I mean, I have a few ideas. I don't know anything about animation, but I want to learn and make a good work. >watch the movies you like the most and take notes why you like them >learn to animate basic things, even a ball >once you're good enough share your work >meet other animators and collaborate with them >get industry experience >pitch your ideas with a good portfolio to an studio or company
I have the ideas, but I want to refine the details.
Industrygay here. Companies, leading ones especially don't buy "ideas". They buy scripts and pitch documents from good agents. You can have the greatest idea in the world anon, but you don't have the goods you're fricked and you're like 99% of the people trying to get their foot in the door.
If you have an idea, work on refining it into something that can be profitable and unique. Learn to write and market yourself, because you're not going to get anywhere without those skills.
But tons of Industry people came here and picked up/workshopped ideas? You're not distinguishing beliefs from ideas, beliefs are what you're supposed to not pick up to fit in.
Holy shit this
fpbp
Despite being made to discuss them, Cinemaphile doesn't really know shit about what goes into making comics or cartoons. Cinemaphile is only good for subtly shilling your finished product to see the most brutally honest opinions on it.
Nono, that is when you want to be hired by a big animation cooperation. But if you want to save the industry, you absolutely need to listen to Cinemaphile.
I'd make a show that worships gun violence and each episode ends with a short PSA by Tucker Carlson.
It's about dystopian world where California has swallowed the entirety of America and antifa thugs roam around beating up the homeless and only answer to rich oligarchs.
Most of them end up getting killed, but some of them are good at heart and learn gun violence is actually based.
and I'll only hire hentai artists as character designers
>Support strike >Support the most unreasonable demands >Studios lose money daily as the impasse lasts an entire year >Spooked investors pull money from the entire segment >Current writers starve themselves to death >Unions dissolve >Americans break free from the habit of consuming brainwashing in the form of "modern audience" entertainment >A new industry rises from the ashes of the old guard, investment activism, unions, and west coast regressive culture.
Support the strike.
If you have to ask, you're never gonna know.
The answer is lower the barrier to entry and raise the standards of quality at the same time, which on the face of it is a contradictory pair of tasks
>Step #1
Don't be a female millennial who grew up in North America (continent) since they responsible for most of the garbage you see on TV. >Step #2
Learn the fundamentals of writing + story telling, I cannot stress this enough. People mostly complain about beanmouth character designs on modern American cartoons but they don't talk much about the mundane and mediocre stories/plots on most new
cartoons. Getting inspired by other works helps too, just don't blatantly rip them off of course. >Step #2.5
Be original. >Step #3
Learn how to fricking draw, develop a unique style. Have your character designs stand out and have them not look like inoffensive "calarts" blobs with tubes for limbs. UNLESS that's what you're going for, but I would recommend you have a cartoon with different character designs that didn't plague 2010s animation. >Step #4
This will anger some gays and I do not care, but for the love of god don't make it woke. Don't make LGBT shit the center of attention, no "my personal pronouns are they/them" bullshit either unless it's like a joke or something i.e. "my pronouns are attack/helicopter".
Now I'm NOT saying don't have gay/lesbian/bi characters, that's up to you. But on most cartoons that's like the center of attention almost, they have to hammer in your head that X character is gay or whatever. I've notice that the personal pronoun bullshit is starting to pop up more frequently in children's cartoons, which is disgusting. >Step #5
This is a risky step. Go on heists and rob several banks, because motherfricker, you're gonna need a lot of money to produce your shit. Animation, BG artists and V/As ain't cheap, homie.
TL;DR - don't be a 30-something woman, learn story telling + writing, learn to draw and animate good, be original, keep woke shit to a minimum or none at all, have the finances.
>unless it's like a joke or something i.e. "my pronouns are attack/helicopter".
Ehh, these days anti-woke can be as exhausting as woke. It's still diehard obnoxious purity-testing preaching, it's just in the opposite direction. Where it's structured like a joke but it's not really a joke, what makes the audience laugh is thinking "hey I agree with that/know what this is talking about!" like when comedians just say a statement and get clapped. I'm also not sure why you thought anyone here would get angry at the concept of not injecting homosexualry into cartoons, Cinemaphile never stops complaining about having to see dindus and female protagonists in their cartoons.
The main takeaway is, unless you're tackling social issues, don't put social issues in your work. You could've done it without causing much eye-rolling a decade ago, but these days, who hasn't got fatigue of having those same issues constantly shoved in our faces? It's like how a new Mario game is coming out that looks really stylized and fun, but all Cinemaphile can talk about is "troony COLORS" just because they used pink and blue in the title, not even the troon shade of pink and blue either.
>but all Cinemaphile can talk about is "troony COLORS" just because they used pink and blue in the title, not even the troon shade of pink and blue either.
Man, that /misc/-tier brainrot must have gotten to them. God forbid there be a Miami Vice game and these losers lose their shit over the title card, unless they aren't election or covid election tourists.
The problem is people obsess over this shit in mainstream cartoons, instead of trying to promote passion driven independent works from unknown artists to get discovered. They waste so much energy whining and crying, and inadvertently, promoting these soulless mainstream stuff.
There is positive change out there and many are pushing for it, but their voices are never heard because people would rather screech about politics in stuff they hate, rather than discovering new stuff and promoting something they like. Being a crybaby about the trans flag appearing in an episode accomplishes absolutely nothing.
>People mostly complain about beanmouth character designs on modern American cartoons but they don't talk much about the mundane and mediocre stories/plots on most new
Fricking this. I liked the designs and characters for molly McGee a lot but the plots and jokes made me drop it
boycott the producers union and offer to pay the artists residuals instead. flip their script, you will become a legend because there are 100x as many skilled artists as there are skilled producers.
Simply make something that gets unignorably popular, to the point where the bigger studios have no choice but to copy your work. Like how the new TMNT movie is stealing the Spiderverse animation style, but actually make it good animation.
You can't save anything because you don't even understand what you're saving it from. So odds are you'd just end up replacing obnoxious preachy bullshit with obnoxious preachy bullshit in the other direction and count that as a win when the real solution was to just shut the frick up.
>just do your own thing >support the indies! >stop complaining about the current state of things
These kind of advice comes from someone who actually hasn't worked in the industry.
You need to divorce the medium from corporate IP holding firms. Right now, american media (an animation in particular) exists only to be designed from the top down as a product to sell, something that exists for the profit of the company that owns it and serves no other purpose. This is why so much media is shit these days, because nothing gets made unless it appeals to one of the same three rooms full of suits that all only care about the buzzwords that some focus group says will turn into profits for them. Everything has to fit the same mold, and the same sort of people are calling all the shots so their ideas of 'success' infect everything, even when they are wildly out of line with what audiences want to see.
If you want to save western animation, you need to offer an alternative model. One where the animation studio does the work and produces the show, but doesn't *own* the IP. They get paid to make the product and they get some royalties from it, but once its done it is out of their hands. In doing so, you both open up the animation medium to anyone who is willing and able to contract the studio, AND you remove the incentive for the animation studio to hold onto and push the same IP again and again because the studio doesn't own anything.
WB makes DC cartoons not because it thinks those cartoons are good, not because it wants to tell good stories, and not even because there is a demand for DC cartoons that justifies that production. WB makes DC cartoons because WB has the rights to make DC cartoons, and any time they are NOT using those rights they paid for they consider those rights to being going to waste. THAT is the mentality that needs to be killed to save the industry, otherwise you will continue to get mass produced garbage that exists to fill out a spreadsheet in a quarterly return.
I just want to let everybody in this thread know that Cinemaphile literally has active animation/comic collaboration projects going on right and and you are literally free to join them as you wish as long as you're not a homosexual.
Nah, they'd rather cry about politics in shitty corporate-manufactured shows, instead of trying to help change things. It's just easier and more trendy to b***h at low hanging fruit than actually doing anything constructive.
And before you call me a hypocrite, I'm investing my own money into my pilot, which is purely passion driven. I can't say for certain if it'll change anything or not, but I can say that I'm trying.
Anon, the complaining part is the reason why we're so motivated in the first place. It's practically the reason for it all. I'd rather not have Cinemaphile undergo a self-fulfilling prophecy of turning into /comblr/ while I still avidly call this place my homeboard for more than a decade.
I should've been more clear. If the complaining motivates you to try to make change, then that's absolutely fine.
But if you're just sitting here crying about shitty cartoons and politics and making no attempt to address the problem, then kindly shut the frick up. Because everything you have to say is something that's been said a million fricking times, and those millions of other times changed absolutely nothing. The problems are pretty clear at this point.
If you're going to say something like "I have no money or talent", then learn how a production pipeline works and educate yourself on parts of the process, practice, then join a team with a project that sounds interesting that's recruiting for that role.
1. Don't listen to anything Cinemaphile suggests
That's it really
Make good hand drawn animation
I mean, I have a few ideas. I don't know anything about animation, but I want to learn and make a good work.
>watch the movies you like the most and take notes why you like them
>learn to animate basic things, even a ball
>once you're good enough share your work
>meet other animators and collaborate with them
>get industry experience
>pitch your ideas with a good portfolio to an studio or company
I have the ideas, but I want to refine the details.
Start by stop procrastinating on Cinemaphile and start drawing.
There, that's literally it. You already knew the steps now actually put the work in to take them.
Industrygay here. Companies, leading ones especially don't buy "ideas". They buy scripts and pitch documents from good agents. You can have the greatest idea in the world anon, but you don't have the goods you're fricked and you're like 99% of the people trying to get their foot in the door.
If you have an idea, work on refining it into something that can be profitable and unique. Learn to write and market yourself, because you're not going to get anywhere without those skills.
But tons of Industry people came here and picked up/workshopped ideas? You're not distinguishing beliefs from ideas, beliefs are what you're supposed to not pick up to fit in.
Holy shit this
fpbp
Despite being made to discuss them, Cinemaphile doesn't really know shit about what goes into making comics or cartoons. Cinemaphile is only good for subtly shilling your finished product to see the most brutally honest opinions on it.
But I thought I could trust Cinemaphile on Isom.
Nono, that is when you want to be hired by a big animation cooperation. But if you want to save the industry, you absolutely need to listen to Cinemaphile.
have billions to spend
> learn to draw well
> draw good concept art
> make a storyboard
The staff will do the rest
Hope AI improves so you can make something without involving a studio or other people. Everything is made worse by "design by committee" bullshit.
Everything is made worse by AI
Get rich. Hire talented people who have any tangential connection to Spumco, Genndy, or SpongeBob. Let them pitch projects. Fund the best one.
Do the opposite of what the big animation studios do. That's it.
I'd make a show that worships gun violence and each episode ends with a short PSA by Tucker Carlson.
It's about dystopian world where California has swallowed the entirety of America and antifa thugs roam around beating up the homeless and only answer to rich oligarchs.
Most of them end up getting killed, but some of them are good at heart and learn gun violence is actually based.
and I'll only hire hentai artists as character designers
GI Joe?
I guess, but the villain is more like Angry Joe's version of Cobra?
Feels very Team America: World Police.
Sounds like shit ngl
>t. antifa
This is like every 80s vigilante cartoon/movie.
Such as?
I would actually watch it, feels like an 90s Italian film trying to do what Americans did in the 80s
Support the current strike
Pfft no one needs Hollywood writers they can die for all i care, there’s plenty of media from other countries to watch
>Support strike
>Support the most unreasonable demands
>Studios lose money daily as the impasse lasts an entire year
>Spooked investors pull money from the entire segment
>Current writers starve themselves to death
>Unions dissolve
>Americans break free from the habit of consuming brainwashing in the form of "modern audience" entertainment
>A new industry rises from the ashes of the old guard, investment activism, unions, and west coast regressive culture.
Support the strike.
Make it all indistinguishable from Anime, cartoons MUST DIE.
>implying deedee and Angelica aren’t cute and don’t have more fun/interesting personality’s than the bottom girls
Stylized low framerate cgi and a LOT of panic attacks
your pic confuses me, do you mean Western cartoons or western cartoons?
both
If you have to ask, you're never gonna know.
The answer is lower the barrier to entry and raise the standards of quality at the same time, which on the face of it is a contradictory pair of tasks
>Step #1
Don't be a female millennial who grew up in North America (continent) since they responsible for most of the garbage you see on TV.
>Step #2
Learn the fundamentals of writing + story telling, I cannot stress this enough. People mostly complain about beanmouth character designs on modern American cartoons but they don't talk much about the mundane and mediocre stories/plots on most new
cartoons. Getting inspired by other works helps too, just don't blatantly rip them off of course.
>Step #2.5
Be original.
>Step #3
Learn how to fricking draw, develop a unique style. Have your character designs stand out and have them not look like inoffensive "calarts" blobs with tubes for limbs. UNLESS that's what you're going for, but I would recommend you have a cartoon with different character designs that didn't plague 2010s animation.
>Step #4
This will anger some gays and I do not care, but for the love of god don't make it woke. Don't make LGBT shit the center of attention, no "my personal pronouns are they/them" bullshit either unless it's like a joke or something i.e. "my pronouns are attack/helicopter".
Now I'm NOT saying don't have gay/lesbian/bi characters, that's up to you. But on most cartoons that's like the center of attention almost, they have to hammer in your head that X character is gay or whatever. I've notice that the personal pronoun bullshit is starting to pop up more frequently in children's cartoons, which is disgusting.
>Step #5
This is a risky step. Go on heists and rob several banks, because motherfricker, you're gonna need a lot of money to produce your shit. Animation, BG artists and V/As ain't cheap, homie.
TL;DR - don't be a 30-something woman, learn story telling + writing, learn to draw and animate good, be original, keep woke shit to a minimum or none at all, have the finances.
>develop a unique style.
Regarding this. It shouldn't be something extremely detailed since something like that is really hard to animated.
That's the unfortunate truth really. Alternatively there's CG or tweens if you wanna keep it 2D.
CG or tweens?
Utilizing 3d model assets but doing extra work to make it 2d
>unless it's like a joke or something i.e. "my pronouns are attack/helicopter".
Ehh, these days anti-woke can be as exhausting as woke. It's still diehard obnoxious purity-testing preaching, it's just in the opposite direction. Where it's structured like a joke but it's not really a joke, what makes the audience laugh is thinking "hey I agree with that/know what this is talking about!" like when comedians just say a statement and get clapped. I'm also not sure why you thought anyone here would get angry at the concept of not injecting homosexualry into cartoons, Cinemaphile never stops complaining about having to see dindus and female protagonists in their cartoons.
The main takeaway is, unless you're tackling social issues, don't put social issues in your work. You could've done it without causing much eye-rolling a decade ago, but these days, who hasn't got fatigue of having those same issues constantly shoved in our faces? It's like how a new Mario game is coming out that looks really stylized and fun, but all Cinemaphile can talk about is "troony COLORS" just because they used pink and blue in the title, not even the troon shade of pink and blue either.
>but all Cinemaphile can talk about is "troony COLORS" just because they used pink and blue in the title, not even the troon shade of pink and blue either.
Man, that /misc/-tier brainrot must have gotten to them. God forbid there be a Miami Vice game and these losers lose their shit over the title card, unless they aren't election or covid election tourists.
The problem is people obsess over this shit in mainstream cartoons, instead of trying to promote passion driven independent works from unknown artists to get discovered. They waste so much energy whining and crying, and inadvertently, promoting these soulless mainstream stuff.
There is positive change out there and many are pushing for it, but their voices are never heard because people would rather screech about politics in stuff they hate, rather than discovering new stuff and promoting something they like. Being a crybaby about the trans flag appearing in an episode accomplishes absolutely nothing.
Parents that care about their kid's education are just doing their job, even if they disagree with your politics.
what is this brainrot response
leave the kids alone
>People mostly complain about beanmouth character designs on modern American cartoons but they don't talk much about the mundane and mediocre stories/plots on most new
Fricking this. I liked the designs and characters for molly McGee a lot but the plots and jokes made me drop it
>>Step #1
If I fail step one already is there hope I won't fail the rest?
There's hope. Just be unlike the others.
You forgot
>Step #6
Develop strong work ethic and methods to keep your production efficient and regular
first of all,start by identifying yourself as a black lesbian woman
boycott the producers union and offer to pay the artists residuals instead. flip their script, you will become a legend because there are 100x as many skilled artists as there are skilled producers.
Simply make something that gets unignorably popular, to the point where the bigger studios have no choice but to copy your work. Like how the new TMNT movie is stealing the Spiderverse animation style, but actually make it good animation.
You can't save anything because you don't even understand what you're saving it from. So odds are you'd just end up replacing obnoxious preachy bullshit with obnoxious preachy bullshit in the other direction and count that as a win when the real solution was to just shut the frick up.
Can you repeat what you just said in English?
Get smarter, phone poster.
I'm using a PC.
Make the kind of cartoon that you want and give zero fricks if it's trendy or not.
Kys
But the current self, not the past or future self
Actually promote underrated and indie works, instead of crying about whatever drek Disney or Nick is putting out for the millionth fricking time.
Finance your own because all this noodle-armed sameface shit is done because it's cheap and inoffensive.
That's exactly what I'm doing, making my very own pilot with my own money. Should be out next year.
With what money?
>just do your own thing
>support the indies!
>stop complaining about the current state of things
These kind of advice comes from someone who actually hasn't worked in the industry.
Multiple indie projects are in the works from people who used to be in the industry, trying to do something different.
Make it more like eastern animation.
People do whatever the frick they want and what sticks, sticks? Sounds good to me.
Okay.
I meant that sincerely.
You need to divorce the medium from corporate IP holding firms. Right now, american media (an animation in particular) exists only to be designed from the top down as a product to sell, something that exists for the profit of the company that owns it and serves no other purpose. This is why so much media is shit these days, because nothing gets made unless it appeals to one of the same three rooms full of suits that all only care about the buzzwords that some focus group says will turn into profits for them. Everything has to fit the same mold, and the same sort of people are calling all the shots so their ideas of 'success' infect everything, even when they are wildly out of line with what audiences want to see.
If you want to save western animation, you need to offer an alternative model. One where the animation studio does the work and produces the show, but doesn't *own* the IP. They get paid to make the product and they get some royalties from it, but once its done it is out of their hands. In doing so, you both open up the animation medium to anyone who is willing and able to contract the studio, AND you remove the incentive for the animation studio to hold onto and push the same IP again and again because the studio doesn't own anything.
WB makes DC cartoons not because it thinks those cartoons are good, not because it wants to tell good stories, and not even because there is a demand for DC cartoons that justifies that production. WB makes DC cartoons because WB has the rights to make DC cartoons, and any time they are NOT using those rights they paid for they consider those rights to being going to waste. THAT is the mentality that needs to be killed to save the industry, otherwise you will continue to get mass produced garbage that exists to fill out a spreadsheet in a quarterly return.
Git Gud
How much git gud?
Nice pic
I just want to let everybody in this thread know that Cinemaphile literally has active animation/comic collaboration projects going on right and and you are literally free to join them as you wish as long as you're not a homosexual.
Nah, they'd rather cry about politics in shitty corporate-manufactured shows, instead of trying to help change things. It's just easier and more trendy to b***h at low hanging fruit than actually doing anything constructive.
And before you call me a hypocrite, I'm investing my own money into my pilot, which is purely passion driven. I can't say for certain if it'll change anything or not, but I can say that I'm trying.
Anon, the complaining part is the reason why we're so motivated in the first place. It's practically the reason for it all. I'd rather not have Cinemaphile undergo a self-fulfilling prophecy of turning into /comblr/ while I still avidly call this place my homeboard for more than a decade.
I should've been more clear. If the complaining motivates you to try to make change, then that's absolutely fine.
But if you're just sitting here crying about shitty cartoons and politics and making no attempt to address the problem, then kindly shut the frick up. Because everything you have to say is something that's been said a million fricking times, and those millions of other times changed absolutely nothing. The problems are pretty clear at this point.
If you're going to say something like "I have no money or talent", then learn how a production pipeline works and educate yourself on parts of the process, practice, then join a team with a project that sounds interesting that's recruiting for that role.
make something you are passionate about anon. even if i don't like it, if i tell you tried as hard as you could, i'll think it's still kino
Loomis