I think I'm gonna apologize. I didn't realize how good we had it, even in the first season even the fans of the show considered mediocre at the time.
>non-cano-ACK
You have She-Hulk and Love and Thunder. That's your canon. Live with it.
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should I go back and finish it
>S6 and 7
The last two seasons are the most fun. And also the shortest. Go for it anon!
6 and 7 are great.
More or less the writers didn't give a frick (in a good way) and started doing shit for the hell of it. There are several episodes that are them doing things they only a show that doesn't fear or care about cancellation would do.
I watched the first episode yesterday and I don't think I'll watch another. This show existing, to me, is proof that Marvel's been pretty sucky for a lot longer than a majority of people are willing to admit.
The extremis guy's speech is great, and it's made even better knowing that SHIELD was basically Hydra the whole time. But that's about it. Everything else just felt like every other ABC show.
Everyone agrees that the first 5-6 episodes of Agents of Shield are dull. You have to remember that Winter Soldier dropped in the middle of the first season: the curtain had not been pulled back yet. Everything that happens in the season before the reveal gives the viewer a false sense of status quo, which is rapidly upended when the show reveals what it is actually going to be doing.
Honestly, you can drop into "Turn Turn Turn" and start from there if you just want to start "en media res" where all the action happens. Everything beforehand is character introduction and characterization to establish the family. Daisy's background as the adopted, the glamour of the legendary Calvary, the adorkable superior wit of FitzSimmons, and super dad.
Agents of Shield worked because it was one show that aired for a really long time and did a great job of explaining the MCU, mainly Hydra, from a background perspective. I don't understand how Disney went from this to the utter trash shows on their streaming service.
>I don't understand how Disney went from this to the utter trash shows on their streaming service.
Streaming shows have almost no relation to network tv, they exist in their own unique ecosystem. Network TV drops an episode a week with occasional stopping points and gaps, and episodes could end up being viewed out of order easily. So Network TV tends to aim for short, contained episodes with a strong status quo, longer serialized narratives taking a long time to take root in the industry.
Streaming shows, meanwhile, often drop all at once and there is no need for a status quo before there is no need for an episodic structure. Many streaming shows are essentially just movies with a bunch of padding and filler to stretch it to a longer runtime whether the story needs it or not, and such shows very often only have one plot from start to finish that just takes a very long time to resolve as opposed to a story-per-episode formula.
Streaming shows, therefore, are a formula that older hands at show writing are unfamiliar with, and its a formula that encourages/allows for weak writing because the formula itself covers your flaws. You only need to engage your audience enough for them to let autoplay carry them to the next episode, not keep them interested enough to tune int he same time next week.
It's also worth mentioning that streaming networks are fricking leeches. They get the network tv shows license so that they themselves don't need to improve themselves.
It's kindof funny how their was a huge quality drop in the MCU after endgame. The shows and movies were average with few great films/episodes here and there, but then after the MCU, it took a massive nosedive in quality. Everything starts shitting the bed hard in a way that's impossible to recover from, worse offender being Secret Invasion. What exactly caused the quality drop? How do you frick up a formula for success this badly?
COVID, thinking fans will be ready to IMMEDIATELY jump into the next phase, no clear overarching goal, jumping into Multiverse too early, too many shows at once, hiring people that don't want to work on Marvel, no planning, Chadwick dying.
It was a combination of 2 3 things:
The first elephant int he room that does need to be said is that not long after Endgame covid killed movie theaters for like 2 years. This killed all of the hype and momentum at a crucial time, which does not explain or excuse the drop in quality but DID magnify the impact of the drop in quality in terms of audience engagement because they had 2 years to cool off on the franchise instead of being carried by the honeymoon period after endgame.
So covid was bad luck, but the second point was always going to be unavoidable: with the Thanos arc over, it was time to rotate out a bunch of characters/start to fill gaps left behind by characters that had already been written out. This was always going to be a big transitory period of the MCU, and it was always a long shot that the new cast of core characters was going to be as well liked and well established as the ones getting replaced that audiences had 10 years of attachment to. The new cast including more female leads was fine, especially since the first 4 phases were extremely weak in that regard, but the NARRATIVE around the advertising there was extremely tone deaf and created friction where it did not need to exist.
But the real problem, the one that SHOULD have been easily avoidable, is this: whats the plan, guys? Is there a plan, even? Because it doesn't feel like there is one. We had 5 movies at the start of the MCU before we got the first Avengers movie: 4 intro movies and one sequel, and then our big payoff. After endgame we have.... I think 7 movies so far, and about 10 disney+ shows that are being treated as equally canon (with heavy crossover between the movies and shows at this point)... and where is our payoff? We have 3 major unrelated storylines going on (Spiderman, Strange, and Kang) plus a bunch of standalone stuff that doesn't appear to be interacting with anyone else. Nothing feels like it is building up to anything, or building off of anything.
the quality if anything went up, people are just tired of the MCU
>the quality if anything went up,
No
Are you are using "No Way Home" as your proof? That wasn't the quality going up, that was banking on Nostalgia and lucking out because the actors for Spiderman all had good chemistry with each other. If one them had issues with the others, the movie would have flopped.
First is
>loss of James Gunn (temporarily)
When Gunn's tweets surfaced he got fired by Disney. This meant that any plans they had for cosmic post-Phase 3, or maybe even during Phase 3, got derailed.
>loss of RDJ and Chris Evans
It was pretty clear that their salaries could get way too high but at the same time audiences cared about Tony Stark and Steve Rogers
>Feige getting control of all Marvel
>Iger's Disney+ push and the excessive amount of projects
These meant more MCU projects placed on Feige's plate and not enough time to think through things and that would explain the quality drop across the board. And because there were way too much TV shows to watch on top of watching the movies the audience that did watch all that stuff felt burnt out. Most of the projects feel neither cohesive nor self-contained.
>COVID
This didn't just affect movie theaters and theatrical releases but also filming, so projects got heavily delayed. On top of that, like
said it killed hype and momentum. People fearing that COVID will kill them were less likely to go into a movie theater at the time, and while people are now going to theaters more, they've gotten more selective.
>Chadwick Boseman's passing
Losing Chadwick Boseman meant Black Panther 2 had to be completely reworked and it didn't go well.
>The push for bringing in the Multiverse and the Rick and Morty influence
No Way Home worked for audiences because it drew upon people's memory of the other two Spider-Man film series. But it was too soon to involve more multiverse stuff after and it was probably a bad idea to bring in writers from Rick and Morty without understanding that what works for Rick and Morty (the frivolous dismissal of the fantastic) wouldn't work for the MCU.
There's probably more than this.
>Rick and Morty writers
Not just Rick and Morty writers, but season 3 writers.
I still don't understand how those frickers were able to net such a high-profile job after that disaster of a season. Like holy shit, they were bottom of the barrel. YOU'D THINK they would actually go for professional directors instead of fricking cartoon writers.
Ward deserved to be MCU Crossbones.
Eh, he was pretty good Hive. I don't think anyone else could have pulled it off honestly.
It's also worth mentioning that alot of directors and actors have been shitting on the VFX workers. Taika shat on them. She-Hulk shat on them. Etc. Most of them have left because of poor treatment from Hollywood. Reason why the newer movies look like shit compared to the older ones.
its better than any of the movies too
Don't push your luck
It's about goddamn time you homosexuals start putting respect on AOS's name
The Ward show was pretty great.
I'm still waiting for Daisy to pop back up in the MCU.
>non-cano-ACK
Unironically ack yourself.