I thinks it's very harmful to the medium to pretend that modern comics aren't in the shitter.
I thinks it's very harmful to the medium to pretend that modern comics aren't in the shitter.
I thinks it's very harmful to the medium to pretend that modern comics aren't in the shitter.
Is anyone here doing that though?
Look at any of the Big 2 threads. At best they’re shills (it’d be comforting to think) but you have people actually claiming spurrier, Mackay, king, Taylor, ram v, Ewing, Russell, ect are all spectacular and angrily asserting you’re just a culture warrior if you hate them.
Far too many people defend the dog shit being churned out.
What an interesting take OP, really revelatory stuff. I too see people enjoying things and i'm like, when's somebody brave enough gonna set them straight?
I’m not OP homosexual
Idk there are only like 6 or so non-big 2 books that are good and the American industry needs a strong direct market in order to be at its best. One writer, pilkey, props up the entire book store/Amazon market which is otherwise worse off than the direct market.
Honestly, I'd like to see the data on that stuff, cause anecdotally I've heard that the current hotness in the US comic book industry once you filter out cape comics is romance comics, which came after a huge boom in monster and scifi horror shit. Which reminds me a lot of how comics used to be before the Comics Code tried to kill them off.
>is romance comics
Considering nobody can name a single one I don’t think that’s true. Also stop believing the lies you heard on YouTube, the CCA didn’t kill romance or horror, capes selling much better than them did already. EC was like the last publisher around doing non-capes and it was poor sales that drove them into the ground.
Don't have to be hostile, anon. I know cape comics are just a natural evolution/syncretism of the two, I just found it funny to think about that.
>Considering nobody can name a single one I don’t think that’s true
Someone tried to push The Girl from the Sea onto me once, does that count?
>The Girl from the Sea
It came out three years ago and nobody has ever heard of it. Googling it the art looks terrible and it’s a scholastic book not an ongoing so pilkey is her direct competition not capes. And I can all but guarantee any ongoing comic routinely in the top 20 sold more y2y than it did.
Fair enough then, like I said it's just what I heard, but evidently I heard very wrong
>CCA
I do think it's funny how the state of the industry is blamed. Like the quality would have been better without it.
It’s something the “progressive” types shill to act like the comics would have been gayer and thus more popular and totes amazeballs for decades which TOTALLY would have made it so the bubbles never formed or burst.
It’s complete BS.
>Considering nobody can name a single one I don’t think that’s true
Does the Rogue and Gambit run from last year count?
No because that’s a cape comic.
I get that you want Cinemaphile to be nothing but shills and happy customers. I get that you want endless wiener gobbling and cum gurgling. I get that you want nothing but good vibes and feels. But that’s just not going to happen. Complaining about what people are saying on the internet and constantly lamenting that “every complaint that I haven’t deemed worthy is bad because I said so” is just so annoying.
People are probably referring to Lore Olympus and other webtoons.
I read a little bit of everything shy of webtoons. The most recent cape I read was Ultimate Spider-Man #1 by Hickman, and the most recent indie I read was Monica by Dan Clowes.
Every so often, I read a bunch of titles from Marvel, DC, Image, etc. None of them stick.
I asked which comics do you read. I'm waiting for an actual list.
NTA, but you're coming off as a real shill.
>cause anecdotally I've heard that the current hotness in the US comic book industry once you filter out cape comics is romance comics
Uhh no, the current hotness once you filter out cape comics is clearly kid's comics, usually comedic or slice of life or adventure.
There were only like 2 romance comics in the top sellers for Bookscan in 2022, and one of them was gay romance.
The thing is too when you look at the sales figures outside of pilkey they don’t sell as well as capes do lol. And some, like diary of a whimpy kid, aren’t even comics by any stretch of the definition.
A lot of cape fans are a cape hero fans first and foremost. If their favorite in a good place, they would work hard to defend DC and Marvel. If they weren't, they would hate on them too. The quality doesn't matter much.
None of them are in a good place though so that blows this thinking out of the water. I genuinely think it’s mostly paid posting.
praising some few decent writers doesn't mean they have a positive view on the state of the industry as a whole
also who the frick is praising Tom Taylor
All of those writers are just as bad as Taylor you homosexual
>blanket statement informed by ragebait youtube channel
They’re shills.
The goal isn’t to be changed, it’s to control information and influence lurkers to agree with them. Nothing you say will change their minds because they’re paid plants with no emotion.
man I just like that there's a writer doing grandiose metafictional plots spanning their entire bibliography who integrates woo woo magic shit into their storytelling and doesn't give a shit about powerlevel wankery now that Morrison has run off to who knows where
Are you referring to the guy that wanked Storm?
that's his one major flaw tbh, but Morrison has done it just as hard if not harder with Superman in the past
Superman makes more sense.
I suppose, but they still have a pet character they wank off super-hard. Ewing is just a little less clever in how he applies Storm's protagonist powers to never lose ever.
Ewing simply isn’t a good writer. Morrison has more misses than many of his fans want to admit but when he’s on it’s genuinely fantastic. Ewing doesn’t have that. He destroyed Loki as a character years ago and he’s so far up his ass he’s become a tonsil stone in his own throat.
I disagree
>far up his ass
I agree about Ewing, but the use of this phrase is pretty braindead.
That’s quite literally the problem with Ewing. He’s created this alternate canon bullshit that he just decided was better than the actual canon and crawls up inside it with pseudo intellectual psychobabble trying to make it sound any less moronic than it is.
He’s a fricking clown. Is that better?
what? If anything he's too slavishly devoted to canon even if other writers come through like a freight train with zero concern for what it does to other books. Building a metafiction in a space where no one else is working isn't "alternate canon bullshit"
He has to be, he's next in line for Shogun.
nta, but sorry, no the tarot thing in the storm comic is shit, it doesn't make sense narratively. it's quite literally tryhard shit where it doesn't belong
Fricking typo.
Evident in this thread. Also
.
You don't really care about the medium if you're okay with the current state of things.
Not saying you shouldn't enjoy things, just be aware that it's a bunch of crap and defending it as good or great comics is working against your interests in the medium, if you have any. If you're just a fan of the cape genre, don't pretend otherwise.
>just be aware that it's a bunch of crap
What comics do you read? You seem very knowledgeable.
>You don't really care about the medium
>If you're just a fan of the cape genre, don't pretend otherwise.
You're all over the place mixing the MEDIUM of comics with the GENRE of capeshit. And then somehow accusing me of only being into capes..huh? The MEDIUM is just fine, too good even, I go into my local indie comics shop and only try to stay for 5 mins or so and cap myself at about $20 bc theres thousands of dollars worth of interesting comics there. The genre of capeshit is always hit or miss, as there's only a handful of good writers at any time. Even then, if you look hard enough, you can find some decent books. It's just, "Gentleman, I am here to say comics...are bad!" Is a tired take. It's on you to find good shit, it's out there. The medium is just fine.
>I go into my local indie comics shop
That’s not a thing. Name the shop to prove me wrong. When I look them up I better not see so much as a back issue in their boxes or current diamond catalog comic on their shelf. No diamond trades either.
“Indie comic shop” shut the frick up.
>That’s not a thing. Name the shop to prove me wrong. When I look them up I better not see so much as a back issue in their boxes or current diamond catalog comic on their shelf. No diamond trades either.
>“Indie comic shop” shut the frick up.
Oh it is a thing, and it's fricking sweet. Like I said, too sweet actually. Highly recommend. As a bonus, Charles Burns is just chillin' there all the time, and will strike up a pleasant conversation with you out of the blue. Met Clowes there a couple months ago too. Now are you going to politely concede, or move the goal posts?
https://www.instagram.com/partnersandson/
Looks like it’s about three years old so that’s commendable. I stand corrected and we’ll see how long it lasts.
>accusing me of only being into capes
No. That's why I started with "if".
>The MEDIUM is just fine
Not in the US it isn't.
The cape genre and the American industry are in shambles. The few manga that try, the rare euro comic that trickles through, and the even rarer indie are not a good indicator of a medium doing well. I have found decent comics, maybe one or two good ones, but nothing great from the past four years.
yes. krakoa shills have no taste, and dc/spiderman/sonic fans will buy shit off the shelf just because it's there
Yeah, that's why the Eisner's got rid of its "Comics Journalism" award.
Pop culture journalism has always been shit
True but the Eisners is ran by shit people and even they couldn't stand what comic book journalism has done. Not only did it ruin the industry by NOT SHITTING ON BAD BOOKS but it also pushed garbage writers which lead to the current predicament.
I mean, you its bad when Twitter/Elon Musk would have technically won the award for best Comic Book Journalism due to the #ComicsBrokeMe. That platform, by accident, has done more journalism than anyone in the industry.
>I thinks it's very harmful to the medium to pretend that modern cape comics aren't in the shitter.
FTFY. Not to say other categories are doing all that great either, but that's always the big reason why people don't take these kind of things seriously. The overall industry is chugging along adequately, it's the Big 2 that are doing so dogshit but also the ones taking up the most attention for it.
Modern comics are great. Which ones do you read, OP?
Is it really though?
OP doesn't read comics.
Marvel fans are like Disney fans from Cinemaphile or DnD, fans from /tg/
Marvel is garbage, not even close to being average, read other shit if you want good comics.
I like Miracleman, Superior Spider-Man, Immortal Thor, GODS, Ultimate Spider-Man, Avengers Twilight, Cable, Fantastic Four, Guardians of the Galaxy, Captain America and Venom. Which ones do you read?
>Which ones do you read?
You mean superhero and adventure comics? Judge Dredd, classic Conan and Hellboy, are some mainstream ones that are just much better than any Marvel crap.
>much better than any Marvel crap.
Comics are wide swath my guy, not just Marvel and DC, there's probably 300 to 500 books out a month, chances are somebody out there is making the book you want.
Actually it’s more like 120-150 a month. Most of what’s outside the big 2 isn’t all that much better.
>it’s more like 120-150 a month
There's over 100 from DC and Marvel alone. There's easily over 200 total.
They're in the trash because no one is reading them.
people stopped reading in the iron age, when variant foil #1s were being bought up in collector crazes, the era of early Spawn. They still don't read most comics, only hipster 'graphic novels' that try really hard to distinguish themselves from capesludge. Rarely, a young zoomer or gen alpha will pick up a floppy, get fricking disgusted by either the art, the politics, or the story you need five previous comics from three different titles to understand and won't be concluded for eight more comics but you need to buy those from five different titles.
Movie studios and media monopolies really should have let the big two die already.
What comics do you guys read? You seem experts on what comics suck.
Lotus land, hexagon bridge just ended this week, time before time which wrapped up recently, worlds finest (but I’m dropping it after the Gog arc), Shazam (but I’m dropping that after the next issue), GA sandman mini but that’s almost done. Issue one of deer editor seemed solid so I bought it. I like Deep Cuts which is ending soon and I like JLA/Godzilla/kong even if it’s over priced and is ending soon. Batman Santa Claus was solid but was only 4 issues.
I loved twig, ghost cage, ascender/descender, ronin island, old dog which were recent. I like a lot of comics. Everything I named I paid for.
I’ll be down to like 6 comics a month soon. I have the expendable income and propensity to buy 30 a month. Big 2 keep making what I like woke (I hate the term but I’m not finding a more fitting one and frankly don’t give a frick if you don’t like buzzwords) or cancelling them.
I want jon kent to be a kid and straight again and I’ll buy every Super “family” book they release. I want Aquaman to be short haired, beardless and blonde and I’ll buy it, I want fan4 written by someone who isn’t a massive wienersucker like Slott or north, I want she-hulk written by a straight white dude who wants her to look like a Victoria secret model and never ever be in a court room like in Byrne’s run, I want the x-men back in the mansion, I want thor to never have to see Jane again let alone hand her a hammer and to be written by someone who has never so much as watched MSNBC, I want punisher to be Frank castle and not be written by someone who’s anti 2A, I want my fricking comics back.
The first part of your comment was reasonable and then
>I want jon kent to be a kid and straight again and I’ll buy every Super “family” book they release. I want Aquaman to be short haired, beardless and blonde and I’ll buy it, I want fan4 written by someone who isn’t a massive wienersucker like Slott or north, I want she-hulk written by a straight white dude who wants her to look like a Victoria secret model and never ever be in a court room like in Byrne’s run, I want the x-men back in the mansion, I want thor to never have to see Jane again let alone hand her a hammer and to be written by someone who has never so much as watched MSNBC, I want punisher to be Frank castle and not be written by someone who’s anti 2A, I want my fricking comics back.
It just turned into "not muh". Why aren't nice collected editions of the era you love enough for you? You sound like a consoomer charactergay?
The classic stories aren't enough for you, you need to consoom endless sequels until the day you die
You’re literally doing the same only about actual customers rather than fictional characters. You wish the consumer was different which is absurd.
>You wish the consumer was different
No I don't, I don't care what you want to spend your money on.
But this time period you look back on fondly is gone and never coming back. And it wasn't some universally golden age for the craft of comics, it was just a personally nice time for you. You can be upset that it's gone but restoring the thing you want is so low on the priority list and drafting complaints about it isn't going to bring it back any quicker.
>Why aren't nice collected editions of the era you love enough for you? You sound like a consoomer charactergay?
>The classic stories aren't enough for you, you need to consoom endless sequels until the day you die
Followed up by
>No I don't, I don't care what you want to spend your money on.
Lol make up your mind. You, who doesn’t buy a single floppy, seem to care an awful lot what the people who do would like to see on the rack.
I get that you would like to see two dozen ongoing floppies from Marvel and an additional two dozen ongoing floppies from DC that feature the original characters as they were depicted in the 80s and 90s still preserved in amber as if Claremont/Wolfman/Dixon/Stern/DeFalco/Byrne/etc were still writing them in one long continuous arc
I get that you want to spend your money on that specific scenario. Unfortunately it's just not going to happen. it's unrealistic and blinded by nostalgia. Complaining about it on the internet isn't going to change anything and constantly going "no everything is shit because I said so" is annoying.
This is why comics are failing. You have a son user base CLAMORING for the comics they want. Giving you the answers to the test. And homosexuals like you somehow have a stranglehold on these comics and demand people buy shit they don’t want and shut up or just frick off and never buy comics despite wanting to.
Anon gave a decent list of recent non-big 2 comics and you act like he just wants to read capeshit because, I don’t know, you’re either a shill or just here to shitpost like a massive homosexual.
You have a consumer base*
>he just wants to read capeshit because, I don’t know, you’re either a shill or just here to shitpost like a massive homosexual.
The internet has been taken over by psyop shills sadly. And they reach every corner of the internet.
>You have a consumer CLAMORING for the comics they want. Giving you the answers to the test.
Even when you were getting what you wanted, sales declined. Explain that.
>Even when you were getting what you wanted, sales declined
Explain when you think that was.
The 90snand the 2010s
I specifically hate the new 52 and 90s edge. See this is a major problem. You’re not actually knowledgeable about the subject matter to understand those two eras are exactly the opposite of what I like. And comparing the 90s when comics boomed before crashing to the modern industry is just woefully moronic. The media landscape was completely different and even at the back end of the “burst” the sales were much MUCH better than they are now. Hell, even the new 52 sold much better than the dogshit they’re churning out now and I hated that shit and dropped every DC title for like 8 years.
Post a picture of the ongoing comics you buy.
You have no reason to be this invested in tearing down another persons opinion about what they want to read - a person who listed what they buy - if you don’t even pay for comics weekly.
So prove me wrong when I say: you’re just here to shitpost about something you have zero investment in.
You never know, that anon might lie and post a random picture from somewhere and post it. That’s how far shills are willing to go.
Any picture they post I’m running through saucenao. But also I’m actually of the belief it’s one of the DC editors and they’ll just post their comps.
I find it insane they’re so angry and seem to have forgotten that entire reply thread tracks back to anon listing a bunch of comics that aren’t big 2 (a few really good ones too) despite saying they want to buy more capes as well.
It’s an inability to break from the image they have in their mind of the consumer they hate. Nobody reading twig was clamoring for 90s edge or new 52 trash.
You can't talk about what comics you want without descending into some kind of BoundingIntoComics comicsgate outrage gay.
NTA, but you do sound like a shill.
I notice you didn’t even acknowledge anons list, YOU are the one who decided they couldn’t have an opinion you disagreed with. YOU are the one trying to mold this into a culture war. YOU are the one who doesn’t buy comics yet feels the need to police threads like this.
You’re a fricking cancer. You’re everything wrong with society these days. A culture warrior through and through. I wish with every fiber of my being that I could see you burned at the stake.
take your meds
I accept your concession.
>still writing them in one long continuous arc
Actually that’s a major problem and tells me you don’t know anything about the industry. Writers should have shorter rope not longer. Aaron’s Avengers, Snyder’s JL, Taylor’s Nightwing, Percy’s Wolverine, Rowell’s She-Hulk, McKay’s Moon Knight were/are all dogshit but it wouldn’t be so bad if they just lasted like 12-15 issues. The problem is all the worst writers get long ass runs.
It's called X-Men Forever it ran for 40 some odd issues and ended, there's also X-Factor and New Mutants spin offs.
The Spider-Man version is called Symbiote Spider-Man and is a series of miniseries that still goes on today.
and those nostalgia mini are always at the bottom of the sales chart, proving that costumers aren't begging for the older stuff.
Is that because they don't want old stuff, or is it because Marvel is fricking up its new stuff to the point readers don't want the nostalgia minis because the new stuff taints them?
Anything Bronze Age is peak comics. My personal favorite is DC Comics Presents.
The Bronze Age is okay.
Reading silver surfer.
Shit's cash.
since marvel has decided to shit on beast and double down on the greatest character assassination in the entirety of fricking Cinemaphile history, i have read that 10 part yoda miniseries, star trek: defiant, the forged, monstress, and i just picked up the coda omnibus as an impulse purchase which i rarely do unless it's already used for a cheaper price
>the iron age
That's not really a thing. There's only really 3 recognized "ages" in American comics.
Four.
Golden, Silver, Bronze. "Modern" is not an "age".
I don't think Cinemaphile even understands the concept of "ages" in regards to comics or media or societies or anything.
>I don’t think Cinemaphile
That includes you, then, homosexual. I’m so sick of people referring to Cinemaphile as the single person they’re disagreeing with.
There are at least four ages, numbnuts. That's not up for debate.
Only a complete moron would think that we're still in the Bronze Age of Comics.
I wish we were still making comics like the Bronze Age, but we've moved so far beyond.
I think what the moron wa alleging was that you can’t name the age you’re currently in, which is true, but it’s absolutely moronic to act like any of the ages were 50 years long. Whether you want to college it widescreen, reboot age, or stick with metal and call it the rusted age the fact of the matter is Bronze Age ended around 2000 and we’re almost on to an age beyond its successor even. I’d say we’re firmly in the dark ages of comics frankly.
>Whether you want to college it
Whether you want to call it*
OP I’m going to guess you fall into one, or maybe both, of these camps
>convinced that things x number of years ago were so much better when in reality you’re just stuck in the past and wish that time hadn’t moved on (did you know there’s a whole group of people out there who actively hunt for those old CRT TVs? And act like they’ve found some sort of hidden treasure when they find one at a Goodwill for like five bucks? What the frick)
>you don’t actually read comics or haven’t for several years you’re just basing this opinion of yours off of outrage-bait YouTube videos or posts here on Cinemaphile (“omg you -like- the new issues of x?! What are you a shill?? No I haven’t read any of it myself I just know they’re bad!”)
Wrong on both counts.
I read a little bit of everything. Euro comics somewhat tide me over, but not really. This board swears by cape titles and that's my problem.
I've been to a bookstore recently, and the puny "graphic novel" section was mostly abandoned, whole the manga section always had at least a few people browsing. They were mostly chicks.
Capes need to be eradicate along with the confusion, but that's not being realistic.
At this point, it would take a miracle to fix comics.
Except it feels like no good shit is coming out of the anglosphere lately.
Hey everyone, it's That Guy.
Westerns of whatever genre gets you hard isn't going to appear out of thin air because superhero comics disappear.
It is on you as the consumer to actually support the types of genres you want made. I don't get why manga fans are so ashamed to read manga and come here every week crowing about sales figures and the Barnes and Noble bookshelf (as if any self respecting comic fan would go there to buy comics)
Please stop projecting your shame over still reading One Piece on us for still reading Spider-Man, we like the format just fine.
>This board swears by cape titles and that's my problem
Then maybe find some place else? Unless you’re moot come back from the grave this isn’t your house and you have every ability to just frick right off
>capes need to be eradicate
Oh man look out everyone we’ve got a real cool guy here! I bet you’re just drowning in pussy can you send a blonde my way?
The gold foil in crt's are worth much more than five bucks.
Dude, have you been living under a rock?
Everyone and his mother on Cinemaphile know that modern comics are shit.
I didn't even know this stuff was going on with the big 2. All these comics stories people complain about, what normie is aware of this? None. You guys are pissing yourself off forcing yourself to read this stuff when it has zero impact on the mainstream media interpretations of DC and Marvel.
All I knew about was the MCU, DCAU, some animated movies, and the DCEU. And more recently The Batman film.
To be fair, remember how hard Secret Empire backfired when normies were informed Marvel was turning Captain America into a nazi?
I had no idea that happened.
Yeah, I remember actual newspapers had articles in their media section about the comic book event of Captain America becoming a nazi and how pissed off a lot of fans and people in the israeli community were. One of the few times I saw the news caring about Marvel outside of the MCU.
Wasn't aware, and honestly I don't care.
Geez, who pissed in your cheerios this morning, anon?
I don't understand how you interpreted that as me being me mad. The nazi thing just doesn't matter to me. I didn't even know about it.
Usually most people don't need to emphasize they don't care about something, they just don't mention it or bring it up again. Either way, the story itself wasn't integral to anything, I could have substituted something like Superman's son coming out as gay in the comics, it's just illustrating that normies can actually be convinced to care about this comic book shit beyond the terminally online chuds and social justice types, it just takes the right level of flamebait from the big 2.
>what normie is aware of this? None. You guys are pissing yourself off forcing yourself to read this stuff when it has zero impact on the mainstream media interpretations of DC and Marvel.
>I had no idea that happened.
>Wasn't aware, and honestly I don't care.
Maybe it's not about normies not caring about comics and more that you're too dumb to follow things
>more that you're too dumb to follow things
Not everyone is a sheep, anon.
>when it has zero impact on the mainstream media interpretations of DC and Marvel.
Why would anybody be concerned for "media interpretations of DC and Marvel" when all of them are worse than the comics?
Capeshit Comics are a shitstain written by fricking idiots. I'm fricking glad they don't follow that garbage. Comic accuracy is only for losers who like shit stories. No one wants to see Batman fricking pee himself on the big screen.
>Capeshit Comics are a shitstain written by fricking idiots.
They're written by you? Explains a lot, really.
>lying shill
Sad!
And yet adaptations are 10 times worse than the comics. Quite a feat.
t. capeshit comictard
>LopiBats seething at the truth again
>lying
Sad!
>projecting shill impostor
Sad!
>lying
Sad!
If you don't read comics, then your lack of knowledge regarding the industry doesn't matter and you're a gay for pretending it does.
>what normie is aware of this, none
that's the point we're making. writers are presenting shit as if normies are reading but they fricking don't read comics. normies only might go see movies and not give a shit because normies are fricking normies, they don't give a frick about literally anything except maybe whatever their cell phone algorithm tells them to be hypnotized by at any given moment. normie behavior isn't a fricking argument
>Hey guys, hot take here, but modern comics suck!
Stop reading capeshit
>No but look at the state of-
Stop reading capeshit, the only people who still read that shit are people who don't require any engaging storytelling, or people looking to be mad all the time. I get it, comic book characters got real frickin' popular there for a good bit the last decade, but it's time to admit it was all movies and nobody gave a shit about the actual comic end of things. Just move the frick on.
lol
This is the third time you post this picture, weirdo. You've been doing it since March of last year.
>You've been doing it since March of last year.
How the frick do you remember that? Obsessed chronically online frick.
I check the archive with one click. How new are you?
>lying shill
Sad!
>so starved for attention you not only have to make sure everyone knows it’s you when you post on an anonymous anime image board but also have to try and push some lame as frick meme
Many such cases!
>lying shill
Sad!
Stop giving the sad no life moron attention and he'll kill himself.
>samegay lying
Sad!
>posting a photo when it's on topic is cringe and weird
stop talking
>dune by boom!
I always forget those exists, are they readable at least?
Absolutely not
there are several modern cape comics I follow and enjoy 🙂
Let me guess, your solution is to retcon away everything you don't like which will only end with endless confusion of what is and is not canon and people still dropping comics
Wouldn't be mine. The amount of shit needed to sift through to decide what is and isn't canon is far more investment than just letting invested writers and fans carry on with their shit. I'd just add more cheaply made film tie-in comics, crossovers, and introduction-friendly titles like Marvel Adventures where it's just updating/retelling older tales for the kids, with room to throw in potentially all-new stories for fun.
Cause if we went with the original plan which would be to actually wrap up the character stories/journeys of particularly long-past-their-prime capes to make way for new blood and stories, you'd rightly call me a complete moron for ruining cape comics
Anti-superhero gays are WAY worse than the superhero gays they complain about. Easily the worst segment of fandom.
No way. Capeshitters are among the worst of the worst. Anti-capeshitters are just reacting to their awfulness.
No, he was right the first time
Of course you feel that way, you're a cape bum.
You would think that because capes live rent free in your head anyway
Of course they're in my head. I read them.
No, he’s right. You don’t typically see capegays going into indie threads going
>scoff, you read European comics?! Batman is real comics you shits
Or capegays making thread after thread after thread after thread after thread after thread about how pretentious poorly drawn indie comics are a blight on the industry
not op, but no i would not retcon x-men. i'd reboot them to before bendis
also i forgot to mention sacrificers by remender, which i have no idea where it's going but i like remender because i liked uncanny x-force and Low
Maybe I just don't believe shit's as doomed as you think. This is not hard to understand for neurotypicals.
The overall quality across the board has been poor since the early 90s, still almost every week there's at least one release worth reading. That's enough for me. I ignore the bad shit and check out the good shit.
What's your point?
I've been thinking of doing a storytime series (either weekly or daily) of older overlooked comics highlighting underappreciated writers and artists and just random stories or series that are largely forgotten but shouldn't be. I've been finding that even average comics from the 70s and 80s were better than 99% of ANYTHING currently being published.
>I've been finding that even average comics from the 70s and 80s were better than 99% of ANYTHING currently being published.
Which era comics did you read when younger? Because I've started to notice audiences deep diving into older material from before they were born in protest against how bad modern entertainment is in general. That should've been a wakeup call for everyone in comics and the entertainment industry
>Because I've started to notice audiences deep diving into older material from before they were born in protest against how bad modern entertainment is in general.
BINGO. I'm from the post-crash era. I still have the same opinion I always did about comics from the 2000s and even the 90s. There was stuff great stuff then mixed in with a lot of bad stuff.
But what's really blowing me away right now about comics from the 70s and 80s isn't even how good the BEST comics from those eras are, it's how good the TYPICAL comics were. The fact that the industry used to have STANDARDS and made an actual effort to not publish crap is mindblowing to me. That's unthinkable now. It was even unthinkable when I was younger and getting into comics. I'll read some random issue of the first volume of What If? and not only will the art be better than anyone currently drawing a monthly is capable of, but the story will make actual sense and the characterizations will be consistent. Not one fricking title can currently claim that.
I'd actually argue that the best comics from the 90s and 2000s were just as good as the best comics from the 70s and 80s. The real difference is the other 90+%, which went from being "usually competent with the occasional underrated gem" to "downright unreadable".
Did you miss the part where I explicitly mentioned that I'm younger than those comics? Like decades younger.
I think you're the old man in this scenario
See:
It's funny to me because I remember in the 00s comics people (whether some Gen X/early millennial fans or the Boomers in the industry) were aggressively insisting no young reader would read stuff from before they were born. Sure, a lot of times that's true, but there were always at least a few people willing to make the effort. But that's also why it seemed so unusual for me to see a lot of people, not just on Cinemaphile or Cinemaphile but outside of this board, say they're seeking out old stuff, whether comics or movies. It tells me a lot of new stuff is not meeting even the minimum requirements, that the old stuff did.
I refuse to believe this isnt a yt comment copypasted. It even has the CAPITALIZED words every sentence
The 80s, 90s, and 00s had most of the best comics from the Anglosphere.
You have to find the right times or you may not get replies.
Godspeed.
I'm not your bogeyman. Sorry.
I'm not anti-superhero. It's just that superhero comics today are trash. The only real solution is to wipe the slate completely clean.
Nah. This is The Place.
"The only real solution" is for Marvel and DC to shut down. They haven't been profitable in 30 years, but Disney and WB never pull the plug on anything, so they're allowed to continue losing money forever.
>You have to find the right times or you may not get replies.
>Godspeed.
Yeah, I'd probably do storytimes in the afternoon or early evening (going by EST). I'd guess that's when the most users are on.
This is of course assuming I even do these at all. IF I do it won't be until at least March though, because I'm going to be busy as frick for the next month or two at least. After that I (barring any unforeseen bullshit) will have a ton of free time for (most of) the rest of this year, so if I'm going to do a storytime series then that'd be as good of a time as any.
>It's just that superhero comics today are trash.
This is what makes you and the anon who started the DC thread sound like homosexuals. If you were to come in and say “I hate how amazing spider-man has that shit with Paul” or “fricking hell the multiverse shit in Batman is gay as frick” or “fricking Krakoa fricking shits in x-men” it’d be easier to take you seriously but there are hundreds of super hero comics being put out by DC, Marvel, Image, whatever and when homosexuals go “they’re all trash!” you just sound like a YouTube vlogger wiener guzzler who doesn’t actually read anything. But hey let’s say I’m wrong! Maybe you do read every single super hero comic being put out ever and you think they’re all trash. I’d have to ask
>why
Why continue to support something you don’t like? Is it at all possible you’re maybe growing out of super heroes? They just don’t give you the enjoyment they used to? I used to be huge into coomer comics, I’d base my whole pull list over shit I could fap to but I grew out of it. Is it maybe possible that that’s why you’re not enjoying what you’re currently reading? Or maybe not, maybe you just genuinely don’t like what’s currently being published. So then don’t buy it. You don’t have to make multiple threads a week going on about “how awful comics are now” and just shit on anyone’s suggestions. Just
>move on
>Why continue to support something you don’t like?
I don't buy this shit.
You can always move on from this thread.
>I don't buy this shit
Then why the frick should anyone here give any sort of flying frick about what you think?
Because I'm right.
>I’m right about this thing I’ve admitted to not actually participating in
????????
I'm reading, but not buying. I'm discussing quality, not sales.
It’s weird you admit to being a colossal homosexual and think you’re being anything other than a colossal homosexual
The entire internet condensed into one post
The Internet is so fake. You can't go anywhere without a flow of controlled falsified information.
America as a country done. No one likes us anyways.
See how needy the frickup is? Ignore the shitter; let him an hero for us all.
>lying
Sad!
There are some good comics here and there, but yeah, it seems like it's dried up a bit.
No, it's not. You're just confirming that you don't understand the concept of "ages".
No, YOU don't understand how periodization works.
Look, this is not open to debate. You don't even understand what the concept itself MEANS.
You haven’t actually said anything but “not uh”
Despite how well known capeshit character are, the comics themselves have always (or at least sice like the 70's) been a very niche market. The arrival of comic book shop sealing that fate.
While the political pandering is annoying (I love Ewing and I think he's one of the best big two writter, but he really has an ability to make me roll my eyes with his unsubtle messaging) I wouldn't say they are significantly worst than they have always been. Most 60's, 70's, 80's 90's, 00', 10' comic sucked, only the better run get remember fondly, washing away all the forgettable "superhero beats bad guys in badly drawn action scenes" issues to the sand of times.
The main problem with modern big two comics is that long ongoing basically don't exist anymore outside the most popular characters. Like the 90's guardian of the galaxy comic that took place in the year 3000 ran for way longer than any modern GoG run despite the new version of the concept being orders of magnitudes more known.
If you want to drop some recent titles for me to read and talk about, go ahead.
You're right that, in general, comics have been persistently crap throughout the decades, but there's really no excuse now that we have the tools. We've also seen some kind of balance before, like a handful of worthwhile titles in a sea of subpar ones.
That's going to be my next thread. I'm going to read a bunch of recommended comics along with some I find that look at least somewhat interesting, and post about them while they're fresh on my mind.
I repeat, feel free to drop some recent titles for me to potentially read and discuss.
I never see actual critiques here, it’s just how everything is shit and the same wrong complaints from people who don’t seem to read comics.
That said I am only reading a handful of ongoings so
Ever since the new52 dropped, there's been a curse on DC. Some of the worst writing I've seen in years was coming specifically from the big 2. How do you allow you're IP to get this tarnished by hacks who don't give a frick about the characters they're writing about? Where are the hard mandates and character bibles? These capeshit comics are biggest forms of self sabotage I've ever seen. James Gunn is shit, but he was right when he said DC was in complete chaos as a brand.
It's more harmful to read nothing but capeshit.
"Modern comics" = Big 2 floppies
There's never been more accessible OGNs in a variety of genres but thats not what this conversation is about.
It's about the hobby of being a Wednesday Warrior. And we're not even talking about the abundance of genre variety floppies you could get just from Dark Horse, Image, and some shuffle of Dynamite, Boom, IDW, and the Scout/Mad Cave/Black Mask/Vault/Valiant tier.
This is specifically about being a Big 2 floppy hobbyist. Idk there's literally tens of thousands of Big 2 floppies in discount bins, how many new Big 2 floppies should be pumped out every week?
How many volumes of trades for one single run do you need?
How many characters need ongoing?
It's always been a "10% quality, 90% forgettable" ratio, it's just that the output is smaller in the 2020s.
And the art does look worse because of cheap rushed digital tools that can't replicate the craft of actual tacticle ink pen on paper.
Both capegays and anticapegays are equally bad. You have anti-capeshitters batschizos like LopiBats who shit up threads on purpose to troll and anti-Superman Synder shills like KazuyaProta (admitted to pissing Supergays off to derail threads and promote Zack) who dedicate their lives to doing to doing this pathetic shit. Don’t forget the anons who post Manga’s better sales over and over again.
And you have the procapeshitters who defend an industry with shady practices that promote hate sales by purposely ruining the characters for attention. They act like the comics are great and sales are amazing (more shills) when industry writers have admitted that sales are down. Then there’s the people who take canon of these characters so seriously to obnoxious degrees.
Genuine question, why do you enter threads about topics you don’t want to discuss?
You meanwhile just keep saying the same thing over and over. have a nice day.
>Both capegays and anticapegays are equally bad
You could easily avoid cape threads. Capegays, however, can’t see, to avoid shit stirring homosexuals who just enter cape threads to talk shit about capes and capegays.
So no the two are not equal, not even close. But namegays and tripgays are always awful, that I agree on.
LopiBats and KazuyaProta are the worst. LopiBats is just insane and shits up every thread with capeshit ramblings to the point of killing them, while the Kazuya goes as far as to make multiple accounts all over the internet making the same fricked up anti-Superman threads and spreading disinformation to promote Zack Snyder.
People are so fricked in the head nowadays and it’s sad to watch.
Agreed and I don't pretend that.
This thread is reminding me we haven’t had a shelf thread in awhile
Reminder that both Gunn and Snyder are hacks.