I think we can all agree that if you write something like this you deserve to be replaced by AI
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I think we can all agree that if you write something like this you deserve to be replaced by AI
OP be realistic if you asked ai to write this shit it'd crap out family guy no doubt.
I am completely convinced that if you put in the premise of this episode the outcome would be of at least two or three times more quality with the AI. Without prompting to push it, the machine at least maintains common decency.
>if we stick with writers we'll get family guy clones
>if we go with AI we'll get family guy clones
What's the point then?
that's the issue with adult animation, it fricking pointless
correct. the problem has always been the executives who are the ones who keep demanding more family guy clones.
At least 95% of the people responsible for it get fired
If you asked AI to write what?
I'm curious. Here's what I put in ChatGPT.
>Write a Scooby Doo story where Velma has to solve the mystery as to why teenage girls are disappearing from her school. Make it an adult-themed story. Also make it an origin story for Scooby Doo and the gang.
It gave me generic descriptions of the Scooby Doo gang and them solving a usual insurance mystery. What prompt should I use to see if AI can rewrite Velma?
So putting it out on DeepAI, your exact sentence got me:
>Velma had always been fascinated by mysteries. As a high school student herself, she had seen her fair share of strange occurrences, but nothing could have prepared her for the recent string of disappearances that had been plaguing her school. Over the past few weeks, teenage girls had been vanishing without a trace, leaving behind no clues or suspects. The police had no leads, and the school administration was at a loss as to what to do.
>Determined to solve the case, Velma recruited a group of her classmates to help her investigate. Among them was Fred, a handsome jock with a heart of gold; Daphne, a popular girl with a rebellious streak; and Shaggy, a laid-back slacker with a love of food. And of course, there was Scooby, a scrappy little stray that Velma had taken in and befriended.
>As they began to delve deeper into the mystery, the gang quickly realized that they were dealing with something much more sinister than they had originally thought. The missing girls all shared a common link: they had each been involved in some kind of scandal or controversy at school before they disappeared. Could someone be targeting them, punishing them for their misdeeds?
Note just the first half since it's over 2k long. I'll quote the 2nd part.
But even here with just the first half you can see where you can insert random shit.
Just as a quick notes
>Nothing specifies anyone's race so you could change it. Without changing the AI script
>The AI without prompting decided to make Scooby Velma's pet instead, and he possibly doesn't talk
>The scandal isn't mentioned anywhere so someone has to fill that in, even if you have the AI list you 5 compelling scandals you'd still have to make the choice or hope they line up with whatever old focus group date says
>The AI uses Jock with a heart of gold which you can either interpret as Fred being perfect Chadman whose always nice or Jerk Chadman with a good heart
>Velma was determined to find out. Using her natural smarts and intuition, she pieced together clues and interrogated suspects until she finally uncovered the truth. The disappearances were the work of a twisted vigilante, a former student who had been bullied and abused by her classmates and had taken it upon herself to exact revenge.
>With the culprit finally behind bars, the gang had successfully solved the case, but they also knew that there would undoubtedly be more mysteries to come. And so, Velma, Fred, Daphne, Shaggy, and Scooby formed a partnership, vowing to use their skills and courage to solve whatever mysteries came their way.
>As they set off on their next adventure, Velma couldn't help but feel a sense of excitement and purpose. This was just the beginning of something truly remarkable, and she knew that she and her friends were destined for greatness.
More notes:
>Woman suspect which could a nice twist if you misdirect with someone more typical, but again someone has to decide that
>Decide also if the bullying was justified or not
>Scooby is implied equal in this partnership so I guess he can talk
>It's an origin story
>Did the the AI assume the show plot takes place during the entire length and/or end of high school cause where are they setting off
>We don't actually get told anyone's skills except Velma is smart and I guess Fred as a Jock should be strong
>Also in part 1 Daphne's rebellious but we don't know against what
Technically better than Velma but it's the most generic story of all time, which is mostly what the prompt was, although I find it weird that it didn't add any adult element, not even death. Seems like this is a tool that requires at least an ideas guy. Could you do me a favor and try this?:
>Write a Scooby Doo prequel where the Mystery Inc are a group of students framed as murderers by a group of students with personalities opposite to the members of Mystery Inc. The climax begins when one of the opposite group dies and another is revealed to be the culprit of all the deaths and escapes. The story ends in Velma's house where the crazy student is trying to kill all of them, and succeeds in killing one before being captured
Part 1
>It was the early 1960s, and four high school students from Coolsville, Ohio – Fred, Daphne, Velma, and Shaggy – were best friends. They loved nothing more than solving mysteries, and had even formed a club called Mystery Inc. But one day, everything changed.
>A group of students with personalities that were the complete opposite of the Mystery Inc gang began framing them for a series of murders that were happening on campus. Everyone seemed to think that the members of Mystery Inc were killers, and suddenly their world was turned upside down.
>Fred and Daphne were the popular kids, but now they were despised by everyone. Velma was a bookish girl who always kept to herself, but now she was constantly harassed by her peers. And Shaggy, who was always known for his love of food and his dog, Scooby Doo, was now considered a weirdo and an outcast.
>As they tried to clear their names, more and more people began dying – and the murders seemed to follow them everywhere they went. It was as if someone was trying to set them up and make them look guilty. The suspects were endless, but there was never enough evidence to point to any one person.
>The climax began when one of the opposite group was found dead, with the evidence pointing to one of the members of Mystery Inc as the killer. The gang knew they had to act fast to clear their names and find the real culprit.
AI refuses to acknowledge Scbooy as equal to the other except randomly it implies he is.
But things quickly went from bad to worse when they discovered that the real murderer was one of their own. The crazy student had been pretending to be their friend all along, and had even been the one framing them for the murders.
The story ended in Velma's house, where the crazy student confronted them all and tried to kill them. In the ensuing struggle, one of the gang members was killed. Eventually, the murderer was captured and brought to justice, but the lives of the Mystery Inc gang were forever changed.
Despite the horrors they had experienced, the gang remained as close as ever, determined to solve mysteries and uncover the truth. From that day on, they vowed to never be falsely accused or framed for a crime again – and their adventures as the world-renowned Mystery Inc were just beginning.
The cheapest AI model is too dumb to give anything good. I guess I could see what's the latest crack Cinemaphile has going on but I'm lazy
Thanks. The problem with this is that it just paraphrased what I said and barely expanded on it, it didn't fill the gaps that I purposely left open. Seems quite useless because I might as well write the whole thing, but maybe I'm misinterpreting how it needs to be used or studios have something more advanced.
I was going to complain about the AI losing thread but I checked the prompt and the problem might be this part: "one of the opposite group dies and another is revealed to be the culprit". Seems very clear to me but I guess it's necessary to add redundant data on the prompt
Keep in mind this is the free infintie use model even the limited use per day model is better and the fully paid model is better.
Granted they aren't "that" much better, it's actually much better doing role playing.
Don't say "adult-themed", say what you want in there. "make it violent and gruesome", "include sex scenes", stuff like that.
Do you think Velma's premise is any better than Family Guy?
no and that's the issue you either get shit flavor 1 or shit flavor 2
yeah i dont really mind modern writers being replaced
When it comes to Velma (and 95% of American "adult" animation), yes, these people absolutely deserve to be replaced by AI.
losing your job is not great and i dont really wish horrible ill on any of the people in the writer’s strike, but i do want them to lose it
Could an AI do better than Swamp Gas?
Good morning, sir.
No, you should just be fired, blacklisted, and publicly shamed. Allowing AI in will just allow stuff equally as bad as this celebrity vanity project.
AI wouldn't be hindered by irrelevant factors such as trends, sexuality and race
Humans should do the drawing work, but machines should be doing the thinking
>I'm incapable of thinking, have a machine do it
The fact that you would serve the planet better as fertilizer is not a reason to make the rest of us suffer for your stupidity.
Bad faith post. Anon is saying that he doesn't trust Mindy Kaling to write something better and you are pretending he's talking about his own writing skills
You doltz, humans can only thrive through thought by increasing their nerve system's neuron activity
Humans are sufficient instruments of action, Machines are more sufficient in thought process
>AI wouldn't be hindered by irrelevant factors such as trends, sexuality and race
Of course it would you dumb c**t
Generative transformer models workby training on a massive dataset and learning to predict what characters "should" come next in a sequence based on what it trained on. If the training set has patterns or biases those will be present in the output.
It's not sapient you moron
Fricking this. Stop thinking Ai is sentient. It's beholden to whoever controls the data they are trained on.
Why is it even called "Artificial Intelligence"? Shouldnt it be neural network or learning algorithm? Because this shit certainly isnt a true AI
Marketing.
Because AI sounds cooler/more impressive for investors.
But honestly
>this shit certainly isnt a true AI
Define a true AI, outside of science fiction handwavey magic shit, there isn't really a good definition of what makes something a true "artificial intelligence". Neural network, machine learning algorithm, those are just terms invented to try to more accurately describe what most people would just consider to be artificial intelligence, it's a machine program designed to mimic human learning/thinking. Is it on the same level as a human in terms of capability? No, of course not, but neither are people like Joe Biden and he's president of the US so frick it.
It makes the people working on it look smarter, the same as video game AI
>No, you should just be fired, blacklisted, and publicly shamed.
Lolyea, because Hollywood will definitely do that when one of these dogshit turds comes out.
Respect. It's very selfless of you to accept guaranteed mediocrity rather than just the possibility of it in the name of bringing down judgement on these criminals.
Too many crimes have been done against art
Do you genuinely believe the people that wrote this were passionate about this project and wanted this to envelope their true creative potential?
No, of course not, this is obviously something some dumb frick CEO thought of as a quick cash grab and told the writers to put in as much "relatable humor for the young generation" and shit
So they disrespected the legacy of another author in order to advance their own career. That's not the mentality of a real artists but a narcissist, but then they cry because companies are using AI to gain money
They didn't do it to advance their careers, they did it because their boss told them too? Lest they starve?
>Mindy Kaling was going to starve if she didn't work on this
She has more money than all of us
When did I mention Mindy kaling? You must know I mean the writers that are not celebrities, like the vast majority of writers
>When did I mention Mindy kaling?
Here
first sentence. Thank you for humiliating yourself, please don't change the topic
I didn't single her out, I asked about the PEOPLE that wrote this, yknow, not just the celebrity at the head of the project
Prove that they are starving or STFU.
Nobody likes their job, snowflake. Nobody is going to give you millions to make your passion project
>Nobody likes their job, snowflake
Seems to me like that's a consequence of a failed economic system
>Prove that they are starving
Okay sure, let's look up the salary of the lowest paid writer for an HBO max original show, then compare that to the cost of living in the area around where the headquarters is where the writers would be working out of
>Nobody likes their job, snowflake
You say that as if it should be even remotely acceptable that we live in a society that doesn't allow individuals the opportunities to gain skills for jobs they're passionate about
You want to be given resources to make a millionaire production, but on the way there you make caricatures out of other people's franchises
>but on the way there you make caricatures out of other people's franchises
The autism on display is so severe here, it’s not even “how dare you make me look bad”, it’s getting worked up over Scooby fricking Doo getting a bad adaptation. For all the hot air about snowflakes and slop and AI, your argument at the end of the day are “they made my favorite cartoon look bad” as to why you want moron CEOs to drown us in AI shit. Fricking hell.
It's not JUST Velma to be fair. It's every single recent work that basically ruins media much like Velma, from anything Seth Rogan makes, your Rings of Power, Witcher season 3, to even documentaries like Cleopatra etc. Etc. The bitterness towards media creators who eagerly did those things is not sonething you can just tell people to "ignore", "tolerate" or "cope". People are TIRED of hearing that. Wishing AI on them is no different than a women eishing men to die becaise she was raped, it's the only way they feel they can cope against the helplessness they have against said media creators ruining evrything gleefully with thr blessing of CEOs.
And to preface this, we know AI mostly sucks. We know damn well that them getting rid of writers for Ai means woke shit will be even more soulless, but hey, at least now people can see how bad corpo wokeshit really is, and maybe then the writers who WILLINGLY SUCK THE CEO wiener will get a clue.
Your argument entails writers already being mindless slaves of CEOs, what's the loss with the AI replacing them?
>”I want less bad things to exist because the mere fact they exist is offensive to me”
>”But also I want the infinite idea generator to take all the jobs and allow the people with money carte blanche to produce any idea because it’s cheap as dirt and infinitely regurgitating and no, this will not generate even more offensive slop in my eyes, what are you talking about? Besides that human besmirched my beloved brand because they did their job. This is how seriously I take bad things existing, anon, geeze.”
He knows AI will make even more of that crap. He just wants the media creators who eagerly followed along to suffer.
Because realistically, how can any of us stop or even accelerate or? We're just shitposting.
At least you admit to shitposting
You’re right that people worth their salt will just write whatever it is they wanna write anyways, I was just taken aback from the dumbass arguments of wanting to see more shit flood because “This time, the shills will know and my brands can be at peace!!!!” like
I think it’s a dumbass position to have even if you don’t wholly believe in it
Modern Hollywood is gonna accelerate to a point where AIshit will dominate, they’re already doing it anyways despite the strikes given Disney’s current hiring spree, but I don’t believe that will do anything else other than just let more crap be produced than ever before. And if people wanna pretend to be moronic, I’m allowed to point out it’s still the same as being moronic, it works both ways.
What's wrong with wanting the likes of Seth Rogan to feel threatened by AI?
They’re not, Seth Rogen would be the guy using the AI since he mainly acts as producer in shit for some reason.
>I was just taken aback from the dumbass arguments of wanting to see more shit flood because
Bro, we literally do not care if there's a bunch of shitty shows written by moronic trannies in LA or a bunch of shitty shows written by a primitive text prompter algorithm. I won't watch garbage either way, so at the very least I'd prefer if the morons making garbage on purpose and pretending to be talented for doing so lost their jobs so they can go frick themselves.
There's already a frickload of absolute trash content being shit out 24/7 every day on places like youtube and tiktok designed to capture the attention of literal 5-year-olds with undeveloped brains, and I avoid it by just not watching it, I can do the same thing with AI-slop tv and movies and laugh at the dumb homosexuals who no longer get paid to actively ruin things they never liked and tell fans online that they're bigots for not enjoying it.
Do you really think anyone here is watching the shit produced by Hollywood?
For me there is no difference between a 4/10 or 1/10 show, really, I'm not gonna watch any of them. If the modern writers can't write anything other than worthless slop, then if AI does the same, I don't care.
>b-but CEOs
Again, I don't care whose fault it is, the end result will be the same. If your writer's really good he may always try crowdfunding anyway.
Also "taking our jobbonimos" was always a moronic argument, that's technological progress for you, no use trying to stop it; if morons like you could control the world, you wouldn't have Cinemaphile media at all.
There's no evidence that AI writing it's worse other than the claims of liars who's job depends on it failing.
This is about replacing thousands of artists with a couple indians. Entertainment it's already ruined, it's not worth watching, many franchises were destroyed and there's no chance of becoming better. But at the very least the pretentious pieces of shit attacking fans will be replaced by literal machines to show them how awful their writing truly was, or the audience hate it and Hollywood needs to course correct making the executives lose money. This is very sound when you realize we don't care about unwatchable stuff being replaced by unwatchable stuff
After failing to prove that writers care about art you once again try to argue from the point of view of job security, but like I said before
Writing is a gig job that pays $1000 per day on average, you lying piece of shit
How many days are they writing for? How long does that 1000 a day last in between gigs? With the way the economy is, I doubt it lasts long, especially if they have to work in a place as expensive as LA
Why did they pick an art job if they don't care about art? Why should I care more about you than about the food workers being replaced by machines?
Because you're promised a life of security with a job it appears you're passionate about, however the actual industry only moves through CEOs with no creativity beyond following literal patterns like a computer in order to predict how PROJECT will make NUMBER PREDICTED rather than allowing creatives to work
A fast food worker however is expendable, a McDonald's burger should come out the exact same every time, that's what you expect, it's the compete opposite in the entertainment industry, usually most people want the movies they see to be different from one another
>Because you're promised a life of security
Hahahahahahaha this room temperature IQ buffoon really thinks artists ever had job security.
>with a job it appears you're passionate about
They are only passionate about themselves and are willing to sacrifice the work of talented writers that made franchises that survived decades
>if they have to work in a place as expensive as LA
A writer living in LA would be incredibly stupid, there's no way the job can't be done remotely.
You’ve never had to work in any creative industry nor are you a “real artist” so you have no idea what you’re talking about.
>You’ve never had to work in any creative industry
You write it as if it was some incredible burden. Everyone in the industry is there by choice, it's not like, say, an Uber driver or a garbage man who ended up there because he couldn't find anything else.
CEOs don't make shows, they just fund them.
An ARTIST was responsible for this whether you like it or not.
This show would not have been made without some dipshit CEO with his thumb up his as with literally no mental capabilitys beyond having his profit share go up. They're the reason it feels like art is stagnating, artists aren't getting worse in a massive group all at the same time like something was put in their drinking water, it's a consequence of late stage capitalism where literally nothing original and creative can dare be created lest they risk it failing
Making the entire Scooby Doo cast unrecognizable and unlikable is a very daring move I'd say, if they actually were unoriginal and followed the Scooby Doo formula without changing anything like you said it'd be far more well received.
>my writing is shit on purpose and you have to support me
It's not shit on purpose, it's shit because I doubt they genuinely enjoy working on this and have an artistic vision for it
Doesn't matter when their "original" projects aren't any better.
What's the last original animated project you've seen
I just looked at big top burger and it was a nightmare of a Homestuck fan's imagination. That's what people are settling for these days
That's a webseries you idiot
Your public school education is doing the talking, if you can't discuss things properly don't bother participating
What? I asked you to show me an original project you've seen lately, as in one that would have been made for a studio in order to profit, like mainstream, not something made online likely as a passion project out of their own pocket
I'm not going to lie, I do have a public school education. I am straight up dumb, and I think it's a sin that this country allows public schooling to be this dreadful. There's literally 0 reason for there not to be equal education standards across every educational institution in literally the richest country to ever exist
>guy is jealous of Big Top fricking Burger of all fricking things
You are seriously one hateful lil chud. I fricking hate you now. Youre no longer funny and cute in your autism. Die.
>No, of course not, this is obviously something some dumb frick CEO thought of as a quick cash grab
Uhh no, this was a vehicle for Mindy Kaling, who, last I checked, was a producer, not an executive.
>the CEO specifically told me to end the series with Velma twerking at a corpse while she's covered in blood
>I don't like Scooby Doo so I'm going to do a half-assed job, and you as a Scooby Doo fan have to support me until I do my dream project
Narcissism is truly a brain decease. You really think people are going to support you after you give less than nothing and show no evidence that you can give anything of quality
Why should it matter? "I wasn't passionate about it" doesn't excuse your work being shit.
.. it quite literally does
Why would you ever expect someone who doesn't care about what they're doing to produce a high quality product? In any field, not just entertainment but like someone working at walmart, if they aren't passionate about one aspect of their job or another and just hate it, can you expect them to show up every day giving their hardest work
If someone only produces shit nobody is going to waste money giving him a job, even a toddler can understand this. This isn't a charity were you get millions of dollars in resources and a team to work for you because you are special, this is a job you picked to do someone else's project in order to be given creative liberty when you prove that your input is valuable. Otherwise there's no reason to put hire you before another nobody
Imagine being such a moronic Black person that you act like the writers for Velma were held at gunpoint and forced to put shit on paper for a script.
>MUH HECKIN SEA EEE OHS!
Shut the frick up.
Hollywood writers are micromanaged yes men following a formula instilled by out of touch producers afraid to invest in new ideas and work off flawed market data. Recently watched Rise of The Beasts and thought "Fricking hell, I could write a better script than this, AND follow the dumb cliches they want"
There is absolutely no incentive to produce quality anymore. It'll just be low-balled by Hollywood, if it's even picked up at all, chewed up by whatever woke bullshit standards the corpos want to apply, then ad-libbed by the actors and/or directors. And should the project fail, all the blame will be laid at the feet of the writer.
There's any evidence that the writers are actually talented?
See, this excuse only works if these writers who make corpo junk are also making their *real* projects outside of the studio system and are completely devoid of the dumb shit and "woke" autism we see in major productions.
But they're not, if anything when American writers are free from corpos they double down on all that stupid bullshit even more.
>CEOs keep greenlighting garbage
>"HURRR THE WRITERS DESERVE TO SUFFER"
You can't blame writers for doing the minimal effort slop that gets them a paycheck when there's no incentive to improve. The only thing adopting AI will ensure is richer, more moronic CEOs who know they can get away with insulting your intelligence and getting you to pay for the privilege.
But anon, some of them said I was an incel on twitter!
You guys are literal NPCs that only know the trick of shaming people into liking you, even though that has never worked
TO BE FAIR. AI is less likely to be a predator than anyone in the entertainment industry.
Man, this thread sure picked up speed now that it's daytime in India...
Indeed, all the indians appeared to simp for the indian writer that made such a terrible job
Yup.
>we either let the current writers use AI to "assist" them with "most" the writing or replace them with AI made by people of the same flavor
lose-lose situation
Or maybe they should stop green lighting dumb ideas and reboots and allowed more original and unique projects to flourish. I wouldn't have a problem with Velma if it wasn't trying to associate itself with Scooby-Doo
>Or maybe they should stop green lighting dumb ideas and reboots and allowed more original and unique projects to flourish.
They tried but those lose money because the writing is shit.
>I wouldn't have a problem with Velma if it wasn't trying to associate itself with Scooby-Doo
Your standards are really that low?
Why didn't they just do "Succession but it's an animated show"
Rumors say that the story was already written but after being rejected Mindy just used the Scooby Doo property, is a common practice nowadays and makes sense considered none of the characters are even remotely similar to the original
Man, it's just weird to me how low both the pay and standards are for TV writers. How are budgets for all these shows and movies so inflated if they always end up looking like shit, and the writers may as well have been found in a Home Depot parking lot? Why would competent writers not be the first thing you invest in to make sure your show/movie is good? Where does the money even go? Who's fricking with my brain medicine?
There's many Netflix writers who are paid millions and they still produce shit.
A real artist is not a parasite that shits on the legacy of a more talented writer
>this got a season 2
The second season was greenlighted before the first one was released
That is even worse.
This is just all streaming shows. They order 20 episodes, split them into batches of 2, and call it "two seasons."
They have a weird idea of what makes a "season" imo. 10 episodes is too short for a season. M*A*S*H had an average of 24 per season, that's more like it.
If it makes you feel better: most animated shows are actually produced with more episodes so Netflix can just split the season and call it season one and season two even though they're technically one season
>See Inside Job
I want everyone in hollywood to lose their jobs and starve. I don't really know how I can enact that personally, so I'm just pleased the writers and actors aren't working. AI scripts might be stupid and bland but at least nobody was paid for those words.
>I want everyone in hollywood to lose their jobs and starve. I don't really know how I can enact that personally, so I'm just pleased the writers and actors aren't working. AI scripts might be stupid and bland but at least nobody was paid for those words.
This. I want mutually assured destruction for all parties; writers, actors & executives. Within the next decade, we'll all be making AI movies, anyway. I can't wait to redo the rest of the Harry Potter films in the style of Columbus' directing & Williams' score with the original actor for Dumbledore.
Same, these people are talentless hacks. I have plenty of other entertainment options.
I genuinely think there'd have been greater pushback against AIslop if Western animation and comics were in even a halfway decent state
But it's so shockingly degenerated that loads of people are actively cheering on for AI and for the strikers to lose. Because of shit like this. Go ask any person outside Hollywood or Twitter. More than half either don't care or, in private, can't wait to crush the current status quo.
Now if it were the 90s, I think AIslop would've been shut down within months.
>Now if it were the 90s, I think AIslop would've been shut down within months.
I really doubt it.
>Now if it were the 90s, I think AIslop would've been shut down within months.
Anon, most people didn't have computers in the 90s. You were a NERD. AI would have been considered nerd shit and nobody would have cared.
I do hate Western "writers" and "artists", but I hate AI taking over creative jobs even more. Sort of "First they came for..." situation.
Do you truly expect advances in AI creation to result in anything but an explosion of porn?
Or, and hear me out, we could replace them withy good writers.
Maybe even stop letting shit brained celebrities ruined random series due to hiring them as pathetic stunts to get asses in seats.
But that wouldn't assuage OP's violent misanthropy
You thought OP actually gave a shit about cartoons? That's just an excuse to vomit vitriol and get in a pointless argument.
>Or, and hear me out, we could replace them withy good writers.
Ok, do it. What were you wanting for? When the industry starts to make things I want to protect I would try to protect them
i hope the writers strike never ends and hollywood fricking collapses
how much of it was studio/producer meddling though?
I'm sure the studio/producer didn't ask to end the series with Velma twerking at a corpse while she's covered in blood