I unironically think this was the greatest show of all time, in terms of western animation there's never been anything better than Hazbin Hotel.
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I unironically think this was the greatest show of all time, in terms of western animation there's never been anything better than Hazbin Hotel.
You do not think that.
I'm not kidding, genuinely serious. This was incredible, i'd put it up with the best anime even that's how good this is.
What are you willing to do to prove your commitment?
What does Jap Cinemaphile think of it? I forget the url, is it 2ch or something like that?
i checked the hazbin thread in 5chan. the reception seems more positive over there as far as i can tell.
Tell me 5 other cartoons that you think are great.
Tell me 5 other anime that you think are great.
Let's judge your taste.
So you are too pussy to answer . I knew it
Utena Lain Perfect Blue Key Akira
Nope. Boku no pico is still better.
whats your favorite part?
Lucifer being Daddy for me.
Kino
>Adam: Yoink! My kid now.
ENTER
>ranking with the best anime
>using anime as a litmus test
When will these fricking tourists get the frick out?
There are literally over 20 Hazbin threads. Jesus frick.
Is there even anything else airing right now? The only other threads I follow are the monthly Skybound Transformer discussions.
I'll give credit that they aren't more AIslop threads.
>i'd put it up with the best anime
You have no idea how bad that makes the show sound, do you?
fpbp
Overplayed your hand bucko.
They know they don't have much time left before the world ends.
This show is only good for porn of the Charlie. Deal with it.
verbalase they can't add you to the 1st season, no matter how much you lick vivienne's dry c**t, it's already done
but maybe if you let her put on the chastity cage, MAYBE she can squeeze your impsona in the 2nd cour as a throwaway cuck character
Porn of Charlie is only good if you spend 50,000$ on it
I enjoyed it immensely but you can 100% feel the rushed writing in multiple parts due to the 8 episode limit and probably no confirmation for S2 at the beginning of production.
S2 was greenlit before production of Season 1 even began
Did they say that in a Q&A? We only saw the trailer for the first season and then the S2 confirmation at the end like six month ago.
Season 2 was already requested by Amazon before the trailer even came out, in September of last year so yes
Ah, so Viv is just an idiot, and my theory of her getting bored of her pilot's plots quickly is true.
cute
Give it a week or two, you'll come to a more realistic conclusion once you've had time to reflect.
How satanic is really this show?
it's not, it's the other kind of satanic, the edgy atheism one but with more homosexualry
The funny thing is that said ironic atheists own the copyright to this statue, which is why you never see it in the show.
that's not basically charlie?, apparently the hooves says she was a goat the whole time
or a unicorn
>which is why you never see it in the show
I didn't expect to see that statue? Who did?????
>copywrite for iconography that Eliphas Levi created in the 1800s
wrong anon, you can't copywrite baphomet he's public domain.
Very.
It has the nasty edges softened and the overtly gross parts sanitized, but the core undercurrent of [subversion], [perversion], and [inversion] of natural creation is still present all throughout.
>[subversion], [perversion], and [inversion]
vgh the modern hegel
Lucifer pog at the end.
Now I want to watch. Damn it.
Honestly that last scene with alastor gave me major Disney nostalgia vibes.
In fact that whole song at the end was just fricking awesome.
Major jack skellington performance and music in these scenes, liked it
It is definitely more coherent and stable as a show and more pleasant writing and pace. Im also not missing the too large serving of sex related humor. But i like the characters, story and settings here more. These are roughly my same opinions from when both just had a pilot out.
Unfortunately helluva didnt succeed more in any of these areas. Wtf even happened over there?
I wouldn't go that far, but I really enjoyed it and I'm looking forward to season 2. Aside from the rushed story (which I didn't personally mind I'm we're looking at it as a musical, but I think it's a valid criticism), my biggest complaint is setting up multiple cliff hangers in the finale of season 1. I realize a second season was already greenlit, but I think it's kind of tacky to set up one cliff hanger, let alone 3.
Definitely not the greatest show ever but I do really fricking like it despite the obvious writing flaws
>I unironically think this was the greatest show of all time, in terms of western animation there's never been anything better than Hazbin Hotel.
okay moron.
Prove me wrong homosexuals
>Prove me wrong
Go back to twitter homosexual. We aren't interested in playing your debate games. It's a shit show. no one here agrees with you. Go find somewhere else to echo chamber your own farts if you wanna sniff them.
>Everyone on Cinemaphile thinks the show is bad
>Which is why it consistently fills half of the catalog and spills out into other boards like /misc/, Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile
Yeah cause dumb homosexuals like you keep coming here, making new threads to 'prove Cinemaphile wrong' and shitting up the board as usual. Give it by Monday and you homosexuals will give up, move on to some other fricking fotm and rinse repeat the same shit there.
It's tiresome, typical and common to the point the only response is apathy or indifference.
How is it FOTM when Cinemaphile is the only reason why the pilot was so successful in the first place? We made it popular enough to get a animated series
>spills out into other boards like /misc/, Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile
no way
Yes because it’s so shit everyone talks about it there too.
I watched about 10 minutes until the bad songs and constant non sequiturs (are they meant to be jokes just because they say frick?) made me stop.
The shitposting is fun though
it's not even the best of vivzie
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Still not watching Digital Circus
If we got this ending it would have been a perfect 10/10
I greatly enjoyed it despite trying not to. It's not always good, but it's definitely unique. I'd have told you years ago that these designs were un-animateable unless they were 3D or strictly rigged like Rick and Morty. But they actually did a good job with it. And leave it to a fujo to have a show with more gay couples than straight couples and still do it better somehow than those who are actively doing it for representation. This show is atypical and you gotta appreciate that a little
>Rick and Morty
Opinion disregarded
because i dissed your favorite show or because you can't really read - you can only scan for words that make you angry and react to it like an animal?
Struck a nerve I see. Your generation is so easy to rile up.
Whole season and not a single cameo of Crymini. I'm guessing she's scrapped then
At least Baxter and Mimzy made it out of the reject pile
I don't know if I would say greatest but it is very good because nobody knows the esoteric cosmological underpinnings and it's great to see them on parade for a new generation.
Was Alastor actually being honest here?
He has literally no reason to lie to someone as brain-scrambled as Niffty.
Yes he is... Alastor represents the preChristian gods of bloodlines that were subsumed within Christian cosmology and replaced by Lucifer during it's European expansion. He is a god father type of personality, a very old one.
Med's now.
maybe you should learn more history
>esoteric cosmological underpinnings
It's preschool level symbolism. Seriously, this shit is like some normie picked up a primer on freemason signifiers.
Write an essay about it and post it, seriously, I want to know what you mean.
They killed of CHAdam. Now I will no longer watch your show.
Nah he was an self entitled insecure little b***h, like every other character except Husk
>Hazbin hotel if it was good
The main character is the single most boring protagonist in all of fiction. That show was only saved by its supporting cast.
>this was
>was
Black person, THE SHOW IS NOT OVER!
IT IS SEASON ONE OF TWO WITH POTENTIALLY MORE TO BE GREENLIT!
HOW MANY OF YOU ACTUALLY EVEN FRICKING KNOW THIS SHIT!?
> Season 2
More like the 2nd half of season 1 since many production companies like to split one season into two as a marketing gimmick and tax hoopla.
It's getting at least 5 season's like She-Ra, they could probably milk it for 10 with a 8 episode format
Post cute Lucifer and Charlie art to celebrate Adam's defeat.
cute :3
Adam is the most evil and hateable villain in fiction, so yeah. I was cheering and dancing around my room….won’t lie. Viv is a great writer.
Because he’s a monster.
>the most evil and hateable villain in fiction, so yeah
Please watch more than one show in your life
dude its not near the 1000s he is the father of humanity that has been betrayed since the start of humanity by everyone he has ever been close too turn into a immature soldier
Did anyone else actually become LESS sure about Rosie=Lilith, 'Lilith'=Eve theory from what happens in Episodes 7/8?
Alastor seems genuinely cordial with Rosie, While whenever the fact he's actually enserfed to 'someone' is brought up, He acts with pure, unfiltered malice and hatred.
Look how bad he is at actually hiding how much he hates Lucifer, Their arguing within 2 minutes of meeting. I DOUBT if 'Rosie' is actually 'Lilith' and Lilith has Alastor's balls in her purse - That he would be able to 'act nice' to her AT ALL for ANY given length of time.
Whats more, The 'Rosie'=Lilith, 'Lilith'=Eve proponents seem to act as if it was going to be the last major twist of the show, But we see Lilith now about to enter the scene, assumedly right at the start of Season 2 of what Viv said she hopes will be a 4 season series.
>Rosie
Probably the virgin marry and for sure the cannibals are Catholics. She is happy to see him and misses when he was around because he was a very real and recognized part of the early christian church in Europe.
It's definitely gonna be some ultra-moronic contrived reason for it all. Rosie being undercover because she knows Eve is being controlled by the ultimate evil 'Roo' (holy frick that's a stupid fricking name) so she has to bide her time. Rosie for some reason isn't relying on Lucifer,so is hoping somehow Charlie can be all powerful and help out.
Or perhaps get some more angels on their side since Lucifer gave up but Charlie didn't or some shit.
Basically, it will be an all out power struggled because Roo is 'God'-levels in terms of power. Since ACKSHUAL Lucifer and Satan aren't ackshually the big bads. It has to be some primordial evil force.
But I bet Roo is just mean-girls bad b***h wannabe that calls everyone c**ts,cucks and dickwads while doing creepy shark tooth grin like everyone else.
Alastor just wants to be more powerful and the big bad, outside of getting out of his supposed contract. Getting Charlie's "soul" is one way to ensure dethroning Lucifer, especially since Roo probably doesn't want any bleeding-heart demons in Hell.
So are they seriously going to end Hazbin by having every single villain in both it and Helluva Boss instantaneously become good after killing the literal root of all evil if said leak turns out to be true?
why are you assuming that Rosie is anyone special from history or the bible? None of the other overlords have been important historical figures.
Carmilla represents for the israelites.
Rosie represents for the Catholics.
Vox represents for modern progressive Christianity
Zestial is probably african voodo
Alastor is preChristian ancestor bloodline gods
Lucifer is the Christian ancestor bloodline god
for sure the hybrids are spawned by Alastor/Lucifer, possibly Carmilla and maybe Zestial, all of whom would be the "apple" in the garden of eden and patriarch/matriarch of a race of part divine people in hell.
This doesn't even make sense.
Carmilla is Spanish or Mexican, she ought to be the catholic one
Vox is literally controlling and manipulating mass media which is what the israelites are supposedly doing, not progressive Christians.
Zestial is a black actor, but he is obviously just supposed to represent old English Shakespearian plays and such. Like he has been in hell and survived for centuries when most don't survive that many exorcisms, that's why everyone's afraid of him
>Alastor is preChristian ancestor bloodline gods
>Lucifer is the Christian ancestor bloodline god
That's just schizo posting idk what that is supposed to mean.
>hybrids
Very basic info dump in the beginning is that the Sinners are infertile and can't have kids. Only Lucifer and Lilith are able to have a child, Charlie, probably because Lucifer is a Seraphim. This would technically make Charlie a Nephelium, though since she was conceived and born in hell it might not be different.
>infertile
Not according to ancient Greek, Norse, or Celtic beliefs.
Irrelevant, we are talking about a tv show, not literal historical details. In the show they explain the sinners are infertile, and in Helleva boss they also explain that the sinners are infertile and confined to the pride ring. Only the native Hellions races can reproduce, i.e. Imp's, Hellhounds, succubi, fish demons, goat demons that have little candles on there heads and sell drugs and live in the sloth ring (it's a weird show)
Point being, if you die and go to hell, you aren't having kids.
>controlling and manipulating mass media which is what the israelites are supposedly doing, not progressive Christians.
No, Christians definitely control mass media (in the West); don't be this hilariously ignorant.
Oh I see, it's the Christians promoting all the rainbow flag degeneracy because they control da TV. Real rocket scientist here folks.
I gotta ask, do you actually think this or are you goofing around/?
Good goy. Here are two shekels as a reward.
The more people who turn to Satanism and Atheism because of this masterpiece, the more I laugh. I’m showing this show to my younger cousins, their parents are Christians, and I want to kind of guide them away from that.
Heaven and Christianity are evil and oppressive, which is why I reject them for pacifistic satanism. A perfect life style. Especially for oppressed minorities.
cringe
have a nice day and rot in hell homosexual.
>Very basic info dump in the beginning is that the Sinners are infertile and can't have kids
The theory is that the earth we are now on in real life is hell. That the garden of eden story is literally just angels (or some other equivalent) fricking humans to create bloodlines of people on earth that have holy spirits/souls (the meaning of original sin).
You might say no way, but that is not a new idea. Essentially every preChristian European religion believed it. The legend has many interpretations but they all share a common core, that some kind of god fornicated with humans to create bloodlines of hybrids.
Even according to Christianity we are currently dead, but that our holy spirit is what animates our flesh. All who taste from the tree die and we all carry original sin in our blood from the story of adam and eve, according to even modern christians.
Hazbin Hotel is gnostickino?
>Hazbin Hotel is gnostickino?
extremely
if she's based on Carmilla the vampire, she is from Austrtia, I never read the book tho
Rosie is israeli. Read her character sheet. Viv described her as a "israeli aunt"
What the hell is Lilith doing chilling in heaven? She's the queen of hell, the opening title sequence say's she "thrived as the new queen of hell" so why would she want to self exile herself to heaven?
Lute says she "has to go down there and fix her daughters situation" so it's not like Lil's a prisoner, so wtf?
Lilith is apparently without sin, despite having sex with The Enemy and having a demonic child with him.
she fricked up all of humanity and its real possible adam never ate the apple in this setting but still cast out of eden she is the literal root of all human suffering and more so adams suffering having to watch the shit stain that was humanity after
Did anyone else find it weird they took More Than Anything, a sweet duet between a father and daughter, and made a romantic reprisal out of it? Or am I overthinking it?
Anon why would you say something like this? there's nothing weird about a romantic ballad between a father and his daughter
Song was weird because Lucifer implies that he was on humanity's side at some point. Kind of a weird time to drop that bomb onto the audience.
This is basic information for anyone who has dabbled in the extended Christian universe, lmao.
>paradise lost
Cool dude wanted to be a better God than God and got his shit rocked for trying
>hermeticism/gnosticism ect
Allied with Sophia and trying to free humanity from the chains of the flesh with knowledge.
No I mean the first song is fine, I just mean when Vaggie and Charlie sing it
When Lute ordered the retreat, you can see tons of dead Cannibal Town residents
It feels kind "wrong" they were the only ones to help Charlie fight this battle that was going to affect all of them.
It's Alistor manipulation, he realizes that if some segment of the sinner population has to die, it might as well be psychotic cannibals. He might be on good terms with them, but he's get friends everywhere, and his boss (Lilith) probably wants them gone for some reason.
*sniffs*
need Carmilla porn now
She's so pretty lol.
I was more into her when I could believe the giant hair spikes where ears or something, made her look like a big bat. Now she looks way too human compared too the rest of the sinners.
Oversized handjob
We need more full warform Charlie with horns and tail
It's shit writing, both in broad strokes, and details. Perfect example:
>"I hear he's got two dicks."
I get the gag, snakes have two dicks, and that's not uncommon knowledge. But to get the joke to work for everyone whether they know it or not it needs to be:
>"I hear snakes have two dicks."
This is very basic writing, putting yourself in the audience's shoes.
>inb4 you can google it
Sure you can, but the show is assigning you homework when you should be chuckling at the gag. If you even remember to look it up, or it doesn't just pass you by because it doesn't really make any sense to you, then what, you're going to laugh later when the show is over? Okay, that's great, but kinda missing the point. Maybe you could ask Viv on twitter why Pentious has two dicks and she could tell you what an idiot you are for not knowing some factoid about snake dicks. They'd be a barrel of fun.
But that's not even the biggest problem. If you don't get the reference, then you start getting confused about the characters themselves. You start wondering how Angel could know or have heard that Pentious has two dicks. He goes around offering to suck everyone's dick, did he suck Pentious' dicks before and he's just saying he 'heard' OR is Pentious not the permavirgin he appears and had his dicks sucked by some other prostitute Angel knows OR does Pentious have some existing sex life we don't know about OR does it confirm he was actually raped in the Sex Room and didn't get away?
Even if you assume he knows because of the Sex Room rape, thus maintaining his 'crap with women' character, then if you still don't get the reference you're still wondering why Pentious has two dicks. Is he some kind of mutant? Is that why he's crap with women, he's ashamed of his "deformity"?
I know this all might seem silly if do get the reference, but nobody's brain should be doing this in the middle of a show over a simple joke they're all supposed to giggle at an move on - especially at this pace.
mans really out here obsessing over Sir Pentious's two penises
>not getting Alan Tudyk to voice Pentious
What a huge frick up.
Not getting Alan Tudyk to voice anyone on the show is a big miss.
Imagine being this lame and obsessed over "details" literally nobody fricking cares about.
I'll be nice and assume your post is ironic.
Speaking of Carmine, Velvette is really lucky Carmine didnt beat the shit out of her in that meeting.
Absolute state
Alastor is a jobber
Adam is a jobber and got casually clowned by a Luci who wasn't taking it seriously at all
Truly my powerlevels were vindicated and everyone else was a moron. Still, the action in this series is still visually lacking making it feel like fricking Stolas of all people is stronger than anyone/everyone else.
Like he isn't but there are multiple scenes of him just tearing reality like a tissue and making blood rain
>Adam is a jobber
They needed to gank, sneak attack, and have the King of Hell fight to take Adam. He wasnt a jobber. If anything he far exceeded my expectations for him on that front as I assumed they'd make him a joke in combat
He ruptured Alastor's barrier with a single punch, then buckbroke him during their showdown on the roof.
That was pretty cool.
Shame he's dead, but at least Viv can't desecrate him any further. Small mercies.
>Lucifer is le STRONGEST?
Wow, you must've spend years on that powerleveling graph.
genuinely good character-building moment imo. also funny because after 8 episodes of alastor being a smug prick you don't expect him to fold so quickly.
>authors pet actually gets owned
This was a good scene even if it didn't actually have any consequences.
Anybody got a mega link?
I miss Pilot Charlie. She would have sorted this shit out no problem by being sweet.
Frick Princess Derpy Hooves.
I would do unspeakable things to this guy and I'm not even gay.
no you're gay, That is the gayest character in the history of gay characters on a very gay show, and he has turned you gay.
Yes you are.
bait used to be believable.
It is more interesting than a lot of other slop that has come out of America, that's for sure.
I require Zestial and Carmilla porn now
Haven't seen any just yet, but some cute moments are good too.
Anyone have a gif of her walking during her song?
pog, thanks bro
I wonder what her feet look like
Imagine getting clobbered by her enormous ham hands.
Why did they have to kill my homie Adam?
>died with this expression on his face
I dunno, I think he won, somehow? This doesn't look like an expression of agony or regret.
I have the suspicion this was just him dying with the small happiness that someone actually cared about him(Lute) after all the betrayals he went through in this canon.
Absolutely based take. Adam got abused pretty hard for someone who did nothing wrong. People kept acting like humanity was his progeny but sinners are more like Luci's and Lilith's kids than his and Eve's (not literally, morons figuratively).
Adam smiled because he’s finally claiming back his original kids by paying for their sins.
Sir Pentious was such a fricking CHAD holy shit.
I hope we get to see more of him in Heaven, the other mad scientist guy Viv created looks lame as hell
What I don't understand is that if Charlie and Vaggie distrust angels so much and they're killing angels then why are they even trying to send sinners to heaven? What's the point of the hotel then if you don't like or trust the people who make the big decisions to ever accept your idea?
i think it is an interesting concept, but the unnecessary swearing and the sexual/edgy humor, especially with the angel guy made it hard to watch for me
helluva boss was better in my opinion
also, most characters are over designed, and give me hard "Tumblr teen" vibes
This guy offers you an apple. Do you accept?
I know how cute he is so it's not fair.
>luci looking like a clown
>a clown looking like a snake
they switched the bodies
Their battle outfits were terrible, wear some plate or at the very least something that broadens your shoulders dumb prostitutes were supposed to inspire confidence not dress up in leotards
I don't like to make objective statements
the show was great because I had great fun
What did people think of the songs in the last two episodes? Compared to the first six, they felt kind of weak.
true to be honest
i wish Lucy coming to the rescue had a good song, like highlights from parts of his duet with Alastor :/
but it's hard to top hell is forever and others to be fair
That pic is literally Steven and Connie.
The whole part with carmine felt ripped straight from steven universe
TADC better
you have non-existent standards
It's complete dogshit aside from some of the songs and character designs. Childish characters, shallow writing, cribge-tier "vulgarity", terrible plot, woke bullshit.
>Alastor saying how he's beginning to like living with Charlie & co' at the Hotel to Niffty.
Is he lying? Or being honest?
He really doesn't have any reason he should or would lie to Niffty, Her brain is clearly so scrambled that she didn't even really pay attention to him 'admitting' that to her. And he gains absolutely nothing from telling Niffty, Whose basically his serf in the same way as Husk this.
Probably telling the truth unless he expects Niffty to act on their discussion in some way. He doesn't talk to Niffty the way he talks to people he's obviously manipulating, though. She's more like a sounding board because she doesn't have the cognitive wherewithal to judge him.
I'd say honest. He has no reason to really lie in that moment, especially to Nifty
And everyone agrees. I’m so glad all the obnoxious buttholes have left. Vivzie is truly the queen of Cinemaphile. I’m kind of happy the X gays joined Cinemaphile. Even if I hate trooners…I really appreciate you’re love of the show, love of cute boys, and your rejection of Christian bullshit. I tip my hat to you all, Viv has won, Hazbin/Helluva haters no longer exist on Cinemaphile.
And yes, this is the best show ever.
Viv is a terrible writer and a dumb Hispanic. This show sucked ass in almost every way.
It's probably because it's hard to impossible to discuss outside of Cinemaphile from what I have heard. Feminists are triggered beyond limit by this show, I have no idea why. Usually it's trannies that are seen as the most sensitive, but they usually love this series, it's only feminists that lose their shit, even people that otherwise adore space dictators and serial killers like Megatron and the likes.
I was pretty meh on it for the most part but demon charlie was pretty hot so it's at least been bumped up a half star.
If verbalase waited for this and then spent 50k on an animation featuring this fit maybe id forgive him
Final ranking
vaggie is no that bad, angel dust is 100x more annoying, why people hate her? just because she sexs charlie?
Ya i dont agree w all of the chart... ppl hate her because they think others or themselves would be better for charlie, shes ugly, not given enough story or personality or sounds like a guy ITO
She was far from worst and im not really a big fan. Shes fine by the end. The worst girl and maybe character was mimzy. At least susan had a bit of a purpose and didnt derail.
>Why people hate her
Generally bland and poor VA voice direction I suppose. She sounds bored most of the time. Also Chaggie being meh too.
Though I'd say hate is a strong word in this instance. I dont mind too much when she is on screen
>why people hate her?
Because out of the entire main cast, we got
>The doormat people-pleaser princess of hell, who manages to have even her moments, although very few.
>a Radio demon who is so desperate for control over others because he is chained himself.
>a fallen overlord who made a bad deal with the man mentioned above and is now a shell of his former self drinking his sorrows away
>a spider demon who sucks and fricks every wiener in a 1000km radius, but wants to be more than just a sex object
>a butt monkey snake demon who is so bad at being bad that you can't help but feel a little sorry for the guy
And then we have Vaggie, whose entire driving force behind every action is "Gotta do it for Charlie!" and "Muh Charlie". Vaggie is not a character. She's a tool attached to Charline. She has no agency of her own. No motivations of her own. No personality of her own. She's basically like a devoted pet.
Pretty much
A lot of insecure m*les and Fujos here jealous of Chaggie
Vaggie is a israelite (metaphorically) that loves the Savior (Charlie) even if the Savior who comes (according to israeli prophesy) is only for israelites
The show's creators did this love that israelite's a great justice with the In the End reprisal song:
>and in the end if it's only me you see
>there's something that I've been dying to say
>more than anything
>more than anything
>you need to know I love you more than anything
"in the end if it's only me you see" the religious fundamentalist theologians must be screaming
I like it but jesus christ was it RUSHED THE FRICK OUT. I thought we would have 8 episodes of wacky hotel guest shenanigans before getting serious in S2 but I think Viv knew she had to wrap it up quickly since S2 is no confirmed.
Seeing as the angels didn't know that redemption was literally built into the universe does this mean that Pentious is the first ever sinner to be redeemed in the entire history of the human race?
Can't argue with shit taste.
arcane is better
To me it's a mess and the only episode I genuinely enjoyed was 7th one.
I don't even like having to go so 'rose tinted' and defend Vivzie and the show to this extent, but it actually baffles the mind how much wilful misinterpretation and outright lying shrouded as criticism Cinemaphile and most other places that lean towards the 'hate' side of the spectrum in regards to this show engage in.
>"Da show has / is gunna abandon the whole 'Hazbin Hotel' concept by episode 2, It's going to be the Huskerdust, Yaoi, Heaven le bad show"
Clearly didn't happen, And seemingly won't happen, But they still say it.
>"Their going to depict heaven as 'ACKSHULLY' hell / evil right-wing chuds / Posh rich people killing the poor / etc" - Basically just hoping the show intentionally steps on the toes of people on *their side* of the spectrum so they can then hit back at it.
Didn't happen.
And countless other stupid claims, It really does make me think the meme of the eternal Cinemaphilentrarian is really onto something, And half the people on this board have either just not watched the show, Or have just gleamed a cursory understanding from clips and reading shit here and are [wilfully, In some cases] wildly mis-interpreting aspects of the show.
She didn't have a great first showing in that regard with Helluva Boss
Most of those people were media illiterate morons and people who just hated how gay both Hazbin and Helluva turned out to be.
Literally everything you said didn’t happen happened.
I was finishing up this character sheet and thinking about the anon who talked about his angel OC with the halo that drips ink
That was so fricking metal
Anon if you read this I want you to know your OC sounded so cool I'm still thinking about her
Since the episodes are around 20 minutes long when you exclude the opening and credits, and there's 8 episodes, that makes 160 minutes, or 2 hours and 40 minutes.That's not even as long as the Snyder Cut or Oppenheimer.
Would Hazbin Hotel done well if the entire series was also released as one movie theatrically?
If you watch the entire series in one shot like a movie, does the pacing feel better or worse?
do they have the capacity to do more than 8 eps? I dont know how expensive these were. Its all about money with these shows. Its remarkable how much did Viv had accomplished with such a limited timescreen
Pacing feels like shit no matter how you cut it but there are clear "climaxes" of every episode.
This show is very inconsistent. Episodes 2, 4, 5, 7 and 8 are pretty fricking good. The other ones are pretty bad. I am so confused.
Next to Helluva its pretty consistent, as viv clearly imrpoved. I'm glad they learned from it, but the pacing issues never gone away, probably Bezos took a blame on that to as packing all of this into 8 episodes with so many characters would have never worked out.
12 episodes would have been needed at worst.
>12 episodes would have been needed at worst.
True. It is very rushed. A shame because the good is there, just needed some extra episodes to draw it out.
Pacing isn't real. Please just say their was not enough set up, PLEASE I'm begging you.
I am once again in bed trying to sleep but thinking about an intense threesome with Alastor and Vox instead
Ok Alastor
Honestly i think the show is mid af and the only reason i feel somewhat invested is because i wanna know what happens to this guy, i hope he wins.
>Honestly i think the show is mid af and the only reason i feel somewhat invested is because i wanna know what happens to this guy, i hope he wins.
this guy runs on pure perseverance, nothing else
I mean, now that we have the last 2 episodes, if we count the pilot, I give it a 7.8/10.
It would be higher if they didn't had such a fast pace and explained a few thing like how or why Vaggie's wing grew back or the motives behind Adam, as of now, it's good but not the goat.
Adam is trying to pay for the sins of the sinners so they can come home (Heaven).
Watch more TV
Why isn't charlie considered a mary sue btw?
>has a gf literaly devoted to her that accepts every possible flaw she has and never gets angry at her
>have every power she will ever need cause lucifer
>her only "flaw" is that she is too nice and empathetic
Passing is too fast. Show needs at least 12 episodes.
I hope season 2 will be longer.
Why does Charlie only seem to care about Sinners and not the downtrodden underclass in hell? Like her, they were born in the place. You'd think she'd care. Is she just a snob?
>the downtrodden underclass in hell?
they get social, disabilities
I want all these dumb teenage girls to get out.
OR BETTER
I want to call their parents and show to the parents how mentally moronic their daughters are.
Given that they're dead and ended up in hell it's probably safe to say that their dumb choices were laid bare to whomever they left behind.
>We must battle to the death with heavens army
>Quick, pass me my thigh highs and miniskirt
I enjoyed the ride and I realize that this series is supposed to be about redemption and gay romance so the actual story is secondary, but the entire plot makes no fricking sense.
Apparently, angels can be killed by angelic weapons, but for some reason, they just leave them lying around in hell after every extermination. How long have the exorcists been doing this shit? Decades? Centuries? Long enough for Carmilla to build an entire business around selling weapons made of angelic steel, but somehow nobody thought to use them? They try to handwave this away by saying "it's not common", but then show us scenes of them just littering the ground everywhere.
Also, how did Adam not know who killed the exorcist? Their entire reason for moving up the extermination was to find the culprit, but the flashback shows Carmilla getting attacked by multiple angels, but she only killed one of them. Did the other exorcists just not bother to tell him? Presumably, they escaped, since there was only one dead angel.
Are you currently under a physician's care for brain damage? Because if not, you probably should be.
>Apparently, angels can be killed by angelic weapons, but for some reason, they just leave them lying around in hell after every extermination.
They didnt just drop all their weapons and leave. The weapons that were remaining were the ones that angels lost fighting, but that's implied to be exceptionally rare by the fact that even the elder overlords have been scared to fight angels for century. Angels also didn't know they could be killed with their own weapons so it wasn't an imperative for them to return to get any lingering dropped arms.
>Also, how did Adam not know who killed the exorcist?
The exorcists don't know who everyone in hell is. Why the frick would they? That's the whole point of the gag where Adam recognizes Angel Dust as a porn star - the implication is that Adam has no reason to know who he is beyond that he watches hell porn
They may recognize Carmilla if they saw her again but there's no reason to think the exorcists who were there would be able to name her.
Sorry, that's moronic, Carmilla has HEAPS of the weaponry. How do angels lose their weapons fighting, if no one fights back? They come with their own lone weapon, this is not Zelda: Breath of the Wild.
I think it's overall moronic, but not unexplainable. They mostly fight with spears that I imagine some of them threw/impaled in people and just left there because why bother. I'm more baffled at how the angels themselves didn't know they could be harmed. Did Lute not literally maim Vaggie using an angelic weapon??
Lute and Adam set this up so the sinners can be able to kill Adam.
>The weapons that were remaining were the ones that angels lost fighting,
Yes, that was my point.
>but that's implied to be exceptionally rare
It's implied to be rare by dialog but shown to be extremely common in the visuals.
>The exorcists don't know who everyone in hell is.
They can give a description of how she looks. That should be more than enough to find a high-profile person like her.
Vaggie goes to Carmilla to learn from the israelites how to eliminate the angels. The answer, strike the neck (to cut off the heads of their leaders), strike their loins (to keep them from reproducing), and strike their heart (to demoralize them). Also importantly to do this with the blessing of God it must be done from a position of love to defend what is loved by God.
>It's implied to be rare by dialog but shown to be extremely common in the visuals.
The visuals of the group known for getting angelic steel being in the heart of an active extermination? Damn dude i wonder if the weapons were there because it was an active extermination? I wonder if maybe the group known for controlling the angelic steel supply is better capable of getting the angels to drop their weapons than anyone else in hell? Or if maybe they're one of very few groups who goes out scavenging during the exterminations and survives?
Damn that's a real thinker, going to have to get some grad students a grant to research this
>high-profile
High-profile in hell, which we have no reason to believe matters in heaven. Alastor is as high-profile and he's even in Charlie's circle and Adam still doesn't know who he is. Angels aren't reading Velvette's Twitter shitposts to keep up with Hell's overlords.
>The visuals of the group known for getting angelic steel being in the heart of an active extermination?
What does "visuals of the group" even mean? I'm referring to the fricking flashback. That's for the audience to see and it shows angelic weapons littering the streets. Even if you're going to tell me that they collect them afterward, they obviously don't give enough of a shit because apparently they regularly for Carmine to sell and still equip a small army from just her own inventory.
Also,
>Angels also didn't know they could be killed with their own weapons so it wasn't an imperative for them to return to get any lingering dropped arms.
So do they give a shit or not? If they don't know they can be killed then it would make sense to collect them, but somehow they still leave enough for Carmilla. On the other hand, if they don't know, then why would it be rare? They seem to be chucking them like fricking spears.
>What does "visuals of the group" even mean?
Holy shit, lrn2read. The visuals of the "group known for getting angelic steel being in the heart of an active extermination" = the fricking flashback where Carmella et al (the group who is known for getting angelic steel) is in the middle of an extermination (a battle where angelic weapons are going to be most readily available)
You have no brain.
>Angels also didn't know they could be killed with their own weapons
Which is fricking stupid considering they use those weapons on other angels too (Vaggie)
>hurr angels thought they could only have their limbs cut off but not be killed durr
Nothing in this series makes much sense if you aren't a brainlet and think for more than 5 seconds
one thing i didnt understand is how they just let alastor back in at the end without asking any questions
he was supposed to be dead, so if he isnt he turned tail and is a traitor, since his one job was probably the most important of the entire hell army
unless everyone expected him to do so anyways
Scoobdy doo mystery inc is better. Ben 10. Generatoe Rex.
i too think oranges are superior to apples
It's a solid 6.5/10 that clearly suffered from too long of a development cycle, not enough episodes, and Vivzie really not being a great writer. Most of the songs were bangers, so if she gets a competent writer and lore person on board season 2 could probably be pretty great.
Canon powerlevels
nice bait
>Adam on Charlie and overlord tier
He was generally wrecking all of em.
He's at the top, probably S as well but his fight with Luci didnt look remotely close and Charlie managed to stop an attack that destroyed Al's shield when she was mad. Like he said she has great potential
Vox canonically beat Alastor who is a top dog in the show, as far as sinners go. Carmilla has very powerful weapons and beat exorcists on the reg and alsp wasnt breaking a sweat against vaggie who beat lute
>Vox canonically beat Alastor
where did you get this information? from the lunchbox aŕt?
It's from his song. Val says "you still mad he almost beat you that one time?" Then Al went missing for 7 years. Now that could easily be interpretted differently but i just took it literally
I figured it was in a television vs radio kind battle. Considering they were close enough to try to make Alastor into a Vee (AyyVee?), Alastor was presumably done with his torture shows and doing normal broadcasts at that point. He might have only "lost" because his deal necessitated him leaving or something.
this seriously how esls watch western shows? I wonder how much more meaning is lost due to eslhomosexualry
Wow get a load of this cool guy who understands a deviantart oc show on a level no one else can
I think it's that one quote from Valentino were he mentions that Alastor "Almost beat [Vox] that one time"
The clue to that riddle is Vox wanted Alastor to join his team. The truth is that Christianity did absorb the preChristian gods that fathered ancestor bloodlines, so Vox (the church) Adam (the modern myth) and Lucifer (the old myth) did supplant, but never really replaced Alastor. Alastor can't die because he represents the original god father of a bloodline of hybrids, he might get forgotten for a while but not die. Adam (the new myth) did successfully silence the old understanding, which was already muddled by the conflation of Lucifer with Alastor in the old Christian church.
your theory sucks and you know it
How do pagan gods fit in then?
Most pagan gods are part of cosmologies that share a core creation myth about god/human hybrids, so you could interpret them as essentially of the same type of thing as angels from the Christian version of the story.
You mean that explanation about pagan gods actually being fallen angels trying to imitate god's likeness?
What I mean is most religions are different interpretations of the same events. So they naturally share common elements.
That's the Christian explanation on how pagan gods share some similarities with Christianity.
How about demi gods like Heracles? Isn't he a hybrid also?
Yes, Heracles is essentially equivalent to Lucifer or Alastor but as understood within the framework of ancient Greek religion. Even Alastor's name alludes to the deliberate nature of this connection in the show.
I would think Heracles would be able to beat Lucifer easily, hands down.
>Alastor's name alludes to the deliberate nature of this connection
He isn't the only one with a very illuminating name. Carmilla is a metaphor for the people of the israeli church, both in name and in the show.
Why is anyone trying to put analysis into this show?
>Why is anyone trying to put analysis into this show?
read the american gods, HH is pretty much a copy of it in this regard. In the american gods (just like in Discworld) your powerlevel depends on how many believers you have
Yeah.
Look, I admit some of your ideas are pretty cool but let's be honest its wasted here. You're better off taking all this inspiration and knowledge and channeling it into a fictional property of your own making.
Viv is not a good writer and did not put this level of forethought into Hazbin Hotel's worldbuilding. Just a casual inspection of the show reveals this.
The storytelling is so lean that its ribcage is visible. 95% of what occurred in S1 is utilitarian in nature, designed to push to plot from one set piece to the next and then immediately forgotten.
>Adam (the new myth) did successfully silence the old understanding
Referenced in the show when Lucifer tells Charlie that he doesn't want her to get crushed by them like he was. Also referenced tangentially in the show when Adam breaks Alastor's microphone.
Why are Carmilla and Vox in A tier? All signs show that their influence comes from their business empires, not from personal strength. Carmilla is B tier at best and Vox we barely know anything about, but he's likely either B or C.
>Niffty not in S tier
She literally killed Adam without effort
Lute is stronger than Vaggie, even with one hand she still easily wrestled her.
They're really close, but Id argue Vaggie was caught off guard worrying about Charlie. If they actually fought again at that point Lute is getting exorcised
I doubt it, unless they'll be fighting in ruins of a hotel again.
The real canon powerlevel
Why is Mimzy in C
I meant Nifty. Holy frick these names.
Because she's a bloodthirsty wild card and one of Alastor's minions. I can't put her in the same tier as people like Mimzy and Tom, who are cowards that can't defend themselves (and Katie is most likely an 'all bark no bite' type of b***h)
Need a swan mommy to teach me how to behave
Adam getting fatter in hell because he is stress eating his failures.
Reminder that Vivziepop liked this on twitter
Adam is coming back to greet the sinners in Charlie’s hotel, and shock everyone there because he’s still in his original body.
How the frick do you delude yourself into thinking this. Hazbin s1 was enjoyable but left a lot to be desired. A 5/10 in execution and an 8/10 in enjoyment. But the fricking best western animation? How can you possibly thing this was better than Arcane or TLAB?
The worst thing I can say about it is that there wasn't enough of it. No way Amazon doesn't give her the bag after this though.
Niffty is for....
Stabbing Angels
I hate that there's no on-model porn for her.
You'd have to go to the furry porn sites to find decent porn of her, there's plenty there.
I checked but most is too offmodel. She either has giant assets or she's human sized.
Anybody got the mega?
Vox can’t be crazy enough to think he can actually take on Lucifer right?
Vox probably thinks by forging Angel weapons, he can do it, combined with his media network. There’s a lot of dead Angel bodies, so I wouldn’t be shocked if his team swiped a few of them for mass production at this point.
Pretty much what i think is going to happen is that Vox is going to try to strike a deal with angels now that he knows angelic weapons can kill angels like Lucifer. He can use Sera’s paranoia to get a deal with her in exchange for protection or something.
Vox and Sera already know each other and you see them sharing the same technology in their architecture in Episodes 2 and 6.
This is true. I also feel that with Sir Pentious now in heaven, Sera is going to try to convince him to be a general for the angelic army, in a scheming plot to try to finish Hell once and for all. This is going to have Sir Pentious conflicted as all hell.
imo just want to become the next middle manager
The show was great.
Never expected it to turn out this good, looking forward to season 2.
It's not even the greatest show of all time in that universe
You'd ever think there would be a single sinner being tired of Hell and wants nothing but to destroy it?
>Melt away the curses and sin.
>Life was a mistake.
>Humanity itself is a failed experiment.
MAY CHAOS TAKE HELL!
>Humanity itself is a failed experiment.
According to the foundational myths of essentially all religions, God sent a cataclysm (Atlantis sank, flood myths, etc.) to wipe out humanity once already (but allowed a remnant to survive to try again to be good this time). Supposedly another purge or conflict is inevitable depending on how things go this time.
Eve will be this, it's obvious. She's the og sinner.
They should use Adam's corpse as a decoration in front of the hotel.
No. Adam’s corset will disappear.
I assume the cannibals ate him
>I assume the cannibals ate him
they do every Sunday
I hope he revives in hell the same way sir pentious revived in heaven. Then they hand him over to the cannibals to be devoured for eternity. Sinners can't be killed by other sinners, they just regenerate there body parts, so the cannibals could just eat him alive for millennia, fricker deserves it.
Or he joins the hotel, his songs are awesome. Either way i'm good
Adam showing up at the hotel would be fun but I hope they wait until season 3 to do it, or maybe as a teaser at the very end of season 2. It would feel a little bland if he popped right back up
I think the people who claim this is some horrid shit just because of the swearing and overly designed characters have not seen the type of adult comedies that are out there. Which is what this is at the end of the day, despite all the talk of heaven genocide, it's mostly comedic and heartfelt, not a drama. There's a lot of terrible shit out there.
Pic related is among the least terrible ones that's come out recently, and I'm sure most of the anons hating on Hazbin wouldn't be able to stomach 10 minutes of it.
No see, Hazbin is painful to sit through because it has all the elements to be genuinely good and set itself apart from the average shitty adult comedy but Viv's horrible writing+pacing just drags it down and she refuses to let somebody else apart from her or her gay friend write the scripts. I was pretty moronic when I was 13 and even my fanfiction from then had better story structure than Hazbin. I haven't seen your pic related show but I'm going to assume it doesn't do things like try to tug at your heart strings out of nowhere with a sappy ballad about how much a character we just met 2 minutes ago loves her daughters.
>but I'm going to assume it doesn't do things like try to tug at your heart strings out of nowhere with a sappy ballad about how much a character we just met 2 minutes ago loves her daughters.
I would rather have unearned songs like that than watch 3 minutes of shit like Hoops or the Brickleberry cinematic universe (yes, that's a thing). The pacing is definitely off, but I've seen way worse on shows that have more time. They fail at make me emotionally engaged in the story but they don't fail at make me like the characters. I don't wanna rip my ears and eyes out of annoyance at any point like many other adult cartoon comedies.
>unearned songs
It's not though because the show is just a vehicle to convey the cosmology through the songs
Just because there are worse shows doesn’t mean hazbin hotel is good. That’s a mind boggling cope.
It's good because it creates far better character dynamics and fun moments than the generic sitcom crap. But it stands out BECAUSE it's on an environment of even worse shows.
Are you high? What character dynamics? Based solely off the show you know next to nothing about these characters, it’s a bloated cast of the same 3 personalities. Just be honest and say you like the tumblr sexy man designs
You have to be blind of hatred to not see any of the dynamics the show has laid down already
Or you just enjoy slop.
Thread has given you enough reasons for why they like it, you're just blind with hatred. Accept it and move on.
>filename
Vox is so cute what a dork underneath all of his power and the image of himself presents to the rest of hell
Can science explain why I want the TV to frick me so badly
Valentino being annoyed at Vox saying seeing Alastor job is better than sex is funny to me
Ha. I didn’t notice that.
Do you guys think we will ever see Lucifer and Gabriel interacting and get a reference to how Lucifer got BTFO by him literally stat-checking him?
No. Lucifer will lose his mind when Adam walks around casually in hell with a hole in his chest and winning over the Sinner’s hearts.
I’m posting this question in the active Hazbin threads.
On the small chance that anybody here is a 40k fan, who can I put in as Adam and Angeldust in “You Didn’t Know”?
I’m making a small animatic of the “Crackprostitute/wienersucker” part with Lute as a regular SOB but I can’t decide what to make Adam. I was thinking a Custodes (more on looks) or a Black Templar (more on ideals). I was also just putting a Noise Marine in for Angeldust in the viewing orb, but if there are more fitting characters I wouldn’t mind hearing about it (I was thinking about making Angeldust Yvraine, Charlie as Cawl, and Emily as Guilleman but that would have been too messy at that point and wanted to pull back to just unnamed stock troops. Maybe someone can convince me otherwise though?)
It'd be impossible to convince me the absolute clusterfrick of this shows Cosmology, so plot, isn't caused the fact A24 owns Charlie and everything else in the show 100% and viv wasn't willing to also give them the things she desperately needs to keep making gay birb fanfiction with Hell of a Boss.
>Overlords and Demons? Same thing, same power level lol.
>circles of hell, imps, hellhouds, demon princes, Gay Birds? What are you talking about anon there is only Charlie and her Dad and things I've contractually handed over to Amazon
Pretty Bad overall. Every Cinemaphile plot idea for how to handle the Hotel over the last few years has been structurally better. Besides I AM CAIN I AM YOUR b***h tier cursing it wasn't even a black comedy.
We don't need Helluva Boss on this after the way it shit the bed. The show is actively better by ignoring that other one.
>demystifies heaven, it's just hell but with clean gays
>angels demons sinners saved all same thing same powerlevel
>TEAM REBALANCE is how dying in hell/heaven now operates, no one is ever really gone
>"hell of their own making" was right there in the original premise of overlords doing all the misery as princes/inner circles left sinners to suffer together to smartly answer how the hotel could redeem people without literally going to heaven
Viv not wanting Amazon to own creative elements she's using for Hellofaboss is why Hazbin is so substandard. This was all there in the pilot, but clearly she signed a very ironic deal with the devil for... digital distribution... so is desperate to keep what she can. Fully expect a tarnished 3rd show with OG premise told from a different perspective as a web series in 202X
>demystifies heaven, it's just hell but with clean gays
Helluva Boss already did that
>angels demons sinners saved all same thing same powerlevel
Power levels are dogshit and I don't care about them. It's not a shonen either.
>TEAM REBALANCE is how dying in hell/heaven now operates, no one is ever really gone
Adam is gone.
It's better to ignore helluva boss. In fact, cancel that show and put all the resources to Hazbin.
and Demons? Same thing, same power level lol.
we don't know yet, the only time we have seen a demon and overlord/sinner interact was in Helluva boss where the imps (demons) are talking to low level sinners seeking contracts. In that situation it's pretty clear the imps know the sinners could easily rekt there shit if they wanted too given that the sinners are immortal and Imps can be killed, though the imps are better fighters admittedly.
If you are referring too Sinner Overlords like Alastor vs. Demon deadly sin Beelzebub, Satan, Ozmodius, etc. Then who knows? The 7 sins are on par with lucifer though, who is clearly a step above the overlords.
It's a moot question though, Sinners are trapped in the pride ring, while the 7 sin demons are in the other rings, they won't interact unless the rules change.
Yeah, this is staying. This is what studios demand of animated shows they give no promotion like Pantheon, so it's ass is saved for now.
Now I hate to resurrect the soul of Voxanon but there seems to be some setup with the horns being separate from the mask itself? The shot lingered over it flickering for a second, too. It seems weird to rig a whole new puppet? (as opposed to just using her regular human one)
It’s simply implying Adam based his masks around Lute’s more monstrous angel form.
What's the point of that, though? If Adam's dead nothing is going to come of it.
Adam is coming back to life, and it’s a lore reason why Adam wears the lamb mask. Since he’s basically saying, “I am her mate” with it on. He also needs the mask to better hide his secret plan to save sinners and allow them to become winners. Otherwise, his and Lute’s faces will give it away.
By the way, in the Lute and Lilith/Eve beach scene, Lute is telling Eve, “I am the mother now”.
Oh… Adam is going to be soooooooooo mad at Sera. Then again, she always looked like the evil mastermind in heaven. So she probably would’ve stopped Adam from fulfilling the redemption plan.
>Adam is coming back to life
She pretty much is fricking up Heaven badly, so alot of people being mad at Sera is definitely happening. I can even see people like Michael coming down to question her, or even worse, Gabriel, who just wants to go full warpath mode. I don’t think Sera is ready for either of them to drop on down.
Sera will too focused on Hell and Heaven, that she wouldn’t notice the disappearance of Adam’s body.
Pretty much. It took Heaven a whole WEEK to figure out that an Angel died, while its corpse was still in hell.
Oh. So, Adam is going to sneak up on her.
>Adam died but isn't shown in overlord form for the epic team rebalance
>Alestor gets cucked by Adam and doesn't call in his favor (forcibly marrying charlie to rule hell)
Viv is sidelining both. It's childhood divorce mommy issues time and you better like it.
>Adam is coming back to life
I dont know anon, lute pretty much confirmed he is dead. If his death was transient, they wouldnt bother to spell it out at the very fricking end of the season, in the foreshadowing cliffhanger scene
Jesus’ Apostles and mother thought he was dead too. Until he shown himself to them three days later.
“It is finished.”
Because Sir Pentious is in Heaven, we already know that the very universe would refuse to allow the sinless Adam to die either. He died to give them life.
>we already know that the very universe would refuse to allow the sinless Adam to die either
the world building is inconsistent, the strongest clue we have is that angelic weapons kill angels forever
I figured it was more like angelic steel can harm angels at all
Yeah if he was really dead wouldnt it make sense for his Halo to disintegrate eventually?
girls, look! We're number one in the USA!
Is it just a massive amount of dweebs watching and rewatching this, or has it breached well into normie-land?
It’s definitely normieland. A lot of people are also starting to dress up as Alastor at conventions, which is helping out tremendously.
Vaggie gets to be the face of us being number 1!
Massive internet popularity+musical+broadway celebrities+releasing in empty months in terms of movies/TV equals profit.
I hope they realise that cartoons + anime >>> live action shit. Maybe they will even realise that you can move on from American Dad clones and super safe toddler shit.
This is what bothers me the most about cartoons. You either get uninspired ugly copies of American Dad with gore and sex jokes for boomers or boring adventures "with moral", designed to be streamed in the kindergarten. Even as someone that love Transformers I was incapable of watching Earthspark for that reason. Its Bee was good, but he cannot carry that show, especially not when it focuses on a bunch of samey kiddie characters.
I am just worried people will praise it as if it's some masterpiece and many creators will copy both it's good sides and it's awful flaws.
It has enough detractors to create a balanced perspective of being an enjoyable show with flaws
The good successful series never get copied, only the bad ones. You get a billion Family Guy clones but never another Primal.
Pretty much. This whole concept of hazbin hotel is also directly from Panty & Stocking, and we know how crazy that show was popularity wise. Insane that they are only NOW thinking of doing a season 2. Hazbin hotel proves that this concept was what everyone wanted to see.
Yeah I can't wait for PSG2. Ironically it comes out at the right time now that Hazbin was that successful. I generally feel like PSG has gained most of its popularity over the years. Back when it was airing the threads were very active and hyped, but it was more of a Cinemaphile thing and the usual fans of it that I see posting or drawing this nowadays seem younger or at least not the type of person that torrented anime in 2010.
I’m excited for it too. I want to see what they can do with the ideas now. And who still has the image of the finale? Aka when P&S broke Cinemaphile?
The surprise, I'm actually a demon line of the finale has a special place in my heart. I recommended that show to many friends over the years and always overhyped the ending when I did.
Is there a release date set for it yet? Search engines are just giving me garbage AI generated reviews when I search for "new panty and stocking release date" and "panty and stocking season 2 release date"
I hate the state of search engines today
No but it'll probably be in summer once dungeon meshi finishes airing.
>NOW thinking of doing a season 2
They left Gainax pretty much right after P&S, after which Gainax was basically a shell company. They announced season 2 as soon they got the rights to it.
Are we for real!? Is PSG finally getting a season 2?!
No joking, yes.
Normies love it. It's all over Facebook and such.
>normies
You can go back there too.
Sooo... Sera is gonna want total Hell annihilation now huh? everybody must have saw that her fears weren't mistaken, Hell it is way too dangerous now
All of this wouldn’t have happened if she actually listened to Charlie’s idea in the first place. Her own paranoia caused this to go down. Don’t get me wrong, Charlie is a massive idiot, but Sera’s even more stupid if she actually thought rushing a purge would do anything good for her.
Adam did listen to Charlie’s idea, he had to keep pushing for the extermination to make the idea work under his sinless death.
SHE FRICKING DID ITTTTTTT!
>top 10 in hungary
mi a a fasz
I assume being a comedy musical this is popular as frick on tiktok, getting the beetlejuice guy for adam was pretty clever.
Wish I knew how it's doing in my country but have no prime. Would be baffled if it was among the top 10, we are full of shit and meeting another cartoon watcher need a miracle. Not even kids like cartoons here, only immigrants from certain countries and only battle shounen.
Top 10 in Hungary explained:
literally NOONE uses that shit here, warez sites are so popular that original publishers pay them just to make them delay the upload of their content for free by some days or weeks.
So top 10 in Hungary = instead of 0 people, it was like 3 people watching it.
I dunno', it overthrew Reacher, and that's boomercore. I think there's an audience there; even if it isn't the largest.
That it's in top 3 almost everywhere is a massive triumph for indie animation!
its 3rd in El Salvador
It's probably the best liberal calarts show I've seen, so if all you watch is fricking SU and Star, sure.
There's like a drop of honesty in the thing, Lucifer shows dads suffer too, Vaggie shows that lesbians aren't invulnerable or flawless, Angeldust is a junkie trying to finally do right. The message isn't purely ideological and instead focuses on an ethical problem the author has with Christianity, and she's not the only person who's posed the question.
It mostly falls flat in the actual creativity of Hell's depiction. Cannibal town was actually really cool, and I was hoping to see more of them fighting during the final battle (you could have given them claws and had some really baller, Voldo-style action sequences). Everyone outside of cannibal town up until this point has just acted like a shitty, modern American, and you'd think Hell would be more diverse than that since there's already an Australian on the cast (and whatever the frick Valentino is). You'd also think things would just be scarier in general. Hell just looks like a shitty American city.
>hell is just san francisco
>but what gets u into heaven?????????? Huh???? Huh???!/?? belief in God, repentance of sin in life, morality
>Gods punishment is being separated from him (and the devil, hi Dad, does everything else)
The cherubs trying to redeem the evil hekkin capitalist inventor in hell of a boss already laid it out. Lynchpin of the show is everyone getting a case of the dumbs during Charlies epic christopher hitchens moment. It really comes off as Viv tilting at windmills because the pilot and some parts of hazbin weren't entirely built on contrivances.
If this is calarts to you, you need your eyes checked. I'm really happy for this show as it proved hand drawn animation still has a place, and that beanmouth crap with its premade templates and outsourced animators, what plagued animation for many years is finally over.
Now if only capeshit would die out...
calarts never meant anything
Viz is calarts.
It's where she met half the cast of this show, you muppet.
>calarts
absolutely meaningless term nowadays
She cute
This was the best bad show I’ve watched in a long time and I mean that sincerely.
Realistically, how strong is Michael? I don’t follow up on lore, but wouldn’t he be in the same league power wise as Adam, or lower?
If he exists in the HHverse, he should be in the same league as Lucifer at the very least.
I thought lucifer was meant to be the most best angel
If you take the old Christian theology about fallen angels fricking in the garden to make hybrids (of which you now might be descended) seriously then yes, Lucifer is the most powerful and brightest angel of heaven.
Absurdly powerful. People like to post Vergil from Devil May Cry here, so I’ll explain it like this. Michael is the originator of the Judgement Cut. That alone should tell you how strong he is. He would stomp Hell & Lucifer as if it was a mere Tuesday. But he’s also very levelheaded.
>He would stomp Hell & Lucifer as if it was a mere Tuesday. But he’s also very levelheaded.
Imagine how kino would a hazbin musical piece of Michael banishing Lucifer from heaven be
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Michael is an Archangel, and according to the usual Christian ordering (as found in the biblically accurate even if very philosophical The Celestial Hierarchy by an extremely famous theologian) that's not very high at all (bottom triad), but the seraphim are the tippy-toppest. However, St. Michael is also said to be the captain of all of the angelic legions, which may or may not include angels higher than him. So it's a bit ambiguous, but I guess it can be slightly (very slightly) analogous to the Hindu caste system. Kshatriya are below Brahmin in the hierarchy, but the kshatriya are the badass warrior caste while Brahmin are the theologians or 'priests' (can you even call them that? I don't actually know much Hinduism). So, while perhaps St. Michael has less grace than a Seraph, he'll be the one to actually own the demons by leading the angels into the fray on Judgement Day.
black anon here, wheres the mega
You’d have to be the biggest homosexual on Earth to believe this.
I had a lot of fun with it. Probably my favorite show from the last five years together with Primal.
Not that there was any serious competition to begin with. Pantheon was good, Scavenger's Reign, Fired on Mars, Scott (if that counts) and Helluva Boss (albeit very uneven and therefore much weaker) if you don't count movies. That's it. Every other cartoon series was garbage IMO.
>Every other cartoon series was garbage IMO.
its so sad, there are no good shows anymore
why his face is like this?
the voodoo imagery is a reference of how he's someone else's puppet. Peeps keep saying Lilith but likely he's going to be Roo / Eve's puppet.
i do so enjoy when characters put on new little outfits
The world loves a bunch of DeviantArt OCs.
most of them aren't even that bad. Worst offender has to be the weird green dog thing in the overlord meeting that thankfully never appears again.
>the voodoo imagery is a reference of how he's someone else's puppet.
It's actually a reference to his ethnicity.
Alastor is from Louisiana and is half Creole.
>Season 2 leaked scene
i remember that the leaks about Adam and Sir serpent were posted in this shitty board more than a a week ago... so im gonna consider the posting about Adam return as demon as legit leaks.
Good for you but,
If this show was done in the basic cal arts bean style no one would watch it and it would be rightfully dragged. Style over substance.
I mean yeah. Cartoons are always at least half about style or they SHOULD be. Do you think Primal, Samurai Jack or anything would work with generic spaghetti limbs and frog eyes or calarts? The main reason for why I stick to cartoons is that they are fun to watch, fun to look at and that the style can even make the most straightforward stories cool as shit, see Gurren Lagann and the likes.
Live action puts me asleep and it lacks the passion and dynamic drawn series have.
Samurai Jack and Primal were well written ( up until the end ) also I didn’t ask for your life’s story.
I said zero shit about myself idiot. And since you have trouble reading I repeat it more clearly: I didn't imply that they were badly written. My point is that calarts or RaM-styled Primal would be shit. No story can save this, because the style and look is an essential part of a cartoon.
Panty and stocky at least had nice visuals, people who enjoy the cluttered aesthetic of hazbin hotel were raised on iPads
The show directly takes from both Invader Zim, which Viv has stated multiple times influenced her artstyle, and P&S, so it’s not surprising that it works well. People have been demanding more shows like those two for years, and nothing came out of if until now. I’m not shocked that it’s doing so well based off that alone. Studio Trigger quite literally was too late to pull the trigger for season 2
I don’t understand the point you’re making, invader zim and panty and stocking aren’t visually cluttered vomit.
I never had an apple product and I don't even use phones outside of google maps, cope homosexual. People aren't a hivemind.
It’s just a cartoon, don’t take it so personally, no one’s taking your precious rule 34 away.
Hey guys, I’ve been thinking:
Would you describe this show as a Satanist cartoon? I’m thinking of how I would summarize it to my boomer parents, and I think that’d cover it.
late meme
why was vaggie's angel form kinda hot though?
Two eyes probably helps
Lies, hottest girls are cyclops
I know heaven has catgirls but I want to believe the headcanon that people lose their human form once they get to hell and adam going to hell and becoming an actual imp would be cinema.
Adam goes to hell and reincarnates as pig. It would be lazy but it fits his chauvinistic pig persona and it gives the fat Adam anons more fetish fuel.
biblically maybe, though that depends on how you interpret certain translations of the original text of the bible and assuming you even accept Lucifer's existence as a single angelic entity in the first place (which is not necessarily biblically accurate, there's a whole fricking thing about the origins of the Lucifer being a mess of mistranslations and religious retconning), but all that aside, hazbin universe as 6 other angels from the OG angelic council that are implied to be on par with Lulu.
For a female centric show, it was MEN who had a better fight with Adam. Charlie may have demon magical girl powers, but she jobbed so that her dad could save him. She also had to make a deal with a GUY to find out about angels being killable. It was also a DUDE who also found out about someone else killing said angel.
>a MALE did a thing
god forbid
Just saying, the boys had more highlights than the girls. It was like that in Helluva Boss and it is kind of a thing too for Hazbin, despite Viv's claims that HH is suppose to be female driven.
I genuinely believe that women are much harder to write unless you are literally writing men and changing the gender to make them female but leaving the personality as it is. Hazbin is even pretty good with its female characters compared to the majority of media. Even most of the shows with female MCs write them as tame, social and moral and generally boring. It's almostalways the male characters and especially male villains that stick out, do their own thing and become iconic.
Maybe part of it is fear of making women look bad, I don't know. But I think we need more female Adams, Hitlerinas and female Darth Vaders in fiction.
>writing men and changing the gender to make them female but leaving the personality as it is
I have no problem with this strategy.
It was novel and cool in the 70s but its pretty boring now.
>Hazbin is even pretty good with its female characters compared to the majority of media.
I agree. Hazbin does a good job of having empowered female characters without coming off as a show about girl power
Yes, everyone knows it’s not really a female centric show. Viv only said that to get people off her back for doing such a shit job at writing Millie, and she knew that simply having another show with a female MC and two or three other relevant female characters was gonna be good enough to get her rabid fanbase to back her up.
Personally I would prefer just to ignore this and move on instead of actively encouraging the show makers to get up their own asses in gender politics. It doesn’t even change the fact that Millie is still shit so it doesn’t matter.
It’s a female centered show because Lute.
It did have a lot of female characters though, it's just the male ones are exclusively the ones getting the most quality writing and interactions.
Speaking of PASWG, do you think they'll do a shot-out to Hazbin Hotel given the very similar themes and sense of humor they share and its overwhelming popularity both inside and outside Japan?
>PASWG does a shout-out in good fun, having Panty and Stocking instantly take out an obvious Charlie reference because these two angels are idiots and they weren't paying attention to what she was saying
>Viv gets mad about it
Could see something silly like that happen.
I had always thought Hazbin Hotel tries to be PASWG, but fails. You got the character who is obsessed with sex, cursing up to eleven, adult jokes, 2D style animation, etc. The only difference is that PASWG shows angels being the heroines while Hazbin and by extension, Helluva, shows the opposite with demons in the good light.
I wouldn't be surprised if vivz has watched/is a fan and has been heavily inspired by it while creating HH/HB, PASWG is definitely the kind of show she'd dig.
Vaggie is just a Stocking rip off
>long hair with a similar end
>ribbon in same spot
>both have a reveal that they're the opposite of what they claim to be. Vaggie isn't a demon she's an angel, Stocking isn't an angel, she's a demon
>both finales are heavily dependent on them finally figuring out angelic weapons can hurt angels
Pretty much. I’m really surprised nobody called this out. They are exactly the same. The only difference is that one doesn’t betray the other at the end.
Would be a lot cooler if she did. That would have at least made her character interesting.
Also on the topic of Vaggie. I fricking hated her "live because i let you" bullshit. Worst trope ever. She's happy to kill the other exorcists she slayed in the fight, but draws the line at the one who took her eye and wings? Gimme a fricking break, Vaggie. I hope Alastor uses his favor to ask Charlie to break up with her.
Yep, basically
>Vaggie is Stocking without the gothic e-girlta aesthetic and sex appeal
>Panty is a mash up between Angel Dust, Adam and Cherri Bomb
>Sir Pentious is Brief
>Husk is Garter without the pedo/SM tendencies
>Lute and Carmilla are basically Kneesocks ( also one of Carmilla's daughters looks similar to her)
>Alastor the sexyman OC that Viv doesn't want to share
>Valentino is that one horny booger ghost
>Vaggie is also the shit ghost from episode one
The sides aren't so clear. The demons were the enemies but they were enemies because they care about "RUUULES". Panty is an anarchist prostitute who opposes them. She is the MC so you are supposed to side with her not the others, but technically the demons of PSG behave more like the Angels of HH so you have the same messages here, just swapped outfits.
Not really. Because Scanty and Kneesocks still follow and are bound by rules. While Panty proves more of freedom to do whatever you like, even when listening to a higher being. That's what it means to be an angel.
This is exactly what I said. The roles are reversed.
Angels in PSG = freedom and anarchy, Demons = enforcement of rules and power structures.
Demons in HH = = freedom and anarchy, Angels = enforcement of rules and power structures.
It's trying to be that but also pretending to be Invader Zim and Nightmare Before Christmas.
Panty owns Alastor's soul. She took on his libido in exchange for him receiving the powers of ghosts she slays. That's why he's an ace in the hole.
Carmilla gets into the panty selling business after realizing Panty's panties are also angelic weapons.
I like to think the entire angelic weapon shit in hazbin is just an allusion to the psg ending of "do you think our angelic weapons can hurt angels?" "idk never tried"
Isn't it a bit too recent?(I know that hh has been a thing for quite a while but still)
If the creators like the show, definitely. I remember they put steven universe references in one of their animes.
Time to rewatch Helluva boss from the start because I miss the more adequate pacing and gay melodrama.
Should've been voiced by Alan Tudyck
Well, whatch more stuff i guess
Alastor is so fricking cool
part of me wants to bet that roo is also gonna be viv's interpretation of the prostitute of babylon or some shit
who knows that might be too smart for her though
Anyone got the mega for eps 5 and 6? I got 1-4 and 7,8
No.
I thought shilling wasn't allowed
He killed thousands.
honestly first thing i thought of was when i heard "someone is going to die" is its going to be sir pentiouse having a fakeout death beacuse he is too much of a "good guy" or part of the "good guys".
but sort of expected adam but it caught me by nearly complete suprise. he fits the first villain is defeated/killed but i thought they would have mercy on him or something with the whole "redemption" thing but nope sudden stab that they probably wanted to make people think was some betrayal or sir pentiouse surviving the blast
They did try to have mercy on him, but Nifty gonna Nift.
Oh Nifty *Laugh track*
I'm sure Sera will understand.
Alastor doing cool shit and being smug is the only reason I watch this show
I wasn't disappointed with show Alastor, but I do really miss the manic Looney Tunes energy he had in the pilot.
I get production efficiency/character overlap, but him rapidly alternating between horror and wacky jazz was the best part of the pilot.
post Lilith's feet
Crazy how so much of the criticism of this show boils down to either people missing obvious things ("why would the angels cancel the extermination after getting slaughtered and realizing they can die for the first time ever") and people being upset that some piece of the lore that wasn't integral to the storyline isn't fully explained yet, as if the first season of a show needs to act like an encyclopedia for every bit of lore in the universe.
Sounds pretty par for the course for internet cartoon discussion.
>Waaaah
Okay Viv
Extermination was agreed on by Sera and Lucifer.
In any other story, Michael would appear and wrangle Lucifer. He should be thankful Heaven allows him and Charlie even exist.
Lucifer would kick Michaels ass.
Oooor how about stupid piece of character moments like Vaggie not knowing that her own weapon can hurt her? If your going to defend shitty writing at least go all out.
I didn’t say all the criticism was invalid. That one is definitely valid. Really, all Vaggie hate is valid. She's the worst character by far and the biggest stain on the show. I guess Nifty isn't the only character who liked naming stains.
There are parts of the writing where not thinking about it is defendable/expected, and parts that aren't. Vaggie not knowing angelic weapons and hurt angels definitely falls into the latter.
It’s written like someone with unregulated adhd. Cope
You’re dickriding a badly written show and aren’t even addressing more serious complaints with how rushed everything is and how none of the characters remain consistent in their motivations.
>Charlie is outright told that none of the sinners are being let into heaven in the first episode but continues on as if nothing happened
>Carmella is against fighting the angels until Vaggie asks her for help
>We’re supposed to find the song Losers powerful because it makes the false equivalence of a sex slave and a bartender both being losers
>Despite nobody knowing how to get into Heaven, everyone seems to know what NOT TO DO to get into Heaven
>The show conveniently avoids actually trying to get sinners to repent for what they did while they were alive
This just some of the plot holes that I could think of. If you pay attention to every episode and take notes you can find a bunch of bullshit that doesn’t make sense.
NTA, but.
is outright told that none of the sinners are being let into heaven in the first episode but continues on as if nothing happened
So you would prefer she just abandon her idea immediately? Like 'Frick, welp, I tried.' and then just close the Hotel in episode 1? Can't that just be taken to show her as being characterized as someone with a lot of determination?
>>We’re supposed to find the song Losers powerful because it makes the false equivalence of a sex slave and a bartender both being losers
He isn't a sex slave, But we do see in Episode 5 that Husk is very literally Alastor's slave and whatever has happened off-screen between them becoming Alastor's slave and the show starting has made Husk genuinely afraid of him [Literally shaking etc]
is against fighting the angels until Vaggie asks her for help
Well that could just be said to be a character convincing another character to their cause over the run of the story. Not some sort of plot hole.
Your other more worldbuilding/setting critiques are quite fair though. But at the same time we don't 'know' that their not going to have Angel Dust or someone else apologize for what they did when they were alive.
>So you would prefer she just abandon her idea immediately?
Maybe actually realize that she can’t promise something that’s outside of her own control? She’s the princess of hell and yet she does very little to govern her shitty kingdom. Her trying to make less worse than it is would’ve been a great compromise and would’ve been in character.
>He isn't a sex slave
He pretty much is. He’s forced into being a pornstar and having sex with whoever his boss wants him to have sex with forever. This is not comparable to Husk, some degenerate gambler who lost a bet and had to work at a fricking bar in a hotel.
>Well that could just be said to be a character convincing another character to their cause
Vaggie using talk no jutsu to completely change her outlook is a plot hole, especially considering that she rejected the premise of fighting the angels with an even larger fighting force prior. She’s an arms dealer and she didn’t even give a price or ask anything in return. She just gave them the weapons.
>He pretty much is.
I was talking about Husk.
My point still stands though. Them being victims of abuse is a false equivalence considering the abuse is very different.
>Charlie is outright told that none of the sinners are being let into heaven in the first episode but continues on as if nothing happened
Persistence isn't a plothole
>Carmella is against fighting the angels until Vaggie asks her for help
She tells Vaggie to convince her, Vaggie points out that the angels will come for her eventually if they don't stop them now, she's convinced. It's pretty straightforward.
>We’re supposed to find the song Losers powerful because it makes the false equivalence of a sex slave and a bartender both being losers
Husk is a loser for other reasons than being a bartender.
>Despite nobody knowing how to get into Heaven, everyone seems to know what NOT TO DO to get into Heaven
Stupid as frick take. I don't know how to build a rocket to the moon, but I do know plenty of things I wouldn't do if I was building one.
>The show conveniently avoids actually trying to get sinners to repent for what they did while they were alive
This only matters if you're a christgay projecting your religious obsession with repenting onto the show.
It isn’t about your past actions or repenting for them, it’s the content of your soul that determines if you are in heaven or hell. There are going to be gays in heaven, but they showed virtuous strength in some manner or fashion.
Sir Pentious went from being a paranoid, sniveling coward who desperately wanted acceptance, but eventually found himself with a reason to fight and friends who accepted him as he was with no strings attached. He sacrificed for them, showed altruism despite finally having everything he ever wanted.
Angel’s is going to be about his self-esteem and learning that he is worthy of caring and love for himself. He’s going to find that he doesn’t have to prostitute himself out for love and acceptance and can instead find comraderie and trust people who only want him to take care of himself.
I can see how you think that this might make sense thematically, it’s still a giant plothole. Particularly since the angels don't even know what actually sends someone to heaven vs. Hell, and you also have people like Carmilla in Hell. Nobody in human history tried to fight off an exorcist that was trying to kill their loved ones? Out of all the billions and billions of humans down there, Pentious is the first fricking one to do it and then die? Seems unlikely.
NTA but Pentious is the first one to die after actually redeeming himself. What qualified him as redeemed, we don't know yet. I'm sure other sinners have died defending others, but that just means that martyrdom isn't the only reason Pentious got into heaven.
He confirmed his straightness and self-sacrificed himself.
Next season, the hotel welcomes in its new guest.
>I have severe brainrot
So how is that working out for you
>Angels don't just leave a few weapons about
>They leave so much litter after an extermination that Camilla is able to arm an entire colony of cannibals
>Create a tridant
>repurpose a several into bullets and bombs
>And making a novety deck of angel throwing cards out of them
>"Uh, no one has been brave enough to try!"
The excuse given out is such damage controling bullshit, that I'm surprised they didn't just go the hand wavey route of just having Camilla reverse engineer Angel steel or some dumb shit like that.
This is actually pretty reasonable.
Angels and Demons both think Angels are untouchable, so Angels treat the extermination like Spring Break and probably just make a mess of things and leave weapons around.
Then any Hellion strong enough to collect Angel weapons is also super fricking caution and is holed up for extermination. If they treat the weapons as valuable, they're not out there fighting angels. Probably why Carm has so many, and why she got caught outside: every other powerful demon is off the field.
No you’re just a moron. Hell is full of insane murderers who kill each other every day that aren’t even overlord level. It’s just bad writing.
And in this and Helluva it's expressed that Overlords etc. can do whatever they want. Valentino can kill employees out of boredom. So any angel weapons get funneled to the people in power... just like every precious resource. Since most hell-denizens are constantly scrambling, they can't exactly stockpile shit.
Sheep farmers don't get to keep the oil on their land, that shit gets funneled up immediately. Hell is the UAE.
It's also like Camilla said: after she knew she could hurt angels, she wasn't rushing to do it because it would motivate them to come after her. So why would anyone who doesn't even think they can hurt angels intentionally try to fight them? Even if you survive, you're just going to get fricked the next extermination.
This might be giving too much credit, but it could also be why Alastor doesn't hold Adam off with an angel weapon. Adam flexed on him, but didn't go full force. If Alastor had an angel weapon, Adam might have just deleted him.
Alastor thought he could play Adam, and just keep him occupied til things resolved. Then ironically fricked with him too hard out of sadism, and got checked.
Except this all falls apart when she literally just gives a bunch of the weapons to Vaggie because she asked.
Vaggie could have been a great character if her hiding the fact that she’s an angel was used for something other than to cause cheap drama that’s resolved in an episode. She could’ve done a bunch of awful shit to keep her identity hidden and accomplish Charlie’s dream as a sort of ‘ends don’t justify the means’ lesson but no she has to be as bland and boring as possible.
Except she's a survivor, and shit was gonna hit the fan regardless. Vaggie has an angel weapon, and would have killed at least one angel... then everyone in hell would be in on the secret, and she'd be in a very bad position.
Not to mention her song expresses she knows she's on a ticking clock and is just trying to manage. She killed an angel, and that really pissed off Adam, and the princess of Hell knows her secret (which means Lucifer will.) Might as well join up on the slim chance you make it out.
Hell is filled with people with nothing to lose, which makes them insanely desperate. And nothing is more dangerous than a bastard with nothing to lose. It makes no sense that when faced with destruction no one would just pick up one of the nearest weapons off the ground and try to defend themselves. The exterminations have been going on for decades.
Like that other anon said, the people with nothing to lose have no power, so they'd just get slaughtered.
But the people with power are also interested in how Camilla killed an Angel(ie. Velvet/Vees/Alastor). So it's not just people at the bottom looking into this.
Yes, but they're operating under the "Angels will kill you in combat." Camilla spells out that no one tries the obvious option because it seems too dumb. Water is wet, and Angels don't block because you can't just kill an Angel.
The Vs had evidence of an Angel death, but would assume it's some complicated shit.
>Camilla spells out that no one tries the obvious option because it seems too dumb.
More like the characters are written to be too dumb to try it out. If a rock can't scratch a diamond, the only sensible logic is to try using a diamond instead.
Nah, I think there are plenty of plot holes in Hazbin, but this one works.
Hell is full of sinners. Sinners are either dumb/cowardly/weak or intelligent/self-serving. Neither of those have heroic moments.
Angel is pushed to heroism, and it shocks Heaven because they know Hell denizens are not capable of that. That's the entire point of the show. Angel was a hedonistic statistic til Charlie and the Hotel told him he could be more.
It's a show about RELIGION. Which is BELIEF. Hell BELIEVES they can't hurt angels. Then their belief is challenged... so they kill angels. Real simple.
...or nothing could hurt and kill Angels except for weapons using Angelic Metal? Thought that plot point was pretty well spelt out.
We're on the same page. They didn't try using angel weapons because they believed nothing would work.
>Sinners apparently
Yeah. That's literally humanity except for extremely rare people. And then its only by accident.
Facebook has helped rebel groups coordinate, but the main people profiting are opportunistic and just using sheep for money. The internet and social media is already advanced enough to usher in a golden age, but no one is doing it. If they want that, they're not opportunistic enough to make it happen... and if they're opportunistic enough, they just want benefit to themselves.
This show isn't even that level of complex, it's just a base level appraisal of humanity.
You are going to overdose on copium anon, stop trying to justify what is clearly a very stupid plot hole
Hazbin works on Simpsons logic.
This is still some moronic cope, it's completely moronic that nobody was crazy or brave enough to EVER try to use their own shit agaisnt them, and Hell sure as frick should have plenty of that reckless people
This is a dumb take. Only the most deranged homeless attack people, and they don't well generally. The hellions who have nothing to lose are also the weakest, so an exterminator would just obliterate them regardless of if they picked up a weapon.
This is before considering that Hell is disproportionately filled with the cowardly and opportunistic.
>deranged
I'm sure there's no shortage of those types down in Hell. If people like Cherri and Penti who despite not being overlords, can go around causing havoc, I see no reason why no one else wouldn't at least pick up one of the numerous fricking spears laying on the ground just to try it out. Again, what is there to lose?
Most demons probably just leave when the extermination is about to happen since they have time to prepare, only sinners are left to fend for themselves. And the powerful sinners that can take the chances and experiment like overlords have no advantage in taking the chances since even if they kill an angel it will only make them even bigger targets.
Carmilla stayed because she cared for her people, was an overlord specialized in weaponry, had collected the angel weapons due to her job and was highly motivated to fight. Angels could have suspected since there was some infighting, but they couldn't know if the weapons only hurt angels if held by other angels, and they seem generally clueless about things (like who gets to heaven and how).
I didn't watch it yet, did Snakeboy win?
Yes he commands their army during the siege, kisses cherri bomb, then gets in his warship to kill Adam, but Adam decimates him and his whole warship with one blast. Later, he's shown arriving in Heaven, to an upset sera and a joyous Emiliy.
The pacing was worse than legend of Korra.
I wanted Alastor to be badly injured and Season 2 started with one of the plots of EP1 being that the Hotel crew had to kindly nurse a virtually defenceless Alastor back to health, While the V.V.V.'s go around causing mayhem.
He already went away for 7 years and you want him to be useless for even LONGER?
Yeah, this sucks unless its Alastor intentionally manipulating. The first time a character jokingly spoils Alastor's plotting we go Marvel tier.
Overlords think Cherri and Penti are amusing, because they don't upset their interests. Its why Valentino gives so much of a shit about Angel, because Angel effects his interests, despite power.
A weak hellion picks up a spear. Either
1. He gets fricked in combat by an Angel because he's weak
2. He sells the weapon to an overlord in the hope of favor.
The extermination is seen like a natural event. When there's a tornado, the toughest guy goes inside. Even Lucifer considers it something inevitable.
>A weak hellion picks up a spear. Either
Anon, episode 7 had Charlie and gang weaponizing a bunch of Victorian cosplaying cannibals with spears to go out and fight Angels. Maybe if they go up against Lute or Adam they'd get trashed, but something tells me the average Angel is garbage at fighting or at least equal to the average denizen of Hell.
They only stood a chance because they received training on killing an angel after it happened, they had some of the most powerful people in hell helping, and they were armed to the teeth. You think of one of them had just picked up a spear and charged an angel on their own during a routine extermination, they'd have survived? No way.
They received less than a month worth of training. Camilla was a ballerina, killed one, and acted like she was an expert on killing them. The average Angel is probably not that strong with anyone who's use to fighting.
Now that I'm thinking about it, there was some scripts leaked where the Angels talked specifically about this sort of thing. About making sure to not let your guard down or else a demon could grab hold of your weapon and kill you. Why did that get cut out? Or is that going to be a season 2 thing?
There needs to be a flashback scene where a demon tries it, and gets back-stabbed by another demon so they can sell the weapon. No one works together unless forced to or it's mutually beneficial. Angel and Cherri and the Vs only work together because they both want chaos and control.
Would Charlie treat Alastor's wounds and gently run her fingers along his torso scars, wondering what happened to him?
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