Michael at the body of Moses, mere words from were enough to banish Satan away
Michael doesnt frick around
>Dominions
No physical description.
>Virtues
No physical description.
>Powers
No physical description.
Lowest orders:
>Principalities
No physical description, but can probably look human.
These are all catholic fanfiction tho and not mentioned in the bible to begin with
>Archangels
>plural
there is only one Archangel, Michael, he is also a seraphim. The previous one to hold the Archangel title was Lucifer before he was cast down
What are you talking about? Every Orthodox Christian church has Archangels Michael and Gabriel on their doors to the altar. I think there are also two others named in the scriptures.
Only Michael is refered to as Archangel
absolutely fricking BASED true canon believer
I can't believe it took me this long to find this post
Schizo fantasies from desert likes 4000 years ago
But that was because romans and greeks
>Nike is the the goddess of victory, strength, speed and war in Greek mythology and the archetypal portrayal of the Abrahamic angels. As the deity of victory, Nike's greatest feat was in the Titan War, in which she served as the gods' personal charioteer. It is said that without Nike, the gods couldn't have won the war with the Titans.
Also , Yukiko is the best Persona 1 character
Angelic humanoids with wings were described in the old testament as well, its just that angelic clothing was copied from Roman art.
Why does this male Christ cucks seethe so much
it literally doesn't
because they're not that accurate.
Just watch Evangelion?
this
>le midwit magnet cartoon
Frick off homosexual
it's not cartoons
it's anime
In Islam, God doesn't have a physical form. Does he have one in Christianity?
God is not of this world, he creates incarnations
He can if he wants to, and he did when he chose to live on earth as a man named Jesus.
Jesus is a prophet in Islam and the Bible is incorporated into it as such. Allah is a being of infinity and mystery, we are both in his image and he is in an indescribable non physical form as something that came before the existence of time.
In the Bible it says we were created in His image, we see him as the Father so obviously in art is portrayed as such
I always thought that "his image" meant in a copyright sense, and that's why he got so mad when he felt others were moving in on his IP
Allah is literally described to have two right hands, look it up
I'm really trying to understand the psyche of someone who posts this thread all the time. I bet you live in a dirty house.
Those are all artistic libertied out the ass.
Nowhere does it ever mention giant eyes in the center, or at that the rings are larger withing smaller one, in fact it specifically states they are all the same size which indicates it looks more like a chain.
>He takes the depictions of angels in English literally
They're always an artistic liberty in any language the Bible has been in. Biblical literalism is a cancer, even Augustine in all of his autism disliked it
You mean Evangelion?
Why would God send angels to give a message looking like that? The abstract looking Angels only appear in epic visions and dreams
>Why would god send an angel in the form of their divine might to inspire people?
Never been much of a public speaker have ya?
These suck because most of the descriptions say that they're burning and bright as hell
>He wants his webms to literally blind him and be as powerful as what angels revealing their heavenly form would be irl
Most descriptions of angels are akin to a small child trying to explain something. It's never a complete thought, as the form in and of itself is incomprehensible. So really there isn't a right way to depict them, and the people who wrote the OT did their best. Imagine if Moses had to describe a helicopter pointing a spotlight at him at night? He'd come up with some wild shit.
Still "fire" is a recurring thing. The Zoroastrians had the same idea.
A lot of those webms are on fire if you look closer.
God and angels aren't real. Have sex.
God is real and will get you laid if you pray hard enough
The ophanim are only mentioned sparingly in the old testament, never in the new testament, and don't act as normal angels such as Gabriel.
Reddit quite literally don't know what they're talking about when they coom over MUH HECKIN CREEPY ANGELS
"Angel" simply means messenger, and G-d reveals all sorts of entities to mortals throughout israeli mythology.
>biblically accurate angels
>scientifically accurate dinosaurs
>mature anime
>lost media
>unconventional christmas movies
>uncanny valley
>liminal spaces
>mandela effect
>strangely familiar places
>junji ito
>akira
>neon evangilion
>serial experiment lain
>so bad its good
>the pope exists in the car universe
>prequel memes
>gaslighting
>Cinemaphilecore
>trust the science
>just let people enjoy things
>sus
>techwear
>cumtown
>creed aventus
>based
>who would win walter white or tony soprano
>pirating indie games is immoral
>its fun with friends
>its a good X game but it falls flat as a Y game
>japanese movie posters
>this scene of Vito from The Sopranos kind of looks like Star Wars!
>Cinemaphile is a bad board
>copium
>racism outside /b/ not allowed
>christianity/mormonism/scientology is just like a cult
>lofi hip hop
>plastic love
>tomboys
>john lennon was a wife beater
>nobody:
>who hurt you
>I bet you're fun at parties
>I don't really care about politics, it makes me unhappy
>misinformation spreads quicker than real information
>Penguinz0
>frankenstein is the scientist not the monster
>y'all
>reporting soijak spammers isnt reddit
>Ed Edd n Eddy took place in purgatory
>gaslighting
>gatekeeping
>food analogies are bad
>it’s a wyvern not a dragon
>trans rights are human rights
>snowpiercer is willy wonka!
>thrawn
>minimalist movie posters
>slowburn psychological A24 horror
>lovecraftian
>gameplay loop
>Burning (2018)
>whoah this is just like a real life black mirror
>serial killer/true crime documentaries and podcasts
>video essay
>peer reviewed
>bechdel test
>movie is actually about capitalism/consumerism/colonialism
>newspeak
>genre deconstruction
>Starship Troopers is a satire of fascism
>you put gaslighting on there twice
>calling an opinion a “take”
>let’s unpack this
>Come and See (1985)
>saying a song hits/slaps/bops
>>muh sekrit club
>pandemic
>greg heffley is a sociopath
>pacifist playthrough
>oral history
>story beats
>junji ito is onions and reddit
have a nice day.
>popular offbeat subcultures
>homosexualy phrases
>lame opinions / theories that people think are clever
meds
>having an opinion is Reddit/basedboy tier
>?
so, you can't have an opinion? Sounds moronic and homosexual like you
How accurate is this video?
as accurate as my bent dick
These looks like a mushroom trip
Top left looks SUSPICIOUSLY like the warp engine in Event Horizon, bravo whoever made that film
>Top left looks SUSPICIOUSLY like the warp engine in Event Horizon, bravo whoever made that film
It was entirely on purpose and tbh it's low hanging fruit. Humans love wheels and spheres spinning around each other
Pretty sure this was in one of the star trek as well
I had one on my desk one time
Or an armillary sphere, or an gyroscope.
Angels vs demons movie when
What's a good name for a ninja chick
Chino
Kumomi
The Bible is Cinemaphile, anyone who can't appreciate Ecclesiastes or Psalms is an idiotn
Yuffie
I prefer the Olympics logo interpretation.
I like the idea that Ezekiel saw aliens
>it was all heckin aliens bro
boring
I am gay I like to stick my dick in men's buttholes
>Visual depictions
How do you even know we'll have eyes in Heaven? What's an eternity anyway? How long does it last when you're in an existence lacking linear time?
I mean if God gets bored he can frick off with the whole thing whenever. What even happens in Hell?
All this shit is pretty vague. Being omniscient sounds boring.
on some of my trips i saw a bunch of eye balls , does that got anything some of the ophanim shit
maybe
I fricked a kiwi woman and she said kiwi blokes have little dicks
kiwi women are the most promiscuous women
Main question to the guys here that know shit, how to avoid hell?
I don’t want to take any chances
Embrace the Lord.
Accept that youre a sinner.
That no-one can ever atone completely for all the sin they have done.
Accept that Jesus Christ died for that sin.
Realize that you've already been forgiven.
Go and sin no more
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.catholic.com/tract/how-to-become-a-catholic&ved=2ahUKEwiD58_x4974AhWpRWwGHUxxCUwQFnoECCEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3-zJKTxsB278XcpDMEnuBp
Ah yes but see the sin no more part is quite a hassle. You’re basically saying to stop living my life and become a vegetable. Can I embrace the lord on my deathbed?
Where will I end up after death given that despite my efforts to pray and embrace God and love him in the face of the seemingly unending trials and punishiment over nearly 30 years of genuine guilt and honest repentance for my sins, but being so consistently denied the only things I truly want/need that I can't help but resent Him and all of existence, and the idea of being embraced and reuinited in any sort of afterlife with Him or a collective of his repugnant creations who have continued to wrong me so over the years sickens me to my soul so much that the only appealing afterlife is complete and utter oblivion, yet in spite of all that I continue to do good for good's sake and be a strong force for good for those around me, bettering the lives of my friends and family who love me and consider me a good person (which I feel I am yet surely mustn't be or else I wouldn't be punished so)?
Will I be granted the peace and freedom of nothingness and true isolation after being denied so much in life or will I be condemned to be united with that which I can't help but loathe in an eternal existence above or below that I dread through sheer stubbornness for not wanting to participate in His torturous games even though my good nature compells me to keep bettering humanity for the sake of humanity rather than for Him?
What will be my ultimate reward/punishment?
you get rewarded/punished with absolute perfect justice. You will get what you deserve, nothing more nothing less
While I would rather get it in life (maybe I already am and I'm simply not as good as I think I am/try to be), this is comforting.
I get what you mean but I really don't do good things for rewards, I do them truly for the good of those that benefit from them, because I can't help it. I will continue to do them until I no longer am regardless of what I get out of it.
There are just certain things that Man needs to be fulfilled in life and I don't have them. I don't consider what I lack to be a reward more than a necessity to continue being and doing the good that I'm built for, so I guess after such long failure it begins to feel like a deserved reward that is being denied and I resort to blame, which is the source of my resentment. I really do just want to do good for good's sake but feel limited by the state I'm in, lacking that which Man needs and which would enable me to do so much more. I resent how it both hurts and limits me and it makes me want to flip the board. I love many of my fellow men but I suppose I struggle to turn the other cheek for those that I don't. I have a strong sense of empathy yet my capacity for forgiveness is limited and I cannot overcome that, I don't think I want to which may well be my sin.
Anyway enough blogposting from me. Thank you both for your time and insight, I will reflect on it.
>certain things man needs in life
if you have access to the internet and a pretty good comprehension of English you must be doing somewhat alright. It is hard in this life to just do what you can when you look around and see many getting much more than you. I hope you have a roof over your head and food to eat, and whilst it's no comfort to say there's many with much less, it's still a point to be said. You seem to want to do good for goodness sake and to help your community, and sometimes that's enough. Religion isn't some pass/fail test wherein if you're not mother Teresa you're doing it wrong and shouldn't try at all. Everyone tries their best each day and as long as you have hope that things can be better and you never lose that you're living with God. the "golden rule" is spoken of much for a good reason. There is nothing else anyone else needs. Treat others how you would like to be treated. If you're lonely join a church or attend a bible study. Do not turn inwardly and act selfishly out of anger, try your best to live a life you can be proud of when it is all said and done
>being consistently denied the things I need
you covet that which is vanity.
you seem to harbour much hatred for your fellow man
try to live better and don't do good things for the expectation of reward. do good things because it's the right thing to do
your obsession with rewards for your penance will only prolong it
Accept that our Lord Jesus died for our sins. Try your best to not sin and live a good life where your presence is helpful to those around you
Accept Jesus as your Lord and savior.
John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Romans 3:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Romans 3:10 - as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one;
Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 5:8 - but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 10:9 - because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:13 - For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Romans 5:1 - Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 8:1 - There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Romans 8:38–39 - For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Live life the best you can according to Jesus's teachings. Read the 4 gospels to get the jist of it. Then go on a further knowledge path of Asian philosophy (Confucius, Buddha, Lao tse) on how to become a good human. Don't forget to get baptised too, because it would be a shame if you did all these preperations, but forgot the 'ticket at the door'.
just make a lovecraft movie
What are some canonical demons and descriptions in the Bible?
Please pray for me, brothers. I have been struggling with addiction to pornography for years. I continually seek repentance, but I need the Holy Spirit's help to overcome temptation.
There are ways to help with porn addiction, asking for prayer on Cinemaphile isn't one of them.
Jews wouldn’t allow it to be made because it would make people question if their beliefs are total schizo horseshit.
HOLY HECKIRINO! I LOVE Biblicaly Accurate Angels. But kind stranger I have a secret for you, true happiness and enjoyment comes from Fricking BIBLICALY ACCURATE Angels INSIDE Liminal Spaces TO the tunes of [Future Funk], [Lofi beats to study and relax to], AND [The Caretaker Everywhere at the End of Time 1-6]. For the record there is no better feeling in the known multiverse than sliding your BBC (BIG BASEDJACK wiener) inside the multi eyed rings of a 10/10 Ophanim qt moaning in a thousand ancient tongues while the sounds of [Mall soft] echo throughout an empty 90's mall.
>I fricking LOVE city pop! i cannot wait to go to tokyo and take pictures of the neon signs! go to the amazing arcades and buy drinks from the hecking vending machines! picture this - it is 1983. the rain is pattering against the window of a warm jazz bar in downtown tokyo. all of a sudden... plastic love starts playing. everything starts to make sense. life is good.
>Nobody mentioned Knowing
Thsi was rated badly
This shit was funny when it was a outlier meme but now that normies know about it it's nowhere near as entertaining
From what i understand these angels aren't even the "normal" angels, they're the top-tier highranking gigachad ones
the real title of these threads should be "100% original angel ideas do not steal".
A Found footage horror movie with a biblically accurate angel as the “antagonist”?
The problem I have with Christianity and all abrahamic religions is the concept of heaven, it's terrifying.
Seriously think about it for a moment. Consider the christian god is actually real and he somehow judges us to be good enough people to go to heaven and live in the afterlife forever. That'd be an absolute eldritch nightmare.
You're going to be in heaven FOREVER. You will have spoken to every human that ever lived, you will have experienced all things that you can experience. Maybe it would take a billion years, maybe trillions but IT WILL NEVER STOP. You can NEVER end the "heaven" nightmare. You will exist FOREVER with no way of you ever unplugging yourself in a comfy blanket of non-existence.
I get wanting to exist for a long time. But not FOREVER. Literally for ever and ever and ever and it will never ever stop. Trillions and trillions and trillions of years and you know it will last forever with no end in sight. What is there even to do after a while? Every possible experience you can experience will be experienced every person in heaven will eventually just lie around motionless and mindbroken on the ground after a couple billion years as everyone slowly loses their mind as they finally grasp the horror they landed in.
This is why I'm a nihilist. Not because I'm a pessimist but because I really fricking hope heaven doesn't exist because it's the scariest concept I can think of. If the christian god said that if you were faithful you would be granted non-existence after death and if you were evil you would be put in heaven I would be the most pious person ever.
But the fact that this horror is granted to you as a fricking reward is what makes it extra scary.
Please for the love of god let it be possible to actually stop existing.
you have no idea what its like to experience heaven. I dont believe its like life is now where you go on about your day for eternity. Its absolute bliss forever
>Its absolute bliss forever
The scary thing about it is precisely that it's forever, not that you might feel bad about it. It's an existence you can't escape from. You're FORCED to exist there forever. How's that good in any way?
You probably wont experience it like that though, God and heaven are above space and time
heaven isn't some bullshit with fluffy clouds and the like where everyone has the force and can summon anything or do anything at any point in time
heaven is a state where you are with God and you are happy about it. if you're living an existential nightmare forever you aren't gonna b very happy about it are you?
Why would humans be able to get bored of Heaven? Is boredom tied to the human body (why stays behind) ? Why would heaven have a ground? Why would an infinity of human be left alone to lay on it for eternity?
I think you are conceptualizing Heaven through your human limitations. Heaven was not made by human hands or minds.
The point is more about forced permanent existence instead of having the choice to stop existing. Not about the floor or boredom directly.
It just feels "rapey" for god to force people to exist forever in some form he decided. It's a legitimate nightmare scenario, at least it is for me. Granted I have suicidal depression and just wanting to stop disappearing is my dream. A heaven or hell existing would ruin that for me.
>It just feels "rapey" for god to force people to exist forever in some form he decided
even if that were true, he is our creator and we're here to serve him.
>even if that were true, he is our creator and we're here to serve him.
Doesn't really help your case
God is an absolute force, you can disagree with it but you cant opt out of it.
Like gravity, you can disagree with it, you can hate it all you want, you'll still fall to your death if you jump of a building.
as a human you have absolutely no capacity to comprehend how heaven feels, There was one man who was givent the privilege of experiencing what it was to actually look at god and its far beyond our scope of understanding.
there's only one thing you can do, accept the lord and join his side, or reject him and burn, there is no third option
I agree with you. The concept of forever and infinity is so mindfrickingly scary I’d rather just choose non-existance. Maybe something similar to when before birth. But when I think about it that state was forever in some sense too so idk I’ll just go fap to big milkers
>god is "rapey"
>I have crippling depression
I think I found your problem buddy you're so chronically depressed that you think that an all powerful being that loves us forever is too good to be true and you're humanizing God but he is not like us and does have our best intentions at heart. any heaven you would hate is not a heaven that exists
I will pray for you
have you considered going outside, joining a softball league, getting a girlfriend and stop being a whiny homosexual?
Why are you making assumptions. I have a 9-5 well paying job, my mortgage is almost paid off and I'm engaged.
Yet i'm fricking miserable and very close to just ending it all.
you're still being a whining homosexual anon
Go to church
break off the engagement you selfish prick
>engaged
>wants to kill himself
you're a real piece of shit aren't you. stop being cowardly and leave if you're so miserable but from what you've said you'll be just as unhappy without a loving partner to care for your sad ass. Seek Christ
>local man figures out that man does not live on bread alone
honestly break off the engagement if you have the slightest respect for the woman
you should tell someone. your fiancé, family. you don’t have to persevere in a situation that is making you miserable. just be honest about how you feel so you don’t double down and become unable to escape it all
You are not going to cease to exist and what comes next is in your hands. We exist by God's will. Did you ask for birth? Rebirth? What about your genetic traits or your parents?
Is it rapey to exist? We are not alone in existance.
Why would the good exist if the bad is our only reward? Take heart Anon because Heaven is good and Hell is bad.
>godless athiests are either suicidally depressed or addicted to pornography
many such cases!
Means you should probably be kind to them instead of combative. It’s no wonder the modern world is filled with atheists because it’s depressing and isolating as frick. Men are being spiritually broken right now and attacking them won’t help that
>it’s depressing and isolating as frick
maybe go to church then, join the community. See what faith gives you.
you are thinking of eternity (timelessness) in terms of linear time. you aren’t in heaven for a trillion years. you are just there in a perpetual moment
The even bigger existential horror is not living being heaven forever but the iopposite which is hell, an outer darkness where there will be unending torment with weeping and gnashing of teeth, with the devil and all his minions, forever with no hope.
the devil isnt the one torturing you, he's being tortured just like you, he's just the highest security prisoner
Angels in human form are also biblically accurate. The only people who jerk off all day to “biblically accurate” angels are Reddit onion boys who think they are deconstructing whiteness or some shit.
Paradise lost with biblically accurate angels would be kino
How about Biblically accurate demons?
>I think a movie about biblically accurate jesus is long overdue
>creator of the picture is israeli
figures
>Makes reconstruction of average israelite at the time
>Calls it Jesus
>puts it on a magazine cover and treats it like scientific truth
Yeah, it's bullshit.
>biblically accurate angels
literally only what Redditors say. Angels appear in human form often and to say ACKSHUALLY and then post some deviantart about how they're supposed to look
seek Christ redditor scum
Last one is the best creature design since the xenomorph
Maybe the angels are the real devils, makes you think.
Well demons are nothing more but the third of angels who followed satan in his failed rebellion
study the book of revelations anons, the final days are upon us
repent and seek Christ
>biblically accurate angels
>the backrooms
Just got off the phone with god
Bayonnetta did a good job
they literally featured them live on a tv show
the topic of biblical accurate angels is so fascinating, I wish I could find more interesting theories and literature about it
>I wish I could find more interesting theories and literature about it
Have you tried the Bible?
Goatse angel top right